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Hi all,<= /span>

 

Below please find o= ur review on draft-kumar-casm-problem-and-use-cases-00 as I promised last w= eek.

 

In general, we beli= eve it’s a good work with problem and use cases to continue the discu= ssions about IP address management started last year. Thanks for the effort= s. However the scope and some use cases are not clear enough and may need more details.

 

Abstract

>   Th= e organisations use IP Address Space Management (IPAM) tools to<= /span>

>   ma= nage their IP address space, often with proprietary database and=

>   in= terfaces.  This document describes evolution of IPAM into a=

>   st= andardized interfaces for centralized management of IP addresses.

 

It seems the s= cope was limited to IPAM while I remember in our discussion IPAM is one par= t, we should also consider other address management device such as BRAS.

 

The reason for evol= ution need to be mentioned. I propose the below text: “However, curre= nt approaches for address management often result in sub-optimal allocation= efficiency and significant complexity for using, sharing and sharing such resources.”

 

“often with p= roprietary database and   interfaces “ do you mean “o= ften with database and *proprietary* interfaces? ”<= /p>

 

Section 1

Propose to add more= solid reasons sth like:

“The increase= in number, diversity and complexity of modern network devices and services= bring new challenges for the management of IP addresses.

 

   &= nbsp; o Low allocation efficiency due to pre-allocation

   &= nbsp; o Manual configuration of address policy, with risk for consistancy i= n applying policy

   &= nbsp;           o Complex= ity in making real-time changes to assignment

   &= nbsp; o Lack of an open, programmable interface between systems which =       

   &= nbsp;            &nb= sp; requires IP addresses and the Management Systems handling the

   &= nbsp;            &nb= sp; respective IP address resources

”<= /span>

 

Section 4

> 4.  Address Space Management Use cases  . . . . . . . . . . . . .   3

>  &nb= sp;  4.1.  DHCP server pool  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .= . . . .   3

>  &nb= sp;  4.2.  Static address configuration  . . . . . . . . . .= . . . .   3

>  &nb= sp;  4.3.  Public IP address pool  . . . . . . . . . . . . .= . . . .   4

>  &nb= sp;  4.4.  Multicast IP address pool . . . . . . . . . . . . . . = . .   4

>  &nb= sp;  4.5.  SDN controllers . . .

 

The category of the= five use cases seems to be confusing. e.g., Controller vs Static address c= onfiguration.

In  Section 4.= 2, there is no clear why we need CASM in static address scenario nor how to= use it.

In section 4.4, the= re is no clear text about the scenario.

 

 

> There is an ab= solute requirement that a network

>   &n= bsp;operator must find a way to assign address to these devices.

Need to elaborate t= he scope of “these devices”, as this is the key for CASM scope.=

 

>   So= me devices or functions do not rely on DHCP protocols to obtain an

>   IP= address.  

Not clear, please e= laborate the scope of devices and functions as aforementioned.

 

Section 5

> 5.  Legac= y address space management (IPAM) systems 

Should be sth like = “Legacy Address Mana= gement problem”?

 

>   o&= nbsp; MAC address and network segment (VLAN) does not given enough

>  &nb= sp;   information about user or usages

I failed to underst= and the meaning of this one. What’s the relationship between IP addre= ss usages with MAC/VLAN?

 

>Lack of integra= tion with name services such as DNS

In the use case abo= ve there is no related words about DNS. Need more details here.<= /span>

 

Regards,

Will (Shucheng LIU)

 

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cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 07 Feb 2017 19:26:48 -0800 (PST) To: casm@ietf.org References: <148574839840.918.971558680259361531.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 16:26:50 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <148574839840.918.971558680259361531.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Casm] I-D Action: draft-kumar-casm-problem-and-use-cases-00.txt X-BeenThere: casm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Centralized Address Space Management List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2017 03:26:53 -0000 Hi, > The address space management is an intergral part of any network > management solution. We can certainly agree on that. I also think that the separation into various domains in the draft is useful, with one or two comments: > DHCP server pool > Static address configuration Perhaps you should point out that static != manual. > Public IP address pool That seems too broad. At least, there are two aspects: 1) addresses assigned to network infrastructure elements (routers etc.) 2) addresses/prefixes assigned to edge devices (carriers) or to end-user interfaces (enterprise networks). Also, you should add the Private address pool (RFC1918/RFC6598 for IPv4, or ULA for IPv6). > Multicast IP address pool > SDN controllers That title is too specific; any virtual or software-managed address space should be covered, not just SDN. However, this may in reality be a subset of Public address pool or Private address pool. Now I have a rather fundamental question to finish: Why do you assume that the solution must be 'centralized'? Certainly, the policy intent for a network must be centralized, and the initial address pool must be configured from a central point. But why must the management be centralized? I do not think that is a requirement at all. A distributed solution would be just fine. Regards Brian Carpenter From nobody Tue Feb 7 19:40:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: casm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: casm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A1A1297CE for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2017 19:40:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xd7YvmsBmIPw for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2017 19:40:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pg0-x235.google.com (mail-pg0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c05::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 279661293F8 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2017 19:40:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pg0-x235.google.com with SMTP id 204so44619366pge.0 for ; Tue, 07 Feb 2017 19:40:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:organization:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FxNm1maM+GSIkt85Qv2SM4WPR1wO721M255qGK5SdoM=; b=Haz0ogUYJWzKcB3eeYhUDf2QI0tqg7SwZ6h1owKqe6CjjjHpmK0N6wCc9RDf2cIOyC h4+mUVlX73XimjE9gIATqWlDdHKFzai09zjR6qwmrwdxzWEa1bQyiY5cdg1MyWr3MJai 7ibMtLMD5fQaFkgnZ3matCAxUrg2pfHKQ8ovIoe9YqRgJgKGCbaRV77ZM0ZQZrv1NZs7 r+m+fWXRcP4ntmAiieqqchGTLmUQ2ozi8ppMXIYY8aLQZgjTNFljT75fw8pkq+x4KfhC cIExColQ05+2IKLTlKHRaWT8Mq0ClOSa3Z+2t6VGYFAOrpKlzXUdk3XSGKRJ8IZuuzP+ CfYQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:organization :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=FxNm1maM+GSIkt85Qv2SM4WPR1wO721M255qGK5SdoM=; b=JEMUWg7nKoybUyq9xvmOyfIIHtAhT7p1X1zHlaon8r7LcYC78TXZTOyZpjG3M3b/6b g2Za1nv+d67NsGR2hAQO9P6Br3CbxuiHm97Zu8jqGYZehdQTdfBjNXVxXhWu0StCDJub 9Z5GWv3PB8K1PBoEycVPYy1chMOhzeyO0hwolUj1jcvQqv+e+4keG7EKfhh+vVQAmLas JSt+S+IPeixrwXpJQ/J39ufJvvPjD/S0RTZruTMcYj9q16npscU62Q3k3tncTZNFuUTl BH/uAAViZvlBI0bYMYTLrPcWPx+uovVdHfBcXuZVvq5rVxwsoIRcExJh5SJleQ+5lSP2 FfAg== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXI37Y0pbgMPmbrIOiXva9OHuu4IMwnlPqBAYhldbI73xM5uyAzK1gn47fTX/dosOw== X-Received: by 10.99.48.68 with SMTP id w65mr24406344pgw.107.1486525230474; Tue, 07 Feb 2017 19:40:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.178.21] ([118.148.124.205]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g70sm14967698pfb.50.2017.02.07.19.40.28 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 07 Feb 2017 19:40:29 -0800 (PST) To: casm@ietf.org References: <148579530142.29779.15228003608361236038.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <45ac9aef-907b-5a9d-7d07-fc8c54c3806d@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 16:40:31 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <148579530142.29779.15228003608361236038.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Casm] I-D Action: draft-kumar-casm-requirements-and-framework-00.txt X-BeenThere: casm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Centralized Address Space Management List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2017 03:40:32 -0000 Hi, > This document describes evolution of IPAM into a > standardized interfaces for centralized management of IP addresses. > CASM: Centralized Address Space Management Please delete 'centralized'. It isn't necessary (as mentioned in my previous message) and it has the effect of limiting the range of solutions that can be considered. I will consider the document as if this word does not appear... And in fact I like the draft. I simply observe that this part of the model: +---+------------+-------+-------+---------------+------+ | Address Space Management (IPAM) System | | +-----------+ +----------+ +--------+ | | | Pool | |Address | |Database| | | | Management| |Management| | | | | +-----------+ +----------+ +--------+ | | | +-------------------------+-----------------------------+ *does not need to be centralized* except for two points: providing the initial pool to the distributed system, and providing policy intent to the distributed system. And there's a draft describing a distributed solution, for a subset of the problem space: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-anima-prefix-management-02 I understand that it's too soon for this list to discuss solutions, but I really do want the distributed approach to be on the table, since this is one of the early use cases for the Anima WG. 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<3A82852D-C614-44B9-B5B2-907D884FC7C9@juniper.net> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 18:00:47 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3A82852D-C614-44B9-B5B2-907D884FC7C9@juniper.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Casm] I-D Action: draft-kumar-casm-requirements-and-framework-00.txt X-BeenThere: casm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Centralized Address Space Management List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2017 05:00:49 -0000 On 08/02/2017 17:46, Rakesh Kumar wrote:> Hi Brian, > > Thanks a lot for review and comments. > I apologize for missing your previous message (not sure if I saw it) It was just a few minutes before: 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micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jC1r1LDnxc71e8TJ2VUu5RxeQQHl3hn7u" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Casm] I-D Action: draft-kumar-casm-requirements-and-framework-00.txt X-BeenThere: casm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Centralized Address Space Management List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2017 05:02:11 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --jC1r1LDnxc71e8TJ2VUu5RxeQQHl3hn7u Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="D3qsuvLTtKprGwqvQIUp6kFsBoolWDKus"; protected-headers="v1" From: joel jaeggli To: Brian E Carpenter , casm@ietf.org Message-ID: <74fb7dd8-a3c0-f4e6-7fb7-16017e86d6bc@bogus.com> Subject: Re: [Casm] I-D Action: draft-kumar-casm-requirements-and-framework-00.txt References: <148579530142.29779.15228003608361236038.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <45ac9aef-907b-5a9d-7d07-fc8c54c3806d@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <45ac9aef-907b-5a9d-7d07-fc8c54c3806d@gmail.com> --D3qsuvLTtKprGwqvQIUp6kFsBoolWDKus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2/7/17 7:40 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Hi, >=20 >> This document describes evolution of IPAM into a >> standardized interfaces for centralized management of IP addresses. >=20 >> CASM: Centralized Address Space Management >=20 > Please delete 'centralized'. It isn't necessary (as mentioned in my > previous message) and it has the effect of limiting the range of > solutions that can be considered. I will consider the document as > if this word does not appear... Coordinated if you like. > And in fact I like the draft. I simply observe that this part of the mo= del: >=20 > +---+------------+-------+-------+---------------+------+ > | Address Space Management (IPAM) System | > | +-----------+ +----------+ +--------+ | > | | Pool | |Address | |Database| | > | | Management| |Management| | | | > | +-----------+ +----------+ +--------+ | > | | > +-------------------------+-----------------------------+ >=20 > *does not need to be centralized* except for two points: providing > the initial pool to the distributed system, and providing policy > intent to the distributed system. >=20 > And there's a draft describing a distributed solution, for a subset > of the problem space: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-anima-prefix-management-02 > I understand that it's too soon for this list to discuss solutions, > but I really do want the distributed approach to be on the table, since= > this is one of the early use cases for the Anima WG. >=20 > Regards > Brian Carpenter >=20 > 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Thanks for posting = this ahead of time, Will. It's helpful to be able to read it and think = about it.

 

Picking up on a point = raised on the list and using Joel's = suggestion...

 

Do you want to change = "Centralized Address Management (CASM)" to "Coordinated = Address Management (CASM)"? That does not preclude centralized = solutions, but it also allows some degree of delegation as suggested by = Brian.

 

Thanks,

Adrian

 

From: CASM = [mailto:casm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Liushucheng = (Will)
Sent: 09 February 2017 03:56
To: = CASM@ietf.org
Subject: [Casm] CASM BoF request just posted to = BoF wiki

 

Hi = all,

 

I=E2=80=99m writing to notify you that = the CASM BoF request was just posted in the bof wiki. https://trac.tools.ietf.or= g/bof/trac/

Many thanks for the = efforts from Marc, Adrian, Rakesh and Chongfeng.

 

Please help to review it and let us = know your thoughts. I=E2=80=99m copying it = below.

 

--start--

Centralized Address Management = (CASM)

  • Description: Organizations use IP = Address Space Management (IPAM) tools to manage their IP address space, = often with proprietary database and interfaces. This work intends to = evolve IPAM into standardized interfaces for centralized management of = IP addresses, specially in the context of SDN/NFV networks. Use cases = include dynamic allocation and release of IP addresses and prefixes = based on usage (reallocation in case of no more in use) and/or user = intent (for specific services).
  • Agenda
    • Problem statement and use = cases
    • Requirements and = framework
    • Possible charter goals and = milestones
    • Next steps
  • Status: WG Forming
  • Responsible AD: OPS (Benoit Claise, = Joel Jaeggli)
  • BoF proponents: Chongfeng Xie(China = Telecom), Rakesh Kumar (Juniper), Ying Cheng(China Unicom), Will = Liu(Huawei)
  • BoF chairs: TBD
  • Number of people expected to attend: = 100
  • Length of session (1, 1.5, 2, or 2.5 = hours): 1.5 hours
  • Conflicts to avoid (whole Areas = and/or WGs): intarea, opsawg, anima, supa, dhc, nfvrg
  • Mailing List: =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bhttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/casm=
  • Draft charter: TBD
  • Relevant drafts:

--end--

 

Regards,=

Will = (LIU Shucheng)

 

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([2601:18f:801:600:ec4d:93bb:3e58:398]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r57sm9489773qtr.27.2017.02.09.08.12.02 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 09 Feb 2017 08:12:03 -0800 (PST) From: Ralph Droms Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7E19A86B-E900-44A8-9401-366B3C518CF2" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 11:12:01 -0500 In-Reply-To: <09b401d282ed$9bced850$d36c88f0$@olddog.co.uk> To: "" , "Liushucheng (Will)" References: <09b401d282ed$9bced850$d36c88f0$@olddog.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) Archived-At: Cc: CASM@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Casm] CASM BoF request just posted to BoF wiki X-BeenThere: casm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Centralized Address Space Management List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2017 16:12:08 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_7E19A86B-E900-44A8-9401-366B3C518CF2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Feb 9, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Adrian Farrel = wrote: >=20 > Thanks for posting this ahead of time, Will. It's helpful to be able = to read it and think about it. +1 > =20 > Picking up on a point raised on the list and using Joel's = suggestion... > =20 > Do you want to change "Centralized Address Management (CASM)" to = "Coordinated Address Management (CASM)"? That does not preclude = centralized solutions, but it also allows some degree of delegation as = suggested by Brian. Also +1 Prior work in this area from the dhc WG, esp. in DHCP failover = protocols, may be of interest. - Ralph > =20 > Thanks, > Adrian > =20 > From: CASM [mailto:casm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Liushucheng = (Will) > Sent: 09 February 2017 03:56 > To: CASM@ietf.org > Subject: [Casm] CASM BoF request just posted to BoF wiki > =20 > Hi all, > =20 > I=E2=80=99m writing to notify you that the CASM BoF request was just = posted in the bof wiki. https://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/ = > Many thanks for the efforts from Marc, Adrian, Rakesh and Chongfeng. > =20 > Please help to review it and let us know your thoughts. I=E2=80=99m = copying it below. > =20 > --start-- > Centralized Address Management (CASM) >=20 > Description: Organizations use IP Address Space Management (IPAM) = tools to manage their IP address space, often with proprietary database = and interfaces. This work intends to evolve IPAM into standardized = interfaces for centralized management of IP addresses, specially in the = context of SDN/NFV networks. Use cases include dynamic allocation and = release of IP addresses and prefixes based on usage (reallocation in = case of no more in use) and/or user intent (for specific services). > Agenda > Problem statement and use cases > Requirements and framework > Possible charter goals and milestones > Next steps > Status: WG Forming > Responsible AD: OPS (Benoit Claise, Joel Jaeggli) > BoF proponents: Chongfeng Xie(China Telecom), Rakesh Kumar (Juniper), = Ying Cheng(China Unicom), Will Liu(Huawei) > BoF chairs: TBD > Number of people expected to attend: 100 > Length of session (1, 1.5, 2, or 2.5 hours): 1.5 hours > Conflicts to avoid (whole Areas and/or WGs): intarea, opsawg, anima, = supa, dhc, nfvrg > Mailing List: =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bhttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ca= sm > Draft charter: TBD > Relevant drafts: > = =E2=80=8Bhttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kumar-casm-problem-and-use= -cases = > = =E2=80=8Bhttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xie-ps-centralized-address= -management = > = =E2=80=8Bhttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kumar-casm-requirements-an= d-framework = > = =E2=80=8Bhttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-man= agement-arch = > = =E2=80=8Bhttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-man= agement-yang = > --end-- > =20 > Regards, > Will (LIU Shucheng) > =20 > _______________________________________________ > CASM mailing list > CASM@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/casm --Apple-Mail=_7E19A86B-E900-44A8-9401-366B3C518CF2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Feb 9, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>= wrote:

Thanks for posting this ahead of time, = Will. It's helpful to be able to read it and think about = it.

+1

 
Picking = up on a point raised on the list and using Joel's suggestion...
 
Do you = want to change "Centralized Address Management (CASM)" to "Coordinated = Address Management (CASM)"? That does not preclude centralized = solutions, but it also allows some degree of delegation as suggested by = Brian.

Also= +1

Prior work in this area from the = dhc WG, esp. in DHCP failover protocols, may be of = interest.

- Ralph

 
Thanks,
Adrian
 
From: CASM [mailto:casm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of Liushucheng = (Will)
Sent: 09 February 2017 03:56
To: CASM@ietf.org
Subject: [Casm] CASM BoF request = just posted to BoF wiki
 
Hi = all,
 
I=E2=80=99m writing to notify you that the = CASM BoF request was just posted in the bof wiki. https://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/
Many thanks for the efforts from Marc, Adrian, = Rakesh and Chongfeng.
 
Please help to review it and = let us know your thoughts. I=E2=80=99m copying it below.
 
--start--

Centralized Address = Management (CASM)

  • Description: Organizations use IP Address = Space Management (IPAM) tools to manage their IP address space, often = with proprietary database and interfaces. This work intends to evolve = IPAM into standardized interfaces for centralized management of IP = addresses, specially in the context of SDN/NFV networks. Use cases = include dynamic allocation and release of IP addresses and prefixes = based on usage (reallocation in case of no more in use) and/or user = intent (for specific services).
  • Agenda
    • Problem statement = and use cases
    • Requirements and framework
    • Possible charter goals and milestones
    • Next = steps
  • Status: WG = Forming
  • Responsible AD: OPS (Benoit Claise, Joel = Jaeggli)
  • BoF proponents: Chongfeng Xie(China = Telecom), Rakesh Kumar (Juniper), Ying Cheng(China Unicom), Will = Liu(Huawei)
  • BoF chairs: TBD
  • Number of people = expected to attend: 100
  • Length of session (1, 1.5, 2, or 2.5 = hours): 1.5 hours
  • Conflicts to avoid (whole Areas and/or = WGs): intarea, opsawg, anima, supa, dhc, nfvrg
  • Mailing List: =E2=80=8B= =E2=80=8Bhttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/casm
  • Draft = charter: TBD
  • Relevant drafts:
--end--
 
Regards,
Will (LIU Shucheng)
 
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([2406:e007:7ac3:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w123sm23038250pfb.44.2017.02.09.11.57.51 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 09 Feb 2017 11:57:52 -0800 (PST) To: "Liushucheng (Will)" , "CASM@ietf.org" References: From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <5e6d9ac8-c7b2-372a-e66a-3f85cb6e17bb@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 08:57:57 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Casm] CASM BoF request just posted to BoF wiki X-BeenThere: casm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Centralized Address Space Management List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2017 19:57:58 -0000 Will, One other small wording comment: > standardized interfaces for centralized management of IP addresses, spe= cially in the context of SDN/NFV networks. I agree that SDN/NFV should be supported, in fact any software/virtual mechanisms should be supported, but why "specially"? So my rewrite would = be standardized interfaces for coordinated management of IP addresses, incl= uding SDN/NFV networks and other forms of virtualization. Regards Brian On 09/02/2017 16:56, Liushucheng (Will) wrote: > Hi all, >=20 > I=E2=80=99m writing to notify you that the CASM BoF request was just po= sted in the bof wiki. https://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/ > Many thanks for the efforts from Marc, Adrian, Rakesh and Chongfeng. >=20 > Please help to review it and let us know your thoughts. I=E2=80=99m cop= ying it below. >=20 > --start-- >=20 > Centralized Address Management (CASM) >=20 > * Description: Organizations use IP Address Space Management (IPAM)= tools to manage their IP address space, often with proprietary database = and interfaces. This work intends to evolve IPAM into standardized interf= aces for centralized management of IP addresses, specially in the context= of SDN/NFV networks. Use cases include dynamic allocation and release of= IP addresses and prefixes based on usage (reallocation in case of no mor= e in use) and/or user intent (for specific services). >=20 > * Agenda > * Problem statement and use cases > * Requirements and framework > * Possible charter goals and milestones > * Next steps > * Status: WG Forming > * Responsible AD: OPS (Benoit Claise, Joel Jaeggli) > * BoF proponents: Chongfeng Xie(China Telecom), Rakesh Kumar (Junip= er), Ying Cheng(China Unicom), Will Liu(Huawei) > * BoF chairs: TBD > * Number of people expected to attend: 100 > * Length of session (1, 1.5, 2, or 2.5 hours): 1.5 hours > * Conflicts to avoid (whole Areas and/or WGs): intarea, opsawg, ani= ma, supa, dhc, nfvrg > * Mailing List: =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bhttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/list= info/casm > * Draft charter: TBD > * Relevant drafts: > * =E2=80=8Bhttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kumar-casm-pro= blem-and-use-cases > * =E2=80=8Bhttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xie-ps-central= ized-address-management > * =E2=80=8Bhttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kumar-casm-req= uirements-and-framework > * =E2=80=8Bhttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sun-i2apm-addr= ess-pool-management-arch > * =E2=80=8Bhttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sun-i2apm-addr= ess-pool-management-yang > --end-- >=20 > Regards, > Will (LIU Shucheng) >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CASM mailing list > CASM@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/casm >=20 From nobody Thu Feb 9 12:13:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: casm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: casm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F83129C63 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2017 12:13:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fo4psXFi6CSf for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2017 12:13:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22DF129418 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2017 12:13:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [206.123.31.226] (h226.viagenie.ca [206.123.31.226]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2C1B2403F7; Thu, 9 Feb 2017 15:13:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Marc Blanchet" To: "Brian E Carpenter" Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2017 15:13:37 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5e6d9ac8-c7b2-372a-e66a-3f85cb6e17bb@gmail.com> References: <5e6d9ac8-c7b2-372a-e66a-3f85cb6e17bb@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.6r5344) Archived-At: Cc: Liushucheng , "CASM@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Casm] CASM BoF request just posted to BoF wiki X-BeenThere: casm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Centralized Address Space Management List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2017 20:13:44 -0000 On 9 Feb 2017, at 14:57, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Will, > > One other small wording comment: > >> standardized interfaces for centralized management of IP addresses, = >> specially in the context of SDN/NFV networks. > > I agree that SDN/NFV should be supported, in fact any software/virtual > mechanisms should be supported, but why "specially"? So my rewrite = > would be > > standardized interfaces for coordinated management of IP addresses, = > including SDN/NFV networks > and other forms of virtualization. agreed. my bad: french to english bad translation=E2=80=A6 changed on th= e = wiki. thanks. Marc. > > Regards > Brian > > On 09/02/2017 16:56, Liushucheng (Will) wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I=E2=80=99m writing to notify you that the CASM BoF request was just p= osted = >> in the bof wiki. https://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/ >> Many thanks for the efforts from Marc, Adrian, Rakesh and Chongfeng. >> >> Please help to review it and let us know your thoughts. I=E2=80=99m co= pying = >> it below. >> >> --start-- >> >> Centralized Address Management (CASM) >> >> * Description: Organizations use IP Address Space Management = >> (IPAM) tools to manage their IP address space, often with proprietary = >> database and interfaces. This work intends to evolve IPAM into = >> standardized interfaces for centralized management of IP addresses, = >> specially in the context of SDN/NFV networks. Use cases include = >> dynamic allocation and release of IP addresses and prefixes based on = >> usage (reallocation in case of no more in use) and/or user intent = >> (for specific services). >> >> * Agenda >> * Problem statement and use cases >> * Requirements and framework >> * Possible charter goals and milestones >> * Next steps >> * Status: WG Forming >> * Responsible AD: OPS (Benoit Claise, Joel Jaeggli) >> * BoF proponents: Chongfeng Xie(China Telecom), Rakesh Kumar = >> (Juniper), Ying Cheng(China Unicom), Will Liu(Huawei) >> * BoF chairs: TBD >> * Number of people expected to attend: 100 >> * Length of session (1, 1.5, 2, or 2.5 hours): 1.5 hours >> * Conflicts to avoid (whole Areas and/or WGs): intarea, opsawg, = >> anima, supa, dhc, nfvrg >> * Mailing List: = >> =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bhttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/casm >> * Draft charter: TBD >> * Relevant drafts: >> * = >> =E2=80=8Bhttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kumar-casm-problem-and= -use-cases >> * = >> 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14 Feb 2017 16:50:09 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2017020510350947064621@chinatelecom.cn> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------146327A30BA0CFD956785560" Archived-At: Cc: "ian.farrer" , "normen.kowalewski" , "CASM@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Casm] New Version Notification for draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework-00.txt X-BeenThere: casm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Centralized Address Space Management List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 15:50:19 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------146327A30BA0CFD956785560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Chongfeng, For my understanding... So the plan is to stop working on these three drafts in OPSAWG? draft-xi-ps-centralized-address-management expired draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-arch expired draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-yang expired Regards, Benoit > Yes, I agree to combine all ideas into one set of drafts to push > forward this work. > > BUT I didn't find any major difference between CASM and the old > drafts, major use cases of centralized address management has been > considered in the old PS draft > (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xie-ps-centralized-address-management/), > including the DNS and NAT. CT put forward the use case of address > management in metro network, Ian and norman of DT raised the case of > address management for OpenStack, OSS,etc. > > So, I think it is necessary to clarify the relationship of these > drafts. Thank you! > > Chongfeng > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > xiechf.bri@chinatelecom.cn > > *From:* Rakesh Kumar > *Date:* 2017-02-03 14:37 > *To:* Liushucheng (Will) ; Marc > Blanchet ; Xie Chongfeng > > *CC:* CASM@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Casm] New Version Notification for > draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework-00.txt > Hi Will, > The draft we wrote was based on the slide set we had presented > earlier, that details a comprehensive approach to address > management including with other address services such as DNS and > NAT. We have also introduced the concept of interfaces based on > user requirements. > I think, it would be good idea to combine all ideas into one set > of drafts. > I think, CASM would also be useful for mining data for security > related analytics. > Thanks > Rakesh > On 2/2/17, 10:26 PM, "CASM on behalf of Liushucheng (Will)" > wrote: > Hi Rakesh, > Many thanks for your efforts! > No worries. Let's review and update in next version. And maybe > another online meeting in next week. > Btw, there are also some old work on this area as we discussed: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xie-ps-centralized-address-management/ > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-arch/ > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-yang/ > Would you please let the audience know about the differences > between new ones and old ones? > Regards, > Will (LIU Shucheng) > -----Original Message----- > From: CASM [mailto:casm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Marc > Blanchet > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 9:02 PM > To: Rakesh Kumar > Cc: CASM@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Casm] New Version Notification for > draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework-00.txt > On 30 Jan 2017, at 1:43, Rakesh Kumar wrote: > > It looks like we messed up on the name. My mistake. > > > > It should have been > > “draft-kumar-casm-requirements-and-framework-00” instead of > > “draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework-00”. > > Is there a way to correct it? > yeah. no big deal. we shall fix it for the new rev. > Marc. > > > > Thanks > > Rakesh > > > > On 1/29/17, 8:03 PM, "CASM on behalf of Rakesh Kumar" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 1/29/17, 7:53 PM, "internet-drafts@ietf.org" > > wrote: > > > > > > A new version of I-D, > > draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework-00.txt > > has been successfully submitted by Marc Blanchet and > posted to > > the > > IETF repository. > > > > Name: draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework > > Revision: 00 > > Title: Centralized Address Space Management(CASM) > > Requirements and Framework > > Document date: 2017-01-29 > > Group: Individual Submission > > Pages: 8 > > URL: > > > https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework-00.txt > > Status: > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework/ > > Htmlized: > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework-00 > > > > > > Abstract: > > The organizations use IP Address Space Management > (IPAM) > > tools to > > manage their IP address space, often with > proprietary > > database and > > interfaces. This document describes evolution of > IPAM into > > a > > standardized interfaces for centralized > management of IP > > addresses. > > > > > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes > from the time > > of submission > > until the htmlized version and diff are available at > > tools.ietf.org. > > > > The IETF Secretariat > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > CASM mailing list > > CASM@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/casm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > CASM mailing list > > CASM@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/casm > _______________________________________________ > CASM mailing list > CASM@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/casm > _______________________________________________ > CASM mailing list > CASM@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/casm > --------------146327A30BA0CFD956785560 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Chongfeng,

For my understanding...
So the plan is to stop working on these three drafts in OPSAWG?
draft-xi-ps-centralized-address-management      expired
draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-arch  expired
draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-yang   expired
Regards, Benoit
Yes, I agree to  combine all ideas into one set of drafts to push forward this work. 

BUT  I didn't find any major difference between CASM and the old drafts, major use cases of centralized address management has been considered in the old PS draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xie-ps-centralized-address-management/), including the DNS and NAT. CT put forward the use case of address management in metro network,  Ian and norman of DT raised the case of address management for OpenStack, OSS,etc.

So, I think it is necessary to clarify the relationship of these drafts. Thank you!

Chongfeng   

 
Date: 2017-02-03 14:37
Subject: Re: [Casm] New Version Notification for draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework-00.txt
Hi Will,
 
The draft we wrote was based on the slide set we had presented earlier, that details a comprehensive approach to address management including with other address services such as DNS and NAT. We have also introduced the concept of interfaces based on user requirements.
 
I think, it would be good idea to combine all ideas into one set of drafts.
 
I think, CASM would also be useful for mining data for security related analytics.
 
Thanks
Rakesh
 
On 2/2/17, 10:26 PM, "CASM on behalf of Liushucheng (Will)" <casm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of liushucheng@huawei.com> wrote:
 
    Hi Rakesh,
   
    Many thanks for your efforts!
   
    No worries. Let's review and update in next version. And maybe another online meeting in next week.
   
    Btw, there are also some old work on this area as we discussed:
   
    Would you please let the audience know about the differences between new ones and old ones?
   
    Regards,
    Will (LIU Shucheng)
   
   
    -----Original Message-----
    From: CASM [mailto:casm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Marc Blanchet
    Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 9:02 PM
    To: Rakesh Kumar <rkkumar@juniper.net>
    Cc: CASM@ietf.org
    Subject: Re: [Casm] New Version Notification for draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework-00.txt
   
    On 30 Jan 2017, at 1:43, Rakesh Kumar wrote:
   
    > It looks like we messed up on the name. My mistake.
    >
    > It should have been
    > “draft-kumar-casm-requirements-and-framework-00” instead of
    > “draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework-00”.
    > Is there a way to correct it?
   
    yeah. no big deal. we shall fix it for the new rev.
   
    Marc.
   
    >
    > Thanks
    > Rakesh
    >
    > On 1/29/17, 8:03 PM, "CASM on behalf of Rakesh Kumar"
    >
    >
    >
    >     On 1/29/17, 7:53 PM, "internet-drafts@ietf.org"
    >
    >
    >         A new version of I-D,
    > draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework-00.txt
    >         has been successfully submitted by Marc Blanchet and posted to
    > the
    >         IETF repository.
    >
    >         Name: draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework
    >         Revision: 00
    >         Title: Centralized Address Space Management(CASM)
    > Requirements and Framework
    >         Document date: 2017-01-29
    >         Group: Individual Submission
    >         Pages: 8
    >         URL:           
    >         Status:        
    >         Htmlized:      
    >
    >
    >         Abstract:
    >            The organizations use IP Address Space Management (IPAM)
    > tools to
    >            manage their IP address space, often with proprietary
    > database and
    >            interfaces.  This document describes evolution of IPAM into
    > a
    >            standardized interfaces for centralized management of IP
    > addresses.
    >
    >
    >
    >
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    > of submission
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--------------146327A30BA0CFD956785560-- From nobody Tue Feb 14 09:30:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: casm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: casm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DEE51296D2 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2017 09:30:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.522 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HwKhrsipiV6d for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2017 09:29:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-2.cisco.com (aer-iport-2.cisco.com [173.38.203.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3669612941A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2017 09:29:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=7212; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1487093390; x=1488302990; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:mime-version; bh=Ng/Gg8JghIa/naiA/BsYBZjq6RWxzibWG30oRAN1YNM=; b=MGfLYDBtwOcCRbfDjzEF5bvJSE7Ef9GfmFwbl1t1HUXSAc0Ngjmc6Y9x ynXGeHCwiCRjpDFIRCyGt0uraSe74ECFYHA2h3zEJam1lO3obyHrE1j/Y Wf6y2gtV4ilYo9sFbxa/f9sxcy+7SHUTe2/1SmcTYbMIGa+p1D+REIC1D c=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0BTCAC/PaNY/xbLJq1eHAEBBAEBCgEBh?= =?us-ascii?q?DMDJ1+DWYp6oSiDHYQbKoIdAYMQgwwUAQIBAQEBAQEBYh0LhRMxgQICXw0IAQG?= =?us-ascii?q?JZw6fKZABgiUrizQBAQEBBgEBAQEfBYZMggWHIQEBBYMcgl8FiQySZoFPkEWKP?= =?us-ascii?q?4ZGixCIBTYhVSsgFAgVFYcBPzUBh3KCLQEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.35,162,1484006400"; d="scan'208,217";a="649639762" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-3.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 14 Feb 2017 17:29:46 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.87] (ams-bclaise-8916.cisco.com [10.60.67.87]) by aer-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v1EHTjUW014523 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2017 17:29:46 GMT To: "CASM@ietf.org" From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: <82fe1b7a-995b-9fdf-ec28-424ca1cef884@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 18:29:44 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C6DF6F4587AAA47B1AB750EE" Archived-At: Subject: [Casm] Which interfaces does CASM plan on standardizing? X-BeenThere: casm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Centralized Address Space Management List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 17:30:01 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C6DF6F4587AAA47B1AB750EE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, Joel, Warren, and I have been discussing CASM. Reading the two drafts, and we're wondering... draft-kumar-casm-problem-and-use-cases-00: This document describes evolution of IPAM into a standardized_interfaces _for centralized management of IP addresses. draft-kumar-casm-requirements-and-framework-00: There is a pressing need to define a new address management system which can meet these diverse set of requirements. Such a system must be built with well defined_interfaces _so users can easily migrate from one vendor to another without rewriting their network management systems. We see static address, public IP address pool, multicast IP address pool, pool initializing or resizing, etc. We see DHCP server, DNS server, NAT service. And I guess there are controllers up there somewhere. So which interfaces does CASM plan on standardizing? +----------------+ +------+ +----+ +-----+ +-----------------------+ |Interface for | |SDN/ | |OSS/| |ADMIN| |Interface for logs, | |managing address| |Legacy| |BSS | | | |DHCP, DNS, NAT, Address| |space and pools | | | | | | | |allocation records | +--------+-------+ +--+---+ +-+--+ +--+--+ +----------+------------+ | | | | ^ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | v v v v | +---+------------+-------+-------+---------------+------+ | Address Space Management (IPAM) System | | +-----------+ +----------+ +--------+ | | | Pool | |Address | |Database| | | | Management| |Management| | | | | +-----------+ +----------+ +--------+ | | | +-------------------------+-----------------------------+ | +-----------v------------+ |Address Helper Plug|ins | +----+--+------+-----+---+ | | | |--------------------+ | +----+ | | | | ------------+ | v +----| | | +--------+ +-----+ +----------+ +--------+ | DNS | |NAT | | Address | | DHCP | | Servers| | | | Mapping | | Servers| | | | | | Systems | | | +--------+ +-----+ +----------+ +--------+ All of them in this figure? A subset of those interfaces? This group should be clear what it plans on working on. And which IPAM vendors are involved in CASM, for a definition of IPAM related to this figure? Note: similar comments as last time btw. See https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/opsawg/current/msg04613.html Regards, Benoit --------------C6DF6F4587AAA47B1AB750EE Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all,

Joel, Warren, and I have been discussing CASM.

Reading the two drafts, and we're wondering...
   draft-kumar-casm-problem-and-use-cases-00: This document describes evolution of IPAM into a
   standardized interfaces for centralized management of IP addresses.

   draft-kumar-casm-requirements-and-framework-00: There is a pressing need to define a new address management system
   which can meet these diverse set of requirements.  Such a system must
   be built with well defined interfaces so users can easily migrate
   from one vendor to another without rewriting their network management
   systems.
We see static address, public IP address pool, multicast IP address pool, pool initializing or resizing, etc.
We see DHCP server, DNS server, NAT service. And I guess there are controllers up there somewhere.
So which interfaces does CASM plan on standardizing?
        +----------------+ +------+ +----+ +-----+ +-----------------------+
        |Interface for   | |SDN/  | |OSS/| |ADMIN| |Interface for logs,    |
        |managing address| |Legacy| |BSS | |     | |DHCP, DNS, NAT, Address|
        |space and pools | |      | |    | |     | |allocation records     |
        +--------+-------+ +--+---+ +-+--+ +--+--+ +----------+------------+
                 |            |       |       |               ^
                 |            |       |       |               |
                 |            |       |       |               |
                 |            |       |       |               |
                 v            v       v       v               |
        +---+------------+-------+-------+---------------+------+
        |    Address Space Management (IPAM) System             |
        |      +-----------+ +----------+ +--------+            |
        |      | Pool      | |Address   | |Database|            |
        |      | Management| |Management| |        |            |
        |      +-----------+ +----------+ +--------+            |
        |                                                       |
        +-------------------------+-----------------------------+
                    |
        +-----------v------------+
        |Address Helper Plug|ins |
        +----+--+------+-----+---+
          |  |         |     |--------------------+
          |  +----+    |                          |
          |       |     ------------+             |
          v       +----|            |             |
        +--------+    +-----+  +----------+   +--------+
        | DNS    |    |NAT  |  |  Address |   | DHCP   |
        | Servers|    |     |  |  Mapping |   | Servers|
        |        |    |     |  |  Systems |   |        |
        +--------+    +-----+  +----------+   +--------+
All of them in this figure? A subset of those interfaces?
This group should be clear what it plans on working on.
And which IPAM vendors are involved in CASM, for a definition of IPAM related to this figure?

Note: similar comments as last time btw. See https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/opsawg/current/msg04613.html

Regards, Benoit
--------------C6DF6F4587AAA47B1AB750EE-- From nobody Tue Feb 14 09:37:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: casm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: casm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8821296D2 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2017 09:37:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.522 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1O-GAft1HOaR for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2017 09:37:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-4.cisco.com (aer-iport-4.cisco.com [173.38.203.54]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 840F61296CB for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2017 09:37:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2455; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1487093839; x=1488303439; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:mime-version; bh=cZVsxlrP5m/kAR44f2djaVTpExAwcsGW/yDZJfijWiw=; b=BH6M/vXYDVlae1GBjYyLVIkPWYFbSse1wfS4GjY5iKRrzTgtmakLrPrf q+9rqCdytXN6j5zDL3HlqWuvCfWvTEQfXWFNw8jQdFxZu6X0n4xiT/rf3 Mrfhan6eqSvLIqwY5KkCPn7XW6Ll6a0Yfr8+q4r++0j155fYC0utMkCWv I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0A9CQCaP6NY/xbLJq1eHAEBBAEBCgEBh?= =?us-ascii?q?DYnhDiKepB/kCmHOIhjFQECAQEBAQEBAWIdC4UTMUQBPQJfDQgBAReJUJ88kAG?= =?us-ascii?q?CJSuLNwELASWGTIIFCIo8gl8Fm3KBT5BFij+GRosQiAU1IoEAIBQIFRWHAT+KV?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.35,162,1484006400"; d="scan'208,217";a="652482280" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-4.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 14 Feb 2017 17:37:15 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.87] (ams-bclaise-8916.cisco.com [10.60.67.87]) by aer-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v1EHbERF031483 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2017 17:37:15 GMT To: "CASM@ietf.org" From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 18:37:13 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------DBD4A7D676077D4B79822ADB" Archived-At: Subject: [Casm] Possible charter goals and milestones X-BeenThere: casm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Centralized Address Space Management List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 17:37:21 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------DBD4A7D676077D4B79822ADB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, "Possible charter goals and milestones" is mentioned in the BoF Wiki, but I fail to see which deliverables you have in mind, next to the framework? Is/are your deliverable(s) based on draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-yang, so (a) YANG module(s) that would specify the interface and facilitate the automation? The BoF WIKI mentions "WG forming", but without a clear view on those deliverables, that's difficult. Tough question: If the solution is this YANG module, based on draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-arch, should we jump directly to the solution? In other words, what is the BoF added value? Note: I thought that those two drafts received some (mild) support in OPSAWG already in IETF 94. If one of your deliverables is about the DHCP protocol, then I hope we all agree that it should be done in the dhc WG. Regards, Benoit --------------DBD4A7D676077D4B79822ADB Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all,

"Possible charter goals and milestones" is mentioned in the BoF Wiki, but I fail to see which deliverables you have in mind, next to the framework?
Is/are your deliverable(s) based on draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-yang, so (a) YANG module(s) that would specify the interface and facilitate the automation?
The BoF WIKI mentions "WG forming", but without a clear view on those deliverables, that's difficult.

Tough question: If the solution is this YANG module, based on draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-arch, should we jump directly to the solution? In other words, what is the BoF added value? Note: I thought that those two drafts received some (mild) support in OPSAWG already in IETF 94.

If one of your deliverables is about the DHCP protocol, then I hope we all agree that it should be done in the dhc WG.

Regards, Benoit
--------------DBD4A7D676077D4B79822ADB-- From nobody Tue Feb 14 13:14:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: casm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: casm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC391298A6 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2017 13:14:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kumari-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M9QjrWDUptXh for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2017 13:14:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qk0-x22f.google.com (mail-qk0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1909129893 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2017 13:14:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qk0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id p22so43336249qka.0 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2017 13:14:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kumari-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=ktcsicjXCOKLjH+0FOwtqXr970L1zSBCVOzYI6mErbE=; b=KhFELtOY3j3WPk++PygcwF+w4aQpylPDnXIyQODeoLWsLTLQZE7e3xva3N7rF2R9Lr Vmqd10IMbHSA48K8cfaDKlSuoYqphrce7GhPdXPH/qXwXfegWbi7TvYIIh0+O2Si0qDK InqoqRkdKGolxB145N95WDXjFW+651OSJAsv/emc/zxBrUGHuFvKXKyLIEpFbulXKbLc pq3LG+uKcrHICWPWwfmobDI9YBok1w7bK3y7UVkxYx1uraOgQ+FDbTuuzoH83cRJBWv0 W7jtDoOhDicsD/9AVZF77p5YPPzWJ5EdG10U59Alhn8Zv2Y0/QoN4RQMG5pxO3mPZmC8 haFw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=ktcsicjXCOKLjH+0FOwtqXr970L1zSBCVOzYI6mErbE=; b=aO7hfsgS+a6hYamgN8J/mMu+/m06h6g8qHU1U5RujnAz0X+oWtW7MzkWy47vOIOteP VNLWj1Kic1h75p+bcKUPwMI4J6JqiBtNw2MUZqCG6fR+nl8opDm9k9KZPxtZ2TIFqMxe M1SeNlL6DhBV8xutONEtOyXKX68iwNrou+bh75JiawT+Pc1BM+ybNiXtPuSmhGfGsEem 81wpLdp5RX94VqISrf3Lc4MafjTh9JVTHd+UKzXN07EYaPJwPGMARM3TKHdmtzlEli3P de97+TEmTbbAKPor8KPOxduq6dbVZz086tgFoq986KtTTq87CQ2xQqSiBFoUbOYXjDEh kYRg== X-Gm-Message-State: AMke39mNdu9NWkWSlQGseikh8aslZ5MxD+kTNnOi3VPih9x+ctBgINputee0tiXY1Qumkw7oQKZwBjJvJpfZk2Oz X-Received: by 10.55.42.207 with SMTP id q76mr17143366qkq.35.1487106864752; Tue, 14 Feb 2017 13:14:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.179.19 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2017 13:13:54 -0800 (PST) From: Warren Kumari Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 16:13:54 -0500 Message-ID: To: casm@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Subject: [Casm] Where is the "border"? X-BeenThere: casm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Centralized Address Space Management List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 21:14:27 -0000 Hi all, Following on from Benoit's (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/casm/IuL5Kn9H6EWLvBFwzvrFsni18Mc), I had an additional question... The Requirements and Framework document discusses "users" and "multi-tenancy", but it wasn't hugely clear to me where the expected "border" of the system is -- is there an expectation that this would be shared / made available to "customers", or simply used within an organization / enterprise? For example, is an expected use case that a customer of an ISP could talk to the IPAM / CASM (through whatever interface) and request address space? Most of the document(s) describes things like NATs / firewalls / whatever requesting space for use *within* an organization, but not to external "customer" type scenarios. Note: I'm not really suggesting that this *should* provide an interface for customers type relationships, more trying to understand where the edge / border is... W -- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. 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Hi, Benoit, 

Thank you for your noti= fifying me. we are updating the 3 drafts and will submit them soon.
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Date: 2017-02-14 2= 3:50
To: Xie Chongfeng; Rakesh Kumar<= /a>; 'Liushucheng (Will)'; <= a href=3D"mailto:marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca">marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca<= /div>
Subj= ect: Re: [Casm] New Version Notification for draft-kumar-requirem= ents-and-framework-00.txt
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Chongfeng,
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=0A For my understanding...
=0A = So the plan is to stop working on these three drafts in OPSAWG?
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draft-xi-ps-centralized-address-management   = ;  =0A expired
=0A draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-arch&nbs= p;=0A expired
=0A draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-yang  =0A = expired
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=0A Regards, Benoit
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Yes, I agree to  combine all ideas into one=0A set of drafts to push f= orward this work. 
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BUT  I didn't fin= d any major=0A difference between CASM and the old drafts, major = use cases of=0A centralized address management has been considere= d in the old=0A PS draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xi= e-ps-centralized-address-management/), includi= ng the DNS and NAT. CT put=0A forward the use case of address man= agement in metro network,=0A  Ian and norman of DT raised th= e case of address management=0A for OpenStack, OSS,etc.=0A

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=0A So, I think it is necessary to clarify the=0A = relationship of these drafts. Thank you!
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Chong= feng   
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Date: 2017-02-03 14:37
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Subject: Re: [Casm] New Version Notifica= tion for=0A draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework-00.txt=0A
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Hi= Will,
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The draft we w= rote was based on the slide set we had=0A presented earlier, th= at details a comprehensive approach to=0A address management in= cluding with other address services=0A such as DNS and NAT. We = have also introduced the concept of=0A interfaces based on user= requirements.
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I thin= k, it would be good idea to combine all ideas into=0A one set o= f drafts.
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I think, CA= SM would also be useful for mining data for=0A security related= analytics.
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Thanks=0A
Rakesh
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On 2/2/17, 10:26 PM, "CASM on behalf of Liushucheng=0A (= Will)" <casm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf = of=0A liushucheng@huawei.com> wrote:
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    Hi Rakesh,
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   = Many thanks for your efforts!
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    No worries. Let's review and upd= ate in next version.=0A And maybe another online meeting in nex= t week.
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=0A     Btw, there are also some old work on this area as we= =0A discussed:
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X-BeenThere: casm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Centralized Address Space Management List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 08:03:50 -0000 --_000_BN6PR05MB2993F5AE262003182BE55D14AD5B0BN6PR05MB2993namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Thanks for the review. We want to standardize three interfaces as defined i= n the section 5 of draft https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kumar-requiremen= ts-and-framework-00. Pool/address management interface, Log interface and integration interfaces= with other naming services. Thanks Rakesh ________________________________ From: CASM on behalf of Benoit Claise Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 9:29 AM To: CASM@ietf.org Subject: [Casm] Which interfaces does CASM plan on standardizing? Dear all, Joel, Warren, and I have been discussing CASM. Reading the two drafts, and we're wondering... draft-kumar-casm-problem-and-use-cases-00: This document describes evolu= tion of IPAM into a standardized interfaces for centralized management of IP addresses. draft-kumar-casm-requirements-and-framework-00: There is a pressing need= to define a new address management system which can meet these diverse set of requirements. Such a system must be built with well defined interfaces so users can easily migrate from one vendor to another without rewriting their network management systems. We see static address, public IP address pool, multicast IP address pool, p= ool initializing or resizing, etc. We see DHCP server, DNS server, NAT service. And I guess there are controll= ers up there somewhere. So which interfaces does CASM plan on standardizing? +----------------+ +------+ +----+ +-----+ +-----------------------= + |Interface for | |SDN/ | |OSS/| |ADMIN| |Interface for logs, = | |managing address| |Legacy| |BSS | | | |DHCP, DNS, NAT, Address= | |space and pools | | | | | | | |allocation records = | +--------+-------+ +--+---+ +-+--+ +--+--+ +----------+------------= + | | | | ^ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | v v v v | +---+------------+-------+-------+---------------+------+ | Address Space Management (IPAM) System | | +-----------+ +----------+ +--------+ | | | Pool | |Address | |Database| | | | Management| |Management| | | | | +-----------+ +----------+ +--------+ | | | +-------------------------+-----------------------------+ | +-----------v------------+ |Address Helper Plug|ins | +----+--+------+-----+---+ | | | |--------------------+ | +----+ | | | | ------------+ | v +----| | | +--------+ +-----+ +----------+ +--------+ | DNS | |NAT | | Address | | DHCP | | Servers| | | | Mapping | | Servers| | | | | | Systems | | | +--------+ +-----+ +----------+ +--------+ All of them in this figure? A subset of those interfaces? This group should be clear what it plans on working on. And which IPAM vendors are involved in CASM, for a definition of IPAM relat= ed to this figure? Note: similar comments as last time btw. See https://www.ietf.org/mail-arch= ive/web/opsawg/current/msg04613.html Regards, Benoit --_000_BN6PR05MB2993F5AE262003182BE55D14AD5B0BN6PR05MB2993namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,


Thanks for the review. We want to standardize three interfaces as define= d in the section 5 of draft https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kumar-requi= rements-and-framework-00.


Pool/address management interface, Log interface and integration in= terfaces with other naming services.


Thanks

Rakesh

From: CASM <casm-bounces= @ietf.org> on behalf of Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 9:29 AM
To: CASM@ietf.org
Subject: [Casm] Which interfaces does CASM plan on standardizing?
 
Dear all,

Joel, Warren, and I have been discussing CASM.

Reading the two drafts, and we're wondering...
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We see static address, public IP address pool, multicast IP address pool, p= ool initializing or resizing, etc.
We see DHCP server, DNS server, NAT service. And I guess there are controll= ers up there somewhere.
So which interfaces does CASM plan on standardizing?
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All of them in this figure? A subset of those interfaces?
This group should be clear what it plans on working on.
And which IPAM vendors are involved in CASM, for a definition of IPAM relat= ed to this figure?

Note: similar comments as last time btw. See https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/opsawg/current/msg04613.html

Regards, Benoit
--_000_BN6PR05MB2993F5AE262003182BE55D14AD5B0BN6PR05MB2993namp_-- From nobody Wed Feb 15 05:15:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: casm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: casm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2DC127071 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 05:15:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.521 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.521 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OmwPoRFzJ2ts for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 05:15:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-2.cisco.com (aer-iport-2.cisco.com [173.38.203.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 443E41294A1 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 05:15:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=14795; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1487164541; x=1488374141; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version: in-reply-to; bh=ErBwF97CEPGfOm7Abirt/HISPh14UQNUIktCUEd35GE=; b=PzXEuQdqJUE2t2ttQUdjumzqjJ6w6V4Pf0dKDmYPt25KFAJNinjtVqcf TW2qCY9jqY2zq8Wm7zvf6XvVccBaq0ns4gZ5pEUw7cF/n0vNu1+RlyrCw CGwtiuNP8Yg8sbPB5uIucfaI8iD/8JGtUDw8W9UxXkjkdKEfbQuZLODGo 0=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0BrAwBDU6RY/xbLJq1eGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBgm+BRAMnX45TkH8fkAqDHYIPggwqgh0BgxBKAoJMFwECAQEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAWIohHABAQEEVDULDgMEAQEvTwgGAQwGAgEBiWcOsXkrizcBAQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBAQEBAQEYBYZNggUIgmKENwEBBYV7BYkNkmqGb4slij+GR4sRiAYhATU?= =?us-ascii?q?8GSsgFAgVFYcBPzUBh1mCLQEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.35,166,1484006400"; d="scan'208,217";a="649659874" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-2.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 15 Feb 2017 13:15:38 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.87] (ams-bclaise-8916.cisco.com [10.60.67.87]) by aer-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v1FDFcow012482; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 13:15:38 GMT To: Rakesh Kumar , "CASM@ietf.org" References: <82fe1b7a-995b-9fdf-ec28-424ca1cef884@cisco.com> From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 14:15:38 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------25412648D791C0809CE2AB4D" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Casm] Which interfaces does CASM plan on standardizing? X-BeenThere: casm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Centralized Address Space Management List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 13:15:44 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------25412648D791C0809CE2AB4D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Rakesh, > > Hi, > > > Thanks for the review. We want to standardize three interfaces as > defined in the section 5 of draft > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework-00. > > > Pool/address management interface, Log interface and > integration interfaces with other naming services. > Fine, but it's still vague to me. Can you point me those in your figure? +----------------+ +------+ +----+ +-----+ +-----------------------+ |Interface for | |SDN/ | |OSS/| |ADMIN| |Interface for logs, | |managing address| |Legacy| |BSS | | | |DHCP, DNS, NAT, Address| |space and pools | | | | | | | |allocation records | +--------+-------+ +--+---+ +-+--+ +--+--+ +----------+------------+ | | | | ^ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | v v v v | +---+------------+-------+-------+---------------+------+ | Address Space Management (IPAM) System | | +-----------+ +----------+ +--------+ | | | Pool | |Address | |Database| | | | Management| |Management| | | | | +-----------+ +----------+ +--------+ | | | +-------------------------+-----------------------------+ | +-----------v------------+ |Address Helper Plug|ins | +----+--+------+-----+---+ | | | |--------------------+ | +----+ | | | | ------------+ | v +----| | | +--------+ +-----+ +----------+ +--------+ | DNS | |NAT | | Address | | DHCP | | Servers| | | | Mapping | | Servers| | | | | | Systems | | | +--------+ +-----+ +----------+ +--------+ In my mind, an interface is a set of API between two end points. Regards, Benoit > > > Thanks > > Rakesh > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* CASM on behalf of Benoit Claise > > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2017 9:29 AM > *To:* CASM@ietf.org > *Subject:* [Casm] Which interfaces does CASM plan on standardizing? > Dear all, > > Joel, Warren, and I have been discussing CASM. > > Reading the two drafts, and we're wondering... > > draft-kumar-casm-problem-and-use-cases-00: This document describes evolution of IPAM into a > standardized_interfaces _for centralized management of IP addresses. > > draft-kumar-casm-requirements-and-framework-00: There is a pressing need to define a new address management system > which can meet these diverse set of requirements. Such a system must > be built with well defined_interfaces _so users can easily migrate > from one vendor to another without rewriting their network management > systems. > > We see static address, public IP address pool, multicast IP address > pool, pool initializing or resizing, etc. > We see DHCP server, DNS server, NAT service. And I guess there are > controllers up there somewhere. > So which interfaces does CASM plan on standardizing? > +----------------+ +------+ +----+ +-----+ +-----------------------+ > |Interface for | |SDN/ | |OSS/| |ADMIN| |Interface for logs, | > |managing address| |Legacy| |BSS | | | |DHCP, DNS, NAT, Address| > |space and pools | | | | | | | |allocation records | > +--------+-------+ +--+---+ +-+--+ +--+--+ +----------+------------+ > | | | | ^ > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > v v v v | > +---+------------+-------+-------+---------------+------+ > | Address Space Management (IPAM) System | > | +-----------+ +----------+ +--------+ | > | | Pool | |Address | |Database| | > | | Management| |Management| | | | > | +-----------+ +----------+ +--------+ | > | | > +-------------------------+-----------------------------+ > | > +-----------v------------+ > |Address Helper Plug|ins | > +----+--+------+-----+---+ > | | | |--------------------+ > | +----+ | | > | | ------------+ | > v +----| | | > +--------+ +-----+ +----------+ +--------+ > | DNS | |NAT | | Address | | DHCP | > | Servers| | | | Mapping | | Servers| > | | | | | Systems | | | > +--------+ +-----+ +----------+ +--------+ > > All of them in this figure? A subset of those interfaces? > This group should be clear what it plans on working on. > And which IPAM vendors are involved in CASM, for a definition of IPAM > related to this figure? > > Note: similar comments as last time btw. See > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/opsawg/current/msg04613.html > > Regards, Benoit --------------25412648D791C0809CE2AB4D Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Rakesh,

Hi,


Thanks for the review. We want to standardize three interfaces as defined in the section 5 of drafthttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework-00.


Pool/address management interface, Log interface and integrationinterfaces with other naming services.

Fine, but it's still vague to me. Can you point me those in your figure?
        +----------------+ +------+ +----+ +-----+ +-----------------------+
        |Interface for   | |SDN/  | |OSS/| |ADMIN| |Interface for logs,    |
        |managing address| |Legacy| |BSS | |     | |DHCP, DNS, NAT, Address|
        |space and pools | |      | |    | |     | |allocation records     |
        +--------+-------+ +--+---+ +-+--+ +--+--+ +----------+------------+
                 |            |       |       |               ^
                 |            |       |       |               |
                 |            |       |       |               |
                 |            |       |       |               |
                 v            v       v       v               |
        +---+------------+-------+-------+---------------+------+
        |    Address Space Management (IPAM) System             |
        |      +-----------+ +----------+ +--------+            |
        |      | Pool      | |Address   | |Database|            |
        |      | Management| |Management| |        |            |
        |      +-----------+ +----------+ +--------+            |
        |                                                       |
        +-------------------------+-----------------------------+
                    |
        +-----------v------------+
        |Address Helper Plug|ins |
        +----+--+------+-----+---+
          |  |         |     |--------------------+
          |  +----+    |                          |
          |       |     ------------+             |
          v       +----|            |             |
        +--------+    +-----+  +----------+   +--------+
        | DNS    |    |NAT  |  |  Address |   | DHCP   |
        | Servers|    |     |  |  Mapping |   | Servers|
        |        |    |     |  |  Systems |   |        |
        +--------+    +-----+  +----------+   +--------+
In my mind, an interface is a set of API between two end points.

Regards, Benoit


Thanks

Rakesh

From: CASM <casm-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 9:29 AM
To: CASM@ietf.org
Subject: [Casm] Which interfaces does CASM plan on standardizing?
Dear all,

Joel, Warren, and I have been discussing CASM.

Reading the two drafts, and we're wondering...
   draft-kumar-casm-problem-and-use-cases-00: This document describes evolution of IPAM into a
   standardized interfaces for centralized management of IP addresses.

   draft-kumar-casm-requirements-and-framework-00: There is a pressing need to define a new address management system
   which can meet these diverse set of requirements.  Such a system must
   be built with well defined interfaces so users can easily migrate
   from one vendor to another without rewriting their network management
   systems.
We see static address, public IP address pool, multicast IP address pool, pool initializing or resizing, etc.
We see DHCP server, DNS server, NAT service. And I guess there are controllers up there somewhere.
So which interfaces does CASM plan on standardizing?
        +----------------+ +------+ +----+ +-----+ +-----------------------+
        |Interface for   | |SDN/  | |OSS/| |ADMIN| |Interface for logs,    |
        |managing address| |Legacy| |BSS | |     | |DHCP, DNS, NAT, Address|
        |space and pools | |      | |    | |     | |allocation records     |
        +--------+-------+ +--+---+ +-+--+ +--+--+ +----------+------------+
                 |            |       |       |               ^
                 |            |       |       |               |
                 |            |       |       |               |
                 |            |       |       |               |
                 v            v       v       v               |
        +---+------------+-------+-------+---------------+------+
        |    Address Space Management (IPAM) System             |
        |      +-----------+ +----------+ +--------+            |
        |      | Pool      | |Address   | |Database|            |
        |      | Management| |Management| |        |            |
        |      +-----------+ +----------+ +--------+            |
        |                                                       |
        +-------------------------+-----------------------------+
                    |
        +-----------v------------+
        |Address Helper Plug|ins |
        +----+--+------+-----+---+
          |  |         |     |--------------------+
          |  +----+    |                          |
          |       |     ------------+             |
          v       +----|            |             |
        +--------+    +-----+  +----------+   +--------+
        | DNS    |    |NAT  |  |  Address |   | DHCP   |
        | Servers|    |     |  |  Mapping |   | Servers|
        |        |    |     |  |  Systems |   |        |
        +--------+    +-----+  +----------+   +--------+
All of them in this figure? A subset of those interfaces?
This group should be clear what it plans on working on.
And which IPAM vendors are involved in CASM, for a definition of IPAM related to this figure?

Note: similar comments as last time btw. See https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/opsawg/current/msg04613.html

Regards, Benoit

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After offline discussions among all the > proponents, we changed the BoF to non-WG forming in the wiki. > https://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/ > > We also added the purpose of the BoF in the description: > > The purpose of the BoF is to gather a common set of requirements from > a larger set of operators and, if needed, possible protocol work > milestones and scope. > Protocol work? Which protocol? Can you expand on what is needed? I thought the work was about interfaces. > > I’m copying the updated version below for your convenience. > I believe this is better. Regards, Benoit > > --start— > > *Coordinated Address Space Management (CASM)* > > * Description: Organizations use IP Address Space Management (IPAM) > tools to manage their IP address space, often with proprietary > database and interfaces. This work intends to evolve IPAM into > standardized interfaces for coordinated management of IP > addresses, including SDN/NFV networks and other forms of > virtualization. Use cases include dynamic allocation and release > of IP addresses and prefixes based on usage (reallocation in case > of no more in use) and/or user intent (for specific services). The > purpose of the BoF is to gather a common set of requirements from > a larger set of operators and, if needed, possible protocol work > milestones and scope. > > * Agenda > o Problem statement and use cases > o Requirements and framework > o Possible charter goals and milestones > o Next steps > * Status: non-WG Forming > * Responsible AD: OPS (Benoit Claise, Joel Jaeggli, Warren Kumari) > * BoF proponents: Chongfeng Xie(China Telecom), Rakesh Kumar > (Juniper), Ying Cheng(China Unicom), Will Liu(Huawei) > * BoF chairs: TBD > * Number of people expected to attend: 100 > * Length of session (1, 1.5, 2, or 2.5 hours): 1.5 hours > * Conflicts to avoid (whole Areas and/or WGs): intarea, opsawg, > anima, supa, dhc, nfvrg > * Mailing List: ​​https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/casm > * Draft charter: TBD > * Relevant drafts: > o ​https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kumar-casm-problem-and-use-cases > o ​https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xie-ps-centralized-address-management > o ​https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kumar-casm-requirements-and-framework > o ​https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-arch > o ​https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-yang > > --end-- > > Regards, > > Will (LIU Shucheng) > > *From:*CASM [mailto:casm-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Benoit Claise > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 1:37 AM > *To:* CASM@ietf.org > *Subject:* [Casm] Possible charter goals and milestones > > Dear all, > > "Possible charter goals and milestones" is mentioned in the BoF Wiki, > but I fail to see which deliverables you have in mind, next to the > framework? > Is/are your deliverable(s) based on > draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-yang, so (a) YANG module(s) > that would specify the interface and facilitate the automation? > The BoF WIKI mentions "WG forming", but without a clear view on those > deliverables, that's difficult. > > Tough question: If the solution is this YANG module, based on > draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-arch, should we jump directly > to the solution? In other words, what is the BoF added value? Note: I > thought that those two drafts received some (mild) support in OPSAWG > already in IETF 94. > > If one of your deliverables is about the DHCP protocol, then I hope we > all agree that it should be done in the dhc WG. > > Regards, Benoit > > > > _______________________________________________ > CASM mailing list > CASM@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/casm --------------E920F4D4682A5D67114FE280 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Liushucheng,

Hi Benoit and all,

 

Thanks for your guidance. After offline discussions among all the proponents, we changed the BoF to non-WG forming in the wiki.  https://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/

 

 

We also added the purpose of the BoF in the description:

The purpose of the BoF is to gather a common set of requirements from a larger set of operators and, if needed, possible protocol work milestones and scope.

Protocol work?  Which protocol?  Can you expand on what is needed?
I thought the work was about interfaces.

 

I’m copying the updated version below for your convenience.

I believe this is better.

Regards, Benoit

 

--start—

Coordinated Address Space Management (CASM)

  • Description: Organizations use IP Address Space Management (IPAM) tools to manage their IP address space, often with proprietary database and interfaces. This work intends to evolve IPAM into standardized interfaces for coordinated management of IP addresses, including SDN/NFV networks and other forms of virtualization. Use cases include dynamic allocation and release of IP addresses and prefixes based on usage (reallocation in case of no more in use) and/or user intent (for specific services). The purpose of the BoF is to gather a common set of requirements from a larger set of operators and, if needed, possible protocol work milestones and scope.

 

--end--

 

Regards,

Will (LIU Shucheng)

 

From: CASM [mailto:casm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Benoit Claise
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 1:37 AM
To: CASM@ietf.org
Subject: [Casm] Possible charter goals and milestones

 

Dear all,

"Possible charter goals and milestones" is mentioned in the BoF Wiki, but I fail to see which deliverables you have in mind, next to the framework?
Is/are your deliverable(s) based on draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-yang, so (a) YANG module(s) that would specify the interface and facilitate the automation?
The BoF WIKI mentions "WG forming", but without a clear view on those deliverables, that's difficult.

Tough question: If the solution is this YANG module, based on draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-arch, should we jump directly to the solution? In other words, what is the BoF added value? Note: I thought that those two drafts received some (mild) support in OPSAWG already in IETF 94.

If one of your deliverables is about the DHCP protocol, then I hope we all agree that it should be done in the dhc WG.

Regards, Benoit



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Does it mean that you consider those 3 drafts as potential outcomes for CASM? If yes, here is a question I asked to the mailing list: If the solution is this YANG module, based on draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-arch, should we jump directly to the solution? In other words, what is the BoF added value? Note: I thought that those two drafts received some (mild) support in OPSAWG already in IETF 94. Or maybe the 3 drafts are not complete. So what's missing? Trying to understand. Regards, Benoit > > > Best regards > Chongfeng > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > xiechf.bri@chinatelecom.cn > > *From:* Benoit Claise > *Date:* 2017-02-14 23:50 > *To:* Xie Chongfeng ; Rakesh > Kumar ; 'Liushucheng (Will)' > ; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca > > *CC:* ian.farrer ; normen.kowalewski > ; CASM@ietf.org > > *Subject:* Re: [Casm] New Version Notification for > draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework-00.txt > Chongfeng, > > For my understanding... > So the plan is to stop working on these three drafts in OPSAWG? > > draft-xi-ps-centralized-address-management > > expired > draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-arch > > expired > draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-yang > > expired > > Regards, Benoit >> Yes, I agree to combine all ideas into one set of drafts to push >> forward this work. >> >> BUT I didn't find any major difference between CASM and the old >> drafts, major use cases of centralized address management has >> been considered in the old PS draft >> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xie-ps-centralized-address-management/), >> including the DNS and NAT. CT put forward the use case of address >> management in metro network, Ian and norman of DT raised the >> case of address management for OpenStack, OSS,etc. >> >> So, I think it is necessary to clarify the relationship of these >> drafts. Thank you! >> >> Chongfeng >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> xiechf.bri@chinatelecom.cn >> >> *From:* Rakesh Kumar >> *Date:* 2017-02-03 14:37 >> *To:* Liushucheng (Will) ; >> Marc Blanchet ; Xie >> Chongfeng >> *CC:* CASM@ietf.org >> *Subject:* Re: [Casm] New Version Notification for >> draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework-00.txt >> Hi Will, >> The draft we wrote was based on the slide set we had >> presented earlier, that details a comprehensive approach to >> address management including with other address services such >> as DNS and NAT. We have also introduced the concept of >> interfaces based on user requirements. >> I think, it would be good idea to combine all ideas into one >> set of drafts. >> I think, CASM would also be useful for mining data for >> security related analytics. >> Thanks >> Rakesh >> On 2/2/17, 10:26 PM, "CASM on behalf of Liushucheng (Will)" >> >> wrote: >> Hi Rakesh, >> Many thanks for your efforts! >> No worries. Let's review and update in next version. And >> maybe another online meeting in next week. >> Btw, there are also some old work on this area as we >> discussed: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xie-ps-centralized-address-management/ >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-arch/ >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-yang/ >> Would you please let the audience know about the >> differences between new ones and old ones? >> Regards, >> Will (LIU Shucheng) >> -----Original Message----- >> From: CASM [mailto:casm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >> Marc Blanchet >> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 9:02 PM >> To: Rakesh Kumar >> Cc: CASM@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Casm] New Version Notification for >> draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework-00.txt >> On 30 Jan 2017, at 1:43, Rakesh Kumar wrote: >> > It looks like we messed up on the name. My mistake. >> > >> > It should have been >> > “draft-kumar-casm-requirements-and-framework-00” >> instead of >> > “draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework-00”. >> > Is there a way to correct it? >> yeah. no big deal. we shall fix it for the new rev. >> Marc. >> > >> > Thanks >> > Rakesh >> > >> > On 1/29/17, 8:03 PM, "CASM on behalf of Rakesh Kumar" >> > > rkkumar@juniper.net> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > On 1/29/17, 7:53 PM, "internet-drafts@ietf.org" >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> > A new version of I-D, >> > draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework-00.txt >> > has been successfully submitted by Marc >> Blanchet and posted to >> > the >> > IETF repository. >> > >> > Name: draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework >> > Revision: 00 >> > Title: Centralized Address Space Management(CASM) >> > Requirements and Framework >> > Document date: 2017-01-29 >> > Group: Individual Submission >> > Pages: 8 >> > URL: >> > >> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework-00.txt >> > Status: >> > >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework/ >> > Htmlized: >> > >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework-00 >> > >> > >> > Abstract: >> > The organizations use IP Address Space >> Management (IPAM) >> > tools to >> > manage their IP address space, often with >> proprietary >> > database and >> > interfaces. This document describes >> evolution of IPAM into >> > a >> > standardized interfaces for centralized >> management of IP >> > addresses. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Please note that it may take a couple of >> minutes from the time >> > of submission >> > until the htmlized version and diff are >> available at >> > tools.ietf.org. >> > >> > The IETF Secretariat >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > CASM mailing list >> > CASM@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/casm >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > CASM mailing list >> > CASM@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/casm >> _______________________________________________ >> CASM mailing list >> CASM@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/casm >> _______________________________________________ >> CASM mailing list >> CASM@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/casm >> > --------------07467E9D2B7D2EA9679F6753 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 2/15/2017 2:27 AM, Xie Chongfeng wrote:
Hi, Benoit, 

Thank you for your notififying me. we are updating the 3 drafts and will submit them soon.
Does it mean that you consider those 3 drafts as potential outcomes for CASM?
If yes, here is a question I asked to the mailing list:
If the solution is this YANG module, based on draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-arch, should we jump directly to the solution? In other words, what is the BoF added value? Note: I thought that those two drafts received some (mild) support in OPSAWG already in IETF 94.
Or maybe the 3 drafts are not complete. So what's missing?

Trying to understand.

Regards, Benoit


Best regards
Chongfeng 


 
Date: 2017-02-14 23:50
Subject: Re: [Casm] New Version Notification for draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework-00.txt
Chongfeng,

For my understanding...
So the plan is to stop working on these three drafts in OPSAWG?
draft-xi-ps-centralized-address-management      expired
draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-arch  expired
draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-yang   expired
Regards, Benoit
Yes, I agree to  combine all ideas into one set of drafts to push forward this work. 

BUT  I didn't find any major difference between CASM and the old drafts, major use cases of centralized address management has been considered in the old PS draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xie-ps-centralized-address-management/), including the DNS and NAT. CT put forward the use case of address management in metro network,  Ian and norman of DT raised the case of address management for OpenStack, OSS,etc.

So, I think it is necessary to clarify the relationship of these drafts. Thank you!

Chongfeng   

 
Date: 2017-02-03 14:37
Subject: Re: [Casm] New Version Notification for draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework-00.txt
Hi Will,
 
The draft we wrote was based on the slide set we had presented earlier, that details a comprehensive approach to address management including with other address services such as DNS and NAT. We have also introduced the concept of interfaces based on user requirements.
 
I think, it would be good idea to combine all ideas into one set of drafts.
 
I think, CASM would also be useful for mining data for security related analytics.
 
Thanks
Rakesh
 
On 2/2/17, 10:26 PM, "CASM on behalf of Liushucheng (Will)" <casm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of liushucheng@huawei.com> wrote:
 
    Hi Rakesh,
   
    Many thanks for your efforts!
   
    No worries. Let's review and update in next version. And maybe another online meeting in next week.
   
    Btw, there are also some old work on this area as we discussed:
   
    Would you please let the audience know about the differences between new ones and old ones?
   
    Regards,
    Will (LIU Shucheng)
   
   
    -----Original Message-----
    From: CASM [mailto:casm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Marc Blanchet
    Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 9:02 PM
    To: Rakesh Kumar <rkkumar@juniper.net>
    Cc: CASM@ietf.org
    Subject: Re: [Casm] New Version Notification for draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework-00.txt
   
    On 30 Jan 2017, at 1:43, Rakesh Kumar wrote:
   
    > It looks like we messed up on the name. My mistake.
    >
    > It should have been
    > “draft-kumar-casm-requirements-and-framework-00” instead of
    > “draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework-00”.
    > Is there a way to correct it?
   
    yeah. no big deal. we shall fix it for the new rev.
   
    Marc.
   
    >
    > Thanks
    > Rakesh
    >
    > On 1/29/17, 8:03 PM, "CASM on behalf of Rakesh Kumar"
    >
    >
    >
    >     On 1/29/17, 7:53 PM, "internet-drafts@ietf.org"
    >
    >
    >         A new version of I-D,
    > draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework-00.txt
    >         has been successfully submitted by Marc Blanchet and posted to
    > the
    >         IETF repository.
    >
    >         Name: draft-kumar-requirements-and-framework
    >         Revision: 00
    >         Title: Centralized Address Space Management(CASM)
    > Requirements and Framework
    >         Document date: 2017-01-29
    >         Group: Individual Submission
    >         Pages: 8
    >         URL:           
    >         Status:        
    >         Htmlized:      
    >
    >
    >         Abstract:
    >            The organizations use IP Address Space Management (IPAM)
    > tools to
    >            manage their IP address space, often with proprietary
    > database and
    >            interfaces.  This document describes evolution of IPAM into
    > a
    >            standardized interfaces for centralized management of IP
    > addresses.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >         Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time
    > of submission
    >         until the htmlized version and diff are available at
    > tools.ietf.org.
    >
    >         The IETF Secretariat
    >
    >
    >
    >     _______________________________________________
    >     CASM mailing list
    >     CASM@ietf.org
    >
    >
    > _______________________________________________
    > CASM mailing list
    > CASM@ietf.org
   
    _______________________________________________
    CASM mailing list
    _______________________________________________
    CASM mailing list
   
 


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Hi, Marc
Thank you for your notice. 
I sincerely hope that we can make new progress= in the coming days.

= Chongfeng Xie

>Dear all,

>I thought I would = ;let you know :-)

>Regards, Benoit=0A

=0A
xiechf.bri@chinatelecom.cn
=0A ------=_001_NextPart227508345577_=------ From nobody Mon Feb 20 15:52:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: casm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: casm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5BB8129441 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2017 15:52:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 46MYWqAWMeUJ for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2017 15:52:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EED312941A for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2017 15:52:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.118] (modemcable173.86-160-184.mc.videotron.ca [184.160.86.173]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6C8F5476CF; Mon, 20 Feb 2017 18:52:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Marc Blanchet" To: "Xie Chongfeng" Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 18:52:18 -0500 Message-ID: <95CED5F6-DEE9-46F2-A956-E13E544B92E4@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: <201702210749114031753@chinatelecom.cn> References: <201702210749114031753@chinatelecom.cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.6r5347) Archived-At: Cc: bclaise , "CASM@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Casm] The casm BoF has been approved X-BeenThere: casm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Centralized Address Space Management List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 23:52:33 -0000 On 20 Feb 2017, at 18:49, Xie Chongfeng wrote: > Hi, Marc sorry. it was Benoit, the AD, who sent that email. not me. Marc. > Thank you for your notice. > I sincerely hope that we can make new progress in the coming days. > > Chongfeng Xie > >> Dear all, > >> I thought I would let you know :-) > >> Regards, Benoit > > > > xiechf.bri@chinatelecom.cn > _______________________________________________ > CASM mailing list > CASM@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/casm From nobody Mon Feb 20 15:53:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: casm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: casm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79684129441 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2017 15:53:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r3J-albtuz0x for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2017 15:53:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from chinatelecom.cn (prt-mail.chinatelecom.cn [42.123.76.221]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A143812941A for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2017 15:53:52 -0800 (PST) HMM_SOURCE_IP: 172.18.0.48:49463.52067129 HMM_ATTACHE_NUM: 0000 HMM_SOURCE_TYPE: SMTP Received: from clientip-219.142.69.77 (unknown [172.18.0.48]) by chinatelecom.cn (HERMES) with ESMTP id 6957A280075; Tue, 21 Feb 2017 07:53:49 +0800 (CST) Received: from ip<219.142.69.77> ([172.18.0.48]) by App0024(MEDUSA 0.0.0.0) with ESMTP id bc5dc007-b667-4f04-b89a-46fd09dc2cbe for casm@ietf.org; Tue Feb 21 07:53:50 2017 0/X-Total-Score: 0: X-FILTER-SCORE: to=<8482948e618a8695874f909388>, score=<1487634830rJmmmmmUmm2mmDmU2DwQIbtMfffffyffYffXfyYXL+GS> X-Real-From: xiechf.bri@chinatelecom.cn X-Receive-IP: 172.18.0.48 X-MEDUSA-Status: 0 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 07:53:51 +0800 From: "Xie Chongfeng" To: "CASM@ietf.org" , bclaise X-Priority: 3 X-Has-Attach: no X-Mailer: Foxmail 7, 2, 7, 166[cn] Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <201702210753508683936@chinatelecom.cn> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_001_NextPart405144586434_=----" Archived-At: Subject: [Casm] The casm BoF has been approved X-BeenThere: casm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Centralized Address Space Management List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 23:53:54 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_001_NextPart405144586434_=---- Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 SGksIEJlbm9pdA0KDQpUaGFuayB5b3UgZm9yIHlvdXIgbm90aWNlLg0KIA0KSSBzaW5jZXJlbHkg aG9wZSB0aGF0IHdlIGNhbiBtYWtlIG5ldyBwcm9ncmVzcyBpbiB0aGUgY29taW5nIGRheXMuDQoN CkNob25nZmVuZyBYaWUNCg0KPkRlYXIgYWxsLA0KDQo+SSB0aG91Z2h0IEkgd291bGQgbGV0IHlv dSBrbm93IDotKQ0KDQo+UmVnYXJkcywgQmVub2l0DQoNCg0KDQp4aWVjaGYuYnJpQGNoaW5hdGVs ZWNvbS5jbg0K ------=_001_NextPart405144586434_=---- Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A
Hi, Benoit

Thank you for your notice.
=
 
I sincerely hope that we ca= n make new progress in the coming days.

Chongfeng Xie

>Dear all,

>I thought&n= bsp;I would let you know :-)

>Regards,&= nbsp;Benoit
=0A

=0A
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Hi all,

 

Below please find our review of draft-kumar-casm-req= uirements-and-framework.

 

 

**** Technical ****

 

* Section 4

I would suggest to put requirement section into t= he use case draft.

 

*Section 5

>       +----------------+ +------+ +--= --+ +-----+ +-----------------------+

>       |Interface for   | |SDN/  | |OSS/| |= ADMIN| |Interface for logs,    |

>       |managing address| |Legacy| |BSS | |  &nb= sp;  | |DHCP, DNS, NAT, Address|

>       |space and pools | |      = | |    | |     | |allocation records&nbs= p;    |

>       +--------+-------+ +--+---+= +-+--+ +--+--+ +----------+------------= 3;

o   |       &= nbsp;    |       |  =      |        &= nbsp;      ^

o   |       &= nbsp;    |       |  =      |        &= nbsp;      |

o   |       &= nbsp;    |       |  =      |        &= nbsp;      |

o   |       &= nbsp;    |       |  =      |        &= nbsp;      |

o   v       &= nbsp;    v       v  =      v        &= nbsp;      |

>       +---+------------+-------+-------&#= 43;---------------+------+

>       |    Address Space Management (IPAM)= System           &n= bsp; |

>       |      +-----------= 3; +----------+ +--------+     &nb= sp;      |

>       |      | Pool  &= nbsp;   | |Address   | |Database|   &nbs= p;        |

>       |      | Management| |Mana= gement| |        |   &nbs= p;        |

>       |      +-----------= 3; +----------+ +--------+     &nb= sp;      |

>       |        &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;         |

>       +-------------------------+----------------= -------------+

o   |

>       +-----------v------------+

>       |Address Helper Plug|ins |

>       +----+--+------+-----+---+<= o:p>

>       |  |       =   |     |--------------------+

>       |  +----+    | &nb= sp;            =             |

>       |       |  =    ------------+       &nb= sp;     |

>       v       +----|&nb= sp;           | &nbs= p;           |=

>       +--------+    +-----+= ;  +----------+   +--------+

>       | DNS    |    |NAT&nb= sp; |  |  Address |   | DHCP   |

>       | Servers|    |   &nb= sp; |  |  Mapping |   | Servers|

>       |        | =    |     |  |  Systems |  = ; |        |

>       +--------+    +-----+= ;  +----------+   +--------+

 

As this is the framework draft, our main comments= are about this figure:

1.      Given all the use cases in two use case draft, it s= eems this figure cannot cover all of the use cases.

2.      IPAM in the middle usually referred to IPAM tools, = here I suggest use CASM system in the middle box if it’s different fr= om IPAM tools.

3.      There seems missing the NE at the bottom of this fi= gure? Do you mean there is no direct interface toward NE?

 

**** Editorial ****

 

* Section 4

>     = ;  The requirements should be able to meet the

>     = ;  various use-cases identified in the draft.

 

s/in the draft/in use case draft , and better refer = to use case draft here, as there is no use cases in this draft.<= /p>

 

Regards,

Will LIU (LIU Shucheng= )

 

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[130.216.38.132]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t6sm32881661pgo.42.2017.02.27.15.54.24 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 27 Feb 2017 15:54:27 -0800 (PST) To: Xie Chongfeng , "marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca" , bclaise , "CASM@ietf.org" References: <2111FF63-4AAA-4C50-8358-39CD55397D82@juniper.net> <2017021522094618095419@chinatelecom.cn> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <1aed9ffa-5c0f-40ea-6afd-0af58930961a@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 12:54:23 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2017021522094618095419@chinatelecom.cn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: "lichen.bri@chinatelecom.cn" , draft-ietf-anima-prefix-management@ietf.org, "'Liushucheng \(Will\)'" , "wanghn.bri@chinatelecom.cn" Subject: Re: [Casm] =?utf-8?q?Which_interfaces_does_CASM_plan_on_standardizing?= =?utf-8?b?P++BoQ==?= X-BeenThere: casm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Centralized Address Space Management List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:54:34 -0000 Hi Chongfeng, > Network operation team needs configure manaually IP address pool in eac= h =20 > BRAS/vBRAS Obviously that is a hopeless task. That's exactly why this is one of the test cases for ANIMA. So can you please comment on the level of detail needed in that interface? Is it similar to https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-anima-prefix-management-02#section= -6.1 That is an example for an IPRAN operator. Note, I'm not asking about technical details - just about the level of abstraction. Regards Brian Carpenter On 16/02/2017 03:09, Xie Chongfeng wrote: >=20 > Hi=EF=BC=8CBenoit and all, >=20 > This subject was originally raised by China Telecom, our use case is cl= ear and straightforward. In CT's network, there are tens of thousands of= BRAS equipments=EF=BC=8Cwhich are the major gateway to the broadband use= rs. When the vBRAS was introduced, the volume will be even higher. Networ= k operation team needs configure manaually IP address pool in each =20 > BRAS/vBRAS, which are time-consuming and low -efficient. Can DHCP solve= this problem? The answer is NO, since DHCP deals with address allocation= for end users. =20 >=20 > In order to autimate the configuration process and improve the IP adres= s usage, a centralized address pool managment approach may be more reason= able. We discucssed with verdors and carriers, we found that there have b= een some proprioritary inplementations, they differ in the south-bound in= terface, so we propose to standardize the south-bound interface in the e= arly stage, which will benefit to all the players. >=20 > Since the requirements are pressing to CT, we begun the filed trial las= t year and 3 vendors have implementated the interface defined in draft-su= n-i2apm-address-pool-management-yang, luckily they all passed the field t= est by our joint efforts. >=20 > As mentioned in other drafts of CASM, the address management capability= will be opened to other applications,such as SDN and Cloud , the north= -bound interface will be standanized as well. =20 >=20 > Of course, in order to define the interface and its relatvie workflow, = a unified framwork or architecture will need to be defined in advance. >=20 > Thank you! >=20 > Chongfeng Xie=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > xiechf.bri@chinatelecom.cn > =20 > From: Marc Blanchet > Date: 2017-02-14 20:24 > To: Rakesh Kumar > CC: Liushucheng; Xie Chongfeng > Subject: Re: IPAM design from microsoft > will look into it. were you able to get Bloomsberg or else to support t= he work? > Marc. > On 14 Feb 2017, at 6:57, Rakesh Kumar wrote: > HI, > =20 > I found a very good document on the web from Microsoft about IPAM. This= is good document that explains some of the concept we have listed in the= drafts. > I thought, you guys might want to take a look at this for your referenc= e. > =20 > Thanks & Regards > Rakesh >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CASM mailing list > CASM@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/casm >=20 From nobody Mon Feb 27 17:21:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: casm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: casm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C65A212947E; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 17:21:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.891 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.891 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost 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+0800 From: "Xie Chongfeng" To: "Brian E Carpenter" , "marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca" , bclaise , "CASM@ietf.org" References: <2111FF63-4AAA-4C50-8358-39CD55397D82@juniper.net>, , <2017021522094618095419@chinatelecom.cn>, <1aed9ffa-5c0f-40ea-6afd-0af58930961a@gmail.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Has-Attach: no X-Mailer: Foxmail 7, 2, 7, 166[cn] Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2017022809122853035318@chinatelecom.cn> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_001_NextPart501052077270_=----" Archived-At: Cc: "lichen.bri@chinatelecom.cn" , draft-ietf-anima-prefix-management , "'Liushucheng \(Will\)'" , "wanghn.bri@chinatelecom.cn" Subject: Re: [Casm] =?utf-8?q?Which_interfaces_does_CASM_plan_on_standardizing?= =?utf-8?b?P++BoQ==?= X-BeenThere: casm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Centralized Address Space Management List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 01:21:46 -0000 This is a multi-part 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<= div>Hi,  Carpenter=EF=BC=8C

It is nice to receive your = comments.=E3=80=80

CASM and ANIMA differ with&n= bsp;each otherin the following=  aspects. 

Firstly, ANIMA is = a self-managing in  
AUTONOMIC networking = ;environment, the configurations to network eleme= nts 
are mainly done by the network = elements themselves. while in CASM, in order=  
to make the task easier, we propos= e the use centralizedserver or platform to&n= bsp;do 
the configuration task, of course,&nbs= p;the server may be distributed physically. =


Secondly, they have different use cas= e, more the 3 
years ago, I had = ;a long talk with Dr. Jiang Sheng in&nb= sp;Beijing, and propose 
that the IP RAN&= nbsp;may be a suitable use case to ANIM= A, although the name 
didn't exist yet.&n= bsp; the primary use case for CASM is&n= bsp;the address pool 
configuration for broadb= and IP network, CT has implemented the = whole system 
based on the current CASM= =E3=80=80dratfs, and 3 vendors have joined t= he field test 
last year. The field = trial prove this approach can solve the = ;issues we 
are concernd with.

The detailed description of the interface&n= bsp;is shown in,
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sun-i= 2apm-address-pool-management-yang/


Thank you!

Chongfeng &nb= sp;
 

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=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A Brian E Carpenter
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=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A Xie Chongfeng; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; bclaise; CASM@ietf.org
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81=EF=BC=9A lichen.bri@chinatelecom.cn; 'Liushucheng (Will)'; wanghn.bri@chinatelecom.cn; draft-ietf-anima-prefix-management
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98=EF=BC=9A Re: [Casm] Which interfac= es does CASM plan on standardizing?=EF=81=A1
Hi= Chongfeng,
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> Network operation team n= eeds configure manaually IP address pool in each 
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Obviously that is a hopeless t= ask. That's exactly why this is one
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of the test cases for ANI= MA. So can you please comment on the
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That is a= n example for an IPRAN operator.
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> This subject was origi= nally raised by China Telecom, our use case is clear and straightforward.&= nbsp; In CT's network, there are tens of thousands of BRAS equipments=EF= =BC=8Cwhich are the major gateway to the broadband users. When the vBRAS w= as introduced, the volume will be even higher. Network operation team need= s configure manaually IP address pool in each 
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> BRA= S/vBRAS, which are time-consuming and low -efficient. Can DHCP solve this = problem? The answer is NO, since DHCP deals with address allocation for en= d users.  
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> In order to aut= imate the configuration process and improve the IP adress usage, a central= ized address pool managment approach may be more reasonable. We discucssed= with verdors and carriers, we found that there have been some propriorita= ry inplementations, they differ in the south-bound interface, so  we = propose to standardize the south-bound interface in the early stage, which= will benefit to all the players.
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> Sin= ce the requirements are pressing to CT, we begun the filed trial last year= and 3 vendors have implementated the interface defined in draft-sun-i2apm= -address-pool-management-yang, luckily they all passed the field test by o= ur joint efforts.
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> As mentioned in oth= er drafts of CASM, the address management capability will be  opened = to other applications,such as SDN and Cloud , the  north-bound interf= ace will be standanized as well. 
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> To: Rakesh Kumar
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=0A> will look into it. were you able to get Bloomsberg or else to supp= ort the work?
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> I found a very good document on the web from Microsoft a= bout IPAM. This is good document that explains some of the concept we have= listed in the drafts.
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What I hope is that the two appro= aches can be consistent as far as possible. So if you can express the policy to= a CASM system, and we can express the policy to an Autonomic Service Agen= t, we get similar results. That's why I asked about the level of abstraction= , not about the details. =20 > Secondly, they have different use case, more the 3=20 > years ago, I had a long talk with Dr. Jiang Sheng in Beijing, and propo= se=20 > that the IP RAN may be a suitable use case to ANIMA, although the name = > didn't exist yet. the primary use case for CASM is the address pool=20 > configuration for broadband IP network, CT has implemented the whole sy= stem=20 > based on the current CASM=E3=80=80dratfs, and 3 vendors have joined the= field test=20 > last year. The field trial prove this approach can solve the issues we = > are concernd with. I have no doubt of that, and Anima is not yet a mature technology. Howeve= r, the Anima solution can be much broader than the IPRAN case - any device r= oles that involve prefix delegation could easily be covered. So I think it is quite important to have comparable policy options. >=20 > The detailed description of the interface is shown in, > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-managemen= t-yang/ OK, I will try to study that. Regards Brian >=20 >=20 > Thank you! >=20 > Chongfeng =20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > xiechf.bri@chinatelecom.cn > =20 > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A Brian E Carpenter > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4=EF=BC=9A 2017-02-28 07:54 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A Xie Chongfeng; marc.blanchet@viage= nie.ca; bclaise; CASM@ietf.org > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81=EF=BC=9A lichen.bri@chinatelecom.cn; 'Liushucheng (W= ill)'; wanghn.bri@chinatelecom.cn; draft-ietf-anima-prefix-management > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98=EF=BC=9A Re: [Casm] Which interfaces does CASM plan = on standardizing?=EF=81=A1 > Hi Chongfeng, > =20 >> Network operation team needs configure manaually IP address pool in ea= ch =20 >> BRAS/vBRAS > =20 > Obviously that is a hopeless task. That's exactly why this is one > of the test cases for ANIMA. So can you please comment on the > level of detail needed in that interface? Is it similar to > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-anima-prefix-management-02#secti= on-6.1 > That is an example for an IPRAN operator. > =20 > Note, I'm not asking about technical details - just about the > level of abstraction. > =20 > Regards > Brian Carpenter > =20 > On 16/02/2017 03:09, Xie Chongfeng wrote: >> >> Hi=EF=BC=8CBenoit and all, >> >> This subject was originally raised by China Telecom, our use case is c= lear and straightforward. In CT's network, there are tens of thousands o= f BRAS equipments=EF=BC=8Cwhich are the major gateway to the broadband us= ers. When the vBRAS was introduced, the volume will be even higher. Netwo= rk operation team needs configure manaually IP address pool in each =20 >> BRAS/vBRAS, which are time-consuming and low -efficient. Can DHCP solv= e this problem? The answer is NO, since DHCP deals with address allocatio= n for end users. =20 >> >> In order to autimate the configuration process and improve the IP adre= ss usage, a centralized address pool managment approach may be more reaso= nable. We discucssed with verdors and carriers, we found that there have = been some proprioritary inplementations, they differ in the south-bound i= nterface, so we propose to standardize the south-bound interface in the = early stage, which will benefit to all the players. >> >> Since the requirements are pressing to CT, we begun the filed trial la= st year and 3 vendors have implementated the interface defined in draft-s= un-i2apm-address-pool-management-yang, luckily they all passed the field = test by our joint efforts. >> >> As mentioned in other drafts of CASM, the address management capabilit= y will be opened to other applications,such as SDN and Cloud , the nort= h-bound interface will be standanized as well. =20 >> >> Of course, in order to define the interface and its relatvie workflow,= a unified framwork or architecture will need to be defined in advance. >> >> Thank you! >> >> Chongfeng Xie=20 >> >> >> =20 >> >> >> >> xiechf.bri@chinatelecom.cn >> =20 >> From: Marc Blanchet >> Date: 2017-02-14 20:24 >> To: Rakesh Kumar >> CC: Liushucheng; Xie Chongfeng >> Subject: Re: IPAM design from microsoft >> will look into it. were you able to get Bloomsberg or else to support = the work? >> Marc. >> On 14 Feb 2017, at 6:57, Rakesh Kumar wrote: >> HI, >> =20 >> I found a very good document on the web from Microsoft about IPAM. Thi= s is good document that explains some of the concept we have listed in th= e drafts. >> I thought, you guys might want to take a look at this for your referen= ce. >> =20 >> Thanks & Regards >> Rakesh >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CASM mailing list >> CASM@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/casm >> > =20 >=20 From nobody Tue Feb 28 01:32:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: casm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: casm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD081294F5 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2017 01:32:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.992 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.992 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_REMOTE_IMAGE=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=doodle.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WzZ-zZ22tTzw for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2017 01:32:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from worker2.doodle.com (worker2.doodle.com [94.230.219.152]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ADE2712706D for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2017 01:32:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from worker2.doodle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by worker2.doodle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA8F8190141A for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2017 10:32:12 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.9.2 worker2.doodle.com AA8F8190141A DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=doodle.com; s=mail; t=1488274332; bh=LlybUTyYwg+ACTn6N8qO38SJVvp0zOyTIcTLuiUufaw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:From; b=iu0POD6ZtDxc2Xxmxee5d6QhD0gr8kZBSTnsejHWXO6j4TY8JtUz93lraAAXw4935 5vpf9TjLm4svK3HhncJdVSi5sB9Wbr2BCHW1iADJ2wxbD6w/5hx2CLBtmc/AeRu9OJ 1fOY+/vEgre1WQsPudiwjqqLVVk7fi8XBnmb+YE9inkg2MpL+2v4eXoWbUPWZfYpEo zNQ/ky2tDZfI7zFNVx96oByNDtP+fvwuAd31hueVpOa99KwZZzVVp8Y/oVuQLs1fBv /mv5t0Kbb3S+7yvW/i6udgQDrKt/BjsRm5wnc9JaLkqvk+GBgEA9lcVl/uzSuxLWxf moZvwjG3usZ8g== Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 10:32:12 +0100 (CET) From: "Will LIU (via Doodle)" To: CASM@ietf.org Message-ID: <1523896356.3548284.1488274332693.POLL_INVITECONTACT_PARTICIPANT_FINALPICK@worker2.doodle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3548283_549257514.1488274332692" Archived-At: Subject: [Casm] CASM weekly meeting X-BeenThere: casm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Will LIU List-Id: Centralized Address Space Management List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 09:32:18 -0000 ------=_Part_3548283_549257514.1488274332692 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, Will LIU has chosen the following final date in the poll =E2=80=9CCASM week= ly meeting=E2=80=9D: Time zone: Shanghai * Thursday, March 2, 2017 9:00 PM =E2=80=93 10:00 PM Go to poll https://doodle.com/poll/cibdcxcsi7rfityz?tmail=3Dpoll_invitecontact_partici= pant_finalpick&tlink=3Dpollbtn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You have received this e-mail because "Will LIU" has invited you to participate in the Doodle poll "CASM weekly meeting." ---- Doodle is also available for iOS and Android. ---- Doodle AG, Werdstrasse 21, 8021 Z=C3=BCrich ------=_Part_3548283_549257514.1488274332692 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
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Management List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 21:16:08 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C0EA950D70AF1FE141DA0E6A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 2/16/2017 3:45 PM, Liushucheng (Will) wrote: > > Hi Benoit, > > Please see below inline. > > *From:*Benoit Claise [mailto:bclaise@cisco.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 9:25 PM > *To:* Liushucheng (Will); CASM@ietf.org > *Cc:* 'Ying Cheng'; 'Xie Chongfeng'; 'Rakesh Kumar'; joelja@bogus.com; > Marc Blanchet; warren@kumari.net > *Subject:* Re: [Casm] Possible charter goals and milestones > > Hi Liushucheng, > > Hi Benoit and all, > > Thanks for your guidance. After offline discussions among all the > proponents, we changed the BoF to non-WG forming in the wiki. > https://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/ > > We also added the purpose of the BoF in the description: > > The purpose of the BoF is to gather a common set of requirements > from a larger set of operators and, if needed, possible protocol > work milestones and scope. > > Protocol work? Which protocol? Can you expand on what is needed? > I thought the work was about interfaces. > */[Will] Thanks for the comments. As answered by Rakesh and Chongfeng, > currently only interfaces are considered./* > OK, to make sure we speak the same language, what do you call an interface in this context? - A protocol between A and B (with some negotiation, for example)? - A data model? https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-yang/ has been mentioned - An API? - etc. Regards, Benoit > > *//* > > *//* > > Cheers, > > Will (Shucheng LIU) > --------------C0EA950D70AF1FE141DA0E6A Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 2/16/2017 3:45 PM, Liushucheng (Will) wrote:

Hi Benoit,

 

Please see below inline.

 

From: Benoit Claise [mailto:bclaise@cisco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 9:25 PM
To: Liushucheng (Will); CASM@ietf.org
Cc: 'Ying Cheng'; 'Xie Chongfeng'; 'Rakesh Kumar'; joelja@bogus.com; Marc Blanchet; warren@kumari.net
Subject: Re: [Casm] Possible charter goals and milestones

 

Hi Liushucheng,

Hi Benoit and all,

 

Thanks for your guidance. After offline discussions among all the proponents, we changed the BoF to non-WG forming in the wiki.  https://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/

 

 

We also added the purpose of the BoF in the description:

The purpose of the BoF is to gather a common set of requirements from a larger set of operators and, if needed, possible protocol work milestones and scope.

Protocol work?  Which protocol?  Can you expand on what is needed?
I thought the work was about interfaces.
[Will] Thanks for the comments. As answered by Rakesh and Chongfeng, currently only interfaces are considered.

OK, to make sure we speak the same language, what do you call an interface in this context?
    - A protocol between A and B (with some negotiation, for example)?
    - A data model?  https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-yang/ has been mentioned
    - An API?
    - etc.

Regards, Benoit

 

Cheers,

Will (Shucheng LIU)


--------------C0EA950D70AF1FE141DA0E6A-- From nobody Tue Feb 28 13:16:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: casm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: casm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C405124281; Tue, 28 Feb 2017 13:16:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.512 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.512 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fn3FJQQ3sGPJ; Tue, 28 Feb 2017 13:16:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-4.cisco.com (aer-iport-4.cisco.com [173.38.203.54]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCAFE1296FD; Tue, 28 Feb 2017 13:16:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=18644; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1488316570; x=1489526170; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=AionFtC2JlaYpOl6JFn5q7djUMnhSzpG63xH67+felg=; b=M24HrgYXm5E77HXr+YSAwq1KJO1sZFwLQrddAMtUiboTOfL/P2G3N2+c xCeRJOTO3CuGrZ67lG5Po3IU7h9DBzUhT1M/edTqyHfrHOjF2fKvvdBhS klh87g1ZCAMgRasYH2d7zxMTqlrnt4zKXqaUWUwb1xEQdtdISA/Dza/jy w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CPFAAu6LVY/xbLJq0aA0AZAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEHAQEBAQGCboFDAydfg1uKe5BxiAyHfVGGaB8BDIIwg0YCgnAVAQIBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBYiiEcAEBAQMBAQEhMRMHBgUFCwkCEQECAQIBJwMCAiEGHwMDAwgGAQwGA?= =?us-ascii?q?gEBiVsDDQgOknx9nViCJiuHEA2DXgEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARgFhky?= =?us-ascii?q?CBYJqglGBbR4YFoJQgl8FiRaGPYYehXg6hnSDJoNuhCSBe4UggzCGTYpKX4gJN?= =?us-ascii?q?SKBASEUCBcVPoZOPzUBiW8BAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.35,221,1484006400"; d="scan'208,217";a="652882206" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-3.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 28 Feb 2017 21:16:02 +0000 Received: from [10.61.165.123] ([10.61.165.123]) by aer-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v1SLG0oC026751; Tue, 28 Feb 2017 21:16:01 GMT To: Xie Chongfeng , Brian E Carpenter , "marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca" , "CASM@ietf.org" References: <2111FF63-4AAA-4C50-8358-39CD55397D82@juniper.net> <2017021522094618095419@chinatelecom.cn> <1aed9ffa-5c0f-40ea-6afd-0af58930961a@gmail.com> <2017022809122853035318@chinatelecom.cn> From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: <216b9239-592a-a22c-aa43-889a2872300e@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 21:47:37 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2017022809122853035318@chinatelecom.cn> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------47CBCF36F8EBC9B1591C5061" Archived-At: Cc: "lichen.bri@chinatelecom.cn" , draft-ietf-anima-prefix-management , "'Liushucheng \(Will\)'" , "wanghn.bri@chinatelecom.cn" Subject: Re: [Casm] =?utf-8?q?Which_interfaces_does_CASM_plan_on_standardizing?= =?utf-8?b?P++BoQ==?= X-BeenThere: casm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Centralized Address Space Management List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 21:16:18 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------47CBCF36F8EBC9B1591C5061 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Chongfeng, > Hi, Carpenter， > > It is nice to receive your comments.　 > > CASM and ANIMA differ with each otherin the following aspects. > > Firstly, ANIMA is a self-managing in > AUTONOMIC networking environment, the configurations to network elements > are mainly done by the network elements themselves. while in CASM, in order > > to make the task easier, we propose the use centralizedserver or platform to do > > the configuration task, of course, the server may be distributed physically. > > > > Secondly, they have different use case, more the 3 > years ago, I had a long talk with Dr. Jiang Sheng in Beijing, and propose > that the IP RAN may be a suitable use case to ANIMA, although the name > didn't exist yet. the primary use case for CASM is the address pool > configuration for broadband IP network, CT has implemented the whole system > > based on the current CASM　dratfs, and 3 vendors have joined the field test > > last year. The field trial prove this approach can solve the issues we > are concernd with. > > The detailed description of the interface is shown in, > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-yang/ 3 vendor implementations. Great. That's a lot of experience. So the end goal is to standardize this draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-yang draft? You had some support for this in OPSAWG for a WG document, if I recall correctly... Or maybe you learned from this development experience? Regards, Benoit > > > Thank you! > > Chongfeng > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > xiechf.bri@chinatelecom.cn > > *发件人：* Brian E Carpenter > *发送时间：* 2017-02-28 07:54 > *收件人：* Xie Chongfeng ; > marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca ; > bclaise ; CASM@ietf.org > > *抄送：* lichen.bri@chinatelecom.cn > ; 'Liushucheng (Will)' > ; wanghn.bri@chinatelecom.cn > ; > draft-ietf-anima-prefix-management > > *主题：* Re: [Casm] Which interfaces does CASM plan on standardizing? > Hi Chongfeng, > > Network operation team needs configure manaually IP address pool > in each > > BRAS/vBRAS > Obviously that is a hopeless task. That's exactly why this is one > of the test cases for ANIMA. So can you please comment on the > level of detail needed in that interface? Is it similar to > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-anima-prefix-management-02#section-6.1 > That is an example for an IPRAN operator. > Note, I'm not asking about technical details - just about the > level of abstraction. > Regards > Brian Carpenter > On 16/02/2017 03:09, Xie Chongfeng wrote: > > > > Hi，Benoit and all, > > > > This subject was originally raised by China Telecom, our use > case is clear and straightforward. In CT's network, there are > tens of thousands of BRAS equipments，which are the major gateway > to the broadband users. When the vBRAS was introduced, the volume > will be even higher. Network operation team needs configure > manaually IP address pool in each > > BRAS/vBRAS, which are time-consuming and low -efficient. Can > DHCP solve this problem? The answer is NO, since DHCP deals with > address allocation for end users. > > > > In order to autimate the configuration process and improve the > IP adress usage, a centralized address pool managment approach may > be more reasonable. We discucssed with verdors and carriers, we > found that there have been some proprioritary inplementations, > they differ in the south-bound interface, so we propose to > standardize the south-bound interface in the early stage, which > will benefit to all the players. > > > > Since the requirements are pressing to CT, we begun the filed > trial last year and 3 vendors have implementated the interface > defined in draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-yang, luckily > they all passed the field test by our joint efforts. > > > > As mentioned in other drafts of CASM, the address management > capability will be opened to other applications,such as SDN and > Cloud , the north-bound interface will be standanized as well. > > > > Of course, in order to define the interface and its relatvie > workflow, a unified framwork or architecture will need to be > defined in advance. > > > > Thank you! > > > > Chongfeng Xie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > xiechf.bri@chinatelecom.cn > > > > From: Marc Blanchet > > Date: 2017-02-14 20:24 > > To: Rakesh Kumar > > CC: Liushucheng; Xie Chongfeng > > Subject: Re: IPAM design from microsoft > > will look into it. were you able to get Bloomsberg or else to > support the work? > > Marc. > > On 14 Feb 2017, at 6:57, Rakesh Kumar wrote: > > HI, > > > > I found a very good document on the web from Microsoft about > IPAM. This is good document that explains some of the concept we > have listed in the drafts. > > I thought, you guys might want to take a look at this for your > reference. > > > > Thanks & Regards > > Rakesh > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > CASM mailing list > > CASM@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/casm > > > --------------47CBCF36F8EBC9B1591C5061 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Chongfeng,
Hi,  Carpenter，

It is nice to receive your comments.　

CASM and ANIMA differ with each otherin the following aspects. 

Firstly, ANIMA is a self-managing in  
AUTONOMIC networking environment, the configurations to network elements 
are mainly done by the network elements themselves. while in CASM, in order 
to make the task easier, we propose the use centralizedserver or platform to do 
the configuration task, of course, the server may be distributed physically. 


Secondly, they have different use case, more the 3 
years ago, I had a long talk with Dr. Jiang Sheng in Beijing, and propose 
that the IP RAN may be a suitable use case to ANIMA, although the name 
didn't exist yet.  the primary use case for CASM is the address pool 
configuration for broadband IP network, CT has implemented the whole system 
based on the current CASM　dratfs, and 3 vendors have joined the field test 
last year. The field trial prove this approach can solve the issues we 
are concernd with.

The detailed description of the interface is shown in,
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-yang/
3 vendor implementations. Great. That's a lot of experience.
So the end goal is to standardize this draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-yang draft?
You had some support for this in OPSAWG for a WG document, if I recall correctly...
Or maybe you learned from this development experience?

Regards, Benoit


Thank you!

Chongfeng  
 


 
发件人： Brian E Carpenter
发送时间： 2017-02-28 07:54
主题： Re: [Casm] Which interfaces does CASM plan on standardizing?
Hi Chongfeng,
 
> Network operation team needs configure manaually IP address pool in each 
> BRAS/vBRAS
 
Obviously that is a hopeless task. That's exactly why this is one
of the test cases for ANIMA. So can you please comment on the
level of detail needed in that interface? Is it similar to
That is an example for an IPRAN operator.
 
Note, I'm not asking about technical details - just about the
level of abstraction.
 
Regards
   Brian Carpenter
 
On 16/02/2017 03:09, Xie Chongfeng wrote:
>
> Hi，Benoit and all,
>
> This subject was originally raised by China Telecom, our use case is clear and straightforward.  In CT's network, there are tens of thousands of BRAS equipments，which are the major gateway to the broadband users. When the vBRAS was introduced, the volume will be even higher. Network operation team needs configure manaually IP address pool in each 
> BRAS/vBRAS, which are time-consuming and low -efficient. Can DHCP solve this problem? The answer is NO, since DHCP deals with address allocation for end users.  
>
> In order to autimate the configuration process and improve the IP adress usage, a centralized address pool managment approach may be more reasonable. We discucssed with verdors and carriers, we found that there have been some proprioritary inplementations, they differ in the south-bound interface, so  we propose to standardize the south-bound interface in the early stage, which will benefit to all the players.
>
> Since the requirements are pressing to CT, we begun the filed trial last year and 3 vendors have implementated the interface defined in draft-sun-i2apm-address-pool-management-yang, luckily they all passed the field test by our joint efforts.
>
> As mentioned in other drafts of CASM, the address management capability will be  opened to other applications,such as SDN and Cloud , the  north-bound interface will be standanized as well. 
>
> Of course, in order to define the interface and its relatvie workflow, a unified framwork or architecture will need to be defined in advance.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Chongfeng Xie
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
> From: Marc Blanchet
> Date: 2017-02-14 20:24
> To: Rakesh Kumar
> CC: Liushucheng; Xie Chongfeng
> Subject: Re: IPAM design from microsoft
> will look into it. were you able to get Bloomsberg or else to support the work?
> Marc.
> On 14 Feb 2017, at 6:57, Rakesh Kumar wrote:
> HI,
> 
> I found a very good document on the web from Microsoft about IPAM. This is good document that explains some of the concept we have listed in the drafts.
> I thought, you guys might want to take a look at this for your reference.
> 
> Thanks & Regards
> Rakesh
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> CASM mailing list
>
 

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It's time to get organized for the CASM BoF.
Marc Blanchet and Ralph Droms accepted to facilitate the CASM BoF as chairs. Thanks to them.

We, OPS ADs, identified a couple of points that would require some more explanations IMO.
- Which interfaces does CASM plan on standardizing?
- What are the envisioned key deliverables?
- See Warren's email on "where is the border"?

There are surely some more, but that should get the discussion started.

The two CASM drafts are in their 00 release and are pretty light to be honest.
They would benefit from some updates.

A BoF is successful when the proponents are able to clearly explain their problem statement to the audience, to get the audience to agree that this is an important topic, and propose (a start of) a solution as a way forward.
RFC 5434 is a good read, from which I particularly like:
In those cases, the goal of the
BOF is to demonstrate that the community has agreement that:

      - there is a problem that needs solving, and the IETF is the right
        group to attempt solving it.

      - there is a critical mass of participants willing to work on the
        problem (e.g., write drafts, review drafts, etc.).

      - the scope of the problem is well defined and understood, that
        is, people generally understand what the WG will work on (and
        what it won't) and what its actual deliverables will be.

      - there is agreement that the specific deliverables (i.e.,
        proposed documents) are the right set.

      - it is believed that the WG has a reasonable probability of
        having success (i.e., in completing the deliverables in its
        charter in a timely fashion).

Regards, Benoit (OPS AD).


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