From dave.mcdysan@verizon.com Sun Oct 17 09:29:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF17F3A6B8D for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 09:29:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.245 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.245 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.354, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3FMaGkVPJlxY for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 09:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tpamail4.verizon.com (tpamail4.verizon.com [192.76.82.161]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168E43A6971 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 09:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tpaintrmemf3.verizon.com (tpaintrmemf3.verizon.com [138.83.67.58]) by tpamail4.verizon.com (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id o9HGQ3DC012489; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 12:26:06 -0400 (EDT) X-AuditID: 8a53433a-b7b52ae00000085f-c9-4cbb24bf3f3b Received: from smtptpa4.verizon.com ( [138.83.71.177]) by tpaintrmemf3.verizon.com (EMF) with SMTP id 59.1B.02143.FB42BBC4; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 12:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FHDP1LUMXC7HB02.us.one.verizon.com (fhdp1lumxc7hb02.verizon.com [166.68.59.189]) by smtptpa4.verizon.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id o9HGUsik023611; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 12:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fhdp1lumxc7v11.us.one.verizon.com ([fe80::4c3d:3366:54ab:8118]) by FHDP1LUMXC7HB02.us.one.verizon.com ([2002:a644:3bbd::a644:3bbd]) with mapi; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 12:30:54 -0400 From: "Mcdysan, David E" To: "conex@ietf.org" , marcelo bagnulo braun , "nanditad@google.com" Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 12:30:46 -0400 Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-mcdysan-conex-other-usecases-00 Thread-Index: ActuGCaxW9rcYGnFRLmmBhX9DPAhLgAABKvQ Message-ID: <2464076D83FAED4D985BF2622111AAC40F3A33137F@FHDP1LUMXC7V11.us.one.verizon.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: [conex] FW: New Version Notification for draft-mcdysan-conex-other-usecases-00 X-BeenThere: conex@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Congestion Exposure working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 16:29:37 -0000 =20 Hi, I submitted the following -00 draft today for discussion on the list and am= requesting an agenda slot for the IETF 79 meeting. http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-mcdysan-conex-other-usecases-00.txt Thanks, Dave =20 -----Original Message----- From: IETF I-D Submission Tool [mailto:idsubmission@ietf.org]=20 Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 12:26 PM To: Mcdysan, David E Subject: New Version Notification for draft-mcdysan-conex-other-usecases-00= =20 A new version of I-D, draft-mcdysan-conex-other-usecases-00.txt has been su= ccessfully submitted by Dave McDysan and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-mcdysan-conex-other-usecases Revision: 00 Title: Proposed Additional Use Cases for Congestion Exposure Creation_date: 2010-10-17 WG ID: Independent Submission Number_of_pages: 7 Abstract: This draft proposes some use cases for inclusion in the conex Working group= charter's deliverable for an informational RFC covering use case descripti= on. These use cases are in addition to and/or complement those described in= [UseCases], and focus on forms of congestion exposure that involve resourc= es other than queues and timeframes other than real-time. = =20 The IETF Secretariat. From marcelo@it.uc3m.es Sun Oct 17 09:40:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D927C3A69A8 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 09:40:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.479 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.479 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.120, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 78wDVW6jj4va for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 09:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp03.uc3m.es (smtp03.uc3m.es [163.117.176.133]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4D63A6971 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 09:40:38 -0700 (PDT) X-uc3m-safe: yes Received: from marcelo-bagnulos-macbook-pro.local (149.31.18.95.dynamic.jazztel.es [95.18.31.149]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp03.uc3m.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 982978727DC for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 18:42:03 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4CBB275B.4020500@it.uc3m.es> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 18:42:03 +0200 From: marcelo bagnulo braun User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; es-ES; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: conex@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.0.0.3116-6.0.0.1038-17710.000 Subject: [conex] Agenda requests for IETF 79 meeting X-BeenThere: conex@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Congestion Exposure working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 16:40:40 -0000 If you want a slot, please let us know. Regards, marcelo From rbriscoe@jungle.bt.co.uk Mon Oct 18 17:47:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E443A6A6C for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:47:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.439 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.439 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.678, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_BOGUSMX=1.482, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8QiR9ZxnEQjn for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp3.smtp.bt.com (smtp3.smtp.bt.com [217.32.164.138]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD013A6A6A for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:47:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from i2kc06-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net ([193.113.197.70]) by smtp3.smtp.bt.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 19 Oct 2010 01:48:51 +0100 Received: from cbibipnt05.iuser.iroot.adidom.com ([147.149.196.177]) by i2kc06-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 19 Oct 2010 01:48:51 +0100 Received: From bagheera.jungle.bt.co.uk ([132.146.168.158]) by cbibipnt05.iuser.iroot.adidom.com (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a P0803.399); id 1287449329888; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 01:48:49 +0100 Received: from MUT.jungle.bt.co.uk ([10.73.192.21]) by bagheera.jungle.bt.co.uk (8.13.5/8.12.8) with ESMTP id o9J0mlBV032012; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 01:48:48 +0100 Message-Id: <201010190048.o9J0mlBV032012@bagheera.jungle.bt.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 01:48:50 +0100 To: marcelo bagnulo braun From: Bob Briscoe In-Reply-To: <4CBB275B.4020500@it.uc3m.es> References: <4CBB275B.4020500@it.uc3m.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 132.146.168.158 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2010 00:48:51.0197 (UTC) FILETIME=[65C46AD0:01CB6F27] Cc: conex@ietf.org Subject: Re: [conex] Agenda requests for IETF 79 meeting X-BeenThere: conex@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Congestion Exposure working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 00:47:30 -0000 Marcelo, Two requests for ConEx agenda slots below: 1/ Title: ConEx Concepts and Abstract Mechanism Background I-D: draft-mathis-conex-abstract-mech-00 Presenter: Bob Briscoe (co-author for Matt Mathis who won't be in Beijing) Duration: 10mins should be enough, but longer if you want debate. 2/ Title: Auditing ConEx signals: Handling inherent feedback delay. Background I-D: This talk accompanies #1, but goes deeper into one aspect that the w-g needs to debate and reach consensus on: how to allow for the min 1RTT delay between an actual congestion signal and a ConEx re-echo of that signal. Specifically for the function checking for cheating (we decided to call this the audit function). The talk will argue that the transport, not the network, should be responsible for allowing for this delay, which justifies an additional Credit codepoint (aka Green) in the wire protocol. Presenter: Bob Briscoe Duration: pref. 20mins if room Although there is a little text on this in our abstract-mech draft, the intention is to go beyond that with a more detailed presentation that draws on experiments we have done in BT on a proposed auditing implementation. Cheers Bob At 17:42 17/10/2010, marcelo bagnulo braun wrote: > If you want a slot, please let us know. > >Regards, marcelo > >_______________________________________________ >conex mailing list >conex@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/conex ________________________________________________________________ Bob Briscoe, BT Innovate & Design From toby@moncaster.com Tue Oct 19 03:01:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3705E3A6767 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 03:01:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.32 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.32 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.929, BAYES_20=-0.74, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s0UCrvAYlNmp for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 03:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51B13A6452 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 03:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from TobysHP (host86-141-36-44.range86-141.btcentralplus.com [86.141.36.44]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M7UWd-1OlPC72WQR-00wtwP; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 12:03:24 +0200 From: "Toby Moncaster" To: "'marcelo bagnulo braun'" , References: <4CBB275B.4020500@it.uc3m.es> In-Reply-To: <4CBB275B.4020500@it.uc3m.es> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:03:24 +0100 Message-ID: <000701cb6f74$de495b30$9adc1190$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: ActuGj9Gu0Txj4fpROWUGzNG2rbUrgBWkJVg Content-Language: en-gb X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:OHHqtndOfiZFwtDps3Ak/9ewWC0xTYjHhWbGcp2JGyK A4PyPfGS4vW+NJbd58LVbGeZhtPadNcdUUBDnM4BF1NuXkJU1N SNPQA7TQAflOX4dQ5+p3kISDz8FYACtdgmMH5dy/YmaFSg5Z5Q iUtpYcugUciJ5Rd3/cwHgHWxmk/jvAllG9nOuLVtLq6Wemwd0O frWreOtEDJeGDYSlyUqLI48MIchfr19GV5QzYrEnXE= Cc: "'Woundy, Richard'" Subject: Re: [conex] Agenda requests for IETF 79 meeting X-BeenThere: conex@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Congestion Exposure working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:01:59 -0000 Hi Marcelo, We're going to be releasing a new version of our draft before the cutr-off next Monday. So can we request a slot to present: draft-moncaster-conex-concepts-uses 15 min slot Rich Woundy as presenter. Toby > -----Original Message----- > From: conex-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:conex-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of marcelo bagnulo braun > Sent: 17 October 2010 17:42 > To: conex@ietf.org > Subject: [conex] Agenda requests for IETF 79 meeting > > If you want a slot, please let us know. > > Regards, marcelo > > _______________________________________________ > conex mailing list > conex@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/conex From ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com Thu Oct 21 03:19:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE74C3A6834 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 03:19:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.59 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.009, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dYXu-PEI8bwJ for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 03:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw10.se.ericsson.net (mailgw10.se.ericsson.net [193.180.251.61]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E763A680D for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 03:19:37 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3d-b7b28ae00000135b-02-4cc01417540f Received: from esessmw0197.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw10.se.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id E7.9F.04955.71410CC4; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 12:21:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSCMS0366.eemea.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.86]) by esessmw0197.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.115.87]) with mapi; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 12:21:11 +0200 From: Ingemar Johansson S To: "conex@ietf.org" Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 12:21:11 +0200 Thread-Topic: Reserved header bits in IPv6 Thread-Index: ActxCa7E+WAY14mVRQ6KzZHDA1FwCA== Message-ID: Accept-Language: sv-SE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: sv-SE, en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: [conex] Reserved header bits in IPv6 X-BeenThere: conex@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Congestion Exposure working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:19:38 -0000 Hi This document has some relevance to the ConEx work http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-krishnan-6man-header-reserved-bits-00.txt =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Abstract The IPv6 header does not contain any reserved bits for future expansion. This document sets aside 4 bits from the flow label field for future expansion. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D /Ingemar =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D INGEMAR JOHANSSON M.Sc.=20 Senior Research Engineer=20 Ericsson AB Multimedia Technologies Labratoriegr=E4nd 11 971 28, Lule=E5, Sweden Phone +46-1071 43042 SMS/MMS +46-73 078 3289 ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com www.ericsson.com=20 Visit http://labs.ericsson.com ! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D From fred@cisco.com Thu Oct 21 05:47:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF743A689F for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 05:47:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.426 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.426 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.173, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U6R3awrZcWZH for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 05:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com (rtp-iport-1.cisco.com [64.102.122.148]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2153A69B8 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 05:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: rtp-iport-1.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAOfSv0xAZnwM/2dsb2JhbAChVnGkCZwsAoVIBIpLgwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.58,217,1286150400"; d="scan'208";a="173133827" Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com ([64.102.124.12]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 Oct 2010 12:47:15 +0000 Received: from Freds-Computer.local (rtp-vpn4-695.cisco.com [10.82.210.183]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o9LCl8HA025951; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 12:47:10 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by Freds-Computer.local (PGP Universal service); Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:47:15 -0400 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by Freds-Computer.local on Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:47:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) From: Fred Baker In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:47:01 -0400 Message-Id: References: To: Ingemar Johansson S X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "conex@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [conex] Reserved header bits in IPv6 X-BeenThere: conex@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Congestion Exposure working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 12:47:57 -0000 Two comments: 1) as far as I'm concerned, the entire 20 bit flow label field is = "reserved bits". While there have been periodic discussions of how it = might be used, I don't see a lot of use of it. 2) unless 6man agrees, it's probably not a good idea to build on this = beyond making a good case for reserved bits. On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:21 AM, Ingemar Johansson S wrote: > Hi >=20 > This document has some relevance to the ConEx work > = http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-krishnan-6man-header-reserved-bits-00.txt >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Abstract >=20 > The IPv6 header does not contain any reserved bits for future > expansion. This document sets aside 4 bits from the flow label = field > for future expansion. >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > /Ingemar > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > INGEMAR JOHANSSON M.Sc.=20 > Senior Research Engineer=20 >=20 > Ericsson AB > Multimedia Technologies > Labratoriegr=E4nd 11 > 971 28, Lule=E5, Sweden > Phone +46-1071 43042 > SMS/MMS +46-73 078 3289 > ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com > www.ericsson.com=20 > Visit http://labs.ericsson.com ! > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > _______________________________________________ > conex mailing list > conex@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/conex From ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com Fri Oct 22 00:30:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03923A685B for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 00:30:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.617 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.617 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.982, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MYERK4Kx8EVQ for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 00:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw10.se.ericsson.net (mailgw10.se.ericsson.net [193.180.251.61]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC0FD3A6840 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 00:29:58 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3d-b7b28ae00000135b-12-4cc13dd63446 Received: from esessmw0191.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw10.se.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 90.94.04955.6DD31CC4; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 09:31:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSCMS0366.eemea.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.86]) by esessmw0191.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.115.84]) with mapi; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 09:31:34 +0200 From: Ingemar Johansson S To: Fred Baker Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 09:31:33 +0200 Thread-Topic: [conex] Reserved header bits in IPv6 Thread-Index: ActxHhs5WMKiMRd1SqK+4Z4KZ+hfhAAnNwQA Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: sv-SE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: sv-SE, en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: "conex@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [conex] Reserved header bits in IPv6 X-BeenThere: conex@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Congestion Exposure working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 07:30:00 -0000 Ok understand, perhaps it is then best to wait for the discussion in 6man firs= t. Regards Ingemar=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Baker [mailto:fred@cisco.com]=20 > Sent: den 21 oktober 2010 14:47 > To: Ingemar Johansson S > Cc: conex@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [conex] Reserved header bits in IPv6 >=20 > Two comments: >=20 > 1) as far as I'm concerned, the entire 20 bit flow label=20 > field is "reserved bits". While there have been periodic=20 > discussions of how it might be used, I don't see a lot of use of it. > 2) unless 6man agrees, it's probably not a good idea to build=20 > on this beyond making a good case for reserved bits. >=20 > On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:21 AM, Ingemar Johansson S wrote: >=20 > > Hi > >=20 > > This document has some relevance to the ConEx work=20 > >=20 > http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-krishnan-6man-header-reserved-bits-00.t > > xt > >=20 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Abstract > >=20 > > The IPv6 header does not contain any reserved bits for future > > expansion. This document sets aside 4 bits from the flow=20 > label field > > for future expansion. > >=20 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >=20 > > /Ingemar > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > INGEMAR JOHANSSON M.Sc.=20 > > Senior Research Engineer > >=20 > > Ericsson AB > > Multimedia Technologies > > Labratoriegr=E4nd 11 > > 971 28, Lule=E5, Sweden > > Phone +46-1071 43042 > > SMS/MMS +46-73 078 3289 > > ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com > > www.ericsson.com > > Visit http://labs.ericsson.com ! > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > _______________________________________________ > > conex mailing list > > conex@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/conex >=20 > = From marcelo@it.uc3m.es Mon Oct 25 09:08:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0033A6A4E for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 09:08:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.474 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.474 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.125, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ywF56A24sXsj for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 09:08:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp03.uc3m.es (smtp03.uc3m.es [163.117.176.133]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE6233A6A85 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 09:08:26 -0700 (PDT) X-uc3m-safe: yes Received: from marcelo-bagnulos-macbook-pro-2.local (40.30.18.95.dynamic.jazztel.es [95.18.30.40]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp03.uc3m.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B7972DAE6 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 18:10:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4CC5ABE0.6030300@it.uc3m.es> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 18:10:08 +0200 From: marcelo bagnulo braun User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; es-ES; rv:1.9.2.11) Gecko/20101013 Thunderbird/3.1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: conex@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060106020901090501050903" Subject: [conex] Fwd: [Int-area] I-D Action:draft-ietf-intarea-router-alert-considerations-02.txt X-BeenThere: conex@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Congestion Exposure working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 16:08:46 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060106020901090501050903 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this may be relevant for our work.... -------- Mensaje original -------- Asunto: [Int-area] I-D Action:draft-ietf-intarea-router-alert-considerations-02.txt Fecha: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 09:00:05 -0700 (PDT) De: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Para: i-d-announce@ietf.org CC: int-area@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Internet Area Working Group Working Group of the IETF. Title : IP Router Alert Considerations and Usage Author(s) : F. Le Faucheur Filename : draft-ietf-intarea-router-alert-considerations-02.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2010-10-25 The IP Router Alert Option is an IP option that alerts transit routers to more closely examine the contents of an IP packet. RSVP, PGM, IGMP/MLD, MRD and GIST are some of the protocols that make use of the IP Router Alert option. This document discusses security aspects and usage guidelines around the use of the current IP Router Alert option. Specifically, it provides recommendation against using the Router Alert in the end-to-end open Internet as well as identify controlled environments where protocols depending on Router Alert can be used safely. It also provides recommendation about protection approaches for Service Providers. Finally it provides brief guidelines for Router Alert implementation on routers. 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U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; es-ES; rv:1.9.2.11) Gecko/20101013 Thunderbird/3.1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: conex@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.0.0.3116-6.0.0.1038-17726.000 Subject: [conex] draft conex meeting agenda X-BeenThere: conex@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Congestion Exposure working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 17:42:24 -0000 see http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/79/agenda/conex.txt let me know if we are missing something or you want changes regards, marcelo From toby@moncaster.com Mon Oct 25 13:09:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9033A6901 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:09:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.784 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.784 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.465, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T36f7EcUKjH8 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D203A682B for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:09:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from TobysHP (host86-141-38-229.range86-141.btcentralplus.com [86.141.38.229]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Mb5Ch-1OvI8m2KXD-00KX6d; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 22:10:51 +0200 From: "Toby Moncaster" To: Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 21:10:50 +0100 Message-ID: <002c01cb7480$b881eeb0$2985cc10$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: Act0fy5/g4MKa9oqSxKWq+bIqzLGxgAAAUzA Content-Language: en-gb X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:pgFFqsvMdsWDW+RPIzbD9v/2qU0Q0vpHv7h+18d2DS/ DO5MFpXYy93hkmsqrbxpHyk5A/Mz7I3QfPUeHBX+XnhYOUIkUi drb3NKCfNhGCCWL5mUDOVvJUJtBIsaNJWP4svmC8fKMwjSw6hh cOyrl7y2YEw9kYgkzMcdq8gQhQRTiim3VEWL4sD03v+NLIrQ/P 8ylus/ghutUgeLpEpQoJ45mazUcSGQsfq2pl+w0M+c= Cc: "'Woundy, Richard'" Subject: [conex] FW: New Version Notification for draft-moncaster-conex-concepts-uses-02 X-BeenThere: conex@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Congestion Exposure working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 20:09:12 -0000 Hi All, Here is an updated version of the ConEx Concepts and Use Cases draft. = The changes in this version mainly reflect the newly released -00 draft = of the Abstract ConEx Mechanism. We have also done a lot of work on the = definitions. I'm afraid we haven't had time to incorporate some of the suggested = changes to the actual use cases. I promise we will get on with those in = the next revision... Meanwhile since we now have a draft version of the mechanism draft and = are more sure of what goes in which draft, I think this is probably = ready for adoption by the working group.=20 TXT version: http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-moncaster-conex-concepts-uses-02.txt=20 HTML version: http://moncaster.com/conex/draft-moncaster-conex-concepts-uses-02.html Diffs: http://moncaster.com/conex/Diff-draft-moncaster-conex-concepts-uses-01--0= 2.html=20 Toby > -----Original Message----- > From: IETF I-D Submission Tool [mailto:idsubmission@ietf.org] > Sent: 25 October 2010 20:58 > To: toby@moncaster.com > Cc: bob.briscoe@bt.com; richard_woundy@cable.comcast.com; john@jlc.net > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-moncaster-conex-concepts- > uses-02 >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-moncaster-conex-concepts-uses-02.txt has > been successfully submitted by Toby Moncaster and posted to the IETF > repository. >=20 > Filename: draft-moncaster-conex-concepts-uses > Revision: 02 > Title: ConEx Concepts and Use Cases > Creation_date: 2010-10-25 > WG ID: Independent Submission > Number_of_pages: 26 >=20 > Abstract: > Internet Service Providers (operators) are facing problems where > localized congestion prevents full utilization of the path between > sender and receiver at today's "broadband" speeds. Operators desire > to control this congestion, which often appears to be caused by a > small number of users consuming a large amount of bandwidth. > Building out more capacity along all of the path to handle this > congestion can be expensive and may not result in improvements for > all users so network operators have sought other ways to manage > congestion. The current mechanisms all suffer from difficulty > measuring the congestion (as distinguished from the total traffic). >=20 > The ConEx Working Group is designing a mechanism to make congestion > along any path visible at the Internet Layer. This document > describes example cases where this mechanism would be useful. >=20 >=20 >=20 > The IETF Secretariat. From toby@moncaster.com Mon Oct 25 13:18:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A35283A6B18 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:18:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.939 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.939 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.310, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0zvXGftuGFH7 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.8]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E803A6AFD for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from TobysHP (host86-141-38-229.range86-141.btcentralplus.com [86.141.38.229]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MCMOD-1PIxzK054L-0098B5; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 22:20:23 +0200 From: "Toby Moncaster" To: "'Toby Moncaster'" , References: <002c01cb7480$b881eeb0$2985cc10$@com> In-Reply-To: <002c01cb7480$b881eeb0$2985cc10$@com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 21:20:21 +0100 Message-ID: <002e01cb7482$0d19b470$274d1d50$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: Act0fy5/g4MKa9oqSxKWq+bIqzLGxgAAAUzAAACrelA= Content-Language: en-gb X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:8xMoImt5p+kRKsb3TUi/Gs33Zzn8fz71fEwRXjm6AGy RGKRFR5IpC/yXWC5/W2LjZeBHcA12cewabrYAvYASQ2r24NzQY 1PynZtQB9O94o1XCb5Id2ZKihbbEZk9LY9KeE9G/Y9xq1c8iz5 FOfqqeEYWYeJlioiGlWKqCajbnEbQdg1xNAEipyjrI7ZRIYgLF lxQCLZiQ81TFGsN8MAgepQ9klZkb63CYu4d83ulxZE= Cc: "'Woundy, Richard'" Subject: Re: [conex] FW: New Version Notification for draft-moncaster-conex-concepts-uses-02 X-BeenThere: conex@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Congestion Exposure working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 20:18:41 -0000 Sorry folks, I have just noticed several spelling mistakes/typos :( Serves me right for leaving this so close to the deadline and trying to rush it! Toby > -----Original Message----- > From: conex-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:conex-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Toby Moncaster > Sent: 25 October 2010 21:11 > To: conex@ietf.org > Cc: 'Woundy, Richard' > Subject: [conex] FW: New Version Notification for draft-moncaster- > conex-concepts-uses-02 > > Hi All, > > Here is an updated version of the ConEx Concepts and Use Cases draft. > The changes in this version mainly reflect the newly released -00 draft > of the Abstract ConEx Mechanism. We have also done a lot of work on the > definitions. > > I'm afraid we haven't had time to incorporate some of the suggested > changes to the actual use cases. I promise we will get on with those in > the next revision... > > Meanwhile since we now have a draft version of the mechanism draft and > are more sure of what goes in which draft, I think this is probably > ready for adoption by the working group. > > TXT version: > http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-moncaster-conex-concepts-uses-02.txt > > HTML version: > http://moncaster.com/conex/draft-moncaster-conex-concepts-uses-02.html > > Diffs: > http://moncaster.com/conex/Diff-draft-moncaster-conex-concepts-uses-01- > -02.html > > Toby > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: IETF I-D Submission Tool [mailto:idsubmission@ietf.org] > > Sent: 25 October 2010 20:58 > > To: toby@moncaster.com > > Cc: bob.briscoe@bt.com; richard_woundy@cable.comcast.com; > john@jlc.net > > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-moncaster-conex-concepts- > > uses-02 > > > > > > A new version of I-D, draft-moncaster-conex-concepts-uses-02.txt has > > been successfully submitted by Toby Moncaster and posted to the IETF > > repository. > > > > Filename: draft-moncaster-conex-concepts-uses > > Revision: 02 > > Title: ConEx Concepts and Use Cases > > Creation_date: 2010-10-25 > > WG ID: Independent Submission > > Number_of_pages: 26 > > > > Abstract: > > Internet Service Providers (operators) are facing problems where > > localized congestion prevents full utilization of the path between > > sender and receiver at today's "broadband" speeds. Operators desire > > to control this congestion, which often appears to be caused by a > > small number of users consuming a large amount of bandwidth. > > Building out more capacity along all of the path to handle this > > congestion can be expensive and may not result in improvements for > > all users so network operators have sought other ways to manage > > congestion. The current mechanisms all suffer from difficulty > > measuring the congestion (as distinguished from the total traffic). > > > > The ConEx Working Group is designing a mechanism to make congestion > > along any path visible at the Internet Layer. This document > > describes example cases where this mechanism would be useful. > > > > > > > > The IETF Secretariat. > > > _______________________________________________ > conex mailing list > conex@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/conex From rbriscoe@jungle.bt.co.uk Mon Oct 25 15:03:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C637B3A6887 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:03:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.462 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.462 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.655, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_BOGUSMX=1.482, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GJ+w2Gx3k8Dz for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.smtp.bt.com (smtp1.smtp.bt.com [217.32.164.137]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D463A68A2 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from i2kc06-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net ([193.113.197.70]) by smtp1.smtp.bt.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 25 Oct 2010 23:04:44 +0100 Received: from cbibipnt05.iuser.iroot.adidom.com ([147.149.196.177]) by i2kc06-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 25 Oct 2010 23:04:44 +0100 Received: From bagheera.jungle.bt.co.uk ([132.146.168.158]) by cbibipnt05.iuser.iroot.adidom.com (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a P0803.399); id 1288044283417; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 23:04:43 +0100 Received: from MUT.jungle.bt.co.uk ([10.73.176.42]) by bagheera.jungle.bt.co.uk (8.13.5/8.12.8) with ESMTP id o9PM4fCY002470 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 23:04:42 +0100 Message-Id: <201010252204.o9PM4fCY002470@bagheera.jungle.bt.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 23:04:43 +0100 To: ConEx IETF list From: Bob Briscoe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 132.146.168.158 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2010 22:04:44.0086 (UTC) FILETIME=[A152C560:01CB7490] Subject: [conex] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-briscoe-tsvwg-re-ecn-tcp-09 X-BeenThere: conex@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Congestion Exposure working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 22:03:20 -0000 ConEx folks, I have posted revisions of the old re-ECN drafts just to keep them live on the IETF servers for people referring to them. I've left them with their old tsvwg filenames so it's clear we have no intention to propose re-ECN as a solution for ConEx. draft-briscoe-tsvwg-re-ecn-tcp-08 -> 09 draft-briscoe-tsvwg-re-ecn-tcp-motivation-01 -> 02 Bob >From: IETF I-D Submission Tool >To: >CC: , , >Subject: New Version Notification for draft-briscoe-tsvwg-re-ecn-tcp-09 >Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:06:40 -0700 > > >A new version of I-D, draft-briscoe-tsvwg-re-ecn-tcp-09.txt has been >successfully submitted by Bob Briscoe and posted to the IETF repository. > >Filename: draft-briscoe-tsvwg-re-ecn-tcp >Revision: 09 >Title: Re-ECN: Adding Accountability for Causing Congestion to TCP/IP >Creation_date: 2010-10-25 >WG ID: Independent Submission >Number_of_pages: 50 > >Abstract: >This document introduces a new protocol for explicit congestion >notification (ECN), termed re-ECN, which can be deployed >incrementally around unmodified routers. The protocol works by >arranging an extended ECN field in each packet so that, as it crosses >any interface in an internetwork, it will carry a truthful prediction >of congestion on the remainder of its path. The purpose of this >document is to specify the re-ECN protocol at the IP layer and to >give guidelines on any consequent changes required to transport >protocols. It includes the changes required to TCP both as an >example and as a specification. It briefly gives examples of >mechanisms that can use the protocol to ensure data sources respond >correctly to congestion, but these are described more fully in a >companion document. > > > > >The IETF Secretariat. ________________________________________________________________ Bob Briscoe, BT Innovate & Design From marcelo@it.uc3m.es Mon Oct 25 23:07:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ADEC3A6839 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 23:07:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.481 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.481 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.118, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b0qzQABywdbQ for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 23:07:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp01.uc3m.es (smtp01.uc3m.es [163.117.176.131]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08C413A6819 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 23:07:00 -0700 (PDT) X-uc3m-safe: yes Received: from marcelo-bagnulos-macbook-pro-2.local (40.30.18.95.dynamic.jazztel.es [95.18.30.40]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp01.uc3m.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467DCB49565 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:08:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4CC6706D.9010206@it.uc3m.es> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:08:45 +0200 From: marcelo bagnulo braun User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; es-ES; rv:1.9.2.11) Gecko/20101013 Thunderbird/3.1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: conex@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.0.0.3116-6.0.0.1038-17726.003 Subject: [conex] Preparation for IETF79 conex meeting X-BeenThere: conex@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Congestion Exposure working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 06:07:02 -0000 During the Conex meeting in IETF79, we will discuss the abstract mechanism and the use cases. If the feedback is good enough, we will ask for adoption of the documents presented. So please read the documents and comment in the ml and/or in the meeting. Be ready to state whether you think the documents we have serve as a good starting point for our deliverables. Regards, marcelo From marcelo@it.uc3m.es Thu Oct 28 00:27:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2509B3A6856 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 00:27:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.509 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.509 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.090, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id psLtA3vALkp7 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 00:27:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp02.uc3m.es (smtp02.uc3m.es [163.117.176.132]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7690C3A6842 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 00:27:30 -0700 (PDT) X-uc3m-safe: yes Received: from marcelo-bagnulos-macbook-pro-2.local (wlap005.it.uc3m.es [163.117.139.108]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp02.uc3m.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C08E7047F8 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 09:29:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4CC9264F.2080201@it.uc3m.es> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 09:29:19 +0200 From: marcelo bagnulo braun User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; es-ES; rv:1.9.2.11) Gecko/20101013 Thunderbird/3.1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: conex@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.0.0.3116-6.0.0.1038-17730.003 Subject: [conex] additional comment on the use cases drafts X-BeenThere: conex@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Congestion Exposure working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 07:27:32 -0000 Now, we stated that we are planning to ask for adoption of WG documents for the abstract mechanism and for the use cases.In the case of the use cases, the situation deserve more clarification. We have two documents: draft-moncaster-conex-concepts-uses and draft-mcdysan-conex-other-usecases-00.txt. draft-moncaster-conex-concepts-uses was discussed in the previous meeting and some changes were requested in order to call for adoption. The plan is to ask the WG if you feel that the changes have been made and the draft is in good shape to be the basis for our deliverable (i.e. we will ask for adoption of this document) draft-mcdysan-conex-other-usecases-00.txt otoh, is a new draft that presents additional use cases. The question that will be asked to the WG is whether you feel that the use cases covered in this draft should be covered and in the case that the answer is affirmative, we will proceed to integrate these new use cases to the other uses cases we already have. Comments? Regards, marcelo (on behalf of the co-chairs) From dave.mcdysan@verizon.com Thu Oct 28 06:02:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD473A69D2 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 06:02:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.274 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.274 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.325, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2yp+nAu9WHUg for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 06:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sacmail4.verizon.com (sacmail4.verizon.com [192.76.84.42]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1B13A69D0 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 06:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irvintrmemf3.verizon.com (irvintrmemf3.verizon.com [138.83.34.103]) by sacmail4.verizon.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.3) with ESMTP id o9SD3rwi029621; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 09:04:06 -0400 (EDT) X-AuditID: 8a532267-b7b77ae000001d07-02-4cc974bbc804 Received: from smtptpa4.verizon.com ( [138.83.71.177]) by irvintrmemf3.verizon.com (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 8F.71.07431.BB479CC4; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:03:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from FHDP1LUMXC7HB04.us.one.verizon.com (fhdp1lumxc7hb04.verizon.com [166.68.59.191]) by smtptpa4.verizon.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id o9SD3oiH027538; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 09:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fhdp1lumxc7v11.us.one.verizon.com ([fe80::4c3d:3366:54ab:8118]) by FHDP1LUMXC7HB04.us.one.verizon.com ([2002:a644:3bbf::a644:3bbf]) with mapi; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 09:03:52 -0400 From: "Mcdysan, David E" To: marcelo bagnulo braun , "conex@ietf.org" Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 09:03:16 -0400 Thread-Topic: [conex] additional comment on the use cases drafts Thread-Index: Act2cdwF6OmKU515QwOCnsoHiSNaNQALl2IA Message-ID: <2464076D83FAED4D985BF2622111AAC40F3A7D7270@FHDP1LUMXC7V11.us.one.verizon.com> References: <4CC9264F.2080201@it.uc3m.es> In-Reply-To: <4CC9264F.2080201@it.uc3m.es> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: Re: [conex] additional comment on the use cases drafts X-BeenThere: conex@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Congestion Exposure working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 13:02:31 -0000 Works for me. As stated in my draft, the intent was to be complementary to the moncaster = draft. Thanks, Dave=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: conex-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:conex-bounces@ietf.org]=20 > On Behalf Of marcelo bagnulo braun > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 3:29 AM > To: conex@ietf.org > Subject: [conex] additional comment on the use cases drafts >=20 > Now, we stated that we are planning to ask for adoption of WG=20 > documents for the abstract mechanism and for the use cases.In=20 > the case of the use cases, the situation deserve more=20 > clarification. We have two documents:=20 > draft-moncaster-conex-concepts-uses and=20 > draft-mcdysan-conex-other-usecases-00.txt. > draft-moncaster-conex-concepts-uses was discussed in the=20 > previous meeting and some changes were requested in order to=20 > call for adoption. > The plan is to ask the WG if you feel that the changes have=20 > been made and the draft is in good shape to be the basis for=20 > our deliverable (i.e.=20 > we will ask for adoption of this document)=20 > draft-mcdysan-conex-other-usecases-00.txt otoh, is a new=20 > draft that presents additional use cases. The question that=20 > will be asked to the WG is whether you feel that the use=20 > cases covered in this draft should be covered and in the case=20 > that the answer is affirmative, we will proceed to integrate=20 > these new use cases to the other uses cases we already have. >=20 > Comments? >=20 > Regards, marcelo (on behalf of the co-chairs) >=20 > _______________________________________________ > conex mailing list > conex@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/conex > = From toby@moncaster.com Fri Oct 29 01:15:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8273F3A6A2F for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 01:15:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.017 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.017 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.232, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y2v9HQYaBzwT for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 01:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.8]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 264203A686E for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 01:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from TobysHP (host86-141-38-229.range86-141.btcentralplus.com [86.141.38.229]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LhAEV-1OqUAR08db-00nuqU; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:17:13 +0200 From: "Toby Moncaster" To: "'Mcdysan, David E'" , "'marcelo bagnulo braun'" , References: <4CC9264F.2080201@it.uc3m.es> <2464076D83FAED4D985BF2622111AAC40F3A7D7270@FHDP1LUMXC7V11.us.one.verizon.com> In-Reply-To: <2464076D83FAED4D985BF2622111AAC40F3A7D7270@FHDP1LUMXC7V11.us.one.verizon.com> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 09:17:09 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01cb7741$afa09f30$0ee1dd90$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: Act2cdwF6OmKU515QwOCnsoHiSNaNQALl2IAAChLSgA= Content-Language: en-gb X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:NWSx3iZlfbTSobRT1u5O++/I22Sp8Thu9is1UGluUKE /SI9D3wq+Npc9JjgVI/rdQ27vqbWBreGDvV/YMJ8TV6y5ndjZn 0IkBRfrZ9Tu1GASo4xJjhLJ8yGihB8Y557WrMO+MkawAiC76Ku bOi1J3x1gcoEWUS6bmyhSadfVlYVBmoFgcPmBWT4c/Yxb6mJK0 UWpeLJLqJJdbu5QCxdfCzYV2Ia0faQx5A0qzjexmnI= Subject: Re: [conex] additional comment on the use cases drafts X-BeenThere: conex@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Congestion Exposure working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:15:21 -0000 Seems OK to me too. I'm perfectly happy to try and expand the number of use cases, at least to start with. Later on I imagine it will become clearer which use cases will really work... BTW Dave, I will send some comments on your draft by the start of the meeting... Toby > -----Original Message----- > From: conex-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:conex-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Mcdysan, David E > Sent: 28 October 2010 14:03 > To: marcelo bagnulo braun; conex@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [conex] additional comment on the use cases drafts > > Works for me. > > As stated in my draft, the intent was to be complementary to the > moncaster draft. > > Thanks, > > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: conex-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:conex-bounces@ietf.org] > > On Behalf Of marcelo bagnulo braun > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 3:29 AM > > To: conex@ietf.org > > Subject: [conex] additional comment on the use cases drafts > > > > Now, we stated that we are planning to ask for adoption of WG > > documents for the abstract mechanism and for the use cases.In > > the case of the use cases, the situation deserve more > > clarification. We have two documents: > > draft-moncaster-conex-concepts-uses and > > draft-mcdysan-conex-other-usecases-00.txt. > > draft-moncaster-conex-concepts-uses was discussed in the > > previous meeting and some changes were requested in order to > > call for adoption. > > The plan is to ask the WG if you feel that the changes have > > been made and the draft is in good shape to be the basis for > > our deliverable (i.e. > > we will ask for adoption of this document) > > draft-mcdysan-conex-other-usecases-00.txt otoh, is a new > > draft that presents additional use cases. The question that > > will be asked to the WG is whether you feel that the use > > cases covered in this draft should be covered and in the case > > that the answer is affirmative, we will proceed to integrate > > these new use cases to the other uses cases we already have. > > > > Comments? > > > > Regards, marcelo (on behalf of the co-chairs) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > conex mailing list > > conex@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/conex > > > _______________________________________________ > conex mailing list > conex@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/conex From mirja.kuehlewind@ikr.uni-stuttgart.de Fri Oct 29 03:11:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394F43A6869 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 03:11:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.371 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.371 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.578, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KngXhydUydBX for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 03:11:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailsrv.ikr.uni-stuttgart.de (mailsrv.ikr.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.170.2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E00BD3A68A2 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 03:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netsrv1.ikr.uni-stuttgart.de (netsrv1-c [10.11.12.12]) by mailsrv.ikr.uni-stuttgart.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E038E633B2; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:13:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from vpn-2-cl177 (vpn-2-cl177 [10.41.21.177]) by netsrv1.ikr.uni-stuttgart.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D384759A8A; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:13:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Mirja =?iso-8859-1?q?K=FChlewind?= To: conex@ietf.org Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:13:33 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 (enterprise35 0.20090731.1005176) References: <201010252204.o9PM4fCY002470@bagheera.jungle.bt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <201010252204.o9PM4fCY002470@bagheera.jungle.bt.co.uk> X-KMail-QuotePrefix: > MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201010291213.33125.mkuehle@ikr.uni-stuttgart.de> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [conex] comments on draft-mathis-conex-abstract-mech-00 X-BeenThere: conex@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Congestion Exposure working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:11:52 -0000 Hi Matt, Bob, you introduce a separate signal to send 'credits' but you don't really explain why this is needed. Can you give some hints about this? Is this needed for the dropper to ensure that the sender declares its congestion honestly or it this mostly helpful to get more accurate congestion information in the network? What are the security implication here? Thx, Mirja From ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com Fri Oct 29 12:19:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF8A3A6893 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:19:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.541 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.541 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.758, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2fzU2YVtvZL4 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw10.se.ericsson.net (mailgw10.se.ericsson.net [193.180.251.61]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5DF3A6950 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:19:20 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3d-b7b28ae00000135b-c5-4ccb1eaa62d2 Received: from esessmw0184.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw10.se.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id CB.40.04955.AAE1BCC4; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:21:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSCMS0366.eemea.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.86]) by esessmw0184.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.115.81]) with mapi; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:21:14 +0200 From: Ingemar Johansson S To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mirja_K=FChlewind?= , "conex@ietf.org" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:21:11 +0200 Thread-Topic: [conex] comments on draft-mathis-conex-abstract-mech-00 Thread-Index: Act3m8WtT9ntoRcLRcCh/2lqT+mhjQAAdmYw Message-ID: References: <201010252204.o9PM4fCY002470@bagheera.jungle.bt.co.uk> <201010291213.33125.mkuehle@ikr.uni-stuttgart.de> In-Reply-To: <201010291213.33125.mkuehle@ikr.uni-stuttgart.de> Accept-Language: sv-SE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: sv-SE, en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: Re: [conex] comments on draft-mathis-conex-abstract-mech-00 X-BeenThere: conex@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Congestion Exposure working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 19:19:22 -0000 Hi I agree with Mirja I would say that this is probably the most complex part in ConEx, I recall = that this was explained with some detail in the one of the "Re-ECN for TCP"= drafts (don't remember which), I did not fully get it then so I would real= ly welcome a thorough explanation of this. /Ingemar > -----Original Message----- > From: Mirja K=FChlewind [mailto:mirja.kuehlewind@ikr.uni-stuttgart.de]=20 > Sent: den 29 oktober 2010 12:14 > To: conex@ietf.org > Subject: [conex] comments on draft-mathis-conex-abstract-mech-00 >=20 > Hi Matt, Bob, >=20 > you introduce a separate signal to send 'credits' but you=20 > don't really explain why this is needed. Can you give some=20 > hints about this? >=20 > Is this needed for the dropper to ensure that the sender=20 > declares its congestion honestly or it this mostly helpful to=20 > get more accurate congestion information in the network? What=20 > are the security implication here? >=20 > Thx, > Mirja=20 >=20 > = From lars.eggert@nokia.com Sun Oct 31 22:58:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: conex@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC7B3A687A for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 22:58:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.577 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.577 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.022, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eelTlQ+P549X for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 22:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-sa02.nokia.com (mgw-sa02.nokia.com [147.243.1.48]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7FB83A6860 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 22:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]) by mgw-sa02.nokia.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id oA15w3F9023378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2010 07:58:03 +0200 From: Lars Eggert X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.4 at fit.nokia.com Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-83-1046229158; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 16:57:54 +1100 Message-Id: To: conex@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (mail.fit.nokia.com); Mon, 01 Nov 2010 07:57:56 +0200 (EET) X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: [conex] On Economic Heavy Hitters: Shapley Value Analysis of the 95th-Percentile Pricing X-BeenThere: conex@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Congestion Exposure working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 05:58:04 -0000 --Apple-Mail-83-1046229158 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Of potential interest to the WG: On Economic Heavy Hitters: Shapley Value Analysis of the 95th-Percentile = Pricing Rade Stanojevic (Telefonica Research) Nikolaos Laoutaris (Telefonica Research) Pablo Rodriguez (Telefonica Research) http://conferences.sigcomm.org/imc/2010/papers/p75.pdf Cost control for the Internet access providers (AP) influ- ences not = only the nominal speeds offered to the customers, but also other, more = controversial, policies related to traf- fic shaping and discrimination. = Given that the cost for the AP is determined by the peak-hour traffic = (e.g. through the 95th-percentile), the individual user contribution = towards the aggregate cost is not a linear function of its byte usage. = In this paper we propose a metric for evaluating the contri- bution each = individual user has on the peak demand, that is based on Shapley value, = a well known game-theoretic con- cept. 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