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v><div><div>hi=EF=BC=8C Brian,</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you for your=
 comments. &nbsp;<span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5; backg=
round-color: window;">See my comments inline. In order to make them clear,=
 I mark them in red.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; li=
ne-height: 1.5; background-color: window;"><br></span></div><div><span sty=
le=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5; background-color: window;">Chon=
gfeng</span></div><div><br></div><hr color=3D"#b5c4df" size=3D"1" align=3D=
"left" style=3D"width: 210px; height: 1px;"><div><div style=3D"margin: 10p=
x; font-family: verdana; font-size: 10pt;">xiechf.bri@chinatelecom.cn</div=
></div><blockquote><div>&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"border-style: solid none=
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g: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><div style=3D"padding: 8px; font-size: 12px; font-family:=
 tahoma; background-color: rgb(239, 239, 239);"><div><b>From:</b>&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com">Brian E Carpenter</a></div><di=
v><b>Date:</b>&nbsp;2017-06-25&nbsp;12:57</div><div><b>To:</b>&nbsp;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:xiechf.bri@chinatelecom.cn">xiechf.bri@chinatelecom.cn</a>;&nb=
sp;<a href=3D"mailto:casm@ietf.org">casm</a></div><div><b>Subject:</b>&nbs=
p;Re: [Casm] I-D Action: draft-li-casm-address-pool-management-architectur=
e-00.txt</div></div></div><div><div>Sorry, I have been rather busy so did =
not reply promptly.</div><div>See comments in line:</div><div>&nbsp;</div>=
<div>On 17/05/2017 21:30, xiechf.bri@chinatelecom.cn wrote:</div><div>&gt;=
 Hi=EF=BC=8CBrian,</div><div>&gt;</div><div>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thank you for your comments, pls see inline for more comm=
ents=EF=BC=8E</div><div>&gt;</div><div>&gt; Chongfeng=E3=80=80</div><div>&=
gt;&nbsp;</div><div>&gt; Hi,</div><div>&gt;&nbsp;</div><div>&gt; Thanks fo=
r this interesting draft.</div><div>&gt;&nbsp;</div><div>&gt; First, here =
is one of the definitions:</div><div>&gt;&nbsp;</div><div>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; CASM Coordinator: A management system which h=
as a centralized</div><div>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; da=
tabase manage the overall address pools and allocate address</div><div>&gt=
;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; pools to the device in the devic=
es.</div><div>&gt;&nbsp;</div><div>&gt; Ther is no need for this database =
to be centralized or for the allocation of address pools to be centralized=
. It can be done with a completely distributed system. (I agree that centr=
alized logging might be needed.) In fact, sections 4.2 and 4.3 describe a =
centralized model for everything, not just for logging.</div><div>&gt;</di=
v><div>&gt;&nbsp; Chongfeng: =E3=80=80Centralized and distributed is a dif=
ferent way of implementation, in the traditional network, usually using a =
distributed approach, the distributed approach is not excluded, and CASM f=
ocus on centralized solutions.=E3=80=80In the centralized address resource=
 management architecture, the allocation of address blocks is determined b=
y the CASM Coordinator, which requires the maintenance of allocated, unall=
ocated address block, and therefore requires a database to hold such infor=
mation. And also, it maintains log information.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div=
>Understood.</div><div>&gt; Could we perhaps agree that this is only one p=
ossible architecture?</div><div>&gt; If so, we would also need a second dr=
aft describing a distributed architecture. It's quite hard to cover both d=
esigns in one document.</div><div>&gt;</div><div>&gt;&nbsp; Chongfeng: =E3=
=80=80Yes, as mentioned earlier, centralized is a possible architecture. A=
 typical distributed example is BNG, which assigns addresses to end users.=
 It is a way that has existed for a long time, should not need the standar=
d, right?</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>That seems to be an area full proprie=
tary solutions, as far as I can see.</div><div>The idea of a standardized =
practice is to allow multivendor solutions.</div><div>As far as I know, th=
is isn't described in any IETF documents. Maybe you</div><div>have a refer=
ence? Whether the carriers in general want that, I don't know.</div><div>B=
ut if they do want it, it would be a topic for the IETF, I think (in</div>=
<div>liason with BBF).</div><div><br></div><div><font color=3D"#ff0000">Ye=
s, there is no standard yet. We have a primary reference and have done som=
e field trial based on this reference for nearly 1 year, 3 vendors joined =
this work.</font></div><div><font color=3D"#ff0000"><br></font></div><div>=
<b><font color=3D"#ff0000"><br></font></b></div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;=
</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>My assumption is that current distributed BNG =
solutions depend on a</div><div>systematic algorithm for assigning prefix =
pools to BNGs, from a central</div><div>pool.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><d=
iv><font color=3D"#ff0000">That's the work we are doing now.</font></div><=
div><font color=3D"#ff0000"><br></font></div><div>With autonomic solutions=
, we are aiming at complete demand-driven</div><div>flexibility in assigni=
ng prefixes to edge routers. That process could be</div><div>the same for =
BNGs as for the devices in a Radio Access Network.</div><div><br></div><di=
v><font color=3D"#ff0000">&nbsp;IP address allocation in Radion Access Net=
work is different from what we decribed in CASM in the following aspects.<=
/font></div><div><font color=3D"#ff0000">1\ &nbsp;The resource managmement=
 in CASM is coordinated by a logical centralized server, instead of distrb=
uted,&nbsp;</font><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5; back=
ground-color: window;"><font color=3D"#ff0000">autonomic one. My understan=
ding is that centralized one will be helpful for carriers to master the ov=
erall resource usage. &nbsp;More imporantly, centralized one will be effec=
tive to move the resource from one place to another, as a respone to the c=
hange of resource usage.</font></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:=
 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5; background-color: window;"><font color=3D"#ff00=
00">2\ &nbsp;In the case of&nbsp;</font></span><span style=3D"color: rgb(2=
55, 0, 0); font-size: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5; background-color: window;"=
>BNG</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5; background-=
color: window;"><font color=3D"#ff0000">, CASM manage and allocate/realloc=
ate address pools for each BNG/vBNG, &nbsp;in the case of RAN, &nbsp;a</fo=
nt></span><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5; color: rgb(2=
55, 0, 0); background-color: window;">ddress configuration is for the inte=
rfaces of each network element in a distributed and autonomic way,</span><=
span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5; color: rgb(255, 0, 0); =
background-color: window;">&nbsp; They have different goals and different =
allocation algorithms as well.</span></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><=
div></div><div>&gt;&nbsp;</div><div>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The overall=
 procedure is as follows:</div><div>&gt;&gt;</div><div>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; o&nbsp; Operators will configure remaining address pools centrally=
 in the</div><div>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Address Poo=
l Management System (APMS).&nbsp; There are multiple address</div><div>&gt=
;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; pools which can be configured ce=
ntrally.&nbsp; The APMS server will</div><div>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; then divide the address pools into addressing unit (AU) w=
hich will</div><div>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; be alloca=
ted to the agent in devices by default.</div><div>&gt;&nbsp;</div><div>&gt=
; Certainly the NOC will configure initial address pools into a master age=
nt.</div><div>&gt; But from that moment, a distributed process can take ov=
er in which pools</div><div>&gt; (prefixes) will allocated to distributed =
agents on demand, with no need for default allocations.</div><div>&gt;</di=
v><div>&gt; Chongfeng:=E3=80=80 In the initial state, CASM Coordinator ass=
ign address pools to the Agent in the device. Then, In the process of runn=
ing, if the Agent's address pool resources have been used up, the Agent ne=
ed to apply more address blocks; In addition, when the address pool usage =
is too low, the Agent can release a part of the address blocks to CASM Coo=
rdinator.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Yes. That is exactly what will happen=
 in an autonomic solution, except</div><div>that all assigments will be dr=
ive by demand, with no central action</div><div>except to define the initi=
al central pool.</div><div><br></div><div><font color=3D"#ff0000">Same to =
the above, we think the address pools allocation/deallocation in the use c=
ase we mentioned should be centralized coordinated, intead of being decide=
d by each network element. &nbsp;Of course. "centralized" here means logic=
ally, not physically, when being implemented in real network, there can be=
 more than one phyiscal coordinators to guarantee the realiability of the =
whole system.</font></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&gt;&nbsp;</div><div>&gt;&=
gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; o&nbsp; If the lifetime of the address pool is going=
 to expire, the DA</div><div>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
should issue an AddressPoolRenew request to extend the</div><div>&gt;&gt;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; lifetime,including the IPv4, IPv6, Por=
ts, etc.</div><div>&gt;&nbsp;</div><div>&gt; A couple of questions on this=
.:</div><div>&gt;&nbsp;</div><div>&gt; 1. Why is the lifetime useful? Firs=
tly, once an address has been allocated to an end-user, it must be left th=
ere as long as necessary; you can't recover an address while it is in acti=
ve use. That will block the address pool that contains it indefinitely, so=
 what is the value of the lifetime? Secondly, if there is no lifetime, the=
 agent can release the address pool on demand if it is not in use. Again, =
there is no value in the lifetime that I can see.</div><div>&gt;</div><div=
>&gt; Chongfeng:=E3=80=80=E3=80=80For DHCP Server service, lifetime is an =
important parameter, it need specify Lifetime, for the DHCP server to assi=
gn addresses to the end user, control the available time, in addition, whe=
n the end user abnormal off-line, DHCP Server need to recycle the address =
by Lifetime expiration.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Yes, I understand that =
is necessary at the local level, but why is</div><div>it necessary to cons=
ider it as a parameter of an address pool</div><div>in the data model? It =
seems like a parameter of the individual</div><div>DHCP server, not a para=
meter of the address itself.</div><div><br></div><div><font color=3D"#ff00=
00">This is based on the assumption that the overall resource quatity is l=
imited, so the reource that has been allocated to any agent will be used w=
ithin a given time limit, and the coordinator reserve the right to revoke =
the resoure when the lifetime is over. Of course, the agent can apply for =
prolong the lifetime of the resource, but whether it is approved will be d=
ecided by the coordinator.&nbsp;</font></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&gt;&nb=
sp;</div><div>&gt; 2. Is it really useful to include the notion of ports i=
n an address pool? In the case of IPv6 it is definitely useless. In the ca=
se of</div><div>&gt; IPv4 with A+P (port-based address sharing, RFC6346), =
surely you never want to share a single address across different agents? T=
hat would lead to complex and fragile CASM operations at rather high frequ=
ency.</div><div>&gt; RFC6346 defines how A+P gateways may talk to each oth=
er (horizontally, not north-south) to share an address using A+P. You seem=
 to be duplicating that function. Also, RFC7768 seems to assume that port =
sharing occurs entirely within a single CGN. So it seems to me that it's w=
rong to include port ranges in the CASM model.</div><div>&gt;&nbsp;</div><=
div>&gt; (Note: I have no problem with 'port-range' being defined in the C=
ASM YANG model; that seems necessary for completeness. My problem is with =
using it in network-wide resource management, which doesn't seem reasonabl=
e.)</div><div>&gt;</div><div>&gt; Chongfeng:=E3=80=80As we know, the range=
 of ports is 1 to 65535, but during NAT use, only a portion is available f=
or use, such as 2048 to 65535. I agree with what you said "RFC7768 seems t=
o assume that port compromised by within a single CGN", Here it used in no=
rth-south, and used to set the range of ports that NAT can use. Usually, I=
Pv4 and port are used together.</div><div>&gt;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>=
OK, but that is not very clear in the draft.</div><div><font color=3D"#ff0=
000">We will revise this part based on your suggestions.</font></div><div>=
&nbsp;</div><div>Thanks</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Brian</div><div>&nbsp=
;</div><div>&gt;&gt; 5.1.1.1.&nbsp; Address pools</div><div>&gt; ...</div>=
<div>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; o&nbsp; IPv6 addresses</div><div>&gt;&nbsp=
;</div><div>&gt; I suggest dividing this into 'Globally routable' and 'ULA=
'</div><div>&gt;</div><div>&gt;&nbsp;</div><div>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 o&nbsp; MAC Addresses</div><div>&gt;&nbsp;</div><div>&gt; Can you explain=
 this? Where do layer 2 addresses fit in?</div><div>&gt;&nbsp;</div><div>&=
gt; ...</div><div>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Multicast address pool:</div><div>&=
gt;&nbsp;</div><div>&gt; This topic needs more discussion.</div><div>&gt;&=
nbsp;</div><div>&gt; Regards</div><div>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Brian</div><=
div>&gt;&nbsp;</div><div>&gt; ____________________________________________=
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v>&gt; https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/casm</div><div>&gt;</div></di=
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Hi Lichen,

Is there a winner for the time slot?

Regards,
Amreesh

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 5:37 AM, lichen.bri@chinatelecom.cn <
lichen.bri@chinatelecom.cn> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've make a doodle to set up an f2f side meeting to discuss the progress
> and next step plan for CASM during next week. Please choose your availabl=
e
> time, thanks!
>
> Here I created a link for your choice. Thanks.
> http://doodle.com/poll/hqwxgqhwzeuqc4sc
>
> Best Regards,
> Chen Li
>
> ------------------------------
> =E6=9D=8E  =E6=99=A8  Li Chen
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Lichen,<div><br></div><div>Is there a winner for the ti=
me slot?</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Amreesh</div></div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 13, 2017=
 at 5:37 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:lichen.bri@chinatelecom.cn">lichen.bri@china=
telecom.cn</a> <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lichen.bri@chinatele=
com.cn" target=3D"_blank">lichen.bri@chinatelecom.cn</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<=
br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left=
:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>
<div><span></span><div style=3D"font-family:&#39;Microsoft YaHei UI&#39;,Ta=
homa;line-height:normal">Hi all,</div><div style=3D"font-family:&#39;Micros=
oft YaHei UI&#39;,Tahoma;line-height:normal">=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"font=
-family:&#39;Microsoft YaHei UI&#39;,Tahoma;line-height:normal">I&#39;ve ma=
ke a doodle to set up an f2f side meeting to discuss the progress and next =
step plan for CASM during next week. Please choose your available time, tha=
nks!</div></div><div style=3D"font-family:&#39;Microsoft YaHei UI&#39;,Taho=
ma;line-height:normal"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:&#39;Microsoft Y=
aHei UI&#39;,Tahoma;line-height:normal">Here I created a link for your choi=
ce. Thanks.</div><div style=3D"font-family:&#39;Microsoft YaHei UI&#39;,Tah=
oma;line-height:normal"><a href=3D"http://doodle.com/poll/hqwxgqhwzeuqc4sc"=
 style=3D"text-decoration:none!important" target=3D"_blank">http://doodle.c=
om/poll/<wbr>hqwxgqhwzeuqc4sc</a></div><div style=3D"font-family:&#39;Micro=
soft YaHei UI&#39;,Tahoma;line-height:normal"><br></div><div style=3D"font-=
family:&#39;Microsoft YaHei UI&#39;,Tahoma;line-height:normal">Best Regards=
,</div><div style=3D"font-family:&#39;Microsoft YaHei UI&#39;,Tahoma;line-h=
eight:normal">Chen Li</div>
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On 16 Jul 2017, at 16:24, lichen.bri@chinatelecom.cn wrote:

> Hi all ,
>  Thank you for your choice in the doodle. According to the  available 
> time of everybody , we  choose 8:30 AM-9:30 AM on Tuesday (Jul 18) to 
> have CASM
> F2F meeting.  Please attend the meeting. thanks。

Location?

Marc.

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<DIV>Hi all ,</DIV>
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