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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Calendaring Extensions of the IETF.

        Title           : Event Publishing Extensions to iCalendar
        Author          : Michael Douglass
	Filename        : draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions-03.txt
	Pages           : 28
	Date            : 2017-05-04

Abstract:
   This specification introduces a number of new iCalendar properties
   and components which are of particular use for event publishers and
   in social networking.

   This specification also defines a new STRUCTURED-DATA property for
   iCalendar [RFC5545] to allow for data that is directly pertinent to
   an event or task to be included with the calendar data.


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Thanks for the comments. I've published an updated version 03 and there 
are some comments below.

A couple of particular points that need further work:


   ** The abstract seems to contain references ([RFC5545]), which it
      shouldn't.  Please replace those with straight textual mentions of the
      documents in question.

Is there a guide as to when and when not a refeence?

Also the RESTYPE parameter needs more discussion


On 4/30/17 15:18, Daniel Migault wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Please find my comments regarding the current version. The document is 
> in good shape.
>
> Yours,
> Daniel
>
> 1.  Introduction
>
>
> "Formats such as VCARD are likely to be most useful." I think we need 
> some explanation. Is the VCARD used by the organizer or participant of 
> the event ? If that is the case, it would be clearer to mention it 
> explicitly.
Tried to expand a little
>
> "The following properties and components are defined in this 
> specification". As there are two kind of objects being defined, it 
> would be clarifying for the reader to specify for each item below what 
> category they belong to. My understanding is that only participant is 
> a component others are properties.
I've split off participant as a separate paragraph
>
> 2.  Components and properties
>
> "In a break with this 'tradition' this specification introduces some 
> of these extensions as components rather than properties."
>
> My reading is that components is not used as the iCal terminology 
> here. More specifically, this is not an iCal component. If that is the 
> case, maybe we could use another term. I am trying to find one but 
> agree this is not easy.
At one point I thought we would have multiple components. I've reduced 
it to referring to the one component
>
> 3.  Typed References
>
> """
>    These properties are designed to handle common use cases in event
>    publication.  It is generally important to provide information about
>    the organizers of such events.  Sponsors wish to be referenced in a
>    prominent manner.  In social calendaring it is often important to
>    identify the active participants in the event, for example a school
>    sports team, and the inactive participants, for example the parents.
> """
>
> I also have the impression that properties is not associated to teh 
> ICal properties. In fcat I see Participant as a component. In this 
> case saying the participant components and associated properties seems 
> to be clearer to me  at least.
Left over with the move from PARTICIPANT as a property to a component. 
I've made that paragraph specific to PARTICIPANT
>
> 5.2.  Restype
>
> """
>       Description:  This parameter MAY be specified on STRUCTURED-RESOURCE
>       and provides a way to differentiate multiple properties.
>
>       Values for this parameter are taken from the values defined in
>       [todo].  New resource types SHOULD be registered in the manner
>       laid down in that specification
> """
>
> [todo] needs to be completed.
Yes - There was work on a vcard resource draft which was expected to get 
ahead of this one. That didn't happen.  We'll need some discussion on 
where to go with that.
>
> 5.3.  Order
>
> """
>    Description:  The ORDER parameter is OPTIONAL and is used to indicate
>       the relative ordering of the corresponding instance of a property.
>       Its value MUST be an integer greater than or equal to 1 that
>       quantifies the order.  Lower values correspond to a higher level
>       of ordering, with 1 being the highest.
> """
>
> I would like to make sure and explicit that ordering is performed from 
> low to high value or the reverse.
>
Tried to get rid of some of the higher/lower language

I also found one or 2 issues myself.

Property PARTTYPE has 2 names - should be PARTICIPANT-TYPE

Property SCHEDULE-ADDRESS - definition specified value as iana-token. 
Should be cal-address

Property SCHEDULE-DATA - specified a data type of TEXT only - but it 
should be TEXT, BINARY or URI

Missed format type out of the descriptive text for STYLED-DESCRIPTION

Component PARTICIPANT
Priority was missing from the format definition
Had structuredaddress instead of scheduleaddress
>
>
> Follows the nits provided by the datatracker:
>
> nits:
> idnits 2.14.01
>
> /tmp/draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions-02.txt:
>
>   Checking boilerplate required by RFC 5378 and the IETF Trust (see
> http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info):
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>      No issues found here.
>
>   Checking nits according to 
> http://www.ietf.org/id-info/1id-guidelines.txt:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>      No issues found here.
>
>   Checking nits according to http://www.ietf.org/id-info/checklist :
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>   ** There is 1 instance of too long lines in the document, the 
> longest one
>      being 1 character in excess of 72.
>
>   ** The abstract seems to contain references ([RFC5545]), which it
>      shouldn't.  Please replace those with straight textual mentions 
> of the
>      documents in question.
Is this referring to things like

This specification also defines a new STRUCTURED-DATA property for
iCalendar [RFC5545] to allow for data that is directly pertinent to


Is there a guide as to when should I use a reference and when not?
>
>   -- The draft header indicates that this document updates RFC5545, 
> but the
>      abstract doesn't seem to directly say this.  It does mention RFC5545
>      though, so this could be OK.
>
>   -- The draft header indicates that this document updates RFC5546, 
> but the
>      abstract doesn't seem to mention this, which it should.
>
>
>   Miscellaneous warnings:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>      (Using the creation date from RFC5545, updated by this document, for
>      RFC5378 checks: 2008-10-31)
>
>      (Using the creation date from RFC5546, updated by this document, for
>      RFC5378 checks: 2008-07-14)
>
>   -- The document seems to lack a disclaimer for pre-RFC5378 work, but may
>      have content which was first submitted before 10 November 2008.  
> If you
>      have contacted all the original authors and they are all willing 
> to grant
>      the BCP78 rights to the IETF Trust, then this is fine, and you 
> can ignore
>      this comment.  If not, you may need to add the pre-RFC5378 
> disclaimer.
>      (See the Legal Provisions document at
> http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info for more information.)
>
>   -- The document date (April 21, 2017) is 9 days in the past.  Is this
>      intentional?
>
>
>   Checking references for intended status: Proposed Standard
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>      (See RFCs 3967 and 4897 for information about using normative 
> references
>      to lower-maturity documents in RFCs)
>
>   == Unused Reference: 'RFC2434' is defined on line 1079, but no explicit
>      reference was found in the text
Deleted
>
>   == Unused Reference: 'RFC3688' is defined on line 1084, but no explicit
>      reference was found in the text
Deleted
>
>   == Outdated reference: draft-ietf-calext-extensions has been 
> published as
>      RFC 7986
>
Fixed
>   ** Obsolete normative reference: RFC 2434 (Obsoleted by RFC 5226)
>
>
>      Summary: 3 errors (**), 0 flaws (~~), 3 warnings (==), 4 comments 
> (--).
>
>      Run idnits with the --verbose option for more detailed 
> information about
>      the items above.
>
> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Daniel Migault 
> <daniel.migault@ericsson.com <mailto:daniel.migault@ericsson.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     This starts a Working Group Last Call for:
>     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions/
>     <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions/>
>
>     Please provide your comments / reviews by  May 14.
>
>     Yours,
>     Daniel
>
>
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>     Date: Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 11:37 PM
>     Subject: [calsify] I-D Action:
>     draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions-02.txt
>     To: i-d-announce@ietf.org <mailto:i-d-announce@ietf.org>
>     Cc: calsify@ietf.org <mailto:calsify@ietf.org>
>
>
>
>     A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>     directories.
>     This draft is a work item of the Calendaring Extensions of the IETF.
>
>             Title           : Event Publishing Extensions to iCalendar
>             Author          : Michael Douglass
>             Filename        : draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions-02.txt
>             Pages           : 28
>             Date            : 2017-04-21
>
>     Abstract:
>        This specification introduces a number of new iCalendar properties
>        and components which are of particular use for event publishers and
>        in social networking.
>
>        This specification also defines a new STRUCTURED-DATA property for
>        iCalendar [RFC5545] to allow for data that is directly pertinent to
>        an event or task to be included with the calendar data.
>
>
>     The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions/
>     <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions/>
>
>     There are also htmlized versions available at:
>     https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions-02
>     <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions-02>
>     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions-02
>     <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions-02>
>
>     A diff from the previous version is available at:
>     https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions-02
>     <https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions-02>
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    <p>Thanks for the comments. I've published an updated version 03 and
      there are some comments below.</p>
    <p>A couple of particular points that need further work:<br>
    </p>
    <br>
      ** The abstract seems to contain references ([RFC5545]), which it<br>
         shouldn't.  Please replace those with straight textual mentions
    of the<br>
         documents in question.<br>
    <br>
    Is there a guide as to when and when not a refeence?<br>
    <br>
    Also the RESTYPE parameter needs more discussion<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/30/17 15:18, Daniel Migault wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CADZyTkk1eZ0LSAhH1Zp5vKGLSG+LWPQ-Nkd-LBVOoFZcgj8yCA@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div>
          <div>
            <div>Hi, <br>
              <br>
            </div>
            Please find my comments regarding the current version. The
            document is in good shape. <br>
            <br>
          </div>
          Yours, <br>
        </div>
        Daniel<br>
        <div>
          <div>
            <div>
              <div><br>
                1.  Introduction<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                "Formats such as VCARD are likely to be most useful." I
                think we need some explanation. Is the VCARD used by the
                organizer or participant of the event ? If that is the
                case, it would be clearer to mention it explicitly. <br>
              </div>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    Tried to expand a little<br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CADZyTkk1eZ0LSAhH1Zp5vKGLSG+LWPQ-Nkd-LBVOoFZcgj8yCA@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div>
          <div>
            <div>
              <div><br>
                "The following properties and components are defined in
                this specification". As there are two kind of objects
                being defined, it would be clarifying for the reader to
                specify for each item below what category they belong
                to. My understanding is that only participant is a
                component others are properties. <br>
              </div>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    I've split off participant as a separate paragraph<br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CADZyTkk1eZ0LSAhH1Zp5vKGLSG+LWPQ-Nkd-LBVOoFZcgj8yCA@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div>
          <div>
            <div>
              <div>   <br>
                2.  Components and properties<br>
                <br>
                "In a break with this 'tradition' this specification
                introduces some of these extensions as components rather
                than properties."<br>
                <br>
                My reading is that components is not used as the iCal
                terminology here. More specifically, this is not an iCal
                component. If that is the case, maybe we could use
                another term. I am trying to find one but agree this is
                not easy. <br>
              </div>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    At one point I thought we would have multiple components. I've
    reduced it to referring to the one component<br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CADZyTkk1eZ0LSAhH1Zp5vKGLSG+LWPQ-Nkd-LBVOoFZcgj8yCA@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div>
          <div>
            <div>
              <div><br>
                3.  Typed References<br>
                <br>
                """<br>
                   These properties are designed to handle common use
                cases in event<br>
                   publication.  It is generally important to provide
                information about<br>
                   the organizers of such events.  Sponsors wish to be
                referenced in a<br>
                   prominent manner.  In social calendaring it is often
                important to<br>
                   identify the active participants in the event, for
                example a school<br>
                   sports team, and the inactive participants, for
                example the parents.<br>
                """<br>
                <br>
                I also have the impression that properties is not
                associated to teh ICal properties. In fcat I see
                Participant as a component. In this case saying the
                participant components and associated properties seems
                to be clearer to me  at least. <br>
              </div>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    Left over with the move from PARTICIPANT as a property to a
    component. I've made that paragraph specific to PARTICIPANT<br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CADZyTkk1eZ0LSAhH1Zp5vKGLSG+LWPQ-Nkd-LBVOoFZcgj8yCA@mail.gmail.com"
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              <div><br>
                5.2.  Restype<br>
                <br>
                """<br>
                      Description:  This parameter MAY be specified on
                STRUCTURED-RESOURCE<br>
                      and provides a way to differentiate multiple
                properties.<br>
                <br>
                      Values for this parameter are taken from the
                values defined in<br>
                      [todo].  New resource types SHOULD be registered
                in the manner<br>
                      laid down in that specification<br>
                """<br>
                <br>
                [todo] needs to be completed.<br>
              </div>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    Yes - There was work on a vcard resource draft which was expected to
    get ahead of this one. That didn't happen.  We'll need some
    discussion on where to go with that.<br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CADZyTkk1eZ0LSAhH1Zp5vKGLSG+LWPQ-Nkd-LBVOoFZcgj8yCA@mail.gmail.com"
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              <div><br>
                5.3.  Order<br>
                <br>
                """<br>
                   Description:  The ORDER parameter is OPTIONAL and is
                used to indicate<br>
                      the relative ordering of the corresponding
                instance of a property.<br>
                      Its value MUST be an integer greater than or equal
                to 1 that<br>
                      quantifies the order.  Lower values correspond to
                a higher level<br>
                      of ordering, with 1 being the highest.<br>
                """<br>
                <br>
                I would like to make sure and explicit that ordering is
                performed from low to high value or the reverse. <br>
                <br>
              </div>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    Tried to get rid of some of the higher/lower language<br>
    <br>
    I also found one or 2 issues myself. <br>
    <br>
    Property PARTTYPE has 2 names - should be PARTICIPANT-TYPE<br>
    <br>
    Property SCHEDULE-ADDRESS - definition specified value as
    iana-token. Should be cal-address<br>
    <br>
    Property SCHEDULE-DATA - specified a data type of TEXT only - but it
    should be TEXT, BINARY or URI<br>
    <br>
    Missed format type out of the descriptive text for
    STYLED-DESCRIPTION<br>
    <br>
    Component PARTICIPANT<br>
    Priority was missing from the format definition<br>
    Had structuredaddress instead of scheduleaddress<br>
    <blockquote
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              <div>   <br>
                 <br>
              </div>
              <div>Follows the nits provided by the datatracker:<br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
                nits: <br>
                idnits 2.14.01 <br>
                <br>
                /tmp/draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions-02.txt:<br>
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                  Checking boilerplate required by RFC 5378 and the IETF
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                <br>
                  ** There is 1 instance of too long lines in the
                document, the longest one<br>
                     being 1 character in excess of 72.<br>
                <br>
                  ** The abstract seems to contain references
                ([RFC5545]), which it<br>
                     shouldn't.  Please replace those with straight
                textual mentions of the<br>
                     documents in question.<br>
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    </blockquote>
    Is this referring to things like<br>
    <br>
    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
    <pre style="background-color:#ffffff;color:#000000;font-family:'Menlo';font-size:9.0pt;">This specification also defines a new STRUCTURED-DATA property for
iCalendar [RFC5545] to allow for data that is directly pertinent to
</pre>
    <br>
    Is there a guide as to when should I use a reference and when not?<br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CADZyTkk1eZ0LSAhH1Zp5vKGLSG+LWPQ-Nkd-LBVOoFZcgj8yCA@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
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        <div>
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            <div>
              <div><br>
                  -- The draft header indicates that this document
                updates RFC5545, but the<br>
                     abstract doesn't seem to directly say this.  It
                does mention RFC5545<br>
                     though, so this could be OK.<br>
                <br>
                  -- The draft header indicates that this document
                updates RFC5546, but the<br>
                     abstract doesn't seem to mention this, which it
                should.<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                  Miscellaneous warnings:<br>
                 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
                <br>
                     (Using the creation date from RFC5545, updated by
                this document, for<br>
                     RFC5378 checks: 2008-10-31)<br>
                <br>
                     (Using the creation date from RFC5546, updated by
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                <br>
                  -- The document seems to lack a disclaimer for
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                November 2008.  If you<br>
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                are all willing to grant<br>
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                for more information.)<br>
                <br>
                  -- The document date (April 21, 2017) is 9 days in the
                past.  Is this<br>
                     intentional?<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                  Checking references for intended status: Proposed
                Standard<br>
                 
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                <br>
                     (See RFCs 3967 and 4897 for information about using
                normative references<br>
                     to lower-maturity documents in RFCs)<br>
                <br>
                  == Unused Reference: 'RFC2434' is defined on line
                1079, but no explicit<br>
                     reference was found in the text<br>
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    Deleted<br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CADZyTkk1eZ0LSAhH1Zp5vKGLSG+LWPQ-Nkd-LBVOoFZcgj8yCA@mail.gmail.com"
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              <div><br>
                  == Unused Reference: 'RFC3688' is defined on line
                1084, but no explicit<br>
                     reference was found in the text<br>
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        </div>
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    </blockquote>
    Deleted<br>
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            <div>
              <div><br>
                  == Outdated reference: draft-ietf-calext-extensions
                has been published as<br>
                     RFC 7986<br>
                <br>
              </div>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    Fixed<br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CADZyTkk1eZ0LSAhH1Zp5vKGLSG+LWPQ-Nkd-LBVOoFZcgj8yCA@mail.gmail.com"
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        <div>
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            <div>
              <div>  ** Obsolete normative reference: RFC 2434
                (Obsoleted by RFC 5226)<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                     Summary: 3 errors (**), 0 flaws (~~), 3 warnings
                (==), 4 comments (--).<br>
                <br>
                     Run idnits with the --verbose option for more
                detailed information about<br>
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      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Daniel
          Migault <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:daniel.migault@ericsson.com" target="_blank">daniel.migault@ericsson.com</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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              <div>
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <div>Hi, <br>
                      <br>
                    </div>
                    This starts a Working Group Last Call for:<br>
                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions/"
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                        class="m_1200682341277673462gmail-il">calext</span>-eventpub-<wbr>extensions/</a><br>
                    <br>
                  </div>
                  Please provide your comments / reviews by  May 14. <br>
                  <br>
                </div>
                Yours, <br>
              </div>
              Daniel
              <div>
                <div class="h5"><br>
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <div><br>
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                              Abstract:<br>
                                 This specification introduces a number
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                                 This specification also defines a new
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I think I will remove the STRUCTURED-RESOURCE property from the draft 
along with RESTYPE

That was added at a time we were active with resource extensions to 
vcard and the assumption was that a registry of resource types would 
come out of that.

That work has been restarted recently but we probably need to rethink 
the approach. It's possible that the PARTICIPANT component will work 
instead of a special property for resources.

We can always bring out a later extension to reintroduce that property 
if we feel it's needed.

I also noticed that I should have specified the uid property as a 
required property for PARTICIPANT.


On 5/4/17 11:01, Daniel Migault wrote:
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> Thanks for the update. The only way I see to address the nits, is to 
> write in plain text RFC5545 in the abstract and use the reference 
> <xref tyarget=””/> in the introduction. I guess the nits tool looks at 
> [.*] to list references.
>
> Yours,
>
> Daniel
>
> *From:*calsify [mailto:calsify-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of 
> *Michael Douglass
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 04, 2017 10:55 AM
> *To:* calsify@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [calsify] I-D Action: 
> draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions-02.txt
>
> Thanks for the comments. I've published an updated version 03 and 
> there are some comments below.
>
> A couple of particular points that need further work:
>
>
>   ** The abstract seems to contain references ([RFC5545]), which it
>      shouldn't.  Please replace those with straight textual mentions 
> of the
>      documents in question.
>
> Is there a guide as to when and when not a refeence?
>
> Also the RESTYPE parameter needs more discussion
>
> On 4/30/17 15:18, Daniel Migault wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     Please find my comments regarding the current version. The
>     document is in good shape.
>
>     Yours,
>
>     Daniel
>
>
>     1.  Introduction
>
>
>     "Formats such as VCARD are likely to be most useful." I think we
>     need some explanation. Is the VCARD used by the organizer or
>     participant of the event ? If that is the case, it would be
>     clearer to mention it explicitly.
>
> Tried to expand a little
>
>
>     "The following properties and components are defined in this
>     specification". As there are two kind of objects being defined, it
>     would be clarifying for the reader to specify for each item below
>     what category they belong to. My understanding is that only
>     participant is a component others are properties.
>
> I've split off participant as a separate paragraph
>
>
>     2.  Components and properties
>
>     "In a break with this 'tradition' this specification introduces
>     some of these extensions as components rather than properties."
>
>     My reading is that components is not used as the iCal terminology
>     here. More specifically, this is not an iCal component. If that is
>     the case, maybe we could use another term. I am trying to find one
>     but agree this is not easy.
>
> At one point I thought we would have multiple components. I've reduced 
> it to referring to the one component
>
>
>     3.  Typed References
>
>     """
>        These properties are designed to handle common use cases in event
>        publication.  It is generally important to provide information
>     about
>        the organizers of such events.  Sponsors wish to be referenced in a
>        prominent manner.  In social calendaring it is often important to
>        identify the active participants in the event, for example a school
>        sports team, and the inactive participants, for example the
>     parents.
>     """
>
>     I also have the impression that properties is not associated to
>     teh ICal properties. In fcat I see Participant as a component. In
>     this case saying the participant components and associated
>     properties seems to be clearer to me  at least.
>
> Left over with the move from PARTICIPANT as a property to a component. 
> I've made that paragraph specific to PARTICIPANT
>
>
>     5.2.  Restype
>
>     """
>           Description:  This parameter MAY be specified on
>     STRUCTURED-RESOURCE
>           and provides a way to differentiate multiple properties.
>
>           Values for this parameter are taken from the values defined in
>           [todo].  New resource types SHOULD be registered in the manner
>           laid down in that specification
>     """
>
>     [todo] needs to be completed.
>
> Yes - There was work on a vcard resource draft which was expected to 
> get ahead of this one. That didn't happen.  We'll need some discussion 
> on where to go with that.
>
>
>     5.3.  Order
>
>     """
>        Description:  The ORDER parameter is OPTIONAL and is used to
>     indicate
>           the relative ordering of the corresponding instance of a
>     property.
>           Its value MUST be an integer greater than or equal to 1 that
>           quantifies the order.  Lower values correspond to a higher level
>           of ordering, with 1 being the highest.
>     """
>
>     I would like to make sure and explicit that ordering is performed
>     from low to high value or the reverse.
>
> Tried to get rid of some of the higher/lower language
>
> I also found one or 2 issues myself.
>
> Property PARTTYPE has 2 names - should be PARTICIPANT-TYPE
>
> Property SCHEDULE-ADDRESS - definition specified value as iana-token. 
> Should be cal-address
>
> Property SCHEDULE-DATA - specified a data type of TEXT only - but it 
> should be TEXT, BINARY or URI
>
> Missed format type out of the descriptive text for STYLED-DESCRIPTION
>
> Component PARTICIPANT
> Priority was missing from the format definition
> Had structuredaddress instead of scheduleaddress
>
>
>     Follows the nits provided by the datatracker:
>
>
>     nits:
>     idnits 2.14.01
>
>     /tmp/draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions-02.txt:
>
>       Checking boilerplate required by RFC 5378 and the IETF Trust (see
>     http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info):
>     ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>          No issues found here.
>
>       Checking nits according to
>     http://www.ietf.org/id-info/1id-guidelines.txt
>     <http://www.ietf.org/id-info/1id-guidelines.txt>:
>     ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>          No issues found here.
>
>       Checking nits according to http://www.ietf.org/id-info/checklist :
>     ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>       ** There is 1 instance of too long lines in the document, the
>     longest one
>          being 1 character in excess of 72.
>
>       ** The abstract seems to contain references ([RFC5545]), which it
>          shouldn't.  Please replace those with straight textual
>     mentions of the
>          documents in question.
>
> Is this referring to things like
>
> This specification also defines a new STRUCTURED-DATA property for
> iCalendar [RFC5545] to allow for data that is directly pertinent to
>
>
> Is there a guide as to when should I use a reference and when not?
>
>
>       -- The draft header indicates that this document updates
>     RFC5545, but the
>          abstract doesn't seem to directly say this. It does mention
>     RFC5545
>          though, so this could be OK.
>
>       -- The draft header indicates that this document updates
>     RFC5546, but the
>          abstract doesn't seem to mention this, which it should.
>
>
>       Miscellaneous warnings:
>     ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>          (Using the creation date from RFC5545, updated by this
>     document, for
>          RFC5378 checks: 2008-10-31)
>
>          (Using the creation date from RFC5546, updated by this
>     document, for
>          RFC5378 checks: 2008-07-14)
>
>       -- The document seems to lack a disclaimer for pre-RFC5378 work,
>     but may
>          have content which was first submitted before 10 November
>     2008.  If you
>          have contacted all the original authors and they are all
>     willing to grant
>          the BCP78 rights to the IETF Trust, then this is fine, and
>     you can ignore
>          this comment.  If not, you may need to add the pre-RFC5378
>     disclaimer.
>          (See the Legal Provisions document at
>     http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info for more information.)
>
>       -- The document date (April 21, 2017) is 9 days in the past.  Is
>     this
>          intentional?
>
>
>       Checking references for intended status: Proposed Standard
>     ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>          (See RFCs 3967 and 4897 for information about using normative
>     references
>          to lower-maturity documents in RFCs)
>
>       == Unused Reference: 'RFC2434' is defined on line 1079, but no
>     explicit
>          reference was found in the text
>
> Deleted
>
>
>       == Unused Reference: 'RFC3688' is defined on line 1084, but no
>     explicit
>          reference was found in the text
>
> Deleted
>
>
>       == Outdated reference: draft-ietf-calext-extensions has been
>     published as
>          RFC 7986
>
> Fixed
>
>       ** Obsolete normative reference: RFC 2434 (Obsoleted by RFC 5226)
>
>
>          Summary: 3 errors (**), 0 flaws (~~), 3 warnings (==), 4
>     comments (--).
>
>          Run idnits with the --verbose option for more detailed
>     information about
>          the items above.
>
>     On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Daniel Migault
>     <daniel.migault@ericsson.com <mailto:daniel.migault@ericsson.com>>
>     wrote:
>
>         Hi,
>
>         This starts a Working Group Last Call for:
>         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions/
>         <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions/>
>
>         Please provide your comments / reviews by  May 14.
>
>         Yours,
>
>         Daniel
>
>         ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>         From: <internet-drafts@ietf.org <mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org>>
>         Date: Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 11:37 PM
>         Subject: [calsify] I-D Action:
>         draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions-02.txt
>         To: i-d-announce@ietf.org <mailto:i-d-announce@ietf.org>
>         Cc: calsify@ietf.org <mailto:calsify@ietf.org>
>
>
>
>         A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line
>         Internet-Drafts directories.
>         This draft is a work item of the Calendaring Extensions of the
>         IETF.
>
>                 Title           : Event Publishing Extensions to iCalendar
>                 Author          : Michael Douglass
>                 Filename        :
>         draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions-02.txt
>                 Pages           : 28
>                 Date            : 2017-04-21
>
>         Abstract:
>            This specification introduces a number of new iCalendar
>         properties
>            and components which are of particular use for event
>         publishers and
>            in social networking.
>
>            This specification also defines a new STRUCTURED-DATA
>         property for
>            iCalendar [RFC5545] to allow for data that is directly
>         pertinent to
>            an event or task to be included with the calendar data.
>
>
>         The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions/
>
>         There are also htmlized versions available at:
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>         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions-02
>
>         A diff from the previous version is available at:
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>
>
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    <p>I think I will remove the STRUCTURED-RESOURCE property from the
      draft along with RESTYPE <br>
    </p>
    <p>That was added at a time we were active with resource extensions
      to vcard and the assumption was that a registry of resource types
      would come out of that.</p>
    <p> That work has been restarted recently but we probably need to
      rethink the approach. It's possible that the PARTICIPANT component
      will work instead of a special property for resources.</p>
    <p>We can always bring out a later extension to reintroduce that
      property if we feel it's needed.</p>
    <p>I also noticed that I should have specified the uid property as a
      required property for PARTICIPANT.<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/4/17 11:01, Daniel Migault wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:windowtext">Hi
            Michael,
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:windowtext">Thanks
            for the update. The only way I see to address the nits, is
            to write in plain text RFC5545 in the abstract and use the
            reference &lt;xref tyarget=””/&gt; in the introduction. I
            guess the nits tool looks at [.*] to list references. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:windowtext">Yours,
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:windowtext">Daniel
             <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:windowtext">
                calsify [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:calsify-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:calsify-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Douglass<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 04, 2017 10:55 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:calsify@ietf.org">calsify@ietf.org</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [calsify] I-D Action:
                draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions-02.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p>Thanks for the comments. I've published an updated version 03
          and there are some comments below.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>A couple of particular points that need further work:<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
            ** The abstract seems to contain references ([RFC5545]),
          which it<br>
               shouldn't.  Please replace those with straight textual
          mentions of the<br>
               documents in question.<br>
          <br>
          Is there a guide as to when and when not a refeence?<br>
          <br>
          Also the RESTYPE parameter needs more discussion<br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">On 4/30/17 15:18, Daniel Migault wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi,
                    <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Please
                  find my comments regarding the current version. The
                  document is in good shape.
                  <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Yours, <o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Daniel<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                      1.  Introduction<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      "Formats such as VCARD are likely to be most
                      useful." I think we need some explanation. Is the
                      VCARD used by the organizer or participant of the
                      event ? If that is the case, it would be clearer
                      to mention it explicitly.
                      <o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Tried to expand a little<br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                      "The following properties and components are
                      defined in this specification". As there are two
                      kind of objects being defined, it would be
                      clarifying for the reader to specify for each item
                      below what category they belong to. My
                      understanding is that only participant is a
                      component others are properties. <o:p></o:p></p>
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        </blockquote>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I've split off participant as a separate
          paragraph<br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">   <br>
                      2.  Components and properties<br>
                      <br>
                      "In a break with this 'tradition' this
                      specification introduces some of these extensions
                      as components rather than properties."<br>
                      <br>
                      My reading is that components is not used as the
                      iCal terminology here. More specifically, this is
                      not an iCal component. If that is the case, maybe
                      we could use another term. I am trying to find one
                      but agree this is not easy.
                      <o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">At one point I thought we would have
          multiple components. I've reduced it to referring to the one
          component<br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                      3.  Typed References<br>
                      <br>
                      """<br>
                         These properties are designed to handle common
                      use cases in event<br>
                         publication.  It is generally important to
                      provide information about<br>
                         the organizers of such events.  Sponsors wish
                      to be referenced in a<br>
                         prominent manner.  In social calendaring it is
                      often important to<br>
                         identify the active participants in the event,
                      for example a school<br>
                         sports team, and the inactive participants, for
                      example the parents.<br>
                      """<br>
                      <br>
                      I also have the impression that properties is not
                      associated to teh ICal properties. In fcat I see
                      Participant as a component. In this case saying
                      the participant components and associated
                      properties seems to be clearer to me  at least.
                      <o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Left over with the move from PARTICIPANT as
          a property to a component. I've made that paragraph specific
          to PARTICIPANT<br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                      5.2.  Restype<br>
                      <br>
                      """<br>
                            Description:  This parameter MAY be
                      specified on STRUCTURED-RESOURCE<br>
                            and provides a way to differentiate multiple
                      properties.<br>
                      <br>
                            Values for this parameter are taken from the
                      values defined in<br>
                            [todo].  New resource types SHOULD be
                      registered in the manner<br>
                            laid down in that specification<br>
                      """<br>
                      <br>
                      [todo] needs to be completed.<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Yes - There was work on a vcard resource
          draft which was expected to get ahead of this one. That didn't
          happen.  We'll need some discussion on where to go with that.<br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
                      5.3.  Order<br>
                      <br>
                      """<br>
                         Description:  The ORDER parameter is OPTIONAL
                      and is used to indicate<br>
                            the relative ordering of the corresponding
                      instance of a property.<br>
                            Its value MUST be an integer greater than or
                      equal to 1 that<br>
                            quantifies the order.  Lower values
                      correspond to a higher level<br>
                            of ordering, with 1 being the highest.<br>
                      """<br>
                      <br>
                      I would like to make sure and explicit that
                      ordering is performed from low to high value or
                      the reverse.
                      <o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Tried to get rid of some of the
          higher/lower language<br>
          <br>
          I also found one or 2 issues myself. <br>
          <br>
          Property PARTTYPE has 2 names - should be PARTICIPANT-TYPE<br>
          <br>
          Property SCHEDULE-ADDRESS - definition specified value as
          iana-token. Should be cal-address<br>
          <br>
          Property SCHEDULE-DATA - specified a data type of TEXT only -
          but it should be TEXT, BINARY or URI<br>
          <br>
          Missed format type out of the descriptive text for
          STYLED-DESCRIPTION<br>
          <br>
          Component PARTICIPANT<br>
          Priority was missing from the format definition<br>
          Had structuredaddress instead of scheduleaddress<br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">   <br>
                       <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Follows the nits provided by
                      the datatracker:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                      nits: <br>
                      idnits 2.14.01 <br>
                      <br>
                      /tmp/draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions-02.txt:<br>
                      <br>
                        Checking boilerplate required by RFC 5378 and
                      the IETF Trust (see<br>
                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info">http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info</a>):<br>
                       
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                        ** There is 1 instance of too long lines in the
                      document, the longest one<br>
                           being 1 character in excess of 72.<br>
                      <br>
                        ** The abstract seems to contain references
                      ([RFC5545]), which it<br>
                           shouldn't.  Please replace those with
                      straight textual mentions of the<br>
                           documents in question.<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Is this
          referring to things like<o:p></o:p></p>
        <pre style="background:white"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Menlo&quot;,serif">This specification also defines a new STRUCTURED-DATA property for<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
        <pre style="background:white"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Menlo&quot;,serif">iCalendar [RFC5545] to allow for data that is directly pertinent to<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
          Is there a guide as to when should I use a reference and when
          not?<br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                        -- The draft header indicates that this document
                      updates RFC5545, but the<br>
                           abstract doesn't seem to directly say this. 
                      It does mention RFC5545<br>
                           though, so this could be OK.<br>
                      <br>
                        -- The draft header indicates that this document
                      updates RFC5546, but the<br>
                           abstract doesn't seem to mention this, which
                      it should.<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                        Miscellaneous warnings:<br>
                       
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                      updated by this document, for<br>
                           RFC5378 checks: 2008-10-31)<br>
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                      updated by this document, for<br>
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                        -- The document seems to lack a disclaimer for
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                           have content which was first submitted before
                      10 November 2008.  If you<br>
                           have contacted all the original authors and
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                      is fine, and you can ignore<br>
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                      for more information.)<br>
                      <br>
                        -- The document date (April 21, 2017) is 9 days
                      in the past.  Is this<br>
                           intentional?<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                        Checking references for intended status:
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                           (See RFCs 3967 and 4897 for information about
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                           to lower-maturity documents in RFCs)<br>
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                        == Unused Reference: 'RFC2434' is defined on
                      line 1079, but no explicit<br>
                           reference was found in the text<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Deleted<br>
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                        == Unused Reference: 'RFC3688' is defined on
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                        == Outdated reference:
                      draft-ietf-calext-extensions has been published as<br>
                           RFC 7986<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Fixed<br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">  ** Obsolete normative
                      reference: RFC 2434 (Obsoleted by RFC 5226)<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                           Summary: 3 errors (**), 0 flaws (~~), 3
                      warnings (==), 4 comments (--).<br>
                      <br>
                           Run idnits with the --verbose option for more
                      detailed information about<br>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 2:11 PM,
                Daniel Migault &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:daniel.migault@ericsson.com"
                  target="_blank">daniel.migault@ericsson.com</a>&gt;
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi, <o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">This starts a
                          Working Group Last Call for:<br>
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions/"
                            target="_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-<span
                              class="m1200682341277673462gmail-il">calext</span>-eventpub-extensions/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Please
                        provide your comments / reviews by  May 14.
                        <o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Yours, <o:p></o:p></p>
                  </div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Daniel <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">----------
                                    Forwarded message ----------<br>
                                    From: &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" target="_blank">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
                                    Date: Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 11:37 PM<br>
                                    Subject: [calsify] I-D Action:
                                    draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions-02.txt<br>
                                    To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:i-d-announce@ietf.org"
                                      target="_blank">i-d-announce@ietf.org</a><br>
                                    Cc: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                      target="_blank">calsify@ietf.org</a><br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    A New Internet-Draft is available
                                    from the on-line Internet-Drafts
                                    directories.<br>
                                    This draft is a work item of the
                                    Calendaring Extensions of the IETF.<br>
                                    <br>
                                            Title           : Event
                                    Publishing Extensions to iCalendar<br>
                                            Author          : Michael
                                    Douglass<br>
                                            Filename        :
                                    draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions-02.txt<br>
                                            Pages           : 28<br>
                                            Date            : 2017-04-21<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Abstract:<br>
                                       This specification introduces a
                                    number of new iCalendar properties<br>
                                       and components which are of
                                    particular use for event publishers
                                    and<br>
                                       in social networking.<br>
                                    <br>
                                       This specification also defines a
                                    new STRUCTURED-DATA property for<br>
                                       iCalendar [RFC5545] to allow for
                                    data that is directly pertinent to<br>
                                       an event or task to be included
                                    with the calendar data.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    The IETF datatracker status page for
                                    this draft is:<br>
                                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Reviewer: Jürgen Schönwälder
Review result: Ready

This document adds attachments to calendars accessed via CalDAV. The
specification is clearly written and I did not find any operational
issues that are not already addressed by the specification.




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