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Subject: [Dime] Proposed updates to draft-ietf-dime-realm-based-redirect-04
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I would like to make the following changes to 
draft-ietf-dime-realm-based-redirect-04, which needs refreshing in any 
event:

1) Add the use case Ruibing Hao recently described into the first section.

2) Add text describing what a client does when presented with an error 
code other than the DIAMETER_REALM_REDIRECT_INDICATION Result-Code from 
a realm it didn't send a request to. Jouni pointed out that this could 
happen.

3) Make redirection a function of proxies rather than redirect agents, 
because the behaviour is application-specific. Avi Lior made this 
particular point, and I feel more strongly than ever that the point is 
valid. I asked whether I could do this last January, but no one 
responded. Now I'm going to go the other way: silence means consent.

Please comment if you have objections. I will act to meet the expiry 
deadline of July 13 (next Friday).

Tom Taylor

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Dear all, Glen,

Please find below the AD review of draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt

The document is in a good enough shape to be sent to IETF LC.
Please consider my comments together with the other IETF LC comments.

Glen, let me know if you plan on submitting a quick revision soon, or if 
I should send THIS version to the IETF LC (which might lead to redundant 
comment)


- Some idnits
http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt

   Miscellaneous warnings:
   ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

   == The document seems to use 'NOT RECOMMENDED' as an RFC 2119 keyword, but
      does not include the phrase in its RFC 2119 key words list.


   Checking references for intended status: Proposed Standard
   ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

   == Missing Reference: 'BASE' is mentioned on line 219, but not defined

I understand that this is a quote from RFC4005. To avoid the source of 
confusion, here is a proposal

OLD:

       However, the presence of an
       instance of the Acct-Application-Id AVP was required in RFC 4005,
       as well:

          The ACR message [BASE] is sent by the NAS to report its session
          information to a target server downstream.

          Either of Acct-Application-Id or Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
          AVPs MUST be present.  If the Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
          grouped AVP is present, it must have an Acct-Application-Id
          inside.

NEW:

       However, the presence of an
       instance of the Acct-Application-Id AVP was required in RFC 4005,
       which quotes:

          "The ACR message [BASE] is sent by the NAS to report its session
          information to a target server downstream.

          Either of Acct-Application-Id or Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
          AVPs MUST be present.  If the Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
          grouped AVP is present, it must have an Acct-Application-Id
          inside."


- One small improvement
OLD:

    o  The accounting model to be used is now specified.

NEW
    o  The accounting model to be used is now specified. See section 1.6

- Expand on the first ASA occurrence

- Add an point after [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis]

    3.1.  AA-Request (AAR) Command

        The AA-Request (AAR), which is indicated by setting the Command-Code
        field to 265 and the 'R' bit in the Command Flags field, is used to
        request authentication and/or authorization for a given NAS user.
        The type of request is identified through the Auth-Request-Type AVP
        [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis] The recommended value for most situations
        is AUTHORIZE_AUTHENTICATE.

- I could not find the meaning of * in, for example,

                           [ CHAP-Auth ]
                           [ CHAP-Challenge ]
                         * [ Framed-Compression ]
                           [ Framed-Interface-Id ]
                           [ Framed-IP-Address ]
                         * [ Framed-IPv6-Prefix ]
                           [ Framed-IP-Netmask ]
                           [ Framed-MTU ]
                           [ Framed-Protocol ]
                           [ ARAP-Password ]
                           [ ARAP-Security ]
                         * [ ARAP-Security-Data ]
                         * [ Login-IP-Host ]
                         * [ Login-IPv6-Host ]
                           [ Login-LAT-Group ]
                           [ Login-LAT-Node ]
                           [ Login-LAT-Port ]
                           [ Login-LAT-Service ]
                         * [ Tunneling ]
                         * [ Proxy-Info ]
                         * [ Route-Record ]
                         * [ AVP ]

- 3.7.  Abort-Session-Request (ASR) Command

    The Abort-Session-Request (ASR) message [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis]
    may be sent by any server to the NAS providing session service, to
    request that the session identified by the Session-Id be stopped.


By "any Diameter server"?  like in section 3.3 btw.

- IANA Considerations
Do we need to change all the "4005" entries in 
http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml into 
"4005bis"?
Or to be more correct, the new RFC id for 4005bis?

- OLD

    [RADIUSTypes]               IANA, "IANA Radius Attribute Values
                                Registry", <http://www.iana.org/
                                assignments/radius-types-3>.

NEW:
    [RADIUSTypes]               IANA, "IANA Radius Attribute Values
                                Registry", <http://www.iana.org/
                                assignments/radius-types>.


ALTERNATE PROPOSAL

    [RADIUSTypes]               IANA, "IANA Radius Attribute Values
                                Registry", <http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types/radius-types.xml#radius-types-1>.


Regards, Benoit.

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    Dear all, Glen,<br>
    <br>
    Please find below the AD review of
    draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt<br>
    <br>
    The document is in a good enough shape to be sent to IETF LC. <br>
    Please
    consider my comments together with the other IETF LC comments. <br>
    <br>
    Glen, let me know if you plan on submitting a quick revision soon,
    or if I should send THIS version to the IETF LC (which might lead to
    redundant comment)<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    - Some idnits<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt">http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt</a><br>
    <pre>  Miscellaneous warnings:
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

  == The document seems to use 'NOT RECOMMENDED' as an RFC 2119 keyword, but
     does not include the phrase in its RFC 2119 key words list.
</pre>
    <br>
    <pre>  Checking references for intended status: Proposed Standard
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

  == Missing Reference: 'BASE' is mentioned on line 219, but not defined

</pre>
    I understand that this is a quote from RFC4005. To avoid the source
    of confusion, here is a proposal<br>
    <br>
    OLD:<br>
    <pre>      However, the presence of an
      instance of the Acct-Application-Id AVP was required in RFC 4005,
      as well:

         The ACR message [BASE] is sent by the NAS to report its session
         information to a target server downstream.

         Either of Acct-Application-Id or Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
         AVPs MUST be present.  If the Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
         grouped AVP is present, it must have an Acct-Application-Id
         inside.</pre>
    NEW:<br>
    <pre>      However, the presence of an
      instance of the Acct-Application-Id AVP was required in RFC 4005,
      which quotes:

         "The ACR message [BASE] is sent by the NAS to report its session
         information to a target server downstream.

         Either of Acct-Application-Id or Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
         AVPs MUST be present.  If the Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
         grouped AVP is present, it must have an Acct-Application-Id
         inside."</pre>
    <br>
    - One small improvement<br>
    OLD:<br>
    <pre>   o  The accounting model to be used is now specified.

NEW
   o  The accounting model to be used is now specified. See section 1.6

- Expand on the first ASA occurrence

- Add an point after [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis] 
</pre>
    <blockquote>
      <pre>3.1.  AA-Request (AAR) Command

   The AA-Request (AAR), which is indicated by setting the Command-Code
   field to 265 and the 'R' bit in the Command Flags field, is used to
   request authentication and/or authorization for a given NAS user.
   The type of request is identified through the Auth-Request-Type AVP
   [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis] The recommended value for most situations
   is AUTHORIZE_AUTHENTICATE.</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <pre>
- I could not find the meaning of * in, for example,

                          [ CHAP-Auth ]
                          [ CHAP-Challenge ]
                        * [ Framed-Compression ]
                          [ Framed-Interface-Id ]
                          [ Framed-IP-Address ]
                        * [ Framed-IPv6-Prefix ]
                          [ Framed-IP-Netmask ]
                          [ Framed-MTU ]
                          [ Framed-Protocol ]
                          [ ARAP-Password ]
                          [ ARAP-Security ]
                        * [ ARAP-Security-Data ]
                        * [ Login-IP-Host ]
                        * [ Login-IPv6-Host ]
                          [ Login-LAT-Group ]
                          [ Login-LAT-Node ]
                          [ Login-LAT-Port ]
                          [ Login-LAT-Service ]
                        * [ Tunneling ]
                        * [ Proxy-Info ]
                        * [ Route-Record ]
                        * [ AVP ]
</pre>
    <pre>- 3.7.  Abort-Session-Request (ASR) Command

   The Abort-Session-Request (ASR) message [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis]
   may be sent by any server to the NAS providing session service, to
   request that the session identified by the Session-Id be stopped.</pre>
    <br>
    By "any Diameter server"?&nbsp; like in section 3.3 btw.<br>
    <br>
    - IANA Considerations<br>
    Do we need to change all the "4005" entries in
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml">http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml</a>
    into "4005bis"?<br>
    Or to be more correct, the new RFC id for 4005bis?<br>
    <br>
    - OLD<br>
    <pre>   [RADIUSTypes]               IANA, "IANA Radius Attribute Values
                               Registry", <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types-3">&lt;http://www.iana.org/
                               assignments/radius-types-3&gt;</a>.

NEW:
   [RADIUSTypes]               IANA, "IANA Radius Attribute Values
                               Registry", <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types">&lt;http://www.iana.org/
                               assignments/radius-types&gt;</a>.
</pre>
    <br>
    ALTERNATE PROPOSAL<br>
    <pre>   [RADIUSTypes]               IANA, "IANA Radius Attribute Values
                               Registry", <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types/radius-types.xml#radius-types-1">&lt;http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types/radius-types.xml#radius-types-1&gt;</a>.</pre>
    <br>
    Regards, Benoit.<br>
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Hi Benoit,



- I could not find the meaning of * in, for example,



                          [ CHAP-Auth ]

                          [ CHAP-Challenge ]

                        * [ Framed-Compression ]

                          [ Framed-Interface-Id ]

                          [ Framed-IP-Address ]

                        * [ Framed-IPv6-Prefix ]

                          [ Framed-IP-Netmask ]

                          [ Framed-MTU ]

                          [ Framed-Protocol ]

                          [ ARAP-Password ]

                          [ ARAP-Security ]

                        * [ ARAP-Security-Data ]

                        * [ Login-IP-Host ]

                        * [ Login-IPv6-Host ]

                          [ Login-LAT-Group ]

                          [ Login-LAT-Node ]

                          [ Login-LAT-Port ]

                          [ Login-LAT-Service ]

                        * [ Tunneling ]

                        * [ Proxy-Info ]

                        * [ Route-Record ]

                        * [ AVP ]

[[LM]] the < * > in front the AVP means that 0, 1 or more AVP scan be prese=
nt in the request (or in a Grouped AVP). It follows rules used in RFC3588 a=
nd defined in RFC 5234 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5234#section-3.6).



Regards,



Lionel

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<pre><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Benoit,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">- I could not find the meaning of * in, for examp=
le,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>[ CHAP-Auth ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; [ CHAP-Challenge ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Fr=
amed-Compression ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;[ Framed-Interface-Id ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; [ Framed-IP-Address ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Fr=
amed-IPv6-Prefix ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; [ Framed-IP-Netmask ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; [ Framed-MTU ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; [ Framed-Protocol ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; [ ARAP-Password ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; [ ARAP-Security ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ AR=
AP-Security-Data ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Lo=
gin-IP-Host ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Lo=
gin-IPv6-Host ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;[ Login-LAT-Group ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; [ Login-LAT-Node ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; [ Login-LAT-Port ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; [ Login-LAT-Service ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Tu=
nneling ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Pr=
oxy-Info ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;* [ Ro=
ute-Record ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ AV=
P ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><b><i><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">[[LM]] </span></i><=
/b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">the &laquo;&nbsp;*&nbsp;&ra=
quo; in front the AVP means that 0, 1 or more AVP scan be present in the re=
quest (or in a Grouped AVP). It follows rules used in RFC3588 and defined i=
n RFC 5234 (<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5234#section-3.6">http=
://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5234#section-3.6</a>).<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span=
></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Lionel<o:p></o:p></span><=
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Hi Lionel,
> Hi Benoit,
>   
> - I could not find the meaning of * in, for example,
>   
>                            [ CHAP-Auth ]
>                            [ CHAP-Challenge ]
>                          * [ Framed-Compression ]
>                            [ Framed-Interface-Id ]
>                            [ Framed-IP-Address ]
>                          * [ Framed-IPv6-Prefix ]
>                            [ Framed-IP-Netmask ]
>                            [ Framed-MTU ]
>                            [ Framed-Protocol ]
>                            [ ARAP-Password ]
>                            [ ARAP-Security ]
>                          * [ ARAP-Security-Data ]
>                          * [ Login-IP-Host ]
>                          * [ Login-IPv6-Host ]
>                            [ Login-LAT-Group ]
>                            [ Login-LAT-Node ]
>                            [ Login-LAT-Port ]
>                            [ Login-LAT-Service ]
>                          * [ Tunneling ]
>                          * [ Proxy-Info ]
>                          * [ Route-Record ]
>                          * [ AVP ]
> */[[LM]]/*the « * » in front the AVP means that 0, 1 or more AVP scan be present in the request (or in a Grouped AVP). It follows rules used in RFC3588 and defined in RFC 5234 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5234#section-3.6).
>   
BC> Thanks for the education.
Is this so obvious to the Diameter readers, including the newcomers, 
that we don't need to mention it?
In other words, am I the only one NOT knowing this? ;-)

Regards, Benoit.

> Regards,
>   
> Lionel
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        <pre><span lang="EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
        <pre><span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>[ CHAP-Auth ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ CHAP-Challenge ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Framed-Compression ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[ Framed-Interface-Id ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Framed-IP-Address ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Framed-IPv6-Prefix ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Framed-IP-Netmask ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Framed-MTU ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Framed-Protocol ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ ARAP-Password ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ ARAP-Security ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ ARAP-Security-Data ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Login-IP-Host ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Login-IPv6-Host ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[ Login-LAT-Group ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Login-LAT-Node ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Login-LAT-Port ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Login-LAT-Service ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Tunneling ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Proxy-Info ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;* [ Route-Record ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ AVP ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre><b><i><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">[[LM]] </span></i></b><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">the &laquo;&nbsp;*&nbsp;&raquo; in front the AVP means that 0, 1 or more AVP scan be present in the request (or in a Grouped AVP). It follows rules used in RFC3588 and defined in RFC 5234 (<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5234#section-3.6">http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5234#section-3.6</a>).<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
        <pre><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
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    BC&gt; Thanks for the education.<br>
    Is this so obvious to the Diameter readers, including the newcomers,
    that we don't need to mention it?<br>
    In other words, am I the only one NOT knowing this? ;-)<br>
    <br>
    Regards, Benoit.<br>
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Hello Benoit and Lionel
as a reader of the Diameter specifications I would support a proposal to de=
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 but for a simple reader it would be very helpful to have such an descripti=
on of the notification in the same document as it is used.


Best regards

Dieter Jacobsohn


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Von: dime-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von Be=
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Betreff: Re: [Dime] AD review of draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt

Hi Lionel,

Hi Benoit,



- I could not find the meaning of * in, for example,



                          [ CHAP-Auth ]

                          [ CHAP-Challenge ]

                        * [ Framed-Compression ]

                          [ Framed-Interface-Id ]

                          [ Framed-IP-Address ]

                        * [ Framed-IPv6-Prefix ]

                          [ Framed-IP-Netmask ]

                          [ Framed-MTU ]

                          [ Framed-Protocol ]

                          [ ARAP-Password ]

                          [ ARAP-Security ]

                        * [ ARAP-Security-Data ]

                        * [ Login-IP-Host ]

                        * [ Login-IPv6-Host ]

                          [ Login-LAT-Group ]

                          [ Login-LAT-Node ]

                          [ Login-LAT-Port ]

                          [ Login-LAT-Service ]

                        * [ Tunneling ]

                        * [ Proxy-Info ]

                        * [ Route-Record ]

                        * [ AVP ]

[[LM]] the =AB * =BB in front the AVP means that 0, 1 or more AVP scan be p=
resent in the request (or in a Grouped AVP). It follows rules used in RFC35=
88 and defined in RFC 5234 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5234#section-3.6)=
.



BC> Thanks for the education.
Is this so obvious to the Diameter readers, including the newcomers, that w=
e don't need to mention it?
In other words, am I the only one NOT knowing this? ;-)

Regards, Benoit.


Regards,



Lionel

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sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Framed-IP-Netmask ]<O:P></O:P></PRE>=
<PRE>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; [ Framed-MTU ]<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Framed-Protocol ]<O:P></O:P></=
PRE><PRE>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp; [ ARAP-Password ]<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ ARAP-Security ]<O:P></O=
:P></PRE><PRE>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; * [ ARAP-Security-Data ]<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Login-IP-Host ]<O:P></O:P></PRE><=
PRE>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Log=
in-IPv6-Host ]<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[ Login-LAT-Group ]<O:P></O:P></PRE><P=
RE>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp; [ Login-LAT-Node ]<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Login-LAT-Port ]<O:P></O:P><=
/PRE><PRE>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; [ Login-LAT-Service ]<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Tunneling ]<O:P></O:P></PRE>=
<PRE>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Pr=
oxy-Info ]<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;* [ Route-Record ]<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ AVP ]<O:P></O:P></PRE=
><PRE><B><I><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #1f497d" lang=3DEN-US>[[LM]] </SPAN></I><=
/B><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #1f497d" lang=3DEN-US>the =AB&nbsp;*&nbsp;=BB in f=
ront the AVP means that 0, 1 or more AVP scan be present in the request (or=
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4 (<A href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5234#section-3.6" moz-do-not-se=
nd=3D"true">http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5234#section-3.6</A>).<O:P></O:P>=
</SPAN></PRE><PRE><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #1f497d" lang=3DEN-US><O:P>&nbsp;</=
O:P></SPAN></PRE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>BC&gt;=20
Thanks for the education.<BR>Is this so obvious to the Diameter readers,=20
including the newcomers, that we don't need to mention it?<BR>In other word=
s, am=20
I the only one NOT knowing this? ;-)<BR><BR>Regards, Benoit.<BR><BR>
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Hi,

Benoit, it is true that there is in the RFC4005 an implicit reference to th=
e RFC3588 when describing the new command (AAR/AAA). It could be useful to =
explicitly state that the definition of the new command follows the rules d=
escribed in RFC3588(bis).

About Dieter's comment, the CCF specification of a command is clearly defin=
ed in RFC3588(bis) with an explicit reference to RFC5234 for further detail=
s, so I don't think that it is needed to provide again the description in t=
his specification and in any other diameter specification referencing the R=
FC3588(bis).

Regards,

Lionel

De : dieter.jacobsohn@telekom.de [mailto:dieter.jacobsohn@telekom.de]
Envoy=E9 : mercredi 11 juillet 2012 09:29
=C0 : bclaise@cisco.com; MORAND Lionel RD-CORE
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Objet : AW: [Dime] AD review of draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt

Hello Benoit and Lionel
as a reader of the Diameter specifications I would support a proposal to de=
fine the notification within the document. Clearly "somewhere" it is stated=
 but for a simple reader it would be very helpful to have such an descripti=
on of the notification in the same document as it is used.


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Von: dime-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von Be=
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Betreff: Re: [Dime] AD review of draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt
Hi Lionel,

Hi Benoit,



- I could not find the meaning of * in, for example,



                          [ CHAP-Auth ]

                          [ CHAP-Challenge ]

                        * [ Framed-Compression ]

                          [ Framed-Interface-Id ]

                          [ Framed-IP-Address ]

                        * [ Framed-IPv6-Prefix ]

                          [ Framed-IP-Netmask ]

                          [ Framed-MTU ]

                          [ Framed-Protocol ]

                          [ ARAP-Password ]

                          [ ARAP-Security ]

                        * [ ARAP-Security-Data ]

                        * [ Login-IP-Host ]

                        * [ Login-IPv6-Host ]

                          [ Login-LAT-Group ]

                          [ Login-LAT-Node ]

                          [ Login-LAT-Port ]

                          [ Login-LAT-Service ]

                        * [ Tunneling ]

                        * [ Proxy-Info ]

                        * [ Route-Record ]

                        * [ AVP ]

[[LM]] the =AB * =BB in front the AVP means that 0, 1 or more AVP scan be p=
resent in the request (or in a Grouped AVP). It follows rules used in RFC35=
88 and defined in RFC 5234 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5234#section-3.6).


BC> Thanks for the education.
Is this so obvious to the Diameter readers, including the newcomers, that w=
e don't need to mention it?
In other words, am I the only one NOT knowing this? ;-)

Regards, Benoit.



Regards,



Lionel

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color:#1F497D">Benoit, it is true that there is in the RFC4005 an implicit =
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<b>=C0&nbsp;:</b> bclaise@cisco.com; MORAND Lionel RD-CORE<br>
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<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Benoit Claise<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 11. Juli 2012 09:09<br>
<b>An:</b> lionel.morand@orange.com<br>
<b>Cc:</b> dime mailing list<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Dime] AD review of draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt</=
span><span lang=3D"DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Lionel,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<pre><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Benoit,</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">- I could not find the meaning of * in, for examp=
le,</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>[ CHAP-Auth ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; [ CHAP-Challenge ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Fr=
amed-Compression ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;[ Framed-Interface-Id ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; [ Framed-IP-Address ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Fr=
amed-IPv6-Prefix ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; [ Framed-IP-Netmask ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; [ Framed-MTU ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; [ Framed-Protocol ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; [ ARAP-Password ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; [ ARAP-Security ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ AR=
AP-Security-Data ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Lo=
gin-IP-Host ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Lo=
gin-IPv6-Host ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;[ Login-LAT-Group ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; [ Login-LAT-Node ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; [ Login-LAT-Port ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; [ Login-LAT-Service ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Tu=
nneling ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Pr=
oxy-Info ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;* [ Ro=
ute-Record ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ AV=
P ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><b><i><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">[[LM]] </span></i><=
/b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">the =AB&nbsp;*&nbsp;=BB in =
front the AVP means that 0, 1 or more AVP scan be present in the request (o=
r in a Grouped AVP). It follows rules used in RFC3588 and defined in RFC 52=
34 (<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5234#section-3.6">http://tools=
.ietf.org/html/rfc5234#section-3.6</a>).</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p><=
/pre>
</blockquote>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">BC&gt; Thanks for the education.<br>
Is this so obvious to the Diameter readers, including the newcomers, that w=
e don't need to mention it?<br>
In other words, am I the only one NOT knowing this? ;-)<br>
<br>
Regards, Benoit.<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p=
></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p><=
/pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Lionel</span><o:p></o:p><=
/pre>
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Hi Lionel,
>
> Hi,
>
> Benoit, it is true that there is in the RFC4005 an implicit reference 
> to the RFC3588 when describing the new command (AAR/AAA). It could be 
> useful to explicitly state that the definition of the new command 
> follows the rules described in RFC3588(bis).
>
That would work for me

Regards, Benoit.
>
> About Dieter's comment, the CCF specification of a command is clearly 
> defined in RFC3588(bis) with an explicit reference to RFC5234 for 
> further details, so I don't think that it is needed to provide again 
> the description in this specification and in any other diameter 
> specification referencing the RFC3588(bis).
>
> Regards,
>
> Lionel
>
> *De :*dieter.jacobsohn@telekom.de [mailto:dieter.jacobsohn@telekom.de]
> *Envoyé :* mercredi 11 juillet 2012 09:29
> *À :* bclaise@cisco.com; MORAND Lionel RD-CORE
> *Cc :* dime@ietf.org
> *Objet :* AW: [Dime] AD review of draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt
>
> Hello Benoit and Lionel
>
> as a reader of the Diameter specifications I would support a proposal 
> to define the notification within the document. Clearly "somewhere" it 
> is stated but for a simple reader it would be very helpful to have 
> such an description of the notification in the same document as it is 
> used.
>
> Best regards
>
> Dieter Jacobsohn
>
> Deutsche Telekom AG
> Group Technology
> Dieter Jacobsohn
> Landgrabenweg 151, 53227 Bonn
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>
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> nicht jede E-Mail drucken.*
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *Von:*dime-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org] *Im Auftrag 
> von *Benoit Claise
> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 11. Juli 2012 09:09
> *An:* lionel.morand@orange.com
> *Cc:* dime mailing list
> *Betreff:* Re: [Dime] AD review of draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt
>
> Hi Lionel,
>
>     Hi Benoit,
>
>       
>
>     - I could not find the meaning of * in, for example,
>
>       
>
>                                [ CHAP-Auth ]
>
>                                [ CHAP-Challenge ]
>
>                              * [ Framed-Compression ]
>
>                                [ Framed-Interface-Id ]
>
>                                [ Framed-IP-Address ]
>
>                              * [ Framed-IPv6-Prefix ]
>
>                                [ Framed-IP-Netmask ]
>
>                                [ Framed-MTU ]
>
>                                [ Framed-Protocol ]
>
>                                [ ARAP-Password ]
>
>                                [ ARAP-Security ]
>
>                              * [ ARAP-Security-Data ]
>
>                              * [ Login-IP-Host ]
>
>                              * [ Login-IPv6-Host ]
>
>                                [ Login-LAT-Group ]
>
>                                [ Login-LAT-Node ]
>
>                                [ Login-LAT-Port ]
>
>                                [ Login-LAT-Service ]
>
>                              * [ Tunneling ]
>
>                              * [ Proxy-Info ]
>
>                              * [ Route-Record ]
>
>                              * [ AVP ]
>
>     */[[LM]]/*the « * » in front the AVP means that 0, 1 or more AVP scan be present in the request (or in a Grouped AVP). It follows rules used in RFC3588 and defined in RFC 5234 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5234#section-3.6).
>
>       
>
> BC> Thanks for the education.
> Is this so obvious to the Diameter readers, including the newcomers, 
> that we don't need to mention it?
> In other words, am I the only one NOT knowing this? ;-)
>
> Regards, Benoit.
>
>
> Regards,
>   
> Lionel
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            describing the new command (AAR/AAA). It could be useful to
            explicitly state that the definition of the new command
            follows the rules described in RFC3588(bis).
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    That would work for me<br>
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            lang="EN-US">About Dieter&#8217;s comment, the CCF specification
            of a command is clearly defined in RFC3588(bis) with an
            explicit reference to RFC5234 for further details, so I
            don&#8217;t think that it is needed to provide again the
            description in this specification and in any other diameter
            specification referencing the RFC3588(bis).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dieter.jacobsohn@telekom.de">dieter.jacobsohn@telekom.de</a>
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:dieter.jacobsohn@telekom.de">mailto:dieter.jacobsohn@telekom.de</a>]
                <br>
                <b>Envoy&eacute;&nbsp;:</b> mercredi 11 juillet 2012 09:29<br>
                <b>&Agrave;&nbsp;:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bclaise@cisco.com">bclaise@cisco.com</a>; MORAND Lionel RD-CORE<br>
                <b>Cc&nbsp;:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dime@ietf.org">dime@ietf.org</a><br>
                <b>Objet&nbsp;:</b> AW: [Dime] AD review of
                draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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            Benoit&nbsp;and Lionel</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">as
            a reader of the Diameter specifications&nbsp;I would support&nbsp;a
            proposal to define the notification within the document.
            Clearly "somewhere" it is stated but for a simple reader it
            would be very helpful to have such an description of the
            notification in the same document as it is used.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p><span
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        <p><span
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            lang="EN-GB">Dieter Jacobsohn</span><span
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          <span
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              lang="DE">www.telekom.com</span></a><span
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        <p><span
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            lang="DE">Erleben, was verbindet.</span><span lang="DE">&nbsp;
          </span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#999999"
            lang="DE">Deutsche Telekom AG</span>
          <br>
          <span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#999999"
            lang="DE">Aufsichtsrat: Prof. Dr. Ulrich Lehner
            (Vorsitzender)</span>
          <br>
          <span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#999999"
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            Dr. Manfred Balz, Reinhard Clemens, Niek Jan van Damme,<br>
            Timotheus H&ouml;ttges, Claudia Nemat,&nbsp; Prof. Dr. Marion Schick</span>
          <br>
          <span
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          <br>
          <span
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            lang="DE">Sitz der Gesellschaft Bonn</span>
          <br>
          <span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#999999"
            lang="DE">USt-IdNr. DE 123475223</span><span lang="DE">
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              lang="DE">Gro&szlig;e Ver&auml;nderungen fangen klein an</span></b><b><span
              lang="DE">
            </span></b><b><span
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              lang="DE">&#8211;</span></b><b><span
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              lang="DE"> Ressourcen schonen und nicht jede E-Mail
              drucken.</span></b><span
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        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
              lang="DE">Von:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
            lang="DE"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org">dime-bounces@ietf.org</a>
            [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
            <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Benoit Claise<br>
            <b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 11. Juli 2012 09:09<br>
            <b>An:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lionel.morand@orange.com">lionel.morand@orange.com</a><br>
            <b>Cc:</b> dime mailing list<br>
            <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Dime] AD review of
            draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt</span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Lionel,<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <pre><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi Benoit,</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">- I could not find the meaning of * in, for example,</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>[ CHAP-Auth ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ CHAP-Challenge ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Framed-Compression ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[ Framed-Interface-Id ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Framed-IP-Address ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Framed-IPv6-Prefix ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Framed-IP-Netmask ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Framed-MTU ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Framed-Protocol ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ ARAP-Password ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ ARAP-Security ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ ARAP-Security-Data ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Login-IP-Host ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Login-IPv6-Host ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[ Login-LAT-Group ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Login-LAT-Node ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Login-LAT-Port ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Login-LAT-Service ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Tunneling ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Proxy-Info ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;* [ Route-Record ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ AVP ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre><b><i><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">[[LM]] </span></i></b><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">the &laquo;&nbsp;*&nbsp;&raquo; in front the AVP means that 0, 1 or more AVP scan be present in the request (or in a Grouped AVP). It follows rules used in RFC3588 and defined in RFC 5234 (<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5234#section-3.6">http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5234#section-3.6</a>).</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
        </blockquote>
        <p class="MsoNormal">BC&gt; Thanks for the education.<br>
          Is this so obvious to the Diameter readers, including the
          newcomers, that we don't need to mention it?<br>
          In other words, am I the only one NOT knowing this? ;-)<br>
          <br>
          Regards, Benoit.<br>
          <br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
        <pre><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
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Dear all, Glen,

Two more points, part of the AD review (I needed a little bit of 
education before making those points, hence the part 2 in my review)

1. the NASREQ application is specified in RFC4005bis, but IANA points to 
RFC3588bis
See 
http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45 

with an entry for Application id= 1, for NASREQ, with the reference 
[RFC-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis-33]

I understand the history: RFC3588 introduced this application id value 1 
in the IANA Considerations section.
However, RFC3588bis, which will obsolete RFC3588, doesn't mention this 
application id (obviously, because it was assigned already).
So don't you believe that we should correct this and have, in the IANA 
Considerations section of 
http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt , a message 
basically expressing:
http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45 
should contain
              Application id= 1, for NASREQ, with the reference 
[RFC4005bis]


2.  In section 3.10Accounting-Answer (ACA) Command

    The same level of security MUST
    be applied to both the Accounting-Request and the corresponding
    Accounting-Answer message.  For example, if the ACR was protected
    using end-to-end security techniques then the corresponding ACA
    message MUST be protected in the same way; note, however, that the
    definition of such techniques is outside the scope of this document.

Note: this message about "The same level of security ..." is only 
available in that section
Why does this apply only to Accounting-Request and Accounting-Answer?
Or does it apply to all Request/Answer?

Regards, Benoit.

> Dear all, Glen,
>
> Please find below the AD review of draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt
>
> The document is in a good enough shape to be sent to IETF LC.
> Please consider my comments together with the other IETF LC comments.
>
> Glen, let me know if you plan on submitting a quick revision soon, or 
> if I should send THIS version to the IETF LC (which might lead to 
> redundant comment)
>
>
> - Some idnits
> http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt
>    Miscellaneous warnings:
>    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>    == The document seems to use 'NOT RECOMMENDED' as an RFC 2119 keyword, but
>       does not include the phrase in its RFC 2119 key words list.
>
>    Checking references for intended status: Proposed Standard
>    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>    == Missing Reference: 'BASE' is mentioned on line 219, but not defined
>
> I understand that this is a quote from RFC4005. To avoid the source of 
> confusion, here is a proposal
>
> OLD:
>        However, the presence of an
>        instance of the Acct-Application-Id AVP was required in RFC 4005,
>        as well:
>
>           The ACR message [BASE] is sent by the NAS to report its session
>           information to a target server downstream.
>
>           Either of Acct-Application-Id or Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
>           AVPs MUST be present.  If the Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
>           grouped AVP is present, it must have an Acct-Application-Id
>           inside.
> NEW:
>        However, the presence of an
>        instance of the Acct-Application-Id AVP was required in RFC 4005,
>        which quotes:
>
>           "The ACR message [BASE] is sent by the NAS to report its session
>           information to a target server downstream.
>
>           Either of Acct-Application-Id or Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
>           AVPs MUST be present.  If the Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
>           grouped AVP is present, it must have an Acct-Application-Id
>           inside."
>
> - One small improvement
> OLD:
>     o  The accounting model to be used is now specified.
>
> NEW
>     o  The accounting model to be used is now specified. See section 1.6
>
> - Expand on the first ASA occurrence
>
> - Add an point after [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis]
>
>     3.1.  AA-Request (AAR) Command
>
>         The AA-Request (AAR), which is indicated by setting the Command-Code
>         field to 265 and the 'R' bit in the Command Flags field, is used to
>         request authentication and/or authorization for a given NAS user.
>         The type of request is identified through the Auth-Request-Type AVP
>         [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis] The recommended value for most situations
>         is AUTHORIZE_AUTHENTICATE.
>
> - I could not find the meaning of * in, for example,
>
>                            [ CHAP-Auth ]
>                            [ CHAP-Challenge ]
>                          * [ Framed-Compression ]
>                            [ Framed-Interface-Id ]
>                            [ Framed-IP-Address ]
>                          * [ Framed-IPv6-Prefix ]
>                            [ Framed-IP-Netmask ]
>                            [ Framed-MTU ]
>                            [ Framed-Protocol ]
>                            [ ARAP-Password ]
>                            [ ARAP-Security ]
>                          * [ ARAP-Security-Data ]
>                          * [ Login-IP-Host ]
>                          * [ Login-IPv6-Host ]
>                            [ Login-LAT-Group ]
>                            [ Login-LAT-Node ]
>                            [ Login-LAT-Port ]
>                            [ Login-LAT-Service ]
>                          * [ Tunneling ]
>                          * [ Proxy-Info ]
>                          * [ Route-Record ]
>                          * [ AVP ]
> - 3.7.  Abort-Session-Request (ASR) Command
>
>     The Abort-Session-Request (ASR) message [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis]
>     may be sent by any server to the NAS providing session service, to
>     request that the session identified by the Session-Id be stopped.
>
> By "any Diameter server"?  like in section 3.3 btw.
>
> - IANA Considerations
> Do we need to change all the "4005" entries in 
> http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml into 
> "4005bis"?
> Or to be more correct, the new RFC id for 4005bis?
>
> - OLD
>     [RADIUSTypes]               IANA, "IANA Radius Attribute Values
>                                 Registry",<http://www.iana.org/
>                                 assignments/radius-types-3>.
>
> NEW:
>     [RADIUSTypes]               IANA, "IANA Radius Attribute Values
>                                 Registry",<http://www.iana.org/
>                                 assignments/radius-types>.
>
> ALTERNATE PROPOSAL
>     [RADIUSTypes]               IANA, "IANA Radius Attribute Values
>                                 Registry",<http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types/radius-types.xml#radius-types-1>.
>
> Regards, Benoit.
>
>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear all, Glen,<br>
      <br>
      Two more points, part of the AD review (I needed a little bit of
      education before making those points, hence the part 2 in my
      review)<br>
      <br>
      1. the NASREQ application is specified in RFC4005bis, but IANA
      points to RFC3588bis<br>
      See <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45">http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45</a>
      <br>
      with an entry for
      Application id= 1, for NASREQ, with the reference
      [RFC-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis-33]
      <br>
      <br>
      I understand the history: RFC3588 introduced this application id
      value 1 in the IANA Considerations section.
      <br>
      However, RFC3588bis, which will obsolete RFC3588, doesn't mention
      this application id (obviously, because it was assigned already).
      <br>
      So don't you believe that we should correct this and have, in the
      IANA Considerations section of <a moz-do-not-send="true"
        href="http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt">http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt</a>
      , a message basically expressing:<br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45">http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45</a>&nbsp;
      should contain<br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Application id= 1, for NASREQ, with the reference
      [RFC4005bis] <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      2.&nbsp; In section 3.10<span class="selflink"></span>
      Accounting-Answer (ACA) Command
      <pre class="newpage"><pre class="newpage">   The same level of security MUST
   be applied to both the Accounting-Request and the corresponding
   Accounting-Answer message.  For example, if the ACR was protected
   using end-to-end security techniques then the corresponding ACA
   message MUST be protected in the same way; note, however, that the
   definition of such techniques is outside the scope of this document.</pre></pre>
      Note: this message about "The same level of security ..." is only
      available in that section<br>
      Why does this apply only to Accounting-Request and
      Accounting-Answer?<br>
      Or does it apply to all Request/Answer?<span class="h3"></span><br>
      <span class="h3"></span><br>
      Regards, Benoit.<br>
      <span class="h3"></span><br>
    </div>
    <blockquote cite="mid:4FFC405F.9030508@cisco.com" type="cite">
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      Dear all, Glen,<br>
      <br>
      Please find below the AD review of
      draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt<br>
      <br>
      The document is in a good enough shape to be sent to IETF LC. <br>
      Please consider my comments together with the other IETF LC
      comments. <br>
      <br>
      Glen, let me know if you plan on submitting a quick revision soon,
      or if I should send THIS version to the IETF LC (which might lead
      to redundant comment)<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      - Some idnits<br>
      <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt">http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt</a><br>
      <pre>  Miscellaneous warnings:
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

  == The document seems to use 'NOT RECOMMENDED' as an RFC 2119 keyword, but
     does not include the phrase in its RFC 2119 key words list.
</pre>
      <br>
      <pre>  Checking references for intended status: Proposed Standard
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

  == Missing Reference: 'BASE' is mentioned on line 219, but not defined

</pre>
      I understand that this is a quote from RFC4005. To avoid the
      source of confusion, here is a proposal<br>
      <br>
      OLD:<br>
      <pre>      However, the presence of an
      instance of the Acct-Application-Id AVP was required in RFC 4005,
      as well:

         The ACR message [BASE] is sent by the NAS to report its session
         information to a target server downstream.

         Either of Acct-Application-Id or Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
         AVPs MUST be present.  If the Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
         grouped AVP is present, it must have an Acct-Application-Id
         inside.</pre>
      NEW:<br>
      <pre>      However, the presence of an
      instance of the Acct-Application-Id AVP was required in RFC 4005,
      which quotes:

         "The ACR message [BASE] is sent by the NAS to report its session
         information to a target server downstream.

         Either of Acct-Application-Id or Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
         AVPs MUST be present.  If the Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
         grouped AVP is present, it must have an Acct-Application-Id
         inside."</pre>
      <br>
      - One small improvement<br>
      OLD:<br>
      <pre>   o  The accounting model to be used is now specified.

NEW
   o  The accounting model to be used is now specified. See section 1.6

- Expand on the first ASA occurrence

- Add an point after [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis] 
</pre>
      <blockquote>
        <pre>3.1.  AA-Request (AAR) Command

   The AA-Request (AAR), which is indicated by setting the Command-Code
   field to 265 and the 'R' bit in the Command Flags field, is used to
   request authentication and/or authorization for a given NAS user.
   The type of request is identified through the Auth-Request-Type AVP
   [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis] The recommended value for most situations
   is AUTHORIZE_AUTHENTICATE.</pre>
      </blockquote>
      <pre>- I could not find the meaning of * in, for example,

                          [ CHAP-Auth ]
                          [ CHAP-Challenge ]
                        * [ Framed-Compression ]
                          [ Framed-Interface-Id ]
                          [ Framed-IP-Address ]
                        * [ Framed-IPv6-Prefix ]
                          [ Framed-IP-Netmask ]
                          [ Framed-MTU ]
                          [ Framed-Protocol ]
                          [ ARAP-Password ]
                          [ ARAP-Security ]
                        * [ ARAP-Security-Data ]
                        * [ Login-IP-Host ]
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      <pre>- 3.7.  Abort-Session-Request (ASR) Command

   The Abort-Session-Request (ASR) message [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis]
   may be sent by any server to the NAS providing session service, to
   request that the session identified by the Session-Id be stopped.</pre>
      <br>
      By "any Diameter server"?&nbsp; like in section 3.3 btw.<br>
      <br>
      - IANA Considerations<br>
      Do we need to change all the "4005" entries in <a
        moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
        href="http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml">http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml</a>
      into "4005bis"?<br>
      Or to be more correct, the new RFC id for 4005bis?<br>
      <br>
      - OLD<br>
      <pre>   [RADIUSTypes]               IANA, "IANA Radius Attribute Values
                               Registry", <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types-3">&lt;http://www.iana.org/
                               assignments/radius-types-3&gt;</a>.

NEW:
   [RADIUSTypes]               IANA, "IANA Radius Attribute Values
                               Registry", <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types">&lt;http://www.iana.org/
                               assignments/radius-types&gt;</a>.
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      <br>
      ALTERNATE PROPOSAL<br>
      <pre>   [RADIUSTypes]               IANA, "IANA Radius Attribute Values
                               Registry", <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types/radius-types.xml#radius-types-1">&lt;http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types/radius-types.xml#radius-types-1&gt;</a>.</pre>
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On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 09:09 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote:
> Hi Lionel,
> 
> > Hi Benoit,
> >  
> > - I could not find the meaning of * in, for example,
> >  
> >                           [ CHAP-Auth ]
> >                           [ CHAP-Challenge ]
> >                         * [ Framed-Compression ]
> >                           [ Framed-Interface-Id ]
> >                           [ Framed-IP-Address ]
> >                         * [ Framed-IPv6-Prefix ]
> >                           [ Framed-IP-Netmask ]
> >                           [ Framed-MTU ]
> >                           [ Framed-Protocol ]
> >                           [ ARAP-Password ]
> >                           [ ARAP-Security ]
> >                         * [ ARAP-Security-Data ]
> >                         * [ Login-IP-Host ]
> >                         * [ Login-IPv6-Host ]
> >                           [ Login-LAT-Group ]
> >                           [ Login-LAT-Node ]
> >                           [ Login-LAT-Port ]
> >                           [ Login-LAT-Service ]
> >                         * [ Tunneling ]
> >                         * [ Proxy-Info ]
> >                         * [ Route-Record ]
> >                         * [ AVP ]
> > [[LM]] the Â« * Â» in front the AVP means that 0, 1 or more AVP scan be present in the request (or in a Grouped AVP). It follows rules used in RFC3588 and defined in RFC 5234 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5234#section-3.6).
> >  
> 
> BC> Thanks for the education.
> Is this so obvious to the Diameter readers, including the newcomers,
> that we don't need to mention it?
> In other words, am I the only one NOT knowing this? ;-)


Hmm.  draft-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis is listed as  a normative reference in
4005bis and RFC 5238 is listed as a normative reference in
draft-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis.  My understanding is that one cannot expect
to read and understand an RFC without having read and understood the
normative references thereof.  Is my understanding correct?  If so, then
there is in fact no need to mention it since any reader cognizant of
that requirement will already know (or could easily refresh the memory
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On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 09:09 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote:
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Hi Benoit,
&nbsp;
- I could not find the meaning of * in, for example,
&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ CHAP-Auth ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ CHAP-Challenge ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Framed-Compression ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[ Framed-Interface-Id ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Framed-IP-Address ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Framed-IPv6-Prefix ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Framed-IP-Netmask ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Framed-MTU ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Framed-Protocol ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ ARAP-Password ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ ARAP-Security ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ ARAP-Security-Data ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Login-IP-Host ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Login-IPv6-Host ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[ Login-LAT-Group ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Login-LAT-Node ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Login-LAT-Port ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Login-LAT-Service ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Tunneling ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Proxy-Info ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;* [ Route-Record ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ AVP ]
<B><I>[[LM]] </I></B>the &#171;&nbsp;*&nbsp;&#187; in front the AVP means that 0, 1 or more AVP scan be present in the request (or in a Grouped AVP). It follows rules used in RFC3588 and defined in RFC 5234 (<A HREF="http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5234#section-3.6">http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5234#section-3.6</A>).
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    BC&gt; Thanks for the education.<BR>
    Is this so obvious to the Diameter readers, including the newcomers, that we don't need to mention it?<BR>
    In other words, am I the only one NOT knowing this? ;-)<BR>
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Hmm.&nbsp; draft-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis is listed as&nbsp; a normative reference in 4005bis and RFC 5238 is listed as a normative reference in draft-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis.&nbsp; My understanding is that one cannot expect to read and understand an RFC without having read and understood the normative references thereof.&nbsp; Is my understanding correct?&nbsp; If so, then there is in fact no need to mention it since any reader cognizant of that requirement will already know (or could easily refresh the memory of) what the notation means.<BR>
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On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 07:40 +0000, lionel.morand@orange.com wrote:
> Hi,
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>  
> 
> Benoit, it is true that there is in the RFC4005 an implicit reference
> to the RFC3588 when describing the new command (AAR/AAA). It could be
> useful to explicitly state that the definition of the new command
> follows the rules described in RFC3588(bis). 


Actually, the references to 3588bis are abundant, explicit and
normative...


> 
>  
> 
> About Dieterâ€™s comment, the CCF specification of a command is clearly
> defined in RFC3588(bis) with an explicit reference to RFC5234 for
> further details, so I donâ€™t think that it is needed to provide again
> the description in this specification and in any other diameter
> specification referencing the RFC3588(bis).


Indeed.

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On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 07:40 +0000, lionel.morand@orange.com wrote:
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    Hi,<BR>
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    &nbsp;<BR>
    <BR>
    Benoit, it is true that there is in the RFC4005 an implicit reference to the RFC3588 when describing the new command (AAR/AAA). It could be useful to explicitly state that the definition of the new command follows the rules described in RFC3588(bis). <BR>
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Actually, the references to 3588bis are abundant, explicit and normative...<BR>
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    &nbsp;<BR>
    <BR>
    About Dieter&#8217;s comment, the CCF specification of a command is clearly defined in RFC3588(bis) with an explicit reference to RFC5234 for further details, so I don&#8217;t think that it is needed to provide again the description in this specification and in any other diameter specification referencing the RFC3588(bis).<BR>
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Indeed.<BR>
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On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 11:05 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote:
> Dear all, Glen,
> 
> Two more points, part of the AD review (I needed a little bit of
> education before making those points, hence the part 2 in my review)
> 
> 1. the NASREQ application is specified in RFC4005bis, but IANA points
> to RFC3588bis
> See
> http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45 
> with an entry for Application id= 1, for NASREQ, with the reference
> [RFC-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis-33] 
> 
> I understand the history: RFC3588 introduced this application id value
> 1 in the IANA Considerations section. 
> However, RFC3588bis, which will obsolete RFC3588, doesn't mention this
> application id (obviously, because it was assigned already). 
> So don't you believe that we should correct this and have, in the IANA
> Considerations section of
> http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt , a message
> basically expressing:
> 
> http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45  should contain
>              Application id= 1, for NASREQ, with the reference
> [RFC4005bis] 


Obviously, I don't agree.  The value was registered in RFC 3588, and
there is nothing to "correct" unless of course you insist, as does at
least one IESG member, that the IANA references always point to the
technical definition of the registered item (a position so untenable as
to be absurd).


> 
> 
> 2.  In section 3.10 Accounting-Answer (ACA) Command 
> 
> The same level of security MUST
>    be applied to both the Accounting-Request and the corresponding
>    Accounting-Answer message.  For example, if the ACR was protected
>    using end-to-end security techniques then the corresponding ACA
>    message MUST be protected in the same way; note, however, that the
>    definition of such techniques is outside the scope of this document.
> 
> Note: this message about "The same level of security ..." is only
> available in that section


Sorry, I don't understand.


> Why does this apply only to Accounting-Request and Accounting-Answer?


The answer to that question is likely lost in the mists of time ;-).  I
surely don't remember why...


> Or does it apply to all Request/Answer?


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On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 11:05 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote:
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    Dear all, Glen,<BR>
    <BR>
    Two more points, part of the AD review (I needed a little bit of education before making those points, hence the part 2 in my review)<BR>
    <BR>
    1. the NASREQ application is specified in RFC4005bis, but IANA points to RFC3588bis<BR>
    See <A HREF="http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45">http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45</A> <BR>
    with an entry for Application id= 1, for NASREQ, with the reference [RFC-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis-33] <BR>
    <BR>
    I understand the history: RFC3588 introduced this application id value 1 in the IANA Considerations section. <BR>
    However, RFC3588bis, which will obsolete RFC3588, doesn't mention this application id (obviously, because it was assigned already). <BR>
    So don't you believe that we should correct this and have, in the IANA Considerations section of <A HREF="http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt">http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt</A> , a message basically expressing:<BR>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A HREF="http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45">http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45</A>&nbsp; should contain<BR>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Application id= 1, for NASREQ, with the reference [RFC4005bis] <BR>
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Obviously, I don't agree.&nbsp; The value was registered in RFC 3588, and there is nothing to &quot;correct&quot; unless of course you insist, as does at least one IESG member, that the IANA references always point to the technical definition of the registered item (a position so untenable as to be absurd).<BR>
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    2.&nbsp; In section 3.10 Accounting-Answer (ACA) Command 
<PRE>
The same level of security MUST
   be applied to both the Accounting-Request and the corresponding
   Accounting-Answer message.  For example, if the ACR was protected
   using end-to-end security techniques then the corresponding ACA
   message MUST be protected in the same way; note, however, that the
   definition of such techniques is outside the scope of this document.
</PRE>
    Note: this message about &quot;The same level of security ...&quot; is only available in that section<BR>
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Sorry, I don't understand.<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
    Why does this apply only to Accounting-Request and Accounting-Answer?<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
The answer to that question is likely lost in the mists of time <IMG SRC="cid:1342003500.14913.68.camel@gwz-laptop" ALIGN="middle" ALT=";-)" BORDER="0">.&nbsp; I surely don't remember why...<BR>
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    Or does it apply to all Request/Answer?<BR>
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On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 15:56 +0000, lionel.morand@orange.com wrote:
> Indeed, it is old stuff!
> 
> Can we consider that this part of text is not relevant to RFC4005 (but
> to any Diameter application) and could be removed from this spec
> without impact? I think that this point will be anyway covered by the
> dedicated draft on E2E security.


I'm not at sure of that; I am pretty sure that there was a good reason
why the same security in both directions was specified for accounting
messages but I wasn't really part of those discussions.  Maybe Bernard
remembers?

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I'm not at sure of that; I am pretty sure that there was a good reason why the same security in both directions was specified for accounting messages but I wasn't really part of those discussions.&nbsp; Maybe Bernard remembers?<BR>
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The IESG has approved the following document:
- 'Diameter Priority Attribute Value Pairs'
  (draft-ietf-dime-priority-avps-06.txt) as Proposed Standard

This document is the product of the Diameter Maintenance and Extensions
Working Group.

The IESG contact persons are Benoit Claise and Ronald Bonica.

A URL of this Internet Draft is:
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dime-priority-avps/




Technical Summary

   This document defines Attribute-Value Pair (AVP) containers for various
   priority parameters for use with Diameter and the AAA framework.  The
   parameters themselves are defined in several different protocols that
   operate at either the network or application layer.

Working Group Summary

   The document has had an extensive review by the DIME WG. The
   document was also reviewed and discussed by people from 3GPP.
   The latest version is the result of the consensus reached
   after discussion.

Document Quality

   The document is complete, straightforward, simple and
   well-written. 

Personnel

   Lionel Morand is the Document Shepherd for this document. 
   Dan Romascanu was the first responsible Area Director.
   Benoit Claise is the current responsible Area Director.


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Congratulations to authors and the WG chairs for completing this document.

Regards, Benoit
> The IESG has approved the following document:
> - 'Diameter Priority Attribute Value Pairs'
>    (draft-ietf-dime-priority-avps-06.txt) as Proposed Standard
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> This document is the product of the Diameter Maintenance and Extensions
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> The IESG contact persons are Benoit Claise and Ronald Bonica.
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> A URL of this Internet Draft is:
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> Technical Summary
>
>     This document defines Attribute-Value Pair (AVP) containers for various
>     priority parameters for use with Diameter and the AAA framework.  The
>     parameters themselves are defined in several different protocols that
>     operate at either the network or application layer.
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>     The document has had an extensive review by the DIME WG. The
>     document was also reviewed and discussed by people from 3GPP.
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On 11/07/2012 12:24, Glen Zorn wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 09:09 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote:
>> Hi Lionel,
>>
>>> Hi Benoit,
>>>   
>>> - I could not find the meaning of * in, for example,
>>>   
>>>                            [ CHAP-Auth ]
>>>                            [ CHAP-Challenge ]
>>>                          * [ Framed-Compression ]
>>>                            [ Framed-Interface-Id ]
>>>                            [ Framed-IP-Address ]
>>>                          * [ Framed-IPv6-Prefix ]
>>>                            [ Framed-IP-Netmask ]
>>>                            [ Framed-MTU ]
>>>                            [ Framed-Protocol ]
>>>                            [ ARAP-Password ]
>>>                            [ ARAP-Security ]
>>>                          * [ ARAP-Security-Data ]
>>>                          * [ Login-IP-Host ]
>>>                          * [ Login-IPv6-Host ]
>>>                            [ Login-LAT-Group ]
>>>                            [ Login-LAT-Node ]
>>>                            [ Login-LAT-Port ]
>>>                            [ Login-LAT-Service ]
>>>                          * [ Tunneling ]
>>>                          * [ Proxy-Info ]
>>>                          * [ Route-Record ]
>>>                          * [ AVP ]
>>> */[[LM]]/*the « * » in front the AVP means that 0, 1 or more AVP scan be present in the request (or in a Grouped AVP). It follows rules used in RFC3588 and defined in RFC 5234 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5234#section-3.6).
>>>   
>> BC> Thanks for the education.
>> Is this so obvious to the Diameter readers, including the newcomers, 
>> that we don't need to mention it?
>> In other words, am I the only one NOT knowing this? ;-)
>
> Hmm.  draft-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis is listed as  a normative reference 
> in 4005bis and RFC 5238 is listed as a normative reference in 
> draft-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis.  My understanding is that one cannot 
> expect to read and understand an RFC without having read and 
> understood the normative references thereof.
Agreed on the principle, except that, in this case, we speak about an 
"*", which could mean something specific for this document: optional, a 
reference to something else, etc...

Regards, Benoit.


> Is my understanding correct?  If so, then there is in fact no need to 
> mention it since any reader cognizant of that requirement will already 
> know (or could easily refresh the memory of) what the notation means.
>
>>
>> Regards, Benoit.
>>
>>> Regards,
>>>   
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/07/2012 12:24, Glen Zorn wrote:<br>
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      On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 09:09 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote:
      <blockquote type="CITE"> Hi Lionel,<br>
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          <pre>Hi Benoit,
&nbsp;
- I could not find the meaning of * in, for example,
&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ CHAP-Auth ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ CHAP-Challenge ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Framed-Compression ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[ Framed-Interface-Id ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Framed-IP-Address ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Framed-IPv6-Prefix ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Framed-IP-Netmask ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Framed-MTU ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Framed-Protocol ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ ARAP-Password ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ ARAP-Security ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ ARAP-Security-Data ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Login-IP-Host ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Login-IPv6-Host ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[ Login-LAT-Group ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Login-LAT-Node ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Login-LAT-Port ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Login-LAT-Service ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Tunneling ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Proxy-Info ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;* [ Route-Record ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ AVP ]
<b><i>[[LM]] </i></b>the &laquo;&nbsp;*&nbsp;&raquo; in front the AVP means that 0, 1 or more AVP scan be present in the request (or in a Grouped AVP). It follows rules used in RFC3588 and defined in RFC 5234 (<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5234#section-3.6">http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5234#section-3.6</a>).
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      <blockquote type="CITE"> BC&gt; Thanks for the education.<br>
        Is this so obvious to the Diameter readers, including the
        newcomers, that we don't need to mention it?<br>
        In other words, am I the only one NOT knowing this? ;-)<br>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      Hmm.&nbsp; draft-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis is listed as&nbsp; a normative
      reference in 4005bis and RFC 5238 is listed as a normative
      reference in draft-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis.&nbsp; My understanding is that
      one cannot expect to read and understand an RFC without having
      read and understood the normative references thereof. <br>
    </blockquote>
    Agreed on the principle, except that, in this case, we speak about
    an "*", which could mean something specific for this document:
    optional, a reference to something else, etc...<br>
    <br>
    Regards, Benoit.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <blockquote cite="mid:1342002286.14913.56.camel@gwz-laptop"
      type="cite"> Is my understanding correct?&nbsp; If so, then there is in
      fact no need to mention it since any reader cognizant of that
      requirement will already know (or could easily refresh the memory
      of) what the notation means.<br>
      <br>
      <blockquote type="CITE"> <br>
        Regards, Benoit.<br>
        <br>
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          <pre>Regards,
&nbsp;
Lionel
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Glen,
> On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 11:05 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote:
>> Dear all, Glen,
>>
>> Two more points, part of the AD review (I needed a little bit of 
>> education before making those points, hence the part 2 in my review)
>>
>> 1. the NASREQ application is specified in RFC4005bis, but IANA points 
>> to RFC3588bis
>> See 
>> http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45 
>>
>> with an entry for Application id= 1, for NASREQ, with the reference 
>> [RFC-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis-33]
>>
>> I understand the history: RFC3588 introduced this application id 
>> value 1 in the IANA Considerations section.
>> However, RFC3588bis, which will obsolete RFC3588, doesn't mention 
>> this application id (obviously, because it was assigned already).
>> So don't you believe that we should correct this and have, in the 
>> IANA Considerations section of 
>> http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt , a 
>> message basically expressing:
>> http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45 
>> should contain
>>              Application id= 1, for NASREQ, with the reference 
>> [RFC4005bis]
>
> Obviously, I don't agree.  The value was registered in RFC 3588, and 
> there is nothing to "correct" unless of course you insist, as does at 
> least one IESG member, that the IANA references always point to the 
> technical definition of the registered item (a position so untenable 
> as to be absurd).
So right now, "application id = 1" points to RFC 3588bis, which is 
neither the RFC that registered the value (RFC3588), nor the NASREQ 
specification (RFC4005bis), so the pointer to RFC 3588bis seems pretty 
useless to me.
Anyway, I sent a private email to Michelle Cotton a few days ago (and I 
copied her again on this email thread).
My advice is to simply follow the IANA guidance.

Regards, Benoit.
>
>>
>>
>> 2.  In section 3.10 Accounting-Answer (ACA) Command
>> The same level of security MUST
>>     be applied to both the Accounting-Request and the corresponding
>>     Accounting-Answer message.  For example, if the ACR was protected
>>     using end-to-end security techniques then the corresponding ACA
>>     message MUST be protected in the same way; note, however, that the
>>     definition of such techniques is outside the scope of this document.
>> Note: this message about "The same level of security ..." is only 
>> available in that section
>
> Sorry, I don't understand.
>
>> Why does this apply only to Accounting-Request and Accounting-Answer?
>
> The answer to that question is likely lost in the mists of time ;-).  
> I surely don't remember why...
>
>> Or does it apply to all Request/Answer?
>
> ...
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Glen, <br>
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    <blockquote cite="mid:1342003558.14913.70.camel@gwz-laptop"
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      On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 11:05 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote:
      <blockquote type="CITE"> Dear all, Glen,<br>
        <br>
        Two more points, part of the AD review (I needed a little bit of
        education before making those points, hence the part 2 in my
        review)<br>
        <br>
        1. the NASREQ application is specified in RFC4005bis, but IANA
        points to RFC3588bis<br>
        See <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45">http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45</a>
        <br>
        with an entry for Application id= 1, for NASREQ, with the
        reference [RFC-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis-33] <br>
        <br>
        I understand the history: RFC3588 introduced this application id
        value 1 in the IANA Considerations section. <br>
        However, RFC3588bis, which will obsolete RFC3588, doesn't
        mention this application id (obviously, because it was assigned
        already). <br>
        So don't you believe that we should correct this and have, in
        the IANA Considerations section of <a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt">http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt</a>
        , a message basically expressing:<br>
        &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45">http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45</a>&nbsp;
        should contain<br>
        &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Application id= 1, for NASREQ, with the reference
        [RFC4005bis] <br>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      Obviously, I don't agree.&nbsp; The value was registered in RFC 3588,
      and there is nothing to "correct" unless of course you insist, as
      does at least one IESG member, that the IANA references always
      point to the technical definition of the registered item (a
      position so untenable as to be absurd).<br>
    </blockquote>
    So right now, "application id = 1" points to RFC 3588bis, which is
    neither the RFC that registered the value (RFC3588), nor the NASREQ
    specification (RFC4005bis), so the pointer to RFC 3588bis seems
    pretty useless to me.<br>
    Anyway, I sent a private email to Michelle Cotton a few days ago
    (and I copied her again on this email thread).<br>
    My advice is to simply follow the IANA guidance.<br>
    <br>
    Regards, Benoit.<br>
    <blockquote cite="mid:1342003558.14913.70.camel@gwz-laptop"
      type="cite">
      <br>
      <blockquote type="CITE"> <br>
        <br>
        2.&nbsp; In section 3.10 Accounting-Answer (ACA) Command
        <pre>The same level of security MUST
   be applied to both the Accounting-Request and the corresponding
   Accounting-Answer message.  For example, if the ACR was protected
   using end-to-end security techniques then the corresponding ACA
   message MUST be protected in the same way; note, however, that the
   definition of such techniques is outside the scope of this document.
</pre>
        Note: this message about "The same level of security ..." is
        only available in that section<br>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      Sorry, I don't understand.<br>
      <br>
      <blockquote type="CITE"> Why does this apply only to
        Accounting-Request and Accounting-Answer?<br>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      The answer to that question is likely lost in the mists of time <img
        src="cid:part4.01040705.05010404@cisco.com" alt=";-)"
        align="middle" border="0">.&nbsp; I surely don't remember why...<br>
      <br>
      <blockquote type="CITE"> Or does it apply to all Request/Answer?<br>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      ...
      <br>
      <br>
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Congratulations to authors and the WG chairs for completing this document.

Regards, Benoit
> The IESG has approved the following document:
> - 'Diameter Priority Attribute Value Pairs'
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> This document is the product of the Diameter Maintenance and Extensions
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On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 23:09 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote:
> Glen, 
> 
> > 
> > On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 11:05 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote: 
> > 
> > > Dear all, Glen,
> > > 
> > > Two more points, part of the AD review (I needed a little bit of
> > > education before making those points, hence the part 2 in my
> > > review)
> > > 
> > > 1. the NASREQ application is specified in RFC4005bis, but IANA
> > > points to RFC3588bis
> > > See
> > > http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45 
> > > with an entry for Application id= 1, for NASREQ, with the
> > > reference [RFC-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis-33] 
> > > 
> > > I understand the history: RFC3588 introduced this application id
> > > value 1 in the IANA Considerations section. 
> > > However, RFC3588bis, which will obsolete RFC3588, doesn't mention
> > > this application id (obviously, because it was assigned already). 
> > > So don't you believe that we should correct this and have, in the
> > > IANA Considerations section of
> > > http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt , a
> > > message basically expressing:
> > > 
> > > http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45  should contain
> > >              Application id= 1, for NASREQ, with the reference
> > > [RFC4005bis] 
> > 
> > 
> > Obviously, I don't agree.  The value was registered in RFC 3588, and
> > there is nothing to "correct" unless of course you insist, as does
> > at least one IESG member, that the IANA references always point to
> > the technical definition of the registered item (a position so
> > untenable as to be absurd).
> 
> So right now, "application id = 1" points to RFC 3588bis, which is
> neither the RFC that registered the value (RFC3588), nor the NASREQ
> specification (RFC4005bis), so the pointer to RFC 3588bis seems pretty
> useless to me.


I couldn't agree more.


> Anyway, I sent a private email to Michelle Cotton a few days ago (and
> I copied her again on this email thread).
> My advice is to simply follow the IANA guidance.


Actually, I'd like to see some guidance from the IESG; something that is
both consistent and completethat states the semantics of the IANA
reference field or, lacking that, a little less anal-retention WRT
positions which are clearly neither consistent nor complete on those
semantics.

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On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 23:09 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote:
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    Glen, <BR>
    <BR>
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        On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 11:05 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote: <BR>
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            Dear all, Glen,<BR>
            <BR>
            Two more points, part of the AD review (I needed a little bit of education before making those points, hence the part 2 in my review)<BR>
            <BR>
            1. the NASREQ application is specified in RFC4005bis, but IANA points to RFC3588bis<BR>
            See <A HREF="http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45">http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45</A> <BR>
            with an entry for Application id= 1, for NASREQ, with the reference [RFC-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis-33] <BR>
            <BR>
            I understand the history: RFC3588 introduced this application id value 1 in the IANA Considerations section. <BR>
            However, RFC3588bis, which will obsolete RFC3588, doesn't mention this application id (obviously, because it was assigned already). <BR>
            So don't you believe that we should correct this and have, in the IANA Considerations section of <A HREF="http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt">http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt</A> , a message basically expressing:<BR>
            &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A HREF="http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45">http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45</A>&nbsp; should contain<BR>
            &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Application id= 1, for NASREQ, with the reference [RFC4005bis] <BR>
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        Obviously, I don't agree.&nbsp; The value was registered in RFC 3588, and there is nothing to &quot;correct&quot; unless of course you insist, as does at least one IESG member, that the IANA references always point to the technical definition of the registered item (a position so untenable as to be absurd).<BR>
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    So right now, &quot;application id = 1&quot; points to RFC 3588bis, which is neither the RFC that registered the value (RFC3588), nor the NASREQ specification (RFC4005bis), so the pointer to RFC 3588bis seems pretty useless to me.<BR>
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I couldn't agree more.<BR>
<BR>
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    Anyway, I sent a private email to Michelle Cotton a few days ago (and I copied her again on this email thread).<BR>
    My advice is to simply follow the IANA guidance.<BR>
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Actually, I'd like to see some guidance from the IESG; something that is both consistent and completethat states the semantics of the IANA reference field or, lacking that, a little less anal-retention WRT positions which are clearly neither consistent nor complete on those semantics.<BR>
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On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 23:03 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote:
> On 11/07/2012 12:24, Glen Zorn wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 09:09 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote: 
> > 
> > > Hi Lionel,
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Hi Benoit,
> > > >  
> > > > - I could not find the meaning of * in, for example,
> > > >  
> > > >                           [ CHAP-Auth ]
> > > >                           [ CHAP-Challenge ]
> > > >                         * [ Framed-Compression ]
> > > >                           [ Framed-Interface-Id ]
> > > >                           [ Framed-IP-Address ]
> > > >                         * [ Framed-IPv6-Prefix ]
> > > >                           [ Framed-IP-Netmask ]
> > > >                           [ Framed-MTU ]
> > > >                           [ Framed-Protocol ]
> > > >                           [ ARAP-Password ]
> > > >                           [ ARAP-Security ]
> > > >                         * [ ARAP-Security-Data ]
> > > >                         * [ Login-IP-Host ]
> > > >                         * [ Login-IPv6-Host ]
> > > >                           [ Login-LAT-Group ]
> > > >                           [ Login-LAT-Node ]
> > > >                           [ Login-LAT-Port ]
> > > >                           [ Login-LAT-Service ]
> > > >                         * [ Tunneling ]
> > > >                         * [ Proxy-Info ]
> > > >                         * [ Route-Record ]
> > > >                         * [ AVP ]
> > > > [[LM]] the Â« * Â» in front the AVP means that 0, 1 or more AVP scan be present in the request (or in a Grouped AVP). It follows rules used in RFC3588 and defined in RFC 5234 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5234#section-3.6).
> > > >  
> > > 
> > > BC> Thanks for the education.
> > > Is this so obvious to the Diameter readers, including the
> > > newcomers, that we don't need to mention it?
> > > In other words, am I the only one NOT knowing this? ;-)
> > 
> > 
> > Hmm.  draft-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis is listed as  a normative reference
> > in 4005bis and RFC 5238 is listed as a normative reference in
> > draft-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis.  My understanding is that one cannot
> > expect to read and understand an RFC without having read and
> > understood the normative references thereof. 
> 
> Agreed on the principle, except that, in this case, we speak about an
> "*", which could mean something specific for this document: optional,
> a reference to something else, etc...


How about this?

OLD:
3.  Diameter NAS Application Messages

   This section defines the Diameter message Command-Code
   [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis] values that MUST be supported by all
   Diameter implementations conforming to this specification.  The
   Command Codes are as follows:

   +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+
   | Command Name                      | Abbrev. | Code | Reference    |
   +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+
   | AA-Request                        |   AAR   |  265 | Section 3.1  |
   | AA-Answer                         |   AAA   |  265 | Section 3.2  |
   | Re-Auth-Request                   |   RAR   |  258 | Section 3.3  |
   | Re-Auth-Answer                    |   RAA   |  258 | Section 3.4  |
   | Session-Termination-Request       |   STR   |  275 | Section 3.5  |
   | Session-Termination-Answer        |   STA   |  275 | Section 3.6  |
   | Abort-Session-Request             |   ASR   |  274 | Section 3.7  |
   | Abort-Session-Answer              |   ASA   |  274 | Section 3.8  |
   | Accounting-Request                |   ACR   |  271 | Section 3.9  |
   | Accounting-Answer                 |   ACA   |  271 | Section 3.10 |
   +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+

NEW:
3.  Diameter NAS Application Messages

   This section defines the Diameter message Command-Code
   [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis] values that MUST be supported by all
   Diameter implementations conforming to this specification.  The
   Command Codes are as follows:

   +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+
   | Command Name                      | Abbrev. | Code | Reference    |
   +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+
   | AA-Request                        |   AAR   |  265 | Section 3.1  |
   | AA-Answer                         |   AAA   |  265 | Section 3.2  |
   | Re-Auth-Request                   |   RAR   |  258 | Section 3.3  |
   | Re-Auth-Answer                    |   RAA   |  258 | Section 3.4  |
   | Session-Termination-Request       |   STR   |  275 | Section 3.5  |
   | Session-Termination-Answer        |   STA   |  275 | Section 3.6  |
   | Abort-Session-Request             |   ASR   |  274 | Section 3.7  |
   | Abort-Session-Answer              |   ASA   |  274 | Section 3.8  |
   | Accounting-Request                |   ACR   |  271 | Section 3.9  |
   | Accounting-Answer                 |   ACA   |  271 | Section 3.10 |
   +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+

Note that the message formats in the following sub-sections use the
standard Diameter Command Code Format ([I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis],
Section 3.2).
   

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On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 23:03 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote:
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    On 11/07/2012 12:24, Glen Zorn wrote:<BR>
    <BR>
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        On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 09:09 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote: <BR>
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            Hi Lionel,<BR>
            <BR>
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<PRE>
Hi Benoit,
&nbsp;
- I could not find the meaning of * in, for example,
&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ CHAP-Auth ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ CHAP-Challenge ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Framed-Compression ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[ Framed-Interface-Id ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Framed-IP-Address ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Framed-IPv6-Prefix ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Framed-IP-Netmask ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Framed-MTU ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Framed-Protocol ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ ARAP-Password ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ ARAP-Security ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ ARAP-Security-Data ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Login-IP-Host ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Login-IPv6-Host ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[ Login-LAT-Group ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Login-LAT-Node ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Login-LAT-Port ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ Login-LAT-Service ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Tunneling ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ Proxy-Info ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;* [ Route-Record ]
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * [ AVP ]
<B><I>[[LM]] </I></B>the &#171;&nbsp;*&nbsp;&#187; in front the AVP means that 0, 1 or more AVP scan be present in the request (or in a Grouped AVP). It follows rules used in RFC3588 and defined in RFC 5234 (<A HREF="http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5234#section-3.6">http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5234#section-3.6</A>).
&nbsp;
</PRE>
            </BLOCKQUOTE>
            BC&gt; Thanks for the education.<BR>
            Is this so obvious to the Diameter readers, including the newcomers, that we don't need to mention it?<BR>
            In other words, am I the only one NOT knowing this? ;-)<BR>
        </BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BR>
        Hmm.&nbsp; draft-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis is listed as&nbsp; a normative reference in 4005bis and RFC 5238 is listed as a normative reference in draft-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis.&nbsp; My understanding is that one cannot expect to read and understand an RFC without having read and understood the normative references thereof. <BR>
    </BLOCKQUOTE>
    Agreed on the principle, except that, in this case, we speak about an &quot;*&quot;, which could mean something specific for this document: optional, a reference to something else, etc...<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
How about this?<BR>
<BR>
OLD:<BR>
3.&nbsp; Diameter NAS Application Messages<BR>
<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; This section defines the Diameter message Command-Code<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis] values that MUST be supported by all<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; Diameter implementations conforming to this specification.&nbsp; The<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; Command Codes are as follows:<BR>
<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; | Command Name&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; | Abbrev. | Code | Reference&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; | AA-Request&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; AAR&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 265 | Section 3.1&nbsp; |<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; | AA-Answer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; AAA&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 265 | Section 3.2&nbsp; |<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; | Re-Auth-Request&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; RAR&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 258 | Section 3.3&nbsp; |<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; | Re-Auth-Answer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; RAA&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 258 | Section 3.4&nbsp; |<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; | Session-Termination-Request&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; STR&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 275 | Section 3.5&nbsp; |<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; | Session-Termination-Answer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; STA&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 275 | Section 3.6&nbsp; |<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; | Abort-Session-Request&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; ASR&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 274 | Section 3.7&nbsp; |<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; | Abort-Session-Answer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; ASA&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 274 | Section 3.8&nbsp; |<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; | Accounting-Request&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; ACR&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 271 | Section 3.9&nbsp; |<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; | Accounting-Answer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; ACA&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 271 | Section 3.10 |<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+<BR>
<BR>
NEW:<BR>
3.&nbsp; Diameter NAS Application Messages<BR>
<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; This section defines the Diameter message Command-Code<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis] values that MUST be supported by all<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; Diameter implementations conforming to this specification.&nbsp; The<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; Command Codes are as follows:<BR>
<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; | Command Name&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; | Abbrev. | Code | Reference&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<BR>
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&nbsp;&nbsp; | AA-Request&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; AAR&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 265 | Section 3.1&nbsp; |<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; | AA-Answer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; AAA&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 265 | Section 3.2&nbsp; |<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; | Re-Auth-Request&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; RAR&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 258 | Section 3.3&nbsp; |<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; | Re-Auth-Answer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; RAA&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 258 | Section 3.4&nbsp; |<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; | Session-Termination-Request&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; STR&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 275 | Section 3.5&nbsp; |<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; | Session-Termination-Answer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; STA&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 275 | Section 3.6&nbsp; |<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; | Abort-Session-Request&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; ASR&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 274 | Section 3.7&nbsp; |<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; | Abort-Session-Answer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; ASA&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 274 | Section 3.8&nbsp; |<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; | Accounting-Request&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; ACR&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 271 | Section 3.9&nbsp; |<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; | Accounting-Answer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; ACA&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 271 | Section 3.10 |<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+<BR>
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In that case, shouldn't it be added to 3588bis?


> I think that this point will be anyway covered by the dedicated draft
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	Title           : Diameter Support for Proxy Mobile IPv6 Localized Routing
	Author(s)       : Glen Zorn
                          Qin Wu
                          Marco Liebsch
                          Jouni Korhonen
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dime-pmip6-lr-14.txt
	Pages           : 12
	Date            : 2012-07-13

Abstract:
   In Proxy Mobile IPv6, packets received from a Mobile Node (MN) by the
   Mobile Access Gateway (MAG) to which it is attached are typically
   tunneled to a Local Mobility Anchor (LMA) for routing.  The term
   "localized routing" refers to a method by which packets are routed
   directly between an MN's MAG and the MAG of its Correspondent Node
   (CN) without involving any LMA.  In order to establish a localized
   routing session between two Mobile Access Gateways in a Proxy Mobile
   IPv6 domain, the usage of localized routing may be authorized for
   both MAGs.  This document specifies how to accomplish this using the
   Diameter protocol.


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Glen,

That works for me.

Regards, Benoit.
>
> Fine for me.
>
> Lionel
>
> *De :*dime-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org] *De la part 
> de* Glen Zorn
> *EnvoyÃ© :* vendredi 13 juillet 2012 06:28
> *Ã€ :* Benoit Claise
> *Cc :* dime@ietf.org
> *Objet :* Re: [Dime] AD review of draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt
>
> On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 23:03 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote:
>
> On 11/07/2012 12:24, Glen Zorn wrote:
>
>         On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 09:09 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote:
>
>         Hi Lionel,
>
>
>           
>
>         Hi Benoit,
>
>           
>
>         - I could not find the meaning of * in, for example,
>
>           
>
>                                    [ CHAP-Auth ]
>
>                                    [ CHAP-Challenge ]
>
>                                  * [ Framed-Compression ]
>
>                                    [ Framed-Interface-Id ]
>
>                                    [ Framed-IP-Address ]
>
>                                  * [ Framed-IPv6-Prefix ]
>
>                                    [ Framed-IP-Netmask ]
>
>                                    [ Framed-MTU ]
>
>                                    [ Framed-Protocol ]
>
>                                    [ ARAP-Password ]
>
>                                    [ ARAP-Security ]
>
>                                  * [ ARAP-Security-Data ]
>
>                                  * [ Login-IP-Host ]
>
>                                  * [ Login-IPv6-Host ]
>
>                                    [ Login-LAT-Group ]
>
>                                    [ Login-LAT-Node ]
>
>                                    [ Login-LAT-Port ]
>
>                                    [ Login-LAT-Service ]
>
>                                  * [ Tunneling ]
>
>                                  * [ Proxy-Info ]
>
>                                  * [ Route-Record ]
>
>                                  * [ AVP ]
>
>         */[[LM]]/*the Â« * Â» in front the AVP means that 0, 1 or more AVP scan be present in the request (or in a Grouped AVP). It follows rules used in RFC3588 and defined in RFC 5234 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5234#section-3.6).
>
>           
>
>         BC> Thanks for the education.
>         Is this so obvious to the Diameter readers, including the
>         newcomers, that we don't need to mention it?
>         In other words, am I the only one NOT knowing this? ;-)
>
>
>         Hmm.  draft-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis is listed as  a normative
>         reference in 4005bis and RFC 5238 is listed as a normative
>         reference in draft-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis.  My understanding is
>         that one cannot expect to read and understand an RFC without
>         having read and understood the normative references thereof.
>
>     Agreed on the principle, except that, in this case, we speak about
>     an "*", which could mean something specific for this document:
>     optional, a reference to something else, etc...
>
>
> How about this?
>
> OLD:
> 3.  Diameter NAS Application Messages
>
>    This section defines the Diameter message Command-Code
>    [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis] values that MUST be supported by all
>    Diameter implementations conforming to this specification. The
>    Command Codes are as follows:
>
> +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+
>    | Command Name                      | Abbrev. | Code | Reference    |
> +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+
>    | AA-Request                        |   AAR   |  265 | Section 3.1  |
>    | AA-Answer                         |   AAA   |  265 | Section 3.2  |
>    | Re-Auth-Request                   |   RAR   |  258 | Section 3.3  |
>    | Re-Auth-Answer                    |   RAA   |  258 | Section 3.4  |
>    | Session-Termination-Request       |   STR   |  275 | Section 3.5  |
>    | Session-Termination-Answer        |   STA   |  275 | Section 3.6  |
>    | Abort-Session-Request             |   ASR   |  274 | Section 3.7  |
>    | Abort-Session-Answer              |   ASA   |  274 | Section 3.8  |
>    | Accounting-Request                |   ACR   |  271 | Section 3.9  |
>    | Accounting-Answer                 |   ACA   |  271 | Section 3.10 |
> +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+
>
> NEW:
> 3.  Diameter NAS Application Messages
>
>    This section defines the Diameter message Command-Code
>    [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis] values that MUST be supported by all
>    Diameter implementations conforming to this specification. The
>    Command Codes are as follows:
>
> +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+
>    | Command Name                      | Abbrev. | Code | Reference    |
> +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+
>    | AA-Request                        |   AAR   |  265 | Section 3.1  |
>    | AA-Answer                         |   AAA   |  265 | Section 3.2  |
>    | Re-Auth-Request                   |   RAR   |  258 | Section 3.3  |
>    | Re-Auth-Answer                    |   RAA   |  258 | Section 3.4  |
>    | Session-Termination-Request       |   STR   |  275 | Section 3.5  |
>    | Session-Termination-Answer        |   STA   |  275 | Section 3.6  |
>    | Abort-Session-Request             |   ASR   |  274 | Section 3.7  |
>    | Abort-Session-Answer              |   ASA   |  274 | Section 3.8  |
>    | Accounting-Request                |   ACR   |  271 | Section 3.9  |
>    | Accounting-Answer                 |   ACA   |  271 | Section 3.10 |
> +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+
>
> Note that the message formats in the following sub-sections use the 
> standard Diameter Command Code Format ([I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis], 
> Section 3.2).
>
>
>
> Regards, Benoit.
>
>
>
> Is my understanding correct?  If so, then there is in fact no need to 
> mention it since any reader cognizant of that requirement will already 
> know (or could easily refresh the memory of) what the notation means.
>
>
>
> Regards, Benoit.
>
>
>   
> Regards,
>   
> Lionel
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Glen,<br>
      <br>
      That works for me.<br>
      <br>
      Regards, Benoit.<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Fine
            for me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Lionel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext">DeÂ :</span></b><span
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&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext">
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org">dime-bounces@ietf.org</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
                <b>De la part de</b> Glen Zorn<br>
                <b>EnvoyÃ©Â :</b> vendredi 13 juillet 2012 06:28<br>
                <b>Ã€Â :</b> Benoit Claise<br>
                <b>CcÂ :</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dime@ietf.org">dime@ietf.org</a><br>
                <b>ObjetÂ :</b> Re: [Dime] AD review of
                draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>Â </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 23:03 +0200, Benoit
          Claise wrote: <o:p>
          </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On 11/07/2012
          12:24, Glen Zorn wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
        <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
            <p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 09:09 +0200,
              Benoit Claise wrote: <br>
              <br>
              <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Lionel,<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <o:p></o:p></p>
            <pre><o:p>Â </o:p></pre>
            <pre>Hi Benoit,<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Â <o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>- I could not find the meaning of * in, for example,<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Â <o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  [ CHAP-Auth ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  [ CHAP-Challenge ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  * [ Framed-Compression ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â [ Framed-Interface-Id ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  [ Framed-IP-Address ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  * [ Framed-IPv6-Prefix ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  [ Framed-IP-Netmask ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  [ Framed-MTU ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  [ Framed-Protocol ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  [ ARAP-Password ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  [ ARAP-Security ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  * [ ARAP-Security-Data ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  * [ Login-IP-Host ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  * [ Login-IPv6-Host ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â [ Login-LAT-Group ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  [ Login-LAT-Node ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  [ Login-LAT-Port ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  [ Login-LAT-Service ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  * [ Tunneling ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  * [ Proxy-Info ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â * [ Route-Record ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  * [ AVP ]<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre><b><i>[[LM]] </i></b>the Â«Â *Â Â» in front the AVP means that 0, 1 or more AVP scan be present in the request (or in a Grouped AVP). It follows rules used in RFC3588 and defined in RFC 5234 (<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5234#section-3.6">http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5234#section-3.6</a>).<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Â <o:p></o:p></pre>
            <p class="MsoNormal">BC&gt; Thanks for the education.<br>
              Is this so obvious to the Diameter readers, including the
              newcomers, that we don't need to mention it?<br>
              In other words, am I the only one NOT knowing this? ;-)<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
              Hmm.Â  draft-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis is listed asÂ  a normative
              reference in 4005bis and RFC 5238 is listed as a normative
              reference in draft-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis.Â  My understanding
              is that one cannot expect to read and understand an RFC
              without having read and understood the normative
              references thereof. <o:p></o:p></p>
          </blockquote>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Agreed on the principle, except that, in
            this case, we speak about an "*", which could mean something
            specific for this document: optional, a reference to
            something else, etc...<o:p></o:p></p>
        </blockquote>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
          How about this?<br>
          <br>
          OLD:<br>
          3.Â  Diameter NAS Application Messages<br>
          <br>
          Â Â  This section defines the Diameter message Command-Code<br>
          Â Â  [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis] values that MUST be supported by
          all<br>
          Â Â  Diameter implementations conforming to this specification.Â 
          The<br>
          Â Â  Command Codes are as follows:<br>
          <br>
          Â Â 
          +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+<br>
          Â Â  | Command NameÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  | Abbrev. | Code |
          ReferenceÂ Â Â  |<br>
          Â Â 
          +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+<br>
          Â Â  | AA-RequestÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  AARÂ Â  |Â  265 |
          Section 3.1Â  |<br>
          Â Â  | AA-AnswerÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  AAAÂ Â  |Â  265 |
          Section 3.2Â  |<br>
          Â Â  | Re-Auth-RequestÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  RARÂ Â  |Â  258 |
          Section 3.3Â  |<br>
          Â Â  | Re-Auth-AnswerÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  RAAÂ Â  |Â  258 |
          Section 3.4Â  |<br>
          Â Â  | Session-Termination-RequestÂ Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  STRÂ Â  |Â  275 |
          Section 3.5Â  |<br>
          Â Â  | Session-Termination-AnswerÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  STAÂ Â  |Â  275 |
          Section 3.6Â  |<br>
          Â Â  | Abort-Session-RequestÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  ASRÂ Â  |Â  274 |
          Section 3.7Â  |<br>
          Â Â  | Abort-Session-AnswerÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  ASAÂ Â  |Â  274 |
          Section 3.8Â  |<br>
          Â Â  | Accounting-RequestÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  ACRÂ Â  |Â  271 |
          Section 3.9Â  |<br>
          Â Â  | Accounting-AnswerÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  ACAÂ Â  |Â  271 |
          Section 3.10 |<br>
          Â Â 
          +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+<br>
          <br>
          NEW:<br>
          3.Â  Diameter NAS Application Messages<br>
          <br>
          Â Â  This section defines the Diameter message Command-Code<br>
          Â Â  [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis] values that MUST be supported by
          all<br>
          Â Â  Diameter implementations conforming to this specification.Â 
          The<br>
          Â Â  Command Codes are as follows:<br>
          <br>
          Â Â 
          +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+<br>
          Â Â  | Command NameÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  | Abbrev. | Code |
          ReferenceÂ Â Â  |<br>
          Â Â 
          +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+<br>
          Â Â  | AA-RequestÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  AARÂ Â  |Â  265 |
          Section 3.1Â  |<br>
          Â Â  | AA-AnswerÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  AAAÂ Â  |Â  265 |
          Section 3.2Â  |<br>
          Â Â  | Re-Auth-RequestÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  RARÂ Â  |Â  258 |
          Section 3.3Â  |<br>
          Â Â  | Re-Auth-AnswerÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  RAAÂ Â  |Â  258 |
          Section 3.4Â  |<br>
          Â Â  | Session-Termination-RequestÂ Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  STRÂ Â  |Â  275 |
          Section 3.5Â  |<br>
          Â Â  | Session-Termination-AnswerÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  STAÂ Â  |Â  275 |
          Section 3.6Â  |<br>
          Â Â  | Abort-Session-RequestÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  ASRÂ Â  |Â  274 |
          Section 3.7Â  |<br>
          Â Â  | Abort-Session-AnswerÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  ASAÂ Â  |Â  274 |
          Section 3.8Â  |<br>
          Â Â  | Accounting-RequestÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  ACRÂ Â  |Â  271 |
          Section 3.9Â  |<br>
          Â Â  | Accounting-AnswerÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  ACAÂ Â  |Â  271 |
          Section 3.10 |<br>
          Â Â 
          +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+<br>
          <br>
          Note that the message formats in the following sub-sections
          use the standard Diameter Command Code Format
          ([I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis], Section 3.2).<br>
          Â Â  <br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
          Regards, Benoit.<br>
          <br>
          <br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Is my understanding correct?Â  If so, then
          there is in fact no need to mention it since any reader
          cognizant of that requirement will already know (or could
          easily refresh the memory of) what the notation means.<br>
          <br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
          Regards, Benoit.<br>
          <br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
        <pre><o:p>Â </o:p></pre>
        <pre>Regards,<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>Â <o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>Lionel<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre><o:p>Â </o:p></pre>
        <pre>Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration,<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>France Telecom - Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci.<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre><o:p>Â </o:p></pre>
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On 13/07/2012 06:17, Glen Zorn wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 23:09 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote:
>> Glen,
>>
>>> On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 11:05 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote:
>>>> Dear all, Glen,
>>>>
>>>> Two more points, part of the AD review (I needed a little bit of 
>>>> education before making those points, hence the part 2 in my review)
>>>>
>>>> 1. the NASREQ application is specified in RFC4005bis, but IANA 
>>>> points to RFC3588bis
>>>> See 
>>>> http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45 
>>>>
>>>> with an entry for Application id= 1, for NASREQ, with the reference 
>>>> [RFC-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis-33]
>>>>
>>>> I understand the history: RFC3588 introduced this application id 
>>>> value 1 in the IANA Considerations section.
>>>> However, RFC3588bis, which will obsolete RFC3588, doesn't mention 
>>>> this application id (obviously, because it was assigned already).
>>>> So don't you believe that we should correct this and have, in the 
>>>> IANA Considerations section of 
>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt , a 
>>>> message basically expressing:
>>>> http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45 
>>>> should contain
>>>>              Application id= 1, for NASREQ, with the reference 
>>>> [RFC4005bis]
>>>
>>> Obviously, I don't agree.  The value was registered in RFC 3588, and 
>>> there is nothing to "correct" unless of course you insist, as does 
>>> at least one IESG member, that the IANA references always point to 
>>> the technical definition of the registered item (a position so 
>>> untenable as to be absurd).
>> So right now, "application id = 1" points to RFC 3588bis, which is 
>> neither the RFC that registered the value (RFC3588), nor the NASREQ 
>> specification (RFC4005bis), so the pointer to RFC 3588bis seems 
>> pretty useless to me.
>
> I couldn't agree more.
>
>> Anyway, I sent a private email to Michelle Cotton a few days ago (and 
>> I copied her again on this email thread).
>> My advice is to simply follow the IANA guidance.
>
> Actually, I'd like to see some guidance from the IESG; something that 
> is both consistent and completethat states the semantics of the IANA 
> reference field or, lacking that, a little less anal-retention WRT 
> positions which are clearly neither consistent nor complete on those 
> semantics.
Let me follow up and get back to you.
IMHO, this is a blocking factor for the draft next step, i.e. IETF 
last-call: this could be solved in parallel.
So if you want to produce a new draft version, the IETF last-call could 
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Regards, Benoit.
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13/07/2012 06:17, Glen Zorn wrote:<br>
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      On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 23:09 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote:
      <blockquote type="CITE"> Glen, <br>
        <br>
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        <blockquote type="CITE"> On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 11:05 +0200,
          Benoit Claise wrote: <br>
          <blockquote type="CITE"> Dear all, Glen,<br>
            <br>
            Two more points, part of the AD review (I needed a little
            bit of education before making those points, hence the part
            2 in my review)<br>
            <br>
            1. the NASREQ application is specified in RFC4005bis, but
            IANA points to RFC3588bis<br>
            See <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45">http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45</a>
            <br>
            with an entry for Application id= 1, for NASREQ, with the
            reference [RFC-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis-33] <br>
            <br>
            I understand the history: RFC3588 introduced this
            application id value 1 in the IANA Considerations section. <br>
            However, RFC3588bis, which will obsolete RFC3588, doesn't
            mention this application id (obviously, because it was
            assigned already). <br>
            So don't you believe that we should correct this and have,
            in the IANA Considerations section of <a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt">http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt</a>
            , a message basically expressing:<br>
            Â Â Â  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45">http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45</a>Â 
            should contain<br>
            Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Application id= 1, for NASREQ, with the
            reference [RFC4005bis] <br>
          </blockquote>
          <br>
          Obviously, I don't agree.Â  The value was registered in RFC
          3588, and there is nothing to "correct" unless of course you
          insist, as does at least one IESG member, that the IANA
          references always point to the technical definition of the
          registered item (a position so untenable as to be absurd).<br>
        </blockquote>
        So right now, "application id = 1" points to RFC 3588bis, which
        is neither the RFC that registered the value (RFC3588), nor the
        NASREQ specification (RFC4005bis), so the pointer to RFC 3588bis
        seems pretty useless to me.<br>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      I couldn't agree more.<br>
      <br>
      <blockquote type="CITE"> Anyway, I sent a private email to
        Michelle Cotton a few days ago (and I copied her again on this
        email thread).<br>
        My advice is to simply follow the IANA guidance.<br>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      Actually, I'd like to see some guidance from the IESG; something
      that is both consistent and completethat states the semantics of
      the IANA reference field or, lacking that, a little less
      anal-retention WRT positions which are clearly neither consistent
      nor complete on those semantics.<br>
    </blockquote>
    Let me follow up and get back to you.<br>
    IMHO, this is a blocking factor for the draft next step, i.e. IETF
    last-call: this could be solved in parallel.<br>
    So if you want to produce a new draft version, the IETF last-call
    could start.<br>
    <br>
    Regards, Benoit.<br>
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On Fri, 2012-07-13 at 15:14 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote:
> On 13/07/2012 06:17, Glen Zorn wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 23:09 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote: 
> > 
> > > Glen, 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 11:05 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > > Dear all, Glen,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Two more points, part of the AD review (I needed a little bit
> > > > > of education before making those points, hence the part 2 in
> > > > > my review)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1. the NASREQ application is specified in RFC4005bis, but IANA
> > > > > points to RFC3588bis
> > > > > See
> > > > > http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45 
> > > > > with an entry for Application id= 1, for NASREQ, with the
> > > > > reference [RFC-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis-33] 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I understand the history: RFC3588 introduced this application
> > > > > id value 1 in the IANA Considerations section. 
> > > > > However, RFC3588bis, which will obsolete RFC3588, doesn't
> > > > > mention this application id (obviously, because it was
> > > > > assigned already). 
> > > > > So don't you believe that we should correct this and have, in
> > > > > the IANA Considerations section of
> > > > > http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt , a
> > > > > message basically expressing:
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45  should contain
> > > > >              Application id= 1, for NASREQ, with the reference
> > > > > [RFC4005bis] 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Obviously, I don't agree.  The value was registered in RFC 3588,
> > > > and there is nothing to "correct" unless of course you insist,
> > > > as does at least one IESG member, that the IANA references
> > > > always point to the technical definition of the registered item
> > > > (a position so untenable as to be absurd).
> > > 
> > > So right now, "application id = 1" points to RFC 3588bis, which is
> > > neither the RFC that registered the value (RFC3588), nor the
> > > NASREQ specification (RFC4005bis), so the pointer to RFC 3588bis
> > > seems pretty useless to me.
> > 
> > 
> > I couldn't agree more.
> > 
> > 
> > > Anyway, I sent a private email to Michelle Cotton a few days ago
> > > (and I copied her again on this email thread).
> > > My advice is to simply follow the IANA guidance.
> > 
> > 
> > Actually, I'd like to see some guidance from the IESG; something
> > that is both consistent and completethat states the semantics of the
> > IANA reference field or, lacking that, a little less anal-retention
> > WRT positions which are clearly neither consistent nor complete on
> > those semantics.
> 
> Let me follow up and get back to you.
> IMHO, this is a blocking factor for the draft next step, i.e. IETF
> last-call: this could be solved in parallel.
> So if you want to produce a new draft version, the IETF last-call
> could start.


OK.


> 
> Regards, Benoit.
> 
> > 
> > ... 
> 
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On Fri, 2012-07-13 at 15:14 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote:
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    On 13/07/2012 06:17, Glen Zorn wrote:<BR>
    <BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
        On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 23:09 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote: <BR>
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            Glen, <BR>
            <BR>
            <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
                On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 11:05 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote: <BR>
                <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
                    Dear all, Glen,<BR>
                    <BR>
                    Two more points, part of the AD review (I needed a little bit of education before making those points, hence the part 2 in my review)<BR>
                    <BR>
                    1. the NASREQ application is specified in RFC4005bis, but IANA points to RFC3588bis<BR>
                    See <A HREF="http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45">http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45</A> <BR>
                    with an entry for Application id= 1, for NASREQ, with the reference [RFC-ietf-dime-rfc3588bis-33] <BR>
                    <BR>
                    I understand the history: RFC3588 introduced this application id value 1 in the IANA Considerations section. <BR>
                    However, RFC3588bis, which will obsolete RFC3588, doesn't mention this application id (obviously, because it was assigned already). <BR>
                    So don't you believe that we should correct this and have, in the IANA Considerations section of <A HREF="http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt">http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt</A> , a message basically expressing:<BR>
                    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A HREF="http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45">http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml#aaa-parameters-45</A>&nbsp; should contain<BR>
                    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Application id= 1, for NASREQ, with the reference [RFC4005bis] <BR>
                </BLOCKQUOTE>
                <BR>
                Obviously, I don't agree.&nbsp; The value was registered in RFC 3588, and there is nothing to &quot;correct&quot; unless of course you insist, as does at least one IESG member, that the IANA references always point to the technical definition of the registered item (a position so untenable as to be absurd).<BR>
            </BLOCKQUOTE>
            So right now, &quot;application id = 1&quot; points to RFC 3588bis, which is neither the RFC that registered the value (RFC3588), nor the NASREQ specification (RFC4005bis), so the pointer to RFC 3588bis seems pretty useless to me.<BR>
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        I couldn't agree more.<BR>
        <BR>
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            Anyway, I sent a private email to Michelle Cotton a few days ago (and I copied her again on this email thread).<BR>
            My advice is to simply follow the IANA guidance.<BR>
        </BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BR>
        Actually, I'd like to see some guidance from the IESG; something that is both consistent and completethat states the semantics of the IANA reference field or, lacking that, a little less anal-retention WRT positions which are clearly neither consistent nor complete on those semantics.<BR>
    </BLOCKQUOTE>
    Let me follow up and get back to you.<BR>
    IMHO, this is a blocking factor for the draft next step, i.e. IETF last-call: this could be solved in parallel.<BR>
    So if you want to produce a new draft version, the IETF last-call could start.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE>
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OK.<BR>
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>>> Actually, I'd like to see some guidance from the IESG; something 
>>> that is both consistent and completethat states the semantics of the 
>>> IANA reference field or, lacking that, a little less anal-retention 
>>> WRT positions which are clearly neither consistent nor complete on 
>>> those semantics.
>> Let me follow up and get back to you.
>> IMHO, this is a blocking factor for the draft next step,
Oups. One typo. You should read : "IMHO, this is NOT a blocking factor 
for the draft next step,"
 From your reply below, you understood it was a mistake.
>> i.e. IETF last-call: this could be solved in parallel.
>> So if you want to produce a new draft version, the IETF last-call 
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> OK.
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On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 16:46 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote:

> Dear all, Glen,
> 
> Please find below the AD review of draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt
> 
> The document is in a good enough shape to be sent to IETF LC. 
> Please consider my comments together with the other IETF LC comments. 
> 
> Glen, let me know if you plan on submitting a quick revision soon, or
> if I should send THIS version to the IETF LC (which might lead to
> redundant comment)
> 
> 
> - Some idnits
> http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt
> 
> Miscellaneous warnings:
>   ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>   == The document seems to use 'NOT RECOMMENDED' as an RFC 2119 keyword, but
>      does not include the phrase in its RFC 2119 key words list.
> 
> 
> 
> Checking references for intended status: Proposed Standard
>   ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>   == Missing Reference: 'BASE' is mentioned on line 219, but not defined
> 
> 
> I understand that this is a quote from RFC4005. To avoid the source of
> confusion, here is a proposal


Rereading this, I don't know what confusion you mean.  It seems to be
fine English, pretty clear, and it doesn't seem like the change you
suggest is likely to unconfuse ID-nits.  What am I missing?


> 
> OLD:
> 
> However, the presence of an
>       instance of the Acct-Application-Id AVP was required in RFC 4005,
>       as well:
> 
>          The ACR message [BASE] is sent by the NAS to report its session
>          information to a target server downstream.
> 
>          Either of Acct-Application-Id or Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
>          AVPs MUST be present.  If the Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
>          grouped AVP is present, it must have an Acct-Application-Id
>          inside.
> 
> NEW:
> 
> However, the presence of an
>       instance of the Acct-Application-Id AVP was required in RFC 4005,
>       which quotes:
> 
>          "The ACR message [BASE] is sent by the NAS to report its session
>          information to a target server downstream.
> 
>          Either of Acct-Application-Id or Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
>          AVPs MUST be present.  If the Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
>          grouped AVP is present, it must have an Acct-Application-Id
>          inside."
> 
> 
> - One small improvement
> OLD:
> 
> o  The accounting model to be used is now specified.
> 
> NEW
>    o  The accounting model to be used is now specified. See section 1.6
> 
> - Expand on the first ASA occurrence
> 
> - Add an point after [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis] 
> 
>         3.1.  AA-Request (AAR) Command
>         
>            The AA-Request (AAR), which is indicated by setting the Command-Code
>            field to 265 and the 'R' bit in the Command Flags field, is used to
>            request authentication and/or authorization for a given NAS user.
>            The type of request is identified through the Auth-Request-Type AVP
>            [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis] The recommended value for most situations
>            is AUTHORIZE_AUTHENTICATE.
> 
> - I could not find the meaning of * in, for example,
> 
>                           [ CHAP-Auth ]
>                           [ CHAP-Challenge ]
>                         * [ Framed-Compression ]
>                           [ Framed-Interface-Id ]
>                           [ Framed-IP-Address ]
>                         * [ Framed-IPv6-Prefix ]
>                           [ Framed-IP-Netmask ]
>                           [ Framed-MTU ]
>                           [ Framed-Protocol ]
>                           [ ARAP-Password ]
>                           [ ARAP-Security ]
>                         * [ ARAP-Security-Data ]
>                         * [ Login-IP-Host ]
>                         * [ Login-IPv6-Host ]
>                           [ Login-LAT-Group ]
>                           [ Login-LAT-Node ]
>                           [ Login-LAT-Port ]
>                           [ Login-LAT-Service ]
>                         * [ Tunneling ]
>                         * [ Proxy-Info ]
>                         * [ Route-Record ]
>                         * [ AVP ]
> - 3.7.  Abort-Session-Request (ASR) Command
> 
>    The Abort-Session-Request (ASR) message [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis]
>    may be sent by any server to the NAS providing session service, to
>    request that the session identified by the Session-Id be stopped.
> 
> 
> By "any Diameter server"?  like in section 3.3 btw.
> 
> - IANA Considerations
> Do we need to change all the "4005" entries in
> http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml into
> "4005bis"?
> Or to be more correct, the new RFC id for 4005bis?
> 
> - OLD
> 
> [RADIUSTypes]               IANA, "IANA Radius Attribute Values
>                                Registry", <http://www.iana.org/
>                                assignments/radius-types-3>.
> 
> NEW:
>    [RADIUSTypes]               IANA, "IANA Radius Attribute Values
>                                Registry", <http://www.iana.org/
>                                assignments/radius-types>.
> 
> 
> ALTERNATE PROPOSAL
> 
> [RADIUSTypes]               IANA, "IANA Radius Attribute Values
>                                Registry", <http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types/radius-types.xml#radius-types-1>.
> 
> 
> Regards, Benoit.



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    Dear all, Glen,<BR>
    <BR>
    Please find below the AD review of draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt<BR>
    <BR>
    The document is in a good enough shape to be sent to IETF LC. <BR>
    Please consider my comments together with the other IETF LC comments. <BR>
    <BR>
    Glen, let me know if you plan on submitting a quick revision soon, or if I should send THIS version to the IETF LC (which might lead to redundant comment)<BR>
    <BR>
    <BR>
    - Some idnits<BR>
    <A HREF="http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt">http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt</A>
<PRE>
Miscellaneous warnings:
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

  == The document seems to use 'NOT RECOMMENDED' as an RFC 2119 keyword, but
     does not include the phrase in its RFC 2119 key words list.
</PRE>
    <BR>
<PRE>
Checking references for intended status: Proposed Standard
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  == Missing Reference: 'BASE' is mentioned on line 219, but not defined

</PRE>
    I understand that this is a quote from RFC4005. To avoid the source of confusion, here is a proposal<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
Rereading this, I don't know what confusion you mean.&nbsp; It seems to be fine English, pretty clear, and it doesn't seem like the change you suggest is likely to unconfuse ID-nits.&nbsp; What am I missing?<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
    <BR>
    OLD:
<PRE>
However, the presence of an
      instance of the Acct-Application-Id AVP was required in RFC 4005,
      as well:

         The ACR message [BASE] is sent by the NAS to report its session
         information to a target server downstream.

         Either of Acct-Application-Id or Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
         AVPs MUST be present.  If the Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
         grouped AVP is present, it must have an Acct-Application-Id
         inside.
</PRE>
    NEW:
<PRE>
However, the presence of an
      instance of the Acct-Application-Id AVP was required in RFC 4005,
      which quotes:

         &quot;The ACR message [BASE] is sent by the NAS to report its session
         information to a target server downstream.

         Either of Acct-Application-Id or Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
         AVPs MUST be present.  If the Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
         grouped AVP is present, it must have an Acct-Application-Id
         inside.&quot;
</PRE>
    <BR>
    - One small improvement<BR>
    OLD:
<PRE>
o  The accounting model to be used is now specified.

NEW
   o  The accounting model to be used is now specified. See section 1.6

- Expand on the first ASA occurrence

- Add an point after [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis] 
</PRE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE>
<PRE>
3.1.  AA-Request (AAR) Command

   The AA-Request (AAR), which is indicated by setting the Command-Code
   field to 265 and the 'R' bit in the Command Flags field, is used to
   request authentication and/or authorization for a given NAS user.
   The type of request is identified through the Auth-Request-Type AVP
   [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis] The recommended value for most situations
   is AUTHORIZE_AUTHENTICATE.
</PRE>
    </BLOCKQUOTE>
<PRE>
- I could not find the meaning of * in, for example,

                          [ CHAP-Auth ]
                          [ CHAP-Challenge ]
                        * [ Framed-Compression ]
                          [ Framed-Interface-Id ]
                          [ Framed-IP-Address ]
                        * [ Framed-IPv6-Prefix ]
                          [ Framed-IP-Netmask ]
                          [ Framed-MTU ]
                          [ Framed-Protocol ]
                          [ ARAP-Password ]
                          [ ARAP-Security ]
                        * [ ARAP-Security-Data ]
                        * [ Login-IP-Host ]
                        * [ Login-IPv6-Host ]
                          [ Login-LAT-Group ]
                          [ Login-LAT-Node ]
                          [ Login-LAT-Port ]
                          [ Login-LAT-Service ]
                        * [ Tunneling ]
                        * [ Proxy-Info ]
                        * [ Route-Record ]
                        * [ AVP ]
- 3.7.  Abort-Session-Request (ASR) Command

   The Abort-Session-Request (ASR) message [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis]
   may be sent by any server to the NAS providing session service, to
   request that the session identified by the Session-Id be stopped.
</PRE>
    <BR>
    By &quot;any Diameter server&quot;?&nbsp; like in section 3.3 btw.<BR>
    <BR>
    - IANA Considerations<BR>
    Do we need to change all the &quot;4005&quot; entries in <A HREF="http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml">http://www.iana.org/assignments/aaa-parameters/aaa-parameters.xml</A> into &quot;4005bis&quot;?<BR>
    Or to be more correct, the new RFC id for 4005bis?<BR>
    <BR>
    - OLD
<PRE>
[RADIUSTypes]               IANA, &quot;IANA Radius Attribute Values
                               Registry&quot;, <A HREF="http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types-3">&lt;http://www.iana.org/</A>
<A HREF="http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types-3">                               assignments/radius-types-3&gt;</A>.

NEW:
   [RADIUSTypes]               IANA, &quot;IANA Radius Attribute Values
                               Registry&quot;, <A HREF="http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types">&lt;http://www.iana.org/</A>
<A HREF="http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types">                               assignments/radius-types&gt;</A>.
</PRE>
    <BR>
    ALTERNATE PROPOSAL
<PRE>
[RADIUSTypes]               IANA, &quot;IANA Radius Attribute Values
                               Registry&quot;, <A HREF="http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types/radius-types.xml#radius-types-1">&lt;http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types/radius-types.xml#radius-types-1&gt;</A>.
</PRE>
    <BR>
    Regards, Benoit.<BR>
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On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 16:46 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote:

...


> 
> - OLD
> 
> [RADIUSTypes]               IANA, "IANA Radius Attribute Values
>                                Registry", <http://www.iana.org/
>                                assignments/radius-types-3>.
> 
> NEW:
>    [RADIUSTypes]               IANA, "IANA Radius Attribute Values
>                                Registry", <http://www.iana.org/
>                                assignments/radius-types>.
> 
> 
> ALTERNATE PROPOSAL
> 
> [RADIUSTypes]               IANA, "IANA Radius Attribute Values
>                                Registry", <http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types/radius-types.xml#radius-types-1>.
> 
> 


Neither of these actually works, since the registry cited is not the
RADIUS Attribute Type registry but the RADIUS Attribute Value registry;
changed to
http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types/radius-types.xml#radius-types-3.


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On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 16:46 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote:<BR>
<BR>
...<BR>
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    - OLD
<PRE>
[RADIUSTypes]               IANA, &quot;IANA Radius Attribute Values
                               Registry&quot;, <A HREF="http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types-3">&lt;http://www.iana.org/</A>
<A HREF="http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types-3">                               assignments/radius-types-3&gt;</A>.

NEW:
   [RADIUSTypes]               IANA, &quot;IANA Radius Attribute Values
                               Registry&quot;, <A HREF="http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types">&lt;http://www.iana.org/</A>
<A HREF="http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types">                               assignments/radius-types&gt;</A>.
</PRE>
    <BR>
    ALTERNATE PROPOSAL
<PRE>
[RADIUSTypes]               IANA, &quot;IANA Radius Attribute Values
                               Registry&quot;, <A HREF="http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types/radius-types.xml#radius-types-1">&lt;http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types/radius-types.xml#radius-types-1&gt;</A>.
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Neither of these actually works, since the registry cited is not the RADIUS Attribute Type registry but the RADIUS Attribute Value registry; changed to http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types/radius-types.xml#radius-types-3.<BR>
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On Fri, 2012-07-13 at 07:32 +0000, lionel.morand@orange.com wrote:
> Hi Glen,
> 
>  
> 
> I donâ€™t think that asymmetrical security may be set up when
> considering diameter connections over TLS/DTLS or IPsec.  But I may be
> wrong.
> 
>  
> 
> However, as you highlight it, this should be covered in the security
> considerations of the 3588bis. I would then recommend removing the
> text from the RFC4005bis and seeing if something is missing in the
> section 13 of RFC3588bis. I think that the current text is ok but
> someone could find something missing.
> 
>  
> 
> Would it be OK?


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    I don&#8217;t think that asymmetrical security may be set up when considering diameter connections over TLS/DTLS or IPsec. &nbsp;But I may be wrong.<BR>
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    However, as you highlight it, this should be covered in the security considerations of the 3588bis. I would then recommend removing the text from the RFC4005bis and seeing if something is missing in the section 13 of RFC3588bis. I think that the current text is ok but someone could find something missing.<BR>
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	Filename        : draft-ietf-dime-pmip6-lr-15.txt
	Pages           : 12
	Date            : 2012-07-16

Abstract:
   In Proxy Mobile IPv6, packets received from a Mobile Node (MN) by the
   Mobile Access Gateway (MAG) to which it is attached are typically
   tunneled to a Local Mobility Anchor (LMA) for routing.  The term
   "localized routing" refers to a method by which packets are routed
   directly between an MN's MAG and the MAG of its Correspondent Node
   (CN) without involving any LMA.  In Diameter Proxy Mobile IPv6, it
   may be desirable to control the establishment of localized routing
   sessions between two MAGs in a Proxy Mobile IPv6 domain by requiring
   that the session be authorized.  This document specifies how to
   accomplish this using the Diameter protocol.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dime-pmip6-lr

There's also a htmlized version available at:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dime-pmip6-lr-15

A diff from previous version is available at:
http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-dime-pmip6-lr-15


Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
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The document has been updated according to the proposals I made last 
week, but I'm not sure I've gotten it right. Restricting redirection to 
servers meant fairly extensive changes. I think the issue is worth 
discussing in the meeting, and I'd be quite happy to roll back to using 
redirect servers if the consensus favours that.

It occurred to me that redirection need not necessarily disrupt existing 
sessions. It could just be applied to initial messages of a session. I 
added text that allowed an application incorporating realm-based 
redirection to specify which way to go.

I'm not tremendously happy with the following provision, added in 
response to a point raised by a reviewer:

o  If the request contains a Destination-Host AVP, the server MUST
    set the 'E' bit in the answer and set the Result-Code AVP to
    DIAMETER_UNABLE_TO_DELIVER.

This seems sub-optimal, since it doesn't allow the server to indicate 
that the whole realm is out of bounds.

Clearly this is going to need another WGLC because of the extent of the 
changes I've made. Could we have 15 minutes, or at least ten, to discuss 
issues with the draft at the meeting before we go any further?

Tom Taylor

On 15/07/2012 10:39 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
>   This draft is a work item of the Diameter Maintenance and Extensions Working Group of the IETF.
>
> 	Title           : Realm-Based Redirection In Diameter
> 	Author(s)       : Tina Tsou
>                            Ruibing Hao
>                            Tom Taylor
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-dime-realm-based-redirect-05.txt
> 	Pages           : 8
> 	Date            : 2012-07-15
>
> Abstract:
>     The Diameter protocol allows a Diameter redirect agent to specify one
>     or more individual hosts to which a Diameter message may be
>     redirected by an upstream Diameter node.  However, in some
>     circumstances an operator may wish to redirect messages to an
>     alternate domain without specifying individual hosts.  This document
>     specifies a mechanism by which this can be achieved.  New
>     applications may incorporate this capability by reference to the
>     present document.
>
...

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Tom,

10-15mins is definitely OK. I'd like to get the remaining issues
etc sorted out during Vancouver meeting.=20

- Jouni

On Jul 16, 2012, at 2:43 PM, Tom Taylor wrote:

> The document has been updated according to the proposals I made last =
week, but I'm not sure I've gotten it right. Restricting redirection to =
servers meant fairly extensive changes. I think the issue is worth =
discussing in the meeting, and I'd be quite happy to roll back to using =
redirect servers if the consensus favours that.
>=20
> It occurred to me that redirection need not necessarily disrupt =
existing sessions. It could just be applied to initial messages of a =
session. I added text that allowed an application incorporating =
realm-based redirection to specify which way to go.
>=20
> I'm not tremendously happy with the following provision, added in =
response to a point raised by a reviewer:
>=20
> o  If the request contains a Destination-Host AVP, the server MUST
>   set the 'E' bit in the answer and set the Result-Code AVP to
>   DIAMETER_UNABLE_TO_DELIVER.
>=20
> This seems sub-optimal, since it doesn't allow the server to indicate =
that the whole realm is out of bounds.
>=20
> Clearly this is going to need another WGLC because of the extent of =
the changes I've made. Could we have 15 minutes, or at least ten, to =
discuss issues with the draft at the meeting before we go any further?
>=20
> Tom Taylor
>=20
> On 15/07/2012 10:39 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>>=20
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts =
directories.
>>  This draft is a work item of the Diameter Maintenance and Extensions =
Working Group of the IETF.
>>=20
>> 	Title           : Realm-Based Redirection In Diameter
>> 	Author(s)       : Tina Tsou
>>                           Ruibing Hao
>>                           Tom Taylor
>> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-dime-realm-based-redirect-05.txt
>> 	Pages           : 8
>> 	Date            : 2012-07-15
>>=20
>> Abstract:
>>    The Diameter protocol allows a Diameter redirect agent to specify =
one
>>    or more individual hosts to which a Diameter message may be
>>    redirected by an upstream Diameter node.  However, in some
>>    circumstances an operator may wish to redirect messages to an
>>    alternate domain without specifying individual hosts.  This =
document
>>    specifies a mechanism by which this can be achieved.  New
>>    applications may incorporate this capability by reference to the
>>    present document.
>>=20
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On 15/07/2012 07:05, Glen Zorn wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 16:46 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote:
>
> ...
>
>>
>> - OLD
>> [RADIUSTypes]               IANA, "IANA Radius Attribute Values
>>                                 Registry",<http://www.iana.org/  <http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types-3>
>>                                 assignments/radius-types-3>  <http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types-3>.
>>
>> NEW:
>>     [RADIUSTypes]               IANA, "IANA Radius Attribute Values
>>                                 Registry",<http://www.iana.org/  <http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types>
>>                                 assignments/radius-types>  <http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types>.
>>
>> ALTERNATE PROPOSAL
>> [RADIUSTypes]               IANA, "IANA Radius Attribute Values
>>                                 Registry",<http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types/radius-types.xml#radius-types-1>  <http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types/radius-types.xml#radius-types-1>.
>>
>
> Neither of these actually works, since the registry cited is not the 
> RADIUS Attribute Type registry but the RADIUS Attribute Value 
> registry; changed to 
> http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types/radius-types.xml#radius-types-3.
Ok. fine.

Regards, Benoit.



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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/07/2012 07:05, Glen Zorn wrote:<br>
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      <br>
      ...<br>
      <br>
      <blockquote type="CITE"> <br>
        - OLD
        <pre>[RADIUSTypes]               IANA, "IANA Radius Attribute Values
                               Registry", <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types-3">&lt;http://www.iana.org/</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types-3">                               assignments/radius-types-3&gt;</a>.

NEW:
   [RADIUSTypes]               IANA, "IANA Radius Attribute Values
                               Registry", <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types">&lt;http://www.iana.org/</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types">                               assignments/radius-types&gt;</a>.
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        <br>
        ALTERNATE PROPOSAL
        <pre>[RADIUSTypes]               IANA, "IANA Radius Attribute Values
                               Registry", <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types/radius-types.xml#radius-types-1">&lt;http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types/radius-types.xml#radius-types-1&gt;</a>.
</pre>
        <br>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      Neither of these actually works, since the registry cited is not
      the RADIUS Attribute Type registry but the RADIUS Attribute Value
      registry; changed to
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types/radius-types.xml#radius-types-3">http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types/radius-types.xml#radius-types-3</a>.<br>
    </blockquote>
    Ok. fine.<br>
    <br>
    Regards, Benoit.<br>
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Hi Glen,
> On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 16:46 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote:
>> Dear all, Glen,
>>
>> Please find below the AD review of draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt
>>
>> The document is in a good enough shape to be sent to IETF LC.
>> Please consider my comments together with the other IETF LC comments.
>>
>> Glen, let me know if you plan on submitting a quick revision soon, or 
>> if I should send THIS version to the IETF LC (which might lead to 
>> redundant comment)
>>
>>
>> - Some idnits
>> http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt 
>>
>> Miscellaneous warnings:
>>    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>    == The document seems to use 'NOT RECOMMENDED' as an RFC 2119 keyword, but
>>       does not include the phrase in its RFC 2119 key words list.
>>
>> Checking references for intended status: Proposed Standard
>>    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>    == Missing Reference: 'BASE' is mentioned on line 219, but not defined
>>
>> I understand that this is a quote from RFC4005. To avoid the source 
>> of confusion, here is a proposal
>
> Rereading this, I don't know what confusion you mean.  It seems to be 
> fine English, pretty clear, and it doesn't seem like the change you 
> suggest is likely to unconfuse ID-nits.  What am I missing?
This proposal will not unconfuse ID-nits, but would make clear to the 
reader that this is a quote, and nobody would look for the [BASE] 
reference ... as this is quote from a different document.
Anyway, minor point. Change it in a next version if you believe that's 
an improvement.
>
>>
>> OLD:
>> However, the presence of an
>>        instance of the Acct-Application-Id AVP was required in RFC 4005,
>>        as well:
>>
>>           The ACR message [BASE] is sent by the NAS to report its session
>>           information to a target server downstream.
>>
>>           Either of Acct-Application-Id or Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
>>           AVPs MUST be present.  If the Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
>>           grouped AVP is present, it must have an Acct-Application-Id
>>           inside.
>> NEW:
>> However, the presence of an
>>        instance of the Acct-Application-Id AVP was required in RFC 4005,
>>        which quotes:
>>
>>           "The ACR message [BASE] is sent by the NAS to report its session
>>           information to a target server downstream.
>>
>>           Either of Acct-Application-Id or Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
>>           AVPs MUST be present.  If the Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
>>           grouped AVP is present, it must have an Acct-Application-Id
>>           inside."
>>
>> - I could not find the meaning of * in, for example,
>>
>>                            [ CHAP-Auth ]
>>                            [ CHAP-Challenge ]
>>                          * [ Framed-Compression ]
>>                            [ Framed-Interface-Id ]
>>                            [ Framed-IP-Address ]
>>                          * [ Framed-IPv6-Prefix ]
>>                            [ Framed-IP-Netmask ]
>>                            [ Framed-MTU ]
>>                            [ Framed-Protocol ]
>>                            [ ARAP-Password ]
>>                            [ ARAP-Security ]
>>                          * [ ARAP-Security-Data ]
>>                          * [ Login-IP-Host ]
>>                          * [ Login-IPv6-Host ]
>>                            [ Login-LAT-Group ]
>>                            [ Login-LAT-Node ]
>>                            [ Login-LAT-Port ]
>>                            [ Login-LAT-Service ]
>>                          * [ Tunneling ]
>>                          * [ Proxy-Info ]
>>                          * [ Route-Record ]
>>                          * [ AVP ]
>>
I believe that you have forgotten to include your proposed text:

    Note that the message formats in the following sub-sections use the
    standard Diameter Command Code Format ([I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis],
    Section 3.2).

Regards, Benoit.

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Glen,<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote cite="mid:1342327865.4180.3.camel@gwz-laptop"
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      On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 16:46 +0200, Benoit Claise wrote:<br>
      <blockquote type="CITE"> Dear all, Glen,<br>
        <br>
        Please find below the AD review of
        draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt<br>
        <br>
        The document is in a good enough shape to be sent to IETF LC. <br>
        Please consider my comments together with the other IETF LC
        comments. <br>
        <br>
        Glen, let me know if you plan on submitting a quick revision
        soon, or if I should send THIS version to the IETF LC (which
        might lead to redundant comment)<br>
        <br>
        <br>
        - Some idnits<br>
        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt">http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt</a>
        <pre>Miscellaneous warnings:
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

  == The document seems to use 'NOT RECOMMENDED' as an RFC 2119 keyword, but
     does not include the phrase in its RFC 2119 key words list.
</pre>
        <br>
        <pre>Checking references for intended status: Proposed Standard
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

  == Missing Reference: 'BASE' is mentioned on line 219, but not defined

</pre>
        I understand that this is a quote from RFC4005. To avoid the
        source of confusion, here is a proposal<br>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      Rereading this, I don't know what confusion you mean.Â  It seems to
      be fine English, pretty clear, and it doesn't seem like the change
      you suggest is likely to unconfuse ID-nits.Â  What am I missing?<br>
    </blockquote>
    This proposal will not unconfuse ID-nits, but would make clear to
    the reader that this is a quote, and nobody would look for the
    [BASE] reference ... as this is quote from a different document.<br>
    Anyway, minor point. Change it in a next version if you believe
    that's an improvement.<br>
    <blockquote cite="mid:1342327865.4180.3.camel@gwz-laptop"
      type="cite">
      <br>
      <blockquote type="CITE"> <br>
        OLD:
        <pre>However, the presence of an
      instance of the Acct-Application-Id AVP was required in RFC 4005,
      as well:

         The ACR message [BASE] is sent by the NAS to report its session
         information to a target server downstream.

         Either of Acct-Application-Id or Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
         AVPs MUST be present.  If the Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
         grouped AVP is present, it must have an Acct-Application-Id
         inside.
</pre>
        NEW:
        <pre>However, the presence of an
      instance of the Acct-Application-Id AVP was required in RFC 4005,
      which quotes:

         "The ACR message [BASE] is sent by the NAS to report its session
         information to a target server downstream.

         Either of Acct-Application-Id or Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
         AVPs MUST be present.  If the Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
         grouped AVP is present, it must have an Acct-Application-Id
         inside."
</pre>
        <blockquote> </blockquote>
        <pre>- I could not find the meaning of * in, for example,

                          [ CHAP-Auth ]
                          [ CHAP-Challenge ]
                        * [ Framed-Compression ]
                          [ Framed-Interface-Id ]
                          [ Framed-IP-Address ]
                        * [ Framed-IPv6-Prefix ]
                          [ Framed-IP-Netmask ]
                          [ Framed-MTU ]
                          [ Framed-Protocol ]
                          [ ARAP-Password ]
                          [ ARAP-Security ]
                        * [ ARAP-Security-Data ]
                        * [ Login-IP-Host ]
                        * [ Login-IPv6-Host ]
                          [ Login-LAT-Group ]
                          [ Login-LAT-Node ]
                          [ Login-LAT-Port ]
                          [ Login-LAT-Service ]
                        * [ Tunneling ]
                        * [ Proxy-Info ]
                        * [ Route-Record ]
                        * [ AVP ]

</pre>
      </blockquote>
    </blockquote>
    I believe that you have forgotten to include your proposed text:<br>
    <blockquote>
      Note that the message formats in the following sub-sections use
      the standard Diameter Command Code Format
      ([I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis], Section 3.2).<br>
    </blockquote>
    Regards, Benoit.<br>
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Folks,

See the draft agenda for the upcoming Dime WG meeting. We
got 2h to burn again this time.

- Jouni & Lionel

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* Administrativa                                    (chairs) 5 mins

* WG status update                                 (chairs) 10 mins

* Diameter overload control
 - Overload control justification and use cases    (Martin) 15 mins
 - draft-mcmurry-dime-overload-reqs              (Eric/Ben) 40 mins

* Group signaling
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* Realm based redirect
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* Design Guidelines
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As I missed the deadline for draft submission before the IETF meeting, plea=
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Any comments/views on this?

- Jouni


On Jun 21, 2012, at 2:17 PM, jouni korhonen wrote:

> Folks,
> 
> In Section 13.1 we have the following text:
> 
>   Diameter nodes MUST be able to negotiate the following TLS/TCP and
>   DTLS/SCTP cipher suites:
> 
>         TLS_RSA_WITH_RC4_128_MD5
>         TLS_RSA_WITH_RC4_128_SHA
>         TLS_RSA_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA
> 
>   Diameter nodes SHOULD be able to negotiate the following TLS/TCP and
>   DTLS/SCTP cipher suite:
> 
>         TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA
> 
>   Note that that it is quite possible that support for the
>   TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA ciphersuite will be REQUIRED at some
>   future date.  Diameter nodes MAY negotiate other TLS/TCP and DTLS/
>   SCTP cipher suites.
> 
> I know this is a bit late in the pipe but.. but RFC6347 (DTLS v1.2) has
> the following statement:
> 
>   The only stream cipher described in TLS 1.2 is RC4, which cannot be
>   randomly accessed.  RC4 MUST NOT be used with DTLS.
> 
> That does not go too well with the RFC3588bis MUST for RC4 stream ciphers.
> 
> Also RFC5246 states:
> 
>   In the absence of an application profile standard specifying
>   otherwise, a TLS-compliant application MUST implement the cipher
>   suite TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA..
> 
> Can we understand that the current text in RFC3588bis serves as the
> profile and the SHOULD there is then OK from the RFC5246 point of
> view?
> 
> - Jouni
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Folks,

The agenda has been updated:
http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/agenda/agenda-84-dime

Also, I solicit for volunteers for taking notes and doing scribe. If
you feel like doing a service for the community let co-chairs know :)

- Jouni & Lionel



On Jul 17, 2012, at 12:08 PM, jouni korhonen wrote:

> Folks,
> 
> See the draft agenda for the upcoming Dime WG meeting. We
> got 2h to burn again this time.
> 
> - Jouni & Lionel
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> * Administrativa                                    (chairs) 5 mins
> 
> * WG status update                                 (chairs) 10 mins
> 
> * Diameter overload control
> - Overload control justification and use cases    (Martin) 15 mins
> - draft-mcmurry-dime-overload-reqs              (Eric/Ben) 40 mins
> 
> * Group signaling
> - draft-ietf-dime-group-signaling                   (N.N.) 20 mins
> 
> * Realm based redirect
> - draft-ietf-dime-realm-based-redirect               (Tom) 15 mins
> 
> * Design Guidelines
> - draft-ietf-dime-app-design-guide                (Lionel) 15 mins
> 
> * AOB
> - If any time left..
> 
> 
> 


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On Fri, 2012-07-20 at 16:11 +0300, jouni korhonen wrote:


> Any comments/views on this?


Yes.


> 
> - Jouni
> 
> 
> On Jun 21, 2012, at 2:17 PM, jouni korhonen wrote:
> 
> > Folks,
> > 
> > In Section 13.1 we have the following text:
> > 
> >   Diameter nodes MUST be able to negotiate the following TLS/TCP and
> >   DTLS/SCTP cipher suites:
> > 
> >         TLS_RSA_WITH_RC4_128_MD5
> >         TLS_RSA_WITH_RC4_128_SHA
> >         TLS_RSA_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA
> > 
> >   Diameter nodes SHOULD be able to negotiate the following TLS/TCP and
> >   DTLS/SCTP cipher suite:
> > 
> >         TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA
> > 
> >   Note that that it is quite possible that support for the
> >   TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA ciphersuite will be REQUIRED at some
> >   future date.  Diameter nodes MAY negotiate other TLS/TCP and DTLS/
> >   SCTP cipher suites.
> > 
> > I know this is a bit late in the pipe but.. but RFC6347 (DTLS v1.2) has
> > the following statement:
> > 
> >   The only stream cipher described in TLS 1.2 is RC4, which cannot be
> >   randomly accessed.  RC4 MUST NOT be used with DTLS.
> > 
> > That does not go too well with the RFC3588bis MUST for RC4 stream ciphers.
> > 
> > Also RFC5246 states:
> > 
> >   In the absence of an application profile standard specifying
> >   otherwise, a TLS-compliant application MUST implement the cipher
> >   suite TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA..
> > 
> > Can we understand that the current text in RFC3588bis serves as the
> > profile and the SHOULD there is then OK from the RFC5246 point of
> > view?


Yes.


> > 
> > - Jouni
> > _______________________________________________
> > DiME mailing list
> > DiME@ietf.org
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dime
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On Jun 21, 2012, at 2:17 PM, jouni korhonen wrote:

&gt; Folks,
&gt; 
&gt; In Section 13.1 we have the following text:
&gt; 
&gt;   Diameter nodes MUST be able to negotiate the following TLS/TCP and
&gt;   DTLS/SCTP cipher suites:
&gt; 
&gt;         TLS_RSA_WITH_RC4_128_MD5
&gt;         TLS_RSA_WITH_RC4_128_SHA
&gt;         TLS_RSA_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA
&gt; 
&gt;   Diameter nodes SHOULD be able to negotiate the following TLS/TCP and
&gt;   DTLS/SCTP cipher suite:
&gt; 
&gt;         TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA
&gt; 
&gt;   Note that that it is quite possible that support for the
&gt;   TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA ciphersuite will be REQUIRED at some
&gt;   future date.  Diameter nodes MAY negotiate other TLS/TCP and DTLS/
&gt;   SCTP cipher suites.
&gt; 
&gt; I know this is a bit late in the pipe but.. but RFC6347 (DTLS v1.2) has
&gt; the following statement:
&gt; 
&gt;   The only stream cipher described in TLS 1.2 is RC4, which cannot be
&gt;   randomly accessed.  RC4 MUST NOT be used with DTLS.
&gt; 
&gt; That does not go too well with the RFC3588bis MUST for RC4 stream ciphers.
&gt; 
&gt; Also RFC5246 states:
&gt; 
&gt;   In the absence of an application profile standard specifying
&gt;   otherwise, a TLS-compliant application MUST implement the cipher
&gt;   suite TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA..
&gt; 
&gt; Can we understand that the current text in RFC3588bis serves as the
&gt; profile and the SHOULD there is then OK from the RFC5246 point of
&gt; view?
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&gt; 
&gt; - Jouni
&gt; _______________________________________________
&gt; DiME mailing list
&gt; <A HREF="mailto:DiME@ietf.org">DiME@ietf.org</A>
&gt; <A HREF="https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dime">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dime</A>

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Hi Glen,

Thanks for this new version.
Two points that need to be addressed.


1. It seems that you have forgotten what we agreed upon on the mailing list.

    How about this?

    OLD:
    3.  Diameter NAS Application Messages

        This section defines the Diameter message Command-Code
        [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis] values that MUST be supported by all
        Diameter implementations conforming to this specification.  The
        Command Codes are as follows:

    +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+
        | Command Name                      | Abbrev. | Code |
    Reference    |
    +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+
        | AA-Request                        |   AAR   |  265 | Section
    3.1  |
        | AA-Answer                         |   AAA   |  265 | Section
    3.2  |
        | Re-Auth-Request                   |   RAR   |  258 | Section
    3.3  |
        | Re-Auth-Answer                    |   RAA   |  258 | Section
    3.4  |
        | Session-Termination-Request       |   STR   |  275 | Section
    3.5  |
        | Session-Termination-Answer        |   STA   |  275 | Section
    3.6  |
        | Abort-Session-Request             |   ASR   |  274 | Section
    3.7  |
        | Abort-Session-Answer              |   ASA   |  274 | Section
    3.8  |
        | Accounting-Request                |   ACR   |  271 | Section
    3.9  |
        | Accounting-Answer                 |   ACA   |  271 | Section
    3.10 |
    +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+

    NEW:
    3.  Diameter NAS Application Messages

        This section defines the Diameter message Command-Code
        [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis] values that MUST be supported by all
        Diameter implementations conforming to this specification.  The
        Command Codes are as follows:

    +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+
        | Command Name                      | Abbrev. | Code |
    Reference    |
    +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+
        | AA-Request                        |   AAR   |  265 | Section
    3.1  |
        | AA-Answer                         |   AAA   |  265 | Section
    3.2  |
        | Re-Auth-Request                   |   RAR   |  258 | Section
    3.3  |
        | Re-Auth-Answer                    |   RAA   |  258 | Section
    3.4  |
        | Session-Termination-Request       |   STR   |  275 | Section
    3.5  |
        | Session-Termination-Answer        |   STA   |  275 | Section
    3.6  |
        | Abort-Session-Request             |   ASR   |  274 | Section
    3.7  |
        | Abort-Session-Answer              |   ASA   |  274 | Section
    3.8  |
        | Accounting-Request                |   ACR   |  271 | Section
    3.9  |
        | Accounting-Answer                 |   ACA   |  271 | Section
    3.10 |
    +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+

    Note that the message formats in the following sub-sections use the
    standard Diameter Command Code Format ([I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis],
    Section 3.2).



2. To be complete, and to let the DIME WG know, let me include what we 
have exchanged in a private email regarding the IANA pointer for the 
application id 1.

You asked for a statement and some consistency from the IESG.
- statement: The reference should be where the item in question is 
documented, not what registered it.
- consistency: right, we need to make this clear and not change it. 
Michelle Coton and Barry Leiba are working on an update to BCP 26 that 
will, in part, do just that, and you are welcome to comment on it when 
it's posted (during or shortly after IETF 84).

I propose that you add an "IANA note" in the IANA security section of 
draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt expressing something such as: as 
discussed with the IESG, application id 1 should point to <RFC4005bis.>



Please include those two points in the next revision of the draft, and 
I'll progress the draft to IETF LC.

Regards, Benoit.

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A new version (-10) has been submitted for draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-10.txt


The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis/

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    Hi Glen,<br>
    <br>
    Thanks for this new version.<br>
    Two points that need to be addressed.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    1. It seems that you have forgotten what we agreed upon on the
    mailing list.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote>How about this?<br>
      <br>
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      <br>
      Â Â  This section defines the Diameter message Command-Code<br>
      Â Â  [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis] values that MUST be supported by all<br>
      Â Â  Diameter implementations conforming to this specification.Â  The<br>
      Â Â  Command Codes are as follows:<br>
      <br>
      <tt>Â Â 
        +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+<br>
        Â Â  | Command NameÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  | Abbrev. | Code |
        ReferenceÂ Â Â  |<br>
        Â Â 
        +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+<br>
        Â Â  | AA-RequestÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  AARÂ Â  |Â  265 |
        Section 3.1Â  |<br>
        Â Â  | AA-AnswerÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  AAAÂ Â  |Â  265 |
        Section 3.2Â  |<br>
        Â Â  | Re-Auth-RequestÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  RARÂ Â  |Â  258 |
        Section 3.3Â  |<br>
        Â Â  | Re-Auth-AnswerÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  RAAÂ Â  |Â  258 |
        Section 3.4Â  |<br>
        Â Â  | Session-Termination-RequestÂ Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  STRÂ Â  |Â  275 |
        Section 3.5Â  |<br>
        Â Â  | Session-Termination-AnswerÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  STAÂ Â  |Â  275 |
        Section 3.6Â  |<br>
        Â Â  | Abort-Session-RequestÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  ASRÂ Â  |Â  274 |
        Section 3.7Â  |<br>
        Â Â  | Abort-Session-AnswerÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  ASAÂ Â  |Â  274 |
        Section 3.8Â  |<br>
        Â Â  | Accounting-RequestÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  ACRÂ Â  |Â  271 |
        Section 3.9Â  |<br>
        Â Â  | Accounting-AnswerÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  ACAÂ Â  |Â  271 |
        Section 3.10 |<br>
        Â Â 
        +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+</tt><br>
      <br>
      NEW:<br>
      3.Â  Diameter NAS Application Messages<br>
      <br>
      Â Â  This section defines the Diameter message Command-Code<br>
      Â Â  [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis] values that MUST be supported by all<br>
      Â Â  Diameter implementations conforming to this specification.Â  The<br>
      Â Â  Command Codes are as follows:<br>
      <br>
      <tt>Â Â 
        +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+<br>
        Â Â  | Command NameÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  | Abbrev. | Code |
        ReferenceÂ Â Â  |<br>
        Â Â 
        +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+<br>
        Â Â  | AA-RequestÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  AARÂ Â  |Â  265 |
        Section 3.1Â  |<br>
        Â Â  | AA-AnswerÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  AAAÂ Â  |Â  265 |
        Section 3.2Â  |<br>
        Â Â  | Re-Auth-RequestÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  RARÂ Â  |Â  258 |
        Section 3.3Â  |<br>
        Â Â  | Re-Auth-AnswerÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  RAAÂ Â  |Â  258 |
        Section 3.4Â  |<br>
        Â Â  | Session-Termination-RequestÂ Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  STRÂ Â  |Â  275 |
        Section 3.5Â  |<br>
        Â Â  | Session-Termination-AnswerÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  STAÂ Â  |Â  275 |
        Section 3.6Â  |<br>
        Â Â  | Abort-Session-RequestÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  ASRÂ Â  |Â  274 |
        Section 3.7Â  |<br>
        Â Â  | Abort-Session-AnswerÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  ASAÂ Â  |Â  274 |
        Section 3.8Â  |<br>
        Â Â  | Accounting-RequestÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  ACRÂ Â  |Â  271 |
        Section 3.9Â  |<br>
        Â Â  | Accounting-AnswerÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â  ACAÂ Â  |Â  271 |
        Section 3.10 |<br>
        Â Â 
        +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+<br>
      </tt>
      <br>
      Note that the message formats in the following sub-sections use
      the standard Diameter Command Code Format
      ([I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis], Section 3.2).</blockquote>
    <div class="moz-forward-container"><br>
      <br>
      2. To be complete, and to let the DIME WG know, let me include
      what we have exchanged in a private email regarding the IANA
      pointer for the application id 1.<br>
      <br>
      You asked for a statement and some consistency from the IESG.<br>
      - statement: The reference should be where the item in question is
      documented, not what registered it.<br>
      - consistency: right, we need to make this clear and not change
      it. Michelle Coton and Barry Leiba are working on an update to BCP
      26 that will, in part, do just that, and you are welcome to
      comment on it when it's posted (during or shortly after IETF 84).<br>
      <br>
      I propose that you add an "IANA note" in the IANA security section
      of draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt expressing something such as:
      as discussed with the IESG, application id 1 should point to
      &lt;RFC4005bis.&gt;<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Please include those two points in the next revision of the draft,
      and I'll progress the draft to IETF LC.<br>
      <br>
      Regards, Benoit.<br>
      <br>
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            <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">Subject:
            </th>
            <td>New Version Notification -
              draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-10.txt</td>
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            <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">Date: </th>
            <td>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 22:42:26 -0700</td>
          </tr>
          <tr>
            <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">From: </th>
            <td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a></td>
          </tr>
          <tr>
            <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">To: </th>
            <td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dime-chairs@tools.ietf.org">dime-chairs@tools.ietf.org</a>,
              <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis@tools.ietf.org">draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis@tools.ietf.org</a>,
              <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bclaise@cisco.com">bclaise@cisco.com</a></td>
          </tr>
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      <br>
      <pre>A new version (-10) has been submitted for draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-10.txt">http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-10.txt</a>


The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis/</a>

Diff from previous version:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-10">http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-10</a>

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On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 13:42 -0700, Benoit Claise wrote:

> Hi Glen,
> 
> Thanks for this new version.
> Two points that need to be addressed.
> 
> 
> 1. It seems that you have forgotten what we agreed upon on the mailing
> list.
> 
> 
>         How about this?
>         
>         OLD:
>         3.  Diameter NAS Application Messages
>         
>            This section defines the Diameter message Command-Code
>            [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis] values that MUST be supported by
>         all
>            Diameter implementations conforming to this specification.
>         The
>            Command Codes are as follows:
>         
>         
>         +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+
>            | Command Name                      | Abbrev. | Code |
>         Reference    |
>         
>         +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+
>            | AA-Request                        |   AAR   |  265 |
>         Section 3.1  |
>            | AA-Answer                         |   AAA   |  265 |
>         Section 3.2  |
>            | Re-Auth-Request                   |   RAR   |  258 |
>         Section 3.3  |
>            | Re-Auth-Answer                    |   RAA   |  258 |
>         Section 3.4  |
>            | Session-Termination-Request       |   STR   |  275 |
>         Section 3.5  |
>            | Session-Termination-Answer        |   STA   |  275 |
>         Section 3.6  |
>            | Abort-Session-Request             |   ASR   |  274 |
>         Section 3.7  |
>            | Abort-Session-Answer              |   ASA   |  274 |
>         Section 3.8  |
>            | Accounting-Request                |   ACR   |  271 |
>         Section 3.9  |
>            | Accounting-Answer                 |   ACA   |  271 |
>         Section 3.10 |
>         
>         +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+
>         
>         NEW:
>         3.  Diameter NAS Application Messages
>         
>            This section defines the Diameter message Command-Code
>            [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis] values that MUST be supported by
>         all
>            Diameter implementations conforming to this specification.
>         The
>            Command Codes are as follows:
>         
>         
>         +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+
>            | Command Name                      | Abbrev. | Code |
>         Reference    |
>         
>         +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+
>            | AA-Request                        |   AAR   |  265 |
>         Section 3.1  |
>            | AA-Answer                         |   AAA   |  265 |
>         Section 3.2  |
>            | Re-Auth-Request                   |   RAR   |  258 |
>         Section 3.3  |
>            | Re-Auth-Answer                    |   RAA   |  258 |
>         Section 3.4  |
>            | Session-Termination-Request       |   STR   |  275 |
>         Section 3.5  |
>            | Session-Termination-Answer        |   STA   |  275 |
>         Section 3.6  |
>            | Abort-Session-Request             |   ASR   |  274 |
>         Section 3.7  |
>            | Abort-Session-Answer              |   ASA   |  274 |
>         Section 3.8  |
>            | Accounting-Request                |   ACR   |  271 |
>         Section 3.9  |
>            | Accounting-Answer                 |   ACA   |  271 |
>         Section 3.10 |
>         
>         +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+
>         
>         Note that the message formats in the following sub-sections
>         use the standard Diameter Command Code Format
>         ([I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis], Section 3.2).
>         
> 
> 
> 2. To be complete, and to let the DIME WG know, let me include what we
> have exchanged in a private email regarding the IANA pointer for the
> application id 1.
> 
> You asked for a statement and some consistency from the IESG.
> - statement: The reference should be where the item in question is
> documented, not what registered it.
> - consistency: right, we need to make this clear and not change it.
> Michelle Coton and Barry Leiba are working on an update to BCP 26 that
> will, in part, do just that, and you are welcome to comment on it when
> it's posted (during or shortly after IETF 84).
> 
> I propose that you add an "IANA note" in the IANA security section of
> draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt expressing something such as: as
> discussed with the IESG, application id 1 should point to
> <RFC4005bis.>
> 
> 
> 
> Please include those two points in the next revision of the draft, and
> I'll progress the draft to IETF LC.


I'll submit it Monday evening.

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On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 13:42 -0700, Benoit Claise wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
    Hi Glen,<BR>
    <BR>
    Thanks for this new version.<BR>
    Two points that need to be addressed.<BR>
    <BR>
    <BR>
    1. It seems that you have forgotten what we agreed upon on the mailing list.<BR>
    <BR>
    <BLOCKQUOTE>
        How about this?<BR>
        <BR>
        OLD:<BR>
        3.&nbsp; Diameter NAS Application Messages<BR>
        <BR>
        &nbsp;&nbsp; This section defines the Diameter message Command-Code<BR>
        &nbsp;&nbsp; [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis] values that MUST be supported by all<BR>
        &nbsp;&nbsp; Diameter implementations conforming to this specification.&nbsp; The<BR>
        &nbsp;&nbsp; Command Codes are as follows:<BR>
        <BR>
        <TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+</TT><BR>
        <TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; | Command Name&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; | Abbrev. | Code | Reference&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |</TT><BR>
        <TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+</TT><BR>
        <TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; | AA-Request&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; AAR&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 265 | Section 3.1&nbsp; |</TT><BR>
        <TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; | AA-Answer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; AAA&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 265 | Section 3.2&nbsp; |</TT><BR>
        <TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; | Re-Auth-Request&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; RAR&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 258 | Section 3.3&nbsp; |</TT><BR>
        <TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; | Re-Auth-Answer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; RAA&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 258 | Section 3.4&nbsp; |</TT><BR>
        <TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; | Session-Termination-Request&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; STR&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 275 | Section 3.5&nbsp; |</TT><BR>
        <TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; | Session-Termination-Answer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; STA&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 275 | Section 3.6&nbsp; |</TT><BR>
        <TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; | Abort-Session-Request&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; ASR&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 274 | Section 3.7&nbsp; |</TT><BR>
        <TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; | Abort-Session-Answer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; ASA&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 274 | Section 3.8&nbsp; |</TT><BR>
        <TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; | Accounting-Request&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; ACR&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 271 | Section 3.9&nbsp; |</TT><BR>
        <TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; | Accounting-Answer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; ACA&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 271 | Section 3.10 |</TT><BR>
        <TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+</TT><BR>
        <BR>
        NEW:<BR>
        3.&nbsp; Diameter NAS Application Messages<BR>
        <BR>
        &nbsp;&nbsp; This section defines the Diameter message Command-Code<BR>
        &nbsp;&nbsp; [I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis] values that MUST be supported by all<BR>
        &nbsp;&nbsp; Diameter implementations conforming to this specification.&nbsp; The<BR>
        &nbsp;&nbsp; Command Codes are as follows:<BR>
        <BR>
        <TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+</TT><BR>
        <TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; | Command Name&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; | Abbrev. | Code | Reference&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |</TT><BR>
        <TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+</TT><BR>
        <TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; | AA-Request&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; AAR&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 265 | Section 3.1&nbsp; |</TT><BR>
        <TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; | AA-Answer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; AAA&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 265 | Section 3.2&nbsp; |</TT><BR>
        <TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; | Re-Auth-Request&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; RAR&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 258 | Section 3.3&nbsp; |</TT><BR>
        <TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; | Re-Auth-Answer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; RAA&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 258 | Section 3.4&nbsp; |</TT><BR>
        <TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; | Session-Termination-Request&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; STR&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 275 | Section 3.5&nbsp; |</TT><BR>
        <TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; | Session-Termination-Answer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; STA&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 275 | Section 3.6&nbsp; |</TT><BR>
        <TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; | Abort-Session-Request&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; ASR&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 274 | Section 3.7&nbsp; |</TT><BR>
        <TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; | Abort-Session-Answer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; ASA&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 274 | Section 3.8&nbsp; |</TT><BR>
        <TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; | Accounting-Request&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; ACR&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 271 | Section 3.9&nbsp; |</TT><BR>
        <TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; | Accounting-Answer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; ACA&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; 271 | Section 3.10 |</TT><BR>
        <TT>&nbsp;&nbsp; +-----------------------------------+---------+------+--------------+</TT><BR>
        <BR>
        Note that the message formats in the following sub-sections use the standard Diameter Command Code Format ([I-D.ietf-dime-rfc3588bis], Section 3.2).
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    <BR>
    2. To be complete, and to let the DIME WG know, let me include what we have exchanged in a private email regarding the IANA pointer for the application id 1.<BR>
    <BR>
    You asked for a statement and some consistency from the IESG.<BR>
    - statement: The reference should be where the item in question is documented, not what registered it.<BR>
    - consistency: right, we need to make this clear and not change it. Michelle Coton and Barry Leiba are working on an update to BCP 26 that will, in part, do just that, and you are welcome to comment on it when it's posted (during or shortly after IETF 84).<BR>
    <BR>
    I propose that you add an &quot;IANA note&quot; in the IANA security section of draft-ietf-dime-rfc4005bis-09.txt expressing something such as: as discussed with the IESG, application id 1 should point to &lt;RFC4005bis.&gt;<BR>
    <BR>
    <BR>
    <BR>
    Please include those two points in the next revision of the draft, and I'll progress the draft to IETF LC.<BR>
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I'll submit it Monday evening.<BR>
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#4: Review from Sebastien Decugis


Comment (by lionel.morand@â€¦):

 >> 1) (3.1.1) second list item (editorial):
 >> =======================================
 >>
 >> Furthermore, the redirect agent MUST a Redirect-Realm AVP
 >>
 >>     missing word?
 >>
 >> Response:
 >>
 >> Text in -05 version now reads:
 >>
 >>       The server MUST include the Result-Code AVP set to
 >>       DIAMETER_REALM_REDIRECT_INDICATION.  The server MUST also include
 >>       the alternate realm identifiers with which it has been
 configured,
 >>       each in a separate Redirect-Realm AVP instance.
 >>
 >> (Note that the redirect agent has been replaced by a server, at least
 >> until the WG debates the issue in Vancouver.)
 >
 > [SD] Sounds good to me, thanks.
 >
 >
 >> 2) (3.1.1) What if the the other peer advertised the Relay application?
 >> =====================================================================
 >> ===
 >>
 >> ==> Should the redirect agent consider that it supports the
 >> Redirect-Realm application?
 >>
 >> Response:
 >>
 >> Text in -05 version no longer discusses applications supported by the
 >> upstream peer. New section 3.2.2 specifies rerouting by a conforming
 >> proxy, but I think a relay would just have to pass the answer back
 >> upstream because rerouting requires changes to the request. Should
 >> that be stated explicitly?
 >
 > [SD] Indeed you are right, since the proxy has to change the
 > Destination-Realm AVP, it is not a simple relay anymore. I guess this
 > does not require a clarification in the document, the new text is
 > clear enough.
 >
 >
 >>  3) (3.1.1) "the message MUST include the Error- Reporting-Host AVP
 >> if the host setting the Result-Code AVP is different from the
 >> identity encoded in the Origin-Host AVP,"
 >> =====================================================================
 >> =
 >>
 >> ==> IIUC this is an impossible situation, since the Redirect Agent
 >> did not forward the Request. I believe this text could be removed for
 >> clarity.
 >>
 >> Response:
 >>
 >> Done.
 >
 > [SD] Thanks
 >
 >
 >>
 >>  4) (3.1.2)
 >> ===========
 >>
 >> ==> What if the original request contains a Destination-Host AVP? In
 >> that case, should a UNABLE_TO_DELIVER error be returned? There is
 >> probably no point in sending to the alternate realm with a
 >> Destination-Host in the previous realm, right? Unless maybe if the
 >> Destination-Realm of the request message does not match the
 >> Origin-Realm of the Redirect indication (change of broker for
 >> example). Any opinion?
 >>
 >> Response:
 >>
 >> Text is currently written as follows:
 >>
 >>   o  If the request contains a Destination-Host AVP, the server MUST
 >>       set the 'E' bit in the answer and set the Result-Code AVP to
 >>       DIAMETER_UNABLE_TO_DELIVER.
 >>
 >> However, I don't really like that -- important information is not
 >> getting back upstream. Rereading your comment, I'm thinking the
 >> appropriate behaviour is to set DIAMETER_REALM_REDIRECT_INDICATION in
 >> this case, too. The proxy is told (in new section 3.2.2):
 >>
 >>        B.  Remove the Destination-Host (if present) and Destination-
 >>            Realm AVPs from the original request and add a new
 >>            Destination-Realm AVP containing the realm selected in the
 >>            initial step.
 >>
 >> So this case is taken care of properly and the server bullet quoted
 >> above should be deleted. I had meant to bring this up for discussion
 >> in Vancouver, but at this point the proper behaviour seems obvious.
 >
 > [SD] I am not quite clear on which one is the proper behavior to adopt
 > (reply an error or redirect to the realm in any case) and I'll let the
 > WG status on this. I am fine with both choices, as long as they are
 > clear in the document. Note that I guess the debate is really to know
 > how the Destination-Host AVP is used. If you consider for example the
 > Diameter EAP application, this AVP is used to ensure that further
 > messages in a session will reach the same Diameter server as the
 > initial message. Redirecting such middle-session messages would not
 > have any meaning. I guess this might be left as a choice for the
 > applications implementing this RFC...
 >
 >
 >>  5) (3.2)
 >> =========
 >>
 >> ==> This section does not give the value of the M flag for the new
 >> AVP. By the semantics of the application, I believe the M flag should
 >> be set, right?
 >>
 >> Response:
 >>
 >> Relevant text is now in section 3.3. Last sentence reads:
 >>
 >>    The M flag for the Redirect-Realm AVP MUST be set, and the V flag
 >>    MUST NOT be set.
 >
 > [SD] Perfect :)

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 Reporter:  lionel.morand@â€¦       |       Owner:
     Type:  enhancement           |      Status:  new
 Priority:  major                 |   Milestone:
Component:  realm-based-redirect  |     Version:
 Severity:  In WG Last Call       |  Resolution:
 Keywords:                        |
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#4: Review from Sebastien Decugis

Changes (by lionel.morand@â€¦):

 * status:  new => closed
 * resolution:   => fixed


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Component:  realm-based-redirect  |     Version:
 Severity:  In WG Last Call       |  Resolution:  fixed
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#11: Review of the draft-ietf-dime-realm-based-redirect-03

Changes (by lionel.morand@â€¦):

 * status:  new => closed
 * resolution:   => fixed


Comment:

 On 12-07-30 01:54 PM, lionel.morand@orange.com wrote:
 > Hi Tom,
 >
 > I'm in line with the response from Jouni.
 > As proposed by Jouni, a note at the beginning of 3 or 3.1 will be
 suitable.
 > Please acknowledge and I'll close the ticket.
 >
 > Lionel
 >
 > -----Message d'origine-----
 > De : jouni korhonen [mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com] EnvoyÃ© : mardi 24
 > juillet 2012 09:22 Ã€ : Tom Taylor Cc : MORAND Lionel RD-CORE Objet :
 > Re: Ticket 11: draft-ietf-dime-realm-based-redirect
 >
 > Hi
 >
 > Which Ticket this was? ;) hmm.. #11 by Lionel I assume..? I have just
 > two notes below. Other than those, I think this is OK.
 >
 >
 > On Jul 24, 2012, at 4:34 AM, Tom Taylor wrote:
 >
 >> Hi, Jouni
 >>
 >> Your turn to decide if a ticket can be closed.
 >>
 >> Tom Taylor
 >>
 >>
 >> Comment 1
 >> =========
 >>
 >>     o If the peer from which the request was received did not advertise
 >>       an application incorporating the realm-based routing capability
 in the CER/CEA exchange, the redirect agent SHOULD set the 'E' bit in the
 answer and set the Result Code to DIAMETER_UNABLE_TO_DELIVER. As an
 alternative, the redirect agent MAY if so configured provide a host-based
 redirect as described in Section 6.1.7 of [RFC3588].
 >>
 >> ==> This last sentence assumes both types of redirection information
 can be provisioned in the Redirect Agent. Should we allow such a
 configuration? If so, how does the Redirect Agent know what information
 should be used when the originator of the request support both redirection
 indication mechanisms (i.e. priority, order, etc.)?
 >>
 >> Response:
 >>
 >> Text giving the alternative was deleted.
 >>
 >> Comment 2
 >> =========
 >>
 >>     o Otherwise, if an application supporting the use of realm-based
 >>
 >>         redirection was negotiated with the peer, the redirect agent
 MUST set the Result-Code AVP to DIAMETER_REALM_REDIRECT_INDICATION rather
 than DIAMETER_REDIRECT_INDICATION.
 >>
 >> ==> Otherwise, if an application supporting the use of realm-based
 >> redirection was negotiated with the peer/
 >>
 >>     Otherwise, if the request is for an application supporting
 >> realm-based redirection,
 >>
 >> Response:
 >>
 >> Text rewritten, clearer that it is application-based behaviour without
 talking about negotiation.
 >>
 >> Comment 3
 >> =========
 >>
 >>         Furthermore, the redirect agent MUST a Redirect-Realm AVP
 containing the realm from the routing table entry in its answer message
 instead of one or more Redirect-Host AVPs.
 >>
 >> ==> s/the redirect agent MUST a Redirect-Realm AVP/the redirect agent
 >> MUST include in the answer a Redirect-Realm AVP
 >>
 >> Response:
 >>
 >> Done.
 >>
 >> Comment 4
 >> =========
 >>
 >>     To prevent confusion at Diameter nodes receiving the answer
 message, the message MUST include the Error- Reporting-Host AVP if the
 host setting the Result-Code AVP is different from the identity encoded in
 the Origin-Host AVP, in conformity with Section 7.1 of [RFC3588].
 >>
 >> ==> Why should we use the Error-Reporting-Host AVP here? The Origin-
 host AVP of the answer will be the diameter indeity of the Redirect
 server, no?
 >>
 >> Response:
 >>
 >> That text deleted.
 >>
 >> Comment 5
 >> =========
 >>
 >>     All other aspects of Section 6.1.7 remain the same as for host-
 based redirection.
 >>
 >> ==> the use of Redirect-Host-usage AVP and Redirect-Max-Cache-Time AVP
 is not exactly the same; Both are related to the Redirect-Host AVP that
 can be found in the answer. In the Realm-based redirection, these AVPs
 have to be associated with the peer resulting of the realm-based discovery
 mechanism, as described in section 3.2. This should be also clarified at
 this stage.
 >>
 >> Response:
 >>
 >> -05 text reads:
 >>
 >>       The server MAY include a copy of the Redirect-Host-Usage AVP,
 >>       which SHOULD be set to REALM_AND_APPLICATION.  If this AVP is
 >>       added, the Redirect-Max-Cache-Time AVP MUST also be included.
 >>       Note that these AVPs apply to the peer discovered by a node
 acting
 >>       on the server's response, as described in the next section.
 >>
 >> Comment 6
 >> =========
 >>
 >> 3.1.2. Behaviour of Other Diameter Nodes
 >>
 >>     A Diameter node conforming to this specification which receives an
 answer with the result code value DIAMETER_REALM_REDIRECT_INDICATION
 SHOULD attempt to reroute the request to the indicated realm using normal
 discovery procedures to find an appropriate destination host. The
 receiving Diameter node SHOULD update its cache of routing entries
 according to the direction provided by the Redirect-Max- Cache-Time AVP,
 if present. The cache entry SHOULD be associated with a redirect usage of
 REALM_AND_APPLICATION.
 >>
 >> ==> RFC3588 says that the Redirect-Max-Cache-Time AVP and Redirect-
 Host-Usage AVP is associated with the redirect-host AVP. Here, the use of
 this AVP are modified/enhanced to be associated with the peer discovered
 based on the Realm-based redirection.
 >>
 >> Response:
 >>
 >> I may have fallen short here. With the change from -04 to -05, I
 deleted text about modifying 3588 with respect to these two AVPs. The
 current text in section 3.2.2 reads (bullet 4):
 >>
 >>        A.  update its cache of routing entries for the realm and
 >>            application to which the original request was directed,
 >>            taking into account the Redirect-Host-Usage and Redirect-
 Max-
 >>            Cache-Time AVPs, if present in the answer.
 >>
 >> Do I need to note that this is a modification of 3588bis behaviour?
 > That could be appropriate, I think.
 >
 >
 >
 >> Comment 7
 >> =========
 >>
 >> 3.2. The Redirect-Realm AVP
 >>
 >>     The Redirect-Realm AVP (code TBD) is of type DiameterIdentity?. It
 specifies a realm to which a node receiving a redirect indication
 containing the result code value DIAMETER_REALM_REDIRECT_INDICATION and
 the Redirect-Realm AVP SHOULD route the original request. The V flag for
 the Redirect-Realm AVP MUST NOT be set.
 >>
 >>     Section 6.14 of [RFC3588] is modified to permit the Redirect- Max-
 Cache-Time AVP to be used also to specify the persistence of cache entries
 created by the Redirect-Realm AVP.
 >>
 >> ==> the same kind of information should be present for the use of
 Redirect-Host-Usage AVP.
 >>
 >> Response:
 >>
 >> Same issue as previous comment, of course. The real question is: if I
 add the text referring to the added behaviour, in which section should I
 put it?
 >>
 > First in the header "Updates RFC3588bis (if approved)"
 > Second I would add a bit of explanation into Section 3 or 3.1. They
 > already have a good head start with bullet lists.
 >
 > - Jouni
 >
 >
 Acknowledged and noted in my presentation charts.

-- 
----------------------------------+---------------------
 Reporter:  lionel.morand@â€¦       |       Owner:
     Type:  defect                |      Status:  closed
 Priority:  major                 |   Milestone:
Component:  realm-based-redirect  |     Version:
 Severity:  In WG Last Call       |  Resolution:  fixed
 Keywords:                        |
----------------------------------+---------------------

Ticket URL: <http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/wg/dime/trac/ticket/11#comment:1>
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	Title           : Diameter Applications Design Guidelines
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   The Diameter Base protocol provides facilities for protocol
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   to extend the Diameter Base protocol.  It is meant as a guidelines
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   Diameter support for ERP.  It defines a new Diameter ERP application
   to transport ERP messages between an ER authenticator and the ER
   server, and a set of new AVPs that can be used to transport the
   cryptographic material needed by the re-authentication server.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
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	Title           : Diameter Support for Proxy Mobile IPv6 Localized Routing
	Author(s)       : Glen Zorn
                          Qin Wu
                          Jouni Korhonen
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dime-pmip6-lr-16.txt
	Pages           : 12
	Date            : 2012-07-31

Abstract:
   In Proxy Mobile IPv6, packets received from a Mobile Node (MN) by the
   Mobile Access Gateway (MAG) to which it is attached are typically
   tunneled to a Local Mobility Anchor (LMA) for routing.  The term
   "localized routing" refers to a method by which packets are routed
   directly between an MN's MAG and the MAG of its Correspondent Node
   (CN) without involving any LMA.  In a Proxy Mobile IPv6 deployment,
   it may be desirable to control the establishment of localized routing
   sessions between two MAGs in a Proxy Mobile IPv6 domain by requiring
   that the session be authorized.  This document specifies how to
   accomplish this using the Diameter protocol.


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Dear Secretary,

This is a request for publication of draft-ietf-dime-erp-12 as a =
standards track RFC.=20

- Jouni

-------------------------------------------------------

(1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard,
Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)?  Why
is this the proper type of RFC?  Is this type of RFC indicated in the
title page header?

	Diameter Support for the EAP Re-authentication Protocol (ERP) is =
to
       be published as a Standards Track RFC, which is indicated in the
       I-D's cover page Intended Status field.

	Diameter Support for the EAP Re-authentication Protocol =
complements
	the Hokey WG's EAP Re-authentication work and provides the =
needed
	AAA backend support for both ER servers and EAP servers.

(2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement
Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent
examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved
documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections:

Technical Summary

	The EAP Re-authentication Protocol (ERP) defines extensions to =
the
	Extensible Authentication Protocol (EAP) to support efficient =
re-
	authentication between the peer and an EAP Re-authentication =
(ER)
	server through a compatible authenticator.  This document =
specifies
	Diameter support for ERP.  It defines a new Diameter ERP =
application
	to transport ERP messages between an ER authenticator and the ER
	server, and a set of new AVPs that can be used to transport the
	cryptographic material needed by the re-authentication server.

Working Group Summary

	The I-D has been discussed extensively in the DIME WG and has
       reached the overall working group consensus. The work has been
	done in a cooperation with the Hokey WG that defined the EAP
	Re-authentication Protocol solution.

Document Quality

	There are no publicly announced implementations of the protocol.

Personnel

 Who is the Document Shepherd? Who is the Responsible Area
 Director?

      Jouni Korhonen (jouni.nospam@gmail.com) is the document
      shepherd.

(3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by
the Document Shepherd.  If this version of the document is not ready
for publication, please explain why the document is being forwarded to
the IESG.

      The document shepherd has reviewed the document after it has
      concluded the WGLC. The document shepherd thinks the document
      is ready for publication.

(4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or
breadth of the reviews that have been performed? =20

      No.

(5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from
broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS,
DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that
took place.

	The document has yet to be reviewed by the AAA and security
	directorate.

(6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd
has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the
IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable
with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really
is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and
has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those
concerns here.

	The document shepherd has no specific concerns regarding the
	I-D itself. The document shepherd expects that the long lasting
	topic on sensitive information transport, such as key material,
	over Diameter gets discussed again. However, this is a known
	feature of Diameter and its hop-by-hop security properties. The
	existing security considerations should cover this when it
	references to e.g. I-D.ietf-dime-local-keytran.

(7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR
disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78
and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why.

       No IPRs have been declared.

(8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document?
If so, summarize any WG discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR
disclosures.

       No IPRs have been declared.

(9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it=20
represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others
being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it?  =20=


       The WG consensus is solid and does not represent only the
       opinion of few individuals.

(10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme=20
discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate
email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a
separate email because this questionnaire is publicly available.)=20

       No.

(11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this
document. (See http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts
Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be
thorough.

       The document passes IDnits.

(12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review
criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews.

       The document does not define MIBs, media types, URIs etc.

(13) Have all references within this document been identified as
either normative or informative?

       Yes.

(14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for
advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative
references exist, what is the plan for their completion?

       No.

(15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)?
If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in =
the
Last Call procedure.=20

       No.

(16) Will publication of this document change the status of any
existing RFCs? Are those RFCs listed on the title page header, listed
in the abstract, and discussed in the introduction? If the RFCs are not
listed in the Abstract and Introduction, explain why, and point to the
part of the document where the relationship of this document to the
other RFCs is discussed. If this information is not in the document,
explain why the WG considers it unnecessary.

       No.

(17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA considerations
section, especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the
document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that the document makes
are associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries.
Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly
identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include a
detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry, that
allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and a
reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC 5226).

	The document only requests for code points and values from an
	existing IANA registry.

(18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for future
allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would find
useful in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries.

	None.

(19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by the Document
Shepherd to validate sections of the document written in a formal
language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc.

	Checked with IDnits and against ietf-dime-rfc3588bis CCF (a
	modified ABNF).=

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.
 This draft is a work item of the Diameter Maintenance and Extensions Worki=
ng Group of the IETF.

	Title           : Diameter Support for Proxy Mobile IPv6 Localized Routing
	Author(s)       : Glen Zorn
                          Qin Wu
                          Jouni Korhonen
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dime-pmip6-lr-17.txt
	Pages           : 12
	Date            : 2012-07-31

Abstract:
   In Proxy Mobile IPv6, packets received from a Mobile Node (MN) by the
   Mobile Access Gateway (MAG) to which it is attached are typically
   tunneled to a Local Mobility Anchor (LMA) for routing.  The term
   "localized routing" refers to a method by which packets are routed
   directly between an MN's MAG and the MAG of its Correspondent Node
   (CN) without involving any LMA.  In a Proxy Mobile IPv6 deployment,
   it may be desirable to control the establishment of localized routing
   sessions between two MAGs in a Proxy Mobile IPv6 domain by requiring
   that the session be authorized.  This document specifies how to
   accomplish this using the Diameter protocol.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dime-pmip6-lr

There's also a htmlized version available at:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dime-pmip6-lr-17

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