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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Calendaring Extensions WG of the IETF.

        Title           : JSCalendar: A JSON representation of calendar data
        Authors         : Neil Jenkins
                          Robert Stepanek
	Filename        : draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-19.txt
	Pages           : 77
	Date            : 2019-10-03

Abstract:
   This specification defines a data model and JSON representation of
   calendar data that can be used for storage and data exchange in a
   calendaring and scheduling environment.  It aims to be an
   alternative, and over time successor to, the widely deployed
   iCalendar data format and to be unambiguous, extendable and simple to
   process.  In contrast to the JSON-based jCal format, it is not a
   direct mapping from iCalendar and expands semantics where
   appropriate.


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There are also htmlized versions available at:
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Hi,

we have just submitted RFC draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-19 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-19>. We suggest to restart WG Last Call for this version.

Main changes in versions 18 and 19 include:

Properties and objects
- Added the recurrenceId property to JSEvent and JSTask.
- Added the participationComment property to the Participant object.
- Added the AbsoluteTrigger type for alert triggers with absolute UTC times.
- Replaced the snoozed property of the Alert object with the relatedTo property.
- Added the @type property to all sub-objects.
- Renamed the type property of the Link object to contentType.

RFC format and process
- Defined IANA registries for all properties, types and enumeration values.
- Refined and fixed spelling and grammar.

Cheers,
Robert
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Date: Wednesday October 10, 2019 - 11:00-12:30 US East Coast

Agenda:
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On 5/29/19 16:58, Alissa Cooper via Datatracker wrote:
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> Section 7.6:
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> " The format type and schema parameters can be specified on this
>        property and are RECOMMENDED for text or inline binary encoded
>        content information."
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> Doesn't this need to be REQUIRED rather than RECOMMENDED in order for it to
> improve rather than potentially worsen interoperability?
Agreed
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> Section 8.1:
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> "User agents MUST NOT include this information
>        without informing the participant."
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> This seems like it needs to say "without the participant's express permission."
> (As in https://www.w3.org/TR/geolocation-API).
Agreed
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> Please respond to the Gen-ART review.
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> The abstract should mention the update to RFC 7986 and the introduction should
> explain what is updated.
With removal of updates to SOURCE this draft no longer updates 7986 so 
I've removed that.
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> Section 11:
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> "This specification does not
>     introduce any additional privacy concerns beyond those described in
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> This seems untrue given the sentence that follows it, so this should be deleted.
Agreed


I'll submit a further draft soon

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Thank you. Updates will appear in version 15

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> Per the Security Considerations section, [RFC3986] and
> [W3C.REC-html51-20171003] were helpful.
>
> I was hoping to see cautionary text for the potentially danger of
> handling/parsing arbitrary binaries as allowed by STRUCTURED DATA.  I didn’t
> see it in downstream references. I also tried to find the referenced section
> suggested by “Security considerations relating to the ‘ATTACH’ property, as
> described in [RFC5545]” but could not.  It’s not the explicit Security
> Considerations (Section 7 of [RFC5545) or in the definition of Attachment
> (Section 3.8.1.1 of [RFC5545]).  Do you mean Section 3.1.3, Binary Content?
> Could you please make it clear which section you meant.
Not sure what I was looking at there. I have found some managed 
attachments text which I have modified and added
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> (1) Sections 5.1. and 5.2 state “New resource types SHOULD be registered in the
> manner laid down in this specification.”  It would be cleared if you explicitly
> referenced the relevant IANA section.
Done
>
> (2) Section 6.  Doesn't the sentence “[t]he SOURCE property defined in
> [RFC7986]  is redefined …” suggests that this document should also officially
> update RFC7986?
We're no longer updating that property
>
> (3) Editorial nits:
>
> Global.  “vcard” and “VCARD” is used interchangeably.  Recommend choosing one
> and being consistent
Used vCard throughout
>
> Section 2.  Misplaced comma?.  s/JSON,  [RFC8259]/JSON [RFC8259]
>
> Section 3.  Typo.  s/informations/information/
>
> Section 3.1.2. Typo. s/traveller/traveler/
>
> Section 3.1.2.1.  Typo. s/non/none/
>
> Section 7.5.  Typo.  s/sevices/services/
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> Section 9.2.  Typo.  s/plaaning/planning/
All done.
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Calendaring Extensions WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Event Publishing Extensions to iCalendar
        Author          : Michael Douglass
	Filename        : draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions-15.txt
	Pages           : 33
	Date            : 2019-10-08

Abstract:
   This specification updates RFC5545 by introducing a number of new
   iCalendar properties and components which are of particular use for
   event publishers and in social networking.

   This specification also defines a new STRUCTURED-DATA property for
   iCalendar RFC5545 to allow for data that is directly pertinent to an
   event or task to be included with the calendar data.


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Hi all,

The interim meeting is starting in 20 minutes. The remote participation link is here:

https://zoom.us/j/4574164360

See you there!

Cheers,

Bron.

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please use the link that has just been sent.
Yours,
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> Hi all,
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> The interim meeting is starting in 20 minutes.  The remote participation
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>
> See you there!
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Hi all,

I've uploaded the minutes and blue-sheets from today's interim meeting:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-calext-02/materials/mi=
nutes-interim-2019-calext-02-201910091100
https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim-2019-calext-02/bluesheets/blues=
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(no: I don't know why the datatracker gives such different links, but th=
at's what it does!)

The chair slides which I presented from are also in the datatracker here=
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-calext-02/materials/sl=
ides-interim-2019-calext-02-sessa-chair-slides

I'll paste the minutes inline in this email too.

Cheers,

Bron.

Calext Interim Meeting Minutes: 2019-10-10, 11:00 Philadelphia Time

 * Present:
 - Bron Gondwana, Fastmail (chair)
 - Daniel Migault, Ericsson (chair, remote)
 - Neil Jenkins, Fastmail
 - Ken Murchison, Fastmail
 - Hans J=C3=B6rg Happel, Audriga
 - Alexander Nimmervoll, Caldav Sychroniser
 - Gershon Janssen, Individual
 - Rutger Geelen, SchedJoules
 - Mike Douglass, Spherical Cow Group
 - Shane Mountain, Twitch (remote)
 - Robert Stepanek, Fastmail (remote)
 - Ryan Gunter, Twitch (remote)
 - Todd Parker, Twitch (remote)
 * Agenda
 - There was no agenda bashing
 * Eventpub
 - v16 will go up later today with support for multiple locations
 - next step: immediate working group last call
 * jscalendar
 - v19 has been published with a few small changes
 - Will do one more update with remaining comments from CalConnect call,=
 then go direct to working group last call.
 - Will email iana with =E2=80=9Chere=E2=80=99s what we propose" concurr=
ently with the working group last call.
 * jscalendar to icalendar translation
 - (wasn=E2=80=99t on agenda, but is related)
 - we won=E2=80=99t wait on this for jscalendar last call - but will con=
tinue work after jscalendar working group last call feedback is integrat=
ed
 * subscription upgrade
 - needs minor updates, will get done this week
 - next step: working group last call
 * valarm extensions
 - Daniel will loop around to geopriv people for comment on location ala=
rms
 - Document needs to be updated to explain why geopriv issue is mitigate=
d
 - Ken expects to have an update for that in the next two weeks.
 - After that, last call!
 * calext-maintenance-notifications
 - This has been floating around a while within the industry, multiple o=
rgs want a way to share standardised notifications, asking us for advice=
!
 - feedback was =E2=80=9Cdon=E2=80=99t use X-NAME=E2=80=9D, suggestions =
were define new properties or use structured data from eventpub.
 - if using structured data, could make the schema public, potentially o=
n schema.org
 - in general the idea of using a regular iCalendar event with a payload=
 is good
 - may not even need to do an IETF document if using structured-data pay=
load.
 - but maybe the other vendors want it locked down? Maybe a best current=
 practices doc around how the payload is being used.
 - Next steps: Twitch team will take our feedback to the other vendors a=
nd discuss their options.
 * vpoll
 - What=E2=80=99s there clearly works now
 - Definitely want to replace VVOTER with PARTICIPANT
 - Ken will help Mike rewrite to split core and basic mode
 - Implementation status: multiple compatible implementations, it=E2=80=99=
s been shown to work in testing, but they=E2=80=99ll all need to be upda=
ted!
 - Want to make sure nobody starts shipping before we=E2=80=99ve made th=
e direction changes we want!
 - Next steps: new draft showing which direction we=E2=80=99re taking it=
, then circle back to collect feedback and test again.
 * series
 - Current draft is expired
 - There was some discussion, it clearly needs some work.
 - Next step: call for adoption immediately, upload with working-group f=
ile name if adopted, then work on detail.
 * Other business
 - No other business.
 - We have asked for an hour in Singapore, hopefully it will cross over =
OK with timezone to allow remote participants to join.
 - Let=E2=80=99s get these current documents done - November will be a g=
ood checkpoint.

Meeting finished at 11:57


--
 Bron Gondwana, CEO, Fastmail Pty Ltd
 brong@fastmailteam.com


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<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type=3D"text/css">p.Mso=
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amily:Arial;">Hi all,<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;"><br>I'v=
e uploaded the minutes and blue-sheets from today's interim meeting:</di=
v><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:=
Arial;"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-cal=
ext-02/materials/minutes-interim-2019-calext-02-201910091100">https://da=
tatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-calext-02/materials/minutes-inte=
rim-2019-calext-02-201910091100</a><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:A=
rial;"><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim-2019-calext-0=
2/bluesheets/bluesheets-interim-2019-calext-02-201910091100-00.txt">http=
s://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim-2019-calext-02/bluesheets/bluesheet=
s-interim-2019-calext-02-201910091100-00.txt</a><br></div><div style=3D"=
font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;"><div sty=
le=3D"font-family:Arial;">(no: I don't know why the datatracker gives su=
ch different links, but that's what it does!)<br></div><div style=3D"fon=
t-family:Arial;"><br></div></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">The c=
hair slides which I presented from are also in the datatracker here:<br>=
</div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Arial;"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019=
-calext-02/materials/slides-interim-2019-calext-02-sessa-chair-slides">h=
ttps://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-calext-02/materials/sli=
des-interim-2019-calext-02-sessa-chair-slides</a><br></div><div style=3D=
"font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">I'll pa=
ste the minutes inline in this email too.<br></div><div style=3D"font-fa=
mily:Arial;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">Cheers,<br></di=
v><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;"><br>Bron.</div><div style=3D"font-fa=
mily:Arial;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">Calext Interim =
Meeting Minutes: 2019-10-10, 11:00 Philadelphia Time<br></div><div style=
=3D"font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbs=
p; * Present:<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp; - Bron Gondwana, Fastmail (chair)<br></div><div style=3D"font-family=
:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Daniel Migault, Ericsson (chair, remote)<b=
r></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Neil Jenk=
ins, Fastmail<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp; - Ken Murchison, Fastmail<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;"=
>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Hans J=C3=B6rg Happel, Audriga<br></div><div style=
=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Alexander Nimmervoll, Calda=
v Sychroniser<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp; - Gershon Janssen, Individual<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Ari=
al;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Rutger Geelen, SchedJoules<br></div><div style=
=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Mike Douglass, Spherical Co=
w Group<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - =
Shane Mountain, Twitch (remote)<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial=
;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Robert Stepanek, Fastmail (remote)<br></div><div=
 style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Ryan Gunter, Twitch (=
remote)<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - =
Todd Parker, Twitch (remote)<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">=
&nbsp; * Agenda<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; - There was no agenda bashing<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:A=
rial;">&nbsp; * Eventpub<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; - v16 will go up later today with support for multiple lo=
cations<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - =
next step: immediate working group last call<br></div><div style=3D"font=
-family:Arial;">&nbsp; * jscalendar<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:A=
rial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - v19 has been published with a few small chan=
ges<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Will=
 do one more update with remaining comments from CalConnect call, then g=
o direct to working group last call.<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:=
Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Will email iana with =E2=80=9Chere=E2=80=99=
s what we propose" concurrently with the working group last call.<br></d=
iv><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp; * jscalendar to icalendar tr=
anslation<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
- (wasn=E2=80=99t on agenda, but is related)<br></div><div style=3D"font=
-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - we won=E2=80=99t wait on this for j=
scalendar last call - but will continue work after jscalendar working gr=
oup last call feedback is integrated<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:=
Arial;">&nbsp; * subscription upgrade<br></div><div style=3D"font-family=
:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - needs minor updates, will get done this we=
ek<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - next =
step: working group last call<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;"=
>&nbsp; * valarm extensions<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Daniel will loop around to geopriv people for commen=
t on location alarms<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; - Document needs to be updated to explain why geopriv issue i=
s mitigated<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
; - Ken expects to have an update for that in the next two weeks.<br></d=
iv><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - After that, la=
st call!<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp; * calext-main=
tenance-notifications<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; - This has been floating around a while within the industry,=
 multiple orgs want a way to share standardised notifications, asking us=
 for advice!<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; - feedback was =E2=80=9Cdon=E2=80=99t use X-NAME=E2=80=9D, suggestion=
s were define new properties or use structured data from eventpub.<br></=
div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - if using stru=
ctured data, could make the schema public, potentially on schema.org<br>=
</div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - in general =
the idea of using a regular iCalendar event with a payload is good<br></=
div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - may not even =
need to do an IETF document if using structured-data payload.<br></div><=
div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - but maybe the othe=
r vendors want it locked down? &nbsp;Maybe a best current practices doc =
around how the payload is being used.<br></div><div style=3D"font-family=
:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Next steps: Twitch team will take our feed=
back to the other vendors and discuss their options.<br></div><div style=
=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp; * vpoll<br></div><div style=3D"font-famil=
y:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - What=E2=80=99s there clearly works now<br=
></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Definitely=
 want to replace VVOTER with PARTICIPANT<br></div><div style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Ken will help Mike rewrite to split cor=
e and basic mode<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; - Implementation status: multiple compatible implementations, it=E2=
=80=99s been shown to work in testing, but they=E2=80=99ll all need to b=
e updated!<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 - Want to make sure nobody starts shipping before we=E2=80=99ve made th=
e direction changes we want!<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Next steps: new draft showing which direction we=E2=
=80=99re taking it, then circle back to collect feedback and test again.=
<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp; * series<br></div><di=
v style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Current draft is exp=
ired<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - The=
re was some discussion, it clearly needs some work.<br></div><div style=3D=
"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Next step: call for adoption i=
mmediately, upload with working-group file name if adopted, then work on=
 detail.<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp; * Other busin=
ess<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - No o=
ther business.<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp; - We have asked for an hour in Singapore, hopefully it will cross o=
ver OK with timezone to allow remote participants to join.<br></div><div=
 style=3D"font-family:Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Let=E2=80=99s get the=
se current documents done - November will be a good checkpoint.<br></div=
><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:A=
rial;">Meeting finished at 11:57<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Aria=
l;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div id=3D"sig=
56629417"><div class=3D"signature">--<br></div><div class=3D"signature">=
&nbsp; Bron Gondwana, CEO, Fastmail Pty Ltd<br></div><div class=3D"signa=
ture">&nbsp; brong@fastmailteam.com<br></div><div class=3D"signature"><b=
r></div></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;"><br></div></body></html>
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In today's interim meeting, we decided to make a formal call for adoption to the list for the expired draft:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-douglass-icalendar-series/

Unless there are objections, Mike will upload this draft with a draft-ieft-calext prefix and we will accept the document into this working group. We expect there will be some changes made before publication.

Please reply if you have any objections or questions by October 24th, otherwise we will adopt the document at that time.

Cheers,

Bron.

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amily:Arial;">In today's interim meeting, we decided to make a formal ca=
ll for adoption to the list for the expired draft:<br></div><div style=3D=
"font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;"><a href=
=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-douglass-icalendar-series/">h=
ttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-douglass-icalendar-series/</a><br>=
</div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Arial;">Unless there are objections, Mike will upload this draft wit=
h a draft-ieft-calext prefix and we will accept the document into this w=
orking group.&nbsp; We expect there will be some changes made before pub=
lication.<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div styl=
e=3D"font-family:Arial;">Please reply if you have any objections or ques=
tions by October 24th, otherwise we will adopt the document at that time=
.<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style=3D"fon=
t-family:Arial;">Cheers,<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;"><br>=
</div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;">Bron.<br></div><div style=3D"fon=
t-family:Arial;"><br></div><div id=3D"sig56629417"><div class=3D"signatu=
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Apologies for not getting the video up from the last interim meeting in a timely way!

I've now uploaded both the last meeting and this meeting's video to youtube:

June 6th, Bedford
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywRGh5DgjiE 

October 10th, Philadelphia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h_4Qhnmptg

I'll contact IETF about getting them put into the official youtube channel as well.

Cheers,

Bron.

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The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5545,
"Internet Calendaring and Scheduling Core Object Specification (iCalendar)".

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You may review the report below and at:
https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5872

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Type: Technical
Reported by: Lars Henriksen <LarsHenriksen@get2net.dk>

Section: 3.8.5.3

Original Text
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Weekly on Tuesday and Thursday for five weeks:

       DTSTART;TZID=America/New_York:19970902T090000
       RRULE:FREQ=WEEKLY;UNTIL=19971007T000000Z;WKST=SU;BYDAY=TU,TH

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Weekly on Tuesday and Thursday for five weeks:

       DTSTART;TZID=America/New_York:19970902T090000
       RRULE:FREQ=WEEKLY;UNTIL=19971002T000000Z;WKST=SU;BYDAY=TU,TH

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The UNTIL rule is inclusive, and October 7, a Tuesday, should not be included.

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RFC5545 (draft-ietf-calsify-rfc2445bis-10)
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Title               : Internet Calendaring and Scheduling Core Object Specification (iCalendar)
Publication Date    : September 2009
Author(s)           : B. Desruisseaux, Ed.
Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
Source              : Calendaring and Scheduling Standards Simplification
Area                : Applications
Stream              : IETF
Verifying Party     : IESG


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On Thu, 10 Oct 2019, at 17:18, RFC Errata System wrote:
> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5545,
> "Internet Calendaring and Scheduling Core Object Specification (iCalendar)".
> 
> --------------------------------------
> You may review the report below and at:
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5872
> 
> --------------------------------------
> Type: Technical
> Reported by: Lars Henriksen <LarsHenriksen@get2net.dk>
> 
> Section: 3.8.5.3
> 
> Original Text
> -------------
> Weekly on Tuesday and Thursday for five weeks:
> 
>  DTSTART;TZID=America/New_York:19970902T090000
>  RRULE:FREQ=WEEKLY;UNTIL=19971007T000000Z;WKST=SU;BYDAY=TU,TH
> 
> Corrected Text
> --------------
> Weekly on Tuesday and Thursday for five weeks:
> 
>  DTSTART;TZID=America/New_York:19970902T090000
>  RRULE:FREQ=WEEKLY;UNTIL=19971002T000000Z;WKST=SU;BYDAY=TU,TH
> 
> Notes
> -----
> The UNTIL rule is inclusive, and October 7, a Tuesday, should not be included.

This erratum is invalid. The original example, while slightly weird, is correct as is. The event's DTSTART time is 09:00 New York TIme, and the UNTIL time is 00:00 UTC, which is before this. Therefore you would not get a recurrence on the 7 Oct with this rule and so it would produce 10 occurrences, as specified. The "corrected text" is in fact invalid, as this would remove the 2nd Oct occurrence.

Neil.
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te" id=3D"qt"><div>The following errata report has been submitted for RF=
C5545,<br></div><div>"Internet Calendaring and Scheduling Core Object Sp=
ecification (iCalendar)".<br></div><div><br></div><div>-----------------=
---------------------<br></div><div>You may review the report below and =
at:<br></div><div>https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5872<br></div><di=
v><br></div><div>--------------------------------------<br></div><div>Ty=
pe: Technical<br></div><div>Reported by: Lars Henriksen &lt;LarsHenrikse=
n@get2net.dk&gt;<br></div><div><br></div><div>Section: 3.8.5.3<br></div>=
<div><br></div><div>Original Text<br></div><div>-------------<br></div><=
div>Weekly on Tuesday and Thursday for five weeks:<br></div><div><br></d=
iv><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DTSTART;TZID=3DAmerica/New_=
York:19970902T090000<br></div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
RRULE:FREQ=3DWEEKLY;UNTIL=3D19971007T000000Z;WKST=3DSU;BYDAY=3DTU,TH<br>=
</div><div><br></div><div>Corrected Text<br></div><div>--------------<br=
></div><div>Weekly on Tuesday and Thursday for five weeks:<br></div><div=
><br></div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DTSTART;TZID=3DAmer=
ica/New_York:19970902T090000<br></div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; RRULE:FREQ=3DWEEKLY;UNTIL=3D19971002T000000Z;WKST=3DSU;BYDAY=3DT=
U,TH<br></div><div><br></div><div>Notes<br></div><div>-----<br></div><di=
v>The UNTIL rule is inclusive, and October 7, a Tuesday, should not be i=
ncluded.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This erratum is inval=
id. The original example, while slightly weird, is correct as is. The ev=
ent's DTSTART time is 09:00 New York TIme, and the UNTIL time is&nbsp;00=
:00 UTC, which is before this. Therefore you would not get a recurrence =
on the 7 Oct with this rule and so it would produce 10 occurrences, as s=
pecified. The "corrected text" is in fact invalid, as this would remove =
the 2nd Oct occurrence.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Neil.<br></div></bo=
dy></html>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Calendaring Extensions WG of the IETF.

        Title           : JSCalendar: A JSON representation of calendar data
        Authors         : Neil Jenkins
                          Robert Stepanek
	Filename        : draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20.txt
	Pages           : 79
	Date            : 2019-10-15

Abstract:
   This specification defines a data model and JSON representation of
   calendar data that can be used for storage and data exchange in a
   calendaring and scheduling environment.  It aims to be an
   alternative, and over time successor to, the widely deployed
   iCalendar data format and to be unambiguous, extendable and simple to
   process.  In contrast to the JSON-based jCal format, it is not a
   direct mapping from iCalendar and expands semantics where
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Hi all,

As you've probably seen, I've published another update <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20> to the JSCalendar draft with the changes discussed at the interim IETF meeting/CalConnect last week. A quick summary of the changes:

 * Added Location#categories property
 * Added Participant#scheduleAgent property
 * Added Participant#language property
 * Removed Participant#attendance property (this maps to roles instead)
 * Made Participant#sendTo optional
 * Made Alert#trigger mandatory

*Daniel*, could you please restart the last call; I think two weeks should be sufficient given how extensively this draft has already been reviewed over the years!

Cheers,
Neil.
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v><div><br></div><div>As you've probably seen, I've published <a href=3D=
"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20">another up=
date</a> to the JSCalendar draft with the changes discussed at the inter=
im IETF meeting/CalConnect last week. A quick summary of the changes:<br=
></div><div><br></div><ul></ul><ul><li>Added Location#categories propert=
y<br></li><li>Added Participant#scheduleAgent property<br></li><li>Added=
 Participant#language property<br></li><li>Removed Participant#attendanc=
e property (this maps to roles instead)<br></li><li>Made Participant#sen=
dTo optional<br></li><li>Made Alert#trigger mandatory<br></li></ul><div>=
<br></div><div><b>Daniel</b>, could you please restart the last call; I =
think two weeks should be sufficient given how extensively this draft ha=
s already been reviewed over the years!<br></div><div><br></div><div>Che=
ers,<br></div><div>Neil.</div></body></html>
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Hi,

This email starts a WGLC for draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar [1].

The WGLC will end on October 30. Please review the document and provide you=
r feed back on the mailing list. All feed back are useful for our AD to mov=
e the work forward.

Yours,
Daniel

[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20

From: calsify <calsify-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Neil Jenkins
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 11:56 AM
To: calsify@ietf.org
Subject: [calsify] Request to start last call for JSCalendar

Hi all,

As you've probably seen, I've published another update<https://tools.ietf.o=
rg/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20> to the JSCalendar draft with the c=
hanges discussed at the interim IETF meeting/CalConnect last week. A quick =
summary of the changes:


  *   Added Location#categories property
  *   Added Participant#scheduleAgent property
  *   Added Participant#language property
  *   Removed Participant#attendance property (this maps to roles instead)
  *   Made Participant#sendTo optional
  *   Made Alert#trigger mandatory

Daniel, could you please restart the last call; I think two weeks should be=
 sufficient given how extensively this draft has already been reviewed over=
 the years!

Cheers,
Neil.

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This email starts a WGLC for draft-ietf-calext-jscal=
endar [1].
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The WGLC will end on October 30. Please review the d=
ocument and provide your feed back on the mailing list. All feed back are u=
seful for our AD to move the work forward.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Yours, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Daniel<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">[1] <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-iet=
f-calext-jscalendar-20">
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20</a><o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> calsify &lt;calsify-bounces@ietf.org&gt=
; <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Neil Jenkins<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 15, 2019 11:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> calsify@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [calsify] Request to start last call for JSCalendar<o:p></o=
:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">As you've probably seen, I've published <a href=3D"h=
ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20">
another update</a> to the JSCalendar draft with the changes discussed at th=
e interim IETF meeting/CalConnect last week. A quick summary of the changes=
:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-=
alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
Added Location#categories property<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo2">
Added Participant#scheduleAgent property<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoNor=
mal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l=
0 level1 lfo2">
Added Participant#language property<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 lev=
el1 lfo2">
Removed Participant#attendance property (this maps to roles instead)<o:p></=
o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margi=
n-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
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le=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1=
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Made Alert#trigger mandatory<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Daniel</b>, could you please restart the last cal=
l; I think two weeks should be sufficient given how extensively this draft =
has already been reviewed over the years!<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Neil.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Hi all,

I've just read the current draft and had a few minor nitpicks, see below.

4.1.4. prodId 
(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20#section-4.1.4)

In this context, what is the JSCalendar object? Is it the JSON object 
(or its serialized form) I'm currently looking at or is it the calendar 
entity that is represented by this JSON object?

To put it in other words, should a JSCalendar serializer always insert 
its own "prodId" when serializing an internal representation to a 
JSCalendar JSON file (even if no data was changed)?

Or is this related to the "updated" field? Should you only update 
"prodId" when you also update "updated"?

4.3.2. recurrenceRule 
(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20#section-4.3.2)

The limits mentioned for "byMonth", "byMonthDay" and "byYearDay" are 
specific to the Gregorian calendar scale, e.g

> Valid values are 1 to 31 or -31 to -1
>
But other calendar scales may other limits. We should make clear that 
the limits depend on the maximum values of the respective calendar scale 
and maybe add "for Gregorian calendars the valid values are 1 to 31 or 
-31 to -1".

4.3.2.1. Interpreting recurrence rules 
(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20#section-4.3.2.1)

> which defaults to gregorian if omitted.
gregorian should be quoted, I guess.

It may also be worth stating explicitly that the "skip" parameter only 
affects "yearly" and "monthly" rules (IIRC RScale didn't address 
ambiguous/invalid times during daylight saving changes)

In this paragraph:

>   If a skip property is defined and is not "omit", there may be
>         candidates that do not correspond to valid dates (e.g. 31st
>         February in the gregorian calendar).  In this case, the
>         properties MUST be considered in the order above and:
Gregorian should be capitalized.


Regards,

Marten


Am 15.10.19 um 20:03 schrieb Daniel Migault:
>
> Hi,
>
> This email starts a WGLC for draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar [1].
>
> The WGLC will end on October 30. Please review the document and 
> provide your feed back on the mailing list. All feed back are useful 
> for our AD to move the work forward.
>
> Yours,
>
> Daniel
>
> [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20 
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20>
>
> *From:* calsify <calsify-bounces@ietf.org> *On Behalf Of *Neil Jenkins
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 15, 2019 11:56 AM
> *To:* calsify@ietf.org
> *Subject:* [calsify] Request to start last call for JSCalendar
>
> Hi all,
>
> As you've probably seen, I've published another update 
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20> to the 
> JSCalendar draft with the changes discussed at the interim IETF 
> meeting/CalConnect last week. A quick summary of the changes:
>
>   * Added Location#categories property
>   * Added Participant#scheduleAgent property
>   * Added Participant#language property
>   * Removed Participant#attendance property (this maps to roles instead)
>   * Made Participant#sendTo optional
>   * Made Alert#trigger mandatory
>
> *Daniel*, could you please restart the last call; I think two weeks 
> should be sufficient given how extensively this draft has already been 
> reviewed over the years!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Neil.
>
>
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    <p>Hi all,</p>
    <p>I've just read the current draft and had a few minor nitpicks,
      see below.<br>
    </p>
    <p>4.1.4. prodId
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20#section-4.1.4">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20#section-4.1.4</a>)</p>
    <p>In this context, what is the JSCalendar object? Is it the JSON
      object (or its serialized form) I'm currently looking at or is it
      the calendar entity that is represented by this JSON object?</p>
    <p>To put it in other words, should a JSCalendar serializer always
      insert its own "prodId" when serializing an internal
      representation to a JSCalendar JSON file (even if no data was
      changed)?</p>
    <p>Or is this related to the "updated" field? Should you only update
      "prodId" when you also update "updated"?<br>
    </p>
    <p>4.3.2. recurrenceRule
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20#section-4.3.2">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20#section-4.3.2</a>)<br>
    </p>
    <p>The limits mentioned for "byMonth", "byMonthDay" and "byYearDay"
      are specific to the Gregorian calendar scale, e.g</p>
    <p>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <p>Valid values are 1 to 31 or -31 to -1</p>
      </blockquote>
    </p>
    <p>But other calendar scales may other limits. We should make clear
      that the limits depend on the maximum values of the respective
      calendar scale and maybe add "for Gregorian calendars the valid
      values are 1 to 31 or -31 to -1".</p>
    <p>4.3.2.1. Interpreting recurrence
rules
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20#section-4.3.2.1">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20#section-4.3.2.1</a>)</p>
    <p>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <pre class="newpage">which defaults to gregorian if omitted.</pre>
      </blockquote>
      gregorian should be quoted, I guess.<br>
    </p>
    <p>It may also be worth stating explicitly that the "skip" parameter
      only affects "yearly" and "monthly" rules (IIRC RScale didn't
      address ambiguous/invalid times during daylight saving changes)<br>
    </p>
    <p>In this paragraph:</p>
    <p>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <pre class="newpage"> If a skip property is defined and is not "omit", there may be
       candidates that do not correspond to valid dates (e.g. 31st
       February in the gregorian calendar).  In this case, the
       properties MUST be considered in the order above and:</pre>
      </blockquote>
      Gregorian should be capitalized.<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Regards,</p>
    <p>Marten<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 15.10.19 um 20:03 schrieb Daniel
      Migault:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">This email starts a WGLC for
          draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar [1].
          <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">The WGLC will end on October 30. Please
          review the document and provide your feed back on the mailing
          list. All feed back are useful for our AD to move the work
          forward.
          <o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Yours, <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Daniel<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">[1] <a
            href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20"
            moz-do-not-send="true">
            https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:calsify-bounces@ietf.org">&lt;calsify-bounces@ietf.org&gt;</a> <b>On Behalf Of
              </b>Neil Jenkins<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 15, 2019 11:56 AM<br>
              <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:calsify@ietf.org">calsify@ietf.org</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> [calsify] Request to start last call for
              JSCalendar<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">As you've probably seen, I've published <a
href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20"
              moz-do-not-send="true">
              another update</a> to the JSCalendar draft with the
            changes discussed at the interim IETF meeting/CalConnect
            last week. A quick summary of the changes:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Daniel</b>, could you please restart
            the last call; I think two weeks should be sufficient given
            how extensively this draft has already been reviewed over
            the years!<o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Neil.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Thanks for the review Marten.

> 4.1.4. prodId (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20#section-4.1.4)

> In this context, what is the JSCalendar object? Is it the JSON object (or its serialized form) I'm currently looking at or is it the calendar entity that is represented by this JSON object?

> To put it in other words, should a JSCalendar serializer always insert its own "prodId" when serializing an internal representation to a JSCalendar JSON file (even if no data was changed)?

> Or is this related to the "updated" field? Should you only update "prodId" when you also update "updated"?


I think this should be whatever client last updated the event; so yes, only updating "prodId" when you also update the "updated" timestamp (which you should do whenever you make changes) is a neat way to describe it. I'll update the spec.

> 4.3.2. recurrenceRule (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20#section-4.3.2)

> The limits mentioned for "byMonth", "byMonthDay" and "byYearDay" are specific to the Gregorian calendar scale, e.g

> But other calendar scales may other limits. We should make clear that the limits depend on the maximum values of the respective calendar scale and maybe add "for Gregorian calendars the valid values are 1 to 31 or -31 to -1".


Thanks, I have clarified this (I presume you meant byWeekNo instead of byMonth).

> 4.3.2.1. Interpreting recurrence rules (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20#section-4.3.2.1)

> which defaults to gregorian if omitted.

> gregorian should be quoted, I guess.

Sure.

> It may also be worth stating explicitly that the "skip" parameter only affects "yearly" and "monthly" rules (IIRC RScale didn't address ambiguous/invalid times during daylight saving changes)


Sure, I've noted in the definition of the skip property that it only has an effect if the frequency is "monthly" or "yearly".

> Gregorian should be capitalized.

Thanks, done.

Cheers,
Neil.
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p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div>Thanks for the review Marten.<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt"><p>4.1.4.&nbsp; prodId&nbsp;
(<a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20#section-4.1.4" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20#section-4.1.4</a>)<br></p><p>In this context, what is the JSCalendar object? Is it the JSON
      object (or its serialized form) I'm currently looking at or is it
      the calendar entity that is represented by this JSON object?<br></p><p>To put it in other words, should a JSCalendar serializer always
      insert its own "prodId" when serializing an internal
      representation to a JSCalendar JSON file (even if no data was
      changed)?<br></p><p>Or is this related to the "updated" field? Should you only update
      "prodId" when you also update "updated"?<br></p></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think this should be whatever client last updated the event; so yes, only updating "prodId" when you also update the "updated" timestamp (which you should do whenever you make changes) is a neat way to describe it. I'll update the spec.<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt"><p>4.3.2.&nbsp; recurrenceRule
(<a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20#section-4.3.2" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20#section-4.3.2</a>)<br></p><p>The limits mentioned for "byMonth", "byMonthDay" and "byYearDay"
      are specific to the Gregorian calendar scale, e.g<br></p><p>But other calendar scales may other limits. We should make clear
      that the limits depend on the maximum values of the respective
      calendar scale and maybe add "for Gregorian calendars the valid
      values are 1 to 31 or -31 to -1".<br></p></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thanks, I have clarified this (I presume you meant byWeekNo instead of byMonth).<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt"><p>4.3.2.1.&nbsp; Interpreting recurrence
rules&nbsp;
(<a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20#section-4.3.2.1" class="qt-moz-txt-link-freetext">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20#section-4.3.2.1</a>)<br></p><p>which defaults to gregorian if omitted.<br></p><div>gregorian should be quoted, I guess.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sure.<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt"><p>It may also be worth stating explicitly that the "skip" parameter
      only affects "yearly" and "monthly" rules (IIRC RScale didn't
      address ambiguous/invalid times during daylight saving changes)<br></p></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sure, I've noted in the definition of the skip property that it only has an effect if the frequency is "monthly" or "yearly".</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt"><div>Gregorian should be capitalized.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thanks, done.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,<br></div><div>Neil.</div></body></html>
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Section 8.3.2 appears to have the wrong text:

8.3.2.  Initial Contents for the JSCalendar Properties Registry

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8.3.2.  Initial Contents for the JSCalendar Types Registry

On 10/15/19 14:03, Daniel Migault wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> This email starts a WGLC for draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar [1].
>
> The WGLC will end on October 30. Please review the document and 
> provide your feed back on the mailing list. All feed back are useful 
> for our AD to move the work forward.
>
> Yours,
>
> Daniel
>
> [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20 
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20>
>
> *From:* calsify <calsify-bounces@ietf.org> *On Behalf Of *Neil Jenkins
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 15, 2019 11:56 AM
> *To:* calsify@ietf.org
> *Subject:* [calsify] Request to start last call for JSCalendar
>
> Hi all,
>
> As you've probably seen, I've published another update 
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20> to the 
> JSCalendar draft with the changes discussed at the interim IETF 
> meeting/CalConnect last week. A quick summary of the changes:
>
>   * Added Location#categories property
>   * Added Participant#scheduleAgent property
>   * Added Participant#language property
>   * Removed Participant#attendance property (this maps to roles instead)
>   * Made Participant#sendTo optional
>   * Made Alert#trigger mandatory
>
> *Daniel*, could you please restart the last call; I think two weeks 
> should be sufficient given how extensively this draft has already been 
> reviewed over the years!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Neil.
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Hi, <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">This email starts a WGLC for
          draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar [1].
          <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">The WGLC will end on October 30. Please
          review the document and provide your feed back on the mailing
          list. All feed back are useful for our AD to move the work
          forward.
          <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Yours, <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Daniel<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">[1] <a
            href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20"
            moz-do-not-send="true">
            https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> calsify
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:calsify-bounces@ietf.org">&lt;calsify-bounces@ietf.org&gt;</a> <b>On Behalf Of
              </b>Neil Jenkins<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 15, 2019 11:56 AM<br>
              <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:calsify@ietf.org">calsify@ietf.org</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> [calsify] Request to start last call for
              JSCalendar<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">As you've probably seen, I've published <a
href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20"
              moz-do-not-send="true">
              another update</a> to the JSCalendar draft with the
            changes discussed at the interim IETF meeting/CalConnect
            last week. A quick summary of the changes:<o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
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        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Daniel</b>, could you please restart
            the last call; I think two weeks should be sufficient given
            how extensively this draft has already been reviewed over
            the years!<o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Neil.<o:p></o:p></p>
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and in section 8.2.6 categories shows up twice in the table. Was that 
intended?

On 10/23/19 13:33, Michael Douglass wrote:
>
> Section 8.3.2 appears to have the wrong text:
>
> 8.3.2.  Initial Contents for the JSCalendar Properties Registry
>
> should be
>
> 8.3.2.  Initial Contents for the JSCalendar Types Registry
> On 10/15/19 14:03, Daniel Migault wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This email starts a WGLC for draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar [1].
>>
>> The WGLC will end on October 30. Please review the document and 
>> provide your feed back on the mailing list. All feed back are useful 
>> for our AD to move the work forward.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20 
>> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20>
>>
>> *From:* calsify <calsify-bounces@ietf.org> *On Behalf Of *Neil Jenkins
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 15, 2019 11:56 AM
>> *To:* calsify@ietf.org
>> *Subject:* [calsify] Request to start last call for JSCalendar
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As you've probably seen, I've published another update 
>> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20> to the 
>> JSCalendar draft with the changes discussed at the interim IETF 
>> meeting/CalConnect last week. A quick summary of the changes:
>>
>>   * Added Location#categories property
>>   * Added Participant#scheduleAgent property
>>   * Added Participant#language property
>>   * Removed Participant#attendance property (this maps to roles instead)
>>   * Made Participant#sendTo optional
>>   * Made Alert#trigger mandatory
>>
>> *Daniel*, could you please restart the last call; I think two weeks 
>> should be sufficient given how extensively this draft has already 
>> been reviewed over the years!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Neil.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> calsify mailing list
>> calsify@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/calsify

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    <p>and in section 8.2.6 categories shows up twice in the table. Was
      that intended?<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/23/19 13:33, Michael Douglass
      wrote:<br>
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      <p>Section 8.3.2 appears to have the wrong text:</p>
      <pre style="background-color:#ffffff;color:#000000;font-family:'Menlo';font-size:9.0pt;">8.3.2.  Initial Contents for the JSCalendar Properties Registry

should be

8.3.2.  Initial Contents for the JSCalendar Types Registry
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Hi, <o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">This email starts a WGLC for
            draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar [1]. <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">The WGLC will end on October 30. Please
            review the document and provide your feed back on the
            mailing list. All feed back are useful for our AD to move
            the work forward. <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Yours, <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Daniel<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">[1] <a
              href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20"
              moz-do-not-send="true">
              https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20</a><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> calsify <a
                  class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                  href="mailto:calsify-bounces@ietf.org"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;calsify-bounces@ietf.org&gt;</a>
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Neil Jenkins<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 15, 2019 11:56 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                  href="mailto:calsify@ietf.org" moz-do-not-send="true">calsify@ietf.org</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> [calsify] Request to start last call for
                JSCalendar<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">As you've probably seen, I've published
              <a
                href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20"
                moz-do-not-send="true"> another update</a> to the
              JSCalendar draft with the changes discussed at the interim
              IETF meeting/CalConnect last week. A quick summary of the
              changes:<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
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          <ul type="disc">
            <li class="MsoNormal"
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              level1 lfo2"> Added Participant#scheduleAgent property<o:p></o:p></li>
            <li class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Daniel</b>, could you please restart
              the last call; I think two weeks should be sufficient
              given how extensively this draft has already been reviewed
              over the years!<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
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On 10/23/19 15:24, Michael Douglass wrote:
>
> and in section 8.2.6 categories shows up twice in the table. Was that 
> intended?
>
and also "status"
>
> On 10/23/19 13:33, Michael Douglass wrote:
>>
>> Section 8.3.2 appears to have the wrong text:
>>
>> 8.3.2.  Initial Contents for the JSCalendar Properties Registry
>>
>> should be
>>
>> 8.3.2.  Initial Contents for the JSCalendar Types Registry
>> On 10/15/19 14:03, Daniel Migault wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> This email starts a WGLC for draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar [1].
>>>
>>> The WGLC will end on October 30. Please review the document and 
>>> provide your feed back on the mailing list. All feed back are useful 
>>> for our AD to move the work forward.
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>> [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20 
>>> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20>
>>>
>>> *From:* calsify <calsify-bounces@ietf.org> *On Behalf Of *Neil Jenkins
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 15, 2019 11:56 AM
>>> *To:* calsify@ietf.org
>>> *Subject:* [calsify] Request to start last call for JSCalendar
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> As you've probably seen, I've published another update 
>>> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20> to the 
>>> JSCalendar draft with the changes discussed at the interim IETF 
>>> meeting/CalConnect last week. A quick summary of the changes:
>>>
>>>   * Added Location#categories property
>>>   * Added Participant#scheduleAgent property
>>>   * Added Participant#language property
>>>   * Removed Participant#attendance property (this maps to roles instead)
>>>   * Made Participant#sendTo optional
>>>   * Made Alert#trigger mandatory
>>>
>>> *Daniel*, could you please restart the last call; I think two weeks 
>>> should be sufficient given how extensively this draft has already 
>>> been reviewed over the years!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Neil.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> calsify mailing list
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/23/19 15:24, Michael Douglass
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      <p>and in section 8.2.6 categories shows up twice in the table.
        Was that intended?<br>
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    and also "status"<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/23/19 13:33, Michael Douglass
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        <p>Section 8.3.2 appears to have the wrong text:</p>
        <pre style="background-color:#ffffff;color:#000000;font-family:'Menlo';font-size:9.0pt;">8.3.2.  Initial Contents for the JSCalendar Properties Registry

should be

8.3.2.  Initial Contents for the JSCalendar Types Registry
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/15/19 14:03, Daniel Migault
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          <div class="WordSection1">
            <p class="MsoNormal">Hi, <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">This email starts a WGLC for
              draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar [1]. <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">The WGLC will end on October 30. Please
              review the document and provide your feed back on the
              mailing list. All feed back are useful for our AD to move
              the work forward. <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Yours, <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Daniel<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">[1] <a
                href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20"
                moz-do-not-send="true">
                https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20</a><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
            <div>
              <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
                1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
                <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> calsify <a
                    class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                    href="mailto:calsify-bounces@ietf.org"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;calsify-bounces@ietf.org&gt;</a>
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Neil Jenkins<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 15, 2019 11:56 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                    href="mailto:calsify@ietf.org"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">calsify@ietf.org</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> [calsify] Request to start last call
                  for JSCalendar<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
            </div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">As you've probably seen, I've
                published <a
                  href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-20"
                  moz-do-not-send="true"> another update</a> to the
                JSCalendar draft with the changes discussed at the
                interim IETF meeting/CalConnect last week. A quick
                summary of the changes:<o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <ul type="disc">
              <li class="MsoNormal"
                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
                level1 lfo2"> Added Location#categories property<o:p></o:p></li>
              <li class="MsoNormal"
                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
                level1 lfo2"> Added Participant#scheduleAgent property<o:p></o:p></li>
              <li class="MsoNormal"
                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
                level1 lfo2"> Added Participant#language property<o:p></o:p></li>
              <li class="MsoNormal"
                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
                level1 lfo2"> Removed Participant#attendance property
                (this maps to roles instead)<o:p></o:p></li>
              <li class="MsoNormal"
                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
                level1 lfo2"> Made Participant#sendTo optional<o:p></o:p></li>
              <li class="MsoNormal"
                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
                level1 lfo2"> Made Alert#trigger mandatory<o:p></o:p></li>
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            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Daniel</b>, could you please
                restart the last call; I think two weeks should be
                sufficient given how extensively this draft has already
                been reviewed over the years!<o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Neil.<o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
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          <br>
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          <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">_______________________________________________
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> 8.3.2. Initial Contents for the JSCalendar Properties Registry 
> should be 
> 8.3.2. Initial Contents for the JSCalendar Types Registry

Thanks, fixed.

>> and in section 8.2.6 categories shows up twice in the table. Was that intended?

> and also "status"
> 

Yes, this is intentional. The property context is different between them and they have different definitions.

Cheers,
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p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><blockquote type="cite"><div>8.3.2. Initial Contents for the JSCalendar Properties Registry <br></div><div>should be <br></div><div>8.3.2. Initial Contents for the JSCalendar Types Registry<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thanks, fixed.</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt"><blockquote cite="mid:3d216646-0235-0af4-b9ad-1401eea482c4@gmail.com" type="cite"><p>and in section 8.2.6 categories shows up twice in the table.
        Was that intended?<br></p></blockquote><div>and also "status"<br></div><div> <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, this is intentional. The property context is different between them and they have different definitions.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Neil.</div></body></html>
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In section 6.8 should the localization example have @type

On 10/23/19 23:38, Neil Jenkins wrote:
>> 8.3.2. Initial Contents for the JSCalendar Properties Registry
>> should be
>> 8.3.2. Initial Contents for the JSCalendar Types Registry
>
> Thanks, fixed.
>
>>> and in section 8.2.6 categories shows up twice in the table. Was 
>>> that intended?
>>>
>> and also "status"
>>
>
> Yes, this is intentional. The property context is different between 
> them and they have different definitions.

I'd prefer one of them had been called scheduleStatus. Can't validate 
the value without the context

Also I feel categories for locations would have been better as locationType

>
> Cheers,
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        <div>8.3.2. Initial Contents for the JSCalendar Properties
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        <div>should be <br>
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      <div>Thanks, fixed.</div>
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          <p>and in section 8.2.6 categories shows up twice in the
            table. Was that intended?<br>
          </p>
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        <div>and also "status"<br>
        </div>
        <div> <br>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Yes, this is intentional. The property context is different
        between them and they have different definitions.<br>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <p>I'd prefer one of them had been called scheduleStatus. Can't
      validate the value without the context</p>
    <p>Also I feel categories for locations would have been better as
      locationType<br>
    </p>
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      <div>Cheers,</div>
      <div>Neil.</div>
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I'm implementing this so I may have more...

Section 6.3 - simple group -

Is that example correct? The definition of entries say's

A collection of group members.  This is represented as a map of the
"uid" property value to the JSCalendar object member having that uid.

but the example just looks like an array. Is it supposed to be

{
   "@type": "jsgroup",
   "uid": "2a358cee-6489-4f14-a57f-c104db4dc343",
   "updated": "2018-01-15T18:00:00Z",
   "name": "A simple group",
   "entries": {
     "2a358cee-6489-4f14-a57f-c104db4dc2f1": {
       "@type": "jsevent",
       "uid": "2a358cee-6489-4f14-a57f-c104db4dc2f1",
       "updated": "2018-01-15T18:00:00Z",
       "title": "Some event",
       "start": "2018-01-15T13:00:00",
       "timeZone": "America/New_York",
       "duration": "PT1H"
     },
     "2a358cee-6489-4f14-a57f-c104db4dc2f2": {
       "@type": "jstask",
       "uid": "2a358cee-6489-4f14-a57f-c104db4dc2f2",
       "updated": "2018-01-15T18:00:00Z",
       "title": "Do something"
     }
   }
}


On 10/23/19 23:38, Neil Jenkins wrote:
>> 8.3.2. Initial Contents for the JSCalendar Properties Registry
>> should be
>> 8.3.2. Initial Contents for the JSCalendar Types Registry
>
> Thanks, fixed.
>
>>> and in section 8.2.6 categories shows up twice in the table. Was 
>>> that intended?
>>>
>> and also "status"
>>
>
> Yes, this is intentional. The property context is different between 
> them and they have different definitions.
>
> Cheers,
> Neil.

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    <p>I'm implementing this so I may have more...</p>
    <p>Section 6.3 - simple group - <br>
    </p>
    <p>Is that example correct? The definition of entries say's <br>
    </p>
    <pre style="background-color:#ffffff;color:#000000;font-family:'Menlo';font-size:9.0pt;">A collection of group members.  This is represented as a map of the
"uid" property value to the JSCalendar object member having that uid.
</pre>
    <p>but the example just looks like an array. Is it supposed to be <br>
    </p>
    <pre style="background-color:#ffffff;color:#000000;font-family:'Menlo';font-size:9.0pt;">{
  "@type": "jsgroup",
  "uid": "2a358cee-6489-4f14-a57f-c104db4dc343",
  "updated": "2018-01-15T18:00:00Z",
  "name": "A simple group",
  "entries": {
    "2a358cee-6489-4f14-a57f-c104db4dc2f1": {
      "@type": "jsevent",
      "uid": "2a358cee-6489-4f14-a57f-c104db4dc2f1",
      "updated": "2018-01-15T18:00:00Z",
      "title": "Some event",
      "start": "2018-01-15T13:00:00",
      "timeZone": "America/New_York",
      "duration": "PT1H"
    },
    "2a358cee-6489-4f14-a57f-c104db4dc2f2": {
      "@type": "jstask",
      "uid": "2a358cee-6489-4f14-a57f-c104db4dc2f2",
      "updated": "2018-01-15T18:00:00Z",
      "title": "Do something"
    }
  }
}
</pre>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/23/19 23:38, Neil Jenkins wrote:<br>
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        <div>8.3.2. Initial Contents for the JSCalendar Properties
          Registry <br>
        </div>
        <div>should be <br>
        </div>
        <div>8.3.2. Initial Contents for the JSCalendar Types Registry<br>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Thanks, fixed.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <blockquote type="cite" id="qt">
        <blockquote
          cite="mid:3d216646-0235-0af4-b9ad-1401eea482c4@gmail.com"
          type="cite">
          <p>and in section 8.2.6 categories shows up twice in the
            table. Was that intended?<br>
          </p>
        </blockquote>
        <div>and also "status"<br>
        </div>
        <div> <br>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Yes, this is intentional. The property context is different
        between them and they have different definitions.<br>
      </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Cheers,</div>
      <div>Neil.</div>
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On Fri, 25 Oct 2019, at 07:47, Michael Douglass wrote:
> In section 6.8 should the localization example have @type=20


No, it's a map of type `String[PatchObject]`, not its own type.

>> Yes, this is intentional. The property context is different between t=
hem and they have different definitions.
> I'd prefer one of them had been called scheduleStatus. Can't validate =
the value without the context


I think you're always going to need the context to validate properly. Th=
e status property in RFC5545 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5545#sectio=
n-3.2.12> is basically the same. It's not really the scheduleStatus, it'=
s the event/task status.

> Also I feel categories for locations would have been better as locatio=
nType

Sure, I'll change that.

> Section 6.3 - simple group -
> Is that example correct?

No!

>  Is it supposed to be =E2=80=A6 [elided] =E2=80=A6

Yes! I'll fix that.

Cheers,
Neil.
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r></div><div>I think you're always going to need the context to validate=
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2.12">status property in RFC5545</a>&nbsp;is basically the same. It's no=
t really the scheduleStatus, it's the event/task status.<br></div><div><=
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change that.<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>Sect=
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On 10/25/19 02:08, Neil Jenkins wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Oct 2019, at 07:47, Michael Douglass wrote:
>>
>> In section 6.8 should the localization example have @type
>>
>
> No, it's a map of type |String[PatchObject]|, not its own type.
>
What I meant was that the objects in the list should have a type:

      "localizations": {
        "de": {
          "@type": "PatchObject"                    <------------------- this
          "title": "Live von der Music Bowl: The Band!",
          "description": "Schau dir das groesste Musikereignis an!",
          "virtualLocations/6f3696c6-1e07-47d0-9ce1-f50014b0041a/name":
                                  "Gratis Live-Stream aus der Music Bowl"
        }
      }

I think patch objects are the only objects that don't have a type. I 
think for simplicity and ease of validation all objects should be 
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/25/19 02:08, Neil Jenkins wrote:<br>
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      <div>On Fri, 25 Oct 2019, at 07:47, Michael Douglass wrote:<br>
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      <div>No, it's a map of type <code
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    <p>What I meant was that the objects in the list should have a type:</p>
    <pre class="newpage">     "localizations": {
       "de": {
         "@type": "PatchObject"                    &lt;------------------- this
         "title": "Live von der Music Bowl: The Band!",
         "description": "Schau dir das groesste Musikereignis an!",
         "virtualLocations/6f3696c6-1e07-47d0-9ce1-f50014b0041a/name":
                                 "Gratis Live-Stream aus der Music Bowl"
       }
     }
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    <p>I think patch objects are the only objects that don't have a
      type. I think for simplicity and ease of validation all objects
      should be required to have @type<br>
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On 10/25/19 02:08, Neil Jenkins wrote:
>>> Yes, this is intentional. The property context is different between 
>>> them and they have different definitions.
>>
>> I'd prefer one of them had been called scheduleStatus. Can't validate 
>> the value without the context
>>
>
> I think you're always going to need the context to validate properly. 
> The status property in RFC5545 
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5545#section-3.2.12> is basically the 
> same. It's not really the scheduleStatus, it's the event/task status.
>
So the status in 5.1.3 and 5.2.6 is essentially the status in rfc 5545

Then we have participationStatus in 4.4.5 which comes from 5545 partstat 
with

       *  "needs-action": No status yet set by the participant.
       *  "accepted": The invited participant will participate.
       *  "declined": The invited participant will not participate.
       *  "tentative": The invited participant may participate.

But we also have in 5.2.5 participantProgress with a status property:

       *  "completed": The participant completed this task.
       *  "in-process": The participant has started this task.
       *  "failed": The participant failed to complete this task.

Those values are essentially the partstat values from 5545 - so now we 
could have a participationStatus of declined and a 
participantProgress/status of completed which doesn't make any sense.

I like the idea of the participantProgress object but maybe it should be 
common to all and the participantStatus should be moved there. The task 
specific part should define the allowable set of values as 5545 does.




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          <div>Yes, this is intentional. The property context is
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        <p>I'd prefer one of them had been called scheduleStatus. Can't
          validate the value without the context<br>
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      <div>I think you're always going to need the context to validate
        properly. The <a
          href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5545#section-3.2.12"
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    <p>So the status in 5.1.3 and 5.2.6 is essentially the status in rfc
      5545</p>
    <p>Then we have participationStatus in 4.4.5 which comes from 5545
      partstat with <br>
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    <pre class="newpage">      *  "needs-action": No status yet set by the participant.
      *  "accepted": The invited participant will participate.
      *  "declined": The invited participant will not participate.
      *  "tentative": The invited participant may participate.
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    <p>But we also have in 5.2.5 participantProgress with a status
      property:</p>
    <pre class="newpage">      *  "completed": The participant completed this task.
      *  "in-process": The participant has started this task.
      *  "failed": The participant failed to complete this task.
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    <p>Those values are essentially the partstat values from 5545 - so
      now we could have a participationStatus of declined and a
      participantProgress/status of completed which doesn't make any
      sense.</p>
    <p>I like the idea of the participantProgress object but maybe it
      should be common to all and the participantStatus should be moved
      there. The task specific part should define the allowable set of
      values as 5545 does. <br>
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On 10/25/19 22:38, Michael Douglass wrote:
> Table in section 8.2.6 appears to be missing an entry for links
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On 10/26/19 00:25, Michael Douglass wrote:
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> On 10/25/19 22:38, Michael Douglass wrote:
>> Table in section 8.2.6 appears to be missing an entry for links
>>
> and locale
and frequency


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Calendaring Extensions WG of the IETF.

        Title           : JSCalendar: A JSON representation of calendar data
        Authors         : Neil Jenkins
                          Robert Stepanek
	Filename        : draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-21.txt
	Pages           : 78
	Date            : 2019-10-27

Abstract:
   This specification defines a data model and JSON representation of
   calendar data that can be used for storage and data exchange in a
   calendaring and scheduling environment.  It aims to be an
   alternative, and over time successor to, the widely deployed
   iCalendar data format and to be unambiguous, extendable and simple to
   process.  In contrast to the JSON-based jCal format, it is not a
   direct mapping from iCalendar and expands semantics where
   appropriate.


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On Sat, 26 Oct 2019, at 03:01, Michael Douglass wrote:
> What I meant was that the objects in the list should have a type:
>      "localizations": {
       "de": {
         "@type": "PatchObject"                    <------------------- =
this
        =C2=A0"title": "Live von der Music Bowl: The Band!",
         "description": "Schau dir das groesste Musikereignis an!",
         "virtualLocations/6f3696c6-1e07-47d0-9ce1-f50014b0041a/name":
                                 "Gratis Live-Stream aus der Music Bowl"=

       }
     }
>=20
> I think patch objects are the only objects that don't have a type. I t=
hink for simplicity and ease of validation all objects should be require=
d to have @type


No. The `@type` property is for objects with a named set of attributes (=
essentially a class). The PatchObject is a primitive datatype, more like=
 Integer etc. There are no predefined keys; each key is a patch to apply=
. So if you add `@type` there, that's actually a path to overwrite the `=
@type` property on the object you apply it to!

On Sat, 26 Oct 2019, at 03:17, Michael Douglass wrote:
> So the status in 5.1.3 and 5.2.6 is essentially the status in rfc 5545=

> Then we have participationStatus in 4.4.5 which comes from 5545 partst=
at with

>       *  "needs-action": No status yet set by the participant.
      *  "accepted": The invited participant will participate.
      *  "declined": The invited participant will not participate.
      *  "tentative": The invited participant may participate.
>=20
> But we also have in 5.2.5 participantProgress with a status property:

>       *  "completed": The participant completed this task.
      *  "in-process": The participant has started this task.
      *  "failed": The participant failed to complete this task.
>=20
> Those values are essentially the partstat values from 5545 - so now we=
 could have a participationStatus of declined and a participantProgress/=
status of completed which doesn't make any sense.

> I like the idea of the participantProgress object but maybe it should =
be common to all and the participantStatus should be moved there. The ta=
sk specific part should define the allowable set of values as 5545 does.=



I agree this is confusing. Looking at it, I think the best thing is to r=
ename the "status" property on the JSTask to "progress", and use the sam=
e property on a Participant (no need for a whole complex object like we =
currently have). This makes it consistent again: the same property name =
means the same semantics, different property name means different allowe=
d values and semantics. If that description is a bit hard to follow, see=
 the diff here <https://github.com/CalConnect/PUBLIC_DRAFTS/commit/3546a=
6a8d9ded46185b1bb96a5a693353d16d360>, or look at the diff in the new rev=
ision.

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019, at 07:51, Michael Douglass wrote:
> >> Table in section 8.2.6 appears to be missing an entry for links
> > and locale
> and frequency

Thanks, fixed. I've also added "uri" from VirtualLocations and all of th=
e other RecurrenceRule props. I think I've checked them all now!

Since there have been quite a few fixes, I've published a new draft <htt=
ps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-21> with all the c=
hanges. Thanks for all the great feedback Mike!

Neil.
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<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type=3D"text/css">#qt #=
qt-qt #qt-qt-qt a:link{color:blue;text-decoration-line:underline;text-de=
coration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;}
#qt #qt-qt #qt-qt-qt a:visited{color:purple;text-decoration-line:underli=
ne;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;}

p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}
p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}
p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div>On Sat, 26=
 Oct 2019, at 03:01, Michael Douglass wrote:<br></div><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><div>What I meant was that the objects in the list should have a =
type:<br></div><pre class=3D"qt-newpage">     "localizations": {
       "de": {
         "@type": "PatchObject"                    &lt;-----------------=
-- this
        &nbsp;"title": "Live von der Music Bowl: The Band!",
         "description": "Schau dir das groesste Musikereignis an!",
         "virtualLocations/6f3696c6-1e07-47d0-9ce1-f50014b0041a/name":
                                 "Gratis Live-Stream aus der Music Bowl"=

       }
     }
<br></pre><p>I think patch objects are the only objects that don't have =
a
      type. I think for simplicity and ease of validation all objects
      should be required to have @type<br></p></blockquote><div><br></di=
v><div>No. The <code style=3D"border-top-left-radius:3px;border-top-righ=
t-radius:3px;border-bottom-right-radius:3px;border-bottom-left-radius:3p=
x;border-top-width:1px;border-right-width:1px;border-bottom-width:1px;bo=
rder-left-width:1px;border-top-style:solid;border-right-style:solid;bord=
er-bottom-style:solid;border-left-style:solid;border-top-color:rgb(204, =
204, 204);border-right-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-bottom-color:rgb(=
204, 204, 204);border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-image-source:=
initial;border-image-slice:initial;border-image-width:initial;border-ima=
ge-outset:initial;border-image-repeat:initial;padding-top:1px;padding-ri=
ght:3px;padding-bottom:1px;padding-left:3px;background-image:initial;bac=
kground-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size=
:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-=
attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;bac=
kground-color:rgb(246, 246, 246);font-family:menlo, consolas, monospace;=
font-size:90%;">@type</code> property is for objects with a named set of=
 attributes (essentially a class). The PatchObject is a primitive dataty=
pe, more like Integer etc. There are no predefined keys; each key is a p=
atch to apply. So if you add <code style=3D"border-top-left-radius:3px;b=
order-top-right-radius:3px;border-bottom-right-radius:3px;border-bottom-=
left-radius:3px;border-top-width:1px;border-right-width:1px;border-botto=
m-width:1px;border-left-width:1px;border-top-style:solid;border-right-st=
yle:solid;border-bottom-style:solid;border-left-style:solid;border-top-c=
olor:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-right-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-bot=
tom-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border=
-image-source:initial;border-image-slice:initial;border-image-width:init=
ial;border-image-outset:initial;border-image-repeat:initial;padding-top:=
1px;padding-right:3px;padding-bottom:1px;padding-left:3px;background-ima=
ge:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;b=
ackground-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-repeat:initi=
al;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-cl=
ip:initial;background-color:rgb(246, 246, 246);font-family:menlo, consol=
as, monospace;font-size:90%;">@type</code> there, that's actually a path=
 to overwrite the <code style=3D"border-top-left-radius:3px;border-top-r=
ight-radius:3px;border-bottom-right-radius:3px;border-bottom-left-radius=
:3px;border-top-width:1px;border-right-width:1px;border-bottom-width:1px=
;border-left-width:1px;border-top-style:solid;border-right-style:solid;b=
order-bottom-style:solid;border-left-style:solid;border-top-color:rgb(20=
4, 204, 204);border-right-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-bottom-color:r=
gb(204, 204, 204);border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-image-sour=
ce:initial;border-image-slice:initial;border-image-width:initial;border-=
image-outset:initial;border-image-repeat:initial;padding-top:1px;padding=
-right:3px;padding-bottom:1px;padding-left:3px;background-image:initial;=
background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-s=
ize:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-repeat:initial;backgrou=
nd-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;=
background-color:rgb(246, 246, 246);font-family:menlo, consolas, monospa=
ce;font-size:90%;">@type</code> property on the object you apply it to!<=
br></div><div><br></div><div><div>On Sat, 26 Oct 2019, at 03:17, Michael=
 Douglass wrote:<br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>So the status i=
n 5.1.3 and 5.2.6 is essentially the status in rfc
      5545<br></div><p>Then we have participationStatus in 4.4.5 which c=
omes from 5545
      partstat with<br></p><pre class=3D"qt-newpage">      *  "needs-act=
ion": No status yet set by the participant.
      *  "accepted": The invited participant will participate.
      *  "declined": The invited participant will not participate.
      *  "tentative": The invited participant may participate.
<br></pre><p>But we also have in 5.2.5 participantProgress with a status=

      property:<br></p><pre class=3D"qt-newpage">      *  "completed": T=
he participant completed this task.
      *  "in-process": The participant has started this task.
      *  "failed": The participant failed to complete this task.
<br></pre><p>Those values are essentially the partstat values from 5545 =
- so
      now we could have a participationStatus of declined and a
      participantProgress/status of completed which doesn't make any
      sense.<br></p><p>I like the idea of the participantProgress object=
 but maybe it
      should be common to all and the participantStatus should be moved
      there. The task specific part should define the allowable set of
      values as 5545 does.<br></p></blockquote><div><div><br></div><div>=
I agree this is confusing. Looking at it, I think the best thing is to r=
ename the "status" property on the JSTask to "progress", and use the sam=
e property on a Participant (no need for a whole complex object like we =
currently have). This makes it consistent again: the same property name =
means the same semantics, different property name means different allowe=
d values and semantics. If that description is a bit hard to follow, <a =
href=3D"https://github.com/CalConnect/PUBLIC_DRAFTS/commit/3546a6a8d9ded=
46185b1bb96a5a693353d16d360">see the diff here</a>, or look at the diff =
in the new revision.<br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div><div>On Su=
n, 27 Oct 2019, at 07:51, Michael Douglass wrote:<br></div><blockquote i=
d=3D"qt" type=3D"cite"><div>&gt;&gt; Table in section 8.2.6 appears to b=
e missing an entry for links<br></div><div>&gt; and locale<br></div><div=
>and frequency<br></div></blockquote><div><div><br></div><div>Thanks, fi=
xed. I've also added "uri" from VirtualLocations and all of the other Re=
currenceRule props. I think I've checked them all now!<br></div><div><br=
></div><div>Since there have been quite a few fixes, I've <a href=3D"htt=
ps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-21">published a ne=
w draft</a> with all the changes. Thanks for all the great feedback Mike=
!</div></div></div><div><br></div><div>Neil.</div></body></html>
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Thanks for the changes below - I'll adjust my code and may be back with 
more on them.

I do have another concern:

5545 decided to deprecate multiple recurrence rules on the grounds 
clients (by which is meant UIs) don't support it.

This spec doesn't even make provision for it.

I've long felt that standards and data models shouldn't be driven solely 
by the needs or preferences of UI designers.

However, I also believe that multiple recurrence rules provide either a 
simpler way or the only way to express some of the situations i come 
across i public events. For example, I found a user had created 7 
identical recurring events to cover tours of a campus which occur at 
different times and with different patterns through the week. It's 
relatively easy to figure out how to accommodate that in the UI (a 
button to add another recurrence section).

It was however a lot of work to update all those events and keep them 
the same.

I've been considering supporting multiple rules to support this use case 
as I suspect it's not that uncommon.

Even when it's possible to create some complex rule it might well be 
easier to create a number of simple rules.

There's also the possibility of using standard calendar data to control 
processes.

I suspect current libraries already support multiple rules and I'd like 
to see that enabled in this spec.

I understand that if they turn up in a client they may not be able to 
render them but we're already in that position with a sufficiently 
complex single rule (often not all that complex)


On 10/27/19 20:28, Neil Jenkins wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Oct 2019, at 03:01, Michael Douglass wrote:
>> What I meant was that the objects in the list should have a type:
>>       "localizations": {
>>         "de": {
>>           "@type": "PatchObject"                    <------------------- this
>>           "title": "Live von der Music Bowl: The Band!",
>>           "description": "Schau dir das groesste Musikereignis an!",
>>           "virtualLocations/6f3696c6-1e07-47d0-9ce1-f50014b0041a/name":
>>                                   "Gratis Live-Stream aus der Music Bowl"
>>         }
>>       }
>>
>> I think patch objects are the only objects that don't have a type. I 
>> think for simplicity and ease of validation all objects should be 
>> required to have @type
>>
>
> No. The |@type| property is for objects with a named set of attributes 
> (essentially a class). The PatchObject is a primitive datatype, more 
> like Integer etc. There are no predefined keys; each key is a patch to 
> apply. So if you add |@type| there, that's actually a path to 
> overwrite the |@type| property on the object you apply it to!
>
> On Sat, 26 Oct 2019, at 03:17, Michael Douglass wrote:
>> So the status in 5.1.3 and 5.2.6 is essentially the status in rfc 5545
>>
>> Then we have participationStatus in 4.4.5 which comes from 5545 
>> partstat with
>>
>>        *  "needs-action": No status yet set by the participant.
>>        *  "accepted": The invited participant will participate.
>>        *  "declined": The invited participant will not participate.
>>        *  "tentative": The invited participant may participate.
>>
>> But we also have in 5.2.5 participantProgress with a status property:
>>
>>        *  "completed": The participant completed this task.
>>        *  "in-process": The participant has started this task.
>>        *  "failed": The participant failed to complete this task.
>>
>> Those values are essentially the partstat values from 5545 - so now 
>> we could have a participationStatus of declined and a 
>> participantProgress/status of completed which doesn't make any sense.
>>
>> I like the idea of the participantProgress object but maybe it should 
>> be common to all and the participantStatus should be moved there. The 
>> task specific part should define the allowable set of values as 5545 
>> does.
>>
>
> I agree this is confusing. Looking at it, I think the best thing is to 
> rename the "status" property on the JSTask to "progress", and use the 
> same property on a Participant (no need for a whole complex object 
> like we currently have). This makes it consistent again: the same 
> property name means the same semantics, different property name means 
> different allowed values and semantics. If that description is a bit 
> hard to follow, see the diff here 
> <https://github.com/CalConnect/PUBLIC_DRAFTS/commit/3546a6a8d9ded46185b1bb96a5a693353d16d360>, 
> or look at the diff in the new revision.
>
> On Sun, 27 Oct 2019, at 07:51, Michael Douglass wrote:
>> >> Table in section 8.2.6 appears to be missing an entry for links
>> > and locale
>> and frequency
>
> Thanks, fixed. I've also added "uri" from VirtualLocations and all of 
> the other RecurrenceRule props. I think I've checked them all now!
>
> Since there have been quite a few fixes, I've published a new draft 
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-21> with all 
> the changes. Thanks for all the great feedback Mike!
>
> Neil.

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    <p>Thanks for the changes below - I'll adjust my code and may be
      back with more on them.</p>
    <p>I do have another concern:</p>
    <p>5545 decided to deprecate multiple recurrence rules on the
      grounds clients (by which is meant UIs) don't support it.</p>
    <p>This spec doesn't even make provision for it.</p>
    <p>I've long felt that standards and data models shouldn't be driven
      solely by the needs or preferences of UI designers. <br>
    </p>
    <p>However, I also believe that multiple recurrence rules provide
      either a simpler way or the only way to express some of the
      situations i come across i public events. For example, I found a
      user had created 7 identical recurring events to cover tours of a
      campus which occur at different times and with different patterns
      through the week. It's relatively easy to figure out how to
      accommodate that in the UI (a button to add another recurrence
      section).</p>
    <p>It was however a lot of work to update all those events and keep
      them the same. <br>
    </p>
    <p>I've been considering supporting multiple rules to support this
      use case as I suspect it's not that uncommon. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Even when it's possible to create some complex rule it might well
      be easier to create a number of simple rules.</p>
    <p>There's also the possibility of using standard calendar data to
      control processes. <br>
    </p>
    <p>I suspect current libraries already support multiple rules and
      I'd like to see that enabled in this spec.</p>
    <p>I understand that if they turn up in a client they may not be
      able to render them but we're already in that position with a
      sufficiently complex single rule (often not all that complex)<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/27/19 20:28, Neil Jenkins wrote:<br>
    </div>
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      <div>On Sat, 26 Oct 2019, at 03:01, Michael Douglass wrote:<br>
      </div>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <div>What I meant was that the objects in the list should have a
          type:<br>
        </div>
        <pre class="qt-newpage">     "localizations": {
       "de": {
         "@type": "PatchObject"                    &lt;------------------- this
         "title": "Live von der Music Bowl: The Band!",
         "description": "Schau dir das groesste Musikereignis an!",
         "virtualLocations/6f3696c6-1e07-47d0-9ce1-f50014b0041a/name":
                                 "Gratis Live-Stream aus der Music Bowl"
       }
     }

</pre>
        <p>I think patch objects are the only objects that don't have a
          type. I think for simplicity and ease of validation all
          objects should be required to have @type<br>
        </p>
      </blockquote>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>No. The <code
style="border-top-left-radius:3px;border-top-right-radius:3px;border-bottom-right-radius:3px;border-bottom-left-radius:3px;border-top-width:1px;border-right-width:1px;border-bottom-width:1px;border-left-width:1px;border-top-style:solid;border-right-style:solid;border-bottom-style:solid;border-left-style:solid;border-top-color:rgb(204,
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204);border-image-source:initial;border-image-slice:initial;border-image-width:initial;border-image-outset:initial;border-image-repeat:initial;padding-top:1px;padding-right:3px;padding-bottom:1px;padding-left:3px;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:rgb(246,
          246, 246);font-family:menlo, consolas,
          monospace;font-size:90%;">@type</code> property is for objects
        with a named set of attributes (essentially a class). The
        PatchObject is a primitive datatype, more like Integer etc.
        There are no predefined keys; each key is a patch to apply. So
        if you add <code
style="border-top-left-radius:3px;border-top-right-radius:3px;border-bottom-right-radius:3px;border-bottom-left-radius:3px;border-top-width:1px;border-right-width:1px;border-bottom-width:1px;border-left-width:1px;border-top-style:solid;border-right-style:solid;border-bottom-style:solid;border-left-style:solid;border-top-color:rgb(204,
          204, 204);border-right-color:rgb(204, 204,
          204);border-bottom-color:rgb(204, 204,
          204);border-left-color:rgb(204, 204,
204);border-image-source:initial;border-image-slice:initial;border-image-width:initial;border-image-outset:initial;border-image-repeat:initial;padding-top:1px;padding-right:3px;padding-bottom:1px;padding-left:3px;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:rgb(246,
          246, 246);font-family:menlo, consolas,
          monospace;font-size:90%;">@type</code> there, that's actually
        a path to overwrite the <code
style="border-top-left-radius:3px;border-top-right-radius:3px;border-bottom-right-radius:3px;border-bottom-left-radius:3px;border-top-width:1px;border-right-width:1px;border-bottom-width:1px;border-left-width:1px;border-top-style:solid;border-right-style:solid;border-bottom-style:solid;border-left-style:solid;border-top-color:rgb(204,
          204, 204);border-right-color:rgb(204, 204,
          204);border-bottom-color:rgb(204, 204,
          204);border-left-color:rgb(204, 204,
204);border-image-source:initial;border-image-slice:initial;border-image-width:initial;border-image-outset:initial;border-image-repeat:initial;padding-top:1px;padding-right:3px;padding-bottom:1px;padding-left:3px;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:rgb(246,
          246, 246);font-family:menlo, consolas,
          monospace;font-size:90%;">@type</code> property on the object
        you apply it to!<br>
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      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>
        <div>On Sat, 26 Oct 2019, at 03:17, Michael Douglass wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote type="cite">
          <div>So the status in 5.1.3 and 5.2.6 is essentially the
            status in rfc 5545<br>
          </div>
          <p>Then we have participationStatus in 4.4.5 which comes from
            5545 partstat with<br>
          </p>
          <pre class="qt-newpage">      *  "needs-action": No status yet set by the participant.
      *  "accepted": The invited participant will participate.
      *  "declined": The invited participant will not participate.
      *  "tentative": The invited participant may participate.

</pre>
          <p>But we also have in 5.2.5 participantProgress with a status
            property:<br>
          </p>
          <pre class="qt-newpage">      *  "completed": The participant completed this task.
      *  "in-process": The participant has started this task.
      *  "failed": The participant failed to complete this task.

</pre>
          <p>Those values are essentially the partstat values from 5545
            - so now we could have a participationStatus of declined and
            a participantProgress/status of completed which doesn't make
            any sense.<br>
          </p>
          <p>I like the idea of the participantProgress object but maybe
            it should be common to all and the participantStatus should
            be moved there. The task specific part should define the
            allowable set of values as 5545 does.<br>
          </p>
        </blockquote>
        <div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>I agree this is confusing. Looking at it, I think the
            best thing is to rename the "status" property on the JSTask
            to "progress", and use the same property on a Participant
            (no need for a whole complex object like we currently have).
            This makes it consistent again: the same property name means
            the same semantics, different property name means different
            allowed values and semantics. If that description is a bit
            hard to follow, <a
href="https://github.com/CalConnect/PUBLIC_DRAFTS/commit/3546a6a8d9ded46185b1bb96a5a693353d16d360"
              moz-do-not-send="true">see the diff here</a>, or look at
            the diff in the new revision.<br>
          </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
      <div>
        <div>On Sun, 27 Oct 2019, at 07:51, Michael Douglass wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote id="qt" type="cite">
          <div>&gt;&gt; Table in section 8.2.6 appears to be missing an
            entry for links<br>
          </div>
          <div>&gt; and locale<br>
          </div>
          <div>and frequency<br>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
        <div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Thanks, fixed. I've also added "uri" from
            VirtualLocations and all of the other RecurrenceRule props.
            I think I've checked them all now!<br>
          </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Since there have been quite a few fixes, I've <a
              href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-jscalendar-21"
              moz-do-not-send="true">published a new draft</a> with all
            the changes. Thanks for all the great feedback Mike!</div>
        </div>
      </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Neil.</div>
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On 10/27/19 20:28, Neil Jenkins wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Oct 2019, at 03:01, Michael Douglass wrote:
>> What I meant was that the objects in the list should have a type:
>>       "localizations": {
>>         "de": {
>>           "@type": "PatchObject"                    <------------------- this
>>           "title": "Live von der Music Bowl: The Band!",
>>           "description": "Schau dir das groesste Musikereignis an!",
>>           "virtualLocations/6f3696c6-1e07-47d0-9ce1-f50014b0041a/name":
>>                                   "Gratis Live-Stream aus der Music Bowl"
>>         }
>>       }
>>
>> I think patch objects are the only objects that don't have a type. I 
>> think for simplicity and ease of validation all objects should be 
>> required to have @type
>>
>
> No. The |@type| property is for objects with a named set of attributes 
> (essentially a class). The PatchObject is a primitive datatype, more 
> like Integer etc. There are no predefined keys; each key is a patch to 
> apply. So if you add |@type| there, that's actually a path to 
> overwrite the |@type| property on the object you apply it to!
>
I still don't agree.

There's no way this is a primitive type. It's an object whichever way 
you look at it. The fact there are no predefined keys is an attribute of 
the pathObject class. Without the @type I have to defer any validation 
until the whole structure is parsed - or - for this one case only - I 
have to pass down the expected type.

As for the @path - In section 4.3.3 (version 21) for recurrence 
overrrides we have

    A pointer in the PatchObject MUST be ignored if it starts with one of
    the following prefixes:

    o  @type
and a bunch more

I think we could make that ignoring @path a general rule for pathObjects 
- is there anywhere we want to allow changing the type?




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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/27/19 20:28, Neil Jenkins wrote:<br>
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      <div>On Sat, 26 Oct 2019, at 03:01, Michael Douglass wrote:<br>
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        <div>What I meant was that the objects in the list should have a
          type:<br>
        </div>
        <pre class="qt-newpage">     "localizations": {
       "de": {
         "@type": "PatchObject"                    &lt;------------------- this
         "title": "Live von der Music Bowl: The Band!",
         "description": "Schau dir das groesste Musikereignis an!",
         "virtualLocations/6f3696c6-1e07-47d0-9ce1-f50014b0041a/name":
                                 "Gratis Live-Stream aus der Music Bowl"
       }
     }

</pre>
        <p>I think patch objects are the only objects that don't have a
          type. I think for simplicity and ease of validation all
          objects should be required to have @type<br>
        </p>
      </blockquote>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>No. The <code
style="border-top-left-radius:3px;border-top-right-radius:3px;border-bottom-right-radius:3px;border-bottom-left-radius:3px;border-top-width:1px;border-right-width:1px;border-bottom-width:1px;border-left-width:1px;border-top-style:solid;border-right-style:solid;border-bottom-style:solid;border-left-style:solid;border-top-color:rgb(204,
          204, 204);border-right-color:rgb(204, 204,
          204);border-bottom-color:rgb(204, 204,
          204);border-left-color:rgb(204, 204,
204);border-image-source:initial;border-image-slice:initial;border-image-width:initial;border-image-outset:initial;border-image-repeat:initial;padding-top:1px;padding-right:3px;padding-bottom:1px;padding-left:3px;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:rgb(246,
          246, 246);font-family:menlo, consolas,
          monospace;font-size:90%;">@type</code> property is for objects
        with a named set of attributes (essentially a class). The
        PatchObject is a primitive datatype, more like Integer etc.
        There are no predefined keys; each key is a patch to apply. So
        if you add <code
style="border-top-left-radius:3px;border-top-right-radius:3px;border-bottom-right-radius:3px;border-bottom-left-radius:3px;border-top-width:1px;border-right-width:1px;border-bottom-width:1px;border-left-width:1px;border-top-style:solid;border-right-style:solid;border-bottom-style:solid;border-left-style:solid;border-top-color:rgb(204,
          204, 204);border-right-color:rgb(204, 204,
          204);border-bottom-color:rgb(204, 204,
          204);border-left-color:rgb(204, 204,
204);border-image-source:initial;border-image-slice:initial;border-image-width:initial;border-image-outset:initial;border-image-repeat:initial;padding-top:1px;padding-right:3px;padding-bottom:1px;padding-left:3px;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:rgb(246,
          246, 246);font-family:menlo, consolas,
          monospace;font-size:90%;">@type</code> there, that's actually
        a path to overwrite the <code
style="border-top-left-radius:3px;border-top-right-radius:3px;border-bottom-right-radius:3px;border-bottom-left-radius:3px;border-top-width:1px;border-right-width:1px;border-bottom-width:1px;border-left-width:1px;border-top-style:solid;border-right-style:solid;border-bottom-style:solid;border-left-style:solid;border-top-color:rgb(204,
          204, 204);border-right-color:rgb(204, 204,
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204);border-image-source:initial;border-image-slice:initial;border-image-width:initial;border-image-outset:initial;border-image-repeat:initial;padding-top:1px;padding-right:3px;padding-bottom:1px;padding-left:3px;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:rgb(246,
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          monospace;font-size:90%;">@type</code> property on the object
        you apply it to!<br>
      </div>
      <br>
    </blockquote>
    <p>I still don't agree.</p>
    <p>There's no way this is a primitive type. It's an object whichever
      way you look at it. The fact there are no predefined keys is an
      attribute of the pathObject class. Without the @type I have to
      defer any validation until the whole structure is parsed - or -
      for this one case only - I have to pass down the expected type.<br>
    </p>
    <p>As for the @path - In section 4.3.3 (version 21) for recurrence
      overrrides we have</p>
    <pre class="newpage">   A pointer in the PatchObject MUST be ignored if it starts with one of
   the following prefixes:

   o  @type
and a bunch more
</pre>
    <p>I think we could make that ignoring @path a general rule for
      pathObjects - is there anywhere we want to allow changing the
      type?</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
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On Mon, 28 Oct 2019, at 15:36, Michael Douglass wrote:
> As for the @path - In section 4.3.3 (version 21) for recurrence overrrides we have

>    A pointer in the PatchObject MUST be ignored if it starts with one of
   the following prefixes:

   o  @type
and a bunch more

That's just to do with the application of the patch in this instance, not an inherent attribute of the PatchObject. The PatchObject is used generically in JMAP RFC8620, Section 5.3 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8620#section-5.3>, and it makes no sense for it to have properties that are not patches; that would mean semantically "every key in this object is a patch except if it's this special value", which would be horrible to work with.

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   the following prefixes:

   o  @type
and a bunch more<br></pre></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's just to do with the application of the patch in this instance, not an inherent attribute of the PatchObject. The PatchObject is used generically in JMAP <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8620#section-5.3">RFC8620, Section 5.3</a>, and it makes no sense for it to have properties that are not patches; that would mean semantically "every key in this object is a patch except if it's this special value", which would be horrible to work with.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Neil.</div></body></html>
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On 10/28/19 00:55, Neil Jenkins wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Oct 2019, at 15:36, Michael Douglass wrote:
>>
>> As for the @path - In section 4.3.3 (version 21) for recurrence 
>> overrrides we have
>>
>>     A pointer in the PatchObject MUST be ignored if it starts with one of
>>     the following prefixes:
>>
>>     o  @type
>> and a bunch more
>
> That's just to do with the application of the patch in this instance, 
> not an inherent attribute of the PatchObject. The PatchObject is used 
> generically in JMAP RFC8620, Section 5.3 
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8620#section-5.3>, and it makes no 
> sense for it to have properties that are not patches; that would mean 
> semantically "every key in this object is a patch except if it's this 
> special value", which would be horrible to work with.

Well my experience in implementing it is the reverse. Having the @type 
simplifies things considerably.

However - in the absence of any other input (an invitation for anybody 
else to state an opinion on either side) I'll live with it.

>
> Neil.

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        <p>As for the @path - In section 4.3.3 (version 21) for
          recurrence overrrides we have<br>
        </p>
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   o  @type
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      </div>
      <div>That's just to do with the application of the patch in this
        instance, not an inherent attribute of the PatchObject. The
        PatchObject is used generically in JMAP <a
          href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8620#section-5.3"
          moz-do-not-send="true">RFC8620, Section 5.3</a>, and it makes
        no sense for it to have properties that are not patches; that
        would mean semantically "every key in this object is a patch
        except if it's this special value", which would be horrible to
        work with.<br>
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    </blockquote>
    <p>Well my experience in implementing it is the reverse. Having the
      @type simplifies things considerably.</p>
    <p>However - in the absence of any other input (an invitation for
      anybody else to state an opinion on either side) I'll live with
      it.<br>
    </p>
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      cite="mid:322a91d4-3246-49df-a1c4-628a59cf5304@dogfood.fastmail.com">
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Calendaring Extensions WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Support for Series in iCalendar
        Author          : Michael Douglass
	Filename        : draft-ietf-calext-icalendar-series-00.txt
	Pages           : 27
	Date            : 2019-10-30

Abstract:
   This specification updates [RFC5545] by defining a new repeating set
   of events known as a series.  This differs from recurrences in that
   each instance is a separate entity with a parent relationship to a
   specified template entity.


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As mentioned in the call for adoption :)

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, at 14:53, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
> 
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Calendaring Extensions WG of the IETF.
> 
>  Title : Support for Series in iCalendar
>  Author : Michael Douglass
> Filename : draft-ietf-calext-icalendar-series-00.txt
> Pages : 27
> Date : 2019-10-30
> 
> Abstract:
>  This specification updates [RFC5545] by defining a new repeating set
>  of events known as a series. This differs from recurrences in that
>  each instance is a separate entity with a parent relationship to a
>  specified template entity.
> 
> 
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-calext-icalendar-series/
> 
> There are also htmlized versions available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-calext-icalendar-series-00
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-calext-icalendar-series-00
> 
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