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I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on
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Document: draft-ietf-calext-rscale-04
Reviewer: Robert Sparks
Review Date: 03-03-2015
IETF LC End Date: 03-03-2015
IESG Telechat date: 03-05-2015

Summary: Ready modulo one nit

This draft reads easily (describing the  actual work converting between 
calendars is hard, but this draft doesn't have to talk about that).

The body of the draft says it updates 5546 and 4791, but those are not 
listed in the Updates: line in the header?


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From: Cyrus Daboo <cyrus@daboo.name>
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Hi Robert,
Thanks for your review.

--On March 3, 2015 at 11:02:39 AM -0600 Robert Sparks 
<rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:

> Summary: Ready modulo one nit
>
> This draft reads easily (describing the  actual work converting between
> calendars is hard, but this draft doesn't have to talk about that).
>
> The body of the draft says it updates 5546 and 4791, but those are not
> listed in the Updates: line in the header?

There was a lot of debate about exactly what should go in the "Updates" 
header. In the end we settled on this:

1) The draft does "update" 5545/6321/7265 in the sense that its changes do 
not use any of the standard extension points that those specs have defined 
(i.e., 5545 never defined how an RRULE could be extended with new 
elements). Thus 5545/6321/7265 ought to appear in the "Updates" header.

2) The draft clarifies what should happen when rscale is used with iTIP 
(5546) - but it does not introduce any new protocol elements - it simply 
suggests the appropriate behaviors to use. Thus 5546 does not appear in the 
"Updates" header.

3) The draft uses existing extension mechanisms in CalDAV (4791) to explain 
how it is used in that environment. Thus 4791 does not appear in the 
"Updates" header.

Now you are right that the introduction does use "updates" in the prose for 
5546 and 4791. Perhaps it would be better to use "clarifies use of" for 
5546 and "extends" for 4791. So I am proposing the following change:

      It updates iCalendar [RFC5545], xCal [RFC6321], and jCal
      [RFC7265], to extend the "RRULE" property definition.

      It clarifies use of iTIP [RFC5546] to specify how the extended "RRULE"
      property should be handled in iTIP messages.

      It extends CalDAV [RFC4791] to specify how the extended "RRULE"
      property can be supported by CalDAV servers and clients.

Would that be better?


-- 
Cyrus Daboo


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On 3/3/15 11:21 AM, Cyrus Daboo wrote:
> Hi Robert,
> Thanks for your review.
>
> --On March 3, 2015 at 11:02:39 AM -0600 Robert Sparks 
> <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
>
>> Summary: Ready modulo one nit
>>
>> This draft reads easily (describing the  actual work converting between
>> calendars is hard, but this draft doesn't have to talk about that).
>>
>> The body of the draft says it updates 5546 and 4791, but those are not
>> listed in the Updates: line in the header?
>
> There was a lot of debate about exactly what should go in the 
> "Updates" header. In the end we settled on this:
>
> 1) The draft does "update" 5545/6321/7265 in the sense that its 
> changes do not use any of the standard extension points that those 
> specs have defined (i.e., 5545 never defined how an RRULE could be 
> extended with new elements). Thus 5545/6321/7265 ought to appear in 
> the "Updates" header.
>
> 2) The draft clarifies what should happen when rscale is used with 
> iTIP (5546) - but it does not introduce any new protocol elements - it 
> simply suggests the appropriate behaviors to use. Thus 5546 does not 
> appear in the "Updates" header.
>
> 3) The draft uses existing extension mechanisms in CalDAV (4791) to 
> explain how it is used in that environment. Thus 4791 does not appear 
> in the "Updates" header.
>
> Now you are right that the introduction does use "updates" in the 
> prose for 5546 and 4791. Perhaps it would be better to use "clarifies 
> use of" for 5546 and "extends" for 4791. So I am proposing the 
> following change:
>
>      It updates iCalendar [RFC5545], xCal [RFC6321], and jCal
>      [RFC7265], to extend the "RRULE" property definition.
>
>      It clarifies use of iTIP [RFC5546] to specify how the extended 
> "RRULE"
>      property should be handled in iTIP messages.
>
>      It extends CalDAV [RFC4791] to specify how the extended "RRULE"
>      property can be supported by CalDAV servers and clients.
>
> Would that be better?
I think so.

You might also consider including the exposition above in the shepherd 
writeup to help avoid multiple ADs asking the same question later.
>
>


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>>=20
>> Now you are right that the introduction does use "updates" in the =
prose for 5546 and 4791. Perhaps it would be better to use "clarifies =
use of" for 5546 and "extends" for 4791. So I am proposing the following =
change:
>>=20
>>     It updates iCalendar [RFC5545], xCal [RFC6321], and jCal
>>     [RFC7265], to extend the "RRULE" property definition.
>>=20
>>     It clarifies use of iTIP [RFC5546] to specify how the extended =
"RRULE"
>>     property should be handled in iTIP messages.
>>=20
>>     It extends CalDAV [RFC4791] to specify how the extended "RRULE"
>>     property can be supported by CalDAV servers and clients.
>>=20
>> Would that be better?
> I think so.

This works for me as well.

I am assuming the sponsoring AD will ensure that the changes get =
implemented in the draft before the RFC Editor takes it over. I have =
balloted No-Obj for this draft in tonight=92s IESG telechat.

Jari

P.S. Many thanks for your review, Robert!


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The introduction needs to change per discussion resulting from the
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As you can all see, the IESG approved the RSCALE document on today's
telechat.  The notice to ietf-announce should go out on Monday.  The
only comment during last call and IESG evaluation was about the
"updates" text in the Introduction, and I have put Cyrus's fix for
that into an RFC Editor note.

Thanks for the work on this, everyone.  The chairs should now update
the milestones to mark RSCALE as "Done"... and to adjust the dates on
the other two documents to something realistic.

Barry, Applications AD

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The IESG has approved the following document:
- 'Non-Gregorian Recurrence Rules in iCalendar'
  (draft-ietf-calext-rscale-04.txt) as Proposed Standard

This document is the product of the Calendaring Extensions Working Group.

The IESG contact persons are Pete Resnick and Barry Leiba.

A URL of this Internet Draft is:
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-calext-rscale/





Technical Summary

   This document defines how non-Gregorian recurrence rules can be
   specified, for example Chinese New Year, in iCalendar data and with
   CalDAV servers primarily by extending the RRULE property. It is a
   Proposed Standard and extends RFCs 5545 (iCalendar), 6321 (xCal),
   and 7265 (jCal).

Review and Consensus

   The document was augmented and improved based on the discussion on
   the calsify mailing list, which the WG uses, of WG Last Call and
   the Shepherd review comments. Augmentations that were made to
   include extensions to xCal and jCal to handle the extended RRULE
   property. A moderate number of knowledgeable people chimed in and
   the document Shepherd believe review has been more than adequate.

   There was significant discussion about how the SKIP property should
   work, as different calendars and even different situations for the same
   calendar would demand different ways of skipping invalid dates/times
   and settling them onto valid ones.  The result in the document represents
   consensus on the least problematic way of dealing with this.

Personnel

   Document Shepherd: Donald Eastlake
   Area Director: Barry Leiba

RFC Editor Note

We changed the "updates" list late in the review process.  Please make
the following change in Section 1:

OLD
   This specification makes the following updates:

      It updates iCalendar [RFC5545], xCal [RFC6321], and jCal
      [RFC7265], to extend the "RRULE" property definition.

      It updates iTIP [RFC5546] to specify how the extended "RRULE"
      property should be handled in iTIP messages.

      It updates CalDAV [RFC4791] to specify how the extended "RRULE"
      property can be supported by CalDAV servers and clients.

NEW
   This specification makes the following updates:

     It updates iCalendar [RFC5545], xCal [RFC6321], and jCal
     [RFC7265], to extend the "RRULE" property definition.

     It clarifies use of iTIP [RFC5546] to specify how the extended "RRULE"
     property should be handled in iTIP messages.

     It extends CalDAV [RFC4791] to specify how the extended "RRULE"
     property can be supported by CalDAV servers and clients.

END


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Hello!

Attached is the golden set of RRULEs updated to satisfy the latest
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-rscale-04:
1. Changed the SKIP behavior
2. Added a few tricky cases that verify the order of calculations (supplied
by Ken)

If you have a working RSCALE implementation, please verify that it produces
the same set of instances for these RRULEs.

Thanks!
Grisha

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hello!<div><br></div><div>Attached is the golden set of RR=
ULEs=C2=A0updated=C2=A0to satisfy the latest=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://tools.i=
etf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-rscale-04">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-=
ietf-calext-rscale-04</a>:</div><div>1. Changed the SKIP behavior</div><div=
>2. Added a few tricky cases that verify the order of calculations (supplie=
d by Ken)</div><div><br></div><div>If you have a working RSCALE implementat=
ion, please verify that it produces the same set of instances for these RRU=
LEs.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks!</div><div>Grisha</div></div>

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Actually attached the file.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:30 AM Gregory Yakushev <yakushev@google.com>
wrote:

> Hello!
>
> Attached is the golden set of RRULEs updated to satisfy the latest
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-rscale-04:
> 1. Changed the SKIP behavior
> 2. Added a few tricky cases that verify the order of calculations
> (supplied by Ken)
>
> If you have a working RSCALE implementation, please verify that it
> produces the same set of instances for these RRULEs.
>
> Thanks!
> Grisha
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Actually attached the file.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:30 AM Gregory Yakushev &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:yakushev@google.com">yakushev@google.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hello!<div><br></div><div>Attached is the =
golden set of RRULEs=C2=A0updated=C2=A0to satisfy the latest=C2=A0<a href=
=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-rscale-04" target=3D"_blan=
k">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-rscale-04</a>:</div><div>1.=
 Changed the SKIP behavior</div><div>2. Added a few tricky cases that verif=
y the order of calculations (supplied by Ken)</div><div><br></div><div>If y=
ou have a working RSCALE implementation, please verify that it produces the=
 same set of instances for these RRULEs.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks!</=
div><div>Grisha</div></div></blockquote></div></div>

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Calendaring Extensions Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Calendar Availability
        Authors         : Cyrus Daboo
                          Michael Douglass
	Filename        : draft-ietf-calext-availability-00.txt
	Pages           : 22
	Date            : 2015-03-23

Abstract:
   This document specifies a new iCalendar calendar component that
   allows the publication of available and unavailable time periods
   associated with a calendar user.  This component can be used in
   standard iCalendar free-busy lookups, including iTIP free-busy
   requests, to generate repeating blocks of available or busy time with
   exceptions as needed.

   This document also defines extensions to CalDAV calendar-access and
   calendar-auto-schedule which specify how this new calendar component
   should be used when doing free-busy time evaluation in CalDAV.


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