From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Tue Dec 11 15:33:33 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (postfix@trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA24387 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:33:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id C772D9124D; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:33:05 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id 8F2FD91266; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:33:05 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8503D9124D for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:33:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id 608F75DD8F; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:33:04 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from ws2.piuha.net (ws2.piuha.net [195.165.196.2]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D9495DD8D for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:33:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from kolumbus.fi (ws4.piuha.net [195.165.196.4]) by ws2.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1C26A905; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:33:02 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3C166D87.6030607@kolumbus.fi> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:33:11 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.5) Gecko/20011014 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pat Calhoun , jaakko.rajaniemi@nokia.com Cc: aaa-wg@merit.edu Subject: [AAA-WG]: Issue 241 and the accounting state table Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In reading the issue 241, we have noticed that the accounting state machine in section 8.2 doesn't contain the event record processing. Here's a proposed fix, three new entries to the state table. Note that I have chosen to keep similar behaviour to START record handling in that the service isn't given until the accounting answer is received. (Question: is this wait really necessary, or even possible? It seems to prevent non-real-time accounting.) State Event Action New State ------------------------------------------------------------- Idle Client or device requests send Pending a one-time service accounting event req Idle Accounting event request send Idle received, and successfully accounting processed. event answer Pending Successful accounting grant Idle event answer received service Jari From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Wed Dec 12 18:59:56 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (postfix@trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA21837 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:59:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id 8532B91299; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:59:44 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id 17F4E9129A; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:59:44 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B60791299 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:59:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id 063775DDD1; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:59:43 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from internaut.com (unknown [64.38.134.99]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B805DDAD for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:59:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30772 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:47:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aboba@internaut.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:47:11 -0800 (PST) From: Bernard Aboba To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Subject: [AAA-WG]: Slides from IETF 52 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk If you have slides from your IETF 52 presentatiuons, please send them to me or Dave. From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Thu Dec 20 07:12:12 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (postfix@trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA06194 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:12:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id BE2E391212; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:11:55 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id 8E22F9121F; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:11:55 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719A491212 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:11:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id 47EB75DD99; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:11:54 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from mgw-x2.nokia.com (mgw-x2.nokia.com [131.228.20.22]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276645DD8D for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from esvir03nok.nokia.com (esvir03nokt.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.35]) by mgw-x2.nokia.com (Switch-2.1.0/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id fBKCAb924335 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:10:38 +0200 (EET) Received: from esebh24nok.ntc.nokia.com (unverified) by esvir03nok.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:10:37 +0200 Received: by esebh24nok with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) id ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:10:36 +0200 Message-ID: <84230E60BFCF6B4FB0360BAE4C9B3EB526EB56@esebe013.NOE.Nokia.com> From: jaakko.rajaniemi@nokia.com To: jari.arkko@kolumbus.fi, pcalhoun@diameter.org Cc: aaa-wg@merit.edu Subject: RE: [AAA-WG]: Issue 241 and the accounting state table Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:10:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk State Event Action New State ------------------------------------------------------------- Idle Client or device requests send Pending a measurable length service accounting start req. State Event Action New State ------------------------------------------------------------- Open Home server wants to send ASR Discon terminate the measurable length service Open ASR Received send ASA, Discon STR Open STR Received Send STA Idle Discon ASA Received Cleanup Idle Discon STR Received Send STA Idle > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Jari Arkko [mailto:jari.arkko@kolumbus.fi] > Sent: 11 December, 2001 22:33 > To: Pat Calhoun; Rajaniemi Jaakko (NET/Espoo) > Cc: aaa-wg@merit.edu > Subject: [AAA-WG]: Issue 241 and the accounting state table > > > > In reading the issue 241, we have noticed that the accounting > state machine > in section 8.2 doesn't contain the event record processing. > Here's a proposed > fix, three new entries to the state table. Note that I have chosen to > keep similar behaviour to START record handling in that the > service isn't > given until the accounting answer is received. > > (Question: is this wait really necessary, or even possible? > It seems to > prevent non-real-time accounting.) > > > State Event Action New State > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Idle Client or device requests send Pending > a one-time service accounting > event req > > Idle Accounting event request send Idle > received, and successfully accounting > processed. event > answer > > Pending Successful accounting grant Idle > event answer received service > > Jari > > > From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Thu Dec 20 08:25:49 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (postfix@trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA06949 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id 3DFAD91263; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:25:27 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id 0DC0D91264; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:25:26 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF74191263 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:25:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id B43105DE4D; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:25:25 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from mgw-x1.nokia.com (mgw-x1.nokia.com [131.228.20.21]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32955DE4C for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from esvir01nok.ntc.nokia.com (esvir01nokt.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.33]) by mgw-x1.nokia.com (Switch-2.1.0/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id fBKDOHC21028 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:24:17 +0200 (EET) Received: from esebh24nok.ntc.nokia.com (unverified) by esvir01nok.ntc.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:24:17 +0200 Received: by esebh24nok with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) id ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:24:17 +0200 Message-ID: <84230E60BFCF6B4FB0360BAE4C9B3EB526EB5F@esebe013.NOE.Nokia.com> From: jaakko.rajaniemi@nokia.com To: jari.arkko@kolumbus.fi, pcalhoun@diameter.org Cc: aaa-wg@merit.edu Subject: RE: [AAA-WG]: Issue 241 and the accounting state table Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:24:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk Hello, (This may be the second time you receive this mail because in the first time the mail went off too early.) Also related to the issue 241 and partly related to Jari's proposal, in order to differentiate the event records from the measurable length service in the state machine in the section 8.2, a text "measurable length" could be added when it describes processing of the start/interim/stop records: State Event Action New State ------------------------------------------------------------- Idle Client or device requests send Pending a measurable length service accounting start req. Open The measurable length user send Discon service terminated accounting stop req. The server originated accounting session abortion is missing from the state machine. It is not clear whether this is missing on purpose. However, I think that this possibility should be allowed therefore following entries should be added: State Event Action New State ------------------------------------------------------------- Open Home server wants to send ASR Discon terminate the measurable length service Open ASR Received send ASA, Discon STR Discon ASA Received Cleanup Idle Discon STR Received Send STA Idle I think that the last entry (Discon STR Received), which is copied directly from the section 8.1 Authorization Session State Machine, tries to describe the server behavior when it receives the STR after it has received the ASA. However, the server is already in the idle state or in the cleanup process when it receives the STR and therefore it is not exactly correct entry. However, this approach was copied to the my proposal. Best Regards, Jaakko > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Jari Arkko [mailto:jari.arkko@kolumbus.fi] > Sent: 11 December, 2001 22:33 > To: Pat Calhoun; Rajaniemi Jaakko (NET/Espoo) > Cc: aaa-wg@merit.edu > Subject: [AAA-WG]: Issue 241 and the accounting state table > > > > In reading the issue 241, we have noticed that the accounting > state machine > in section 8.2 doesn't contain the event record processing. > Here's a proposed > fix, three new entries to the state table. Note that I have chosen to > keep similar behaviour to START record handling in that the > service isn't > given until the accounting answer is received. > > (Question: is this wait really necessary, or even possible? > It seems to > prevent non-real-time accounting.) > > > State Event Action New State > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Idle Client or device requests send Pending > a one-time service accounting > event req > > Idle Accounting event request send Idle > received, and successfully accounting > processed. event > answer > > Pending Successful accounting grant Idle > event answer received service > > Jari > > > From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Thu Dec 20 13:14:17 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (postfix@trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA15259 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:14:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id 6BB0391266; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:13:54 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id 376E891267; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:13:54 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A0791266 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:13:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id 179545DE29; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:13:53 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from frascone.com (adsl-66-137-237-97.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net [66.137.237.97]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id C409B5DE0E for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:13:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27246 invoked by uid 507); 20 Dec 2001 18:13:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:13:48 -0600 From: David Frascone To: diameter@frascone.com, aaa-wg@merit.edu Subject: [AAA-WG]: Connectathon Interest? Message-ID: <20011220121348.F1449@newman.frascone.com> Mail-Followup-To: diameter@frascone.com, aaa-wg@merit.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-encrypt-payload: no X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk Ok, sorry again for the cross post, but I think this question is relevant to both lists. Does *anyone* have a Diameter implementation that they would like to bring to Connectathon (http://www.connectathon.org)? I'm trying to get a head count to see if anyone is planning on attending. If there is no interest, there will not be any space/resources allocated for Diameter testing. Please let me know as soon as possible! Happy Holidays, Dave From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Fri Dec 21 18:43:11 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (postfix@trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA04138 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:43:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id 3724C91207; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:43:01 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id 0723991290; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:43:00 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0901E91207 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id D53A55DE02; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:42:59 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from internaut.com (unknown [64.38.134.99]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DECF5DDE9 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA46740 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:29:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aboba@internaut.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:29:44 -0800 (PST) From: Bernard Aboba To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Subject: [AAA-WG]: Request for slides Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk If you presented slides at the IETF 52 AAA WG meeting, please submit them to me or Dave. Thanks! From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Fri Dec 21 18:44:44 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (postfix@trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA04165 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:44:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id 83DF491290; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:44:31 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id 5995C91291; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:44:31 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701F691290 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:44:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id 555015DDA0; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:44:30 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from internaut.com (unknown [64.38.134.99]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8471A5DDBA for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:44:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA46751 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:31:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aboba@internaut.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:31:14 -0800 (PST) From: Bernard Aboba To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Subject: [AAA-WG]: Status on Diameter.org? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk Any update on when Diameter.org will be back online? Until it gets back online, would it make sense to rehost the issues list somewhere else? I have space on my website for it, if that would help. From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Fri Dec 21 18:53:20 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (postfix@trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA04431 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:53:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id ED1AC91292; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:53:05 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id B8C3491293; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:53:05 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E4AE91292 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id 750EE5DDBF; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:53:04 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from internaut.com (unknown [64.38.134.99]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E84D5DDA0 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:53:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA46774 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:39:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aboba@internaut.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:39:48 -0800 (PST) From: Bernard Aboba To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Subject: [AAA-WG]: AAA WG last call on draft-ietf-aaa-transport-05.txt Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk This is an announcement of AAA WG last call on: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-aaa-transport-05.txt This draft is a Standards Track document. Please send comments on this document to the AAA WG mailing list, on or before January 15, 2002. As with other AAA WG documents, issues are to be submitted using the following template: Issue Number: Get_An_Issue_Number_From_Pat Description of issue: Submitter name: Your_Name_Here Date first submitted: Insert_Date_Here Reference: URL to e-mail describing problem, if available Document: Document Requiring change [base, nasreq, mobileip, cms, transport] Comment type: ['T'echnical | 'E'ditorial ] Priority: ['S' Must fix | '1' Should fix | '2' May fix ] Section: Insert_Section_Number_Here Rationale/Explanation of issues: Description_of_Problem_Goes_Here Requested change: Proposal_Goes_Here_With_Specific_Text From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Fri Dec 21 18:54:49 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (postfix@trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA04476 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:54:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id 33B2291294; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:54:35 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id EF75B91295; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:54:34 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 058DF91294 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:54:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id E31EA5DDBF; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:54:23 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from internaut.com (unknown [64.38.134.99]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1814C5DDA0 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:54:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA46789 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:41:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aboba@internaut.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:41:03 -0800 (PST) From: Bernard Aboba To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Subject: [AAA-WG]: AAA WG last call on draft-ietf-aaa-diameter-08.txt Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk This is an announcement of AAA WG last call on: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-aaa-diameter-08.txt This draft is a Standards Track document. Please send comments on this document to the AAA WG mailing list, on or before January 15, 2002. As with other AAA WG documents, issues are to be submitted using the following template: Issue Number: Get_An_Issue_Number_From_Pat Description of issue: Submitter name: Your_Name_Here Date first submitted: Insert_Date_Here Reference: URL to e-mail describing problem, if available Document: Document Requiring change [base, nasreq, mobileip, cms, transport] Comment type: ['T'echnical | 'E'ditorial ] Priority: ['S' Must fix | '1' Should fix | '2' May fix ] Section: Insert_Section_Number_Here Rationale/Explanation of issues: Description_of_Problem_Goes_Here Requested change: Proposal_Goes_Here_With_Specific_Text From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Fri Dec 21 18:56:21 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA04516 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:56:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id F064C91297; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:55:50 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id BC0B59129B; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:55:49 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4670491297 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:55:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id 343CD5DE1F; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:55:28 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from internaut.com (unknown [64.38.134.99]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB5135DE09 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:55:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA46797 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:41:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aboba@internaut.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:41:58 -0800 (PST) From: Bernard Aboba To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Subject: [AAA-WG]: AAA WG last call on draft-ietf-aaa-diameter-nasreq-08.txt Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk This is an announcement of AAA WG last call on: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-aaa-diameter-nasreq-08.txt This draft is a Standards Track document. Please send comments on this document to the AAA WG mailing list, on or before January 15, 2002. As with other AAA WG documents, issues are to be submitted using the following template: Issue Number: Get_An_Issue_Number_From_Pat Description of issue: Submitter name: Your_Name_Here Date first submitted: Insert_Date_Here Reference: URL to e-mail describing problem, if available Document: Document Requiring change [base, nasreq, mobileip, cms, transport] Comment type: ['T'echnical | 'E'ditorial ] Priority: ['S' Must fix | '1' Should fix | '2' May fix ] Section: Insert_Section_Number_Here Rationale/Explanation of issues: Description_of_Problem_Goes_Here Requested change: Proposal_Goes_Here_With_Specific_Text From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Fri Dec 21 18:56:57 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA04540 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:56:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id 4A7DA9129A; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:56:25 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id 52BE09129B; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:56:21 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B3891298 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:56:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id BA2EA5DDDC; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:56:18 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from internaut.com (unknown [64.38.134.99]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BCF75DDEB for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:56:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA46804 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:42:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aboba@internaut.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:42:44 -0800 (PST) From: Bernard Aboba To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Subject: [AAA-WG]: AAA WG last call on draft-ietf-aaa-diameter-mobileip-08.txt Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk This is an announcement of AAA WG last call on: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-aaa-diameter-mobileip-08.txt This draft is a Standards Track document. Please send comments on this document to the AAA WG mailing list, on or before January 15, 2002. As with other AAA WG documents, issues are to be submitted using the following template: Issue Number: Get_An_Issue_Number_From_Pat Description of issue: Submitter name: Your_Name_Here Date first submitted: Insert_Date_Here Reference: URL to e-mail describing problem, if available Document: Document Requiring change [base, nasreq, mobileip, cms, transport] Comment type: ['T'echnical | 'E'ditorial ] Priority: ['S' Must fix | '1' Should fix | '2' May fix ] Section: Insert_Section_Number_Here Rationale/Explanation of issues: Description_of_Problem_Goes_Here Requested change: Proposal_Goes_Here_With_Specific_Text From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Fri Dec 21 18:57:16 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (postfix@trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA04561 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:57:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id 57B5091293; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:57:00 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id 2364491295; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:57:00 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB5791293 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id 11C775DDBF; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:56:59 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from internaut.com (unknown [64.38.134.99]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BC55DDA0 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:56:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA46825 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:43:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aboba@internaut.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:43:43 -0800 (PST) From: Bernard Aboba To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Subject: [AAA-WG]: AAA WG last call on draft-ietf-aaa-diameter-cms-sec-03.txt Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk This is an announcement of AAA WG last call on: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-aaa-diameter-cms-sec-03.txt This draft is a Standards Track document. Please send comments on this document to the AAA WG mailing list, on or before January 15, 2002. As with other AAA WG documents, issues are to be submitted using the following template: Issue Number: Get_An_Issue_Number_From_Pat Description of issue: Submitter name: Your_Name_Here Date first submitted: Insert_Date_Here Reference: URL to e-mail describing problem, if available Document: Document Requiring change [base, nasreq, mobileip, cms, transport] Comment type: ['T'echnical | 'E'ditorial ] Priority: ['S' Must fix | '1' Should fix | '2' May fix ] Section: Insert_Section_Number_Here Rationale/Explanation of issues: Description_of_Problem_Goes_Here Requested change: Proposal_Goes_Here_With_Specific_Text From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Fri Dec 21 19:23:54 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (postfix@trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA05331 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:23:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id 1B8E991295; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:23:33 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id E158F91296; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:23:32 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF88E91295 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:23:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id BED6B5DDFB; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:23:31 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from internaut.com (unknown [64.38.134.99]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02CF75DDEB for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:23:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA46920 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 16:10:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aboba@internaut.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 16:10:16 -0800 (PST) From: Bernard Aboba To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Subject: [AAA-WG]: AAA WG Issues list now back online Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk While Pat is working on getting http://www.diameter.org/ back online, we've put the AAA WG Issues list back up at the following location: http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/AAA/issues.html Please consult the issues list prior to filing a new issue as part of AAA WG last call. From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Sun Dec 23 22:24:55 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (postfix@trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA01230 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:24:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id 7619A9121D; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:24:42 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id 4823691221; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:24:42 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E429121D for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:24:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id 099E95DDF3; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:24:41 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from mgw-x1.nokia.com (mgw-x1.nokia.com [131.228.20.21]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427785DDE5 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:24:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from esvir01nok.ntc.nokia.com (esvir01nokt.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.33]) by mgw-x1.nokia.com (Switch-2.1.0/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id fBO3OZC13594 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 05:24:35 +0200 (EET) Received: from esebh01nok.ntc.nokia.com (unverified) by esvir01nok.ntc.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 05:24:38 +0200 Received: by esebh01nok with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) id ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 05:24:35 +0200 Message-ID: <4AE1AC3D692F55488F2D03518907B8AD1820B6@beebe001.NOE.Nokia.com> From: Yanqun.Le@nokia.com To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Subject: [AAA-WG]: failover state machine inconsistent in case of REOPEN Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 05:23:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk failover state machine inconsistent in case of REOPEN Submitter name: yanqun le Submitter email address: yanqun.le@nokia.com Date first submitted: Dec 24, 2001 Reference: Document: draft-ietf-aaa-transport-05.txt Comment type: E Priority: S Section: Appendix A Rationale/Explanation of issue: In the state of REOPEN in failover state machine, the action to Event Send & Pending is inconsistent with that in function OnSendRequest. Requested change: Fix failover state machine to be consistent with function OnSendRequest. From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Mon Dec 24 11:33:14 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (postfix@trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA23622 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:33:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id D76E691222; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:33:05 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id 98D3F91223; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:33:05 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5601391222 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:33:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id 2D6355DE00; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:33:04 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from web13001.mail.yahoo.com (web13001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.11]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id DEEAA5DDAB for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:33:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011224163302.66969.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.3.232.118] by web13001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:33:02 PST Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:33:02 -0800 (PST) From: Dilip Subject: [AAA-WG]: Peer State Machine To: aaa-wg@merit.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk Hi In the peer state machine section 5.6.2 Events. The Rcv-Message Event states "A message other than CER,CEA,DWR, or DWA was received" In THIS definition DPR & DPA is missed out. suggestion --------- Sections 5.6.2 Events should have Rcv-Message " A message other than CER,CEA,DPR,DPA,DWR, or DWA was received" Regards Dilip Patel ===== Live For Today & not for Tomorrow... As Tomorrow NEVER COMES.. Do Visit My Site at http://www.angelfire.com/in/dilris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Sat Dec 29 10:44:01 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (postfix@trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA28087 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:44:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id B1F8591221; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:43:48 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id 77C229122B; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:43:48 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7194C91221 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:43:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id 4FB5F5DDA5; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:43:47 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from internaut.com (unknown [64.38.134.99]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 970495DDA2 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:43:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA62120 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 07:29:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aboba@internaut.com) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 07:29:53 -0800 (PST) From: Bernard Aboba To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Subject: [AAA-WG]: [Issue] Error messages: decimal or hex? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk Submitter: Bernard Aboba Date: December 28, 2001 Document: Diameter Base -08 Section: 7.1 (page 75) Rationale: Diameter distinguishes error classes according to the DECIMAL value of the Result-Code data field. This is widely used in protocols that utilize ASCII encoding (SMTP, HTTP, etc.). But it doesn't make much sense in a binary protocol such as Diameter. Shouldn't the HEX value of the Result-Code data field be used instead? For example: Is an Informational error message 1000 - 1999 in DECIMAL? Or is it 10000000 - 1FFFFFFF in HEX? From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Sat Dec 29 10:54:23 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (postfix@trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA28158 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:54:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id 0B7479122B; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:54:03 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id C76949122C; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:54:02 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C751A9122B for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:54:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id A86EF5DDA5; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:54:01 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from internaut.com (unknown [64.38.134.99]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D565DDA2 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:54:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA62141 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 07:40:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aboba@internaut.com) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 07:40:07 -0800 (PST) From: Bernard Aboba To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Subject: [AAA-WG]: Editorial nits in Diameter Base -08 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk Submitter: Bernard Aboba Date: December 28, 2001 Document: Diameter Base -08 Type: Editorial Page 7, section 1.1, 3rd paragraph, last sentence: Change "AVPs are used by base Diameter" to "AVPs are used by the base Diameter" Page 12, section 3.0-, 3rd paragraph: "Diameter Servers must support the base protocol" Shouldn't the must be capitalized? Page 14, section 2.1, third and fourth paragraphs: Change: "ICMP protocol and port unreachable messages" to "ICMP protocol port unreachable messages". "If Diameter receives data to from TCP that" to "If Diameter receives data from TCP that" Page 16, Section 2.3.4, first paragraph: Change "Applications Identifiers is different from the ones" to "Applications Identifiers are different from the ones" Page 111, Section 11.1.1, second paragraph Change: "is set to a non-zero value, is for Private Use" to "is set to a non-zero value, are for Private Use" Same change in section 11.2.1 on page 111 also. From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Sat Dec 29 11:02:20 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (postfix@trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA28291 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id ECC7A9122C; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:02:02 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id B69FC9122D; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:02:02 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A23069122C for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:02:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id 831BB5DDA5; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:02:01 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from internaut.com (unknown [64.38.134.99]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1AF55DDA2 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:02:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA62152 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 07:48:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aboba@internaut.com) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 07:48:07 -0800 (PST) From: Bernard Aboba To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Subject: [AAA-WG]: [Issue] Normative versus Informative references Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk Submitter: Bernard Aboba Date: December 28, 2001 Type: Editorial Drafts: Base, Nasreq, Mobile IP, Transport Section: References Rationale: RFC Editor has indicated that future RFCs will need to separate Normative versus Informative references. From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Sat Dec 29 11:12:18 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (postfix@trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA28339 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:12:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id 545459122D; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:12:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id 223BD9122E; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:12:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 305459122D for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:12:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id 04BFE5DDAE; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:12:05 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from internaut.com (unknown [64.38.134.99]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F455DDA5 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA62166 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 07:58:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aboba@internaut.com) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 07:58:10 -0800 (PST) From: Bernard Aboba To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Subject: [AAA-WG]: [Issue] References to ADIF in NASREQ-08 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk Submitter: Bernard Aboba Date: December 28, 2001 Document: Nasreq-08 Rationale: Support for ADIF was removed a while back Sections 7.4.3 and 7.4.4 In both sections it is stated "This AVP SHOULD Be included in the ADIF Record of the corresponding Accounting-Request messages" Suggestion: strike "the ADIF Record of" From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Sat Dec 29 11:21:24 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (postfix@trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA28403 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:21:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id CCD769122F; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:21:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id 98BCF91230; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:21:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3106C9122F for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:21:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id 167F55DDA5; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:21:05 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from internaut.com (unknown [64.38.134.99]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58FD45DDA2 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:21:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA62183 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 08:07:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aboba@internaut.com) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 08:07:10 -0800 (PST) From: Bernard Aboba To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Subject: [AAA-WG]: [Issue] Granting Access via Accounting Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk Submitter: Bernard Aboba Date: December 28, 2001 Document: Base-08 Section: 8.2, page 86 Rationale: Access is not granted based on receipt of a successful accounting start answer Change: In the state table on pp. 86, it states that in Pending state, receipt of a Successful accounting start answer results in "grant access" and movement to the Open state. Since access is granted within the authentication/authorization state machine, this appears to be an error. From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Sat Dec 29 11:35:46 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (postfix@trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA28455 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:35:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id 8D3CC91230; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:35:34 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id 5D3BC91231; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:35:34 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6525691230 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:35:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id 380015DDAE; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:35:33 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from internaut.com (unknown [64.38.134.99]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE8B5DDA2 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:35:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA62200 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 08:21:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aboba@internaut.com) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 08:21:39 -0800 (PST) From: Bernard Aboba To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Subject: [AAA-WG]: [Issue] Diameter Peer Discovery Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk Submitter: Bernard Aboba Date: December 28, 2001 Type: Technical Document: Base -08 Section: 5.2, page 49 Rationale: A6 RRs are now deprecated, and the text doesn't mention how to discover TLS support on the peer Change: 3. The Diameter implementation uses DNS to request the SRV RR [33] for the '_diameter._sctp' and/or '_diameter._tcp' server in a particular realm" To: 3. The Diameter implementation uses DNS to request the SRV RR [33] for the '_diameter-tls._sctp' and/or '_diameter-tls._tcp' in a particular realm, as well as the '_diameter._sctp' and/or '_diameter._tcp' servers. If records corresponding to the TLS ports are found, the Diameter peer is assumed to support TLS. Change: "Address records include A RR's, AAAA RR's, A6 RR's or other similar" To: "Address records include A RRs, AAAA RRs or other similar" From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Sat Dec 29 11:50:39 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (postfix@trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA28545 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:50:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id 4B3E691222; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:50:27 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id 1B35B91231; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:50:27 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02CB791222 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:50:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id CC2DA5DDAE; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:50:25 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from internaut.com (unknown [64.38.134.99]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D58975DDA2 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:50:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA62219 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 08:36:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aboba@internaut.com) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 08:36:31 -0800 (PST) From: Bernard Aboba To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Subject: [AAA-WG]: [Issue] More details needed on Diameter IPsec usage Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk Submitter: Bernard Aboba Date: December 28, 2001 Type: Technical Document: Base -08 Section: 2.2 Rationale: The IPsec mode is not specified. IPsec is also mispelled (do a global replace of IPSec with IPsec). Add: " All Diameter implementations MUST support IPsec ESP [RFC2406] in transport mode with a non-null transform to provide per-packet authentication, integrity protection and confidentiality, and MUST support the replay protection mechanisms of IPsec. Diameter implemenations MUST support IKE for peer authentication, negotiation of security associations, and key management, using the IPsec DOI [RFC2407]. Manual keying MUST NOT be used since it does not provide the necessary rekeying support. Diameter implementations MUST support peer authentication using a pre-shared key, and MAY support certificate-based peer authentication using digital signatures. Peer authentication using the public key encryption methods outlined in IKE's sections 5.2 and 5.3 [RFC2409] SHOULD NOT be used. Conformant implementations MUST support both IKE Main Mode and Aggressive Mode. When pre-shared keys are used for authentication, IKE Aggressive Mode SHOULD be used, and IKE Main Mode SHOULD NOT be used. When digital signatures are used for authentication, either IKE Main Mode or IKE Aggressive Mode MAY be used. In all cases, access to locally stored secret information (pre-shared key, or private key for digital signing) must be suitably restricted, since compromise of the secret information nullifies the security properties of the IKE/IPsec protocols. When digital signatures are used to achieve authentication, an IKE negotiator SHOULD use IKE Certificate Request Payload(s) to specify the certificate authority (or authorities) that are trusted in accordance with its local policy. IKE negotiators SHOULD check the pertinent Certificate Revocation List (CRL) before accepting a PKI certificate for use in IKE's authentication procedures. The Phase 2 Quick Mode exchanges used to negotiate protection for Diameter connections MUST explicitly carry the Identity Payload fields (IDci and IDcr). The DOI provides for several types of identification data. However, when used in conformant implementations, each ID Payload MUST carry a single IP address and a single non-zero port number, and MUST NOT use the IP Subnet or IP Address Range formats. This allows the Phase 2 security association to correspond to specific TCP and SCTP connections. Since IPsec acceleration hardware may only be able to handle a limited number of active IKE Phase 2 SAs, Phase 2 delete messages may be sent for idle SAs, as a means of keeping the number of active Phase 2 SAs to a minimum. The receipt of an IKE Phase 2 delete message SHOULD NOT be interpreted as a reason for tearing down a Diameter connection. Rather, it is preferable to leave the connection up, and if additional traffic is sent on it, to bring up another IKE Phase 2 SA to protect it. This avoids the potential for continually bringing connections up and down. If an IKE implementation receives a Phase 1 Delete message for a Phase 1 Security Association bound to one or more sessions, then it SHOULD delete the associated IKE Phase 2 security associations." From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Sat Dec 29 12:31:44 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (postfix@trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA28761 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:31:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id 99A3891231; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:30:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id 699AF91232; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:30:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5A691231 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:30:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id 31BEE5DDCF; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:30:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from internaut.com (unknown [64.38.134.99]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831B25DDA2 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:30:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA62258 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:16:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aboba@internaut.com) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:16:16 -0800 (PST) From: Bernard Aboba To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Subject: [AAA-WG]: [Issue] Diameter introduction needs improvement Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk Note: this issue never got entered into the issues list, so it is being resubmitted. Description of issue: Diameter introduction needs improvement Submitter name: Randy Bush Submitter email address: randy@psg.com Date first submitted: 2001.09.03 Reference: Document: base Comment type: E Priority: S Section: 1.0, 1.1 Rationale/Explanation of issue: The Introduction (section 1.0) talks about the history and motivation for the development of Diameter. Section 1.1 talks about the basic building blocks of Diameter. Section 2 provides an overview of protocol concepts. What would be helpful is if a high-level introduction could be provided within section 1. The material currently in section 1.1 might be better moved to section 2. Requested change: To provide context, the following topics would be useful in the Introduction: a. An overview of the Diameter approach 1. Relationship of NASes, Servers and Intermediaries 2. Message routing concepts 3. Requests, Responses, Unsolicited messages b. Important ways that Diameter differs from RADIUS (Idea is to introduce the concepts, not go into depth, but make clear what the feature is attempting to achieve. Reference where details are provided.) 1. Peer-to-peer nature 2. Explicit support for intermediaries 3. Connection-oriented versus connectionless 4. Concept of extensions 5. Built-in failover support 6. Larger attribute space 7. Integrated accounting 8. Mandatory bit 9. Application-layer ACKs and error messages 10. Unsolicited server messages 11. Peer discovery 12. Capabilities negotiation (worth explaining why this isn't e2e here) c. Description of the Diameter document set and relationship between the documents. d. Approach to extensibility (this is in section 2.3, but might be better consolidated into the Introduction) From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Sat Dec 29 12:46:25 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (postfix@trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA28818 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:46:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id DD45291232; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:45:48 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id AD44391233; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:45:48 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B545F91232 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:45:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id 88ADF5DDB8; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:45:47 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from internaut.com (unknown [64.38.134.99]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56925DDA2 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:45:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA62275 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:31:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aboba@internaut.com) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:31:53 -0800 (PST) From: Bernard Aboba To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Subject: [AAA-WG]: [Issue] Translation of RADIUS vendor-specific attributes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk Submitter: Bernard Aboba Date: December 28, 2001 Reference: Document: NASREQ -08 Comment type: T Priority: S Section: 9.1 Rationale/Explanation of issue: There is no discussion of how RADIUS vendor-specific attributes are to be translated to Diameter AVPs and vice-versa. From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Sat Dec 29 13:37:25 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (postfix@trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA29315 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:37:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id 495EE91205; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:37:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id 1337591233; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:37:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E3D91205 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:37:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id CCC7C5DDDD; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:37:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from fep06-app.kolumbus.fi (fep06-0.kolumbus.fi [193.229.0.57]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFBB85DDA0 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:37:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from jariws1 ([62.248.239.67]) by fep06-app.kolumbus.fi (InterMail vM.5.01.03.08 201-253-122-118-108-20010628) with SMTP id <20011229183702.EWWY4849.fep06-app.kolumbus.fi@jariws1>; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:37:02 +0200 Message-ID: <001501c19097$d09e9600$8a1b6e0a@arenanet.fi> From: "Jari Arkko" To: "Bernard Aboba" , References: Subject: Re: [AAA-WG]: [Issue] Granting Access via Accounting Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:37:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Change: > In the state table on pp. 86, it states that in Pending state, receipt of > a Successful accounting start answer results in "grant access" and > movement to the Open state. Since access is granted within the > authentication/authorization state machine, this appears to be an error. Agree. (I also wondered about this some e-mails ago...) There's been a few suggested changes to the accounting state machine. I'll try to merge those and post a suggested final state machine soon. Jari From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Sat Dec 29 13:58:10 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (postfix@trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA29425 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:58:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id 7291291233; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:57:58 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id 4491891234; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:57:58 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E1D591233 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:57:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id 0A5655DDE1; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:57:57 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from rip.psg.com (rip.psg.com [147.28.0.39]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C79715DDA0 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:57:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from randy by rip.psg.com with local (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16KOg5-0002Nr-00 for aaa-wg@merit.edu; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:57:53 -0800 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Subject: [AAA-WG]: Re: Diameter extensibility Message-Id: Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:57:53 -0800 Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit is eeems that the results of the discussion last may of vendor-specific commands never made it into the documents. in specific. --- 25 of the base: "The Command-Code field is three octets, and is used in order to communicate the command associated with the message. The 24-bit address space is managed by IANA (see section 11.2). In the event that the Command-Code field contains a vendor specific command, the four octet Vendor-ID field contains the IANA assigned "SMI Network Management Private Enterprise Codes" [2] value. If the Command-Code field contains an IETF standard Command, the Vendor-ID field MUST be set to zero (0). Any vendor wishing to implement a vendor-specific Diameter command MUST use their own Vendor-ID along with their privately managed Command-Code address space, guaranteeing that they will not collide with any other vnedor's vendor-specific command, nor with future IETF applications." --- as i said last april, > as an engineer, i sympathize with the excitement that the protocol is > very extensible. otoh, an architect might view that the protocol is > merely a list of name/value tuples to indicate a lack of bounding and > understanding of the problems and/or inability to make a real design for > it. > > open loop extensibility is really worrying the iesg. --- and we discussed again in may: > So, the WG questioned whether the specs could be more relax on the > IANA requirements for extensibility. Specifically, could a > vendor-specific extension be created without Standards Action. i can see arguments for relaxing to info but not iana-only. a documentation trail is needed. --- and a number of iesg members made quite clear, or at least tried to, that any extensions, vendor or otherwise, must require previous documentation in an rfc. --- please consider this a bug report. my apologies for not knowing how to get a bug number etc. randy From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Sat Dec 29 16:14:02 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (postfix@trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA00475 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 16:14:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id 56A1D91236; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 16:13:50 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id 1E7BA91237; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 16:13:50 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8C991236 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 16:13:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id 061DC5DDAB; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 16:13:49 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from internaut.com (unknown [64.38.134.99]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F645DDA2 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 16:13:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA62497 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:59:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aboba@internaut.com) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:59:53 -0800 (PST) From: Bernard Aboba To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Subject: [AAA-WG]: [Issue] TLS usage issues Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk Submitter: Bernard Aboba Date: December 28, 2001 Reference: Document: BASE-08 Comment type: T Priority: S Section: 2.2 Rationale/Explanation of issue: There is no discussion of how TLS authentication is used with Diameter. For example: a. Are both peers required to support certificates? b. If not, how is it decided which peer authenticates to who? Proposed change: Add: "Diameter clients act as TLS clients according to [RFC2246], and Diameter servers act as TLS servers. Diameter clients and servers implementing TLS for security MUST mutually authenticate as part of TLS session establishment. In order to ensure mutual authentication, Diameter servers MUST request certificates from Diameter clients, and the client MUST be prepared to supply a certificate on request." From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Sun Dec 30 04:40:51 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (postfix@trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA14714 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 04:40:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id 85B019123A; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 04:40:38 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id 579F69123B; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 04:40:38 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E00CC9123A for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 04:40:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id B06FD5DDCB; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 04:40:36 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from mgw-x1.nokia.com (mgw-x1.nokia.com [131.228.20.21]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4CC25DDBD for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 04:40:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from esvir05nok.ntc.nokia.com (esvir05nokt.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.37]) by mgw-x1.nokia.com (Switch-2.1.0/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id fBU9eSC11435 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:40:28 +0200 (EET) Received: from esebh01nok.ntc.nokia.com (unverified) by esvir05nok.ntc.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:40:34 +0200 Received: by esebh01nok with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) id ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:40:34 +0200 Message-ID: <4AE1AC3D692F55488F2D03518907B8AD1D3549@beebe001.NOE.Nokia.com> From: Yanqun.Le@nokia.com To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Subject: [AAA-WG]: [Issue] peer connection inconsistent between base08 and transport05 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:39:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk Submitter name: yanqun le Submitter email address: yanqun.le@nokia.com Date first submitted: Dec 30, 2001 Reference: Document: Diameter Base -08, dratf-ietf-aaa-transport-05 Comment type: T Priority: S Section: Section 5.1 of Base- 08, Section 3.4.1 of Transport -05 Rationale/Explanation of issue: The last third paragraphs in Section 5.1 is inconsistent with Section 3. 4.1 of transport-05. Requested change: The last third paragraphs in Section 5.1 should be changed to: When a peer is deemed suspect, which could occur for various reasons, including not receiving a DWA within an alloted timeframe, no new requests should be forwarded to the peer, and failover procedures should be invoked. When an active peer is moved to this mode, additional connections SHOULD be established to ensure that the necessary number of active connections exists. There are two ways that a peer is removed from the suspect peer list: 1. the peer's watchdog timer has expired without a response, causing a trasport reset or close to be done on the connection. 2. a response is received from the peer within the watchdog timer, and the connection to the peer is considered stabilized. In the event the peer being removed is either the primary or secondary, an alternate peer SHOULD replace the deleted peer, and assume the role of either primary or secondary. From owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Sun Dec 30 04:53:55 2001 Received: from trapdoor.merit.edu (postfix@trapdoor.merit.edu [198.108.1.26]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA14778 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 04:53:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id 653A89123B; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 04:53:34 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id 2F0C69123C; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 04:53:34 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@trapdoor.merit.edu Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24C8E9123B for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 04:53:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id DDB365DE03; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 04:53:32 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Received: from mgw-x1.nokia.com (mgw-x1.nokia.com [131.228.20.21]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2641E5DDF9 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 04:53:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from esvir05nok.ntc.nokia.com (esvir05nokt.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.37]) by mgw-x1.nokia.com (Switch-2.1.0/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id fBU9rOC12689 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:53:24 +0200 (EET) Received: from esebh01nok.ntc.nokia.com (unverified) by esvir05nok.ntc.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:53:30 +0200 Received: by esebh01nok with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) id ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:52:41 +0200 Message-ID: <4AE1AC3D692F55488F2D03518907B8AD1D354B@beebe001.NOE.Nokia.com> From: Yanqun.Le@nokia.com To: aaa-wg@merit.edu Subject: [AAA-WG]: CER first or watchdog first when reopening a connection Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:51:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Sender: owner-aaa-wg@merit.edu Precedence: bulk In section3.4.1 [5] of draft-ietf-aaa-trasport-05, it said: If the connection is successfully opened, then the watchdog message is sent. Once three watchdog messages have been sent and responded to, the connection is returned to service, and transactions are once again sent over it. I wonder: When a connection to a peer comes up from DOWN status, i.e. reopen a connction, does it need exchange capabilities again? If capabilities exchange is needed, does it send Watchdog first or exchange CER/CEA first?