From nobody Tue Jul 2 03:27:19 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietf.org Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0D712006D; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 03:27:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: core@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: core@ietf.org Message-ID: <156206323796.23799.9606646542242412879@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 03:27:18 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [core] I-D Action: draft-ietf-core-resource-directory-22.txt X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 10:27:18 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Constrained RESTful Environments WG of the IETF. Title : CoRE Resource Directory Authors : Zach Shelby Michael Koster Carsten Bormann Peter van der Stok Christian Amsüss Filename : draft-ietf-core-resource-directory-22.txt Pages : 76 Date : 2019-07-02 Abstract: In many IoT applications, direct discovery of resources is not practical due to sleeping nodes, disperse networks, or networks where multicast traffic is inefficient. These problems can be solved by employing an entity called a Resource Directory (RD), which contains information about resources held on other servers, allowing lookups to be performed for those resources. The input to an RD is composed of links and the output is composed of links constructed from the information stored in the RD. This document specifies the web interfaces that a Resource Directory supports for web servers to discover the RD and to register, maintain, lookup and remove information on resources. Furthermore, new target attributes useful in conjunction with an RD are defined. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-core-resource-directory/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-resource-directory-22 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-core-resource-directory-22 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-core-resource-directory-22 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="G4iJoqBmSsgzjUCe" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <156206323796.23799.9606646542242412879@ietfa.amsl.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] I-D Action: draft-ietf-core-resource-directory-22.txt X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 10:32:25 -0000 --G4iJoqBmSsgzjUCe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hello CoRE, On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 03:27:18AM -0700, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > Filename : draft-ietf-core-resource-directory-22.txt > Date : 2019-07-02 this update contains bug fixes to issues found around the WGLC, and issues there would have been with the request of IP addresses from IANA: * Request a dedicated IPv4 address from IANA (rather than sharing with All CoAP nodes) * Fix erroneous examples * Editorial changes * Add figure numbers to examples * Update RD parameters table to reflect changes of earlier versions in the text * Typos and minor wording Best regards Christian --G4iJoqBmSsgzjUCe Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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Wed, 3 Jul 2019 01:39:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87B851202E3; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 01:39:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.110] (p548DC676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.198.118]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45dvDl2NLzzyTX; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 10:20:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 583834821.1630419-43cd4d155cf509da54f578df08c885de Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 10:20:23 +0200 To: Ace Wg , core , cose , cbor@ietf.org, t2trg@irtf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: [core] Constrained Node/Network Cluster @ IETF105: FINAL AGENDA X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2019 08:39:11 -0000 Here is my usual eclectic condensed agenda based on the FINAL AGENDA for IETF105. Remember that, even though this will now go to the printers, there is still some potential for changes. Conflicts that meet the eye: COSE/TEEP stays; ROLL/SUIT/DINRG and 6TISCH/ACE are maybe slightly less annoying. LAKE and LOOPS have been disentangled, thank you. I have put in some side meetings, but that picture may still change (and I don't understand the timezone logic of that system, so it may be all wrong). All times are EDT (Eastern Daylight Time) =3D=3D UTC -4 hours. (Pure UTC times at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda-utc are useful for those who want to listen from remote.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten FRIDAY, July 19, 2019 -- OMA/T2TRG Work Meeting - @ Ericsson Montreal Office (St-Laurent) SATURDAY/SUNDAY, July 20/21, 2019 -- Hackathon (including various interops) - Centre Ville SUNDAY, July 21, 2019 -- Sun 1700-1900 Welcome Reception - Place du Canada -- Sun 1800-2000 Hot RFC Lightning Talks - Viger MONDAY, July 22, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I Van Horne SEC acme Automated Certificate Management = Environment WG St-Catherine SEC *** teep Trusted Execution Environment = Provisioning WG Laurier TSV loops Local Optimizations on Path Segments BOF 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I St-Catherine INT *** 6lo IPv6 over Networks of = Resource-constrained Nodes WG Place du Canada SEC secdispatch Security Dispatch WG Van Horne TSV taps Transport Services WG 1550-1750 Afternoon Session II Laurier ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG St-Catherine OPS v6ops IPv6 Operations WG Van Horne SEC *** lake Lightweight Authenticated Key Exchange = BOF 1810-1910 Afternoon Session III Laurier ART dispatch Dispatch WG - Joint with ARTAREA TUESDAY, July 23, 2019 0830-0945 Side Meetings / Open Time C2 (21st Floor) IoT Onboarding and MUD (0900..1030?) Place du Canada IETF tdd Technology Deep Dive - How NICs Work = Today 1000-1200 Morning Session I St-Catherine ART *** cbor Concise Binary Object Representation = Maintenance and Extensions WG - 1000-1130 St-Catherine INT ipwave IP Wireless Access in Vehicular = Environments WG - 1130-1200 Notre Dame IRTF icnrg Information-Centric Networking Duluth OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model = and Approach WG Van Horne SEC cacao Collaborative Automated Course of Action = Operations for Cyber Security BOF Place du Canada TSV quic QUIC WG 1330-1500 Afternoon Session I Centre Ville OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model = and Approach WG 1520-1650 Afternoon Session II Duluth INT intarea Internet Area Working Group WG Place du Canada IRTF irtfopen IRTF Open Meeting Van Horne SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG Collier CoRAL side meeting (1500..1700?) 1710-1810 Afternoon Session III Duluth ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Laurier INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Place du Canada SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG WEDNESDAY, July 24, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I Van Horne IRTF*** dinrg Decentralized Internet Infrastructure St-Catherine RTG *** roll Routing Over Low power and Lossy = networks WG Viger SEC *** suit Software Updates for Internet of Things = WG Place du Canada TSV quic QUIC WG 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I Place du Canada GEN netrqmts IETF Meeting Network = Requirements BOF Laurier IRTF pearg Privacy Enhancements and Assessments = Research Group Viger IRTF*** t2trg Thing-to-Thing St-Catherine RTG bier Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG Centre Ville RTG detnet Deterministic Networking WG 1550-1650 Afternoon Session II St-Catherine RTG babel Babel routing protocol WG Centre Ville RTG detnet Deterministic Networking WG Van Horne SEC *** rats Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG THURSDAY, July 25, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I Duluth ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Place du Canada SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG Laurier TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I Duluth INT dnssd Extensions for Scalable DNS Service = Discovery WG Viger IRTF coinrg Computing in the Network Proposed = Research Group Laurier IRTF panrg Path Aware Networking RG Place du Canada SEC saag Security Area Open Meeting 1550-1720 Afternoon Session II Laurier ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG Duluth INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Place du Canada IRTF cfrg Crypto Forum Van Horne RTG rift Routing In Fat Trees WG St-Catherine SEC *** rats Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG Centre Ville TSV tsvarea Transport Area Open Meeting 1740-1910 Afternoon Session III Duluth INT *** 6tisch IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE = 802.15.4e WG Centre Ville SEC *** ace Authentication and Authorization for = Constrained Environments WG Place du Canada SEC mls Messaging Layer Security WG St-Catherine TSV rmcat RTP Media Congestion Avoidance = Techniques WG FRIDAY, July 26, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I Notre Dame ART ice Interactive Connectivity Establishment = WG Centre Ville INT *** lpwan IPv6 over Low Power Wide-Area Networks = WG Place du Canada IRTF maprg Measurement and Analysis for Protocols Laurier SEC mls Messaging Layer Security WG Duluth SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG 1220-1350 Afternoon Session I Van Horne SEC *** cose CBOR Object Signing and Encryption WG St-Catherine SEC *** teep Trusted Execution Environment = Provisioning WG Place du Canada TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG From nobody Wed Jul 3 02:08:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D6B120276; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 02:08:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, 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-0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: core@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: core@ietf.org Message-ID: <156216537110.14696.9018764047347065100@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2019 07:49:31 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [core] I-D Action: draft-ietf-core-hop-limit-04.txt X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2019 14:49:31 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Constrained RESTful Environments WG of the IETF. Title : Constrained Application Protocol (CoAP) Hop-Limit Option Authors : Mohamed Boucadair Tirumaleswar Reddy Jon Shallow Filename : draft-ietf-core-hop-limit-04.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2019-07-03 Abstract: The presence of Constrained Application Protocol (CoAP) proxies may lead to infinite forwarding loops, which is undesirable. To prevent and detect such loops, this document specifies the Hop-Limit CoAP option. 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Fri, 5 Jul 2019 01:08:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: core@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: core@ietf.org Message-ID: <156231413518.22022.2321280873213742879@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2019 01:08:55 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [core] I-D Action: draft-ietf-core-oscore-groupcomm-05.txt X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2019 08:08:55 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Constrained RESTful Environments WG of the IETF. Title : Group OSCORE - Secure Group Communication for CoAP Authors : Marco Tiloca Goeran Selander Francesca Palombini Jiye Park Filename : draft-ietf-core-oscore-groupcomm-05.txt Pages : 49 Date : 2019-07-05 Abstract: This document describes a mode for protecting group communication over the Constrained Application Protocol (CoAP). The proposed mode relies on Object Security for Constrained RESTful Environments (OSCORE) and the CBOR Object Signing and Encryption (COSE) format. In particular, it defines how OSCORE is used in a group communication setting, while fulfilling the same security requirements for group requests and responses. Source authentication of all messages exchanged within the group is provided by means of digital signatures produced by the sender and embedded in the protected CoAP messages. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-core-oscore-groupcomm/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-oscore-groupcomm-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-core-oscore-groupcomm-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-core-oscore-groupcomm-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Jul 5 07:35:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 977A6120046 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2019 07:35:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.821 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.821 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kz31jSxwT7yE for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2019 07:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com (out5-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F40FE12000F for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2019 07:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E5B21C82 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2019 10:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 05 Jul 2019 10:35:28 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=7cnjo3ymlpvkAFoR5eTQmnJ/jXQMtBwPQ1Ag6MVNv 5s=; b=Dpr411IpgX1hWeYhy0VVkppt0pOTIZ6PBk7eUoON+xXTqyzH+aasOY2kU LtGlwGM5Aq7XvXOr7tRlZaut2N6vZBMLjva9+BYKg2ZXmBlyx9fTDFuHzAcpJnaD hMtyhN9rxQeZBWaEVxEw+Vu95ka6da5U/+2Mk+S+bFfkWLGIRooOQCouv/byAPDG hJE8ZdAJZRbwvJtYrFjyxL4Wp4YiQ7opN4sJIeNAT6ET6DnwUd4D4ObsZrxgcFdQ 49nvVcobGl9jhlv/mmnbUqoWOZLVZJiBqm43WvDtWjL90zc0KWUPunxoLFdVeckx ohRvYmA8LYIjCwI9eiriqLPwtgUKQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddrfeeggdejlecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepfffhvffukfhfgggtugfgjggfsehtke ertddtredunecuhfhrohhmpeflrghimhgvucflihhmrohnvgiiuceojhgrihhmvgesihhk ihdrfhhiqeenucffohhmrghinhepihhrthhfrdhorhhgpdhrihhothdqohhsrdhorhhgne cukfhppeekjedruddttddrudeigedrfeeknecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehj rghimhgvsehikhhirdhfihenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Received: from EMB-918HFH01 (87-100-164-38.bb.dnainternet.fi [87.100.164.38]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E843F80061 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2019 10:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 17:35:16 +0300 From: =?utf-8?Q?Jaime=20Jim=C3=A9nez?= To: core@ietf.org Message-ID: <20190705143515.oxpzf65b2u4iekn6@EMB-918HFH01> References: <20190705074345.nbbsuxejxkj3gmkz@EMB-918HFH01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20190705074345.nbbsuxejxkj3gmkz@EMB-918HFH01> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 Archived-At: Subject: [core] RIOT Summit 2019: Call for Contributions X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2019 14:35:32 -0000 Dear CoRE, I forward this here since it is relevant for core wg participants too. Best Regards, -- Jaime Jiménez > On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 03:26:45PM +0200, Emmanuel Baccelli wrote: > > (I'm posting this here since several t2trg core participants have given > > talks at previous RIOT Summits.) > > > > ************************************************************************ > > > > CALL FOR CONTRIBUTIONS > > > > RIOT Summit 2019 > > > > September 5-6, 2019 > > Aalto Design Factory, Helsinki, Finland > > > > https://summit.riot-os.org/2019/ > > > > ************************************************************************ > > > > RIOT is an open source operating system for microcontroller-based IoT > > devices, > > https://riot-os.org/ . Initially developed by folks from academia, the > > RIOT community now consists of companies, makers and hobbyist, > > distributed all around the world. > > > > The RIOT community meets annually f2f at the RIOT Summit, > > which brings together RIOTers, beginners and experts, > > as well as people interested in the IoT in general and decision > > makers who plan to deploy RIOT in the future. The event combines > > plenary talks, hands-on tutorials, and demos. > > > > This year the RIOT Summit will take place at the Aalto Design Factory, > > Helsinki, Finland. The first speakers have been announced, > > including a keynote by Jari Arkko. > > More details are available at https://summit.riot-os.org/2019/ . > > > > The organizers of the RIOT Summit call for contributions that relates > > to RIOT and the Internet of Things. If you want to present a talk, > > a tutorial or a demo, please consider the Call for Contributions: > > > > * https://summit.riot-os.org/2019/call-for-contributions > > > > The following companies generously support the RIOT Summit 2019: > > Cisco, Ericsson, wolfSSL, Zühlke. > > > > Best regards, > > the organizers, on behalf of the RIOT community > > > > (with apologies for potential cross-posting) > > > _______________________________________________ > > T2TRG mailing list > > T2TRG@irtf.org > > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/t2trg > From nobody Sun Jul 7 05:11:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietf.org Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B130912014B; Sun, 7 Jul 2019 05:11:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: core@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: core@ietf.org Message-ID: <156250146869.14626.7908919060228391967@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2019 05:11:08 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [core] I-D Action: draft-ietf-core-rd-dns-sd-05.txt X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2019 12:11:09 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Constrained RESTful Environments WG of the IETF. Title : CoRE Resource Directory: DNS-SD mapping Authors : Peter van der Stok Michael Koster Christian Amsüss Filename : draft-ietf-core-rd-dns-sd-05.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2019-07-07 Abstract: Resource and service discovery are complementary. Resource discovery provides fine-grained detail about the content of a web server, while service discovery can provide a scalable method to locate servers in large networks. This document defines a method for mapping between CoRE Link Format attributes and DNS-Based Service Discovery records to facilitate the use of either method to locate RESTful service interfaces (APIs) in heterogeneous HTTP/CoAP environments. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-core-rd-dns-sd/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-rd-dns-sd-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-core-rd-dns-sd-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-core-rd-dns-sd-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Peter -------- Oorspronkelijke bericht -------- ONDERWERP: [core] I-D Action: draft-ietf-core-rd-dns-sd-05.txt DATUM: 2019-07-07 14:11 AFZENDER: internet-drafts@ietf.org ONTVANGER: KOPIE: core@ietf.org ANTWOORD-AAN: core@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Constrained RESTful Environments WG of the IETF. Title : CoRE Resource Directory: DNS-SD mapping Authors : Peter van der Stok Michael Koster Christian Amsüss Filename : draft-ietf-core-rd-dns-sd-05.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2019-07-07 Abstract: Resource and service discovery are complementary. Resource discovery provides fine-grained detail about the content of a web server, while service discovery can provide a scalable method to locate servers in large networks. This document defines a method for mapping between CoRE Link Format attributes and DNS-Based Service Discovery records to facilitate the use of either method to locate RESTful service interfaces (APIs) in heterogeneous HTTP/CoAP environments. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-core-rd-dns-sd/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-rd-dns-sd-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-core-rd-dns-sd-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-core-rd-dns-sd-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ core mailing list core@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/core --=_f700aebe2d95d2d0489c27c211c0d7d4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Dear Core,

The new version of rd-dns-sd is updated with export o= f RD to DNS for DNSSD discovery of RD.

Peter

-------- Oorspronkelijke bericht --------

Onderwerp: [core] I-D Action: draft-ietf-core-rd-dns-sd-05.txt
Datum: 2019-07-07 14:11
Afzender: internet-drafts@ietf.org
Ontvanger: <i-d-announce@ietf.org>
Kopie: core@ietf.org
Antwoord-aan: core@ietf.org

=
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts d= irectories.
This draft is a work item of the Constrained RESTful Envi= ronments WG of the IETF.

      &= nbsp; Title          &nbs= p;: CoRE Resource Directory: DNS-SD mapping
    &= nbsp;   Authors        &n= bsp;: Peter van der Stok
       &n= bsp;            = ;      Michael Koster
   = ;            &n= bsp;          Christian A= msüss
    Filename     &= nbsp;  : draft-ietf-core-rd-dns-sd-05.txt
   = ; Pages           : = 14
    Date       &= nbsp;    : 2019-07-07

Abstract:
&nbs= p;  Resource and service discovery are complementary.  Resou= rce discovery
   provides fine-grained detail about th= e content of a web server, while
   service discovery = can provide a scalable method to locate servers in
   = large networks.  This document defines a method for mapping between    CoRE Link Format attributes and DNS-Based Service Dis= covery records
   to facilitate the use of either meth= od to locate RESTful service
   interfaces (APIs) in h= eterogeneous HTTP/CoAP environments.


The IETF datatrack= er status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-core-rd-dns-sd/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-rd-dns-sd-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/d= oc/html/draft-ietf-core-rd-dns-sd-05

A diff from the previ= ous version is available at:
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Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time= of submission
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https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/core --=_f700aebe2d95d2d0489c27c211c0d7d4-- From nobody Sun Jul 7 21:07:47 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768081200F7; Sun, 7 Jul 2019 21:07:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5KOaeAwsK6lj; Sun, 7 Jul 2019 21:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A93E81200FA; Sun, 7 Jul 2019 21:07:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Jude (73.180.8.170) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.0.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4; Sun, 7 Jul 2019 21:07:38 -0700 From: Jim Schaad To: CC: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 21:07:36 -0700 Message-ID: <17bc01d53542$af0bfdd0$0d23f970$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AdU1PP7XubLCxVcXRXWqYEWM0UaFqA== Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [73.180.8.170] Archived-At: Subject: [core] Comments on draft-ietf-core-oscore-groupcomm-05 X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 04:07:47 -0000 This is not a full review, I did a fast look at the differences in between -04 and -05 and am commenting on these. 1. The addition of two optional parameters in the aad_array in section 3.1. In terms of have a deterministic string result this is considered bad practice as if only one of them is supplied, it could be confused with the other one. 2. Who is supposed to validate the parameters dealing with signatures? Is this the responsibility of the KDC or does each entity need to do this? Is there an optimization that can be applied so that all of these parameters don't need to be distributed with the rest of the public key fields at a later date? 3. I am not sure why RSA-OAEP in the tables, I have never heard of anybody using these as signature algorithms. 4. Why did you insert the OSCORE_options field into the aad_array before the options field? It would be cleaner to have it at the end to minimize the differences between the structures. 5. Just what is the type in section 9.2 for EdDSA? Jim From nobody Mon Jul 8 09:33:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietf.org Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3673120280; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 09:33:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: core@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: core@ietf.org Message-ID: <156260359976.815.9548187098769352590@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 09:33:19 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [core] I-D Action: draft-ietf-core-sid-07.txt X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 16:33:28 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Constrained RESTful Environments WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Schema Item iDentifier (SID) Authors : Michel Veillette Alexander Pelov Ivaylo Petrov Filename : draft-ietf-core-sid-07.txt Pages : 29 Date : 2019-07-08 Abstract: YANG Schema Item iDentifiers (SID) are globally unique 64-bit unsigned integers used to identify YANG items. This document defines the semantics, the registration, and assignment processes of SIDs. To enable the implementation of these processes, this document also defines a file format used to persist and publish assigned SIDs. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-core-sid/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-sid-07 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-core-sid-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-core-sid-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Jul 8 12:12:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietf.org Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C401201C9; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 12:12:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: core@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: core@ietf.org Message-ID: <156261315158.1047.13363558111340852870@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 12:12:31 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [core] I-D Action: draft-ietf-core-senml-etch-04.txt X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 19:12:32 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Constrained RESTful Environments WG of the IETF. Title : FETCH & PATCH with Sensor Measurement Lists (SenML) Authors : Ari Keranen Mojan Mohajer Filename : draft-ietf-core-senml-etch-04.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2019-07-08 Abstract: The Sensor Measurement Lists (SenML) media type and data model can be used to send collections of resources, such as batches of sensor data or configuration parameters. The CoAP iPATCH, PATCH, and FETCH methods enable accessing and updating parts of a resource or multiple resources with one request. This document defines new media types for the CoAP iPATCH, PATCH, and FETCH methods for resources represented with the SenML data model. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-core-senml-etch/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-senml-etch-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-core-senml-etch-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-core-senml-etch-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Jul 8 12:19:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C25512045E for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 12:18:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.197 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.197 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DUsW-lMaToTM for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 12:18:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 972321203F7 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 12:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from client-0220.vpn.uni-bremen.de (client-0220.vpn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.107.220]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45jFcF4hhLzylR; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 21:18:53 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 21:18:53 +0200 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 584306331.312314-70a19f51b29b2d14be3603feb8b550d2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <885BB026-DECB-48F3-8C17-F32E94C464D8@tzi.org> References: <9AD3C4BB-7965-4776-84C4-6B5BFDCAA262@tzi.org> <3E80442D-9EBF-4973-89E1-7B4A69F42754@tzi.org> To: core X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] =?utf-8?q?=F0=9F=94=94_WG_Last_Call_of_draft-ietf-core-se?= =?utf-8?q?nml-etch-03=2Etxt?= X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 19:18:58 -0000 After having had some more feedback and interaction, there is now a -04: Name: draft-ietf-core-senml-etch Revision: 04 Title: FETCH & PATCH with Sensor Measurement Lists (SenML) Document date: 2019-07-08 Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-core-senml-etch/ Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-senml-etch-04 Diff: = https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-core-senml-etch-04 I believe this addresses the WGLC comments. Unless there are additional = substantive comments, the chairs will request publication right after = Wednesday=E2=80=99s CoRE virtual interim meeting. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > On Jun 12, 2019, at 15:10, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > It seems we have received no (zero, nada) responses to this. > We do need a few voices from people who have read it. =20 > Please speak up if you did! >=20 > It=E2=80=99s a short document, so you can read it right now as well: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-senml-etch-03 >=20 > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Mar 11, 2019, at 23:40, Carsten Bormann wrote: >>=20 >> On Mar 6, 2019, at 00:40, Ari Ker=C3=A4nen = wrote: >>>=20 >>> If there are no further comments on these, I could merge the PR and=20= >>> submit a new version. >>=20 >> =E2=80=A6 which the authors did (see below). >>=20 >> This starts a working group last call for = draft-ietf-core-senml-etch-03.txt, >> ending on >>=20 >> 24:00 CET on Monday, March 25, 2019. >>=20 >> Please start a new email thread for each major issue that will need >> discussion and make sure the subject line includes the draft name and >> some sort of name for the issue. (Minor issues such as typos can = also >> be sent to the authors.) >>=20 >> If you read the draft and think it looks fine, please send a one line=20= >> email to the list or to the chairs letting us know that so we can get=20= >> a feel of how broad the review has been. >>=20 >> (To reviewers and authors:) If you are aware of any patent claims = that >> might apply to systems that implement these drafts, please review BCP = 78 >> and BCP 79 and make any appropriate IPR declaration before the = last-call >> ends. If you are not sure whether you need to make a declaration or = not,=20 >> please talk to the chairs and we will help. >>=20 >> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >>=20 >>>=20 >>> Cheers, >>> Ari >>>=20 >>> On 20/02/2019 17.00, Carsten Bormann wrote: >>>> In preparation for the impending working-group last call, I have >>>> reviewed draft-ietf-core-senml-etch-02.txt. Substantive comments = are >>>> below; a set of small editorial comments is going to the authors in >>>> parallel. >>>>=20 >>>> # Minor >>>>=20 >>>> 1. The text of the draft does not contain an argument that the >>>> application of Patch Packs is idempotent. It probably should. >>>>=20 >>>> 2. The text sometimes says "iPATCH" where it probably should be = saying >>>> "PATCH and iPATCH". This should be checked throughout. >>>>=20 >>>> 3. The term "resource" is sometimes used in lieu of "subset of = SenML >>>> records that, when resolved, match a given name". >>>>=20 >>>> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> core mailing list >>>> core@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/core >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 From nobody Mon Jul 8 13:13:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietf.org Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D721202AD; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 13:12:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: core@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: core@ietf.org Message-ID: <156261675495.1043.3732913358265986030@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 13:12:34 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [core] I-D Action: draft-ietf-core-dynlink-09.txt X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 20:12:43 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Constrained RESTful Environments WG of the IETF. Title : Dynamic Resource Linking for Constrained RESTful Environments Authors : Zach Shelby Michael Koster Christian Groves Jintao Zhu Bilhanan Silverajan Filename : draft-ietf-core-dynlink-09.txt Pages : 23 Date : 2019-07-08 Abstract: This specification defines Link Bindings, which provide dynamic linking of state updates between resources, either on an endpoint or between endpoints, for systems using CoAP (RFC7252). This specification also defines Conditional Notification Attributes that work with Link Bindings or with CoAP Observe (RFC7641). Editor note The git repository for the draft is found at https://github.com/core- wg/dynlink The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-core-dynlink/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-dynlink-09 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-core-dynlink-09 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-core-dynlink-09 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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[71.202.145.92]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q1sm23273317pfg.84.2019.07.08.13.41.35 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 08 Jul 2019 13:41:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Koster Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FD19D418-C536-4524-A8D0-6638D2B7BFB4" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Message-Id: <92FE42DF-31BF-49FA-A309-AFA1933BCF97@smartthings.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 13:41:34 -0700 To: core X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: [core] CoRE Pub/Sub proposal to resolve the one remaining major issue X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 20:41:49 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_FD19D418-C536-4524-A8D0-6638D2B7BFB4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, Klaus, Ari, and I created a proposal to resolve the "empty topic" issue = (and others) without using a new status code or multipart content = format. Rather than update the draft, which technically requires WG consensus, = we decided to publish the proposal and collect review comments between = now and Montreal: https://github.com/core-wg/pubsub/blob/master/proposal.txt = We will take time at the WISHI hackathon to further refine it, and = prepare a summary for the CoRE WG session. We would like implementers in particular to review the proposal. Best regards, Michael --Apple-Mail=_FD19D418-C536-4524-A8D0-6638D2B7BFB4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi,

Klaus, = Ari, and I created a proposal to resolve the "empty topic" issue (and = others) without using a new status code or multipart content = format.

Rather = than update the draft, which technically requires WG consensus, we = decided to publish the proposal and collect review comments between now = and Montreal:
https://github.com/core-wg/pubsub/blob/master/proposal.txt<= /div>

We will take = time at the WISHI hackathon to further refine it, and prepare a summary = for the CoRE WG session.

We would like implementers in particular to review the = proposal.

Best = regards,

Michael


= --Apple-Mail=_FD19D418-C536-4524-A8D0-6638D2B7BFB4-- From nobody Mon Jul 8 13:45:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietf.org Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 104F41202F8; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 13:44:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: core@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: core@ietf.org Message-ID: <156261869698.1035.10659466609746066166@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 13:44:57 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [core] I-D Action: draft-ietf-core-resource-directory-23.txt X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 20:45:07 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Constrained RESTful Environments WG of the IETF. Title : CoRE Resource Directory Authors : Zach Shelby Michael Koster Carsten Bormann Peter van der Stok Christian Amsüss Filename : draft-ietf-core-resource-directory-23.txt Pages : 76 Date : 2019-07-08 Abstract: In many IoT applications, direct discovery of resources is not practical due to sleeping nodes, disperse networks, or networks where multicast traffic is inefficient. These problems can be solved by employing an entity called a Resource Directory (RD), which contains information about resources held on other servers, allowing lookups to be performed for those resources. The input to an RD is composed of links and the output is composed of links constructed from the information stored in the RD. This document specifies the web interfaces that a Resource Directory supports for web servers to discover the RD and to register, maintain, lookup and remove information on resources. Furthermore, new target attributes useful in conjunction with an RD are defined. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-core-resource-directory/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-resource-directory-23 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-core-resource-directory-23 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-core-resource-directory-23 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Jul 8 15:31:03 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietf.org Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A854120281; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 15:30:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: core@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: core@ietf.org Message-ID: <156262504657.1043.11453667473896809763@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 15:30:46 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [core] I-D Action: draft-ietf-core-comi-06.txt X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 22:30:55 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Constrained RESTful Environments WG of the IETF. Title : CoAP Management Interface Authors : Michel Veillette Peter van der Stok Alexander Pelov Andy Bierman Ivaylo Petrov Filename : draft-ietf-core-comi-06.txt Pages : 50 Date : 2019-07-08 Abstract: This document describes a network management interface for constrained devices and networks, called CoAP Management Interface (CoMI). The Constrained Application Protocol (CoAP) is used to access datastore and data node resources specified in YANG, or SMIv2 converted to YANG. CoMI uses the YANG to CBOR mapping and converts YANG identifier strings to numeric identifiers for payload size reduction. The complete solution composed of CoMI, [I-D.ietf-core-yang-cbor] and [I-D.ietf-core-sid] is called CORECONF. CORECONF extends the set of YANG based protocols, NETCONF and RESTCONF, with the capability to manage constrained devices and networks. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-core-comi/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-comi-06 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-core-comi-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-core-comi-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Jul 8 19:51:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF2F1200B7 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 19:51:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Knh_8hL5bCSd for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 19:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5DFF12008B for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 19:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Jude (73.180.8.170) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.0.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 19:50:57 -0700 From: Jim Schaad To: 'Michael Koster' CC: 'core' References: <92FE42DF-31BF-49FA-A309-AFA1933BCF97@smartthings.com> In-Reply-To: <92FE42DF-31BF-49FA-A309-AFA1933BCF97@smartthings.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 19:50:56 -0700 Message-ID: <009301d53601$23259370$6970ba50$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQHAyqZRr7ggpAGaGf0p3w2i6qQHVabqZtFA Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [73.180.8.170] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] CoRE Pub/Sub proposal to resolve the one remaining major issue X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 02:51:06 -0000 I have a couple of clarifications that I would to get on this proposal: 1. It is not clear from the document, but I assume that the concept of topics as children of topics is still supported. Thus GET is a viable thing. 2. Are we completely dumping link format in favor of CoRAL at this point? This is not something that I would object to I just want to be clear. 3. The picture in the overview and the examples given do not present the same picture. I assume that there does not need to be any link between the path where the data exists and the path for the topic description. It could be a child, as in the picture in the overview, in a parallel tree with the same naming, as in the examples in the document, or it could have a completely different location - including a URL to a different RS. Is this right? Jim From: core On Behalf Of Michael Koster Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 1:42 PM To: core Subject: [core] CoRE Pub/Sub proposal to resolve the one remaining major issue Hi, Klaus, Ari, and I created a proposal to resolve the "empty topic" issue (and others) without using a new status code or multipart content format. Rather than update the draft, which technically requires WG consensus, we decided to publish the proposal and collect review comments between now and Montreal: https://github.com/core-wg/pubsub/blob/master/proposal.txt We will take time at the WISHI hackathon to further refine it, and prepare a summary for the CoRE WG session. We would like implementers in particular to review the proposal. 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[71.202.145.92]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n140sm20021998pfd.132.2019.07.08.20.03.28 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 08 Jul 2019 20:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Michael Koster In-Reply-To: <009301d53601$23259370$6970ba50$@augustcellars.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 20:03:27 -0700 Cc: core Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <18401305-0378-4BC2-B062-D5D3DA98B9C8@smartthings.com> References: <92FE42DF-31BF-49FA-A309-AFA1933BCF97@smartthings.com> <009301d53601$23259370$6970ba50$@augustcellars.com> To: Jim Schaad X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] CoRE Pub/Sub proposal to resolve the one remaining major issue X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 03:03:33 -0000 Hi Jim, Thanks for the quick review. > On Jul 8, 2019, at 7:50 PM, Jim Schaad wrote: >=20 > I have a couple of clarifications that I would to get on this = proposal: >=20 > 1. It is not clear from the document, but I assume that the concept = of > topics as children of topics is still supported. Thus GET > is a viable thing. >=20 We didn't work through this aspect in detail, but I would expect that = the entry point of the create operation could be any topic and would = result in a path as in your example. This is something we should work = through a little more perhaps at the WISHI Hackathon session. > 2. Are we completely dumping link format in favor of CoRAL at this = point? > This is not something that I would object to I just want to be clear. >=20 Yes, we seemed to run into limitations trying to use link-format when we = decided to use the control resource. Since the control resource needs a = content-format it seems like CoRAL would be suited. The choice seems to = be between a new response code (low appeal) and a common content-format = (somewhat less objectionable). We point out that a CBOR library would = already have most of the code for this and one wouldn't need an entire = CoRAL processor. > 3. The picture in the overview and the examples given do not present = the > same picture. I assume that there does not need to be any link = between the > path where the data exists and the path for the topic description. It = could > be a child, as in the picture in the overview, in a parallel tree with = the > same naming, as in the examples in the document, or it could have a > completely different location - including a URL to a different RS. Is = this > right? >=20 I agree, there shouldn't need to be any URL pattern dependence between = control resource and topic resource. It's an implementation question = because the server returns the location for all topics. We'll need to = flesh out topic discovery but it will be mostly the same. More food for = the Hackathon session. > Jim >=20 >=20 > From: core On Behalf Of Michael Koster > Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 1:42 PM > To: core > Subject: [core] CoRE Pub/Sub proposal to resolve the one remaining = major > issue >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Klaus, Ari, and I created a proposal to resolve the "empty topic" = issue (and > others) without using a new status code or multipart content format. >=20 > Rather than update the draft, which technically requires WG consensus, = we > decided to publish the proposal and collect review comments between = now and > Montreal: > https://github.com/core-wg/pubsub/blob/master/proposal.txt >=20 > We will take time at the WISHI hackathon to further refine it, and = prepare a > summary for the CoRE WG session. >=20 > We would like implementers in particular to review the proposal. >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Michael >=20 >=20 >=20 From nobody Mon Jul 8 22:28:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietf.org Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40443120311; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 22:28:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jaime Jimenez via Datatracker To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: jaime@iki.fi, jaime.jimenez@ericsson.com, core-chairs@ietf.org, iesg-secretary@ietf.org, core@ietf.org Message-ID: <156265012225.1047.9553393824106447469.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 22:28:42 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [core] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-core-resource-directory-23 X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 05:28:42 -0000 Jaime Jimenez has requested publication of draft-ietf-core-resource-directory-23 as Proposed Standard on behalf of the CORE working group. 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Ip=[194.218.146.197]; Helo=[mail.ri.se] X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: HybridOnPrem X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM5P18901MB0050 Archived-At: Subject: [core] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-tiloca-core-oscore-discovery-03.txt X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 08:19:15 -0000 --8U8ZsXy861fSlbVLu2y6ozjpUBS2comCK Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="KrHOCRjofW38fm5j1NaLPkgnDjTnLeVBK"; protected-headers="v1" From: Marco Tiloca To: "core@ietf.org WG (core@ietf.org)" Message-ID: <775e161e-45f4-dca1-a527-596642e24387@ri.se> Subject: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-tiloca-core-oscore-discovery-03.txt References: <156235920616.22022.8365406667399740647.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <156235920616.22022.8365406667399740647.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> --KrHOCRjofW38fm5j1NaLPkgnDjTnLeVBK Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------7749E26494AEDCE82EF58A33" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7749E26494AEDCE82EF58A33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello CoRE, We have recently submitted an updated version of draft-tiloca-core-oscore-discovery https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tiloca-core-oscore-discovery-03 The document describes how to use the CoRE Resource Directory for discovering OSCORE groups and retrieving information to join them through their Group Manager. This update is mostly about: 1) A full step-by-step example using this approach and aligned with practical installation procedures in group communication scenarios (see Section 6). 2) Additional link target attributes for registered join resources, also related to new parameters recently defined in ACE [1][2] concerning the encoding of public keys, countersignature algorithms and associated parameters used in the OSCORE group. Comments are very welcome! Best, /Marco [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ace-key-groupcomm-oscore-02 [2] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ace-key-groupcomm-02 -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-tiloca-core-oscore-discovery-03.txt Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 13:40:06 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Christian Amsuess , Marco Tiloca , Peter van der Stok A new version of I-D, draft-tiloca-core-oscore-discovery-03.txt has been successfully submitted by Marco Tiloca and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-tiloca-core-oscore-discovery Revision: 03 Title: Discovery of OSCORE Groups with the CoRE Resource Directory Document date: 2019-07-05 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 20 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-tiloca-core-oscore-discovery-0= 3.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tiloca-core-oscore-discove= ry/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tiloca-core-oscore-discovery-= 03 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-tiloca-core-oscore-discovery Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-tiloca-core-oscore-discovery-03= Abstract: Group communication over the Constrained Application Protocol (CoAP) can be secured by means of Object Security for Constrained RESTful Environments (OSCORE). At deployment time, devices may not know the exact OSCORE groups to join, the respective Group Manager, or other information required to perform the joining process. This document describes how a CoAP endpoint can use the CoRE Resource Directory to discover OSCORE groups and acquire information to join them through the respective Group Manager. A given OSCORE group may protect multiple application groups, which are separately announced in the Resource Directory as sets of endpoints sharing a pool of resources. This approach is consistent with, but not limited to, the joining of OSCORE groups based on the ACE framework for Authentication and Authorization in constrained environments. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat --------------7749E26494AEDCE82EF58A33 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello CoRE,

We have recently submitted an updated version of draft-tiloca-core-oscore-discovery

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draf= t-tiloca-core-oscore-discovery-03

The document describes how to use the CoRE Resource Directory for discovering OSCORE groups and retrieving information to join them through their Group Manager.

This update is mostly about:

1) A full step-by-step example using this approach and aligned with practical installation procedures in group communication scenarios (see Section 6).

2) Additional link target attributes for registered join resources, also related to new parameters recently defined in ACE [1][2] concerning the encoding of public keys, countersignature algorithms and associated parameters used in the OSCORE group.

Comments are very welcome!

Best,
/Marco

[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/dra= ft-ietf-ace-key-groupcomm-oscore-02
[2] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ie= tf-ace-key-groupcomm-02


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To:= Christian Amsuess <christian@amsuess.com>, Marc= o Tiloca <marco.tiloca@ri.se>, Peter van der Stok <consultancy@vanderstok.org>



A new version of I-D, draft-tiloca-core-oscore-discovery-03.txt
= has been successfully submitted by Marco Tiloca and posted to the IETF repository.

Name: draft-tiloca-core-oscore-discovery
Revision: 03
Title: Discovery of OSCORE Groups with the CoRE Resource Directory<= br> Document date: 2019-07-05
Group: Individual Submission
Pages: 20
URL: https://www.ietf.org/in= ternet-drafts/draft-tiloca-core-oscore-discovery-03.txt
Status: https://datatracker.ietf.= org/doc/draft-tiloca-core-oscore-discovery/
Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr= aft-tiloca-core-oscore-discovery-03
Htmlized: https://datatracker.i= etf.org/doc/html/draft-tiloca-core-oscore-discovery
Diff: https://www.ietf.org/r= fcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-tiloca-core-oscore-discovery-03

Abstract:
Group communication over the Constrained Application Protocol (CoAP)
can be secured by means of Object Security for Constrained RESTful<= br> Environments (OSCORE). At deployment time, devices may not know the
exact OSCORE groups to join, the respective Group Manager, or other
information required to perform the joining process. This document<= br> describes how a CoAP endpoint can use the CoRE Resource Directory to
discover OSCORE groups and acquire information to join them through
the respective Group Manager. A given OSCORE group may protect
multiple application groups, which are separately announced in the<= br> Resource Directory as sets of endpoints sharing a pool of resources.
This approach is consistent with, but not limited to, the joining of
OSCORE groups based on the ACE framework for Authentication and
= Authorization in constrained environments.



Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

The IETF Secretariat

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boundary="------------A1F69ED3E0B1753A618D3CC5" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A1F69ED3E0B1753A618D3CC5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello CoRE, We have recently submitted a new draft "Observe Notifications as CoAP Multicast Responses" https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tiloca-core-observe-multicast-notificat= ions The document describes how a CoAP server can send Observe notifications over multicast, by synchronizing the observers of a target resource to a same shared Token value. Also, it describes how Group OSCORE can be used to protect such notifications sent over multicast. This is especially relevant for, but not limited to, the "Pub-Sub and Multicast" use case, that was elaborated at the Hallway Discussion we had at IETF 104. In particular, "Proposal 4" in Slide 13 of [1] considers multicast notifications as CoAP Responses, used by the Broker for distributing topic updates to the Subscribers. Other than improving communication performance, this would also allow Subscribers to be only clients, unlike in the alternative discussed proposals. This new draft enables the proposal above, together with end-to-end security of multicast notifications from the Broker to the Subscribers. Comments are very welcome! Best, /Marco [1] https://github.com/EricssonResearch/coap-pubsub-profile/blob/master/Pubsu= b-multicast.pdf -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-tiloca-core-observe-multicast-notifications-00.txt Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 02:33:00 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Christian Amsuess , Marco Tiloca , Rikard Hoeglund , Francesca Palombini A new version of I-D, draft-tiloca-core-observe-multicast-notifications-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Marco Tiloca and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-tiloca-core-observe-multicast-notifications Revision: 00 Title: Observe Notifications as CoAP Multicast Responses Document date: 2019-07-06 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 18 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-tiloca-core-observe-multicast-= notifications-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tiloca-core-observe-multicast-noti= fications/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tiloca-core-observe-multicast-notificat= ions-00 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-tiloca-core-observe-multicast= -notifications Abstract: The Constrained Application Protocol (CoAP) allows clients to "observe" resources at a server, and receive notifications as unicast responses upon changes of the resource state. In some use cases, such as based on publish-subscribe, it would be convenient for the server to send a single notification to all the clients observing a same target resource. This document defines how a CoAP server sends observe notifications as response messages over multicast, by synchronizing all the observers of a same resource on a same shared Token value. Besides, this document defines how Group OSCORE can be used to protect multicast notifications end-to-end from the CoAP server to the multiple CoAP clients registered as observers. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat --------------A1F69ED3E0B1753A618D3CC5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello CoRE,

We have recently submitted a new draft "Observe Notifications as CoAP Multicast Responses"

https://tools.ietf.org/h= tml/draft-tiloca-core-observe-multicast-notifications

The document describes how a CoAP server can send Observe notifications over multicast, by synchronizing the observers of a target resource to a same shared Token value. Also, it describes how Group OSCORE can be used to protect such notifications sent over multicast.


This is especially relevant for, but not limited to, the "Pub-Sub and Multicast" use case, that was elaborated at the Hallway Discussion we had at IETF 104.

In particular, "Proposal 4" in Slide 13 of [1] considers multicast notifications as CoAP Responses, used by the Broker for distributing topic updates to the Subscribers. Other than improving communication performance, this would also allow Subscribers to be only clients, unlike in the alternative discussed proposals.

This new draft enables the proposal above, together with end-to-end security of multicast notifications from the Broker to the Subscribers.


Comments are very welcome!

Best,
/Marco

[1] https://githu= b.com/EricssonResearch/coap-pubsub-profile/blob/master/Pubsub-multicast.p= df


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Name: draft-tiloca-core-observe-multicast-notifications
Revision: 00
Title: Observe Notifications as CoAP Multicast Responses
Document date: 2019-07-06
Group: Individual Submission
Pages: 18
URL: https://= www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-tiloca-core-observe-multicast-notifica= tions-00.txt
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Abstract:
The Constrained Application Protocol (CoAP) allows clients to
"observe" resources at a server, and receive notifications as unicast
responses upon changes of the resource state. In some use cases, such as based on publish-subscribe, it would be convenient for the<= br> server to send a single notification to all the clients observing a
same target resource. This document defines how a CoAP server sends
observe notifications as response messages over multicast, by
synchronizing all the observers of a same resource on a same shared
Token value. Besides, this document defines how Group OSCORE can be
used to protect multicast notifications end-to-end from the CoAP server to the multiple CoAP clients registered as observers.



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Here is the draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tschofenig-core-senml-lbn-00 In the work on LwM2M we make use of SenML but only recently we noticed that= there is a mismatch between the examples in the LwM2M specification and th= e published SenML draft. We just didn't realize that the authors of SenML had the expectation that e= ach sensor reading would be globally identifiable. While this feature may b= e useful in certain contexts it is a problem in the LwM2M context where we = actually care about smaller payload sizes. >From an over-the-wire optimization potential this simple extension is just = fantastic. Even with a small number of sensor readings sent by IoT devices = you can gain huge benefits. Ciao Hannes IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confid= ential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, p= lease notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any= other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in = any medium. Thank you. --_000_VI1PR08MB536095EABEEF3433574F7785FAF10VI1PR08MB5360eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

 

Mid June I submitted a draft that introduces the con= cept of a local basename to SenML.

 

Here is the draft:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tschofenig-core-se= nml-lbn-00

 

In the work on LwM2M we make use of SenML but only r= ecently we noticed that there is a mismatch between the examples in the LwM= 2M specification and the published SenML draft.

We just didn’t realize that the authors of Sen= ML had the expectation that each sensor reading would be globally identifia= ble. While this feature may be useful in certain contexts it is a problem i= n the LwM2M context where we actually care about smaller payload sizes.

 

From an over-the-wire optimization potential this si= mple extension is just fantastic. Even with a small number of sensor readin= gs sent by IoT devices you can gain huge benefits.

 

Ciao
Hannes

 

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Client applications use the CoRE defined = "if" target attribute and use IANA registered values as OCF Core = Interface Types in the query to select these views. We provide interfaces that report partial state representations, e.g. = links list for just the links of a collection, batch for just the data = items in a collection, etc., and one interface (called baseline) that = does report the full state of the resource. For example: GET /machine/state/3?if=3Doic.if.s selects the "sensor" interface which returns sensor values but maybe not = things like units and range that may also be present in the resource. The need: In OCF we are in the process of adding more special URLs, as interface = types, for creation and deletion of resources, and interface types for = modifying link arrays. We would like to use CoAP Observe on these new interface URLs to report = only the updates to the resource, and not the entire state of the = resource in each notification. You might say partial state from a = temporal view; incremental state updates.=20 The Problem: When a client first Observes or tries to poll, for example using the = create interface, there are no items to reply with (this issue is = similar to the Pub/Sub empty topic issue). Later, when a resource is = eventually created, then a notification is sent to all observers = containing the representation that was used to create the resource. Proposed Solution: With OCF we have a default content format and can return an empty CBOR = map or an empty CBOR array, as appropriate, for the initial GET + = Observe response, and return an item in the payload on subsequent = notifications whenever a new resource is created. We would use 2.05 Content for the response code in all non-error = notifications. Question: Does this violate any of the current requirements in RFC7252 or RFC7641, = or other specifications? 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Tue, 09 Jul 2019 15:24:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVxNhxSSW0G+0MkCKRizKTzJMm8w93wu4gVgYacFfg8PI4NcpaU JddOCr72jMVD9Mqd8vOd1lGeuYxm+UdwFwqIN+g= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxxBPLHnECCn+4NHHSSa9epozXgZRn4yrdlRTEJ7GsJDjpd0CyQahE+/zaYiWfH4mldWTrslHR9hCoHKoXpzVI= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:6114:: with SMTP id a20mr20836452qtm.283.1562711093915; Tue, 09 Jul 2019 15:24:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <166B0435-8C96-4B83-98CB-A1D6F0838335@smartthings.com> In-Reply-To: <166B0435-8C96-4B83-98CB-A1D6F0838335@smartthings.com> From: Klaus Hartke Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 00:24:18 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Michael Koster Cc: core , "t2trg@irtf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de; hartke@projectcool.de; 1562711098; 4e637650; X-HE-SMSGID: 1hkyXe-00030Z-Us Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] [T2TRG] OCF Observe on special interfaces, design question, RFC requirements? X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 22:25:02 -0000 Michael Koster wrote: > Does this violate any of the current requirements in RFC7252 or RFC7641, or other specifications? I think RFC 7641 is pretty clear that a 2.05 (Content) notification contains a resource state representation and not a representation of changes since the last notification. RFC 7641: "The goal of the protocol is to keep the resource state observed by the client as closely in sync with the actual state at the server as possible." "Notifications are additional responses sent by the server in reply to the single extended GET request that created the registration. [...] The only difference between a notification and a normal response is the presence of the Observe Option." RFC 7252: "The payload returned with the [2.05 (Content)] response is a representation of the target resource." RFC 7641: "As notifications are just additional responses sent by the server in reply to a GET request, they are subject to caching as defined in Section 5.6 of RFC 7252 [RFC7252]." A good way to think of the Observe mechanism is to see it an optimization of polling: Every time a client gets the response in reply to a GET request without Observe option, it gets the current representation if the resource. That representation only depends on the resource state, never on the response to a previous request. Every time a client gets a notification in reply to a GET request with Observe option, it gets the current representation if the resource. That representation only depends on the resource state, never on a previous notification. When observing a resource with a rather large representation, it might often make more sense to observe a projection of that resource. That is, to observe a resource X whose state depends on the state of another resource Y. Examples of possible resource state projections if the state of Y is a number: * The state of X is that number rounded to a multiple of 5. * The state of X is that number clipped to the range 0--100. * The state of X is the moving average of that number over the last 60 seconds. * The state of X is that number sampled every other second. * The state of X is the difference between that number and 9000. Examples of possible resource state projections if the state of Y is a list of items: * The state of X is the number of changes to that list since its creation. * The state of X is the timestamp of the last change to that list. * The state of X is a list of the last 10 additions/removals to that list. * The state of X is a list of the additions/removals to that list since 2019-07-10T00:21:00+0200. Anything where the notifications depend on previous notifications (e.g., time elapsed since the last notification, value has changed by more than some value since the last notification, additions/removals to some list since the last notification, etc.) is not a projection of resource state and thus not pollable nor observable. Klaus From nobody Tue Jul 9 16:11:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6405F1202FE; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:11:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qGs_uFYaOpyR; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99A6D1202BF; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id DFD66B812BE; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:11:18 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 1005:ams_util_lib.php From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, drafts-update-ref@iana.org, core@ietf.org Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20190709231118.DFD66B812BE@rfc-editor.org> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Subject: [core] =?utf-8?q?RFC_8613_on_Object_Security_for_Constrained_RES?= =?utf-8?q?Tful_Environments_=28OSCORE=29?= X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 23:11:29 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 8613 Title: Object Security for Constrained RESTful Environments (OSCORE) Author: G. Selander, J. Mattsson, F. Palombini, L. Seitz Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: July 2019 Mailbox: goran.selander@ericsson.com, john.mattsson@ericsson.com, francesca.palombini@ericsson.com, ludwig.seitz@ri.se Pages: 94 Characters: 203804 Updates: RFC 7252 I-D Tag: draft-ietf-core-object-security-16.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8613 DOI: 10.17487/RFC8613 This document defines Object Security for Constrained RESTful Environments (OSCORE), a method for application-layer protection of the Constrained Application Protocol (CoAP), using CBOR Object Signing and Encryption (COSE). OSCORE provides end-to-end protection between endpoints communicating using CoAP or CoAP-mappable HTTP. OSCORE is designed for constrained nodes and networks supporting a range of proxy operations, including translation between different transport protocols. Although an optional functionality of CoAP, OSCORE alters CoAP options processing and IANA registration. Therefore, this document updates RFC 7252. This document is a product of the Constrained RESTful Environments Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard. STANDARDS TRACK: This document specifies an Internet Standards Track protocol for the Internet community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. Please refer to the current edition of the Official Internet Protocol Standards (https://www.rfc-editor.org/standards) for the standardization state and status of this protocol. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. This announcement is sent to the IETF-Announce and rfc-dist lists. 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[71.202.145.92]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s22sm177933pfh.107.2019.07.09.16.34.33 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 09 Jul 2019 16:34:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Koster Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5E3BFB4F-D570-4EE9-AF70-8FBD2096E915" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:34:31 -0700 In-Reply-To: Cc: Michael Koster , "t2trg@irtf.org" , core To: Klaus Hartke References: <166B0435-8C96-4B83-98CB-A1D6F0838335@smartthings.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] [T2TRG] OCF Observe on special interfaces, design question, RFC requirements? X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 23:34:44 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_5E3BFB4F-D570-4EE9-AF70-8FBD2096E915 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thank you, Klaus. > On Jul 9, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Klaus Hartke = wrote: >=20 > When observing a resource with a rather large representation, it might > often make more sense to observe a projection of that resource. That > is, to observe a resource X whose state depends on the state of > another resource Y. This is already the intention with providing the alternate URI through = the use of the query parameter. It is a different resource which is a = projection of the state of the base resource. klaus> * The state of X is a list of the last 10 additions/removals to = that list. Or perhaps the last one addition or removal... What we are doing is not that different. Best regards, Michael --Apple-Mail=_5E3BFB4F-D570-4EE9-AF70-8FBD2096E915 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Thank you, Klaus.

On = Jul 9, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Klaus Hartke <hartke@projectcool.de> wrote:

When observing a resource with a = rather large representation, it might
often make more sense to observe = a projection of that resource. That
is, to observe a resource X = whose state depends on the state of
another resource = Y.

This is already the intention with providing the alternate = URI through the use of the query parameter. It is a different resource = which is a projection of the state of the base resource.

klaus> * The state of = X is a list of the last 10 additions/removals to that list.

Or = perhaps the last one addition or removal...

What we are doing is not that = different.

Best = regards,

Michael


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[71.202.145.92]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g4sm216329pfo.93.2019.07.09.17.08.05 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 09 Jul 2019 17:08:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Koster Message-Id: <59F4C3E9-1400-4A75-B915-69BC27E0FE7E@smartthings.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_25278190-7323-4378-8313-B5A76219DE2F" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 17:08:03 -0700 In-Reply-To: Cc: Klaus Hartke , "t2trg@irtf.org" , core To: Michael Koster References: <166B0435-8C96-4B83-98CB-A1D6F0838335@smartthings.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] [T2TRG] OCF Observe on special interfaces, design question, RFC requirements? X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 00:08:09 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_25278190-7323-4378-8313-B5A76219DE2F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Klaus, What if we retained the last notified state such that it would also be = returned by polling? > On Jul 9, 2019, at 4:34 PM, Michael Koster = wrote: >=20 > Thank you, Klaus. >=20 >> On Jul 9, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Klaus Hartke > wrote: >>=20 >> When observing a resource with a rather large representation, it = might >> often make more sense to observe a projection of that resource. That >> is, to observe a resource X whose state depends on the state of >> another resource Y. >=20 > This is already the intention with providing the alternate URI through = the use of the query parameter. It is a different resource which is a = projection of the state of the base resource. >=20 > klaus> * The state of X is a list of the last 10 additions/removals to = that list. >=20 > Or perhaps the last one addition or removal... >=20 > What we are doing is not that different. >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Michael >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_25278190-7323-4378-8313-B5A76219DE2F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi Klaus,

What if we retained the last notified state such that it = would also be returned by polling?

On = Jul 9, 2019, at 4:34 PM, Michael Koster <michaeljohnkoster@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you, = Klaus.

On Jul = 9, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Klaus Hartke <hartke@projectcool.de> wrote:

When observing a resource with a = rather large representation, it might
often make more sense to observe = a projection of that resource. That
is, to observe a resource X = whose state depends on the state of
another resource = Y.

This is already the intention with providing the alternate = URI through the use of the query parameter. It is a different resource = which is a projection of the state of the base resource.

klaus> * The state of = X is a list of the last 10 additions/removals to that list.

Or = perhaps the last one addition or removal...

What we are doing is not that = different.

Best = regards,

Michael



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X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 00:12:10 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_28C1DD55-7A16-451B-ADA2-C897E9D015EC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii More formally, the observed (projected) resource, referenced through an = alternate URL, would be a log of recent activity on the base resource, = with a maximum depth of one.=20 Is it a satisfactory definition? > On Jul 9, 2019, at 5:08 PM, Michael Koster = wrote: >=20 > Hi Klaus, >=20 > What if we retained the last notified state such that it would also be = returned by polling? >=20 >> On Jul 9, 2019, at 4:34 PM, Michael Koster = > = wrote: >>=20 >> Thank you, Klaus. >>=20 >>> On Jul 9, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Klaus Hartke > wrote: >>>=20 >>> When observing a resource with a rather large representation, it = might >>> often make more sense to observe a projection of that resource. That >>> is, to observe a resource X whose state depends on the state of >>> another resource Y. >>=20 >> This is already the intention with providing the alternate URI = through the use of the query parameter. It is a different resource which = is a projection of the state of the base resource. >>=20 >> klaus> * The state of X is a list of the last 10 additions/removals = to that list. >>=20 >> Or perhaps the last one addition or removal... >>=20 >> What we are doing is not that different. >>=20 >> Best regards, >>=20 >> Michael >>=20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_28C1DD55-7A16-451B-ADA2-C897E9D015EC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii More formally, the observed (projected) resource, referenced = through an alternate URL, would be a log of recent activity on the base = resource, with a maximum depth of one. 

Is it a satisfactory definition?

On Jul 9, 2019, at 5:08 PM, Michael Koster = <michael.koster@smartthings.com> wrote:

Hi Klaus,

What if we retained the = last notified state such that it would also be returned by polling?

On Jul 9, 2019, at 4:34 PM, Michael Koster = <michaeljohnkoster@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you, = Klaus.

On Jul = 9, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Klaus Hartke <hartke@projectcool.de> wrote:

When observing a resource with a = rather large representation, it might
often make more sense to observe = a projection of that resource. That
is, to observe a resource X = whose state depends on the state of
another resource = Y.

This is already the intention with providing the alternate = URI through the use of the query parameter. It is a different resource = which is a projection of the state of the base resource.

klaus> * The state of = X is a list of the last 10 additions/removals to that list.

Or = perhaps the last one addition or removal...

What we are doing is not that = different.

Best = regards,

Michael




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Ip=[194.218.146.197]; Helo=[mail.ri.se] X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: HybridOnPrem X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM5P189MB0403 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] Comments on draft-ietf-core-oscore-groupcomm-05 X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 09:10:36 -0000 --MlgMpz5LWcXd9Hjj3Dizb3aWI2Vq6IaFD Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="AisFBu82MDgQ1GU0APoKCOy3I1KHeXhOo"; protected-headers="v1" From: Marco Tiloca To: Jim Schaad , draft-ietf-core-oscore-groupcomm@ietf.org Cc: core@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: Comments on draft-ietf-core-oscore-groupcomm-05 References: <17bc01d53542$af0bfdd0$0d23f970$@augustcellars.com> In-Reply-To: <17bc01d53542$af0bfdd0$0d23f970$@augustcellars.com> --AisFBu82MDgQ1GU0APoKCOy3I1KHeXhOo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US Hello Jim, Thanks for your comments. Please, find some answers inline. Best, /Marco On 7/8/19 6:07 AM, Jim Schaad wrote: > This is not a full review, I did a fast look at the differences in betw= een > -04 and -05 and am commenting on these. > > 1. The addition of two optional parameters in the aad_array in sectio= n > 3.1. In terms of have a deterministic string result this is considered= bad > practice as if only one of them is supplied, it could be confused with = the > other one. Ok, we will change the encoding of 'par_countersign' and 'par_countersign_key'. We can use the same encoding of 'sign_parameters' and 'sign_key_parameters' in the 'sign_info_res' array of https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ace-key-groupcomm-02#section-3.3 > 2. Who is supposed to validate the parameters dealing with signatures?= Is > this the responsibility of the KDC or does each entity need to do this?= Is > there an optimization that can be applied so that all of these paramete= rs > don't need to be distributed with the rest of the public key fields at = a > later date? Yes, it's up to the Group Manager (KDC), when handling the joining of a new group member and collecting its public key. For instance, the joining process described in ace-key-groupcomm-oscore takes care of this, see https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ace-key-groupcomm-oscore-02#sectio= n-4.3 We will also clarify it in this document, and add a bullet point in Section 7, i.e. the list of responsibilities of the Group Manager. As to the second part of the comment, do you mean a minimal shortened encoding of public keys? For instance, a COSE Key where some parameters are not included, and default values are assumed instead? If so, this should also mean having some more admitted ACE Public Key Encoding values than the normal "COSE_Key", see Figure 2 in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ace-key-groupcomm-oscore-02#sectio= n-4.1 > > 3. I am not sure why RSA-OAEP in the tables, I have never heard of any= body > using these as signature algorithms. That was an oversight. We will remove the last three entries in the registry. > 4. Why did you insert the OSCORE_options field into the aad_array befo= re > the options field? It would be cleaner to have it at the end to minimi= ze > the differences between the structures. Right, we will move the OSCORE option to the end, after the class I optio= ns. > 5. Just what is the type in section 9.2 for EdDSA? Do you mean the key type 'kty' ? It is 1 (OKP), as specified in the "Description" column. What is missing? > > Jim > =20 > > --=20 Marco Tiloca Ph.D., Senior Researcher RISE Research Institutes of Sweden Division ICT Isafjordsgatan 22 / Kistag=C3=A5ngen 16 SE-164 40 Kista (Sweden) Phone: +46 (0)70 60 46 501 https://www.ri.se --AisFBu82MDgQ1GU0APoKCOy3I1KHeXhOo-- --MlgMpz5LWcXd9Hjj3Dizb3aWI2Vq6IaFD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEOEo4cV326Z7GypVg7iZktA5Y2kMFAl0lq3wACgkQ7iZktA5Y 2kP5NAf8CS4QdpIhmv+BU9GZ3r3CmGte6TG0+0Nx3mGyaXlsxl9Sp9OGhehGauY8 wacibJJrWMPu4bA3Qj/2eKhiqybqeqsOnI+r2K+6PCYIIXdtrBroOvDozb+zEylr sP9fjggrXrfdOr60uiRf7EJWqGxnUzNPgDPfLYFPbF/z912uG/OMIm8YB4aLf3Kl FTUmhV7zBFyA5QR2GMV3kP2lbYgQLm5+bUsmZJbyyH/vLJxLZix9SX30ySYHC/Ev Pp9tL4hPrHq5SoRwwkN9Q0TXERsS/LomtFrWUdUTP7V1VPLtTI6NnPXX8Q1a/F7a VcDsXby+d8FqG+AyBrTpkhtr1zKjow== =u2vg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MlgMpz5LWcXd9Hjj3Dizb3aWI2Vq6IaFD-- From nobody Wed Jul 10 02:41:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E97120099 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 02:41:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OTHgKFL5MRgc for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 02:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 235F51200FD for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 02:41:24 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.63,474,1557180000"; d="scan'208";a="391238254" Received: from wifi-eduroam-85-050.paris.inria.fr ([128.93.85.50]) by mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 10 Jul 2019 11:41:14 +0200 From: =?utf-8?B?TWFsacWhYSBWdcSNaW5pxIc=?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 11:41:13 +0200 References: To: core In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0F46EC62-79D6-4C4C-B691-668E86E3B0F8@inria.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] =?utf-8?q?=F0=9F=94=94_WGLC_of_draft-ietf-core-stateless-?= =?utf-8?q?01?= X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 09:41:30 -0000 Dear CoRE, As indicated during the Prague meeting, I would like to thank Klaus and = the CoRE group for finalizing this document on a short notice. The = stateless document was motivated by our network access use case in = 6TiSCH where an unauthenticated client talks to a constrained = (stateless) proxy in order to join the network. In general, I find the document well written and easy to read. Some = remarks below.=20 In case the extended token and Observe are used together, where multiple = (legitimate) Observe responses carry the same (extended) token, replay = protection using sequence numbers at the client might falsely identify = such tokens as replays. How should this be handled? Little consideration is given to the replay protection using timestamps. = It might be important to note here that a client, and particularly a = constrained one, only needs to trust its own clock without any = synchronization required. The question that remains though is what = implementation strategy should a client use to accept/reject a given = extended token when using timestamps. A client (or intermediary in the role of a client) that depends on support for extended token lengths (Section 2) from the next hop to avoid keeping request state MUST perform a discovery of support (Section 2.2) before it can be stateless. There are environments, 6TiSCH being one example, where the support for = extended tokens can be known before hand, e.g. through out of band = information such as dependency in the draft. In that case, saving two = messages on the wire in constrained environments by omitting the = discovery seems quite reasonable. I would therefore argue for this MUST = to be replaced with a SHOULD. Some nits below: If a server supports extended token lengths but receives a request with a token of a length it is unwilling or unable to process, it MUST NOT reject the message. Instead, it SHOULD return a 4.00 (Bad Request) response. This implies that the server returns the entire token verbatim. This paragraph to me seems self-contradictory. If a server cannot = process a request with a token length greater than some value, is it = reasonable to expect that it can return it in the Bad Request response? = If SHOULD is not respected, what happens? Tokens are a hop-by-hop feature: When an intermediary receives a request, the only requirement is that it echoes the token back in any resulting response. There is no requirement or expectation that an intermediary passes a client's token on to a server or that an = intermediary=20 uses extended token lengths itself when receiving a request with an=20= extended token length. Note should be taken here that such intermediary can itself be = =E2=80=9Cstateless=E2=80=9D, as described in Section 3.1 just below. In wireless mesh networks, where all traffic is visible to a passive attacker, encryption may not be needed as the attacker can get the same information from analyzing the traffic flows. I am quite confused by this sentence which seems as an = oversimplification. What kind of an attacker are you considering here? Mali=C5=A1a > On 26 Jun 2019, at 16:14, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > This is a Working Group last call on >=20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-stateless-01 >=20 > The WGLC will end in exactly 336 hours so we can discuss the outcome = at the CoRE WG Interim meeting on 2019-07=E2=80=9310. Please indicate = your position in a message to the CoRE mailing list (core@ietf.org) or, = exceptionally, to the chairs (core-chairs@ietf.org). >=20 > Please find my chair=E2=80=99s review below; I believe the items = raised there can be discussed during the WGLC alongside the concerns of = other WG members. >=20 > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 >=20 > Chair=E2=80=99s review of draft-ietf-core-stateless-01 >=20 > # Major >=20 > Discovery is currently focused on whether the server supports extended = token lengths at all. Given that the maximum extended token is rather = large for a constrained environment, the client may be interested to = find out how large tokens can be for this server. With CSM, this would = be trivial (change empty option value to an uint value). With = trial-and-error, this leaves the client with binary search (probably = along the lines of the token sizes it actually can make use of). >=20 > # Minor >=20 > Section 3.3 suddenly starts to talk about authentication tags and = freshness indicators; this might require additional explanation (in = particular since there are BCP 14 keywords in these paragraphs). = Section 4.2.1 has some implementation guidelines that could possibly be = expanded to cover this. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > core mailing list > core@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/core From nobody Wed Jul 10 04:51:19 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA6C1200E7 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 04:51:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.197 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.197 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6KitLUowBo2b for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 04:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B42E21200A3 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 04:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.110] (p548DC676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.198.118]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45kHZk5HD3z14Xx; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 13:51:10 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <0F46EC62-79D6-4C4C-B691-668E86E3B0F8@inria.fr> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 13:51:10 +0200 Cc: core X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 584452268.2742389-ba5fc292a2d021a98d08ae2e9496e4ec Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <31720567-638E-4951-A4E3-368D454216A6@tzi.org> References: <0F46EC62-79D6-4C4C-B691-668E86E3B0F8@inria.fr> To: =?utf-8?B?TWFsacWhYSBWdcSNaW5pxIc=?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] =?utf-8?q?=F0=9F=94=94_WGLC_of_draft-ietf-core-stateless-?= =?utf-8?q?01?= X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 11:51:18 -0000 Hi Mali=C5=A1a, thank you for these remarks. Let me respond to some of them before we hear from the author. > On Jul 10, 2019, at 11:41, Mali=C5=A1a Vu=C4=8Dini=C4=87 = wrote: >=20 > Dear CoRE, >=20 > As indicated during the Prague meeting, I would like to thank Klaus = and the CoRE group for finalizing this document on a short notice. The = stateless document was motivated by our network access use case in = 6TiSCH where an unauthenticated client talks to a constrained = (stateless) proxy in order to join the network. >=20 > In general, I find the document well written and easy to read. Some = remarks below.=20 >=20 > In case the extended token and Observe are used together, where = multiple (legitimate) Observe responses carry the same (extended) token, = replay protection using sequence numbers at the client might falsely = identify such tokens as replays. How should this be handled? Can you more specific about the scenario? 3.1 says: When multiple clients observe [RFC7641] the same resource, aggregating requests is REQUIRED (Section 3.1 of RFC 7641). As this cannot be satisfied without keeping request state, an intermediary MUST NOT include an Observe Option in requests it sends without keeping request state. > Little consideration is given to the replay protection using = timestamps. It might be important to note here that a client, and = particularly a constrained one, only needs to trust its own clock = without any synchronization required. The question that remains though = is what implementation strategy should a client use to accept/reject a = given extended token when using timestamps. >=20 > A client (or intermediary in the role of a client) that depends on > support for extended token lengths (Section 2) from the next hop to > avoid keeping request state MUST perform a discovery of support > (Section 2.2) before it can be stateless. >=20 > There are environments, 6TiSCH being one example, where the support = for extended tokens can be known before hand, e.g. through out of band = information such as dependency in the draft. In that case, saving two = messages on the wire in constrained environments by omitting the = discovery seems quite reasonable. I would therefore argue for this MUST = to be replaced with a SHOULD. Or, alternatively, being set up for operation in such a network could = count as such a form of discovery. > Some nits below: >=20 > If a server supports extended token lengths but receives a request > with a token of a length it is unwilling or unable to process, it > MUST NOT reject the message. Instead, it SHOULD return a 4.00 (Bad > Request) response. This implies that the server returns the entire > token verbatim. >=20 > This paragraph to me seems self-contradictory. If a server cannot = process a request with a token length greater than some value, is it = reasonable to expect that it can return it in the Bad Request response? The note (=E2=80=9CThis implies=E2=80=9D) already points out the = significant onus. I=E2=80=99m not sure we can really require the MUST = NOT. > If SHOULD is not respected, what happens? The client might have trouble fully assessing the situation. >=20 > Tokens are a hop-by-hop feature: When an intermediary receives a > request, the only requirement is that it echoes the token back in = any > resulting response. There is no requirement or expectation that an > intermediary passes a client's token on to a server or that an = intermediary=20 > uses extended token lengths itself when receiving a request with an=20= > extended token length. >=20 > Note should be taken here that such intermediary can itself be = =E2=80=9Cstateless=E2=80=9D, as described in Section 3.1 just below. >=20 > In wireless mesh networks, > where all traffic is visible to a passive attacker, encryption may > not be needed as the attacker can get the same information from > analyzing the traffic flows. >=20 > I am quite confused by this sentence which seems as an = oversimplification. What kind of an attacker are you considering here? I agree that there is a large box of pandora here. In particular, an = endpoint often cannot be sure their traffic stays within the wireless = network. I=E2=80=99m also not sure this is only about wireless mesh = networks and not other wireless networks. So I would reformulate this = =E2=80=9CWhere a passive attacker can get the same information from = analyzing the traffic flows, there may be little gain in adding = encryption.=E2=80=9D. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Wed Jul 10 05:22:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A6D1200FB for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 05:22:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cx_SZRSIvp58 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 05:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BE8A120026 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 05:22:22 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.63,474,1557180000"; d="scan'208,217";a="391264464" Received: from wifi-eduroam-85-050.paris.inria.fr ([128.93.85.50]) by mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 10 Jul 2019 14:22:20 +0200 From: =?utf-8?B?TWFsacWhYSBWdcSNaW5pxIc=?= Message-Id: <55AA5D08-C341-4FB4-842E-FDE84931FD82@inria.fr> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5F605860-0311-4F7B-B600-8151A0D57ED4" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 14:22:20 +0200 In-Reply-To: <31720567-638E-4951-A4E3-368D454216A6@tzi.org> Cc: core To: Carsten Bormann References: <0F46EC62-79D6-4C4C-B691-668E86E3B0F8@inria.fr> <31720567-638E-4951-A4E3-368D454216A6@tzi.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] =?utf-8?q?=F0=9F=94=94_WGLC_of_draft-ietf-core-stateless-?= =?utf-8?q?01?= X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 12:22:28 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_5F605860-0311-4F7B-B600-8151A0D57ED4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On 10 Jul 2019, at 13:51, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 >> On Jul 10, 2019, at 11:41, Mali=C5=A1a Vu=C4=8Dini=C4=87 = > wrote: >>=20 >> In case the extended token and Observe are used together, where = multiple (legitimate) Observe responses carry the same (extended) token, = replay protection using sequence numbers at the client might falsely = identify such tokens as replays. How should this be handled? >=20 > Can you more specific about the scenario? >=20 > 3.1 says: >=20 > When multiple clients observe [RFC7641] the same resource, > aggregating requests is REQUIRED (Section 3.1 of RFC 7641). As this > cannot be satisfied without keeping request state, an intermediary > MUST NOT include an Observe Option in requests it sends without > keeping request state. My understanding is that the text above relates to a proxy handling = observations from multiple clients. I do not read from this that Observe = is in general forbidden with extended tokens.The scenario I am talking = about is just the basic client - server interaction, with client being = stateless and using the Observe option. The server will send multiple = Observe responses with the same token. How should client=E2=80=99s = implementation of replay protection handle this? >> A client (or intermediary in the role of a client) that depends on >> support for extended token lengths (Section 2) from the next hop to >> avoid keeping request state MUST perform a discovery of support >> (Section 2.2) before it can be stateless. >>=20 >> There are environments, 6TiSCH being one example, where the support = for extended tokens can be known before hand, e.g. through out of band = information such as dependency in the draft. In that case, saving two = messages on the wire in constrained environments by omitting the = discovery seems quite reasonable. I would therefore argue for this MUST = to be replaced with a SHOULD. >=20 > Or, alternatively, being set up for operation in such a network could = count as such a form of discovery. Could we have a note on this in the draft? >=20 >> Some nits below: >>=20 >> If a server supports extended token lengths but receives a request >> with a token of a length it is unwilling or unable to process, it >> MUST NOT reject the message. Instead, it SHOULD return a 4.00 (Bad >> Request) response. This implies that the server returns the entire >> token verbatim. >>=20 >> This paragraph to me seems self-contradictory. If a server cannot = process a request with a token length greater than some value, is it = reasonable to expect that it can return it in the Bad Request response? >=20 > The note (=E2=80=9CThis implies=E2=80=9D) already points out the = significant onus. I=E2=80=99m not sure we can really require the MUST = NOT. Ok, so I would suggest rephrasing this to: "Instead, it SHOULD return a 4.00 (Bad Request) response and attempt = returning the entire token verbatim." >> If SHOULD is not respected, what happens? >=20 > The client might have trouble fully assessing the situation. >> In wireless mesh networks, >> where all traffic is visible to a passive attacker, encryption may >> not be needed as the attacker can get the same information from >> analyzing the traffic flows. >>=20 >> I am quite confused by this sentence which seems as an = oversimplification. What kind of an attacker are you considering here? >=20 > I agree that there is a large box of pandora here. In particular, an = endpoint often cannot be sure their traffic stays within the wireless = network. I=E2=80=99m also not sure this is only about wireless mesh = networks and not other wireless networks. So I would reformulate this = =E2=80=9CWhere a passive attacker can get the same information from = analyzing the traffic flows, there may be little gain in adding = encryption.=E2=80=9D. Works for me. --Apple-Mail=_5F605860-0311-4F7B-B600-8151A0D57ED4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On 10 Jul 2019, at 13:51, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> = wrote:

On Jul 10, 2019, at 11:41, Mali=C5=A1a = Vu=C4=8Dini=C4=87 <malisa.vucinic@inria.fr> wrote:

In case the extended token and Observe are used together, = where multiple (legitimate) Observe responses carry the same (extended) = token, replay protection using sequence numbers at the client might = falsely identify such tokens as replays. How should this be handled?

Can you more specific about the scenario?

3.1 says:

  When multiple = clients observe [RFC7641] the same resource,
  aggregating requests = is REQUIRED (Section 3.1 of RFC 7641).  As this
  cannot be satisfied = without keeping request state, an intermediary
  MUST NOT include an = Observe Option in requests it sends without
  keeping request = state.


My understanding is that the text above relates to = a proxy handling observations from multiple clients. I do not read from = this that Observe is in general forbidden with extended tokens.The = scenario I am talking about is just the basic client - server = interaction, with client being stateless and using the Observe option. = The server will send multiple Observe responses with the same token. How = should client=E2=80=99s implementation of replay protection handle = this?


A client (or intermediary in the role = of a client) that depends on
 support for extended = token lengths (Section 2) from the next hop to
 avoid = keeping request state MUST perform a discovery of support
 (Section 2.2) before it can be stateless.

There are environments, 6TiSCH being one = example, where the support for extended tokens can be known before hand, = e.g. through out of band information such as dependency in the draft. In = that case, saving two messages on the wire in constrained environments = by omitting the discovery seems quite reasonable. I would therefore = argue for this MUST to be replaced with a SHOULD.

Or, alternatively, being set up for operation in such a = network could count as such a form of discovery.

Could we = have a note on this in the draft?


Some nits below:

 If a server supports extended token lengths but = receives a request
 with a token of a length it is = unwilling or unable to process, it
 MUST NOT reject = the message.  Instead, it SHOULD return a 4.00 (Bad
 Request) response.  This implies that the server = returns the entire
 token verbatim.

This paragraph to me seems self-contradictory. If a server = cannot process a request with a token length greater than some value, is = it reasonable to expect that it can return it in the Bad Request = response?

The note (=E2=80=9CThis implies=E2=80=9D) already points out = the significant onus.  I=E2=80=99m not sure we can really require = the MUST NOT.

Ok, = so I would suggest rephrasing this to:

"Instead, it SHOULD return a 4.00 (Bad Request) = response and attempt returning the entire token verbatim."

If = SHOULD is not respected, what happens?

The client might have trouble = fully assessing the situation.


In = wireless mesh networks,
 where all traffic is visible = to a passive attacker, encryption may
 not be needed = as the attacker can get the same information from
 analyzing the traffic flows.

I am quite confused by this sentence which seems as an = oversimplification. What kind of an attacker are you considering = here?

I agree that there is a large box of pandora here.  In = particular, an endpoint often cannot be sure their traffic stays within = the wireless network.  I=E2=80=99m also not sure this is only about = wireless mesh networks and not other wireless networks. So I would = reformulate this =E2=80=9CWhere a passive attacker can get the same = information from analyzing the traffic flows, there may be little gain = in adding encryption.=E2=80=9D.

Works for me.

= --Apple-Mail=_5F605860-0311-4F7B-B600-8151A0D57ED4-- From nobody Wed Jul 10 06:17:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3907F12024B for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 06:17:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.197 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.197 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FIDhAuJSd5o2 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 06:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E079120240 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 06:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.110] (p548DC676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.198.118]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45kKVg0R9Tz14b7; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:17:47 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:17:46 +0200 Cc: "core@ietf.org WG" X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 584457464.983397-c4e5148399b77f1255fc6055f4d92a2f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3E29C937-6EAF-4E78-A0A6-3347192AFD07@tzi.org> References: To: Hannes Tschofenig X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] draft-tschofenig-core-senml-lbn-00 X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 13:17:52 -0000 Hi Hannes, Will you be at the CoRE WG interim in 102 minutes? We probably could = spare 10 minutes to discuss this. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > On Jul 9, 2019, at 11:13, Hannes Tschofenig = wrote: >=20 > Hi all,=20 > =20 > Mid June I submitted a draft that introduces the concept of a local = basename to SenML. > =20 > Here is the draft:=20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tschofenig-core-senml-lbn-00 > =20 > In the work on LwM2M we make use of SenML but only recently we noticed = that there is a mismatch between the examples in the LwM2M specification = and the published SenML draft. > We just didn=E2=80=99t realize that the authors of SenML had the = expectation that each sensor reading would be globally identifiable. = While this feature may be useful in certain contexts it is a problem in = the LwM2M context where we actually care about smaller payload sizes. > =20 > =46rom an over-the-wire optimization potential this simple extension = is just fantastic. 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call for adoption on draft-keranen-core-senml-data-ct-02. The draft is short (4 pages),it defines a new field to indicate the content format of the data. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-keranen-core-senml-data-ct-02 We are having the call for adoption on the mailing list and the draft will be discussed during IETF 105. The call for adoption ends in one week (on July 10th). BR, -- Jaime Jiménez From nobody Wed Jul 10 10:46:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E12A41202D0 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 10:46:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.41 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FAKE_REPLY_C=1.486, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dTqTz-oAXemL for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 10:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prometheus.amsuess.com (alt.prometheus.amsuess.com [IPv6:2a01:4f8:190:3064::3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 015EE12014F for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 10:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from poseidon-mailhub.amsuess.com (095129206250.cust.akis.net [95.129.206.250]) by prometheus.amsuess.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0456462C4 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 19:46:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from poseidon-mailbox.amsuess.com (unknown [IPv6:2a02:b18:c13b:8010:a800:ff:fede:b1bf]) by poseidon-mailhub.amsuess.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E9FF36 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 19:46:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hephaistos.amsuess.com (unknown [IPv6:2a02:b18:c13b:8010:49d4:a6f5:7eaf:db9]) by poseidon-mailbox.amsuess.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D40F074 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 19:46:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: (nullmailer pid 18413 invoked by uid 1000); Wed, 10 Jul 2019 17:46:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 19:46:44 +0200 From: Christian =?iso-8859-1?B?TS4gQW1z/HNz?= To: core Message-ID: <20190710174643.GA30791@hephaistos.amsuess.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20190626132951.GA3528@hephaistos.amsuess.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] Separate formats for fetch and patch (was: WG Last Call of draft-ietf-core-senml-etch-03.txt) X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 17:46:57 -0000 --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello CoRE, on the interim of two weeks ago we had discussed writing something about media types usable with FETCH and PATCH methods. I've assembled a few lines -- I'm not sure whether they're good for anything but a starting point for further discussion. Unlike in the interim, I'm not convinced any more that reusing the target media type for the fetch or patch content format has merit; it may only make sense for very few media types where the fetch/patch semantics are immediately obvious. Best regards Christian On media types for FETCH and (i)PATCH =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Media types for the request payloads of FETCH, PATCH and iPATCH operations are often not as straight-forward as the PUT request and GET response media types. Several patterns have been deployed or considered: Dedicated query/patch languages ------------------------------- Request payloads use a media type that bears little to no resemblance to the media types obtained by GET or as FETCH results, but use a dedicated query language expressed in its own media type. Examples: * [SPARQL-QUERY], [SPARQL-UPDATE]: A query language in the style of SQL for RDF databases. The same grammar (with different entry points) is used for queries and updates, and distinct media types are described for the two applications.=20 * XPath patches ([RFC5261]): An XML format that lists individual additions, replacements and removals to be enacted on a target document. [RFC7351] serves up an actual media type for that operation. The examples have in common that while they use different languages, they can contain data that will end up in the same format as the target resource, but embedded in container language. (Xpath patches contain the new values as part of their XML graph, SPARQL allows to have startements that look just like Turtle). Note that those examples, in practice, do not use the FETCH but the POST or GET method (the latter with query strings), due to the absence of a FETCH in HTTP; even for PATCH cases a POST is used as [SparqlPatch] was not followed up on. [SPARQL-QUERY]: https://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/#mediaType [SPARQL-UPDATE]: https://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-update/#mediaType [SparqlPatch]: https://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/SparqlPatch [RFC5261]: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5261 [RFC7351]: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7351 Query/patch languages that are almost valid states on their own --------------------------------------------------------------- The request payload is syntactically very similar to the typically obtained responses, but uses a different media type: * SenML fetch/patch [etch]: The SenML format does not allow for values to be missing or null, but no value can be given in a query or a patch used to remove a record. A superset of the original language was expressed that removes the limitations, resulting in a format usable for fill-in-the-gap queries and patch-by-overwriting * JSON [merge-patch] documents are used to patch arbitrary JSON by presenting the subset of the target document that needs change with the new values filled in, using the value null as a sentinel for "that part should not be there any more at all". [etch]: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-senml-etch-04 [merge-patch]: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7386 Fill-in-the-gap / patch-by-overwriting -------------------------------------- The request payload has the same format as queries, but contains gaps (in the case of FETCH) which it implicitly asks the server to fill, or different values in some places. * SenML fetch/patch was originally planned to work this way. * [CoRAL] could be used in this fashion by asking the server to fill any blank nodes in the request tree with actual URIs if it has them and returning the subset of the tree it could show to be true (for fetching) and to add statements (but not easily to remove them) by forming a union graph. A limitation of this approach is that it allows for only (exactly) one mechanism to be applied per content type. That may be suitable if there is only one way to "apply" or "fill in" a representation; any changes to that mechanism will then require a new media type, even if the descriptive format did not change. [CoRAL]: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hartke-t2trg-coral-09 General issues -------------- An issue to be concerned about, whenever patching happens on generic target media types, is the selection of the representation to be patched (this does not apply to FETCH because there is an Accept involved there): An XPath patch, for example, could be tried both against an application/senml+xml representation and an vnd.example/vnd.sensor that can conceivably exist of the same resource, leaving the server unable to decide where to apply it. Specifying in the content type of the patch against which media type it is valid (might look like application/merge-patch+json;target=3Dapplication/link-format+json, but that's currently not specified) may be a way around this, but that brings with it multiplicative use of the media type code points we have in CoRE. --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEECM1tElX6OodcH7CWOY0REtOkveEFAl0mJIAACgkQOY0REtOk veFVyhAAvhxQSIvWxouRRcIS3VXD9K4zUeIGNzJI7o/Oc8Nt78+4EOhugo6JHaH7 9G6ARKcK9uD278Gq28wD2Vz9SHKSXXy+hVH1539who/VR6azQ2/v0v6KHpBY+c0B RMRA+LIR5G+Qwooum5vB+uR0R/jeBFOVR5e8Z/ZnJo5hdp2h4GKugAIOTtgtjM57 GgLmRWsKIpCwFqb8Str0LrDpESJ0c7vvahXYHKJn8jc8jBlWSWZUzs86eeRfwFZS Meq+vAurkOY/ChYt31B4FTk0DfcdihdVgxsAgRyQ0U+fTy3HsdInDQ6dpgq6k4pS R7Zn4H1dxBrz5AuvorgYJBYRYc7v9MvUxAfR6DVdQ+D0VzMfqiqY0DZcP42lq1/5 r4vjoMVCvFsMNp/ePBJFcTnEoidm+g7ZpqNmSvJT1eVOJJ4CxxAxJGXGScRhuqrs K4p/b1nZaL28pImEGJ27IF5cYoxCE8RIQYkmT+32FkTWzGYh0JX+39CEJK5QgjqY qT5DKvasrJL8Foi4TGAB8pto5PLyEBfRyo3LQpgsksYpWAv0wMs28fgsMzwofU1j 8zh04FFLRgsX62KAmeVpS7FSwzaxeB6pO0VSXt6D6+sEuTyZRZWyEmc8teyHVIes I9jp9XqXw28CrprOJwintsuTIs8s+YCiHuVzva6lHGLICoCl4M4= =PLdX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g-- From nobody Wed Jul 10 11:23:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE3F8120690 for ; 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charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello CoRE, On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 03:30:06PM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > Should there be another document on directory discovery? picking up on the "maybe we want to have a wiki page to collect some ideas", I've started https://github.com/core-wg/resource-directory/wiki/Deployment-scenarios with content from the document and some ad-hoc ideas. Is there any central CoRE wiki page from where I could link to this? Best regards Christian --=20 A beginning is the time for taking the most delicate care that the balances are correct. -- Princess Irulan, Manual of Muad'Dib --mojUlQ0s9EVzWg2t Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEECM1tElX6OodcH7CWOY0REtOkveEFAl0mOVAACgkQOY0REtOk veHOIA/+KXINL4JpFFNq65faH1Ly5ctc4qsWuR8NkaoroCauk/bvy+Gd+ujRgG1G jbOGUSQUuvT800/mwtaFivHF3QNFzwI+mh/HnzuzvxXXN4/JjlSlh2AmIysjp/+z n05flkZ8DaL1keCTE49+aTL+sIIonAP/v0Yh8eSUDQkhMbrZk/kqDAni40XdN7Fs uLnarm7Re5iHYC4Mlw1upZw9fvjJOw8hr9mH5XOZjZnm1y1i7fTkdlO10YFGmBTw w9iFCFCmpPJ7YwZKHsY87/rtjnWTYJX8IfDXXyGhtqSK0gkoOeFAWT4kKu5A7Qs7 wn0l5l6i9Bue6q/e/yWWeUlUdJfn7c0y+Xn7ypWZCLamu2o1u43TzxcuL0sTkWWM 79ppDLOQOrZRFHd/RHpgNvR9Bp6t898Fj8QAe3PXc/kMtGQeFg4HcZ5fA4vj2WoS twdb/WLSQIBWkGMCbpAKHyoAknzH18q3hA+L7AydqQGIbjAhVNOEb2Q7nPg8TMm7 mPQpcHIi3ylEQZVeuzkdmdSPCqSSRPd6qrTb/C0Bo1TtoYCKYZUKCSWYF1sWNH9A KLSkY9pkCXD+wFhA0JCEMLZRzDRbrKZtf6DjNas3nIzOuJoO5tQcdZp9hCB67WbO Tg2h7pEroftsfFfHbEjxdbbYC/4kFkkxI5WnM2NH1ooPsDHgPfk= =qoRL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mojUlQ0s9EVzWg2t-- From nobody Wed Jul 10 12:17:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713DA120147 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 12:17:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.82 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.82 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NEL7qN_2gsl9 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 12:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com (out5-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7704A120143 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 12:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6044221AF2 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:17:52 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=ZPZAdK0Iudwd/b38XETcitli8yFcNE2dUPMQiXulW lc=; b=mwyNh+Q4wcizb8oef9XAyu4OPWJwjhbxhwIRCE5Cee1GTnhETFl/8AAp9 oP3SbS6GykNV0Pyg2KcsGLu5/402wt8Ftd23MYLH5oDGEtdh3mr/ndzzRGTsdqVm JY117UAbb6LDCL3aIS2vMfv+KABQxKRn7P1dmIPC8bLjxPbrqn+8deKmlEwJlx9a ZRQja242hsUYZz/BhZ9MLkr3oKzlIx6WHwKsERY2CvZgD1DAEh0Fy/ADv3KYkLvb 21bMrDklHn+R1w/slGQ9PQF15ukIP5M4gb5JHqjqNI7vXrOpnceNb8zpcr+yc9Rl 88nelKzBke/y3EfNVCB6NJSgoPD5g== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddrgeeigddufeekucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpeffhffvuffkfhggtggugfgjfgesth ekredttderudenucfhrhhomheplfgrihhmvgculfhimhornhgviicuoehjrghimhgvsehi khhirdhfiheqnecuffhomhgrihhnpehivghtfhdrohhrghenucfkphepfeejrddvudelrd dvgeehrddvvddvnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjrghimhgvsehikhhirdhf ihenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Received: from EMB-918HFH01 (37-219-245-222.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi [37.219.245.222]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 15FFF8006A for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 22:17:49 +0300 From: =?utf-8?Q?Jaime=20Jim=C3=A9nez?= To: core@ietf.org Message-ID: <20190710191748.b52qwoctnpvrmcqr@EMB-918HFH01> References: <20190710155939.tay2tpgdqjdrko3c@EMB-918HFH01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20190710155939.tay2tpgdqjdrko3c@EMB-918HFH01> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] WGA call for draft-keranen-core-senml-data-ct-02 X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 19:17:56 -0000 I meant July 17th :) >The call for adoption ends in one week (on July 10th). On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 06:59:39PM +0300, Jaime Jimenez wrote: > Dear CoRE WG, > > We would like to start the call for adoption on draft-keranen-core-senml-data-ct-02. > The draft is short (4 pages),it defines a new field to indicate the content format of the data. > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-keranen-core-senml-data-ct-02 > > We are having the call for adoption on the mailing list and the draft will be discussed during IETF 105. > The call for adoption ends in one week (on July 10th). > > BR, > -- Jaime Jiménez > From nobody Wed Jul 10 12:26:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB931202E5 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 12:26:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.197 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.197 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DNmco424vM6j for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 12:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 10EE6120408 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 12:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.110] (p548DC676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.198.118]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45kThH4jBLz14fk; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 21:26:39 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <20190710191531.GB1406@hephaistos.amsuess.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 21:26:39 +0200 Cc: core X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 584479597.490797-1e1108dd86d0fe3b735df33144b1951e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <42247FF9-EE07-45B4-B071-10838FD55D07@tzi.org> References: <880105127.785171559138207866.JavaMail.nobody@rva2rmd101.webex.com> <20190710191531.GB1406@hephaistos.amsuess.com> To: =?utf-8?Q?Christian_Ams=C3=BCss?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] RD deployment scenarios (was: Webex meeting info: CoRE Virtual Interim) X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 19:26:45 -0000 On Jul 10, 2019, at 21:15, Christian Ams=C3=BCss = wrote: >=20 > Is there any central CoRE wiki page from where I could link to this? I just created https://github.com/core-wg/wiki/wiki (Yes, the repo is called =E2=80=9Cwiki=E2=80=9D and it uses the = =E2=80=9Cwiki=E2=80=9D convention. Clone from https://github.com/core-wg/wiki.wiki.git .) I have added most CoRE teams for write access; if you find you don=E2=80=99= t have write access please tell core-chairs@ietf.org. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Wed Jul 10 12:36:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B12B11201C6 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 12:36:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.198 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.198 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11_kyPSPn6tK for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 12:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2BAA12018F for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 12:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.110] (p548DC676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.198.118]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45kTvv70pdzySQ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 21:36:43 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <20190710174643.GA30791@hephaistos.amsuess.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 21:36:43 +0200 Cc: core X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 584480201.834191-d8a069cd20264d7e7022f82a0bda0f48 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6B0BAE36-74E4-4B31-BC99-E7A0C284AC78@tzi.org> References: <20190710174643.GA30791@hephaistos.amsuess.com> To: =?utf-8?Q?Christian_Ams=C3=BCss?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] Separate formats for fetch and patch (was: WG Last Call of draft-ietf-core-senml-etch-03.txt) X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 19:36:48 -0000 Now in = https://github.com/core-wg/wiki/wiki/On-media-types-for-FETCH-and-(i)PATCH= Great work, thank you! Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Wed Jul 10 15:16:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B5EE12012A; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:16:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DIUrE85WaPy0; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 814CB120241; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Jude (73.180.8.170) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.0.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:16:40 -0700 From: Jim Schaad To: CC: 'core' Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:16:39 -0700 Message-ID: <003901d5376d$27710960$76531c20$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AdU3R0WwUSXHRxh8Sg2AOFV0PmUcNg== Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [73.180.8.170] Archived-At: Subject: [core] WGLC draft-ietf-core-echo-request-tag-05 X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 22:16:52 -0000 Here are some comments: 1. The Abstract needs to say that it updates RFC 7252 - and it would be nice if it summarized what it updated. 2. You can clean up the text dealing with core-object-security 3. In section 2.1 - It is not clear to me why one would use an outer option for the echo option. The inner one would be end-to-end and thus does the freshness thing. What does the outer one do? 4. In section 2.1 (or section 2.2) - There needs to be some text about where the echo options should be reflected in the event that either both inner and outer options are returned or just an outer is returned. Can you use an inner w/o security for a new request? I.e. is the inner echo value considered to be a security value? 5. Not sure if it is permissible for a proxy to modify the request in response to a 4.01 with an echo option or not. Clarification might be useful on this topic. I think I understand the paragraphs about proxies as servers. 6. In section 2.3 - item 1 star 2 - I would think that a server could proactively return an echo option even if the request did not come with one. Thus GET - Content w/ echo - PUT w/ echo 7. In section 2.3 - item 2 - star 2 - s/expect/except/ 8. In section 3 it says that the requests must be integrity protected, but in section 3.1 it says that this may be an outer option and is of class E not class I. (And I recognize that it cannot be class I.) I think that section 3 is probably the incorrect one. 9. I think that section 3.4.1 is missing something, but I have not figure out what it is yet. I'll continue to mull this one over. 10. Section 3.4.2 - I think that it would be reasonable to highlight that two OSCORE blockwise operations meet these conditions as the path is hidden by security. 11. Section 6 - I am having problems with the idea of a forgery of an Echo option, if the option is visible to an attacker why would they need to forge it? 12. Appendix A - I think we have a different definition of forgery for list item 1. I would have labeled this as guessing not forgery. That is probably my security background talking. 13. Appendix A - point 2 - The security is even higher if encryption rather than integrity is used here. jim From nobody Wed Jul 10 16:07:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 814E212025D for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 16:07:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cs.helsinki.fi Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I7TYpWvRXV-A for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 16:07:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from script.cs.helsinki.fi (script.cs.helsinki.fi [128.214.11.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4668612011B for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 16:07:41 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM: Courier DKIM Filter v0.50+pk-2017-10-25 mail.cs.helsinki.fi Thu, 11 Jul 2019 02:07:36 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cs.helsinki.fi; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s= dkim20130528; bh=ApgHNtn4n1sLw11YQH5mXBqTn89g4v5S72fIwr3tspk=; b= OoOxB5m4j40/J+UDlesLnuWsJaMd/Ij5v14z/MRYzLw3uDEhH9uu1/SXZPT1XukJ RB6LGuKSb8Xg8RkWsI14XsoXEKyvGsicvL36DoNKHE3WW1mN6T+huQRWIyPiBRIs 79vH5Jebd6atihVqBWG9xCOQUzN55WkZEXaw4KfMfWE= Received: from hp8x-60 (85-76-35-31-nat.elisa-mobile.fi [85.76.35.31]) (AUTH: PLAIN kojo, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-GCM-SHA384) by mail.cs.helsinki.fi with ESMTPSA; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 02:07:36 +0300 id 00000000005A0054.000000005D266FB8.00001F6E Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 02:07:35 +0300 (EEST) From: Markku Kojo To: core Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (DEB 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="US-ASCII" Archived-At: Subject: [core] New Version Notification for draft-jarvinen-core-fasor-02.txt(fwd) X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 23:07:46 -0000 CoRE WG, we have recently submitted a new version of the FASOR draft that specifies an alternative retransmission timeout and congestion control back off algorithm for the CoAP protocol. This version just refreshes the document and does not introduce any modifications since -01. As discussed by chairs in IETF-104 the next step for this draft is supposed to be the wg adoption call and the authors think that the document is ready for it. Any comments/feedback on the draft is welcome. Thanks, /Markku ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2019 20:28:08 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Markku Kojo , Zhen Cao , Ilpo Jarvinen , Iivo Raitahila Subject: New Version Notification for draft-jarvinen-core-fasor-02.txt A new version of I-D, draft-jarvinen-core-fasor-02.txt has been successfully submitted by Ilpo Jarvinen and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-jarvinen-core-fasor Revision: 02 Title: Fast-Slow Retransmission Timeout and Congestion Control Algorithm for CoAP Document date: 2019-07-07 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 15 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-jarvinen-core-fasor-02.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jarvinen-core-fasor/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jarvinen-core-fasor-02 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-jarvinen-core-fasor Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-jarvinen-core-fasor-02 Abstract: This document specifies an alternative retransmission timeout and congestion control back off algorithm for the CoAP protocol, called Fast-Slow RTO (FASOR). The algorithm specified in this document employs an appropriate and large enough back off of Retransmission Timeout (RTO) as the major congestion control mechanism to allow acquiring unambiguous RTT samples with high probability and to prevent building a persistent queue when retransmitting. The algorithm also aims to retransmit quickly using an accurately managed retransmission timeout when link- errors are occuring, basing RTO calculation on unambiguous round-trip time (RTT) samples. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Jim, G=F6ran and John, thanks for your comments, responses inline: On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 03:16:39PM -0700, Jim Schaad wrote: > 1. The Abstract needs to say that it updates RFC 7252 - and it would be > nice if it summarized what it updated. The abstract says it updates the token processing of CoAP, but did not explicitly mention its RFC. The pending updates now include a literal mention of it, also making idnits a bit less suspicious. > 2. You can clean up the text dealing with core-object-security With great pleasure. As it's now final that OSCORE doesn't normatively reference ERT, a line now has become 'Authors of other documents (e.g. applications of {{RFC8613}}) are invited to mandate this behavior'. John, G=F6ran, do we want to pull [LwM2M] in there as an example? [LwM2M]: https://www.omaspecworks.org/white-paper-lightweight-m2m-1-1/ > 3. In section 2.1 - It is not clear to me why one would use an outer opt= ion > for the echo option. The inner one would be end-to-end and thus does the > freshness thing. What does the outer one do? There are use cases for using Echo as an option in non-OSCORE situations (eg. preventing traffic amplification attacks). When OSCORE traffic passes through intermediaries (say, a reverse proxy), those intermediaries will add Echo options on their own (first answering 4.01 + Echo), prompting the client to create its OSCORE request again with an outer Echo option. In that, the Echo option is similar to the block options in that they can occur around an OSCORE message, and need to be processed on the outside and the inside independently of each other. Like there, a server initiating it would normally set it as an inner option, but the client must process it whereever it is. It may be that we should find terminology more suitable for extension authors than the U/I/E classes ("Start as E, process as either"?), but I don't have a coherent proposal and don't think that this discussion makes sense before we've gathered more experience classifying options. The currently pending changeset includes as a clarification: "OSCORE servers will usually (i.e. for the applications presented here) produce Inner Echo options only, but clients need to process Outer ones (typically generated by intermediaries) as well". > 4. In section 2.1 (or section 2.2) - There needs to be some text about > where the echo options should be reflected in the event that either both > inner and outer options are returned or just an outer is returned. Can y= ou > use an inner w/o security for a new request? I.e. is the inner echo value > considered to be a security value? The inner value is used as authenticated data, for example in receive window recovery. I've added text elaboration on the current wording of "and the Inner and Outer values are independent": "When OSCORE is used, client and server MUST process Inner (Class E use) and Outer (Class U use) Echo options independently. That is, a client MUST NOT echo an Inner response value in an Outer request value or vice versa, and the server MUST NOT accept Echo values from a different class than where it sent it." The case of both being present is rather exotic: that'd happen if the origin server wants freshness, and the proxy adds a preemtive Echo response option (instead of the regular 4.01 with Echo only and no payload at all to curb amplification attacks). I'd consider the above addition sufficient to spend another paragraph on how to handle the presence of both and why that's rare, but can add one if there's disagreement. > 5. Not sure if it is permissible for a proxy to modify the request in > response to a 4.01 with an echo option or not. Clarification might be > useful on this topic. I think I understand the paragraphs about proxies = as > servers. An proxy may reject or modify a request for numerous reasons (eg. unknown Unsafe options, client authentication prerequisites, hop count decrements etc) -- are you asking for the rationale of the proxy's license to inject outer Echo options and to reject forwarding (which we AFAICT haven't provided in other documents), or did I misunderstand? > 6. In section 2.3 - item 1 star 2 - I would think that a server could > proactively return an echo option even if the request did not come with o= ne. > Thus GET - Content w/ echo - PUT w/ echo I agree, generalized the text (John, G=F6ran: or is there any reason not to= ?) Thinking this through does open up the question of abusing Echo for setting "Cookies", though; tracked as [41]. [41]: https://github.com/core-wg/echo-request-tag/issues/41 > 8. In section 3 it says that the requests must be integrity protected, b= ut > in section 3.1 it says that this may be an outer option and is of class E > not class I. (And I recognize that it cannot be class I.) I think that > section 3 is probably the incorrect one. That was probably my "in order to", now saying "The requests must be integrity protected *if they should* protect against interchange of blocks between different message bodies". > 9. I think that section 3.4.1 is missing something, but I have not figure > out what it is yet. I'll continue to mull this one over. Please do, that is a crucial section. > 10. Section 3.4.2 - I think that it would be reasonable to highlight that > two OSCORE blockwise operations meet these conditions as the path is hidd= en > by security. I had thought so initially as well, but given that the different operations carry different OSCORE values (KID, PartIV) contained in every block, they can't be confused anyway. > 11. Section 6 - I am having problems with the idea of a forgery of an Echo > option, if the option is visible to an attacker why would they need to fo= rge > it? An attacker may try to circumvent traffic amplification protection (predicting suitable Echo values w/o being able to intercept the responses). Probably relates to the below "forgery" vs. "guessing". For the other applications, I'm not sure they need to be that strict -- G=F6ran, John, could you respond to this and the below items? > 12. Appendix A - I think we have a different definition of forgery for li= st > item 1. I would have labeled this as guessing not forgery. That is > probably my security background talking. >=20 > 13. Appendix A - point 2 - The security is even higher if encryption rath= er > than integrity is used here. Thanks again for your input, we're processing the resulting changes in [42], except for where other authors are mentioned by name. [42]: https://github.com/core-wg/echo-request-tag/pull/42 Best regards Christian --=20 To use raw power is to make yourself infinitely vulnerable to greater power= s. -- Bene Gesserit axiom --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEECM1tElX6OodcH7CWOY0REtOkveEFAl0nTIwACgkQOY0REtOk veEu2RAAhu8LoLNZa1q3JpvwPsDLCqste8aqW2TbfC3OJxUBjILNRtOVoPbD1IJu IflmPCsn2TBI9urjdIpJZCnYZ3nguSlf3Ka0pign1ZG2Qd67qbfJ+IuIopHkonw3 sjG5lkvvEOoPGsA3Lv4CYsehdngIu230d7hcMZ6trZbiLhXW7DRj2mpKr1BoQx+c SL4DG9bQ2pA5PucMvKgImIcxmx5+J042fSucBqmMRAbQWIjOCS1KDGfTd7KIcu2N USn4tvec8Wqh+xf98K6oOAHMslowgY4vitOzMaWTBiTnegqBaJMA1P1K7S4sZenW 0jCgbU1KrOAHTziAlwlB/6dsElQK/lu8ZBLh9dvsqAGt7Re/w9rHmZty1Ec++z0c sMPCclPqrvB9qzNTc5kETo6mHCJ06fH0hgU4AjYO6PoGf1SkRw+PqcW66BYeeGR9 rzsPDmML/pUKjSRWaLyp1FFm0p0LzdXSg+4OdRsMu07UaZc0lbV1H2vBAKCm8JYa wW5oi1kWnUV7it1VaWQV3Ttmz/EKIQt/eKU2T/S2FbqIUd3Lv+4fFB++NAwNL60z BZaDih1V1FOiISJNFKAtaBtyIdotTfgb8MLzUy28p7/TBM9jAfepPf6Sx2Fyd6N3 w8TwsU83r4TkDSYRZXmyiOnr398v+hOPiiy4sohdAKI3v3BOnII= =aYq/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq-- From nobody Thu Jul 11 08:32:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietf.org Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C5E1201D6; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQJXc2ZUSiAjtBd1lVH15O+XNkYS4AHRR8VqpbLmdkA= X-Originating-IP: [73.96.104.139] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] WGLC draft-ietf-core-echo-request-tag-05 X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 21:14:34 -0000 Christian, et al. -----Original Message----- From: Christian Ams=FCss =20 Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 7:50 AM To: Jim Schaad Cc: draft-ietf-core-echo-request-tag@ietf.org; 'core' Subject: Re: [core] WGLC draft-ietf-core-echo-request-tag-05 Hello Jim, G=F6ran and John, thanks for your comments, responses inline: On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 03:16:39PM -0700, Jim Schaad wrote: > 3. In section 2.1 - It is not clear to me why one would use an outer option > for the echo option. The inner one would be end-to-end and thus does = the > freshness thing. What does the outer one do? There are use cases for using Echo as an option in non-OSCORE situations (eg. preventing traffic amplification attacks). When OSCORE traffic passes through intermediaries (say, a reverse = proxy), those intermediaries will add Echo options on their own (first answering 4.01 + Echo), prompting the client to create its OSCORE request again = with an outer Echo option. In that, the Echo option is similar to the block options in that they = can occur around an OSCORE message, and need to be processed on the outside = and the inside independently of each other. Like there, a server initiating = it would normally set it as an inner option, but the client must process it whereever it is. It may be that we should find terminology more suitable for extension authors than the U/I/E classes ("Start as E, process as either"?), but I don't have a coherent proposal and don't think that this discussion = makes sense before we've gathered more experience classifying options. The currently pending changeset includes as a clarification: "OSCORE = servers will usually (i.e. for the applications presented here) produce Inner = Echo options only, but clients need to process Outer ones (typically = generated by intermediaries) as well". [JLS] Perhaps The Inner option is encrypted and integrity protected between the = endpoints, thus providing the freshness between the ultimate client and server. = The Outer option is used by intermediate entities to provide for hop-by-hop security as described for proxy operations in section 2.3. > 4. In section 2.1 (or section 2.2) - There needs to be some text=20 > about where the echo options should be reflected in the event that=20 > either both inner and outer options are returned or just an outer is=20 > returned. Can you use an inner w/o security for a new request? I.e.=20 > is the inner echo value considered to be a security value? The inner value is used as authenticated data, for example in receive = window recovery. I've added text elaboration on the current wording of "and the Inner and Outer values are independent": "When OSCORE is used, client and server MUST process Inner (Class E use) = and Outer (Class U use) Echo options independently. That is, a client MUST = NOT echo an Inner response value in an Outer request value or vice versa, = and the server MUST NOT accept Echo values from a different class than where = it sent it." The case of both being present is rather exotic: that'd happen if the = origin server wants freshness, and the proxy adds a preemtive Echo response = option (instead of the regular 4.01 with Echo only and no payload at all to = curb amplification attacks). I'd consider the above addition sufficient to = spend another paragraph on how to handle the presence of both and why that's = rare, but can add one if there's disagreement. [JLS] I think that should be sufficient. Now I just need to figure out = how to expose both of them as independent entities in my code. > 5. Not sure if it is permissible for a proxy to modify the request in = > response to a 4.01 with an echo option or not. Clarification might be = > useful on this topic. I think I understand the paragraphs about=20 > proxies as servers. An proxy may reject or modify a request for numerous reasons (eg. = unknown Unsafe options, client authentication prerequisites, hop count = decrements etc) -- are you asking for the rationale of the proxy's license to = inject outer Echo options and to reject forwarding (which we AFAICT haven't provided in other documents), or did I misunderstand? [JLS] No in this case I was thinking about the case of a proxy getting a 4.01 w/ an echo option and then, rather than returning that answer to = the client re-sending the request with the echo option added. I don't think this type of behavior is currently documented anywhere. I am not sure = if the echo option should be added by the proxy just once or potentially multiple times. > 6. In section 2.3 - item 1 star 2 - I would think that a server could = > proactively return an echo option even if the request did not come = with one. > Thus GET - Content w/ echo - PUT w/ echo I agree, generalized the text (John, G=F6ran: or is there any reason not = to?) Thinking this through does open up the question of abusing Echo for = setting "Cookies", though; tracked as [41]. [41]: https://github.com/core-wg/echo-request-tag/issues/41 [JLS] I think that this has opened up for this type of cookie tracking = even without this change. And should be noted in the privacy considerations > 8. In section 3 it says that the requests must be integrity=20 > protected, but in section 3.1 it says that this may be an outer option = > and is of class E not class I. (And I recognize that it cannot be=20 > class I.) I think that section 3 is probably the incorrect one. That was probably my "in order to", now saying "The requests must be integrity protected *if they should* protect against interchange of = blocks between different message bodies". [JLS] I think that cleans things up. > 9. I think that section 3.4.1 is missing something, but I have not=20 > figure out what it is yet. I'll continue to mull this one over. Please do, that is a crucial section. [JLS] Still mulling. > 10. Section 3.4.2 - I think that it would be reasonable to highlight=20 > that two OSCORE blockwise operations meet these conditions as the path = > is hidden by security. I had thought so initially as well, but given that the different = operations carry different OSCORE values (KID, PartIV) contained in every block, = they can't be confused anyway. [JLS] I was referring to doing outer blockwise for OSCORE not inner blockwise. Does that change your opinion? Jim > 11. Section 6 - I am having problems with the idea of a forgery of an=20 > Echo option, if the option is visible to an attacker why would they=20 > need to forge it? An attacker may try to circumvent traffic amplification protection (predicting suitable Echo values w/o being able to intercept the = responses). Probably relates to the below "forgery" vs. "guessing". For the other applications, I'm not sure they need to be that strict -- G=F6ran, John, could you respond to this and the below items? > 12. Appendix A - I think we have a different definition of forgery for = > list item 1. I would have labeled this as guessing not forgery. That = > is probably my security background talking. >=20 > 13. Appendix A - point 2 - The security is even higher if encryption=20 > rather than integrity is used here. Thanks again for your input, we're processing the resulting changes in = [42], except for where other authors are mentioned by name. [42]: https://github.com/core-wg/echo-request-tag/pull/42 Best regards Christian -- To use raw power is to make yourself infinitely vulnerable to greater powers. -- Bene Gesserit axiom From nobody Fri Jul 12 02:23:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietf.org Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A0BB1203C0; Fri, 12 Jul 2019 02:23:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <156292340662.27290.18164552447278718299.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 02:23:26 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [core] The CORE WG has placed draft-keranen-core-senml-data-ct in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 09:23:27 -0000 The CORE WG has placed draft-keranen-core-senml-data-ct in state Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Jaime Jimenez) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-keranen-core-senml-data-ct/ From nobody Fri Jul 12 03:52:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A85C112045C; Fri, 12 Jul 2019 03:52:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.197 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.197 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vcgklAFCDQ-b; Fri, 12 Jul 2019 03:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21F7D1202E1; Fri, 12 Jul 2019 03:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.110] (p548DCE40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.206.64]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45lV9k4QHPzyxN; Fri, 12 Jul 2019 12:52:10 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 12:52:09 +0200 Cc: "draft-ietf-core-multipart-ct@ietf.org" , "core-chairs@ietf.org" , "core@ietf.org" X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 584621528.221221-cf65a0b606b42809af90e4d3ac780211 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <41ABE257-66A5-4606-BCB5-C7DD45D02195@tzi.org> References: <155675554069.2851.9351849772053196736.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <459433ef-5cb5-4c3e-a32e-a5d063b1ccf0@www.fastmail.com> <20190504232153.GA19805@kduck.mit.edu> To: Benjamin Kaduk , Alexey Melnikov , The IESG X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-core-multipart-ct-03: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 10:52:17 -0000 Let me try to add my personal view to this. In the Web, we have a lot of places where we put things into a sequence, = without being too specific about what the semantics of that sequence is. E.g., if I ask for a directory listing in a Web browser, I get a bag = (collection) of file entries, each represented by a file name, other = metadata, and a link. This is not a multipart body, but is just = structured as HTML (and actually could include the linked content via = data URIs). But actually, most directory listers allow me to ask for a specific = sequence, e.g. newest first or alphabetic by filename. There is nothing = in the media type I get back that would explain the chosen semantics, it = is just context from what I clicked on (i.e., the URL in a link put on = table heads). So once I click on =E2=80=9CDate=E2=80=9D, I expect the = sequence to be by change time. (Really nice listers will then tell you = so by a little triangle in the header, but it works without that.) =20 Multipart-core is a similar thing: The basic semantics of the sequence = is a bag (collection), but the context might provide some more specific = semantics that depends on the order in the sequence. Early in the life of this draft we thought we might put this under the = multipart top-level media type. That actually provides multiple = semantics (alternative, mixed, =E2=80=A6) as subtypes. But the = multipart top-level also would have tied us to the MIME multipart = syntax. So we moved this to the application catch-all top-level, = probably not quite in the intent of RFC 2046 (which distinguishes = discrete and composite media types). We also didn=E2=80=99t see much = use for multiple subtypes with different semantics, so we settled for = one media type name: application/multipart-core. (To Mirja=E2=80=99s question: Why is it =E2=80=9Ccore"? CoRE is the = abbreviation for =E2=80=9Cconstrained RESTful environments=E2=80=9D and = expresses that the area of use is constrained environments and thus the = syntax we chose is optimized for that. If we had wanted to introduce a = separate top-level with multiple subtypes, that could have been called = multipart-core/=E2=80=A6 as well.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > On Jul 3, 2019, at 11:08, Thomas Fossati = wrote: >=20 > Hi Ben, Alexey, >=20 > First, apologies for taking so long to reply. >=20 > Second, I am not sure I agree with the core of Ben's DISCUSS. Here's = my > reflections: >=20 > The aim of this is to define a (very) flexible container type capable = of > expressing things like - borrowing from ASN.1 - SEQUENCE, SEQUENCE OF, > SET, SET OF, CHOICE and ANY in a simple and uniform way. >=20 > The main point is it's up to the application that uses multipart-core > to define a) the flavour of aggregation and b) what the embedded > representations mean (see for example [1]) - which, incidentally, is > also what allows the spec to be so compact & lightweight. >=20 > Personally, I think that trying to specialise the container semantics = (a > la mixed / alternative / parallel) is a complication that doesn't add > much value. (Pardon the bluntness, but it seems to me that mimicking > the email application model in this context is a rather futile = exercise > in coherency.) >=20 > Deciding to not restrict the aggregation semantics - at least for me - > is a precise design choice. Note however that we leave the door open > to future or application-specific refinements of the aggregation via > content-format override (see last para of [2]). >=20 > Cheers, thanks! >=20 > [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ace-coap-est-12#section-5.3 > [2] = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-multipart-ct-03#section-1 >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn 05/05/2019, 00:22, "Benjamin Kaduk" wrote: >=20 > On Thu, May 02, 2019 at 03:11:25PM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: >> Hi Alexey, >>=20 >> On May 2, 2019, at 14:40, Alexey Melnikov = wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi Benjamin, >>>=20 >>> On Thu, May 2, 2019, at 1:05 AM, Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker = wrote: >>>=20 >>>> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> DISCUSS: >>>> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>=20 >>>> It's not clear to me that we're really specifying the semantics of = a >>>> single media-type. The introduction discusses how we may want = multiple >>>> representations to appear in a sequence, potentially representing >>>> different content. >>>=20 >>> I think this is similar to multipart/mixed. >>=20 >> We were indeed trying to follow the model of multipart/mixed. >> This offers a number of embedded representations the sequence of = which may or may not be important. >>=20 >>>> Or we may have a set of related representations that >>>> conceptually are the same content (but are they literally the same >>>> resource, or related content?). >>>=20 >>> My understanding is that they are related contents. >>=20 >> There is no promise that the related items are conceptually the same = content. >> The difference between the first situation and the second one mainly = is that the sequence is not important in the second (i.e., we are using = the sequence to describe a bag). >>=20 >>>> And there is yet a third option -- one >>>> that I'm not sure I fully understand -- wherein the representation = is >>>> not important, but rather which format is chosen of the several >>>> possibilities, to the extent that extreme compression of the >>>> representation is possible, with the compression just outputting = the >>>> format indicator. >>>=20 >>> Hmm, I missed that. I think this is similar to multipart/alternative >>=20 >> That wasn=E2=80=99t the intention. >=20 > I think that analogies to multipart/mixed and/or = multipart/alternative > would help the reviewer assess whether the document text succeeds = at > describing the intended behavior (though it's not clear that using = such a > reference to attempt to define the behavior by reference is a = useful plan). >=20 >> The choice in the third situation mentioned in the introduction is = made by the originator of the representation, not the receiver. The = selected representation is still packaged in an = application/multipart-core envelope so the media type does not need to = diverge =E2=80=94 it is essentially used as the (type!) union (a.k.a. = choice) of the media types that the application wants to be able to put = in the envelope. >>=20 >> We may have painted ourselves into a corner in RFC 7641 with the = mandate that the representations provided by an observable resource stay = within the same media type (content-format) over time. This makes it = difficult in CoAP to observe a resource that alternates between a = =E2=80=9Cpending=E2=80=9D and a =E2=80=9Cready=E2=80=9D state that have = different structures of their representation. Multipart-core can be = used to package either into the same media type. >=20 > So while this may not be quite multipart/alternative, there are = still > alternatives involved; they are just delievered in separate = (streamed) > responses, as opposed to together in the same one. That is, the > alternation is over time and not at the choice of the recipient. >=20 >> I don=E2=80=99t think the third situation has semantics that differ = from the first two. >> You still get a bag with a representation in it (or maybe none). You = still need to look into the bag to see what form it takes this time. = Actually, the second situation might also apply, so you might indeed get = a couple representations in certain instances because that=E2=80=99s = what best describes the resource at this particular time. >=20 > I think it's important to be clear about whether the sequencing = within a > given content array is or is not semantically relevant, and under = what > conditions a recipient might only consult a subset of the array > (multipart/alternative) vs. assembling a conglomerate from = components of > different types (multipart/mixed). >=20 > -Ben >=20 >=20 > IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are = confidential and may also be privileged. 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charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 03:47:51PM +0000, Klaus Hartke wrote: > I'm in favor of working on a solution in the CoRE WG for labeling data > in SenML records with content formats. > draft-keranen-core-senml-data-ct-02 looks like a good starting point. +1 Christian --J2SCkAp4GZ/dPZZf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEECM1tElX6OodcH7CWOY0REtOkveEFAl0o6VUACgkQOY0REtOk veH9VQ/+J+167iujk7djqLgbADl9MyncW8k3R/cnNZEveNUhuXQLb7nRsUXXHDAj ztVvdLIeG0mb7KXthTGnJNdhl1DCOharrbuJKCeUxYMrBuX0lbUIfmUmvpKURBoL z8p9SZQ8aJFf1WT9zWL7E1xfpwXa70WrvjZfqUCYEKgzrmxlnTBy00IAxygD2ee0 A9ZS2lbBb1qtamegNzbpsBiMVxaLBV3rkFp+gZ/vhlcaGZWawbKLRqMZBxWV838v FYjt/OFmuAC61M/SMTNJ8jNPqkobnft9jJ+7iWdOgmvr7rPogBQFTJi9BX2dCurf POIg06F7Fbe4BxyXAvW8Vd1rAi6UCkMVctggpGhNGBjTA+y4XXnDqA/3sz2Jy2yO o5UsDfGNXHfb+cz7t1aWLHq7FBBW5FmVwW0wQJ5uqsqnNELjoYN95gGfmJra8g3Z fbnppLqBrZwYbErRrWoWtak608Jr16Rc4m5TMskrYVh5KUFhg/zuEFPtdqHhIspz m3Row/rJKLwSVaLU9LrATiflrxWCIjfxBcZ5i1Gl+DX4p+qVVR63P1WDK8Z+cg00 sw2r4ocBH6y2Unmo7GSwV++lWUR2fdJ3jPPey1UidGa5I4nTrsgjaotrkKJMIlsf ZzwrXryZI6Cmd7wdeK4teBDNZx3QmIlrbCDu2iySTYQaJ2yJ8xQ= =22T2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --J2SCkAp4GZ/dPZZf-- From nobody Fri Jul 12 13:38:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ADFA1203AA for ; 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The YANG Library (RFC 8525) is used by a server to provide a client with details about the YANG modules that are implemented in the server. The draft proposed for adoption is a cut-and-paste-and-replace version of this RFC. The strings used as list keys (e.g., /yang-library/module/name) are replaced by SID values. Other key leafs such as /yang-library/schema/name are replaced by int8 leafs instead of strings. IMO there are better solution approaches, considering that this data structure will be relatively static, and there is a caching mechanism built into RFC 8525 to reduce retrieval of the entire YANG library. It does not seem realistic that a server would have only SIDs installed and no way to get the module names. This is a short list, unlike the list of YANG data nodes. So it should be OK to simply augment the existing module with SID values. If the list key replacements are really needed, then a deviation module could be used by CORECONF (e.g. deviate replace {type-stmt}) instead of a replacement module. I agree it will be important for a CORECONF client to determine the YANG library details for each server. This could be offline data or directly retrievable from the server. The solution need to be resolved by the WG. I support the problem statement by not this solution. Andy Comment: > Till 2019-07-18 > > _______________________________________________ > core mailing list > core@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/core > --0000000000002b0d8f058d826d0c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 8:32 AM IETF = Secretariat <ietf-sec= retariat-reply@ietf.org> wrote:

The CORE WG has placed draft-veillette-core-yang-library in state
Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Carsten Bormann)

The document is available at
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/= draft-veillette-core-yang-library/



I do not know if there = is a clear problem statement presented and agreed upon by the CORE WG yet.<= /div>
The YANG Library (RFC 8525) is used by a server to provide a clie= nt with details about the YANG modules
that are implemented in th= e server.

The draft proposed for adoption is a cut= -and-paste-and-replace version of this RFC.
The strings used as l= ist keys (e.g., /yang-library/module/name) are replaced by SID values.
Other key leafs such as /yang-library/schema/name are replaced by int= 8 leafs instead of strings.

IMO there are better s= olution approaches, considering that this data structure will be
= relatively static, and there is a caching mechanism built into RFC 8525 to = reduce
retrieval of the entire YANG library.

=
It does not seem realistic that a server would have only SIDs installe= d and no way to get the module names.
This is a short list, unlik= e the list of YANG data nodes. So it should be OK to simply augment the exi= sting module
with SID values.=C2=A0 If the list key replacements = are really needed, then a deviation module could be used by CORECONF
<= div>(e.g. deviate replace {type-stmt}) instead of a replacement module.

I agree it will be important for a CORECONF client to= determine the YANG library details for each server.
This could b= e offline data or directly retrievable from the server. The solution need t= o be resolved by the WG.
I support the problem statement by not t= his solution.


Andy



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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AdU6sIbhK5exwbeWQXGBeBgXw3XbbQ== X-Originating-IP: [73.180.8.170] Archived-At: Subject: [core] draft-hartke-t2trg-coral and reef X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 03:04:38 -0000 I have run across the following questions: CoRAL: 1. When applying a dictionary, is the expanded value always treated as a string or is it a typed item. The difference would be if you matched both "0" and 0 when doing the conversion between the representations? This also has implications with respect to doing IRI comparisons for CIRI 2. Are dictionaries applied to each element in a CIRI or just to the CIRI as a whole? 3. I think the answer to this is going to be it does not matter, but does a CIRI need to be made absolute prior to doing the dictionary lookup? The reason why I say this is that it would be really unexpected to have a prefix URI in a dictionary that would match a CIRI as a target where the target is relative to the current node. 3. What happens for a parser if the generator used a newer version of the dictionary than it has? Thus there is an element 22 and I cannot understand it. Reef: 1. Is the Resource Metadata in section 3 missing "reef#ep" ? Looking at some of the examples - has the idea of an endpoint name and a domain just vanished? 2. What is the correct behavior for an attribute such as "obs" when it was set using link format and then retrieved using CoRAL? 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+1

Alexander

On Sat, Jul 13, 2= 019 at 2:11 AM Michael Koster <michaeljohnkoster@gmail.com> wrote:
+1

Michael Koster

> On Jul 10, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Jaime Jim=C3=A9nez <jaime@iki.fi> wrote:
>
> Dear CoRE WG,
>
> We would like to start the call for adoption on draft-keranen-core-sen= ml-data-ct-02.
> The draft is short (4 pages),it defines a new field to indicate the co= ntent format of the data.
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draf= t-keranen-core-senml-data-ct-02
>
> We are having the call for adoption on the mailing list and the draft = will be discussed during IETF 105.
> The call for adoption ends in one week (on July 10th).
>
> BR,
> -- Jaime Jim=C3=A9nez
>
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Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AdU77dE/kVa0urGNS9S+rAlI9Bv4sg== X-Originating-IP: [73.180.8.170] Archived-At: Subject: [core] draft-hartke-t2trg-coral-reef X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 16:22:49 -0000 Looking at doing more implementation work on this - specific the registration side rather than the retrieval side. 1. Looking at section 5.2.5 - "Create Resource Registration" I am going to assume that you are keeping the same command line as what the current document does, but I wonder if a better way to do it would be to use the following as a resource #using rd-unit [ ep "node1" domain "Floor 1" lt 3600 et "LightBar" rd-item [rt "light" ct 0] rd-item [rt "light" ct 0] rd-item [rt "light" ct 0] ] This has the advantage that all of the query parameters are moved into the content which is going to make things easier to have new unknown items show up. I would think that it is just fine to restrict this to a single rd-unit, but for third party registration it might be reasonable to allow multiple rd-units to occur in a single body. 2. A registration update could then have either the same as the content in 1 - or just an array of rd-items. In the first case the attributes associated with the endpoint would replaced - except for the ep and domain attributes, in the second case just the items associated with it would be replaced. 3. If the CoRAL format is used, are the paging attributes still going to be supported to keep the document size down? Does not say anywhere. Jim From nobody Tue Jul 16 10:44:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85498120B8A; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 10:44:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wta286WMM6H3; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 10:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wp382.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp382.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42:1000:50ed:8597::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4124120B86; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 10:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt1-f180.google.com ([209.85.160.180]); authenticated by wp382.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) id 1hnRV7-0004OH-AM; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 19:44:29 +0200 Received: by mail-qt1-f180.google.com with SMTP id h21so20422538qtn.13; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 10:44:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUpxH18PSqqd7ojHLlILQ3yrkTderiAWJ9g9i82i6qTpALXIruP d8fUY0cSJ0pg0ucFh3yX6zZwxerrWtQMWhYuJKw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzLjVphYMR38L5DVziC0HE76Xxko2RqP8ClgYpFsqq4idspcC04XTFj5iDV6bdvtFDbpTmUY+2i8lDNVe7acZM= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:6114:: with SMTP id a20mr23898838qtm.283.1563299068141; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 10:44:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <013501d53aba$04d0f9b0$0e72ed10$@augustcellars.com> In-Reply-To: <013501d53aba$04d0f9b0$0e72ed10$@augustcellars.com> From: Klaus Hartke Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 19:43:52 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Jim Schaad Cc: draft-hartke-t2trg-coral@ietf.org, draft-hartke-t2trg-reef@ietf.org, core Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de; hartke@projectcool.de; 1563299073; 128d591a; X-HE-SMSGID: 1hnRV7-0004OH-AM Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] draft-hartke-t2trg-coral and reef X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 17:44:37 -0000 Hi Jim! > CoRAL: > > 1. When applying a dictionary, is the expanded value always treated as a > string or is it a typed item. The difference would be if you matched both > "0" and 0 when doing the conversion between the representations? The expanded value is a typed item. > 2. Are dictionaries applied to each element in a CIRI or just to the CIRI > as a whole? draft-hartke-t2trg-ciri-03 doesn't make use of dictionaries at all; a CIRI itself cannot refer to a dictionary entry. draft-hartke-t2trg-coral-09 allows you to put a dictionary key in certain places where a whole CIRI is expected. That's how it's currently specified. The current idea is to build up a small repository of real-world examples and then revisit the whole topic of compressing duplications in a CoRAL document. > 3. I think the answer to this is going to be it does not matter, but does a > CIRI need to be made absolute prior to doing the dictionary lookup? The > reason why I say this is that it would be really unexpected to have a prefix > URI in a dictionary that would match a CIRI as a target where the target is > relative to the current node. draft-hartke-t2trg-coral-09 only really tells you what it means when a recipient sees a dictionary key in a document. It's up to the generator to decide how it puts dictionary keys into it. I think it might be useful to have some relative references in the dictionary. For example, I could imagine you might want to link to relative to the current resource. > 3. What happens for a parser if the generator used a newer version of the > dictionary than it has? Thus there is an element 22 and I cannot understand > it. It's indeed undesirable if extending a dictionary with new entries breaks consumers using an older version. This is one of the blocking issues that needs to be solved. I don't have a good idea yet. > Reef: > > 1. Is the Resource Metadata in section 3 missing "reef#ep" ? Looking at > some of the examples - has the idea of an endpoint name and a domain just > vanished? In general, the draft doesn't try yet to exhaustively replicate all the features of draft-ietf-core-resource-directory-23 (due to lack of time mostly). The idea of endpoint name and domain is something that somehow always immediately escapes my mind after reading up on it, so I'd have read up on this again to answer this. > 2. What is the correct behavior for an attribute such as "obs" when it was > set using link format and then retrieved using CoRAL? We should go through the list of known attributes [1] at some point and decide for each how the information should be expressed in CoRAL. The current idea is to define vocabulary that corresponds to these attributes, but not to define a mapping that round-trips in the presence of unknown attributes. For "obs", I guess a link relation type like with a bool as link target would make sense. Klaus [1] https://hackmd.io/AfjWKj7rRDiQl16WSSIa4w?both From nobody Tue Jul 16 10:50:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1785D120BB7; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 10:50:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vt98vtUktMZZ; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 10:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wp382.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp382.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42:1000:50ed:8597::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE21A120BB2; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 10:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk1-f180.google.com ([209.85.222.180]); authenticated by wp382.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) id 1hnRaQ-0001X7-Fj; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 19:49:58 +0200 Received: by mail-qk1-f180.google.com with SMTP id d15so15275986qkl.4; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 10:49:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWqHU+P2JwhhMFly45cwilUf0S35ce7MOYKRGqpLRfueNfeURj1 Ep08xG8FjPu4I39J6YmDvOamzV/DtufAWDpRhjA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxPLAQ7n7PYGaooddbBW3fkLYrYeJWHmoGj4RX7UGgjj70YAfEFhQZre9BNxpeT7BrUF6XnBS78sogYuC2sp0k= X-Received: by 2002:ae9:eb87:: with SMTP id b129mr21649600qkg.453.1563299397451; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 10:49:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <020801d53bf2$ae4353b0$0ac9fb10$@augustcellars.com> In-Reply-To: <020801d53bf2$ae4353b0$0ac9fb10$@augustcellars.com> From: Klaus Hartke Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 19:49:21 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Jim Schaad Cc: draft-hartke-t2trg-coral-reef@ietf.org, core Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de; hartke@projectcool.de; 1563299401; bb1748fb; X-HE-SMSGID: 1hnRaQ-0001X7-Fj Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] draft-hartke-t2trg-coral-reef X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 17:50:04 -0000 Hi Jim! > Looking at doing more implementation work on this =E2=9D=A4=EF=B8=8F=EF=B8=8F:heart: > 1. Looking at section 5.2.5 - "Create Resource Registration" I am going= to > assume that you are keeping the same command line as what the current > document does, but I wonder if a better way to do it would be to use the > following as a resource > > #using > rd-unit [ > ep "node1" > domain "Floor 1" > lt 3600 > et "LightBar" > rd-item [rt "light" ct 0] > rd-item [rt "light" ct 0] > rd-item [rt "light" ct 0] > ] > > This has the advantage that all of the query parameters are moved into th= e > content which is going to make things easier to have new unknown items sh= ow > up. I would think that it is just fine to restrict this to a single > rd-unit, but for third party registration it might be reasonable to allow > multiple rd-units to occur in a single body. > > 2. A registration update could then have either the same as the content = in > 1 - or just an array of rd-items. In the first case the attributes > associated with the endpoint would replaced - except for the ep and domai= n > attributes, in the second case just the items associated with it would be > replaced. Moving query parameters into the content to make it easier to have new unknown items seems like a good idea. I'd have a more general question though: What are really trying to model in our resource directories? Is it really that interesting to model CoAP servers and the CoAP resources hosted by them? Or wouldn't it be much more useful to model light bulbs, light switches and living rooms, or coffee machines, coffee orders and coffee cups -- how they relate to each other and how they can be interacted with using CoAP? (See for related thoughts.) > 3. If the CoRAL format is used, are the paging attributes still going to= be > supported to keep the document size down? Does not say anywhere. If I remember correctly, there was a discussion on this a while ago that came to the conclusion that block-wise transfers might be good enough here. If that's not the case, let's have another discussion. Klaus From nobody Tue Jul 16 11:32:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06AF1120111; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 11:32:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F3qEJ99htI-B; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 11:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 623471200FA; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 11:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Jude (73.180.8.170) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.0.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 11:32:03 -0700 From: Jim Schaad To: 'Klaus Hartke' CC: , 'core' References: <020801d53bf2$ae4353b0$0ac9fb10$@augustcellars.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 11:32:01 -0700 Message-ID: <021501d53c04$c40a1af0$4c1e50d0$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQFlfdfwFSZMS9b3AHi5D0O29aSbmQEfoQKyp6QJ8wA= X-Originating-IP: [73.180.8.170] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] draft-hartke-t2trg-coral-reef X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 18:32:12 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: Klaus Hartke =20 Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 10:49 AM To: Jim Schaad Cc: draft-hartke-t2trg-coral-reef@ietf.org; core Subject: Re: [core] draft-hartke-t2trg-coral-reef Hi Jim! > Looking at doing more implementation work on this =E2=9D=A4=EF=B8=8F=EF=B8=8F:heart: > 1. Looking at section 5.2.5 - "Create Resource Registration" I am=20 > going to assume that you are keeping the same command line as what the = > current document does, but I wonder if a better way to do it would be=20 > to use the following as a resource > > #using > rd-unit [ > ep "node1" > domain "Floor 1" > lt 3600 > et "LightBar" > rd-item [rt "light" ct 0] rd-item [rt=20 > "light" ct 0] rd-item [rt "light" ct 0] ] > > This has the advantage that all of the query parameters are moved into = > the content which is going to make things easier to have new unknown=20 > items show up. I would think that it is just fine to restrict this to = > a single rd-unit, but for third party registration it might be=20 > reasonable to allow multiple rd-units to occur in a single body. > > 2. A registration update could then have either the same as the=20 > content in > 1 - or just an array of rd-items. In the first case the attributes=20 > associated with the endpoint would replaced - except for the ep and=20 > domain attributes, in the second case just the items associated with=20 > it would be replaced. Moving query parameters into the content to make it easier to have new = unknown items seems like a good idea. I'd have a more general question though: What are really trying to model = in our resource directories? Is it really that interesting to model CoAP = servers and the CoAP resources hosted by them? Or wouldn't it be much = more useful to model light bulbs, light switches and living rooms, or = coffee machines, coffee orders and coffee cups -- how they relate to = each other and how they can be interacted with using CoAP? (See = = for related thoughts.) [JLS] I think that it may be true that we want to do this, but I think = that means that we need to think about how that would work in a slightly = different way for other things. However, I think that what I proposed = above is the first step to what you are looking for. You are going = to want to publish the "tree" view of the device to the server which is = basically what I am doing. Just how some of the query functions are = going to work may be a bit different, but I don't know. =20 [JLS] I may just be completely off base however as I likely don't = understand how all of this works with the depth of being able to think = about all of the corner cases very well. Jim > 3. If the CoRAL format is used, are the paging attributes still going = to be > supported to keep the document size down? Does not say anywhere. If I remember correctly, there was a discussion on this a while ago that = came to the conclusion that block-wise transfers might be good enough = here. If that's not the case, let's have another discussion. Klaus From nobody Tue Jul 16 11:37:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34877120D29; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 11:37:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y_S-4yA9T__y; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 11:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 430E6120D27; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 11:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Jude (73.180.8.170) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.0.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 11:37:28 -0700 From: Jim Schaad To: 'Klaus Hartke' CC: , , 'core' References: <013501d53aba$04d0f9b0$0e72ed10$@augustcellars.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 11:37:25 -0700 Message-ID: <021601d53c05$85b4cf60$911e6e20$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQHySTceg/Xa0NbswGdsVEAd9jCrkAKg4fuKpn5wiFA= X-Originating-IP: [73.180.8.170] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] draft-hartke-t2trg-coral and reef X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 18:37:37 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: Klaus Hartke =20 Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 10:44 AM To: Jim Schaad Cc: draft-hartke-t2trg-coral@ietf.org; draft-hartke-t2trg-reef@ietf.org; = core Subject: Re: [core] draft-hartke-t2trg-coral and reef Hi Jim! > CoRAL: > > 1. When applying a dictionary, is the expanded value always treated=20 > as a string or is it a typed item. The difference would be if you=20 > matched both "0" and 0 when doing the conversion between the = representations? The expanded value is a typed item. [JLS] Good that was my guess. > 2. Are dictionaries applied to each element in a CIRI or just to the=20 > CIRI as a whole? draft-hartke-t2trg-ciri-03 doesn't make use of dictionaries at all; a = CIRI itself cannot refer to a dictionary entry. draft-hartke-t2trg-coral-09 allows you to put a dictionary key in = certain places where a whole CIRI is expected. That's how it's currently specified. The current idea is to build up a = small repository of real-world examples and then revisit the whole topic = of compressing duplications in a CoRAL document. > 3. I think the answer to this is going to be it does not matter, but=20 > does a CIRI need to be made absolute prior to doing the dictionary=20 > lookup? The reason why I say this is that it would be really=20 > unexpected to have a prefix URI in a dictionary that would match a=20 > CIRI as a target where the target is relative to the current node. draft-hartke-t2trg-coral-09 only really tells you what it means when a = recipient sees a dictionary key in a document. It's up to the generator = to decide how it puts dictionary keys into it. I think it might be useful to have some relative references in the = dictionary. For example, I could imagine you might want to link to = relative to the current resource. [JLS] One might way that both should be made absolute to the "current = context" and replace only if they then compare. I am not sure that you = want to do the replacement if they are not going to be the same. It may = be that this is not something that makes a practical difference. I will = have to play with this some to figure it out. > 3. What happens for a parser if the generator used a newer version of = > the dictionary than it has? Thus there is an element 22 and I cannot=20 > understand it. It's indeed undesirable if extending a dictionary with new entries = breaks consumers using an older version. This is one of the blocking issues that needs to be solved. I don't have = a good idea yet. [JLS] Neither do I. > Reef: > > 1. Is the Resource Metadata in section 3 missing "reef#ep" ? Looking = > at some of the examples - has the idea of an endpoint name and a=20 > domain just vanished? In general, the draft doesn't try yet to exhaustively replicate all the = features of draft-ietf-core-resource-directory-23 (due to lack of time = mostly). The idea of endpoint name and domain is something that somehow always = immediately escapes my mind after reading up on it, so I'd have read up = on this again to answer this. > 2. What is the correct behavior for an attribute such as "obs" when=20 > it was set using link format and then retrieved using CoRAL? We should go through the list of known attributes [1] at some point and = decide for each how the information should be expressed in CoRAL. The current idea is to define vocabulary that corresponds to these = attributes, but not to define a mapping that round-trips in the presence = of unknown attributes. For "obs", I guess a link relation type like = with a bool as link target would make = sense. [JLS] This matches what I did. That is relations which are not full = URLs are going to be suppressed. Of course I would apply some type of = mapping for known attributes. Jim Klaus [1] https://hackmd.io/AfjWKj7rRDiQl16WSSIa4w?both From nobody Tue Jul 16 12:08:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854DE1201E3; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 12:08:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uwFP_YF9pnT8; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 12:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F7A11201D8; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 12:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Jude (73.180.8.170) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.0.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 12:08:49 -0700 From: Jim Schaad To: 'Klaus Hartke' CC: 'core' , References: <020801d53bf2$ae4353b0$0ac9fb10$@augustcellars.com> <021501d53c04$c40a1af0$4c1e50d0$@augustcellars.com> In-Reply-To: <021501d53c04$c40a1af0$4c1e50d0$@augustcellars.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 12:08:48 -0700 Message-ID: <022101d53c09$e732b550$b5981ff0$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQFlfdfwFSZMS9b3AHi5D0O29aSbmQEfoQKyAhomQaink0mzEA== X-Originating-IP: [73.180.8.170] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] draft-hartke-t2trg-coral-reef X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 19:08:58 -0000 One of the things we are going have to make sure is that if = representations of data can be published to the RD that it does not = become a pub/sub server. Jim -----Original Message----- From: core On Behalf Of Jim Schaad Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 11:32 AM To: 'Klaus Hartke' Cc: 'core' ; draft-hartke-t2trg-coral-reef@ietf.org Subject: Re: [core] draft-hartke-t2trg-coral-reef -----Original Message----- From: Klaus Hartke Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 10:49 AM To: Jim Schaad Cc: draft-hartke-t2trg-coral-reef@ietf.org; core Subject: Re: [core] draft-hartke-t2trg-coral-reef Hi Jim! > Looking at doing more implementation work on this =E2=9D=A4=EF=B8=8F=EF=B8=8F:heart: > 1. Looking at section 5.2.5 - "Create Resource Registration" I am=20 > going to assume that you are keeping the same command line as what the = > current document does, but I wonder if a better way to do it would be=20 > to use the following as a resource > > #using > rd-unit [ > ep "node1" > domain "Floor 1" > lt 3600 > et "LightBar" > rd-item [rt "light" ct 0] rd-item [rt=20 > "light" ct 0] rd-item [rt "light" ct 0] ] > > This has the advantage that all of the query parameters are moved into = > the content which is going to make things easier to have new unknown=20 > items show up. I would think that it is just fine to restrict this to = > a single rd-unit, but for third party registration it might be=20 > reasonable to allow multiple rd-units to occur in a single body. > > 2. A registration update could then have either the same as the=20 > content in > 1 - or just an array of rd-items. In the first case the attributes=20 > associated with the endpoint would replaced - except for the ep and=20 > domain attributes, in the second case just the items associated with=20 > it would be replaced. Moving query parameters into the content to make it easier to have new = unknown items seems like a good idea. I'd have a more general question though: What are really trying to model = in our resource directories? Is it really that interesting to model CoAP = servers and the CoAP resources hosted by them? Or wouldn't it be much = more useful to model light bulbs, light switches and living rooms, or = coffee machines, coffee orders and coffee cups -- how they relate to = each other and how they can be interacted with using CoAP? (See = = for related thoughts.) [JLS] I think that it may be true that we want to do this, but I think = that means that we need to think about how that would work in a slightly = different way for other things. However, I think that what I proposed = above is the first step to what you are looking for. You are going = to want to publish the "tree" view of the device to the server which is = basically what I am doing. Just how some of the query functions are = going to work may be a bit different, but I don't know. =20 [JLS] I may just be completely off base however as I likely don't = understand how all of this works with the depth of being able to think = about all of the corner cases very well. Jim > 3. If the CoRAL format is used, are the paging attributes still going = to be > supported to keep the document size down? Does not say anywhere. If I remember correctly, there was a discussion on this a while ago that = came to the conclusion that block-wise transfers might be good enough = here. If that's not the case, let's have another discussion. Klaus _______________________________________________ core mailing list core@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/core From nobody Tue Jul 16 12:11:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0B71201E3 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 12:11:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.197 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.197 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bpKmHaSqXHVR for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 12:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3063120762 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 12:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.110] (p548DCE40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.206.64]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45p9485Hhwz14ZR; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 21:11:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 584997093.8577321-d1aaf3ec3f241a474e5e4b09aa365638 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 21:11:36 +0200 Message-Id: To: core X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: [core] =?utf-8?q?=F0=9F=94=94_CoRE_Working_Group_Adoption_call_f?= =?utf-8?q?or_draft-hartke-t2trg-coral-09_and_draft-hartke-t2trg-ciri-03?= X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 19:11:47 -0000 In Prague, we said we were going to adopt the two base CoRAL = specifications (which are currently marked as T2TRG drafts) as CoRE = working group items. We didn=E2=80=99t do the validation on the mailing = list yet, which this working group adoption call is about. Among other things, the adoption of these drafts is intended to fill the = hole left when we put draft-ietf-core-links-json on hold. So if you = want to comment on the WG adoption, please also keep this aspect in = mind, even if it could also be handled in a more orthogonal way (which = you could recommend). This starts a one-week working group adoption call. (Normally we wouldn=E2=80=99t run a WG call that partially overlaps an = IETF, but this time there is plenty of opportunity to think about CoRAL = during the IETF, including the hackathon and the side meeting on core = applications before the first of our two WG meetings.) This is a formal call for adoption of draft-hartke-t2trg-coral-09 and = draft-hartke-t2trg-ciri-03 as WG documents of the CoRE WG. If you have read the drafts and support adopting them, please say so. If you see a problem with adopting them as a WG document, please tell = us. For both, remember that WG adoption does not mean that we already have = consensus on all the details(*), just that this is the right working = document to address the issue (and that we should address the issue in = the first place); you are encouraged to mention any issues that you = already know. Please respond to core@ietf.org, or exceptionally to = core-chairs@ietf.org (for off-list comments). This formal WG adoption call runs until the end of July 23rd so we can = pick up the results at the CoRE meeting on July 25th. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten (*) the most bikeshed issue (also relevant for the new draft name) = appears to be whether CIRIs, which aren=E2=80=99t really IRIs that much, = should rather be called CoRIs or maybe CRIs or even something completely = different. Please comment on this most important branding issue under = https://github.com/ektrah/coral/issues/18 if you care. From nobody Tue Jul 16 13:31:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A65D12016B for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 13:31:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jRt2O_j5K8Dg for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 13:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E266E120186 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 13:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Jude (73.180.8.170) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.0.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 13:31:43 -0700 From: Jim Schaad To: 'core' References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 13:31:42 -0700 Message-ID: <022501d53c15$7bbea890$733bf9b0$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQJ/Sn7iOT6VVQKumVHpLfjU9rjC16V5leLg X-Originating-IP: [73.180.8.170] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] =?utf-8?q?=F0=9F=94=94_CoRE_Working_Group_Adoption_call_f?= =?utf-8?q?or_draft-hartke-t2trg-coral-09_and_draft-hartke-t2trg-ciri-03?= X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 20:31:55 -0000 Big +1 - These documents make a lot of sense. -----Original Message----- From: core On Behalf Of Carsten Bormann Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 12:12 PM To: core Subject: [core] =F0=9F=94=94 CoRE Working Group Adoption call for = draft-hartke-t2trg-coral-09 and draft-hartke-t2trg-ciri-03 In Prague, we said we were going to adopt the two base CoRAL = specifications (which are currently marked as T2TRG drafts) as CoRE = working group items. We didn=E2=80=99t do the validation on the mailing = list yet, which this working group adoption call is about. Among other things, the adoption of these drafts is intended to fill the = hole left when we put draft-ietf-core-links-json on hold. So if you = want to comment on the WG adoption, please also keep this aspect in = mind, even if it could also be handled in a more orthogonal way (which = you could recommend). This starts a one-week working group adoption call. (Normally we wouldn=E2=80=99t run a WG call that partially overlaps an = IETF, but this time there is plenty of opportunity to think about CoRAL = during the IETF, including the hackathon and the side meeting on core = applications before the first of our two WG meetings.) This is a formal call for adoption of draft-hartke-t2trg-coral-09 and = draft-hartke-t2trg-ciri-03 as WG documents of the CoRE WG. If you have read the drafts and support adopting them, please say so. If you see a problem with adopting them as a WG document, please tell = us. For both, remember that WG adoption does not mean that we already have = consensus on all the details(*), just that this is the right working = document to address the issue (and that we should address the issue in = the first place); you are encouraged to mention any issues that you = already know. Please respond to core@ietf.org, or exceptionally to = core-chairs@ietf.org (for off-list comments). This formal WG adoption call runs until the end of July 23rd so we can = pick up the results at the CoRE meeting on July 25th. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten (*) the most bikeshed issue (also relevant for the new draft name) = appears to be whether CIRIs, which aren=E2=80=99t really IRIs that much, = should rather be called CoRIs or maybe CRIs or even something completely = different. Please comment on this most important branding issue under = https://github.com/ektrah/coral/issues/18 if you care. _______________________________________________ core mailing list core@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/core From nobody Tue Jul 16 23:45:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 607F912006D for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 23:45:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CSfcbWxWHJeP for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 23:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prometheus.amsuess.com (prometheus.amsuess.com [5.9.147.112]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01A7812016C for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 23:45:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from poseidon-mailhub.amsuess.com (095129206250.cust.akis.net [95.129.206.250]) by prometheus.amsuess.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77DF3455D8; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 08:45:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from poseidon-mailbox.amsuess.com (hermes.amsuess.com [10.13.13.254]) by poseidon-mailhub.amsuess.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F1E336; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 08:45:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hephaistos.amsuess.com (unknown [IPv6:2a02:b18:c13b:8010:254c:277e:e6eb:6acc]) by poseidon-mailbox.amsuess.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 386621BB; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 08:45:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: (nullmailer pid 5113 invoked by uid 1000); Wed, 17 Jul 2019 06:45:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 08:45:34 +0200 From: Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ams=FCss?= To: Carsten Bormann Cc: core Message-ID: <20190717064532.GA31893@hephaistos.amsuess.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] =?utf-8?q?=F0=9F=94=94_CoRE_Working_Group_Adoption_call_f?= =?utf-8?q?or__draft-hartke-t2trg-coral-09_and_draft-hartke-t2trg-ciri-03?= X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 06:45:49 -0000 --y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 09:11:36PM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > This is a formal call for adoption of draft-hartke-t2trg-coral-09 and > draft-hartke-t2trg-ciri-03 as WG documents of the CoRE WG. I've read and implemented earlier versions of both drafts, and fully support WG adoption. 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=?utf-8?q?=F0=9F=94=94_CoRE_Working_Group_Adoption_call_f?= =?utf-8?q?or_draft-hartke-t2trg-coral-09_and_draft-hartke-t2trg-ciri-03?= X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 13:33:19 -0000 --00000000000016df2d058de08904 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, I have reviewed the two documents and support their adoption. Regards, Alexander On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 10:01 AM Ari Ker=C3=A4nen wrote: > I have read both drafts in detail and fully support adopting them. > > Cheers, > Ari > > > On 16 Jul 2019, at 22.12, Carsten Bormann wrote: > > > > In Prague, we said we were going to adopt the two base CoRAL > specifications (which are currently marked as T2TRG drafts) as CoRE worki= ng > group items. We didn=E2=80=99t do the validation on the mailing list yet= , which > this working group adoption call is about. > > > > Among other things, the adoption of these drafts is intended to fill th= e > hole left when we put draft-ietf-core-links-json on hold. So if you want > to comment on the WG adoption, please also keep this aspect in mind, even > if it could also be handled in a more orthogonal way (which you could > recommend). > > > > This starts a one-week working group adoption call. > > (Normally we wouldn=E2=80=99t run a WG call that partially overlaps an = IETF, but > this time there is plenty of opportunity to think about CoRAL during the > IETF, including the hackathon and the side meeting on core applications > before the first of our two WG meetings.) > > > > This is a formal call for adoption of draft-hartke-t2trg-coral-09 and > draft-hartke-t2trg-ciri-03 as WG documents of the CoRE WG. > > If you have read the drafts and support adopting them, please say so. > > If you see a problem with adopting them as a WG document, please tell u= s. > > For both, remember that WG adoption does not mean that we already have > consensus on all the details(*), just that this is the right working > document to address the issue (and that we should address the issue in th= e > first place); you are encouraged to mention any issues that you already > know. > > Please respond to core@ietf.org, or exceptionally to > core-chairs@ietf.org (for off-list comments). > > > > This formal WG adoption call runs until the end of July 23rd so we can > pick up the results at the CoRE meeting on July 25th. > > > > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > > > > (*) the most bikeshed issue (also relevant for the new draft name) > appears to be whether CIRIs, which aren=E2=80=99t really IRIs that much, = should > rather be called CoRIs or maybe CRIs or even something completely > different. Please comment on this most important branding issue under > https://protect2.fireeye.com/url?k=3D580aff0b-04def502-580abf90-86740465f= c08-e4c236255ccab7e3&q=3D1&u=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fektrah%2Fcoral%2F= issues%2F18 > if you care. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > core mailing list > > core@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/core > _______________________________________________ > core mailing list > core@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/core > --00000000000016df2d058de08904 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,

I have reviewed the two docum= ents and support their adoption.

Regards,
Alexander


On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 10:01 AM Ari Ker=C3= =A4nen <ari.keranen@ericsson= .com> wrote:
I have read both drafts in detail and fully support adopting them.

Cheers,
Ari

> On 16 Jul 2019, at 22.12, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
>
> In Prague, we said we were going to adopt the two base CoRAL specifica= tions (which are currently marked as T2TRG drafts) as CoRE working group it= ems.=C2=A0 We didn=E2=80=99t do the validation on the mailing list yet, whi= ch this working group adoption call is about.
>
> Among other things, the adoption of these drafts is intended to fill t= he hole left when we put draft-ietf-core-links-json on hold.=C2=A0 So if yo= u want to comment on the WG adoption, please also keep this aspect in mind,= even if it could also be handled in a more orthogonal way (which you could= recommend).
>
> This starts a one-week working group adoption call.
> (Normally we wouldn=E2=80=99t run a WG call that partially overlaps an= IETF, but this time there is plenty of opportunity to think about CoRAL du= ring the IETF, including the hackathon and the side meeting on core applica= tions before the first of our two WG meetings.)
>
> This is a formal call for adoption of draft-hartke-t2trg-coral-09 and = draft-hartke-t2trg-ciri-03 as WG documents of the CoRE WG.
> If you have read the drafts and support adopting them, please say so.<= br> > If you see a problem with adopting them as a WG document, please tell = us.
> For both, remember that WG adoption does not mean that we already have= consensus on all the details(*), just that this is the right working docum= ent to address the issue (and that we should address the issue in the first= place); you are encouraged to mention any issues that you already know. > Please respond to c= ore@ietf.org, or exceptionally to core-chairs@ietf.org (for off-list comments).
>
> This formal WG adoption call runs until the end of July 23rd so we can= pick up the results at the CoRE meeting on July 25th.
>
> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten
>
> (*) the most bikeshed issue (also relevant for the new draft name) app= ears to be whether CIRIs, which aren=E2=80=99t really IRIs that much, shoul= d rather be called CoRIs or maybe CRIs or even something completely differe= nt.=C2=A0 Please comment on this most important branding issue under https://protec= t2.fireeye.com/url?k=3D580aff0b-04def502-580abf90-86740465fc08-e4c236255cca= b7e3&q=3D1&u=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fektrah%2Fcoral%2Fissues%2= F18 if you care.
>
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Best regards, Ivaylo On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 9:33 AM Alexander Pelov wrote: > Dear all, > > I have reviewed the two documents and support their adoption. > > Regards, > Alexander > > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 10:01 AM Ari Ker=C3=A4nen > wrote: > >> I have read both drafts in detail and fully support adopting them. >> >> Cheers, >> Ari >> >> > On 16 Jul 2019, at 22.12, Carsten Bormann wrote: >> > >> > In Prague, we said we were going to adopt the two base CoRAL >> specifications (which are currently marked as T2TRG drafts) as CoRE work= ing >> group items. We didn=E2=80=99t do the validation on the mailing list ye= t, which >> this working group adoption call is about. >> > >> > Among other things, the adoption of these drafts is intended to fill >> the hole left when we put draft-ietf-core-links-json on hold. So if you >> want to comment on the WG adoption, please also keep this aspect in mind= , >> even if it could also be handled in a more orthogonal way (which you cou= ld >> recommend). >> > >> > This starts a one-week working group adoption call. >> > (Normally we wouldn=E2=80=99t run a WG call that partially overlaps an= IETF, >> but this time there is plenty of opportunity to think about CoRAL during >> the IETF, including the hackathon and the side meeting on core applicati= ons >> before the first of our two WG meetings.) >> > >> > This is a formal call for adoption of draft-hartke-t2trg-coral-09 and >> draft-hartke-t2trg-ciri-03 as WG documents of the CoRE WG. >> > If you have read the drafts and support adopting them, please say so. >> > If you see a problem with adopting them as a WG document, please tell >> us. >> > For both, remember that WG adoption does not mean that we already have >> consensus on all the details(*), just that this is the right working >> document to address the issue (and that we should address the issue in t= he >> first place); you are encouraged to mention any issues that you already >> know. >> > Please respond to core@ietf.org, or exceptionally to >> core-chairs@ietf.org (for off-list comments). >> > >> > This formal WG adoption call runs until the end of July 23rd so we can >> pick up the results at the CoRE meeting on July 25th. >> > >> > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >> > >> > (*) the most bikeshed issue (also relevant for the new draft name) >> appears to be whether CIRIs, which aren=E2=80=99t really IRIs that much,= should >> rather be called CoRIs or maybe CRIs or even something completely >> different. Please comment on this most important branding issue under >> https://protect2.fireeye.com/url?k=3D580aff0b-04def502-580abf90-86740465= fc08-e4c236255ccab7e3&q=3D1&u=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fektrah%2Fcoral%2= Fissues%2F18 >> if you care. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > core mailing list >> > core@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/core >> _______________________________________________ >> core mailing list >> core@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/core >> > _______________________________________________ > core mailing list > core@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/core > --000000000000386495058e21aa1d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,

<= div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:r= gb(11,83,148)">I have reviewed the two documents and I support adopting the= m.

Best regards,
Ivaylo
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On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 9:33 AM Alexander Pelov <a@ackl.io> wrote:
Dear all,

=
I have reviewed the two documents and support their adoption.

Regards,
Alexander

On Wed, J= ul 17, 2019 at 10:01 AM Ari Ker=C3=A4nen <ari.keranen@ericsson..com> wrote:
I have read both d= rafts in detail and fully support adopting them.

Cheers,
Ari

> On 16 Jul 2019, at 22.12, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
>
> In Prague, we said we were going to adopt the two base CoRAL specifica= tions (which are currently marked as T2TRG drafts) as CoRE working group it= ems.=C2=A0 We didn=E2=80=99t do the validation on the mailing list yet, whi= ch this working group adoption call is about.
>
> Among other things, the adoption of these drafts is intended to fill t= he hole left when we put draft-ietf-core-links-json on hold.=C2=A0 So if yo= u want to comment on the WG adoption, please also keep this aspect in mind,= even if it could also be handled in a more orthogonal way (which you could= recommend).
>
> This starts a one-week working group adoption call.
> (Normally we wouldn=E2=80=99t run a WG call that partially overlaps an= IETF, but this time there is plenty of opportunity to think about CoRAL du= ring the IETF, including the hackathon and the side meeting on core applica= tions before the first of our two WG meetings.)
>
> This is a formal call for adoption of draft-hartke-t2trg-coral-09 and = draft-hartke-t2trg-ciri-03 as WG documents of the CoRE WG.
> If you have read the drafts and support adopting them, please say so.<= br> > If you see a problem with adopting them as a WG document, please tell = us.
> For both, remember that WG adoption does not mean that we already have= consensus on all the details(*), just that this is the right working docum= ent to address the issue (and that we should address the issue in the first= place); you are encouraged to mention any issues that you already know. > Please respond to c= ore@ietf.org, or exceptionally to core-chairs@ietf.org (for off-list comments).
>
> This formal WG adoption call runs until the end of July 23rd so we can= pick up the results at the CoRE meeting on July 25th.
>
> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten
>
> (*) the most bikeshed issue (also relevant for the new draft name) app= ears to be whether CIRIs, which aren=E2=80=99t really IRIs that much, shoul= d rather be called CoRIs or maybe CRIs or even something completely differe= nt.=C2=A0 Please comment on this most important branding issue under https://protec= t2.fireeye.com/url?k=3D580aff0b-04def502-580abf90-86740465fc08-e4c236255cca= b7e3&q=3D1&u=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fektrah%2Fcoral%2Fissues%2= F18 if you care.
>
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Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:02:41 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 13:02:39 -0400 Cc: "core@ietf.org" , "t2trg@irtf.org" X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 585507757.877919-a2a2f6c82dfabee01b89fd3001cff556 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Klaus Hartke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] [T2TRG] CoRE Applications side-meeting @IETF105 X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 17:02:46 -0000 On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:44, Klaus Hartke = wrote: >=20 > * Proposal for Pub/Sub Broker Improvements [1] >=20 > [1] https://github.com/core-wg/pubsub/blob/master/proposal.txt Here are a couple of comments I haven=E2=80=99t made yet to the mailing = lists: (1) A subscriber that is waiting for the first Data should observe the = info object? An example might help. (2) So the data link had to be there from the outset (with a 404) so the = publisher can PUT to it? But then it's not a 404, but a 405. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Mon Jul 22 11:12:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A4A1200E3 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:12:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hXFUFhWD6tpu for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wp382.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp382.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42:1000:50ed:8597::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E48F120089 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk1-f169.google.com ([209.85.222.169]); authenticated by wp382.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) id 1hpcnd-0004yk-AW; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 20:12:37 +0200 Received: by mail-qk1-f169.google.com with SMTP id 201so29221353qkm.9 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:12:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXMXcEuvlRgNG1ikGCUht/0fmyTlEKVM1wE71YyU6pT3ohIf7pk Ln4pqE2cyExIARvqSH/E0EIk7SHwaqPIIFvjUGI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxG2t8cEYUbtizCKHWMn85Px7ZHqxghmE1qij/SoWw5siVepKxCD1tuoWqtRAidSGmvYdGxnBlMYbexgwRfoMo= X-Received: by 2002:a37:a346:: with SMTP id m67mr48713033qke.237.1563819156268; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:12:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Klaus Hartke Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 20:11:58 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: "core@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de; hartke@projectcool.de; 1563819160; ce220df0; X-HE-SMSGID: 1hpcnd-0004yk-AW Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] [T2TRG] CoRE Applications side-meeting @IETF105 X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 18:12:44 -0000 (trimming the cc list a bit...) Carsten Bormann wrote: > Here are a couple of comments I haven=E2=80=99t made yet to the mailing l= ists: > > (1) A subscriber that is waiting for the first Data should observe the in= fo object? An example might help. >From the point of view of a subscriber, the idea is that setting up a topic is a two-step process: First, the topic configuration has to be set up, and then the topic data resource has to be created by publishing the first item. While only the first step has been performed, the topic doesn't exist to a subscriber. Topic creators can expedite the creation of the data resource by publishing the first item themselves. > (2) So the data link had to be there from the outset (with a 404) so the = publisher can PUT to it? But then it's not a 404, but a 405. A link can reference a resource that doesn't exist (yet) [1]. I think it's simpler to say that the topic data resource doesn't exist until the first item has been published, rather than that the resource exists but doesn't support GET. But I don't have a strong opinion on this... Klaus [1] " A resource can map to the empty set, which allows references to be made to a concept before any realization of that concept exists" From nobody Mon Jul 22 11:19:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietf.org Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B94D3120089; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:19:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: core@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.99.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: core@ietf.org Message-ID: <156381957567.11320.11336063435382361178@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:19:35 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [core] I-D Action: draft-ietf-core-comi-07.txt X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 18:19:36 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Constrained RESTful Environments WG of the IETF. Title : CoAP Management Interface Authors : Michel Veillette Peter van der Stok Alexander Pelov Andy Bierman Ivaylo Petrov Filename : draft-ietf-core-comi-07.txt Pages : 50 Date : 2019-07-22 Abstract: This document describes a network management interface for constrained devices and networks, called CoAP Management Interface (CoMI). The Constrained Application Protocol (CoAP) is used to access datastore and data node resources specified in YANG, or SMIv2 converted to YANG. CoMI uses the YANG to CBOR mapping and converts YANG identifier strings to numeric identifiers for payload size reduction. The complete solution composed of CoMI, [I-D.ietf-core-yang-cbor] and [I-D.ietf-core-sid] is called CORECONF. CORECONF extends the set of YANG based protocols, NETCONF and RESTCONF, with the capability to manage constrained devices and networks. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-core-comi/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-comi-07 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-core-comi-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-core-comi-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Jul 22 13:39:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietf.org Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275771200DE; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 13:39:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: core@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.99.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: core@ietf.org Message-ID: <156382798108.22771.6081176081544177796@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 13:39:41 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [core] I-D Action: draft-ietf-core-dynlink-10.txt X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 20:39:41 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Constrained RESTful Environments WG of the IETF. Title : Dynamic Resource Linking for Constrained RESTful Environments Authors : Zach Shelby Michael Koster Christian Groves Jintao Zhu Bilhanan Silverajan Filename : draft-ietf-core-dynlink-10.txt Pages : 24 Date : 2019-07-22 Abstract: This specification defines Link Bindings, which provide dynamic linking of state updates between resources, either on an endpoint or between endpoints, for systems using CoAP (RFC7252). This specification also defines Conditional Notification Attributes that work with Link Bindings or with CoAP Observe (RFC7641). Editor note The git repository for the draft is found at https://github.com/core- wg/dynlink The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-core-dynlink/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-dynlink-10 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-core-dynlink-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-core-dynlink-10 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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MX:1; A:1; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: tuni.fi does not designate permitted sender hosts) x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1 x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 1HPE7Knx0erHt5qUHy9K2F3jbyzMzuE6XnNA/HBiD0sPA8mAG41NTqnBmq015pM7y8r4mPMlo1eKQ+514gIvSoAIyPwA5fQCXh0xgRJkP+LP0QqfyS/4UWCV0SuwmSciohC012+BKbm0+nv2zGlCQka3TutFgs+ajNhDzsfGnOpjwXvSeXDAUnPtLa+FpcU1W3gb4fOmaIloEpiWZjIs2lqc4RxifTcu2O1BhinQSKEMN8SWiV+DJiI3ZLprYlvwh7g17UjVsyQc5GDoYvbh9UkGcG1syApoqkGmh/YK48OFYNSUx5tcj81yL/Og81YrCY+z5FAG0HK3CED2IBpYruQLn0BX6VYcfYNWv4BHV0QdXB7K72VK6oF3x7ESewADDdgHXkP8gDlAOBn0ZB4rDUvfw4v5I/0oroszxOVzdWo= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <3E9F6AD3B782474FAC8960B39578E197@tuni.onmicrosoft.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: tuni.fi X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: eb767a8e-7097-4147-0dd8-08d70ee65632 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 22 Jul 2019 20:51:14.6483 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: fa6944af-cc7c-4cd8-9154-c01132798910 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: bilhanan.silverajan@tuni.fi X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DB7PR08MB3068 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] I-D Action: draft-ietf-core-dynlink-10.txt X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 20:51:21 -0000 Hello CoRE WG, A new version of the CoRE Dynlink draft has just been made available for=20 your comments. This is a small delta to the previous version, in which=20 the authors aligned the draft with that of draft-irtf-t2trg-rest-iot by=20 introducing an additional Execute binding method. This discussion=20 occurred between the cutoff date and IETF 105. Best regards, Bill On 22/07/19 23:39, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the Constrained RESTful Environments WG of t= he IETF. > > Title : Dynamic Resource Linking for Constrained RESTf= ul Environments > Authors : Zach Shelby > Michael Koster > Christian Groves > Jintao Zhu > Bilhanan Silverajan > Filename : draft-ietf-core-dynlink-10.txt > Pages : 24 > Date : 2019-07-22 > > Abstract: > This specification defines Link Bindings, which provide dynamic > linking of state updates between resources, either on an endpoint or > between endpoints, for systems using CoAP (RFC7252). This > specification also defines Conditional Notification Attributes that > work with Link Bindings or with CoAP Observe (RFC7641). > > Editor note > > The git repository for the draft is found at https://github.com/core- > wg/dynlink > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-core-dynlink/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-dynlink-10 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-core-dynlink-10 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-core-dynlink-10 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > core mailing list > core@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/core From nobody Tue Jul 23 05:42:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C8C412024E for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 05:42:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kx-g4KUudLBm for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 05:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 948F212013D for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 05:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Jude (31.133.136.216) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.0.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 05:41:52 -0700 From: Jim Schaad To: 'Michael Koster' CC: 'core' References: <92FE42DF-31BF-49FA-A309-AFA1933BCF97@smartthings.com> <009301d53601$23259370$6970ba50$@augustcellars.com> In-Reply-To: <009301d53601$23259370$6970ba50$@augustcellars.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 08:41:48 -0400 Message-ID: <01a901d54154$001e9440$005bbcc0$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQHAyqZRr7ggpAGaGf0p3w2i6qQHVQFRWHropvaGwGA= Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [31.133.136.216] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] CoRE Pub/Sub proposal to resolve the one remaining major issue X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 12:42:05 -0000 Ok - Another item One of the really nice features that the old system had was the ability to have a hierarchy of topics. I think that we may want to change the proposal so that items are created in a tree and not have random names assigned to the topic description node. This would allow for a CoRAL navigation of topics to occur with child nodes being advertised. This is nice not only for the navigation abilities, but even more because it eases the settings of security on topics for creation and assignment of various topics. This would allow for both specifications of "Create is allowed for topic /foo/*" and also allow for some security settings to be propagated down a tree - such as "The ACE group identifier for this node and all child nodes to be BLAH". I don't know if inheritance of attributes is a generally desirable feature but it seems reasonable to me. Jim -----Original Message----- From: core On Behalf Of Jim Schaad Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 10:51 PM To: 'Michael Koster' Cc: 'core' Subject: Re: [core] CoRE Pub/Sub proposal to resolve the one remaining major issue I have a couple of clarifications that I would to get on this proposal: 1. It is not clear from the document, but I assume that the concept of topics as children of topics is still supported. Thus GET is a viable thing. 2. Are we completely dumping link format in favor of CoRAL at this point? This is not something that I would object to I just want to be clear. 3. The picture in the overview and the examples given do not present the same picture. I assume that there does not need to be any link between the path where the data exists and the path for the topic description. It could be a child, as in the picture in the overview, in a parallel tree with the same naming, as in the examples in the document, or it could have a completely different location - including a URL to a different RS. Is this right? Jim From: core On Behalf Of Michael Koster Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 1:42 PM To: core Subject: [core] CoRE Pub/Sub proposal to resolve the one remaining major issue Hi, Klaus, Ari, and I created a proposal to resolve the "empty topic" issue (and others) without using a new status code or multipart content format. Rather than update the draft, which technically requires WG consensus, we decided to publish the proposal and collect review comments between now and Montreal: https://github.com/core-wg/pubsub/blob/master/proposal.txt We will take time at the WISHI hackathon to further refine it, and prepare a summary for the CoRE WG session. We would like implementers in particular to review the proposal. 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The answer is yes, = and there is a note in the security considerations that this needs to be = done carefully.

 

jim

 

From: core <core-bounces@ietf.org> On = Behalf Of Christer Holmberg
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 = 12:20 PM
To: core@ietf.org
Subject: [core] = MULTIPART-CT: Nested multiparts

 

Hi,

 

Can a multipart = contain another multipart?

 

Whatever the answer = is, I think it would be useful to have some text about = it.

 

Regards,

 

Christer

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Peter

Christer Holmberg schreef op 2019-07-23 14:22:

Hi,

 

>The answer is= yes, and there is a note in the security considerations that this needs to= be done carefully.

 

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Adoption By WG Issued" X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 18:52:37 -0000 --0000000000009c916f058e5db139 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 10:13 AM Michel Veillette < Michel.Veillette@trilliant.com> wrote: > Hi Andy > > > > To evaluate the need, or not, of a compact version of ietf-yang-library, > I have created a simple example containing: > > - one datastore > > - one schema > > - one module set > > > > The module set contains the following YANG modules: > > - ietf-interfaces > > - ietf-ip > > - ietf-system > > - iana-hardware > > - my-upgrade-module > > - ietf-yang-types > > - ietf-inet-types > > > > Following is this YANG library implemented using =E2=80=98ietf-yang-libra= ry=E2=80=99 and > encoded in CBOR. > > The resulting size is 642 bytes without any location URIs which are > optional. > > > > { > > 2368 : { > > +8 : [ > > { > > +21 : "set1", > > +10 : [ > > { > > +4 : "ietf-interfaces", > > +6 : "2018-02-20", > > +5 : "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-interfaces" > > }, > > { > > +4 : "ietf-ip", > > +6 : "2018-02-22", > > +5 : "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-ip" > > }, > > { > > +4 : "ietf-system", > > +6 : "2014-08-06", > > +5 : "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-system", > > +2 : ["ntp", "timezone-name", "dns-udp-tcp-port"] > > }, > > { > > +4 : "iana-hardware", > > +6 : "2018-03-13", > > +5 : "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:iana-hardware" > > }, > > { > > +4 : "my-upgrade-module", > > +6 : "2019-07-23", > > +5 : "http://mydomain.com/yang/my-upgrade-module", > > +2 : ["ftp", "coap", "scheduled"] > > } > > ], > > +1 : [ > > { > > +2 : "ietf-yang-types", > > +4 : "2018-02-20", > > +3 : "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-yang-types" > > }, > > { > > +2 : "ietf-inet-types", > > +4 : "2013-07-15", > > +3 : "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-inet-types" > > } > > ] > > } > > ], > > +30 : [ > > { > > +2 : "schema1", > > +1 : ["set1"] > > } > > ], > > +5 : [ > > { > > +1 : "unified", > > +2 : ["schema1"] > > } > > ], > > +4 : "mySensorDataModel" > > } > > } > > > > The same YANG library implemented using =E2=80=98ietf-constrained-yang-li= brary=E2=80=99 > required 183 bytes. > > > > { > > 2368 : { > > +8 : [ > > { > > +21 : 1, > > +10 : [ > > { > > +4 : 1500, > > +6 : h'20180220' > > }, > > { > > +4 : 1600, > > +6 : h'20180222' > > }, > > { > > +4 : 1700, > > +6 : h'20140806', > > +2 : ["ntp", "timezone-name", "dns-udp-tcp-port"] > > }, > > { > > +4 : 2200, > > +6 : h'20180313' > > }, > > { > > +4 : 1005100, > > +6 : h'20190723', > > +2 : ["ftp", "coap", "scheduled"] > > } > > ], > > +1 : [ > > { > > +2 : 1100, > > +4 : h'20180220' > > }, > > { > > +2 : 1150, > > +4 : h'20130715' > > } > > ] > > } > > ], > > +30 : [ > > { > > +2 : 1, > > +1 : [1] > > } > > ], > > +5 : [ > > { > > +1 : "unified", > > +2 : [1] > > } > > ], > > +4 : h'9D373F629E20' > > } > > } > > > > The mandatory namespace field in the original ietf-yang-library, useless > for CoREconf, is the main contributor of this increase in size. Assuming > that a real device have at least 5 time more YANG modules, we can estimat= e > that the non compact version of the YANG library will be around 3 to 4 kB= , > the compact version will be slightly less than 1kB. > > > So what is the size difference if just the XML namespace is removed? > Can we archive the same result with a deviation module instead of a > complete module replacement? > > > Yes deviation /yanglib:yang-library/yanglib:module-set/yanglib:module/yanglib:namespace { deviate replace { mandatory false; } } You could also replace the type-stmt for key leafs you want to change, but this seems like overkill. This data will not change very often. The /yang-library/content-id leaf can be polled or yang-library-change notification can be used. YoT devices will probably have modules hard-wired into firmware so this data can be cached on the client (using content-id). Regards > > Michel > > Andy > > > *From:* Andy Bierman > *Sent:* 22 juillet 2019 20:33 > *To:* Michel Veillette > *Cc:* Carsten Bormann > *Subject:* Re: [core] The CORE WG has placed > draft-veillette-core-yang-library in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issue= d" > > > > Hi, > > > > I don't think it is needed because the client is supposed to know the SID > mappings outside of YANG library. > > This library is likely to be very static on a YoT device. Maybe changing > once per firmware upgrade. > > It does not really need optimized retrieval. > > > > I prefer to keep the models the same between NC/RC and CORECONF. > > The YANG to CBOR solution should include ways to make the message encodin= g > more efficient. > > That way, the same application logic can use whatever protocol operations > are needed, instead of special CORECONF models. > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 5:23 PM Michel Veillette < > Michel.Veillette@trilliant.com> wrote: > > Hi Andy > > > > About =E2=80=9Cdraft-veillette-core-yang-library=E2=80=9D, should we post= pone the working > group adoption of this draft to get more time to work on a different > solution? > > > > I raising this topic because the current CoMI draft ( > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-comi-07#section-6 > ) > have a mandatory reference to it. We either need to change the content of > CoMI or commit to bring ietf-constrained-yang-library to life. > > > > Regards, > > Michel > > > > *From:* Michel Veillette > *Sent:* 15 juillet 2019 10:37 > *To:* Andy Bierman ; IETF Secretariat < > ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org> > *Cc:* draft-veillette-core-yang-library@ietf.org; core-chairs@ietf.org; > Core > *Subject:* RE: [core] The CORE WG has placed > draft-veillette-core-yang-library in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issue= d" > > > > Hi Andy > > > > I effectively see some values in supporting the module names. > > However, these names should be optional leaves and not mandatory keys. > > Simply augmenting the existing =E2=80=9Cietf-yang-library=E2=80=9D will i= ncrease its size, > which makes this solution even less friendly to constrained devices and > networks. > > > > Hope to see you in MTL to discuss these changes, > > Michel > > > > *From:* Andy Bierman > *Sent:* 12 juillet 2019 17:16 > *To:* IETF Secretariat > *Cc:* draft-veillette-core-yang-library@ietf.org; core-chairs@ietf.org; > Core > *Subject:* Re: [core] The CORE WG has placed > draft-veillette-core-yang-library in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issue= d" > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 8:32 AM IETF Secretariat < > ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org> wrote: > > > The CORE WG has placed draft-veillette-core-yang-library in state > Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Carsten Bormann) > > The document is available at > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-veillette-core-yang-library/ > > > > > > > I do not know if there is a clear problem statement presented and agreed > upon by the CORE WG yet. > > The YANG Library (RFC 8525) is used by a server to provide a client with > details about the YANG modules > > that are implemented in the server. > > > > The draft proposed for adoption is a cut-and-paste-and-replace version of > this RFC. > > The strings used as list keys (e.g., /yang-library/module/name) are > replaced by SID values. > > Other key leafs such as /yang-library/schema/name are replaced by int8 > leafs instead of strings. > > > > IMO there are better solution approaches, considering that this data > structure will be > > relatively static, and there is a caching mechanism built into RFC 8525 t= o > reduce > > retrieval of the entire YANG library. > > > > It does not seem realistic that a server would have only SIDs installed > and no way to get the module names. > > This is a short list, unlike the list of YANG data nodes. So it should be > OK to simply augment the existing module > > with SID values. If the list key replacements are really needed, then a > deviation module could be used by CORECONF > > (e.g. deviate replace {type-stmt}) instead of a replacement module. > > > > I agree it will be important for a CORECONF client to determine the YANG > library details for each server. > > This could be offline data or directly retrievable from the server. The > solution need to be resolved by the WG. > > I support the problem statement by not this solution. > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > Comment: > Till 2019-07-18 > > _______________________________________________ > core mailing list > core@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/core > > > --0000000000009c916f058e5db139 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 10:13 AM Mich= el Veillette <Michel.V= eillette@trilliant.com> wrote:

Hi Andy

=C2=A0

To evaluate the need, or not, =C2=A0of a compa= ct version of ietf-yang-library, I have created a simple example containing= :

- one datastore

- one schema

- one module set

=C2=A0

The module set contains the following YANG mod= ules:

- ietf-interfaces

- ietf-ip

- ietf-system

- iana-hardware

- my-upgrade-module

- ietf-yang-types

- ietf-inet-types

=C2=A0

Following is this YANG library implemented usi= ng =E2=80=98ietf-yang-library=E2=80=99 and encoded in CBOR.

The resulting size is 642 bytes without any lo= cation URIs which are optional.

=C2=A0

{

=C2=A0 2368 : {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +8 : [=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 {=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +21= : "set1",

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +10= : [

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 {

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +6 : "2018-02-20",

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +5 : "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-interface= s"

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 },=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0{

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +4 : "ietf-ip",

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +6 : "2018-02-22",

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +5 : "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-ip"<= u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 },

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +4 : "ietf-system",

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +6 : "2014-08-06",

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +5 : "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-system&qu= ot;,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +2 : ["ntp", "timezone-name", &qu= ot;dns-udp-tcp-port"]

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 },

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +4 : "iana-hardware",<= /p>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +6 : "2018-03-13",

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +5 : "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:iana-hardware&= quot;

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 },=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0{

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +4 : "my-upgrade-module",

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +6 : "2019-07-23",

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +5 : "http://mydomain.com/yang/my-upgrade-module",

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +2 : ["ftp", "coap", "schedu= led"]

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 }

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ],<= u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +1 = : [

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +2 : "ietf-yang-types",

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +4 : "2018-02-20",

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +3 : "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-yang-type= s"

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 },

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +2 : "ietf-inet-types",

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +4 : "2013-07-15",

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +3 : "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-inet-type= s"

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 }=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0]

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 }=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ],

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +30 : [

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 {=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +2 = : "schema1",

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +1 = : ["set1"]

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 }=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ],

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +5 : [=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 {=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +1 = : "unified",

=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0+2 = : ["schema1"]

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 }=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ],

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +4 : "mySensorDataMode= l"

=C2=A0 }

}

=C2=A0

The same YANG library implemented using =E2=80= =98ietf-constrained-yang-library=E2=80=99 required 183 bytes.=

=C2=A0

{

=C2=A0 2368 : {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +8 : [=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 {=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +21= : 1,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +10= : [

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +4 : 1500,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +6 : h'20180220'

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 },=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0{

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +4 : 1600,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +6 : h'20180222'

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 },

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +4 : 1700,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +6 : h'20140806',

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +2 : ["ntp", "timezone-name", &qu= ot;dns-udp-tcp-port"]

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 },

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +4 : 2200,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +6 : h'20180313'

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 },=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0{

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +4 : 1005100,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +6 : h'20190723',

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +2 : ["ftp", "coap", "schedu= led"]

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 }

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ],<= u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0+1 = : [

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +2 : 1100,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +4 : h'20180220'

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 },

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +2 : 1150,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +4 : h'20130715'

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 }=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0]

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 }=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ],

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +30 : [

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 {=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +2 = : 1,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +1 = : [1]

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 }=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ],

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +5 : [=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 {=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +1 = : "unified",

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +2 = : [1]

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 }=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ],

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +4 : h'9D373F629E20'= ;

=C2=A0 }

}

=C2=A0

The mandatory namespace field in the original = ietf-yang-library, useless for CoREconf, is the main contributor of this in= crease in size. Assuming that a real device have at least 5 time more YANG modules, we can estimate that the non compact version of the YANG library = will be around 3 to 4 kB, the compact version will be slightly less than 1k= B.

=C2=A0







<= div>notification can be used. YoT devices will probably have modules hard-w= ired into firmware so



=C2=A0

From: Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com>
Sent: 22 juillet 2019 20:33
To: Michel Veillette <Michel.Veillette@trilliant.com>
Cc: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
Subject: Re: [core] The CORE WG has placed draft-veillette-core-yang= -library in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"<= /span>

=C2=A0

Hi,

=C2=A0

I don't think it is needed because the client is= supposed to know the SID mappings outside of YANG library.

This library is likely to be very static on a YoT de= vice. Maybe changing once per firmware upgrade.

It does not really need optimized retrieval.<= u>

=C2=A0

I prefer to keep the models the same between NC/RC a= nd CORECONF.

The YANG to CBOR solution should include ways to mak= e the message encoding more efficient.

That way, the same application logic can use whateve= r protocol operations are needed, instead of special CORECONF models.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Andy

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 5:23 PM Michel Veillette <= ;Michel= .Veillette@trilliant.com> wrote:

Hi Andy

=C2=A0

About =E2=80=9Cdraft-veillette-= core-yang-library=E2=80=9D, should we postpone the working group adoption o= f this draft to get more time to work on a different solution?

=C2=A0

I raising this topic because th= e current CoMI draft (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-comi-07#sectio= n-6) have a mandatory reference to it. We either need to change the content of = CoMI or commit to bring ietf-constrained-yang-library to life.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Michel

=C2=A0

From: Michel Veillette
Sent: 15 juillet 2019 10:37
To: Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com>; IETF Secretariat <ietf-secretari= at-reply@ietf.org>
Cc: draft-veillette-core-yang-libra= ry@ietf.org; core-chairs@ietf.org; Core <<= /span>core@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [core] The CORE WG has placed draft-veillette-core-yang= -library in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"<= u>

=C2=A0

Hi Andy

=C2=A0

I effectively see some values in supporting the modu= le names.

However, these names should be optional leaves and n= ot mandatory keys.

Simply augmenting the existing =E2=80=9Cietf-yang-li= brary=E2=80=9D will increase its size, which makes this solution even less = friendly to constrained devices and networks.

=C2=A0

Hope to see you in MTL to discuss these changes,<= /u>

Michel

=C2=A0

From: Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com>
Sent: 12 juillet 2019 17:16
To: IETF Secretariat <ietf-secretariat-repl= y@ietf.org>
Cc: draft-veillette-core-yang-libra= ry@ietf.org; core-chairs@ietf.org; Core <<= /span>core@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [core] The CORE WG has placed draft-veillette-core-yang= -library in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"<= u>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 8:32 AM IETF Secretariat <= ;ietf-= secretariat-reply@ietf.org> wrote:


The CORE WG has placed draft-veillette-core-yang-library in state
Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Carsten Bormann)

The document is available at
https://= datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-veillette-core-yang-library/

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

I do not know if there is a clear problem statement = presented and agreed upon by the CORE WG yet.

The YANG Library (RFC 8525) is used by a server to p= rovide a client with details about the YANG modules

that are implemented in the server.

=C2=A0

The draft proposed for adoption is a cut-and-paste-a= nd-replace version of this RFC.

The strings used as list keys (e.g., /yang-library/m= odule/name) are replaced by SID values.

Other key leafs such as /yang-library/schema/name ar= e replaced by int8 leafs instead of strings.

=C2=A0

IMO there are better solution approaches, considerin= g that this data structure will be

relatively static, and there is a caching mechanism = built into RFC 8525 to reduce

retrieval of the entire YANG library.<= /p>

=C2=A0

It does not seem realistic that a server would have = only SIDs installed and no way to get the module names.

This is a short list, unlike the list of YANG data n= odes. So it should be OK to simply augment the existing module

with SID values.=C2=A0 If the list key replacements = are really needed, then a deviation module could be used by CORECONF=

(e.g. deviate replace {type-stmt}) instead of a repl= acement module.

=C2=A0

I agree it will be important for a CORECONF client t= o determine the YANG library details for each server.

This could be offline data or directly retrievable f= rom the server. The solution need to be resolved by the WG.

I support the problem statement by not this solution= .

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Andy

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Alexander On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 5:32 PM IETF Secretariat < ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org> wrote: > > The CORE WG has placed draft-veillette-core-yang-library in state > Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Carsten Bormann) > > The document is available at > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-veillette-core-yang-library/ > > Comment: > Till 2019-07-18 > > _______________________________________________ > core mailing list > core@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/core > --000000000000c0a99a058e6088a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,

+1 for this call for adoption.<= br>

Alexander

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On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 5:32 PM IETF Secretariat <ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org&= gt; wrote:

The CORE WG has placed draft-veillette-core-yang-library in state
Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Carsten Bormann)

The document is available at
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/= draft-veillette-core-yang-library/

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X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 19:32:09 -0400 Message-ID: <4643.1563924729@dooku.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] MULTIPART-CT: Nested multiparts X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 23:31:50 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Peter van der Stok wrote: > actually, in the anima-join-proxy draft embedded multipart-ct will ha= ppen You mentioned that, and maybe you are thinking about the returned voucher. But the multipart that I have in the constrained voucher document is HTTPS/MIME multipart from MASA->JRC. It's not CoAP there, it's HTTPS. It contains a PKIX certificate and a constrained voucher. It's multipart rather than putting the validation chain in the unprotected COSE bucket, so that the Registar can use the certificate, but otherwise strip that off so that the large certificate chain can be passed back to the pledge. We have discussed the question of whether we need to return the certificate chain to the pledge (which should have the entire certificate chain built in to firmware) or not. 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draft-ietf-core-oscore-groupcomm-05 X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 12:13:41 -0000 --------------ms070008060207060707090209 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Marco, G=C3=B6ran, Francesca and Jiye, here are some review comments on draft-ietf-core-oscore-groupcomm-05: =3D=3D All document: Update references to OSCORE to point to RFC 8613 =3D=3D 1.1 Why allow collisions between Group Identifiers managed by a single GM? This seems unnecessary and dangerous, is there a good use-case where=20 this is warranted? =3D=3D 2. Why not require the application to prevent collisions between Gids? =3D=3D 2. "If not already stored in the Recipient Context associated to the=20 sender, the recipient retrieves the sender's public key from the Group=20 Manager, which collects public keys upon endpoints' joining the group, = acts as trusted key repository and ensures the correct association=20 between the public key and the identifier of the sender, for instance by = means of public key certificates." Note that this requires a device to have two parallel sessions open (one = with the GM and one on which the message linked to the potentially=20 missing public key. This may not always be feasible on very constrained=20 devices. =3D=3D 2.1. "After a new Gid has been distributed, a same Recipient ID ('kid') should not be considered as a persistent and reliable indicator of the same group member. Such an indication can be actually achieved only by verifying countersignatures of received messages." This is really counter-intuitive and dangerous. Why can identifiers be=20 redistributed within the same group? Shouldn't the GM make sure that the = same identifier is assigned to a group member, even if the security=20 context is updated? If the only reliable identifier is the public key,=20 why not make the sender/recipient ID a hash of that public key? =3D=3D 3. "... with an Authenticated Encryption with Additional Data (AEAD) algorit= hm" AEAD expands to "Authenticated Encryption with Associated Data" =3D=3D 3.1 "The external_aad in the Additional Authenticated Data (AAD) is extended = as follows." As far as I can tell the external_add is not "in" the AAD, it is the=20 AAD, so I'd suggest to rephrase to "The external_aad structure of the=20 Additional Authenticated Data (AAD) ..." =3D=3D 7. "2. [...] Such policies can be enforced locally by the Group Manager, or = by a third party in a trust relation with the Group Manager and=20 entrusted to enforce join policies on behalf of the Group Manager." This feels unnecessary in the context of this document, since it doesn't = deal at all with the how/where/why of the policies governing access to a = group. I would suggest to delete this sentence. =3D=3D 7. "3. Driving the join process to add new endpoints as group members." This sounds weird. What does "driving the process" mean? Perhaps just=20 rephrase to "handle the join process"? =3D=3D 7. "4. Establishing Security Common Contexts ..." This part of the sentence sounds like there is an unintentional word=20 swap. Did you mean "Establishing the Common Context part of the Security = Context"? Note that the term "Security Common Context" appears in several other=20 places throughout the document. =3D=3D 8.3 "... a key management scheme for secure revocation and renewal of=20 Security Contexts and group keying material ..." Isn't the "group keying material" part redundant? If I understood=20 everything correctly it is part of the Security Contexts. =3D=3D 8.4 Second paragraph. If I read this correctly you propose that applications allow recipients to continue using invalid security contexts for a=20 limited time after a security context update. This sounds dangerous and=20 unnecessary. Why would we want to propose such a measure? We could adopt = the equivalent procedure here to the one proposed in the third=20 paragraph, that is "If a sender receives a Security Context update=20 shorty after having sent a message, it can re-send that message using=20 the new Security Context." =3D=3D 8.5 Why would an application even allow non-unique group identifiers? This=20 makes the whole concept of the group identifier useless. Is there a=20 realistic use case where this could happen? Otherwise I suggest removing = this text. =3D=3D 8.9 "Group OSCORE derives the Security Context using the same construction=20 of OSCORE" should be: ...same construction as ... =3D=3D 8.10 "Thus, other that in such unlikely case, it cannot be defined that only=20 messages with sequence number which are equal to previous sequence=20 number + 1 are accepted." I cannot make sense of this sentence, please rephrase, possibly=20 splitting it into several sentences. =3D=3D 8.14 "...this parameter explicitly relate two or more communicating endpoints,= " should be "...explicitly relates two ..." =3D=3D 9.1 and 9.2 Would be nice if there was a sentence or two explaining the difference=20 between the two registries, as it is not immediately obvious. =3D=3D 9.3 "The IANA Registry established in this document is defined" should be "Registries ... are defined" =3D=3D Appendix B 5th bullet The abbreviation LLN should be expanded. =3D=3D Appendix B 6th bullet " The latters may reply back ..." Should be "The latter ..." =3D=3D Appendix B 6th bullet Expand the abbreviation "MPL" Regards, Ludwig --=20 Ludwig Seitz, PhD Security Lab, RISE Phone +46(0)70-349 92 51 --------------ms070008060207060707090209 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCC DT0wggYWMIID/qADAgECAg8BaKlzCTJTye3phLaz/cIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQELBQAwRzELMAkG A1UEBhMCU0UxFDASBgNVBAoMC1RlbGlhU29uZXJhMSIwIAYDVQQDDBlUZWxpYVNvbmVyYSBD bGFzcyAyIENBIHYyMB4XDTE5MDIwMTE0MjUxNVoXDTIxMDIwMTE0MjUxNFowgYsxCzAJBgNV BAYTAlNFMS4wLAYDVQQKDCVSSVNFIFJlc2VhcmNoIEluc3RpdHV0ZXMgb2YgU3dlZGVuIEFC MRUwEwYDVQQDDAxMdWR3aWcgU2VpdHoxEjAQBgNVBAUTCUx1ZHdpZ1NlaTEhMB8GCSqGSIb3 DQEJARYSbHVkd2lnLnNlaXR6QHJpLnNlMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKC AQEAlJNmRfcsto5I/yXrBIi9QroZtfAMttc1Eznv5iPCK++eFUArODhITO7k9rtlQX5D8vYF 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text/plain; charset=US-ASCII During the meeting it was remarked that the presence of the exp parameter implies the existence of the st parameter and vice-versa. The exp parameter is meant for filtering on the presence of exp, as shown in the displayed examples. However, I realize that filtering on st=* is as effective. The document will change accordingly. Peter -- Peter van der Stok vanderstok consultancy mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl www: www.vanderstok.org [1] tel NL: +31(0)492474673 F: +33(0)966015248 Links: ------ [1] http://www.vanderstok.org --=_a8faeb05b5a44404f712c20526eaf72e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 During the meeting it was remarked that the presence of the exp parameter i= mplies the existence of the st parameter
and vice-versa.
The exp = parameter is meant for filtering on the presence of exp, as shown in the di= splayed examples.
However, I realize that filtering on st=3D* is as ef= fective.
The document will change accordingly.

Peter
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--=_a8faeb05b5a44404f712c20526eaf72e-- From nobody Wed Jul 24 05:58:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCCE4120071 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 05:58:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SQfSe-SRoc0j for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 05:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prometheus.amsuess.com (prometheus.amsuess.com [5.9.147.112]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 148FB120058 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 05:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from poseidon-mailhub.amsuess.com (095129206250.cust.akis.net [95.129.206.250]) by prometheus.amsuess.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB52445744; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 14:58:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from poseidon-mailbox.amsuess.com (unknown [IPv6:2a02:b18:c13b:8010:a800:ff:fede:b1bf]) by poseidon-mailhub.amsuess.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E242426; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 14:58:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hephaistos.amsuess.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:370:128:7b7f:12ad:c17b:ddf6]) by poseidon-mailbox.amsuess.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B277074; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 14:58:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: (nullmailer pid 26870 invoked by uid 1000); Wed, 24 Jul 2019 12:58:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 08:58:07 -0400 From: Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ams=FCss?= To: consultancy@vanderstok.org Cc: Core Message-ID: <20190724125805.GA23004@hephaistos.amsuess.com> References: <8cf3459e87b92008d9a24e3656e60b57@bbhmail.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8cf3459e87b92008d9a24e3656e60b57@bbhmail.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] exp parameter in rd-dns-sd X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 12:58:32 -0000 --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > During the meeting it was remarked that the presence of the exp > parameter implies the existence of the st parameter > and vice-versa. There was the idea around years ago that exp would also be considered by "other export mechanisms" that take data from the RD. If other export mechanisms ever show up, they can define their own st=3D equivalent, or describe a more generic "may export mechanism". (So far none have shown up). I agree exp can just be removed from RD-DNS-SD. BR c --=20 To use raw power is to make yourself infinitely vulnerable to greater power= s. -- Bene Gesserit axiom --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEECM1tElX6OodcH7CWOY0REtOkveEFAl04VdcACgkQOY0REtOk veGk2xAAwQ+myHE14ShhERwWbiKTkL3w6S3sqbN/WKnnzB0PdlC30fNw0JoLeDE2 pgf4PMghZxDhIcAyFd8bRnylPtWzrJx3SCw2gsOza8cRwSifZ+SyX3e7Oyj0NfSC uzMfbFjUxqd1gm4IdmyZuHMmnPfXW7VlRMWyjIcNlYJxxlhFjIoNp8Ju6u9So9iz d+2GduAYAP52nyriwnXzdqvj4t6BnGQDQYPuYf9K5LI1P5ytEuUZLIuSm9CMxHsK Xdis/GZ3MU57Pgsb1cGIcFtU09fKUTL8dEUYzf73QZU+D5KYWLJ8IxGaIoNPh13/ 4CyJ80ofU4KRfoDXoBlhhjnwbpVVhXORgTlaPp2QzOyHssc8xxSFgvbrY5lA1DUJ aiL+rOGUR7Zo3uWmjYQdS4PlJN3uwy33p2ZeZVCZ54xznZdka7HRixc8dpWprPOh pkmjZFyBtttI1HZ7xTos1OToU7ZJayKCO9IVL1ppFdvVoZz11eLDFphnUyjIlgfb 0NfrQWTXLCX+2rduXwTqG4MwrT/t+eP5NJwHLZjtsN+NkKEUTM9B/vS8QtRLYMWJ AuLLT/Ig4yF2Sia7ELR+gTBJz3zk/VMIWTRoqN/ZXFk/oLwI0etVHJX2ICSQRo34 IR2vWV1QVmppmu+qhtkPQSFsJDpuEIUP6OlePTCTBgF9BkFE+lE= =9puo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD-- From nobody Wed Jul 24 19:42:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 380181200DB for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 19:42:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VFU7jYY9eBv9 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 19:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [176.58.120.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E886D120090 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 19:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dooku.sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:370:128:6e88:14ff:fe34:93bc]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06AB31F44B; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 02:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dooku.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 0356C1B00; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 22:42:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: core@ietf.org cc: michelle.cotton@icann.org X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 22:42:22 -0400 Message-ID: <16149.1564022542@dooku.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: [core] SID files and IANA X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 02:42:04 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable {Michelle told me to CC her, but I'm not sure if this is the email she want= ed me to use} As https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor/ and https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-core-sid/ approach WGLC, Panos, Peter and I have been wondering in our editing of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher/ we have struggled a bit with the SID generation process. draft-ietf-core-sid says: 6.4.1. Structure Each entry in this registry must include: o The YANG module name. This module name must be present in the "Name" column of the "YANG Module Names" registry. o A link to the associated ".yang" file. This file link must be present in the "File" column of the "YANG Module Names" registry. o The link to the ".sid" file which defines the allocation. o The number of actually allocated SIDs in the ".sid" file. The ".sid" file is stored by IANA. It is this the last part that I think is not well enough defined. 1) How does the file get to IANA? Is it published in the RFC along with the initial YANG module? This clearly only works for YANG modules that come to IANA via RFC, and the SID IANA Considerations makes it clear that SIDs will be allocated via a hierarchial process of mega-ranges. 2) Does the sid file need some kind of advisory locking process, such that only a single internet-draft effort can update things to make bis versions of YANG modules. 3) What is the process going to be to generate SID allocations for existing YANG modules that IANA already has? 4) Clearly we need to get sid.py upstreamed to pyang, and I expect to take another stab at doing this, but we need to take this process into account into when IANA is ready to take allocations. 5) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher/ got two 50 SID ranges from comi.space, in the 1,000,000->2,000,000 space. We'd ask for an early registration, but we can't until the registry is created a) I'd like to know if we are going to allowed to keep this allocation, and if not, I'd like to know now please. b) can we go into the 6.3.3 initial registry? Either with the current allocation, or with a new allocation. c) time is pretty important here... =2D-=20 Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEERK+9HEcJHTJ9UqTMlUzhVv38QpAFAl05Fw4ACgkQlUzhVv38 QpAFjwf8CuHOAVjxFl/gVwmuKDw6vLxKtV4AOy9OcatKM5bIjF2pAVdJnzwC26a5 ImAv3NX8iCbzWsvdD2kwy6wZx8aQ72429nwHildV6E1xU6lsWET8Tprjs5koXZz3 g3SwpxhH73/BqzL/2s9EFT1ZG2jzPH8bL49CvvP0pcO2qKxRvo9WoOGgm/34sBKH CLQ/Z7OgczwBBapyZKntS0prTD5xz6YgtsLgN1x+lmuoZeZZpByBsOmdCo2Oh2IU eIdDi3ZgPxPI966eZ/FSU/Xr698/9j1RJ3C7pu76j1mRJz/C6x4GXqC3/fHqgR/V 04+tmPmNBpR6vITGHaOGUB+y/2vk1A== =Q4a5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed Jul 24 21:36:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietf.org Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D67120046; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:36:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: core@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.99.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: core@ietf.org Message-ID: <156402938218.14555.2886920728521102044@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:36:22 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [core] I-D Action: draft-ietf-core-yang-library-00.txt X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 04:36:23 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Constrained RESTful Environments WG of the IETF. Title : Constrained YANG Module Library Authors : Michel Veillette Ivaylo Petrov Filename : draft-ietf-core-yang-library-00.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2019-07-24 Abstract: This document describes a constrained version of the YANG library that provides information about the YANG modules, datastores, and datastore schemas used by a constrained network management server (e.g., a CORECONF server). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-core-yang-library/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-yang-library-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-core-yang-library-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Jul 24 21:44:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01E3120047; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:44:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.197 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.197 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j5AE29BPapax; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70EA612001E; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-9abf.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-9abf.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.154.191]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45vKNz01sWzylL; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 06:44:02 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <5B9F7D96-8E1D-4B04-8F48-0BD165E28F73@tzi.org> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 00:44:00 -0400 Cc: Netconf , NETMOD WG , yot@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 585722638.705287-ac0762aa85689b1cf8d63e5de1103054 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <5B9F7D96-8E1D-4B04-8F48-0BD165E28F73@tzi.org> To: core X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] =?utf-8?q?=F0=9F=94=94_CoRE_Working_Group_Adoption_call_f?= =?utf-8?q?or_draft-veillette-core-yang-library-05=2Etxt?= X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 04:44:08 -0000 So this was a very thin response on a WG adoption call on the mailing = list, but given the sense of the room on Tuesday, I think we can accept = this as a WG draft. We do have the WG last call as another formal opportunity to stop this = if it turns out this can be done in a way that preserves full = compatibility with RFC 8525. We are now waiting for a final WGLC-ready I-D version of yang-cbor (one = internal author review is outstanding), and then will WGLC the whole = cluster (yang-cbor, sid, comi, core-yang-library) in the CoRE WG with a = CC to the CCs of this mail. This WGLC will not go through without a number of high-quality reviews. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > On Jul 11, 2019, at 09:44, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > RFC 8525 defines a YANG data model for information about the YANG = modules, datastores, and datastore schemas used by a network management = server. This data model is based on string representations of YANG = identifiers. >=20 > To be more useful in a constrained environment (CoRECONF/COMI), it is = useful to have a YANG data model that can employ the efficiency of SIDs = (draft-ietf-core-sid). draft-veillette-core-yang-library-05.txt = provides a straightforward translation of RFC 8525 to SID-based = identification, with some legacy support removed and some other = efficiencies added. This specification complements the three other = CoRECONF specifications draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor, draft-ietf-core-sid, = and draft-ietf-core-comi, which we hope to ship soon. >=20 > This starts a one-week working group adoption call. > This is a formal call for adoption of this draft as a WG document of = the CoRE WG. > If you have read the draft and support adopting it, please say so. > If you see a problem with adopting it as a WG document, please tell = us. > For both, remember that WG adoption does not mean that we already have = consensus on all the details(*), just that this is the right working = document to address the issue (and that we should address the issue in = the first place); you are encouraged to mention any issues that you = already know. >=20 > This WGA call is CCed to the netconf and netmod working groups, as the = expertise about YANG modules is focused there, as well as the = yang-of-things non-WG mailing list. Please respond to core@ietf.org, or = exceptionally to core-chairs@ietf.org (for off-list comments). >=20 > This formal WG adoption call runs until the end of July 18th. >=20 > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 > (*) say, is the module-set index really limited to an 8-bit number? >=20 >=20 >=20 From nobody Wed Jul 24 22:02:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE571201EE for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 22:02:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ericsson.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rTjnE80ZMBic for ; 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I believe that we had agreed with IANA that it is possible to use RFC7120 early allocation process for SID allocation. This means that when there is enough interest and the document is stable enough etc, you can request SID range allocation as described in 6.3. Alternatively, your range can be allocated during IANA consideration review. Now about how your SID file gets to IANA (point 1), my understanding is that you can include your SID file in your document so that it can be added automatically to the IANA registry after the process is followed (expert review, etc). Alternatively, if you want to add your SID file after the RFC is published (your point 3), you should contact IANA with all the necessary information. After an expert review, your allocation could be handled. About your point 2), there is no way to change existing SIDs that has already been published. Now for the file, as it points to a yang module, if there is a new version of the yang file, which is already guarded, I don't see any problem for anyone to request updating of the SID file. This will not change any existing SIDs, just possibly add new ones. For that reason I am not sure locking is needed. Please let me know if you know of a specific case where that might be. Then about your point 4), IANA is not going to do the generation. This is something the authors will have to do I am afraid. The experts will have to verify that this generation is acceptable. Given that draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher is past WGLC, I personally don't see any problem to add it to the initial SID range allocations (sec 6.3.3) with a new range (as IANA is not responsible for the mega range that you have mentioned). That being said, I want to be sure that the SID draft will not be delayed in case that draft is delayed for any reason, so maybe we will need to discuss. Best regards, Ivaylo On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 10:42 PM Michael Richardson wrote: > > {Michelle told me to CC her, but I'm not sure if this is the email she > wanted > me to use} > > As https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor/ > and https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-core-sid/ > > approach WGLC, Panos, Peter and I have been wondering in our editing of > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher/ > > we have struggled a bit with the SID generation process. > > draft-ietf-core-sid says: > 6.4.1. Structure > > Each entry in this registry must include: > > o The YANG module name. This module name must be present in the > "Name" column of the "YANG Module Names" registry. > > o A link to the associated ".yang" file. This file link must be > present in the "File" column of the "YANG Module Names" registry. > > o The link to the ".sid" file which defines the allocation. > > o The number of actually allocated SIDs in the ".sid" file. > > The ".sid" file is stored by IANA. > > > It is this the last part that I think is not well enough defined. > 1) How does the file get to IANA? Is it published in the RFC > along with the initial YANG module? This clearly only > works for YANG modules that come to IANA via RFC, and the SID > IANA Considerations makes it clear that SIDs will be allocated > via a hierarchial process of mega-ranges. > > 2) Does the sid file need some kind of advisory locking process, > such that only a single internet-draft effort can update things > to make bis versions of YANG modules. > > 3) What is the process going to be to generate SID allocations for > existing YANG modules that IANA already has? > > 4) Clearly we need to get sid.py upstreamed to pyang, and I expect to > take another stab at doing this, but we need to take this process > into account into when IANA is ready to take allocations. > > 5) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher/ > got two 50 SID ranges from comi.space, in the 1,000,000->2,000,000 > space. > We'd ask for an early registration, but we can't until the registry > is created > a) I'd like to know if we are going to allowed to keep this allocation, > and if not, I'd like to know now please. > > b) can we go into the 6.3.3 initial registry? Either with the > current allocation, or with a new allocation. > > c) time is pretty important here... > > > -- > Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works > -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- > > > > _______________________________________________ > core mailing list > core@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/core > --000000000000aa1905058e81caf6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Michael,

I am sure Michelle will let us kno= w if that is their understanding as well, but here are my answers.

I believe that we had agreed with IANA that it is = possible to use RFC7120 early allocation process for SID allocation. This m= eans that when there is enough interest and the document is stable enough e= tc, you can request SID range allocation as described in 6.3. Alternatively= , your range can be allocated during IANA consideration review.

Now about how your SID file gets to IANA (point 1), m= y understanding is that you can include your SID file in your document so t= hat it can be added automatically to the IANA registry after the process is= followed (expert review, etc). Alternatively, if you want to add your SID = file after the RFC is published (your point 3), you should contact IANA wit= h all the necessary information. After an expert review, your allocation co= uld be handled.

About your point 2), ther= e is no way to change existing SIDs that has already been published. Now fo= r the file, as it points to a yang module, if there is a new version of the= yang file, which is already guarded, I don't see any problem for anyon= e to request updating of the SID file. This will not change any existing SI= Ds, just possibly add new ones. For that reason I am not sure locking is ne= eded. Please let me know if you know of a specific case where that might be= .=C2=A0

Then about your point 4), IANA is = not going to do the generation. This is something the authors will have to = do I am afraid. The experts will have to verify that this generation is acc= eptable.

Given that draft-ietf-anima-const= rained-voucher is past WGLC, I personally don't see any problem to add = it to the initial SID range allocations (sec 6.3.3) with a new range (as IA= NA is not responsible for the mega range that you have mentioned). That bei= ng said, I want to be sure that the SID draft will not be delayed in case t= hat draft is delayed for any reason, so maybe we will need to discuss.
<= /div>

Best regards,
Ivaylo



On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 10:42 PM Michae= l Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:

{Michelle told me to CC her, but I'm not sure if this is the email she = wanted
me to use}

As https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor/
and https://datatracker.ietf.org/d= oc/draft-ietf-core-sid/

approach WGLC, Panos, Peter and I have been wondering in our editing of
https://datatracker= .ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher/

we have struggled a bit with the SID generation process.

draft-ietf-core-sid says:
6.4.1.=C2=A0 Structure

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Each entry in this registry must include:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 The YANG module name.=C2=A0 This module name must be p= resent in the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "Name" column of the "YANG Module Names= " registry.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 A link to the associated ".yang" file.=C2=A0= This file link must be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 present in the "File" column of the "YA= NG Module Names" registry.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 The link to the ".sid" file which defines th= e allocation.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 The number of actually allocated SIDs in the ".si= d" file.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0The ".sid" file is stored by IANA.


It is this the last part that I think is not well enough defined.
1) How does the file get to IANA?=C2=A0 Is it published in the RFC
=C2=A0 =C2=A0along with the initial YANG module?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This clearly = only
=C2=A0 =C2=A0works for YANG modules that come to IANA via RFC, and the SID<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0IANA Considerations makes it clear that SIDs will be allocated=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0via a hierarchial process of mega-ranges.

2) Does the sid file need some kind of advisory locking process,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0such that only a single internet-draft effort can update thing= s
=C2=A0 =C2=A0to make bis versions of YANG modules.

3) What is the process going to be to generate SID allocations for
=C2=A0 =C2=A0existing YANG modules that IANA already has?

4) Clearly we need to get sid.py upstreamed to pyang, and I expect to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0take another stab at doing this, but we need to take this proc= ess
=C2=A0 =C2=A0into account into when IANA is ready to take allocations.

5) https://datatrac= ker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher/
=C2=A0 =C2=A0got two 50 SID ranges from comi.space, in the 1,000,000->2,= 000,000 space.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0We'd ask for an early registration, but we can't until= the registry
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 is created
=C2=A0 =C2=A0a) I'd like to know if we are going to allowed to keep thi= s allocation,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 and if not, I'd like to know now please.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0b) can we go into the 6.3.3 initial registry?=C2=A0 Either wit= h the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 current allocation, or with a new allocation.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0c) time is pretty important here...


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https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/core<= br> --000000000000aa1905058e81caf6-- From nobody Thu Jul 25 07:58:16 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790FD1201DA for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 07:58:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id brK1jfvcvRwR for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 07:58:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [IPv6:2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:de77]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD99B12023D for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 07:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dooku.sandelman.ca (dhcp-9d9a.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.157.154]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 801E81F44B; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:58:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dooku.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 47B951D76; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 10:58:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: ivaylo petrov cc: core , michelle.cotton@icann.org In-reply-to: References: <16149.1564022542@dooku.sandelman.ca> Comments: In-reply-to ivaylo petrov message dated "Thu, 25 Jul 2019 09:56:15 -0400." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 10:58:32 -0400 Message-ID: <16290.1564066712@dooku.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] SID files and IANA X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:58:15 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As discussed in person, if SID files should be included in documents in the way that YANG files are (wrapped in CODE BEGINS=3D pseudo wrapper), then we need to say that in the document, and we probably need to say tha the file extension should be .sid, and the filename probably should match the yang module filename. ivaylo petrov wrote: > About your point 2), there is no way to change existing SIDs that has > already been published. Now for the file, as it points to a yang > module, if there is a new version of the yang file, which is already > guarded, I don't see any problem for anyone to request updating of the > SID file. This will not change any existing SIDs, just possibly add n= ew > ones. For that reason I am not sure locking is needed. Please let me > know if you know of a specific case where that might be. While existing SID values are not changed, new ones may be allocated, and it is up to the pyang --sid-* to do this against the .sid file, and so the file needs to be available. What is more than one entity does this to a particular module? The locking can occur at the WG level for IETF streams, but there is a goal to support processes in industry that are using SID not directly in IETF protocols. > Then about your point 4), IANA is not going to do the generation. Thi= s is > something the authors will have to do I am afraid. The experts will > have to=20 > verify that this generation is acceptable. Fair enough. > Given that draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher is past WGLC, I draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra is past WGLC, and at the IESG. (That's non-constrained BRSKI) draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher is not yet in WGLC, sadly. > don't see any problem to add it to the initial SID range allocations = (sec > 6.3.3) with a new range (as IANA is not responsible for the mega range > that you have mentioned). That being said, I want to be sure that the > SID draft will not be delayed in case that draft is delayed for any > reason, so maybe we will need to discuss. I would like to ask for a new range in the IANA range, in this document the= n. I need two 50 unit ranges, or a single larger block if you like. =2D-=20 ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh network= s [=20 ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect= [=20 ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails = [=20 =09 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEERK+9HEcJHTJ9UqTMlUzhVv38QpAFAl05w5cACgkQlUzhVv38 QpC4lwf+Lxt6w3895RXEoxkgylNJINJrbhaV079UdJU+tcDYdr6tDUBTV+rFakqc TyvXWPjDQFhdBEx2D/Ip6TwDYsXdedGPOS0epMOSkaeu/45kjHq4223xhKCS6PiO pLlCD/SMt2SmxxlucEsdj+haCA9bDQe34I1UWkXmiP5H1yNEpt9H8Ygog+H1MOMJ IC2BYy0nNTjM9RVFOWT/gPsN408WFkLT+JJbSgN+85hs1XUviEr0BXRCoyECD6DM kBrJaNABSD/RekRO1fl6cw28Z+OLiO//vAsMrdNRQE0X5+4ITHauZGs/9G/cFy0H /AtVDfIJ3EswcE9n1RpXtefEpQWRnw== =7v78 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu Jul 25 14:17:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A361201F8 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:17:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K981WFL4EuTu for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prometheus.amsuess.com (alt.prometheus.amsuess.com [IPv6:2a01:4f8:190:3064::3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62E7B1201F1 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from poseidon-mailhub.amsuess.com (095129206250.cust.akis.net [95.129.206.250]) by prometheus.amsuess.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41D89457EE for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 23:17:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from poseidon-mailbox.amsuess.com (hermes.amsuess.com [10.13.13.254]) by poseidon-mailhub.amsuess.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF0E26 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 23:17:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hephaistos.amsuess.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:370:128:d8db:4d50:3f46:3177]) by poseidon-mailbox.amsuess.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 33828368 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 23:17:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: (nullmailer pid 1613 invoked by uid 1000); Thu, 25 Jul 2019 21:17:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 17:17:07 -0400 From: Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ams=FCss?= To: Core WG mailing list Message-ID: <20190725211704.GA23498@hephaistos.amsuess.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jRHKVT23PllUwdXP" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: [core] CoAP FAQ in the wiki X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 21:17:36 -0000 --jRHKVT23PllUwdXP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello CoRE, as announced on today's WG meeting, I've started collecting frequently asked questions (and definitely nonauthoritative answers) at https://github.com/core-wg/wiki/wiki/CoAP-FAQ and invite participation. The current list draws on questions coming up in the aiocoap issue tracker and on stackoverflow (most questions there are implementation related). If you are confronted with a question on several occasions, please consider adding it even if you don't have a good answer. I think that this can evolve into a place where users reaching places like the LwM2M issue tracker with common misunderstandings can be directed to. Best regards Christian --=20 A beginning is the time for taking the most delicate care that the balances= are correct. -- Princess Irulan, Manual of Muad'Dib --jRHKVT23PllUwdXP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEECM1tElX6OodcH7CWOY0REtOkveEFAl06HEoACgkQOY0REtOk veGyIA//WCXBdjQpVC94/ueh1DQVRuFVfipkWZ1lHOLI94sIcY5VAMR00CxsWfyU QUnftbGc3+J+nG8XAAgInI8DbX+vd70O1A+O4VMZQYZNxiJmCt1HNX6AQ/tRASk0 03mLvatFDOarMybCsiRBhdnv2iJpfmXCyD3rPaJnFvsSeA5Bh7FuW45QbdXHmU/V xWmiV8KXLzrJnM45MOluLzWtErY5XBo2Qh43DEnqm1oHBJKhq0xwu4Fq4+1LBFyA J5Dtr7wHXMpI8xspMcBytznvSGOT0xUrlhP9mmDfUO40+q3jmsKO8Lt2a8ZczUoF yQoNXMBo77ecicFGKijVRRRpD9HU7DSrds4yrA0EMDD6T/+uKk2PxNohlghA8NCN bk6kxgG46OmOi5O7C0qoXgVI8LN8GsQUnImfZoZuF8nojevJ2nXgc6fInMcdwt0p DWs7AWgqld5vOjwJ7ms6sC6GQUHU3HGGv5CTvmgEcU+8cA4b8XDRz3RfyMP/YwVa q5bo4aySZk3sVg9Dvj1jR96baBah2BZXf5LKMRq0uLvkEAiqJrCXNCZmGtOOHCgz eg2pCI8WG53FPU3s9cxyGEvgdGmvnas85aqpkzUFIfBkiKW0kkWu1/b0Arv78Xuj RRMc7q4ptPHpL3gUKpeJyt6hsrT6ZaX0KUYtGCfjyYaUTCfSfWI= =iagB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jRHKVT23PllUwdXP-- From nobody Mon Jul 29 03:15:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E6F120106 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 03:15:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1v-MkgNyXnCz for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 03:15:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prometheus.amsuess.com (alt.prometheus.amsuess.com [IPv6:2a01:4f8:190:3064::3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A0D11200F8 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 03:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from poseidon-mailhub.amsuess.com (095129206250.cust.akis.net [95.129.206.250]) by prometheus.amsuess.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1BEB4587A; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 12:15:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from poseidon-mailbox.amsuess.com (unknown [IPv6:2a02:b18:c13b:8010:a800:ff:fede:b1bf]) by poseidon-mailhub.amsuess.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E16E26; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 12:15:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hephaistos.amsuess.com (unknown [IPv6:2a02:b18:c13b:8010:254c:277e:e6eb:6acc]) by poseidon-mailbox.amsuess.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 41F9361; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 12:15:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: (nullmailer pid 5005 invoked by uid 1000); Mon, 29 Jul 2019 10:15:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 12:15:03 +0200 From: Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ams=FCss?= To: Ari =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ker=E4nen?= , Cullen Jennings Cc: core Message-ID: <20190729101501.GA899@hephaistos.amsuess.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] SenML data ct indication and string content-format values X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 10:15:29 -0000 --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Ari, hello Cullen, On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 05:02:11AM +0000, Ari Ker=E4nen wrote: > [...] field causes problems with some high-speed > data processing systems, automatic parser generators [...] > > "ct": 60 > You would use: > "ct":"60" while I know the argument (and have brought reiterated it myself during ETCH design). As here it leads to a controversial (not going-to-fight-hard, but minor-inconvenience level) design, could you verify that up-to-date tooling still has this problem? Just as to avoid us perpetuating this meme after it has outlived its original purpose. Cullen, I think I remember that you had brought that topic up originally, could you make a brief statement on it? Thanks Christian --=20 To use raw power is to make yourself infinitely vulnerable to greater power= s. -- Bene Gesserit axiom --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEECM1tElX6OodcH7CWOY0REtOkveEFAl0+xyIACgkQOY0REtOk veHVuBAAyaQWai8qCx2DI1mKVibet5td3lV4tv27nbY4MLyyYnGfQwd0zEP52RJe bZdGHA0HQsdnnNAy1kW7gLt3NYEpMh15aslJpd7f6uXnzDh2qEF+b7deKT+HGmpr mRolimKPWLYzj45IdoEsJkWD5yRBaBpu/Zr95UFLDjYWAUZMr7ioU/mkPcVOK3kS BXnbczW6EJpB9ZqjiXJYKH5fwvvgtotoP336Ih+KyQVUZwrrotMoFXAvFJWX6+p/ 6KTi9MplYWYGtJTWHabuH8E7beQYEW9xgYz5RksB1HRh5uYTop7Ii75m2bJoRESS Juj1xzjnqJukmap3n52zCs4/OZ8L3p21PN6TM9ztoAhz5ZxuuWHvJ8CxuH14+mCa 76uMLVPbeXnh70uEYuxn5uSCOpM0wiAwAY2RUuxbG2srya1Gl1y4TZaAOZXo8Y5N Ejy+kMnUwWzJ3/FOp0mNvbDQ+S/mUyqgcPjhXWNG2hkhc/GHvvDF/v1BUPNS/9GK ZUOo0c8iAeKNflnRJ3gLWAuF7XpTh4XFcY+8qrvF8Oe5nxdJdqrJj/X7WFJf10q+ iGrkg2oBrq7YQyUTaQbIHNkxy+egvR1YX3ndA8/du3YfhI/fKwLEB69EOuxTcsLz 7YKDKLDDE9LZ00rMSiC3qSB4lkRQ+7fKcCGuYxxGV9byqGoMO9o= =hqIb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI-- From nobody Mon Jul 29 13:48:28 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1AA120122 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 13:48:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s2IgTRuL-Is5 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 13:48:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF49F12010E for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 13:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8263C3808A; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 16:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E66BBDF; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 16:48:13 -0400 (EDT) To: ivaylo petrov , core@ietf.org References: <16149.1564022542@dooku.sandelman.ca> From: Michael Richardson Message-ID: <9c1398c8-ab50-77e2-9e42-876e91959f0b@sandelman.ca> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 16:48:13 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] SID files and IANA X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 20:48:25 -0000 On 2019-07-25 9:56 a.m., ivaylo petrov wrote: > Given that draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher is past WGLC, I > personally don't see any problem to add it to the initial SID range > allocations (sec 6.3.3) with a new range (as IANA is not responsible for > the mega range that you have mentioned). That being said, I want to be > sure that the SID draft will not be delayed in case that draft is > delayed for any reason, so maybe we will need to discuss. I have opened a github issue against the draft asking for the allocation to be included. I'd like to get the running code updated ASAP with the new values, and we'll have to respin our document and build new sid files. From nobody Mon Jul 29 17:34:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F1B512002E; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 17:34:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dNdZzEN37-kl; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 17:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81CC1120019; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 17:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id A672B3808A; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 20:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2EC4C73; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 20:34:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson to: ivaylo petrov , core@ietf.org, anima@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <9c1398c8-ab50-77e2-9e42-876e91959f0b@sandelman.ca> References: <16149.1564022542@dooku.sandelman.ca> <9c1398c8-ab50-77e2-9e42-876e91959f0b@sandelman.ca> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [core] SID files and IANA X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 00:34:24 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ivaylo wrote: >> Given that draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher is past WGLC, I {mcr: it's not past WGLC} >> personally don't see any problem to add it to the initial SID range >> allocations (sec 6.3.3) with a new range (as IANA is not responsible >> for the mega range that you have mentioned). That being said, I want >> to be sure that the SID draft will not be delayed in case that draft >> is delayed for any reason, so maybe we will need to discuss. Michael Richardson wrote: > I have opened a github issue against the draft asking for the > allocation to be included. I'd like to get the running code updated > ASAP with the new values, and we'll have to respin our document and > build new sid files. I meant to paste this, but I hit send instead: https://github.com/core-wg/yang-cbor/issues/11 =20=20 =2D-=20 Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAl0/kIoACgkQgItw+93Q 3WXCCwgArfY4ywDESbaCQ61WEfMi7oVZxImRFyxxf9WY2VAOUGzi0dWDTp5Vnibr c2HNMid9o2wtnGQtkspdl8aP/7r8AiAeeyQ3EoXxyFsE1yj+g5KOkQlt8S1BCwDR P6J7Un8a+beMFtQNWnfLFrdghgQfVypd5i98ugH8roWUqLQt86TTrDhGIYucWQn5 55weSrOx7E0bycZ8c2bOS9hZQvxfHVT7PPgHxOIbrAu1Vg4t3jT3FEkIbgSG2jN0 +TARjJbmY7di0SCQTgMyrupmseZTWd2AYq5jQcwVybgvgsTTO+zfqHQRZyPWbZki rjbikjT8Umt2VuMIJg7v8tBS8EAWOA== =xwvR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed Jul 31 15:58:19 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: core@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488B3120086 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 15:58:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0hjmgCAKAToB for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 15:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44777120073 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 15:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Jude (73.180.8.170) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.0.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 15:58:10 -0700 From: Jim Schaad To: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 15:58:07 -0700 Message-ID: <01db01d547f3$6c7eec20$457cc460$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AdVH1MWFrssLtTeySba2FHfbLk+63A== X-Originating-IP: [73.180.8.170] Archived-At: Subject: [core] Questions & Comments for PubSub updated Proposal X-BeenThere: core@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Constrained RESTful Environments \(CoRE\) Working Group list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 22:58:18 -0000 I was sitting down to look at trying to update my PubSub implementation to deal with the updated proposal. At this point I don't think I have enough information to progress in terms of getting things done. There are just too many unanswered questions at this point. 1. Attribute Inheritance: I like the idea of doing inheritance because it makes life easier for lots of people. However, just playing with it I ended up needing to be able to decide which attributes are really inherited and which are not. In addition, I needed to figure out which attributes were supposed to deal with the topic and which are to deal with the data. As an example, if you look at attributes dealing with ACL control, there are going to be three different sets of them running around. A) Who can create the topic to begin with, B) Who and update the topic now it is created, and C) Who is permitted to access the data item. These are attacked to three different resources in the design and only two of them (presumably) are inheritable. Another such attribute is lifetime where the lifetime of the topic and the lifetime of the data are going to be different. 2. It is not clear to me if a data node is supposed to be able to provide a CoRAL document for information that relates to it. I am assuming that it is not because otherwise it would not be possible to publish a CoRAL document as the data. 3. Is attribute inheritance live or static? Are the attributes set at creation or if the attributes are changed on the parent are they trickled down? 4. Is there a way for every attribute to say "don't inherit" which I currently assume is that the value would be set to "null". Jim