From btns-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 1 15:31:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: btns-archive-wadah9oh@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-btns-archive-waDah9Oh@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC483A6C1C for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 15:31:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Welcome to the "btns" mailing list From: btns-request@ietf.org To: btns-archive-wadah9oh@lists.ietf.org X-No-Archive: yes Message-ID: Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:31:15 -0700 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: btns@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: Better-Than-Nothing-Security Working Group discussion list X-List-Administrivia: yes Sender: btns-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: btns-bounces@ietf.org Welcome to the btns@ietf.org mailing list! 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From btns-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 2 02:15:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: btns-archive-wadah9oh@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-btns-archive-waDah9Oh@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD8983A6B8C; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 02:15:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: btns@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: btns@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E1203A6B8C for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 02:15:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dQxc6nkNNnjf for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 02:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.190]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF3A3A6845 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 02:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 18so257121fkq.5 for ; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:15:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id:sender; bh=Mn7Ql0AdDLFVTsyAOj8IptcTZOQ3jFZ+E67jDK5ngLw=; b=S892iKXOG8BEKrzl1uTXhtpngrJvYkfIDoQy53AKOmEo7aAiOz+zkCO6zn1/e+zyiP GBdF2f+Gq7bXwdTnexHLTsihuPCBvRvMNZtlwfWQyA+1XgVSyZ1LNTmRuWnzQPKaMUQS lwf73zlbxXLMV2eb/2pr1nZfpB5Vqr1fByX5c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:message-id:sender; b=if6BWdPP4nwYoQ9c0MmNcOpxNUyE9Kg4LZnU3NTN7Bn3M35QKMDBCDjAFkuzZi0Bv0 AuWiSc4oE68ibKHOT++LdWlD0xFYTOZ7n5bfZxqNRCKXJoJ2BDESK6hxE+off7lwNzrY zUYn7Vmm7JFFq3OYV2t8QycZml/mqdnWIlE6Q= Received: by 10.78.204.7 with SMTP id b7mr1935677hug.5.1214990135425; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from klee.local ( [212.119.9.178]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 40sm6920819hue.40.2008.07.02.02.15.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:15:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Julien Laganier To: btns@ietf.org, anonsec@postel.org Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:15:31 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <200806181834.05277.julien.IETF@laposte.net> In-Reply-To: <200806181834.05277.julien.IETF@laposte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807021115.31436.julien.IETF@laposte.net> Subject: [btns] ML moved to btns@ietf.org X-BeenThere: btns@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Better-Than-Nothing-Security Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: btns-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: btns-bounces@ietf.org Folks, We're the happy owner of a new mailing list -- btns@ietf.org. = >From now on, please use this mailing list for BTNS discussions. All subscribers of the anonsec@postel.org mailing list should have been = subscribed to the new one, btns@ietf.org, and received a welcome = message. If that hasn't happened, please get yourself subscribed to the = new mailing list: =A0 The mailing list archive will be moved in the near future. --julien, BTNS co-chair On Wednesday 18 June 2008, Julien Laganier wrote: > Folks, > > The BTNS mailing list will be moved from postel.org to ietf.org in > the near future. > > Current subscribers will be automatically subscribed to the new list > and you'll be notified by the mailing list daemon. You will probably > need to update your mail filters configuration to reflect that > change. > > We'll keep you updated with the progress of the move. > > --julien & love, BTNS chairs > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ btns mailing list btns@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/btns From anonsec-bounces@postel.org Wed Jul 2 02:33:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-btns-archive-waDah9Oh@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-btns-archive-waDah9Oh@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 722E13A6C1D for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 02:33:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.524 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.524 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6XBTIGVWK6L7 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 02:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516513A6C14 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 02:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boreas.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m629KYfc028813; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 02:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.185]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m629Fa86026403 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 02:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 26so242775fkx.13 for ; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:15:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id:sender; bh=Mn7Ql0AdDLFVTsyAOj8IptcTZOQ3jFZ+E67jDK5ngLw=; b=S892iKXOG8BEKrzl1uTXhtpngrJvYkfIDoQy53AKOmEo7aAiOz+zkCO6zn1/e+zyiP GBdF2f+Gq7bXwdTnexHLTsihuPCBvRvMNZtlwfWQyA+1XgVSyZ1LNTmRuWnzQPKaMUQS lwf73zlbxXLMV2eb/2pr1nZfpB5Vqr1fByX5c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:message-id:sender; b=if6BWdPP4nwYoQ9c0MmNcOpxNUyE9Kg4LZnU3NTN7Bn3M35QKMDBCDjAFkuzZi0Bv0 AuWiSc4oE68ibKHOT++LdWlD0xFYTOZ7n5bfZxqNRCKXJoJ2BDESK6hxE+off7lwNzrY zUYn7Vmm7JFFq3OYV2t8QycZml/mqdnWIlE6Q= Received: by 10.78.204.7 with SMTP id b7mr1935677hug.5.1214990135425; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from klee.local ( [212.119.9.178]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 40sm6920819hue.40.2008.07.02.02.15.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:15:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Julien Laganier To: btns@ietf.org, anonsec@postel.org Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:15:31 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <200806181834.05277.julien.IETF@laposte.net> In-Reply-To: <200806181834.05277.julien.IETF@laposte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807021115.31436.julien.IETF@laposte.net> X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: julien.laganier@gmail.com X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by boreas.isi.edu id m629Fa86026403 Cc: Love =?iso-8859-15?q?=C5strand?= Subject: [anonsec] ML moved to btns@ietf.org X-BeenThere: anonsec@postel.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions of anonymous Internet security." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: anonsec-bounces@postel.org Errors-To: anonsec-bounces@postel.org Folks, We're the happy owner of a new mailing list -- btns@ietf.org. = >From now on, please use this mailing list for BTNS discussions. All subscribers of the anonsec@postel.org mailing list should have been = subscribed to the new one, btns@ietf.org, and received a welcome = message. If that hasn't happened, please get yourself subscribed to the = new mailing list: =A0 The mailing list archive will be moved in the near future. --julien, BTNS co-chair On Wednesday 18 June 2008, Julien Laganier wrote: > Folks, > > The BTNS mailing list will be moved from postel.org to ietf.org in > the near future. > > Current subscribers will be automatically subscribed to the new list > and you'll be notified by the mailing list daemon. You will probably > need to update your mail filters configuration to reflect that > change. > > We'll keep you updated with the progress of the move. > > --julien & love, BTNS chairs > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ From btns-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 4 02:17:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: btns-archive-1@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-btns-archive-1@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0E73A6B45; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 02:17:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: btns@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: btns@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03B83A6B3B for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 02:17:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0KXEt0M6nWIO for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 02:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.188]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A73EA3A6B68 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 02:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 18so842330fkq.5 for ; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 02:17:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id:sender; bh=LewugW6ODue0aRDwJnN1b4/oRiWxIe+7erU+Yorln7g=; b=OPddz+736/bKCsXg2m43d3rs8u6wFVN5JDGzWBuWeVVX2dJfFkCfil9T2NZOcUXq+u 64zmsOrw6TEVNVGOxF+tLEJ9Znehz+fGbK2DWG4L0vSiuTvTGukhrt5OJLlldFHBdIxj MvtXVx9LBX1npZl32NEcS4+Jt63b7Jgt2tyys= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:message-id:sender; b=IvU5Udk2ntwnGX2NaaqoNSdAhtbY+mGLpYvBO2d2t1vKFPhPtUdoucMnxIpn4ecXVR Y/4mpNhlzmO5Jy/Khzz4Vq3+/gH8LCijB2sGe92AHYcIlANvhJrubSq5iHU3O8XC/2a7 H6xSdIztmrfG0X4ubWHOc5rm6UcKbk7Fgh1Qw= Received: by 10.78.185.15 with SMTP id i15mr294034huf.40.1215163031917; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 02:17:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from klee.local ( [212.119.9.178]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 39sm72548hug.5.2008.07.04.02.17.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 04 Jul 2008 02:17:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Julien Laganier To: anonsec@postel.org, btns@ietf.org Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 11:08:34 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <200806181834.05277.julien.IETF@laposte.net> <200807021115.31436.julien.IETF@laposte.net> In-Reply-To: <200807021115.31436.julien.IETF@laposte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807041108.35031.julien.IETF@laposte.net> Cc: Ilene Marlett Subject: Re: [btns] ML moved to btns@ietf.org X-BeenThere: btns@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Better-Than-Nothing-Security Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: btns-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: btns-bounces@ietf.org Folks, Mailing list migration is complete! The archives have been moved. = Special thanks to AMSL staff, notably Ilene Marlett, and Joe touch at = ISI for the swift handling of the ML move. --julien, BTNS co-chair On Wednesday 02 July 2008, Julien Laganier wrote: > Folks, > > We're the happy owner of a new mailing list -- btns@ietf.org. > > >From now on, please use this mailing list for BTNS discussions. > > All subscribers of the anonsec@postel.org mailing list should have > been subscribed to the new one, btns@ietf.org, and received a welcome > message. If that hasn't happened, please get yourself subscribed to > the new mailing list: > > =A0 > > The mailing list archive will be moved in the near future. > > --julien, BTNS co-chair > > On Wednesday 18 June 2008, Julien Laganier wrote: > > Folks, > > > > The BTNS mailing list will be moved from postel.org to ietf.org in > > the near future. > > > > Current subscribers will be automatically subscribed to the new > > list and you'll be notified by the mailing list daemon. You will > > probably need to update your mail filters configuration to reflect > > that change. > > > > We'll keep you updated with the progress of the move. > > > > --julien & love, BTNS chairs > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ btns mailing list btns@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/btns From btns-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 10 11:27:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: btns-archive-1@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-btns-archive-1@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65CC13A6A1A; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:27:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: btns@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: btns@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 925163A67A3 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:27:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OQJ9kfYV0xEi for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexforward.lss.emc.com (mexforward.lss.emc.com [128.222.32.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88AC13A6967 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.lss.emc.com (uraeus.lss.emc.com [10.254.144.14]) by mexforward.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id m6AIRREF024296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com (corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com [10.254.64.53]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id m6AIR640002873 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:27:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Black_David@emc.com Received: from CORPUSMX80A.corp.emc.com ([10.254.89.202]) by corpussmtp3.corp.emc.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:27:19 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:27:19 -0400 Message-ID: <9FA859626025B64FBC2AF149D97C944A0C85A0@CORPUSMX80A.corp.emc.com> In-Reply-To: <20080708233001.8BD5D3A6AB4@core3.amsl.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-btns-prob-and-applic-07.txt Thread-Index: AcjhUxmZJ8BsHtsrTq6yffRKvXVWQgBZvkJA References: <20080708233001.8BD5D3A6AB4@core3.amsl.com> To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2008 18:27:19.0719 (UTC) FILETIME=[96859370:01C8E2BA] Subject: Re: [btns] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-btns-prob-and-applic-07.txt X-BeenThere: btns@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Better-Than-Nothing-Security Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: btns-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: btns-bounces@ietf.org The changes in this version of the PS/AS draft primarily respond to Steve Kent's IETF last call comments. Due to the extensive nature of the changes, I believe the WG chairs plan to hold another WG Last Call. On behalf of the draft authors, I apologize for the delay in producing this draft revision. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Distinguished Engineer EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:30 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: anonsec@postel.org > Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-btns-prob-and-applic-07.txt > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Better-Than-Nothing Security > Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Problem and Applicability Statement > for Better Than Nothing Security (BTNS) > Author(s) : J. Touch, D. Black, Y. Wang > Filename : draft-ietf-btns-prob-and-applic-07.txt > Pages : 30 > Date : 2008-7-8 > > The Internet network security protocol suite, IPsec, requires > authentication, usually of network layer entities, to enable access > control and provide security services. This authentication can be > based on mechanisms such as pre-shared symmetric keys, certificates > with associated asymmetric keys, or the use of Kerberos (via KINK). > The need to deploy authentication information and its associated > identities can be a significant obstacle to the use of IPsec. > > This document explains the rationale for extending the Internet > network security protocol suite to enable use of IPsec security > services without authentication. These extensions are intended to > protect communication, providing "better than nothing security" > (BTNS). The extensions may be used on their own (this use called > Stand Alone BTNS, or SAB), or may be used to provide network layer > security that can be authenticated by higher layers in the protocol > stack (this use is called Channel-Bound BTNS, or CBB). The document > also explains situations for which use of SAB and/or CBB extensions > are applicable. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-btns-prob-and-applic-07.t xt > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. > _______________________________________________ btns mailing list btns@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/btns From btns-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 01:28:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: btns-archive-1@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-btns-archive-1@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D8D3A6B3E; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:28:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: btns@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: btns@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE563A6AF8 for ; 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Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:30:01 -0700 (PDT) To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080708233001.8BD5D3A6AB4@core3.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:30:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list X-me-spamlevel: not-spam X-me-spamrating: 40.000000 X-me-spamcause: OK, (-80)(0000)fghrlhcuvffnffculddvtddmneforghilhhinhhgnfhishhtucdlqddutddtmd X-me-spamwebmail: HAM X-UID: 70807 X-Length: 4725 From: julien.laganier@gmail.com X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:28:48 -0700 Cc: anonsec@postel.org Subject: [btns] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-btns-prob-and-applic-07.txt X-BeenThere: btns@ietf.org Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org List-Id: Better-Than-Nothing-Security Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: btns-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: btns-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Better-Than-Nothing Security Working Group of the IETF. Title : Problem and Applicability Statement for Better Than Nothing Security (BTNS) Author(s) : J. Touch, D. Black, Y. Wang Filename : draft-ietf-btns-prob-and-applic-07.txt Pages : 30 Date : 2008-7-8 The Internet network security protocol suite, IPsec, requires authentication, usually of network layer entities, to enable access control and provide security services. This authentication can be based on mechanisms such as pre-shared symmetric keys, certificates with associated asymmetric keys, or the use of Kerberos (via KINK). The need to deploy authentication information and its associated identities can be a significant obstacle to the use of IPsec. This document explains the rationale for extending the Internet network security protocol suite to enable use of IPsec security services without authentication. These extensions are intended to protect communication, providing "better than nothing security" (BTNS). The extensions may be used on their own (this use called Stand Alone BTNS, or SAB), or may be used to provide network layer security that can be authenticated by higher layers in the protocol stack (this use is called Channel-Bound BTNS, or CBB). The document also explains situations for which use of SAB and/or CBB extensions are applicable. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-btns-prob-and-applic-07.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-btns-prob-and-applic-07.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-7-8162429.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ btns mailing list btns@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/btns --NextPart-- From btns-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 05:25:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: btns-archive-1@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-btns-archive-1@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1693A6A31; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 05:25:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: btns@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: btns@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14C13A6B4C for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 05:25:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qG-iwjju71fs for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 05:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.184]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 470153A68BA for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 05:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 18so3454405fkq.5 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 05:26:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id:sender; bh=erEk3cYoUMnOjq6WckdOscseBZKxlfqtbdJUBsMCg7E=; b=iadUScfEN2+6sjRoUIEfMSP08YqJ1btauPgRPE6gECfNITAFIhP//Ui6zIAcf87A8H 7HpXmPxJwz/6SkckQEEnwO1VvCf7wlrWWWBebS/PGMK/aHcZSPjGqETjuU/oLrZKP0ez z3F15u6liEt1xha1kPcO61qJg/8Al15m7oTJQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:message-id:sender; b=nF7DhAqE4CfK9kR/3qPoaOk1fakwiPdaQh65CbtuE1t3KDPHUhdq7WPB/r97FdhIrv jgJzqNKM8MD/CJYXVfkLh/Apb1w97knYdOAsZpXnoiUtvE9m5uJ9Tl70vOVFow+ydQLS HfnAwr6+9zCPZxJZVCA26tVlYNJ3cGS+AWgB4= Received: by 10.187.238.1 with SMTP id p1mr1595423far.67.1216211168759; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 05:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from klee.local ( [212.119.9.178]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm1612768hub.11.2008.07.16.05.26.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 05:26:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Julien Laganier To: btns@ietf.org Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:26:07 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <20080708233001.8BD5D3A6AB4@core3.amsl.com> <9FA859626025B64FBC2AF149D97C944A0C85A0@CORPUSMX80A.corp.emc.com> In-Reply-To: <9FA859626025B64FBC2AF149D97C944A0C85A0@CORPUSMX80A.corp.emc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807161426.08261.julien.IETF@laposte.net> Cc: Tim Polk , Black_David@emc.com Subject: Re: [btns] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-btns-prob-and-applic-07.txt X-BeenThere: btns@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Better-Than-Nothing-Security Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: btns-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: btns-bounces@ietf.org Folks, As David hinted below, we're issuing another 2 weeks WG last call ('til July 30th) before returning this draft to our AD. --julien, BTNS co-chair On Thursday 10 July 2008, Black_David@emc.com wrote: > The changes in this version of the PS/AS draft primarily respond to > Steve Kent's IETF last call comments. Due to the extensive nature > of the changes, I believe the WG chairs plan to hold another WG > Last Call. On behalf of the draft authors, I apologize for the > delay in producing this draft revision. > > Thanks, > --David > ---------------------------------------------------- > David L. Black, Distinguished Engineer > EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 > +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 > black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org > > [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > > Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:30 PM > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > Cc: anonsec@postel.org > > Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-btns-prob-and-applic-07.txt > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > > directories. > > This draft is a work item of the Better-Than-Nothing Security > > Working Group of the IETF. > > > > Title : Problem and Applicability Statement > > for Better Than Nothing Security (BTNS) > > Author(s) : J. Touch, D. Black, Y. Wang > > Filename : draft-ietf-btns-prob-and-applic-07.txt > > Pages : 30 > > Date : 2008-7-8 > > > > The Internet network security protocol suite, IPsec, requires > > authentication, usually of network layer entities, to enable > > access > > > > control and provide security services. This authentication can > > be based on mechanisms such as pre-shared symmetric keys, > > certificates > > > > with associated asymmetric keys, or the use of Kerberos (via > > KINK). > > > The need to deploy authentication information and its associated > > identities can be a significant obstacle to the use of IPsec. > > > > This document explains the rationale for extending the Internet > > network security protocol suite to enable use of IPsec security > > services without authentication. These extensions are intended > > to protect communication, providing "better than nothing security" > > (BTNS). The extensions may be used on their own (this use called > > Stand Alone BTNS, or SAB), or may be used to provide network layer > > security that can be authenticated by higher layers in the protocol > > > > stack (this use is called Channel-Bound BTNS, or CBB). The > > document > > > > also explains situations for which use of SAB and/or CBB > > extensions > > > > are applicable. > > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-btns-prob-and-applic-0 >7.t xt > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > > Internet-Draft. > > _______________________________________________ > btns mailing list > btns@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/btns _______________________________________________ btns mailing list btns@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/btns From btns-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 10:28:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: btns-archive-1@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-btns-archive-1@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B02328C2B1; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:28:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: btns@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: btns@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 029CE28C2AD for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:28:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.185 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ExCeZziAtQNi for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from deprox.docomolab-euro.com (deprox.docomolab-euro.com [212.119.9.186]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28D328C2AB for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by deprox.docomolab-euro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D5361703E; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:28:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from deprox.docomolab-euro.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (deprox.docomolab-euro.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uOc68xMDGPBq; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:28:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from DEMAIL.docomolab-euro.com (demail.docomolab-euro.com [172.27.20.3]) by deprox.docomolab-euro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:28:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.99.44] ([192.168.99.44]) by DEMAIL.docomolab-euro.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:28:19 +0200 Message-ID: <4891F638.3000504@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:28:24 +0200 From: Julien Laganier User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: btns@ietf.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 17:28:19.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[D30DA3E0:01C8F332] Cc: lha@stacken.kth.se Subject: [btns] BTNS AS/PS back in IESG X-BeenThere: btns@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Better-Than-Nothing-Security Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: btns-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: btns-bounces@ietf.org Folks, Since no objection were raised w.r.t. to the update of BTNS AS/PS draft addressing Steve Kent LC comments, the BTNS AS/PS draft is back in IESG for AD review. --julien & love, BTNS chairs _______________________________________________ btns mailing list btns@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/btns