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As agreed with some of you in Orlando, I would like to encourage you to sen=
d your comments on the current Coman draft to the Coman maillist.

We especially need your feedback and comments on the requirements section:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ersue-constrained-mgmt-03#section-4

Thank you.

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> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ersue-constrained-mgmt-03
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Hi,

After reading draft-ersue-constrained-mgmt-03 there are a few
questions that came up in my mind. There also some general editorial
things I would like to point out, and as such, I will break up the
email into two sections for readability.

1. Questions Regarding draft-ersue-constrained-mgmt-03

a. From reading the document, it is not completely clear whether
   end-to-end IP connectivity is assumed in all cases? Or is it
   possible that the gateways in between act as translators for
   different protocols? In general there seems to be an implied
   understanding that end-to-end IP connectivity exists, but it might
   be useful to make this clear in the document.

b. Section 1.3 focuses on the class of networks that are within the
   scope of this document but the terminology defined here (CN0, CN1,
   etc.) is not used elsewhere in the document. Since it is not used
   in the document, is it still relevant? Maybe it is better to just
   remove this from the document?

c. It might be best to check all the terminology against the LWIG
   document once since things could have changed there and to make
   sure that all the terminologies are still relevant.

d. Section 2 makes a claim that "the current management protocols seem
   to be too heavyweight compared to the capabilities the constrained
   devices". It would seem that at least SNMPv1 performs decently
   within the resource constraints of the environment.

   As such, either this needs a reference to solidify this position or
   needs to be expanded in order to make it clear that this not
   necessarily a resource usage issue but more of an issue related to
   the fact that the IoT protocol stack (e.g. CoAP) is what should
   be/people like to reuse in this environment for management and
   application.

e. The Industrial Application examples provided in Section 3.3 may not
   be the best ones. Things like centralized control of energy, HVAC,
   lighting and access control can also be categorized under Home
   Automation, Building Automation or Energy Management. On the other
   hand use cases like manufacturing, assembly lines and etc. do fit
   well within this section. It would seem that this section needs
   some examples to be changed and improved.

f. Currently there is a big intersect between the Industrial
   Application, Home Automation and Building Automation use cases. The
   examples and text in these sections needs to be clarified in order
   to make sure that the differences between these closely related use
   cases is clear to the reader.

g. In Section 3.5 it is stated that "Contrary to home automation in
   building management all devices are known to a set of commissioning
   tools and a data storage...".

   I suggest changing the language a little bit to say that this is
   expected, rather than always being the ground truth. While normally
   assets might be tightly managed in such an environment, it may not
   necessarily be so. Maybe writing, "Contrary to home automation in
   building management all devices are expected to be managed assets,
   and as such, known to a set of commissioning tools and a data
   storage...".

h. The whole use case of Mobile Applications in Section 3.10 seems to
   be not really a use case, but rather special cases related to
   access technologies. All the issues discussed here seem to be use
   case issues that should be part of other use case sections. It
   might be better to merge this section into the previous sections.

i. Section 3.12, MANET Concept of Operations (CONOPS) in Military, is
   considerably more detailed than any of the other use case
   sections. Furthermore, it would likely make more sense to shift the
   focus of this use case from MANET and CONOPS to purely military
   applications, since the use case here is not specifically MANETs,
   but rather the special conditions that come with military
   operations. Also, in light of increased international military unit
   cooperation it makes even more sense to have a section focusing
   specifically on military applications since in these scenarios it
   is quite likely that multiple different standards, best practices
   and implementation approaches may conflict/contradict, thereby
   needing special management of such networks.

j. It is stated in Section 4 that the document does not recommend the
   realization of a profile of requirements. What does "profile of
   requirements" refer to? This is quite unclear because a list of
   requirements, that seem to be a profile, is present in the document
   as well.

k. From reading the document it is quite unclear what Functional
   Requirement, Non-Functional Requirement and Design Constraint
   exactly mean. For example, Requirement 4.1.004 is marked as
   non-functional, however, it could be argued that due to the
   resource constraints on devices, minimizing state maintained on
   them should be a functional requirement, or even a design
   constraint since it is forced by the platform. An explicit
   clarification between these requirement types in the document would
   be useful.

l. After reading Requirement 4.3.001, I have the feeling that using
   Mandatory and Optional as priorities is likely not
   appropriate. Making something mandatory makes it an absolute
   requirement, and in case of constrained devices making
   self-configuration mandatory for C0 and C1 devices might be
   overkill. As such, I propose that the terminology for priorities be
   changed to using "High, Medium and Low" since that more accurately
   represents the importance of implementing a requirement.

m. Requirement 4.10.002, regarding reliable unicast transport has a
   title that is a bit ambiguous. Just by reading the title an
   impression is had that the requirement might apply to the transport
   protocol, which would make CoAP, for example, not usable. However,
   reading the description provides a bit of inferred clarity that
   reliability applies to the message transport, and not the transport
   protocol. As such, I suggest replacing the title with the current
   description, which is quite short; it would then make sense to have
   a more precise and clearly worded description, which would not lead
   to this ambiguity or misinterpretation.

2. Editorial Issues

a. In Section 1.6, the statement, "Faults in network operation
   including hardware and software errors, failures detected by the
   transport protocol and other self-monitoring mechanisms can be used
   to provide fault tolerance.", is unclear. This needs to be reworded
   to clearly explain the goal.

b. In Section 2, the paragraph starting with, "The terminology for the
   "Internet of Things" is still nascent, and...", is unclear and not
   easy to read. Specifically, the second sentence, "In this context,
   we need to differentiate between...", does not make sense and when
   taken in context of the first one, it is plain confusing.

c. The statement, "Hence, the management of a network with constrained
   devices might...", in Section 2 needs to be reworded as it is
   grammatically incorrect.

If I find more issues upon reading the document again, I shall post
them to the mailing list as well.

Warm regards,
Anuj Sehgal

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Biggest Fake Conference in Computer Science


We are researchers from different parts of the world and conducted a study on  
the world’s biggest bogus computer science conference WORLDCOMP 
( http://sites.google.com/site/worlddump1 ) organized by Prof. Hamid Arabnia 
from University of Georgia, USA.


We submitted a fake paper to WORLDCOMP 2011 and again (the same paper 
with a modified title) to WORLDCOMP 2012. This paper had numerous 
fundamental mistakes. Sample statements from that paper include: 

(1). Binary logic is fuzzy logic and vice versa
(2). Pascal developed fuzzy logic
(3). Object oriented languages do not exhibit any polymorphism or inheritance
(4). TCP and IP are synonyms and are part of OSI model 
(5). Distributed systems deal with only one computer
(6). Laptop is an example for a super computer
(7). Operating system is an example for computer hardware


Also, our paper did not express any conceptual meaning.  However, it 
was accepted both the times without any modifications (and without 
any reviews) and we were invited to submit the final paper and a 
payment of $500+ fee to present the paper. We decided to use the 
fee for better purposes than making Prof. Hamid Arabnia (Chairman 
of WORLDCOMP) rich. After that, we received few reminders from 
WORLDCOMP to pay the fee but we never responded. 


We MUST say that you should look at the above website if you have any thoughts 
to submit a paper to WORLDCOMP.  DBLP and other indexing agencies have stopped 
indexing WORLDCOMP’s proceedings since 2011 due to its fakeness. See 
http://www.informatik.uni-trier.de/~ley/db/conf/icai/index.html for of one of the 
conferences of WORLDCOMP and notice that there is no listing after 2010. See Section 2 of
http://sites.google.com/site/dumpconf for comments from well-known researchers 
about WORLDCOMP. 


The status of your WORLDCOMP papers can be changed from scientific
to other (i.e., junk or non-technical) at any time. Better not to have a paper than 
having it in WORLDCOMP and spoil the resume and peace of mind forever!


Our study revealed that WORLDCOMP is a money making business, 
using University of Georgia mask, for Prof. Hamid Arabnia. He is throwing 
out a small chunk of that money (around 20 dollars per paper published 
in WORLDCOMP’s proceedings) to his puppet (Mr. Ashu Solo or A.M.G. Solo) 
who publicizes WORLDCOMP and also defends it at various forums, using 
fake/anonymous names. The puppet uses fake names and defames other conferences
to divert traffic to WORLDCOMP. He also makes anonymous phone calls and tries to 
threaten the critiques of WORLDCOMP (See Item 7 of Section 5 of above website). 
That is, the puppet does all his best to get a maximum number of papers published 
at WORLDCOMP to get more money into his (and Prof. Hamid Arabnia’s) pockets. 


Monte Carlo Resort (the venue of WORLDCOMP for more than 10 years, until 2012) has 
refused to provide the venue for WORLDCOMP’13 because of the fears of their image 
being tarnished due to WORLDCOMP’s fraudulent activities. That is why WORLDCOMP’13 
is taking place at a different resort. WORLDCOMP will not be held after 2013. 


The draft paper submission deadline is over but still there are no committee 
members, no reviewers, and there is no conference Chairman. The only contact 
details available on WORLDCOMP’s website is just an email address! 

Let us make a direct request to Prof. Hamid arabnia: publish all reviews for 
all the papers (after blocking identifiable details) since 2000 conference. Reveal 
the names and affiliations of all the reviewers (for each year) and how many 
papers each reviewer had reviewed on average. We also request him to look at 
the Open Challenge (Section 6) at https://sites.google.com/site/moneycomp1 


Sorry for posting to multiple lists. Spreading the word is the only way to stop 
this bogus conference. Please forward this message to other mailing lists and people. 


We are shocked with Prof. Hamid Arabnia and his puppet’s activities 
http://worldcomp-fake-bogus.blogspot.com   Search Google using the 
keyword worldcomp fake for additional links.

