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(On behalf of the HTTP-CoAP I-D editors.)

During IETF Hawaii, Carsten suggested that we bring the media type mapping
problem [1] to the mailing list for a further round of comments.

Brief summary of the topic: we want to allow media type and content
formats to evolve freely at the two ends of the translation chain, without
the HTTP-CoAP proxy becoming the point where media type information is
lost in translation.

In particular, there are two (pretty orthogonal) sub-topics on which the
discussion can focus on, matching the two sides of the problem:

1) CoAP -> HTTP mapping

Proposal: define an open ended HTTP media type "application/x-coap-<n>" -
where n is the decimal representation of the corresponding CoAP content
format - to handle the mapping of CoAP content formats that are unknown to
the proxy, instead of falling back to the completely opaque
"application/octet-stream".


2) HTTP -> CoAP mapping

Proposal: define some some kind of automatic mechanism that would allow
the proxy to get the "freshest" mapping function automatically.

On the latter point, a possibility that Carsten mentioned was to extend an
experiment that Klaus is currently running that periodically scans the
IANA media type registry and assigns content format numbers to all media
types that are in that registry.  If we manage to define the interface to
retrieve the mapping function, then we could possibly ask IANA to generate
these numbers for us.  (Maybe Carsten wants to expand a bit on this.)

Note that if such interface is available, it can be used as the primary
method for handling the other side of the mapping as well, leaving the
"application/x-coap-<n>" option as a last resort.


We (HTTP-CoAP editors) had some initial discussion on this point, and the
feeling was that although the proposal is attractive, bundling it with the
HTTP-CoAP draft is likely to slow the latter down a lot.  We think it'd be
better to sketch the proposal in a separate I-D, and then let the
HTTP-CoAP I-D (informationally) reference it as one option for a dynamic
configuration of the media type mapping mechanism.


Comments welcome,
Cheers

[1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-http-mapping-05#section-6.3



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Dear CoRE WG,

A new version of our draft on CoAP Communication with Alternative 
Transports has just been made available.

Compared to the previous version, this draft firstly tunes the usage 
scenarios a little to reflect current activity in this area.

The usage of "coap+<transport>" and "coaps+<transport>" as URI schemes 
are elaborated with examples, as suggested in 
https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/core/current/msg05789.html

References are also updated.

Looking forward to hearing your opinions.

Regards,
Bill

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To: Bilhanan Silverajan <bilhanan.silverajan@tut.fi>, Teemu Savolainen 
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Name:		draft-silverajan-core-coap-alternative-transports
Revision:	07
Title:		CoAP Communication with Alternative Transports
Document date:	2014-12-17
Group:		Individual Submission
Pages:		19
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Abstract:
    CoAP has been standardised as an application level REST-based
    protocol.  A single CoAP message is typically encapsulated and
    transmitted using UDP or DTLS as transports.  These transports are
    optimal solutions for CoAP use in IP-based constrained environments
    and nodes.  However compelling motivation exists for understanding
    how CoAP can operate with other transports, such as the need for M2M
    communication using non-IP networks, improved transport level end-to-
    end reliability and security, NAT and firewall traversal issues, and
    mechanisms possibly incurring a lower overhead to CoAP/HTTP
    translation gateways.  This draft examines the requirements for
    conveying CoAP messages to end points over such alternative
    transports.  It also provides a new URI format for representing CoAP
    resources over alternative transports.

 



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I'm still waiting to hear from the document shepherd about this.  I
believe the current version has cleared all the DISCUSS points, but I
still need to be sure the non-blocking comments have been reasonably
addressed and that the shepherd is happy with it.  Are there still
updates pending?

Barry, Applications AD


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Constrained RESTful Environments Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Observing Resources in CoAP
        Author          : Klaus Hartke
	Filename        : draft-ietf-core-observe-16.txt
	Pages           : 34
	Date            : 2014-12-30

Abstract:
   The Constrained Application Protocol (CoAP) is a RESTful application
   protocol for constrained nodes and networks.  The state of a resource
   on a CoAP server can change over time.  This document specifies a
   simple protocol extension for CoAP that enables CoAP clients to
   "observe" resources, i.e., to retrieve a representation of a resource
   and keep this representation updated by the server over a period of
   time.  The protocol follows a best-effort approach for sending new
   representations to clients and provides eventual consistency between
   the state observed by each client and the actual resource state at
   the server.


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From: Klaus Hartke <hartke@tzi.org>
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Subject: Re: [core] What's the status of the "observe" doc after IESG Evaluation?
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Hi Barry,

> Are there still updates pending?

I have uploaded revision -16 which closes the last remaining issues.

Klaus