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From: "Grajzer, Monika" <mgrajzer@telcordia.com>
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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 09:03:49 -0500
Subject: [Autoconf] draft-grajzer-autoconf-ndpp-00.txt
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Dear all,

I am a new member of this WG. I would like to propose a solution for enhanc=
ed Duplicate Address Detection in MANETs based on extended Neighbor Discove=
ry protocol.
I submitted a draft document presenting details of the approach, which is a=
vailable here:
http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-grajzer-autoconf-ndpp-00.txt

I would be happy to receive your comments.
With best regards

Monika

Monika Grajzer
Research Scientist
Telcordia Poland Sp. z o.o.
ul. Umultowska 85
61-614 Pozna=F1
Poland
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Dear all,

I am a new member of this WG. I would like to propose a solution for enhanc=
ed Duplicate Address Detection in MANETs based on extended Neighbor Discove=
ry protocol.
I submitted a draft document presenting details of the approach, which is a=
vailable here:
http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-grajzer-autoconf-ndpp-00.txt

I would be happy to receive your comments.
With best regards

Monika

Monika Grajzer
Research Scientist
Telcordia Poland Sp. z o.o.
ul. Umultowska 85
61-614 Pozna=F1
Poland


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Dear all,

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seems wrong with the previous ones. I hope this one will be ok.

I am a new member of this WG. I would like to propose a solution for enhanc=
ed Duplicate Address Detection in MANETs based on extended Neighbor Discove=
ry protocol.
I submitted a draft document presenting details of the approach, which is a=
vailable here:
http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-grajzer-autoconf-ndpp-00.txt

I would be very happy to receive your comments.
With best regards

Monika

Monika Grajzer
Research Scientist
Telcordia Poland Sp. z o.o.
ul. Umultowska 85
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Dear all,

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seems wrong with the previous ones. I hope this one will be ok.

I am a new member of this WG. I would like to propose a solution for enhanc=
ed Duplicate Address Detection in MANETs based on extended Neighbor Discove=
ry protocol.
I submitted a draft document presenting details of the approach, which is a=
vailable here:

http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-grajzer-autoconf-ndpp-00.txt=20

I would be very happy to receive your comments.
With best regards

Monika

Monika Grajzer
Research Scientist
Telcordia Poland Sp. z o.o.
ul. Umultowska 85
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I guess there is no Autoconf meeting?

Thanks, Teco


Op 11 jan 2011, om 05:40 heeft Ryuji Wakikawa het volgende geschreven:

> Hi all,
>=20
> After rechartering, we are ready for discussions.=20
> Does anybody plan to submit IDs related to AUTOCONF WG charter items?
>=20
> If you plan to submit ID, can you contact to chairs (thomas and I) =
even before submission.
> We need to know the number of related IDs before requesting a slot in =
Prague meeting.
>=20
> thanks,
> ryuji


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Last time I checked, there is indeed no autoconf meeting this time around.
Emmanuel

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Teco Boot <teco@inf-net.nl> wrote:

> I guess there is no Autoconf meeting?
>
> Thanks, Teco
>
>
> Op 11 jan 2011, om 05:40 heeft Ryuji Wakikawa het volgende geschreven:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > After rechartering, we are ready for discussions.
> > Does anybody plan to submit IDs related to AUTOCONF WG charter items?
> >
> > If you plan to submit ID, can you contact to chairs (thomas and I) even
> before submission.
> > We need to know the number of related IDs before requesting a slot in
> Prague meeting.
> >
> > thanks,
> > ryuji
>
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Thanks, Teco<br>
<br>
<br>
Op 11 jan 2011, om 05:40 heeft Ryuji Wakikawa het volgende geschreven:<br>
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</div><div class=3D"im">&gt; Hi all,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; After rechartering, we are ready for discussions.<br>
&gt; Does anybody plan to submit IDs related to AUTOCONF WG charter items?<=
br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; If you plan to submit ID, can you contact to chairs (thomas and I) eve=
n before submission.<br>
&gt; We need to know the number of related IDs before requesting a slot in =
Prague meeting.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; thanks,<br>
&gt; ryuji<br>
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Hi all,

We decided not to have a meeting in Prague.=20
sorry for this last min notice.

thanks,
ryuji


On 2011/03/25, at 11:16, Emmanuel Baccelli wrote:

> Last time I checked, there is indeed no autoconf meeting this time =
around.
> Emmanuel
>=20
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Teco Boot <teco@inf-net.nl> wrote:
> I guess there is no Autoconf meeting?
>=20
> Thanks, Teco
>=20
>=20
> Op 11 jan 2011, om 05:40 heeft Ryuji Wakikawa het volgende geschreven:
>=20
>> Hi all,
>>=20
>> After rechartering, we are ready for discussions.
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>>=20
>> If you plan to submit ID, can you contact to chairs (thomas and I) =
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>> We need to know the number of related IDs before requesting a slot in =
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>>=20
>> thanks,
>> ryuji
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I have looked at the discussions on the list (or lack thereof). I also 
cannot see too many internet drafts on the topics belonging to the 
group's charter. I am very happy with the RFC that has been produced by 
the working group, but we also seem to have some actual protocol work 
happening elsewhere (e.g., in the context of the ROLL WG).

I discussed this matter with the chairs and my co-AD, and we are 
wondering if it would be time to close the working group. I do know that 
there is at least one implementation team that is still in the process 
of describing their DHCP-based solution, maybe there are similar efforts 
on the distributed solution space. My proposal is that we close the 
working group and I'be VERY happy to AD sponsor all such solutions to 
Experimental RFCs as soon as we have those proposals in some reasonable 
shape.

Thoughts?

Jari


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Hi Jari,

thanks for the help on RFC5889, it was tough, but at least we finally got
somewhere.
If my help is deemed useful for some document to come in this realm, let me
know. I'll be glad contribute.

A side note: if we are to close the working group, do you think it would be
useful for the record to publish
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-baccelli-multi-hop-wireless-communication-05?

After all, this document was extensively discussed, there was a rough
consensus in the
the WG about it, and its content may be useful to designers and implementers
down the line.
Any thoughts about this?

Regards,

Emmanuel



On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> wrote:

> I have looked at the discussions on the list (or lack thereof). I also
> cannot see too many internet drafts on the topics belonging to the group's
> charter. I am very happy with the RFC that has been produced by the working
> group, but we also seem to have some actual protocol work happening
> elsewhere (e.g., in the context of the ROLL WG).
>
> I discussed this matter with the chairs and my co-AD, and we are wondering
> if it would be time to close the working group. I do know that there is at
> least one implementation team that is still in the process of describing
> their DHCP-based solution, maybe there are similar efforts on the
> distributed solution space. My proposal is that we close the working group
> and I'be VERY happy to AD sponsor all such solutions to Experimental RFCs as
> soon as we have those proposals in some reasonable shape.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Jari
>
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Hi Jari,<div><br><div>thanks for the help on RFC5889, it was tough, but at =
least we finally got somewhere.</div><div>If my help is deemed useful for s=
ome document to come in this realm, let me know. I&#39;ll be glad contribut=
e.</div>

<div><br></div><div>A side note: if we are to close the working group, do y=
ou think it would be useful for the record to publish</div><div><a href=3D"=
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-baccelli-multi-hop-wireless-communication-=
05">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-baccelli-multi-hop-wireless-communicat=
ion-05</a> ?</div>

<div><br></div><div>After all, this document was extensively discussed, the=
re was a rough consensus in the</div><div>the WG about it, and its content =
may be useful to designers and implementers down the line.</div><div>Any th=
oughts about this?</div>

<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Emmanuel</div><div><b=
r></div><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 8:4=
8 AM, Jari Arkko <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.n=
et">jari.arkko@piuha.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">I have lo=
oked at the discussions on the list (or lack thereof). I also cannot see to=
o many internet drafts on the topics belonging to the group&#39;s charter. =
I am very happy with the RFC that has been produced by the working group, b=
ut we also seem to have some actual protocol work happening elsewhere (e.g.=
, in the context of the ROLL WG).<br>


<br>
I discussed this matter with the chairs and my co-AD, and we are wondering =
if it would be time to close the working group. I do know that there is at =
least one implementation team that is still in the process of describing th=
eir DHCP-based solution, maybe there are similar efforts on the distributed=
 solution space. My proposal is that we close the working group and I&#39;b=
e VERY happy to AD sponsor all such solutions to Experimental RFCs as soon =
as we have those proposals in some reasonable shape.<br>


<br>
Thoughts?<br>
<br>
Jari<br>
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I apologize for having fun manually configuring IPv4 MANET nodes,
that have access to the Internet through this wonderful NAT mechanism.
Great experience having broken connectivity during demonstrations,=20
due to complete out of sync translation and forwarding tables. No
other work would better show a need for IPv6 MANETs and Autoconf.
And put IPv4 and NAPT to historic.

Meanwhile, I posted some more material on BRDP:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boot-brdp-framework
I didn't find cycles yet to update BRDP with new charter. It will come.

I agree that Autoconf activity is extremely low. But seen the=20
fact having a new charter took 6 months, why having a 3 month slot for
making a judgement on closing the WG?

Maybe we could park the WG, and evaluate liveliness by 6 months or so.
This means no meetings, but having a chance to do some work.

Teco.


Op 29 mrt 2011, om 08:48 heeft Jari Arkko het volgende geschreven:

> I have looked at the discussions on the list (or lack thereof). I also =
cannot see too many internet drafts on the topics belonging to the =
group's charter. I am very happy with the RFC that has been produced by =
the working group, but we also seem to have some actual protocol work =
happening elsewhere (e.g., in the context of the ROLL WG).
>=20
> I discussed this matter with the chairs and my co-AD, and we are =
wondering if it would be time to close the working group. I do know that =
there is at least one implementation team that is still in the process =
of describing their DHCP-based solution, maybe there are similar efforts =
on the distributed solution space. My proposal is that we close the =
working group and I'be VERY happy to AD sponsor all such solutions to =
Experimental RFCs as soon as we have those proposals in some reasonable =
shape.
>=20
> Thoughts?
>=20
> Jari
>=20
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