From klaas@cisco.com Tue Apr 9 01:29:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5CF821F88BF for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 01:29:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IKhiCUvfHaeH for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 01:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-2.cisco.com (ams-iport-2.cisco.com [144.254.224.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 978B121F877A for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 01:29:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=427; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1365496190; x=1366705790; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:subject:message-id:date: to:mime-version; 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Tue, 9 Apr 2013 09:41:45 +0100 From: Josh Howlett To: Klaas Wierenga , "" Thread-Topic: [abfab] WGLC for draft-ietf-abfab-eapapplicability-02 Thread-Index: AQHONPzH1O5sk/9gd0SNyn6kgAcZ5ZjNkiGA Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 08:41:45 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3F295BEE-3638-49E9-9225-EBC3E9DFD777@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.2.130206 x-originating-ip: [194.82.140.76] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [abfab] WGLC for draft-ietf-abfab-eapapplicability-02 X-BeenThere: abfab@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Application Bridging, Federated Authentication Beyond \(the web\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 08:41:50 -0000 I'm in favour. On 09/04/2013 09:29, "Klaas Wierenga" wrote: >Hi, > >This e-mail starts a 2 week (ending April 23d) Working Group Last Call on >draft-ietf-abfab-eapapplicability-02 >(http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-abfab-eapapplicability/). >Version 02 reflects the consensus in the WG meeting in Orlando, but >please explicitly state whether you are in favour of this version or not >even if you have already done so in the meeting. > >Thanks, > >Klaas and Leif >_______________________________________________ >abfab mailing list >abfab@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/abfab Janet(UK) is a trading name of Jisc Collections and Janet Limited, a=20 not-for-profit company which is registered in England under No. 2881024=20 and whose Registered Office is at Lumen House, Library Avenue, Harwell Oxford, Didcot, Oxfordshire. OX11 0SG. VAT No. 614944238 From smith@Cardiff.ac.uk Tue Apr 9 02:13:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FDFA21F8B1E for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 02:13:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ub3HZ7IDQ7ck for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 02:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpout2.cf.ac.uk (smtpout2.cf.ac.uk [131.251.137.139]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6544021F8FC6 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 02:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpauth.cf.ac.uk ([131.251.248.19]) by smtpout2.cf.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1UPUcG-0006gy-KS; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 10:13:24 +0100 Received: from [160.5.206.217] (helo=wh0217.wifi6-leis.keele.ac.uk) by smtpauth.cf.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UPUcG-0006Ts-J7; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 10:13:24 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) From: Rhys Smith In-Reply-To: <3F295BEE-3638-49E9-9225-EBC3E9DFD777@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 10:13:26 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <3F295BEE-3638-49E9-9225-EBC3E9DFD777@cisco.com> To: Klaas Wierenga X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) Sender: smith@Cardiff.ac.uk X-Virus-Scanned: Cardiff University Virus Scanner X-Virus-Scanned: Cardiff University Virus Scanner Cc: "" Subject: Re: [abfab] WGLC for draft-ietf-abfab-eapapplicability-02 X-BeenThere: abfab@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Application Bridging, Federated Authentication Beyond \(the web\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 09:13:28 -0000 On 9 Apr 2013, at 09:29, Klaas Wierenga wrote: > This e-mail starts a 2 week (ending April 23d) Working Group Last Call = on draft-ietf-abfab-eapapplicability-02 = (http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-abfab-eapapplicability/). = Version 02 reflects the consensus in the WG meeting in Orlando, but = please explicitly state whether you are in favour of this version or not = even if you have already done so in the meeting.=20 In favour. -- Dr Rhys Smith Identity, Access, and Middleware Specialist Cardiff University & Janet - the UK's research and education network email: smith@cardiff.ac.uk / rhys.smith@ja.net GPG: 0xDE2F024C= From hartmans@mit.edu Tue Apr 9 04:01:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69EBE21F9026 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 04:01:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.574 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.574 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.025, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YdU1zi0yzFwK for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 04:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.painless-security.com (mail.painless-security.com [23.30.188.241]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0328E21F8FD4 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 04:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (c-98-216-0-82.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [98.216.0.82]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "laptop", Issuer "laptop" (not verified)) by mail.painless-security.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CFC42003E; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 07:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (Postfix, from userid 8042) id 794064499; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 07:01:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Hartman To: Rhys Smith References: <3F295BEE-3638-49E9-9225-EBC3E9DFD777@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 07:01:23 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: "" Subject: Re: [abfab] WGLC for draft-ietf-abfab-eapapplicability-02 X-BeenThere: abfab@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Application Bridging, Federated Authentication Beyond \(the web\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 11:01:34 -0000 I support publication. Section 4: One minor error: fully mitigate the risk of NAS impersonation when these mechanisms are used, it is RECOMMENDED that mutual channel bindings be used to bind the authentications together as described in [I-D.ietf-emu-crypto-bind]. When doing channel binding it is REQUIRED that the authenticator is not able to modify the channel binding data passed between the peer to the authenticator as part of the authentication process. Don't you mean cryptographic binding there? I also believe that a reference to RFC 6919 section 1 MAY WISH TO be considered for section 1.1. There are a lot of MUSTs is section 2. I don't support any text changes to section 2. From leifj@sunet.se Tue Apr 9 06:00:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F03E21F9034 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 06:00:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bMV1QREl778o for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 06:00:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from e-mailfilter02.sunet.se (e-mailfilter02.sunet.se [IPv6:2001:6b0:8:2::202]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF6B21F8F21 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 06:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.nordu.net (smtp1.nordu.net [IPv6:2001:948:4:6::32]) by e-mailfilter02.sunet.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id r39D0Ele025154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 15:00:14 +0200 Received: from kerio.nordu.net (kerio.nordu.net [109.105.110.42]) by smtp1.nordu.net (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r39D0713003100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 13:00:14 GMT Received: from [109.105.104.210] ([109.105.104.210]) (authenticated user leifj@nordu.net) by kerio.nordu.net (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES256-SHA (256 bits)) for abfab@ietf.org; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 15:00:06 +0200 Message-ID: <516410D5.2020908@sunet.se> Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 15:00:05 +0200 From: Leif Johansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130308 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: abfab@ietf.org References: <3F295BEE-3638-49E9-9225-EBC3E9DFD777@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-p0f-Info: os=unknown unknown, link=Ethernet or modem X-CanIt-Geo: ip=109.105.110.42; country=SE; latitude=62.0000; longitude=15.0000; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=62.0000,15.0000&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: outbound-nordu-net:outbound (inherits from outbound-nordu-net:default, nordu-net:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0aJlN0eUg - 2d7bd661ae56 - 20130409 X-Antispam-Training-Forget: https://mailfilter.nordu.net/canit/b.php?i=0aJlN0eUg&m=2d7bd661ae56&t=20130409&c=f X-Antispam-Training-Nonspam: https://mailfilter.nordu.net/canit/b.php?i=0aJlN0eUg&m=2d7bd661ae56&t=20130409&c=n X-Antispam-Training-Spam: https://mailfilter.nordu.net/canit/b.php?i=0aJlN0eUg&m=2d7bd661ae56&t=20130409&c=s X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) Subject: Re: [abfab] WGLC for draft-ietf-abfab-eapapplicability-02 X-BeenThere: abfab@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Application Bridging, Federated Authentication Beyond \(the web\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 13:00:17 -0000 On 04/09/2013 01:01 PM, Sam Hartman wrote: > I support publication. > Section 4: > > One minor error: > > fully mitigate the risk of NAS impersonation when these mechanisms > are used, it is RECOMMENDED that mutual channel bindings be used to > bind the authentications together as described in > [I-D.ietf-emu-crypto-bind]. When doing channel binding it is > REQUIRED that the authenticator is not able to modify the channel > binding data passed between the peer to the authenticator as part of > the authentication process. > > > Don't you mean cryptographic binding there? > > I also believe that a reference to RFC 6919 section 1 MAY WISH TO be > considered for section 1.1. There are a lot of MUSTs is section 2. I > don't support any text changes to section 2. > _______________________________________________ > abfab mailing list > abfab@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/abfab These sound like minor last-call comments that Joe can incorporate before IETF LC. Cheers Leif From ietf@augustcellars.com Tue Apr 9 18:13:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6261921F97CF for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:13:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HqGlbMvOlrqQ for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:13:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp3.pacifier.net (smtp3.pacifier.net [64.255.237.177]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB3721F985E for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:13:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Philemon (mail.augustcellars.com [50.34.17.238]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jimsch@nwlink.com) by smtp3.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AE8E138F18; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:13:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Schaad" To: "'Klaas Wierenga'" , References: <3F295BEE-3638-49E9-9225-EBC3E9DFD777@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <3F295BEE-3638-49E9-9225-EBC3E9DFD777@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:12:20 -0700 Message-ID: <010801ce3588$74ed3490$5ec79db0$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQE/VcaE13Vi2PYoBawL7KdheYGLAJnsZR5A Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [abfab] WGLC for draft-ietf-abfab-eapapplicability-02 X-BeenThere: abfab@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Application Bridging, Federated Authentication Beyond \(the web\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 01:13:04 -0000 I support. Minor comment. This is really a question of process. I think the first sentence in section 3 might need to be removed or modified if we are no longer updating RFC 3748. Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: abfab-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:abfab-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Klaas Wierenga > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 1:30 AM > To: > Subject: [abfab] WGLC for draft-ietf-abfab-eapapplicability-02 > > Hi, > > This e-mail starts a 2 week (ending April 23d) Working Group Last Call on > draft-ietf-abfab-eapapplicability-02 (http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf- > abfab-eapapplicability/). Version 02 reflects the consensus in the WG meeting > in Orlando, but please explicitly state whether you are in favour of this > version or not even if you have already done so in the meeting. > > Thanks, > > Klaas and Leif > _______________________________________________ > abfab mailing list > abfab@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/abfab From hartmans@painless-security.com Tue Apr 9 18:14:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1A321F9879 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:14:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3hxJsfrdY90c for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:14:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.painless-security.com (mail.painless-security.com [23.30.188.241]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9006C21F9864 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:14:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.painless-security.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00445205CC; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 21:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.painless-security.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.suchdamage.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wd3tK4Rv5xfI; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 21:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (unknown [10.1.10.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "laptop", Issuer "laptop" (not verified)) by mail.painless-security.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 21:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (Postfix, from userid 8042) id 6D4AC4499; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 21:14:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Hartman To: "Jim Schaad" References: <3F295BEE-3638-49E9-9225-EBC3E9DFD777@cisco.com> <010801ce3588$74ed3490$5ec79db0$@augustcellars.com> Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 21:14:52 -0400 In-Reply-To: <010801ce3588$74ed3490$5ec79db0$@augustcellars.com> (Jim Schaad's message of "Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:12:20 -0700") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110009 (No Gnus v0.9) Emacs/22.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: abfab@ietf.org Subject: Re: [abfab] WGLC for draft-ietf-abfab-eapapplicability-02 X-BeenThere: abfab@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Application Bridging, Federated Authentication Beyond \(the web\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 01:14:55 -0000 >>>>> "Jim" == Jim Schaad writes: Jim> I support. Minor comment. This is really a question of Jim> process. I think the first sentence in section 3 might need to Jim> be removed or modified if we are no longer updating RFC 3748. I missed that we are no longer updating 3748. how did that come about; I don't think I agree with that decision. From ietf@augustcellars.com Tue Apr 9 18:30:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E7821F98C8 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:30:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EW8NAoNQZEGX for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.pacifier.net (smtp1.pacifier.net [64.255.237.171]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B74621F98C4 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Philemon (mail.augustcellars.com [50.34.17.238]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jimsch@nwlink.com) by smtp1.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DA7352C9BE; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:30:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Schaad" To: "'Sam Hartman'" References: <3F295BEE-3638-49E9-9225-EBC3E9DFD777@cisco.com> <010801ce3588$74ed3490$5ec79db0$@augustcellars.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:29:32 -0700 Message-ID: <011201ce358a$dcb23ab0$9616b010$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQE/VcaE13Vi2PYoBawL7KdheYGLAAG1UeVeAi/BTDaZzUC4sA== Content-Language: en-us Cc: abfab@ietf.org Subject: Re: [abfab] WGLC for draft-ietf-abfab-eapapplicability-02 X-BeenThere: abfab@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Application Bridging, Federated Authentication Beyond \(the web\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 01:30:16 -0000 We could still be, it was not clear to me that this was still a true statement. The headers also do not explicitly state that we are doing an update to that although the document does still speak in those terms. It was also not clear to me if this was still going to be a true statement given the removal of all of the other update texts. I would be happy if this document does do an update. We need to make sure that it is explicit to everybody that this is going to happen. Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam Hartman [mailto:hartmans@painless-security.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 6:15 PM > To: Jim Schaad > Cc: 'Klaas Wierenga'; abfab@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [abfab] WGLC for draft-ietf-abfab-eapapplicability-02 > > >>>>> "Jim" == Jim Schaad writes: > > Jim> I support. Minor comment. This is really a question of > Jim> process. I think the first sentence in section 3 might need to > Jim> be removed or modified if we are no longer updating RFC 3748. > > I missed that we are no longer updating 3748. > how did that come about; I don't think I agree with that decision. From hartmans@painless-security.com Tue Apr 9 18:31:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD3C221F955E for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:31:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 69sm6UuuDO2F for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.painless-security.com (mail.painless-security.com [23.30.188.241]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34ED521F94FD for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.painless-security.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6AB205D1; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 21:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.painless-security.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.suchdamage.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u6ZMPVWyuLVa; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 21:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (unknown [10.1.10.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "laptop", Issuer "laptop" (not verified)) by mail.painless-security.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 21:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (Postfix, from userid 8042) id 7AE414499; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 21:31:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Hartman To: "Jim Schaad" References: <3F295BEE-3638-49E9-9225-EBC3E9DFD777@cisco.com> <010801ce3588$74ed3490$5ec79db0$@augustcellars.com> <011201ce358a$dcb23ab0$9616b010$@augustcellars.com> Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 21:31:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: <011201ce358a$dcb23ab0$9616b010$@augustcellars.com> (Jim Schaad's message of "Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:29:32 -0700") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110009 (No Gnus v0.9) Emacs/22.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: abfab@ietf.org Subject: Re: [abfab] WGLC for draft-ietf-abfab-eapapplicability-02 X-BeenThere: abfab@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Application Bridging, Federated Authentication Beyond \(the web\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 01:31:59 -0000 OK. My preferred solution to your comment is to add updates to the headers and abstract. I think the intro is fairly clear on the point. From leifj@mnt.se Wed Apr 10 06:04:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A5E321F9771 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 06:04:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TLBWA+KnhftW for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 06:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CF3621F9770 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 06:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ee0-f41.google.com with SMTP id c1so224661eek.28 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 06:04:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=z/X0YjiIX8hrTUE3DLt6jj6CNqSR2p51QSvEwTZUViE=; b=h80Zj5G8DAFfYfbHlGO17JKdvESKdzBAkSgbBxC46ib/jrwGKNwSALYgzy9NZViZ6B CFYmN2nVxh39W8yYc/mv9C2jHkf9bqMSNXwrMcJ8BYq/F5oo4ENy96nPSKRkEORM4ZJy VeAYvpSAlL+P3EL7/ryqCIWxSJyDVtZRJI9IJZ1nJQK3Ycdhp9FWRvpMgaG3Btv5uKEw hSfMpSlOHI1ZZB+ZZ8srGO9C6W/tOecE3sZQQSpmD7I7E5kgnSwy9Qq7al0pVT+iN/fN 8UYmAG0b2sgH2Mp7vZ8gsegy5vLgZp4Q0jaZjjJtXVDsUyC4s4PI9AGLAsGGYoXsmVsB XCug== X-Received: by 10.14.184.68 with SMTP id r44mr5310584eem.40.1365599089322; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 06:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [109.105.104.210] ([109.105.104.210]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s47sm43577559eeg.8.2013.04.10.06.04.47 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 10 Apr 2013 06:04:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5165636E.3000501@mnt.se> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 15:04:46 +0200 From: Leif Johansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130308 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: abfab@ietf.org References: <3F295BEE-3638-49E9-9225-EBC3E9DFD777@cisco.com> <010801ce3588$74ed3490$5ec79db0$@augustcellars.com> <011201ce358a$dcb23ab0$9616b010$@augustcellars.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlQCSwLU4iRSl7oMnOl+u6ftaNi3HW7vELTYKMYPPBXToxlWyn/0PbR7B2zEoYaV1yodbvY Subject: Re: [abfab] WGLC for draft-ietf-abfab-eapapplicability-02 X-BeenThere: abfab@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Application Bridging, Federated Authentication Beyond \(the web\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 13:04:51 -0000 On 04/10/2013 03:31 AM, Sam Hartman wrote: > OK. My preferred solution to your comment is to add updates to the > headers and abstract. > I think the intro is fairly clear on the point. > Agree. This looks like something we can handle just before/at IETF LC. From internet-drafts@ietf.org Thu Apr 18 10:42:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AEDF21F90B3; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:42:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.498 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.498 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.102, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oVmR+WjnSuCB; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4F021F8E6F; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:42:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.44 Message-ID: <20130418174242.3409.12211.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:42:42 -0700 Cc: abfab@ietf.org Subject: [abfab] I-D Action: draft-ietf-abfab-arch-06.txt X-BeenThere: abfab@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Application Bridging, Federated Authentication Beyond \(the web\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:42:43 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Application Bridging for Federated Access= Beyond web Working Group of the IETF. Title : Application Bridging for Federated Access Beyond Web (AB= FAB) Architecture Author(s) : Josh Howlett Sam Hartman Hannes Tschofenig Eliot Lear Jim Schaad Filename : draft-ietf-abfab-arch-06.txt Pages : 44 Date : 2013-04-18 Abstract: Over the last decade a substantial amount of work has occurred in the space of federated access management. Most of this effort has focused on two use cases: network access and web-based access. However, the solutions to these use cases that have been proposed and deployed tend to have few common building blocks in common. This memo describes an architecture that makes use of extensions to the commonly used security mechanisms for both federated and non- federated access management, including the Remote Authentication Dial In User Service (RADIUS) and the Diameter protocol, the Generic Security Service (GSS), the GS2 family, the Extensible Authentication Protocol (EAP) and the Security Assertion Markup Language (SAML). The architecture addresses the problem of federated access management to primarily non-web-based services, in a manner that will scale to large numbers of identity providers, relying parties, and federations. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-abfab-arch There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-abfab-arch-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-abfab-arch-06 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From ietf@augustcellars.com Thu Apr 18 11:44:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD4221F8FDC for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 11:44:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K2wwTEAsxrgH for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 11:44:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp3.pacifier.net (smtp3.pacifier.net [64.255.237.177]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C403B21F8F4E for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 11:44:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Philemon (mail.augustcellars.com [50.34.17.238]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jimsch@nwlink.com) by smtp3.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A737738F25 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 11:44:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Schaad" To: References: <20130418174243.3409.37562.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20130418174243.3409.37562.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 11:43:39 -0700 Message-ID: <04d001ce3c64$a4c20d20$ee462760$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQGNwItEGhNS8Ra2qtTPUrVxzs4jV5ldR/9w Subject: [abfab] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-abfab-arch-06.txt X-BeenThere: abfab@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Application Bridging, Federated Authentication Beyond \(the web\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:44:25 -0000 This update contains the following: 1. A number of grammar and spelling fixes 2. A partial re-write of the Privacy Considerations section. Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:43 AM > To: Sam Hartman; Hannes Tschofenig; Eliot Lear; Josh Howlett; Jim = Schaad; > Hannes Tschofenig; Sam D.Hartman > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-abfab-arch-06.txt >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-abfab-arch-06.txt has been = successfully > submitted by Josh Howlett and posted to the IETF repository. >=20 > Filename: draft-ietf-abfab-arch > Revision: 06 > Title: Application Bridging for Federated Access Beyond Web > (ABFAB) Architecture > Creation date: 2013-04-18 > Group: abfab > Number of pages: 44 > URL: = http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-abfab-arch-06.txt > Status: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-abfab-arch > Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-abfab-arch-06 > Diff: = http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-abfab-arch-06 >=20 > Abstract: > Over the last decade a substantial amount of work has occurred in = the > space of federated access management. Most of this effort has > focused on two use cases: network access and web-based access. > However, the solutions to these use cases that have been proposed = and > deployed tend to have few common building blocks in common. >=20 > This memo describes an architecture that makes use of extensions to > the commonly used security mechanisms for both federated and non- > federated access management, including the Remote Authentication = Dial > In User Service (RADIUS) and the Diameter protocol, the Generic > Security Service (GSS), the GS2 family, the Extensible = Authentication > Protocol (EAP) and the Security Assertion Markup Language (SAML). > The architecture addresses the problem of federated access = management > to primarily non-web-based services, in a manner that will scale to > large numbers of identity providers, relying parties, and > federations. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > The IETF Secretariat From kwiereng@cisco.com Mon Apr 22 02:21:40 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D44E921F8E94 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 02:21:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DErwzKRMa+km for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 02:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.86.78]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EDC621F8EAC for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 02:21:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=82; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1366622499; x=1367832099; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-id:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=EtXahxvd/iyFIneFJ78LooPF/GWtW7UHaPjZUtoxFJ8=; b=iz7z9OO97Y39Ejo7kiD388U+fLhTNQH61AotmFaNAVOyqWQ4aV/3aAGW nly/T1wuan25Vt9bV5LR1g4FN5JLsX31metiUKJOoP1tBWLjcE5pUfMqt 2sEOe2aPDsdbEVxnONRfDk4kp8rCeQBr8ht+OJnzIj58H3tYMW7MolRUg o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkUKAK3/dFGtJV2b/2dsb2JhbABPgwbBLAQDAYEGFnSCIAEBBDpPAgEqFBAyJQIEG4gMu1WPDjiCZmEDqC+BVoE2gig X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,525,1363132800"; d="scan'208";a="201410094" Received: from rcdn-core-4.cisco.com ([173.37.93.155]) by rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Apr 2013 09:21:39 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x07.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x07.cisco.com [173.36.12.81]) by rcdn-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r3M9LdhK001391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 09:21:39 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x12.cisco.com ([169.254.7.81]) by xhc-aln-x07.cisco.com ([173.36.12.81]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 04:21:38 -0500 From: "Klaas Wierenga (kwiereng)" To: "abfab@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WGLC for draft-ietf-abfab-eapapplicability-02 ends tomorrow, please cast your votes Thread-Index: AQHOPzrKkPZR8JlGbUS34WOJIZ8SMg== Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 09:21:37 +0000 Message-ID: <7E1636E02F313F4BA69A428B314B77C708B12D65@xmb-aln-x12.cisco.com> References: <3F295BEE-3638-49E9-9225-EBC3E9DFD777@cisco.com> <010801ce3588$74ed3490$5ec79db0$@augustcellars.com> <011201ce358a$dcb23ab0$9616b010$@augustcellars.com> <5165636E.3000501@mnt.se> In-Reply-To: <5165636E.3000501@mnt.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.61.103.130] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <42D407AB18A2EF4983999802B8097126@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [abfab] WGLC for draft-ietf-abfab-eapapplicability-02 ends tomorrow, please cast your votes X-BeenThere: abfab@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Application Bridging, Federated Authentication Beyond \(the web\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 09:21:41 -0000 Folks, WGLC ends tomorrow, we could do with some more "testimonies". Klaas From klaas@wierenga.net Fri Apr 26 04:52:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F6121F98E1 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 04:52:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bWiKRhxxHtgB for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 04:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out22-ams.mf.surf.net (out22-ams.mf.surf.net [145.0.1.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EEA721F98C4 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 04:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from teletubbie.het.net.je (teletubbie.het.net.je [192.87.110.29]) by outgoing1-ams.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id r3QBqjlv026370 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 13:52:45 +0200 Received: from 64-103-25-233.cisco.com ([64.103.25.233] helo=dhcp-10-61-103-184.cisco.com) by teletubbie.het.net.je with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1UVhCS-000FiU-QU for abfab@ietf.org; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 13:52:24 +0200 From: Klaas Wierenga Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <558376BB-4BB7-48B5-8825-ECBB5D808FAE@wierenga.net> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 13:52:45 +0200 To: "abfab@ietf.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-Antivirus: no malware found X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=192.87.110.29; country=NL; latitude=52.5000; longitude=5.7500; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=52.5000,5.7500&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: p-out:default (inherits from p:default,base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0uJszQJX9 - c03911e85aeb - 20130426 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) Subject: [abfab] WGLC for draft-ietf-abfab-eapapplicability-02 ended X-BeenThere: abfab@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Application Bridging, Federated Authentication Beyond \(the web\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 11:52:51 -0000 Hi, WGLC for eap-applicability has ended. At the meeting in Orlando there = was consensus on the proposed text. On list only support for publication = was expressed, with the exception of a a call for clarification about = updating RFC3748, that can be handled in IETF Last Call or just prior to = that. Therefore the chairs have decided to declare consensus on this = document. Klaas & Leif= From johnsonhammond2@hushmail.com Sat Apr 27 16:38:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A209421F979B for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 16:38:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.475 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.475 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.124, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uR6ELuw73JiU for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 16:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp10.hushmail.com (smtp10a.hushmail.com [65.39.178.239]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB9921F9818 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 16:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp10.hushmail.com (smtp10a.hushmail.com [65.39.178.239]) by smtp10.hushmail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 27A1F1B532D for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:18:20 +0000 (UTC) X-hush-relay-time: 211 X-hush-relay-id: b1bd903faba185ee07e5a0ed3a1fde37 Received: from smtp.hushmail.com (w8.hushmail.com [65.39.178.52]) by smtp10.hushmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:18:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.hushmail.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 6629E14DBDE; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:18:19 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 13:18:19 -0400 To: abfab@ietf.org From: johnsonhammond2@hushmail.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20130427171819.6629E14DBDE@smtp.hushmail.com> Subject: [abfab] Biggest Fake Conference in Computer Science X-BeenThere: abfab@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Application Bridging, Federated Authentication Beyond \(the web\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 23:38:36 -0000 Biggest Fake Conference in Computer Science We are researchers from different parts of the world and conducted a study on the world’s biggest bogus computer science conference WORLDCOMP ( http://sites.google.com/site/worlddump1 ) organized by Prof. Hamid Arabnia from University of Georgia, USA. We submitted a fake paper to WORLDCOMP 2011 and again (the same paper with a modified title) to WORLDCOMP 2012. This paper had numerous fundamental mistakes. Sample statements from that paper include: (1). Binary logic is fuzzy logic and vice versa (2). Pascal developed fuzzy logic (3). Object oriented languages do not exhibit any polymorphism or inheritance (4). TCP and IP are synonyms and are part of OSI model (5). Distributed systems deal with only one computer (6). Laptop is an example for a super computer (7). Operating system is an example for computer hardware Also, our paper did not express any conceptual meaning. However, it was accepted both the times without any modifications (and without any reviews) and we were invited to submit the final paper and a payment of $500+ fee to present the paper. We decided to use the fee for better purposes than making Prof. Hamid Arabnia (Chairman of WORLDCOMP) rich. After that, we received few reminders from WORLDCOMP to pay the fee but we never responded. We MUST say that you should look at the above website if you have any thoughts to submit a paper to WORLDCOMP. DBLP and other indexing agencies have stopped indexing WORLDCOMP’s proceedings since 2011 due to its fakeness. See http://www.informatik.uni-trier.de/~ley/db/conf/icai/index.html for of one of the conferences of WORLDCOMP and notice that there is no listing after 2010. See Section 2 of http://sites.google.com/site/dumpconf for comments from well-known researchers about WORLDCOMP. The status of your WORLDCOMP papers can be changed from scientific to other (i.e., junk or non-technical) at any time. Better not to have a paper than having it in WORLDCOMP and spoil the resume and peace of mind forever! Our study revealed that WORLDCOMP is a money making business, using University of Georgia mask, for Prof. Hamid Arabnia. He is throwing out a small chunk of that money (around 20 dollars per paper published in WORLDCOMP’s proceedings) to his puppet (Mr. Ashu Solo or A.M.G. Solo) who publicizes WORLDCOMP and also defends it at various forums, using fake/anonymous names. The puppet uses fake names and defames other conferences to divert traffic to WORLDCOMP. He also makes anonymous phone calls and tries to threaten the critiques of WORLDCOMP (See Item 7 of Section 5 of above website). That is, the puppet does all his best to get a maximum number of papers published at WORLDCOMP to get more money into his (and Prof. Hamid Arabnia’s) pockets. Monte Carlo Resort (the venue of WORLDCOMP for more than 10 years, until 2012) has refused to provide the venue for WORLDCOMP’13 because of the fears of their image being tarnished due to WORLDCOMP’s fraudulent activities. That is why WORLDCOMP’13 is taking place at a different resort. WORLDCOMP will not be held after 2013. The draft paper submission deadline is over but still there are no committee members, no reviewers, and there is no conference Chairman. The only contact details available on WORLDCOMP’s website is just an email address! Let us make a direct request to Prof. Hamid arabnia: publish all reviews for all the papers (after blocking identifiable details) since 2000 conference. Reveal the names and affiliations of all the reviewers (for each year) and how many papers each reviewer had reviewed on average. We also request him to look at the Open Challenge (Section 6) at https://sites.google.com/site/moneycomp1 Sorry for posting to multiple lists. Spreading the word is the only way to stop this bogus conference. Please forward this message to other mailing lists and people. We are shocked with Prof. Hamid Arabnia and his puppet’s activities http://worldcomp-fake-bogus.blogspot.com Search Google using the keyword worldcomp fake for additional links. From leifj@sunet.se Mon Apr 29 07:41:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C870521F9872 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:41:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.98 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.98 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cNmAg+s83mGb for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from e-mailfilter02.sunet.se (e-mailfilter02.sunet.se [IPv6:2001:6b0:8:2::202]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38C421F9855 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.nordu.net (smtp1.nordu.net [IPv6:2001:948:4:6::32]) by e-mailfilter02.sunet.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id r3TEfGj8009177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:41:17 +0200 Received: from kerio.nordu.net (kerio.nordu.net [109.105.110.42]) by smtp1.nordu.net (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r3TEfD9d015485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 14:41:16 GMT Received: from [10.33.3.150] ([212.247.15.226]) (authenticated user leifj@nordu.net) by kerio.nordu.net (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES256-SHA (256 bits)) for abfab@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:41:12 +0200 Message-ID: <517E8687.2070205@sunet.se> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:41:11 +0200 From: Leif Johansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "abfab@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-p0f-Info: os=unknown unknown, link=Ethernet or modem X-CanIt-Geo: ip=109.105.110.42; country=SE; latitude=62.0000; longitude=15.0000; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=62.0000,15.0000&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: outbound-nordu-net:outbound (inherits from outbound-nordu-net:default, nordu-net:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0aJtOFhUX - 51372600dd59 - 20130429 X-Antispam-Training-Forget: https://mailfilter.nordu.net/canit/b.php?i=0aJtOFhUX&m=51372600dd59&t=20130429&c=f X-Antispam-Training-Nonspam: https://mailfilter.nordu.net/canit/b.php?i=0aJtOFhUX&m=51372600dd59&t=20130429&c=n X-Antispam-Training-Spam: https://mailfilter.nordu.net/canit/b.php?i=0aJtOFhUX&m=51372600dd59&t=20130429&c=s X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) Subject: [abfab] (not) scheduling in Berlin? X-BeenThere: abfab@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Application Bridging, Federated Authentication Beyond \(the web\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 14:41:22 -0000 We've just had (negative) confirmation from the folks that might have been able to work on AAA/Diameter for abfab. This means that a large portion of our outstanding work has no takers and the chairs will work with the ADs to drop this deliverable from our charter (all in accordance with consensus from the last IETF meeting). This begs the question: do we need to meet in Berlin? As things are, we are finishing the eap appl. statement, which unlocks a bunch of stuff on the RFC editors q eventually. This leaves us talking about AAA SAML and the architecture draft in Berlin. Is there enough meat to chew there? Cheers Leif From hartmans@painless-security.com Mon Apr 29 07:44:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4669B21F9E4C for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:44:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OCPr2+8GLq7o for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.painless-security.com (mail.painless-security.com [23.30.188.241]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2717521F9E5E for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.painless-security.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417DD2027D; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.painless-security.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.suchdamage.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6yvOLw5iqBam; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (c-98-216-0-82.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [98.216.0.82]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "laptop", Issuer "laptop" (not verified)) by mail.painless-security.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (Postfix, from userid 8042) id 5A6EE4499; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:44:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Hartman To: Leif Johansson References: <517E8687.2070205@sunet.se> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:44:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: <517E8687.2070205@sunet.se> (Leif Johansson's message of "Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:41:11 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110009 (No Gnus v0.9) Emacs/22.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: "abfab@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [abfab] (not) scheduling in Berlin? X-BeenThere: abfab@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Application Bridging, Federated Authentication Beyond \(the web\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 14:44:22 -0000 I'd recommend requesting a 1.5 hour session to discuss aaa-saml, and arch. If we end up canceling because we're already done, that would be fine, but it would be unfortunate not to have the time on the agenda. OK, guess I should go give you an answer on usability draft reviews:-) From leifj@mnt.se Mon Apr 29 07:48:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: abfab@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5917321F9E73 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:48:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.98 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.98 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nSEcGGLHAjSY for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f180.google.com (mail-lb0-f180.google.com [209.85.217.180]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEBD121F9E39 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f180.google.com with SMTP id v1so963484lbd.25 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:48:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=dUuA/NoBcobDSNd6mFr01VR4PZzw0OxOyRixeg919UM=; b=nF+cByRK+jfk9tBs2/Ut9IniFMHz2+MHe6nvFCtQtZ0mZl6nNkWYIDW1FdhA5LNVML NwDTPhpzp4AzWDBWon21zJvL2yX4wPXmfMR4mwNablrYXtSyzI+hBe5JP5dIxjiQJJV7 lmGybDPC1vLv7MzLip9oJ0I9aBi8zL2GL9srWTjr9NgEB3b9Fz+SNnJoYILP483H6z8l kT2qfJpFxX4hec2/VqhU5sFGVk5kyg6a7dBjC5JxBMg/vSw5Jki6I+o3TM+fMpvy9EU/ 1KUmkifcPCtHhONG8B3OEtNLjCRWfD7OuVr9tVCku29u/OmYeXGOmtI7c2iBbiPH/aNS U5Lg== X-Received: by 10.112.190.6 with SMTP id gm6mr27009711lbc.41.1367246886607; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.33.3.150] ([212.247.15.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id t17sm9548158lbd.11.2013.04.29.07.48.04 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <517E8823.3050404@mnt.se> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:48:03 +0200 From: Leif Johansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: abfab@ietf.org References: <517E8687.2070205@sunet.se> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmoHSo3NUeafhCPka2OMJAvqZ7t/XXjSqmcpBJhR55Ya2ut9o825ZElpR1VSEocFBhhaLeV Subject: Re: [abfab] (not) scheduling in Berlin? X-BeenThere: abfab@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Application Bridging, Federated Authentication Beyond \(the web\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 14:48:53 -0000 On 04/29/2013 04:44 PM, Sam Hartman wrote: > I'd recommend requesting a 1.5 hour session to discuss aaa-saml, and > arch. If we end up canceling because we're already done, that would be > fine, but it would be unfortunate not to have the time on the agenda. > > OK, guess I should go give you an answer on usability draft reviews:-) > Thx for the quick reply! Others?