From timhare@comcast.net Mon Sep 12 04:28:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: calsify@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: calsify@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E96121F8AFA for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 04:28:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.300, BAYES_50=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pjyg6ZNXOYk0 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 04:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F3021F8AF8 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 04:28:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id XnPb1h0030mv7h05FnWJ89; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:30:18 +0000 Received: from THARE ([71.203.98.77]) by omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id XnWH1h0011gAkVz3XnWHld; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:30:18 +0000 From: "Tim Hare" To: , "'Calsify'" References: <201107061638.27256.thomas@koch.ro> <017601cc43e2$fcadf2f0$f609d8d0$@net> In-Reply-To: <017601cc43e2$fcadf2f0$f609d8d0$@net> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 07:30:05 -0400 Message-ID: <00f201cc713f$5286b520$f7941f60$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acw76o68QVxRorYUQVWOWb4IQe9jcQH99mtgC1bhfNA= Content-Language: en-us x-cr-hashedpuzzle: DtNg GsGm HQLa JP6Y KeA1 Kh7e K70C LwZX O1l9 PZ1a RVcj UYgM WJCE XIGP XxZn Y9Og; 2; YwBhAGwAZABlAHYAZQBsAG8AcABlAHIALQBsAEAAbABpAHMAdABzAC4AYwBhAGwAYwBvAG4AbgBlAGMAdAAuAG8AcgBnADsAYwBhAGwAcwBpAGYAeQBAAGkAZQB0AGYALgBvAHIAZwA=; Sosha1_v1; 7; {BE5B8AC3-69CF-4CC7-B1AD-DD7983259DA1}; dABpAG0AaABhAHIAZQBAAGMAbwBtAGMAYQBzAHQALgBuAGUAdAA=; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:30:00 GMT; QwBhAGwAZQBuAGQAYQByACAAZABpAHMAYwBvAHYAZQByAHkAPwA= x-cr-puzzleid: {BE5B8AC3-69CF-4CC7-B1AD-DD7983259DA1} Subject: [calsify] Calendar discovery? X-BeenThere: calsify@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:28:15 -0000 I haven't seen it, but I may have missed it. Have we developed a standard that allows an application to discover if a particular site or URL has: 1. a calendar and its URL? 2. a free-busy calendar and its URL? In my opinion, there are use cases for discovery ("find a barber with an appointment opening this afternoon" for example) that enable 'intelligent agents' (or, more likely, smartphone apps ) to do their jobs for us . Tim Hare Interested Bystander, Non-Inc. From calsify-bounces@ietf.org Mon Sep 12 04:28:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: calsify-archive-feit0ahl@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-calsify-archive-Feit0ahl@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92DFA21F8AFA; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 04:28:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ietf.org; s=ietf1; t=1315826897; bh=0+x5AS/MwWQpKqVkwP0hBHZU5zU85qSWbeBWA8GT+Bc=; h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Subject:List-Id:List-Unsubscribe:List-Archive:List-Post:List-Help: List-Subscribe:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender; b=HAfsLvkZYJjzhsLvg4dH+lM0DHJn9uzOA95eeBSM3Nd+yZj/g/DuS0Aaw5twSxo5t 0Bhm8LauTH9Fb1PMQwCHlk9IkZ8hAkBkg2qtdlGZ3ORCX1F4zoh/fCG9WPVLFNWNXh pmqfw5FFR5VgYoaS8CcFisvbyyZ8sP5kAJcXsY5g= X-Original-To: calsify@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: calsify@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E96121F8AFA for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 04:28:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.300, BAYES_50=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pjyg6ZNXOYk0 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 04:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F3021F8AF8 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 04:28:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id XnPb1h0030mv7h05FnWJ89; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:30:18 +0000 Received: from THARE ([71.203.98.77]) by omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id XnWH1h0011gAkVz3XnWHld; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:30:18 +0000 From: "Tim Hare" To: , "'Calsify'" References: <201107061638.27256.thomas@koch.ro> <017601cc43e2$fcadf2f0$f609d8d0$@net> In-Reply-To: <017601cc43e2$fcadf2f0$f609d8d0$@net> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 07:30:05 -0400 Message-ID: <00f201cc713f$5286b520$f7941f60$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acw76o68QVxRorYUQVWOWb4IQe9jcQH99mtgC1bhfNA= Content-Language: en-us x-cr-hashedpuzzle: DtNg GsGm HQLa JP6Y KeA1 Kh7e K70C LwZX O1l9 PZ1a RVcj UYgM WJCE XIGP XxZn Y9Og; 2; YwBhAGwAZABlAHYAZQBsAG8AcABlAHIALQBsAEAAbABpAHMAdABzAC4AYwBhAGwAYwBvAG4AbgBlAGMAdAAuAG8AcgBnADsAYwBhAGwAcwBpAGYAeQBAAGkAZQB0AGYALgBvAHIAZwA=; Sosha1_v1; 7; {BE5B8AC3-69CF-4CC7-B1AD-DD7983259DA1}; dABpAG0AaABhAHIAZQBAAGMAbwBtAGMAYQBzAHQALgBuAGUAdAA=; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:30:00 GMT; QwBhAGwAZQBuAGQAYQByACAAZABpAHMAYwBvAHYAZQByAHkAPwA= x-cr-puzzleid: {BE5B8AC3-69CF-4CC7-B1AD-DD7983259DA1} Subject: [calsify] Calendar discovery? X-BeenThere: calsify@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: calsify-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: calsify-bounces@ietf.org I haven't seen it, but I may have missed it. Have we developed a standard that allows an application to discover if a particular site or URL has: 1. a calendar and its URL? 2. a free-busy calendar and its URL? In my opinion, there are use cases for discovery ("find a barber with an appointment opening this afternoon" for example) that enable 'intelligent agents' (or, more likely, smartphone apps ) to do their jobs for us . Tim Hare Interested Bystander, Non-Inc. _______________________________________________ calsify mailing list calsify@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/calsify From timhare@comcast.net Mon Sep 12 06:41:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: calsify@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: calsify@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E76121F8B6D for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 06:41:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.166 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.166 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.433, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1FlcP3O7i4Cx for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 06:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C87D121F8B53 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 06:41:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.87]) by qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id XpXx1h0031swQuc58pjHQw; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:43:17 +0000 Received: from THARE ([71.203.98.77]) by omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id XpjF1h00t1gAkVz3bpjFoH; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:43:17 +0000 From: "Tim Hare" To: , , "'Calsify'" References: <201107061638.27256.thomas@koch.ro> <017601cc43e2$fcadf2f0$f609d8d0$@net> <00f201cc713f$5286b520$f7941f60$@net> <0d3e01cc714a$8e06f140$aa14d3c0$@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <0d3e01cc714a$8e06f140$aa14d3c0$@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 09:43:03 -0400 Message-ID: <00fc01cc7151$e62d7450$b2885cf0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AQHrND59TCPsdPS7qGke4OIhMH3D1AC5QynZAS01936U/PdeoIAAD10g Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [calsify] [caldeveloper-l] Calendar discovery? X-BeenThere: calsify@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:41:14 -0000 I think (but I'm not 100% on this), that the discovery needs to be independent of "protocols" like CalWS, CalDAV, etc. - it would provide = URLs and capabilities perhaps, or URLs per protocol. -----Original Message----- From: Toby Considine [mailto:tobyconsidine@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Toby Considine Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 8:50 AM To: 'Tim Hare'; caldeveloper-l@lists.calconnect.org; 'Calsify' Subject: RE: [caldeveloper-l] Calendar discovery? Don't forget a vavailability and its url... http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-daboo-calendar-availability-02.txt There are two parts of if this. CalWs (under development in both REST = and SOAP variants) should be able to handle (2) if you have (1). There is another variant, the option of a registrar, i.e., a = standards-based doodle poll where the barbers in town could post these XML documents and something else. I say something else, because it is unlikely that the barbers want to convert themselves to pure commodities... tc "A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing = left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." -Antoine de Saint-Exupery Toby Considine TC9, Inc TC Chair: oBIX & WS-Calendar TC Editor: EMIX, EnergyInterop U.S. National Inst. of Standards and Tech. Smart Grid Architecture = Committee =A0=A0 Email: Toby.Considine@gmail.com Phone: (919)619-2104 http://www.tcnine.com/ blog: www.NewDaedalus.com -----Original Message----- From: caldeveloper-l-bounces@lists.calconnect.org [mailto:caldeveloper-l-bounces@lists.calconnect.org] On Behalf Of Tim = Hare Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 7:30 AM To: caldeveloper-l@lists.calconnect.org; 'Calsify' Subject: [caldeveloper-l] Calendar discovery? I haven't seen it, but I may have missed it. =20 Have we developed a standard that allows an application to discover if a particular site or URL has: 1. a calendar and its URL? 2. a free-busy calendar and its URL? In my opinion, there are use cases for discovery ("find a barber with = an appointment opening this afternoon" for example) that enable = 'intelligent agents' (or, more likely, smartphone apps ) to do their jobs for us . Tim Hare Interested Bystander, Non-Inc. _______________________________________________ caldeveloper-l mailing list caldeveloper-l@lists.calconnect.org http://lists.calconnect.org/mailman/listinfo/caldeveloper-l From calsify-bounces@ietf.org Mon Sep 12 06:41:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: calsify-archive-feit0ahl@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-calsify-archive-Feit0ahl@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1978B21F8B6D; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 06:41:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ietf.org; s=ietf1; t=1315834876; bh=s8Ar3dDsDfteLVghTgoitdrSqoERzcfv0u3Ok/5CEyw=; h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Subject:List-Id:List-Unsubscribe:List-Archive:List-Post:List-Help: List-Subscribe:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender; b=wXMYERRJc1p4Rc3QSggTIwrJxEzKmxf/L8JErOa1Hm4SNaNy+k0eemvbkGFGC86es dEfguwqDEo9IM2/aI+cLgsERR00NiEdzI4Z1dxgPVmJ3fK4IJzRkZhS9IwJaYWFljy Ux8aEt129ZYaLxpOYZO3ZGvhXSzNgFkxydCsaTrw= X-Original-To: calsify@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: calsify@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E76121F8B6D for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 06:41:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.166 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.166 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.433, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1FlcP3O7i4Cx for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 06:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C87D121F8B53 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 06:41:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.87]) by qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id XpXx1h0031swQuc58pjHQw; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:43:17 +0000 Received: from THARE ([71.203.98.77]) by omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id XpjF1h00t1gAkVz3bpjFoH; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:43:17 +0000 From: "Tim Hare" To: , , "'Calsify'" References: <201107061638.27256.thomas@koch.ro> <017601cc43e2$fcadf2f0$f609d8d0$@net> <00f201cc713f$5286b520$f7941f60$@net> <0d3e01cc714a$8e06f140$aa14d3c0$@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <0d3e01cc714a$8e06f140$aa14d3c0$@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 09:43:03 -0400 Message-ID: <00fc01cc7151$e62d7450$b2885cf0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AQHrND59TCPsdPS7qGke4OIhMH3D1AC5QynZAS01936U/PdeoIAAD10g Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [calsify] [caldeveloper-l] Calendar discovery? X-BeenThere: calsify@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: calsify-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: calsify-bounces@ietf.org I think (but I'm not 100% on this), that the discovery needs to be independent of "protocols" like CalWS, CalDAV, etc. - it would provide URLs and capabilities perhaps, or URLs per protocol. -----Original Message----- From: Toby Considine [mailto:tobyconsidine@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Toby Considine Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 8:50 AM To: 'Tim Hare'; caldeveloper-l@lists.calconnect.org; 'Calsify' Subject: RE: [caldeveloper-l] Calendar discovery? Don't forget a vavailability and its url... http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-daboo-calendar-availability-02.txt There are two parts of if this. CalWs (under development in both REST and SOAP variants) should be able to handle (2) if you have (1). There is another variant, the option of a registrar, i.e., a standards-based doodle poll where the barbers in town could post these XML documents and something else. I say something else, because it is unlikely that the barbers want to convert themselves to pure commodities... tc "A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." -Antoine de Saint-Exupery Toby Considine TC9, Inc TC Chair: oBIX & WS-Calendar TC Editor: EMIX, EnergyInterop U.S. National Inst. of Standards and Tech. Smart Grid Architecture Committee =A0=A0 Email: Toby.Considine@gmail.com Phone: (919)619-2104 http://www.tcnine.com/ blog: www.NewDaedalus.com -----Original Message----- From: caldeveloper-l-bounces@lists.calconnect.org [mailto:caldeveloper-l-bounces@lists.calconnect.org] On Behalf Of Tim Hare Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 7:30 AM To: caldeveloper-l@lists.calconnect.org; 'Calsify' Subject: [caldeveloper-l] Calendar discovery? I haven't seen it, but I may have missed it. = Have we developed a standard that allows an application to discover if a particular site or URL has: 1. a calendar and its URL? 2. a free-busy calendar and its URL? In my opinion, there are use cases for discovery ("find a barber with an appointment opening this afternoon" for example) that enable 'intelligent agents' (or, more likely, smartphone apps ) to do their jobs for us . Tim Hare Interested Bystander, Non-Inc. _______________________________________________ caldeveloper-l mailing list caldeveloper-l@lists.calconnect.org http://lists.calconnect.org/mailman/listinfo/caldeveloper-l _______________________________________________ calsify mailing list calsify@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/calsify