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([2620:0:2b10:210:bd2a:ec62:4f23:ab97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id y9sm12294097igl.6.2015.04.01.07.48.36 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Apr 2015 07:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <551C053C.3090703@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 07:48:28 -0700 From: Jouni Korhonen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lionel.morand@orange.com References: <551393FF.1090700@gmail.com> <25531_1427823666_551ADC32_25531_3828_1_6B7134B31289DC4FAF731D844122B36EEF739B@PEXCVZYM13.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <31522_1427879576_551BB697_31522_12397_1_6B7134B31289DC4FAF731D844122B36EF095B5@PEXCVZYM13.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <31522_1427879576_551BB697_31522_12397_1_6B7134B31289DC4FAF731D844122B36EF095B5@PEXCVZYM13.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "dime@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Dime] realm vs domain (was: Allowed host and realm naming for a diameter node) X-BeenThere: dime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Diameter Maintanence and Extentions Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 14:48:42 -0000 You still need to care for implementations that do put FQDN into Origin-Realm (or Destination-Realm). - Jouni 4/1/2015, 2:12 AM, lionel.morand@orange.com kirjoitti: > Hi Jouni, > > Some magic might exist somewhere to fix some weird implementation, for sure. But the RFC6733 was actually meant to fix in a generic way those issues. Therefore, if someone comes to say that using FQDN as realm is correct according to RFC3588, I would only say "please refer to the RFC6733 to see what should be the correct implementation of the base protocol" :) > > Lionel > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Jouni.nosmap [mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com] > Envoyé : mardi 31 mars 2015 21:06 > À : MORAND Lionel IMT/OLN > Cc : Henrik Villför; dime@ietf.org > Objet : Re: [Dime] realm vs domain (was: Allowed host and realm naming for a diameter node) > > > > Sent from a smart phone.. Mind the typos.. > >> kirjoitti 31.3.2015 kello 10.41: >> >> Hi, >> >> Please see below. >> >> Lionel >> >> -----Message d'origine----- >> De : DiME [mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Jouni Korhonen >> Envoyé : jeudi 26 mars 2015 06:07 À : Henrik Villför; dime@ietf.org >> Objet : Re: [Dime] realm vs domain (was: Allowed host and realm naming >> for a diameter node) >> >> Hi, >> >> 3/25/2015, 1:18 AM, Henrik Villför kirjoitti: >>> Hi, >>> >>> a follow up on the question below. >>> >>> Is there anything in the base specification requiring the realm in >>> the Origin-Realm AVP to be the same as the domain part of the Origin-Host AVP? >>> >>> Would the following be allowed? >>> >>> Origin-Realm: realmexample.com >>> >>> Origin-Host: node.domainexample.com >> >> Based on my reading of RFC6733 yes.. but when reading RFC3588 no'ish. >> The subttle change between these two was: >> >> OLD: >> DiameterIdentity = FQDN >> NEW: >> DiameterIdentity = FQDN/Realm >> >> And when reading the text on a DiameterIdentity a Diameter node _should_ (ok.. the should is not must..) only use one DiameterIdentity which means the FQDN in Origin-Host and Origin-Realm should be the same.. >> >> [LM]> not sure to understand what the text above means. In RFC3588, the definition in sect 4.3 was clearly an error as the text in sect 6.4 sect 6.6 was already saying that: >> >> The Origin-Realm AVP (AVP Code 296) is of type DiameterIdentity. >> This AVP contains the Realm of the originator of any Diameter message >> and MUST be present in all messages. > > We need to remembet that with Diameter realm is piggybacked in DNS. So if your Origin-Realm is an FQDN and you just extract the domain part of it when using it, you achieved the same as realm. This to work properly requires some magic sauce.. which e.g. for certain deployments is described in system specific specs. > >> >> The Destination-Realm AVP (AVP Code 283) is of type DiameterIdentity, >> and contains the realm the message is to be routed to. >> >> [LM]> So a DiameterIdentity was meant to be either an FQDN or a Realm, depending of its use as x-Host or x-Realm AVP value. If someone was implementing the Diameter identity of a realm as an FQDN, it would be an error. And this was fixed with RFC6733. > > I would bet there is stuff out there.. > > - jouni > > >> >>> Also, although none of the examples of Diameter host identities in >>> rfc >>> 6733 show an FQDN with a trailing dot it should be allowed, but a >>> realm may not end in a dot. >> >> AFAIR the FQDN first appeared in RFC1206.. none of the FQDN examples use the trailing ".". Anyway, referring to RFC1034 and the "relative names" >> it is stated that: >> >> -- >> Relative names are either taken relative to a well known origin, or to a list of domains used as a search list. Relative names appear mostly at the user interface, where their interpretation varies from implementation to implementation, and in master files, where they are relative to a single origin domain name. The most common interpretation uses the root "." as either the single origin or as one of the members of the search list, so a multi-label relative name is often one where the trailing dot has been omitted to save typing. >> -- >> >> Thus it is expected that the resolver library (or equivalent) knows when to add the missing "." e.g. when the domain name is supposed to be a DiameterIdentity. >> >>> So, this should be allowed: >>> >>> Origin-Host: node.domainexample.com. >> >> Irrespective of my above rant, I agree. >> >>> This should not be allowed: >>> >>> Origin-Realm: realmexample.com. >> >> Agree (since the example shows a realm). >> >> - Jouni >> >>> (Sorry about the ugly cut'n'paste. Just joined the list and found the >>> recent post below in the archive.) >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> >>> Henrik Villför >>> >>> --------- >>> >>> Hi Lars, >>> >>> According to the base protocol, there is no such restriction. When >>> the DiameterIdentity format is used to identify a Diameter node, the >>> only requirement is that: >>> >>> * the DiameterIdentity value in Origin/Destination-Host AVP is an FQDN. >>> >>> * there is at least one peer table in the realm identified by the >>> Origin/Destination-Realm AVP that contains the host identified by the FQDN. >>> >>> So Example 2 is perfectly valid from a base protocol point of view, >>> as long as there is at least one node in "example.com " >>> with a transport connection with the peer "node.site1.example.com >>> ". >>> >>> Now, some Diameter applications may have defined specific rules >>> regarding the format of realm/host identity, with explicit >>> restrictions/limitations. It is then required to check if there is >>> any of these restrictions defined in the related specification. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Lionel >>> >>> De : DiME [mailto:dime-bounces at ietf.org >>> ] De la part de Lars Jørgen Lillehovde Envoyé : >>> dimanche 15 mars 2015 12:54 À : dime at ietf.org >>> Objet >>> : [Dime] Allowed host and realm naming for a diameter node >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm trying to clarify the allowed naming convension for the host and >>> realm of a diameter node. This relates to the values used in the >>> Origin-Host AVP (AVP Code 264) and Origin-Realm AVP (AVP Code 296). >>> I've reviewed the Diameter RFCs and cannot find a definitive answer >>> to this issue. >>> >>> The reason for asking this question is that I'm in discussion with a >>> vendor of a Diameter Routing Agent (DRA) which claims that the host >>> of a diameter node has to be in the format host.realm. >>> >>> (1) Example of the only allowed format according to the vendor: >>> >>> Origin-Realm: example.com >>> >>> Origin-Host: node.example.com >>> >>> I want to clarify if multiple subdomains are allowed to be added in >>> the host without being present in the realm. >>> >>> (2) Example: >>> >>> Origin-Realm: example.com >>> >>> Origin-Host: node.site1.example.com >>> >>> According to the vendor, the example 2 is not allowed. To have the >>> host as in example 2, the realm will have to be site1.example.com >>> . >>> >>> Could someone please clarify this naming issue or point me to the >>> standard where this is defined. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Lars J. Lillehovde >>> >>> _____________________________________________________________________ >>> _ ___________________________________________________ >>> >>> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations >>> confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, >>> exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message >>> par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi >>> que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles >>> d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete >>> altere, deforme ou falsifie. 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tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, J_CHICKENPOX_56=0.6, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n1xsPvSPYqo4 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 11:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biz131.inmotionhosting.com (biz131.inmotionhosting.com [173.247.247.250]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E1781A1A7C for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 11:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpe-76-183-208-111.tx.res.rr.com ([76.183.208.111]:49843 helo=Steves-MacBook-Air.local) by biz131.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (UNKNOWN:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1YdNW7-000CWk-47; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 11:37:32 -0700 Message-ID: <551C3AEB.3030008@usdonovans.com> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 13:37:31 -0500 From: Steve Donovan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jouni Korhonen References: <20150126150303.15610.1562.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <5511D1AA.40804@usdonovans.com> <55138C07.2070007@gmail.com> <5515AAF0.8020502@usdonovans.com> <40F74E87-BC08-4822-A29E-3D2BE026BF6C@gmail.com> <551B3E18.1020907@usdonovans.com> <551B7D90.7040109@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <551B7D90.7040109@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - biz131.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - usdonovans.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: biz131.inmotionhosting.com: authenticated_id: srd+usdonovans.com/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed Archived-At: Cc: "dime@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Dime] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02.txt X-BeenThere: dime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Diameter Maintanence and Extentions Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 18:37:35 -0000 Jouni, I agree with your points on integrity protection. My concern is encryption of headers used in making routing decisions. Steve On 4/1/15 12:09 AM, Jouni Korhonen wrote: > Steve, > > Inline. > > 3/31/2015, 5:38 PM, Steve Donovan kirjoitti: >> inline >> >> On 3/27/15 4:40 PM, Jouni.nosmap wrote: >>> Hi Steve, >>> >>> Inline.. >>> >>> Sent from a smart phone.. Mind the typos.. >>> >>>> Steve Donovan kirjoitti 27.3.2015 kello >>>> 14.09: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 3/25/15 11:33 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote: >>>>> Steve, >>>>> >>>>> See inline.. >>>>> >>>>> 3/24/2015, 2:05 PM, Steve Donovan kirjoitti: >>>>>> A few comments on this document. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would suggest adding the following requirement -- The solution >>>>>> MUST >>>>>> ensure that routing AVPs are always sent in the clear. >>>>> By routing AVPs you refer to Router-Record and Proxy-Info as per >>>>> RFC6733, right? In that case I do not see a reason for the "are >>>>> always sent in the clear". >>>> SRD> No, I mean Destination-Host, Destination-Realm, Origin-Host and >>>> Origin-Realm. >>> Ok. Makes sense. However, integrity protecting above AVP should still >>> be fine and allowed. At least the Origin-* AVPs. >> SRD2> Origin-Host and Origin-Realm are also used for making routing >> decisions. What is the value in integrity protecting these AVPs? Any >> agent based scenario would require that all agents in the path be able >> to decrypt the AVPs to make routing decisions. Why isn't it better to >> just say that these AVPs MUST NOT be integrity protected? > > Integrity protection does not hide the content from intermediates. It > only makes the end points to detect if those AVPs have been altered. I > do want to know if someone tampered my AVPs that I care about (what > those AVPs are depends on the policy). > >>> >>>>>> Requirement 5 does indicate that not all AVPs are covered by the " >>>>>> cryptographic protection". I think it would be better to be clear >>>>>> that >>>>>> there is a set of AVPs that MUST NOT be encrypted. >>>>> OK. >>>>> >>>>>> In addition, the following requirement might be useful -- The >>>>>> solution >>>>>> MUST support the ability to identify other non routing AVPs that >>>>>> must >>>>>> always be sent in the clear. >>>>> I would assume the knowledge which AVPs are ciphered is up to a >>>>> local policy. If the policy is wrong, the receiver or intermediates >>>>> will reply with an error. >>>> SRD> That makes sense. My reason for bringing this up is to make >>>> sure that the solution allows for these AVPs being sent in the >>>> clear. It won't work to arbitrarily encrypt all AVPs or even chunks >>>> of AVPs. >>> That was never the intention. We better clarify it if the text was not >>> clear about that... Or there was no such text at all. >> SRD2> The text does say that a subset of the AVPs can be integrity >> protected. I'm suggesting that we need wording that any solution MUST >> NOT assume/require integrity protecting the entire message. > > That is OK. > > - Jouni > > >>> >>> - jouni >>> >>> >>>>> - Jouni >>>>> >>>>>> This would be to cover overload, load, message priority and other >>>>>> AVPs >>>>>> that need to be accessible by all nodes in the path of a >>>>>> transaction. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/26/15 9:03 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >>>>>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >>>>>>> directories. >>>>>>> This draft is a work item of the Diameter Maintenance and >>>>>>> Extensions Working Group of the IETF. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Title : Diameter AVP Level Security End-to-End >>>>>>> Security: Scenarios and Requirements >>>>>>> Authors : Hannes Tschofenig >>>>>>> Jouni Korhonen >>>>>>> Glen Zorn >>>>>>> Kervin Pillay >>>>>>> Filename : draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02.txt >>>>>>> Pages : 9 >>>>>>> Date : 2015-01-26 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Abstract: >>>>>>> This specification discusses requirements for providing >>>>>>> Diameter >>>>>>> security at the level of individual Attribute Value Pairs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>>>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There's also a htmlized version available at: >>>>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A diff from the previous version is available at: >>>>>>> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >>>>>>> submission >>>>>>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at >>>>>>> tools.ietf.org. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>>>>>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> DiME mailing list >>>>>>> DiME@ietf.org >>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dime >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> DiME mailing list >>>>>> DiME@ietf.org >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dime >> > From nobody Wed Apr 1 13:11:36 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1F671A906C for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 13:11:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_45=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_56=0.6, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EUvsWONSEVi0 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 13:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ig0-x236.google.com (mail-ig0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CEB6E1A8BC1 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 13:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by igbud6 with SMTP id ud6so58833028igb.1 for ; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 13:11:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VMxVTFyGNXCZkHsCCt/Y8rXqkiGB6/j90s0fmryIwzM=; b=Q4/PSPPBCzSFTSq0imriTnfOfAIp3f8huoTPoSZc75nTpl6ix6BPyR6umpKIp1gXse 1xJvCY0IpqSuAXdtNLKsYowGd8FaPs570KgmzkYqlIJQdoguOH11JpOCsEzI+47JGnyf xXLUNMW7YOnAjQrEeGDLYIF85XIuOuOz7dPbjAe5/j6GVoV1fz2OgUdmpGJ4m/3258HP b2ux1fIHQFJ4AbMmJ8jJTaN7dX2qiNE4COZnH1rSWkZMm4tc2G9Ohmw1119pRSdvTgxf igOPmk0XX7XwsK71px7Ib2+piLzvq48gqTgF0FDC+C1yUELny3wxF9kdenUa/GAnsnWI SBhQ== X-Received: by 10.50.132.66 with SMTP id os2mr14729503igb.6.1427919091320; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 13:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.252.0.48] (host136-111.cablelabs.com. [192.160.73.136]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qr1sm12790234igb.18.2015.04.01.13.11.29 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Apr 2015 13:11:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <551C50EF.2030300@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 13:11:27 -0700 From: Jouni Korhonen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lionel.morand@orange.com References: <551393FF.1090700@gmail.com> <25531_1427823666_551ADC32_25531_3828_1_6B7134B31289DC4FAF731D844122B36EEF739B@PEXCVZYM13.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <31522_1427879576_551BB697_31522_12397_1_6B7134B31289DC4FAF731D844122B36EF095B5@PEXCVZYM13.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <551C053C.3090703@gmail.com> <4977_1427910590_551C2FBD_4977_3059_1_6B7134B31289DC4FAF731D844122B36EF12509@PEXCVZYM13.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <4977_1427910590_551C2FBD_4977_3059_1_6B7134B31289DC4FAF731D844122B36EF12509@PEXCVZYM13.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "dime@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Dime] realm vs domain (was: Allowed host and realm naming for a diameter node) X-BeenThere: dime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Diameter Maintanence and Extentions Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 20:11:34 -0000 I do not quite agree on your described use of DiameterIdentities - the part of using different domain part. It would be great to hear from implementations whether they are able to cope with that or not before going any further. - Jouni 4/1/2015, 10:49 AM, lionel.morand@orange.com kirjoitti: > If the FQDN is used as x-Realm AVP, the host MUST be anyway defined as an absolute domain name under the realm normally used as x-realm value ad registered in the DNS (or configured in the receiving Diameter nodes). Otherwise, the routing will fail. > Even in this (weird) case, the FQDN may be defined in a subdomain of domain name of the x-Realm AVP value expected in the Diameter messages (cf. initial question) > > Now, when FQDN are ONLY used for x-Host AVP values (as it should be), there is no limitation regarding the domain name used for the x-Host AVP and for the x-Realm AVP value. For instance, this provides flexibility for the naming of the diameter nodes in the internal network (that can used a private naming plane) while ensuring consistency on the domain name used by external networks (using a standard naming plane). > > Lionel > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com] > Envoyé : mercredi 1 avril 2015 16:48 > À : MORAND Lionel IMT/OLN > Cc : Henrik Villför; dime@ietf.org > Objet : Re: [Dime] realm vs domain (was: Allowed host and realm naming for a diameter node) > > You still need to care for implementations that do put FQDN into Origin-Realm (or Destination-Realm). > > - Jouni > > 4/1/2015, 2:12 AM, lionel.morand@orange.com kirjoitti: >> Hi Jouni, >> >> Some magic might exist somewhere to fix some weird implementation, for >> sure. But the RFC6733 was actually meant to fix in a generic way those >> issues. Therefore, if someone comes to say that using FQDN as realm is >> correct according to RFC3588, I would only say "please refer to the >> RFC6733 to see what should be the correct implementation of the base >> protocol" :) >> >> Lionel >> >> -----Message d'origine----- >> De : Jouni.nosmap [mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com] Envoyé : mardi 31 >> mars 2015 21:06 À : MORAND Lionel IMT/OLN Cc : Henrik Villför; >> dime@ietf.org Objet : Re: [Dime] realm vs domain (was: Allowed host >> and realm naming for a diameter node) >> >> >> >> Sent from a smart phone.. Mind the typos.. >> >>> kirjoitti 31.3.2015 kello 10.41: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Please see below. >>> >>> Lionel >>> >>> -----Message d'origine----- >>> De : DiME [mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Jouni Korhonen >>> Envoyé : jeudi 26 mars 2015 06:07 À : Henrik Villför; dime@ietf.org >>> Objet : Re: [Dime] realm vs domain (was: Allowed host and realm >>> naming for a diameter node) >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> 3/25/2015, 1:18 AM, Henrik Villför kirjoitti: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> a follow up on the question below. >>>> >>>> Is there anything in the base specification requiring the realm in >>>> the Origin-Realm AVP to be the same as the domain part of the Origin-Host AVP? >>>> >>>> Would the following be allowed? >>>> >>>> Origin-Realm: realmexample.com >>>> >>>> Origin-Host: node.domainexample.com >>> >>> Based on my reading of RFC6733 yes.. but when reading RFC3588 no'ish. >>> The subttle change between these two was: >>> >>> OLD: >>> DiameterIdentity = FQDN >>> NEW: >>> DiameterIdentity = FQDN/Realm >>> >>> And when reading the text on a DiameterIdentity a Diameter node _should_ (ok.. the should is not must..) only use one DiameterIdentity which means the FQDN in Origin-Host and Origin-Realm should be the same.. >>> >>> [LM]> not sure to understand what the text above means. In RFC3588, the definition in sect 4.3 was clearly an error as the text in sect 6.4 sect 6.6 was already saying that: >>> >>> The Origin-Realm AVP (AVP Code 296) is of type DiameterIdentity. >>> This AVP contains the Realm of the originator of any Diameter message >>> and MUST be present in all messages. >> >> We need to remembet that with Diameter realm is piggybacked in DNS. So if your Origin-Realm is an FQDN and you just extract the domain part of it when using it, you achieved the same as realm. This to work properly requires some magic sauce.. which e.g. for certain deployments is described in system specific specs. >> >>> >>> The Destination-Realm AVP (AVP Code 283) is of type DiameterIdentity, >>> and contains the realm the message is to be routed to. >>> >>> [LM]> So a DiameterIdentity was meant to be either an FQDN or a Realm, depending of its use as x-Host or x-Realm AVP value. If someone was implementing the Diameter identity of a realm as an FQDN, it would be an error. And this was fixed with RFC6733. >> >> I would bet there is stuff out there.. >> >> - jouni >> >> >>> >>>> Also, although none of the examples of Diameter host identities in >>>> rfc >>>> 6733 show an FQDN with a trailing dot it should be allowed, but a >>>> realm may not end in a dot. >>> >>> AFAIR the FQDN first appeared in RFC1206.. none of the FQDN examples use the trailing ".". Anyway, referring to RFC1034 and the "relative names" >>> it is stated that: >>> >>> -- >>> Relative names are either taken relative to a well known origin, or to a list of domains used as a search list. Relative names appear mostly at the user interface, where their interpretation varies from implementation to implementation, and in master files, where they are relative to a single origin domain name. The most common interpretation uses the root "." as either the single origin or as one of the members of the search list, so a multi-label relative name is often one where the trailing dot has been omitted to save typing. >>> -- >>> >>> Thus it is expected that the resolver library (or equivalent) knows when to add the missing "." e.g. when the domain name is supposed to be a DiameterIdentity. >>> >>>> So, this should be allowed: >>>> >>>> Origin-Host: node.domainexample.com. >>> >>> Irrespective of my above rant, I agree. >>> >>>> This should not be allowed: >>>> >>>> Origin-Realm: realmexample.com. >>> >>> Agree (since the example shows a realm). >>> >>> - Jouni >>> >>>> (Sorry about the ugly cut'n'paste. Just joined the list and found >>>> the recent post below in the archive.) >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> >>>> Henrik Villför >>>> >>>> --------- >>>> >>>> Hi Lars, >>>> >>>> According to the base protocol, there is no such restriction. When >>>> the DiameterIdentity format is used to identify a Diameter node, the >>>> only requirement is that: >>>> >>>> * the DiameterIdentity value in Origin/Destination-Host AVP is an FQDN. >>>> >>>> * there is at least one peer table in the realm identified by the >>>> Origin/Destination-Realm AVP that contains the host identified by the FQDN. >>>> >>>> So Example 2 is perfectly valid from a base protocol point of view, >>>> as long as there is at least one node in "example.com " >>>> with a transport connection with the peer "node.site1.example.com >>>> ". >>>> >>>> Now, some Diameter applications may have defined specific rules >>>> regarding the format of realm/host identity, with explicit >>>> restrictions/limitations. It is then required to check if there is >>>> any of these restrictions defined in the related specification. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Lionel >>>> >>>> De : DiME [mailto:dime-bounces at ietf.org >>>> ] De la part de Lars Jørgen Lillehovde Envoyé : >>>> dimanche 15 mars 2015 12:54 À : dime at ietf.org >>>> Objet >>>> : [Dime] Allowed host and realm naming for a diameter node >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I'm trying to clarify the allowed naming convension for the host and >>>> realm of a diameter node. This relates to the values used in the >>>> Origin-Host AVP (AVP Code 264) and Origin-Realm AVP (AVP Code 296). >>>> I've reviewed the Diameter RFCs and cannot find a definitive answer >>>> to this issue. >>>> >>>> The reason for asking this question is that I'm in discussion with a >>>> vendor of a Diameter Routing Agent (DRA) which claims that the host >>>> of a diameter node has to be in the format host.realm. >>>> >>>> (1) Example of the only allowed format according to the vendor: >>>> >>>> Origin-Realm: example.com >>>> >>>> Origin-Host: node.example.com >>>> >>>> I want to clarify if multiple subdomains are allowed to be added in >>>> the host without being present in the realm. >>>> >>>> (2) Example: >>>> >>>> Origin-Realm: example.com >>>> >>>> Origin-Host: node.site1.example.com >>>> >>>> According to the vendor, the example 2 is not allowed. To have the >>>> host as in example 2, the realm will have to be site1.example.com >>>> . >>>> >>>> Could someone please clarify this naming issue or point me to the >>>> standard where this is defined. >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Lars J. Lillehovde >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________________ >>>> _ _ ___________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations >>>> confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre >>>> diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu >>>> ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le >>>> detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques >>>> etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite >>>> si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. 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X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-173-172-146-58.tx.res.rr.com [173.172.146.58] claimed to be [10.0.1.23] From: "Ben Campbell" To: "Steve Donovan" Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 17:57:30 -0500 Message-ID: <84E3B758-DD12-4BC1-A124-5E60C5813841@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <551C3AEB.3030008@usdonovans.com> References: <20150126150303.15610.1562.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <5511D1AA.40804@usdonovans.com> <55138C07.2070007@gmail.com> <5515AAF0.8020502@usdonovans.com> <40F74E87-BC08-4822-A29E-3D2BE026BF6C@gmail.com> <551B3E18.1020907@usdonovans.com> <551B7D90.7040109@gmail.com> <551C3AEB.3030008@usdonovans.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.1r5083) Archived-At: Cc: "dime@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Dime] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02.txt X-BeenThere: dime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Diameter Maintanence and Extentions Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 22:57:45 -0000 Is "in the clear" the real requirement? I suggest "visible to Diameter agents that need to act on them." Sending them in clear-text would be one way to accomplish that, but there might be others. /Ben On 1 Apr 2015, at 13:37, Steve Donovan wrote: > Jouni, > > I agree with your points on integrity protection. My concern is > encryption of headers used in making routing decisions. > > Steve > > On 4/1/15 12:09 AM, Jouni Korhonen wrote: >> Steve, >> >> Inline. >> >> 3/31/2015, 5:38 PM, Steve Donovan kirjoitti: >>> inline >>> >>> On 3/27/15 4:40 PM, Jouni.nosmap wrote: >>>> Hi Steve, >>>> >>>> Inline.. >>>> >>>> Sent from a smart phone.. Mind the typos.. >>>> >>>>> Steve Donovan kirjoitti 27.3.2015 kello >>>>> 14.09: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 3/25/15 11:33 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote: >>>>>> Steve, >>>>>> >>>>>> See inline.. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3/24/2015, 2:05 PM, Steve Donovan kirjoitti: >>>>>>> A few comments on this document. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would suggest adding the following requirement -- The solution >>>>>>> MUST >>>>>>> ensure that routing AVPs are always sent in the clear. >>>>>> By routing AVPs you refer to Router-Record and Proxy-Info as per >>>>>> RFC6733, right? In that case I do not see a reason for the "are >>>>>> always sent in the clear". >>>>> SRD> No, I mean Destination-Host, Destination-Realm, Origin-Host >>>>> and >>>>> Origin-Realm. >>>> Ok. Makes sense. However, integrity protecting above AVP should >>>> still >>>> be fine and allowed. At least the Origin-* AVPs. >>> SRD2> Origin-Host and Origin-Realm are also used for making routing >>> decisions. What is the value in integrity protecting these AVPs? >>> Any >>> agent based scenario would require that all agents in the path be >>> able >>> to decrypt the AVPs to make routing decisions. Why isn't it better >>> to >>> just say that these AVPs MUST NOT be integrity protected? >> >> Integrity protection does not hide the content from intermediates. It >> only makes the end points to detect if those AVPs have been altered. >> I do want to know if someone tampered my AVPs that I care about (what >> those AVPs are depends on the policy). >> >>>> >>>>>>> Requirement 5 does indicate that not all AVPs are covered by the >>>>>>> " >>>>>>> cryptographic protection". I think it would be better to be >>>>>>> clear >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> there is a set of AVPs that MUST NOT be encrypted. >>>>>> OK. >>>>>> >>>>>>> In addition, the following requirement might be useful -- The >>>>>>> solution >>>>>>> MUST support the ability to identify other non routing AVPs that >>>>>>> must >>>>>>> always be sent in the clear. >>>>>> I would assume the knowledge which AVPs are ciphered is up to a >>>>>> local policy. If the policy is wrong, the receiver or >>>>>> intermediates >>>>>> will reply with an error. >>>>> SRD> That makes sense. My reason for bringing this up is to make >>>>> sure that the solution allows for these AVPs being sent in the >>>>> clear. It won't work to arbitrarily encrypt all AVPs or even >>>>> chunks >>>>> of AVPs. >>>> That was never the intention. We better clarify it if the text was >>>> not >>>> clear about that... Or there was no such text at all. >>> SRD2> The text does say that a subset of the AVPs can be integrity >>> protected. I'm suggesting that we need wording that any solution >>> MUST >>> NOT assume/require integrity protecting the entire message. >> >> That is OK. >> >> - Jouni >> >> >>>> >>>> - jouni >>>> >>>> >>>>>> - Jouni >>>>>> >>>>>>> This would be to cover overload, load, message priority and >>>>>>> other AVPs >>>>>>> that need to be accessible by all nodes in the path of a >>>>>>> transaction. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1/26/15 9:03 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >>>>>>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line >>>>>>>> Internet-Drafts >>>>>>>> directories. >>>>>>>> This draft is a work item of the Diameter Maintenance and >>>>>>>> Extensions Working Group of the IETF. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Title : Diameter AVP Level Security End-to-End >>>>>>>> Security: Scenarios and Requirements >>>>>>>> Authors : Hannes Tschofenig >>>>>>>> Jouni Korhonen >>>>>>>> Glen Zorn >>>>>>>> Kervin Pillay >>>>>>>> Filename : draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02.txt >>>>>>>> Pages : 9 >>>>>>>> Date : 2015-01-26 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Abstract: >>>>>>>> This specification discusses requirements for providing >>>>>>>> Diameter >>>>>>>> security at the level of individual Attribute Value Pairs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>>>>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There's also a htmlized version available at: >>>>>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A diff from the previous version is available at: >>>>>>>> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> submission >>>>>>>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at >>>>>>>> tools.ietf.org. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 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E.g. the issue of Origin-Host has to be in the format of 'host.realm' as mention in my initial post or diameter nodes requiring all Destination-Host to be resolvable in DNS. These examples are not from diameter products from small vendors. Perhaps this is something that should be considered clarified in a future Diameter standard. There could be advantages by having all the naming related requirements in a single section. Also, more advanced examples of allowed and disallowed naming could be a good idea as the current examples in the RFCs are very basic. Lars J. Lillehovde Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 06:58:19 +0000 From: John Basha To: Dave Dolson , Jouni Korhonen , "lionel.morand@orange.com" Cc: "dime@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Dime] realm vs domain (was: Allowed host and realm naming for a diameter node) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8" I go with Dave here. I have seen many implementations where we do not put any restriction on deciding the host or realm names like the way it is mentioned below. It has been decided by operators based on the domain name they have. I go with Dave here. I have seen many implementations where we do not put any restriction on deciding the host or realm names like the way it is mentioned below. It has been decided by operators based on the domain name they have. -----Original Message----- From: DiME [mailto:dime-bounces at ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dave Dolson Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 12:18 AM To: Jouni Korhonen; lionel.morand at orange.com Cc: dime at ietf.org Subject: Re: [Dime] realm vs domain (was: Allowed host and realm naming for a diameter node) In our implementation, we do not place these kinds of constraints on host or realm names. It is the operator's choice as to whether or not host and realm match DNS names. When all Diameter connections are pre-configured, there is no need for dynamic connection to a new agent by resolving hosts in DNS. -----Original Message----- From: DiME [mailto:dime-bounces at ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 4:11 PM To: lionel.morand at orange.com Cc: dime at ietf.org Subject: Re: [Dime] realm vs domain (was: Allowed host and realm naming for a diameter node) I do not quite agree on your described use of DiameterIdentities - the part of using different domain part. It would be great to hear from implementations whether they are able to cope with that or not before going any further. - Jouni 4/1/2015, 10:49 AM, lionel.morand at orange.com kirjoitti: > If the FQDN is used as x-Realm AVP, the host MUST be anyway defined as an= absolute domain name under the realm normally used as x-realm value ad reg= istered in the DNS (or configured in the receiving Diameter nodes). Otherwi= se, the routing will fail. > Even in this (weird) case, the FQDN may be defined in a subdomain of > domain name of the x-Realm AVP value expected in the Diameter messages > (cf. initial question) > > Now, when FQDN are ONLY used for x-Host AVP values (as it should be), the= re is no limitation regarding the domain name used for the x-Host AVP and f= or the x-Realm AVP value. For instance, this provides flexibility for the n= aming of the diameter nodes in the internal network (that can used a privat= e naming plane) while ensuring consistency on the domain name used by exter= nal networks (using a standard naming plane). > > Lionel > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.nospam at gmail.com] Env= oy=C3=A9 : mercredi > 1 avril 2015 16:48 =C3=80 : MORAND Lionel IMT/OLN Cc : Henrik Villf=C3=B6= r; > dime at ietf.org Objet : Re: [Dime] realm vs domain (was: Allowed host > and realm naming for a diameter node) > > You still need to care for implementations that do put FQDN into Origin-R= ealm (or Destination-Realm). > > - Jouni > > 4/1/2015, 2:12 AM, lionel.morand at orange.com kirjoitti: >> Hi Jouni, >> >> Some magic might exist somewhere to fix some weird implementation, >> for sure. But the RFC6733 was actually meant to fix in a generic way >> those issues. Therefore, if someone comes to say that using FQDN as >> realm is correct according to RFC3588, I would only say "please refer >> to the >> RFC6733 to see what should be the correct implementation of the base >> protocol" :) >> >> Lionel >> >> -----Message d'origine----- >> De : Jouni.nosmap [mailto:jouni.nospam at gmail.com] Envo= y=C3=A9 : mardi 31 >> mars 2015 21:06 =C3=80 : MORAND Lionel IMT/OLN Cc : Henrik Villf=C3=B6r; >> dime at ietf.org Objet : Re: [Dime] realm vs domain (was: Allowed host >> and realm naming for a diameter node) >> >> >> >> Sent from a smart phone.. Mind the typos.. >> >>> kirjoitti 3= 1.3.2015 kello 10.41: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Please see below. >>> >>> Lionel >>> >>> -----Message d'origine----- >>> De : DiME [mailto:dime-bounces at ietf.org] De la part d= e Jouni >>> Korhonen Envoy=C3=A9 : jeudi 26 mars 2015 06:07 =C3=80 : Henrik Villf= =C3=B6r; >>> dime at ietf.org Objet : Re: [Dime] realm vs domain (was: Allowed host >>> and realm naming for a diameter node) >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> 3/25/2015, 1:18 AM, Henrik Villf=C3=B6r kirjoitti: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> a follow up on the question below. >>>> >>>> Is there anything in the base specification requiring the realm in >>>> the Origin-Realm AVP to be the same as the domain part of the Origin-H= ost AVP? >>>> >>>> Would the following be allowed? >>>> >>>> Origin-Realm: realmexample.com >>>> >>>> Origin-Host: node.domainexample.com >>> >>> Based on my reading of RFC6733 yes.. but when reading RFC3588 no'ish. >>> The subttle change between these two was: >>> >>> OLD: >>> DiameterIdentity =3D FQDN >>> NEW: >>> DiameterIdentity =3D FQDN/Realm >>> >>> And when reading the text on a DiameterIdentity a Diameter node _should= _ (ok.. the should is not must..) only use one DiameterIdentity which means= the FQDN in Origin-Host and Origin-Realm should be the same.. >>> >>> [LM]> not sure to understand what the text above means. In RFC3588, the= definition in sect 4.3 was clearly an error as the text in sect 6.4 sect 6= .6 was already saying that: >>> >>> The Origin-Realm AVP (AVP Code 296) is of type DiameterIdentity. >>> This AVP contains the Realm of the originator of any Diameter messa= ge >>> and MUST be present in all messages. >> >> We need to remembet that with Diameter realm is piggybacked in DNS. So i= f your Origin-Realm is an FQDN and you just extract the domain part of it w= hen using it, you achieved the same as realm. This to work properly require= s some magic sauce.. which e.g. for certain deployments is described in sys= tem specific specs. >> >>> >>> The Destination-Realm AVP (AVP Code 283) is of type DiameterIdentit= y, >>> and contains the realm the message is to be routed to. >>> >>> [LM]> So a DiameterIdentity was meant to be either an FQDN or a Realm, = depending of its use as x-Host or x-Realm AVP value. If someone was impleme= nting the Diameter identity of a realm as an FQDN, it would be an error. An= d this was fixed with RFC6733. >> >> I would bet there is stuff out there.. >> >> - jouni >> >> >>> >>>> Also, although none of the examples of Diameter host identities in >>>> rfc >>>> 6733 show an FQDN with a trailing dot it should be allowed, but a >>>> realm may not end in a dot. >>> >>> AFAIR the FQDN first appeared in RFC1206.. none of the FQDN examples us= e the trailing ".". Anyway, referring to RFC1034 and the "relative names" >>> it is stated that: >>> >>> -- >>> Relative names are either taken relative to a well known origin, or to = a list of domains used as a search list. Relative names appear mostly at t= he user interface, where their interpretation varies from implementation to= implementation, and in master files, where they are relative to a single o= rigin domain name. The most common interpretation uses the root "." as eit= her the single origin or as one of the members of the search list, so a mul= ti-label relative name is often one where the trailing dot has been omitted= to save typing. >>> -- >>> >>> Thus it is expected that the resolver library (or equivalent) knows whe= n to add the missing "." e.g. when the domain name is supposed to be a Diam= eterIdentity. >>> >>>> So, this should be allowed: >>>> >>>> Origin-Host: node.domainexample.com. >>> >>> Irrespective of my above rant, I agree. >>> >>>> This should not be allowed: >>>> >>>> Origin-Realm: realmexample.com. >>> >>> Agree (since the example shows a realm). >>> >>> - Jouni >>> >>>> (Sorry about the ugly cut'n'paste. Just joined the list and found >>>> the recent post below in the archive.) >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> >>>> Henrik Villf=C3=B6r >>>> >>>> --------- >>>> >>>> Hi Lars, >>>> >>>> According to the base protocol, there is no such restriction. When >>>> the DiameterIdentity format is used to identify a Diameter node, >>>> the only requirement is that: >>>> >>>> * the DiameterIdentity value in Origin/Destination-Host AVP is an FQDN= . >>>> >>>> * there is at least one peer table in the realm identified by the >>>> Origin/Destination-Realm AVP that contains the host identified by the= FQDN. >>>> >>>> So Example 2 is perfectly valid from a base protocol point of view, >>>> as long as there is at least one node in "example.com " >>>> with a transport connection with the peer "node.site1.example.com >>>> ". >>>> >>>> Now, some Diameter applications may have defined specific rules >>>> regarding the format of realm/host identity, with explicit >>>> restrictions/limitations. It is then required to check if there is >>>> any of these restrictions defined in the related specification. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Lionel >>>> >>>> De : DiME [mailto:dime-bounces > at ietf.org >>>> ] De la part de Lars J=C3=B8rgen Lillehovde Envoy=C3= =A9 : >>>> dimanche 15 mars 2015 12:54 =C3=80 : dime at ietf.org >>>> Objet >>>> : [Dime] Allowed host and realm naming for a diameter node >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I'm trying to clarify the allowed naming convension for the host >>>> and realm of a diameter node. This relates to the values used in >>>> the Origin-Host AVP (AVP Code 264) and Origin-Realm AVP (AVP Code 296)= . >>>> I've reviewed the Diameter RFCs and cannot find a definitive answer >>>> to this issue. >>>> >>>> The reason for asking this question is that I'm in discussion with >>>> a vendor of a Diameter Routing Agent (DRA) which claims that the >>>> host of a diameter node has to be in the format host.realm. >>>> >>>> (1) Example of the only allowed format according to the vendor: >>>> >>>> Origin-Realm: example.com >>>> >>>> Origin-Host: node.example.com >>>> >>>> I want to clarify if multiple subdomains are allowed to be added in >>>> the host without being present in the realm. >>>> >>>> (2) Example: >>>> >>>> Origin-Realm: example.com >>>> >>>> Origin-Host: node.site1.example.com >>>> >>>> According to the vendor, the example 2 is not allowed. To have the >>>> host as in example 2, the realm will have to be site1.example.com >>>> . >>>> >>>> Could someone please clarify this naming issue or point me to the >>>> standard where this is defined. >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Lars J. Lillehovde >>>> >>>> ___________________________________________________________________ >>>> _ _ _ ___________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations >>>> confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre >>>> diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu >>>> ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le >>>> detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques >>>> etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute >>>> responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. 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Hi,

I= 've noticed a=C2=A0multitude of strange behavior from diameter products= related to naming. E.g. the issue of Origin-Host has to be in the format o= f 'host.realm' as mention in my initial post or diameter nodes requ= iring all Destination-Host to be resolvable in DNS. These examples are not = from diameter products from small vendors.

Perhaps = this is something that should be considered clarified in a future Diameter = standard. There could be advantages by having all the naming related requir= ements in a single section. Also, more advanced examples of allowed and dis= allowed naming could be a good idea as the current examples in the RFCs are= very basic.


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Lars J. Lillehovde


Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 06:58:19 +0000
From: John Ba= sha <john.basha@ericsson.com>
To: Dave Dolson <d= dolson@sandvine.com>, J= ouni Korhonen
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <jouni.nospam@gmail.com= >, "lionel.morand@orange.com"
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= Cc: "dime@ietf.org" <dime@ietf.org<= /a>>
Sub= ject: Re: [Dime] realm vs domain (was: Allowed host and realm
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 naming for a diameter node)
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= I go with Dave here. I have seen many implementations where we do not put a= ny restriction on deciding the host or realm names like the way it is menti= oned below.

I= t has been decided by operators based on the domain name they have.<= br style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px">
I go=
 with Dave here. I have seen many implementations where we do not put any r=
estriction on deciding the host or realm names like the way it is mentioned=
 below.

It has been decided by operators based on the domain name they have.


-----Original Message-----
From: DiME [mailto:dime-bo=
unces at ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dave Do=
lson
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 12:18 AM
To: Jouni Korhonen; lionel.morand at orange.c=
om
Cc: dime at ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Dime] realm vs domain (was: Allowed host and realm naming for=
 a diameter node)

In our implementation, we do not place these kinds of constraints on host o=
r realm names. It is the operator's choice as to whether or not host an=
d realm match DNS names.
When all Diameter connections are pre-configured, there is no need for dyna=
mic connection to a new agent by resolving hosts in DNS.


-----Original Message-----
From: DiME [mailto:dime-bo=
unces at ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni K=
orhonen
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 4:11 PM
To: lionel.morand at orange.com
Cc: dime at ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Dime] realm vs domain (was: Allowed host and realm naming for=
 a diameter node)

I do not quite agree on your described use of DiameterIdentities - the part=
 of using different domain part. It would be great to hear from implementat=
ions whether they are able to cope with that or not before going any furthe=
r.

- Jouni

4/1/2015, 10:49 AM, lionel.morand at orange.c=
om kirjoitti:
> If the FQDN is used as x-Realm AVP, the host MUST be anyway defined as=
 an absolute domain name under the realm normally used as x-realm value ad =
registered in the DNS (or configured in the receiving Diameter nodes). Othe=
rwise, the routing will fail.
> Even in this (weird) case, the FQDN may be defined in a subdomain of=
=20
> domain name of the x-Realm AVP value expected in the Diameter messages=
=20
> (cf. initial question)
>
> Now, when FQDN are ONLY used for x-Host AVP values (as it should be), =
there is no limitation regarding the domain name used for the x-Host AVP an=
d for the x-Realm AVP value. For instance, this provides flexibility for th=
e naming of the diameter nodes in the internal network (that can used a pri=
vate naming plane) while ensuring consistency on the domain name used by ex=
ternal networks (using a standard naming plane).
>
> Lionel
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Jouni Korhonen [=
mailto:jouni.nospam at gmail.com] Envo=
y=C3=A9 : mercredi=20
> 1 avril 2015 16:48 =C3=80 : MORAND Lionel IMT/OLN Cc : Henrik Villf=C3=
=B6r;=20
> dime at ietf.org Objet : Re: [Dime] re=
alm vs domain (was: Allowed host=20
> and realm naming for a diameter node)
>
> You still need to care for implementations that do put FQDN into Origi=
n-Realm (or Destination-Realm).
>
> - Jouni
>
> 4/1/2015, 2:12 AM, lionel.morand at oran=
ge.com kirjoitti:
>> Hi Jouni,
>>
>> Some magic might exist somewhere to fix some weird implementation,=
=20
>> for sure. But the RFC6733 was actually meant to fix in a generic w=
ay=20
>> those issues. Therefore, if someone comes to say that using FQDN a=
s=20
>> realm is correct according to RFC3588, I would only say "plea=
se refer=20
>> to the
>> RFC6733 to see what should be the correct implementation of the ba=
se=20
>> protocol" :)
>>
>> Lionel
>>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : Jouni.nosmap [mailto:jouni.nospam at gmail.com] En=
voy=C3=A9 : mardi 31=20
>> mars 2015 21:06 =C3=80 : MORAND Lionel IMT/OLN Cc : Henrik Villf=
=C3=B6r;=20
>> dime at ietf.org Objet : Re: [Dime=
] realm vs domain (was: Allowed host=20
>> and realm naming for a diameter node)
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from a smart phone.. Mind the typos..
>>
>>> <lionel.morand at orange.com<=
/a>> <lionel.morand at orange.com&g=
t; kirjoitti 31.3.2015 kello 10.41:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Please see below.
>>>
>>> Lionel
>>>
>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>> De : DiME [ma=
ilto:dime-bounces at ietf.org] De la pa=
rt de Jouni=20
>>> Korhonen Envoy=C3=A9 : jeudi 26 mars 2015 06:07 =C3=80 : Henri=
k Villf=C3=B6r;=20
>>> dime at ietf.org Objet : Re: [=
Dime] realm vs domain (was: Allowed host=20
>>> and realm naming for a diameter node)
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> 3/25/2015, 1:18 AM, Henrik Villf=C3=B6r kirjoitti:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>     a follow up on the question below.
>>>>
>>>> Is there anything in the base specification requiring the =
realm in=20
>>>> the Origin-Realm AVP to be the same as the domain part of =
the Origin-Host AVP?
>>>>
>>>> Would the following be allowed?
>>>>
>>>> Origin-Realm: realmexa=
mple.com
>>>>
>>>> Origin-Host: nod=
e.domainexample.com
>>>
>>> Based on my reading of RFC6733 yes.. but when reading RFC3588 =
no'ish.
>>> The subttle change between these two was:
>>>
>>> OLD:
>>>     DiameterIdentity  =3D FQDN
>>> NEW:
>>>     DiameterIdentity  =3D FQDN/Realm
>>>
>>> And when reading the text on a DiameterIdentity a Diameter nod=
e _should_ (ok.. the should is not must..) only use one DiameterIdentity wh=
ich means the FQDN in Origin-Host and Origin-Realm should be the same..
>>>
>>> [LM]> not sure to understand what the text above means. In =
RFC3588, the definition in sect 4.3 was clearly an error as the text in sec=
t 6.4 sect 6.6 was already saying that:
>>>
>>>     The Origin-Realm AVP (AVP Code 296) is of type DiameterIde=
ntity.
>>>     This AVP contains the Realm of the originator of any Diame=
ter message
>>>     and MUST be present in all messages.
>>
>> We need to remembet that with Diameter realm is piggybacked in DNS=
. So if your Origin-Realm is an FQDN and you just extract the domain part o=
f it when using it, you achieved the same as realm. This to work properly r=
equires some magic sauce.. which e.g. for certain deployments is described =
in system specific specs.
>>
>>>
>>>     The Destination-Realm AVP (AVP Code 283) is of type Diamet=
erIdentity,
>>>     and contains the realm the message is to be routed to.
>>>
>>> [LM]> So a DiameterIdentity was meant to be either an FQDN =
or a Realm, depending of its use as x-Host or x-Realm AVP value. If someone=
 was implementing the Diameter identity of a realm as an FQDN, it would be =
an error. And this was fixed with RFC6733.
>>
>> I would bet there is stuff out there..
>>
>> - jouni
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Also, although none of the examples of Diameter host ident=
ities in=20
>>>> rfc
>>>> 6733 show an FQDN with a trailing dot it should be allowed=
, but a=20
>>>> realm may not end in a dot.
>>>
>>> AFAIR the FQDN first appeared in RFC1206.. none of the FQDN ex=
amples use the trailing ".". Anyway, referring to RFC1034 and the=
 "relative names"
>>> it is stated that:
>>>
>>> --
>>> Relative names are either taken relative to a well known origi=
n, or to a list of domains used as a search list.  Relative names appear mo=
stly at the user interface, where their interpretation varies from implemen=
tation to implementation, and in master files, where they are relative to a=
 single origin domain name.  The most common interpretation uses the root &=
quot;." as either the single origin or as one of the members of the se=
arch list, so a multi-label relative name is often one where the trailing d=
ot has been omitted to save typing.
>>> --
>>>
>>> Thus it is expected that the resolver library (or equivalent) =
knows when to add the missing "." e.g. when the domain name is su=
pposed to be a DiameterIdentity.
>>>
>>>> So, this should be allowed:
>>>>
>>>> Origin-Host: nod=
e.domainexample.com.
>>>
>>> Irrespective of my above rant, I agree.
>>>
>>>> This should not be allowed:
>>>>
>>>> Origin-Realm: realmexa=
mple.com.
>>>
>>> Agree (since the example shows a realm).
>>>
>>> - Jouni
>>>
>>>> (Sorry about the ugly cut'n'paste. Just joined the=
 list and found=20
>>>> the recent post below in the archive.)
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Henrik Villf=C3=B6r
>>>>
>>>> ---------
>>>>
>>>> Hi Lars,
>>>>
>>>> According to the base protocol, there is no such restricti=
on. When=20
>>>> the DiameterIdentity format is used to identify a Diameter=
 node,=20
>>>> the only requirement is that:
>>>>
>>>> * the DiameterIdentity value in Origin/Destination-Host AV=
P is an FQDN.
>>>>
>>>> * there is at least one peer table in the realm identified=
 by the=20
>>>> Origin/Destination-Realm  AVP that contains the host ident=
ified by the FQDN.
>>>>
>>>> So Example 2 is perfectly valid from a base protocol point=
 of view,=20
>>>> as long as there is at least one node in "example.com <http://example.com>"
>>>> with a transport connection with the peer "node.site1.example.com=20
>>>> <http://node.site1.example.com>".
>>>>
>>>> Now, some Diameter applications may have defined specific =
rules=20
>>>> regarding the format of realm/host identity, with explicit=
=20
>>>> restrictions/limitations. It is then required to check if =
there is=20
>>>> any of these restrictions defined in the related specifica=
tion.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Lionel
>>>>
>>>> De : DiME [mailto:dime-bounces <mailto:dime-bounces> at ietf.org=
=20
>>>> <http://i=
etf.org>] De la part de Lars J=C3=B8rgen Lillehovde Envoy=C3=A9 :
>>>> dimanche 15 mars 2015 12:54 =C3=80 : dime at ietf.org <http://ietf.org>=20
>>>> Objet
>>>> : [Dime] Allowed host and realm naming for a diameter node
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to clarify the allowed naming convension fo=
r the host=20
>>>> and realm of a diameter node. This relates to the values u=
sed in=20
>>>> the Origin-Host AVP (AVP Code 264) and Origin-Realm AVP (A=
VP Code 296).
>>>> I've reviewed the Diameter RFCs and cannot find a defi=
nitive answer=20
>>>> to this issue.
>>>>
>>>> The reason for asking this question is that I'm in dis=
cussion with=20
>>>> a vendor of a Diameter Routing Agent (DRA) which claims th=
at the=20
>>>> host of a diameter node has to be in the format host.realm=
.
>>>>
>>>> (1) Example of the only allowed format according to the ve=
ndor:
>>>>
>>>> Origin-Realm: example.com <http://example.com<=
/a>>
>>>>
>>>> Origin-Host: node.exam=
ple.com <http:=
//node.example.com>
>>>>
>>>> I want to clarify if multiple subdomains are allowed to be=
 added in=20
>>>> the host without being present in the realm.
>>>>
>>>> (2) Example:
>>>>
>>>> Origin-Realm: example.com <http://example.com<=
/a>>
>>>>
>>>> Origin-Host: nod=
e.site1.example.com <http://node.site1.example.com>
>>>>
>>>> According to the vendor, the example 2 is not allowed. To =
have the=20
>>>> host as in example 2, the realm will have to be site1.example.com=20
>>>> <http://site1.example.com>.
>>>>
>>>> Could someone please clarify this naming issue or point me=
 to the=20
>>>> standard where this is defined.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Lars J. Lillehovde
>>>>
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Therefore, the following questions are addressed to the WG and Especially Authors and Contributors of the draft: > > * Are you personally aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules? (See RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669, and 5378 for more details.) > > * If you are a document author or listed contributor on this document, please reply to this email message regardless of whether or not you are personally aware of any relevant IPR. We might not be able to advance this document to the next stage until we have received a reply from each author and listed contributor. > > * If you are on the DIME WG email list but are not an author or listed contributor for this document, you are reminded of your opportunity for a voluntary IPR disclosure under BCP 79. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-AnalysisOut: [v=2.0 cv=Kq36LxqN c=1 sm=1 a=dhB6nF3YHL5t/Ixux6cINA==:17 a] X-AnalysisOut: [=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=zQP7CpKOAAAA:8 a=e9J7] X-AnalysisOut: [MTPGsLIA:10 a=z9tbli-vAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=UZ3JarPZI_] X-AnalysisOut: [QCvJz-VFYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=qM39cor4HRgA:10 a=ThlVX0i] X-AnalysisOut: [tKrD8QP5H:21 a=h_jq_KYFku2Y6IJ1:21] X-Spam: [F=0.2000000000; CM=0.500; S=0.200(2014051901)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [144.160.229.24] Archived-At: Cc: "dime-chairs@ietf.org" , "dime@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Dime] Start of WGLC for draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02 X-BeenThere: dime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Diameter Maintanence and Extentions Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2015 17:35:53 -0000 I support adoption=20 Martin Dolly Lead Member of Technical Staff Core & Gov't/Regulatory Standards AT&T Standards and=20 Industry Alliances +1-609-903-3360 Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 2, 2015, at 5:48 AM, "lionel.morand@orange.com" wrote: >=20 > During the Dime session at IETF92, the authors of draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec= -req-02 have asked for a Working Group Last Call. >=20 > This email officially starts a Working Group Last Call for the following = document: >=20 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02=20 >=20 > Please respond to this email to support the document and/or send comments= by 2015-04-16. >=20 > In addition, following the strategy for promoting compliance with the IPR= disclosure rules (RFC6702), the chairs would like to check whether there = are claims of Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) on the document that need = to be disclosed. Therefore, the following questions are addressed to the WG= and Especially Authors and Contributors of the draft: >=20 > * Are you personally aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-dime-e2e= -sec-req-02? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR= rules? (See RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669, and 5378 for more details.) >=20 > * If you are a document author or listed contributor on this document, pl= ease reply to this email message regardless of whether or not you are perso= nally aware of any relevant IPR. We might not be able to advance this docu= ment to the next stage until we have received a reply from each author and = listed contributor. >=20 > * If you are on the DIME WG email list but are not an author or listed co= ntributor for this document, you are reminded of your opportunity for a vol= untary IPR disclosure under BCP 79. Please do not reply unless you want t= o make such a voluntary disclosure. >=20 > Online tools for filing IPR disclosures can be found at . >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Lionel >=20 > _________________________________________________________________________= ________________________________________________ >=20 > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confid= entielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez re= cu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages = electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, > Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme o= u falsifie. 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Please do post reviews of the requirements draft to the list. Thank you. On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 1:35 PM, DOLLY, MARTIN C wrote: > I support adoption > > Martin Dolly > Lead Member of Technical Staff > Core & Gov't/Regulatory Standards > AT&T Standards and > Industry Alliances > +1-609-903-3360 > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 2, 2015, at 5:48 AM, "lionel.morand@orange.com" < > lionel.morand@orange.com> wrote: > > > > During the Dime session at IETF92, the authors of > draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02 have asked for a Working Group Last Call. > > > > This email officially starts a Working Group Last Call for the following > document: > > > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02 > > > > Please respond to this email to support the document and/or send > comments by 2015-04-16. > > > > In addition, following the strategy for promoting compliance with the > IPR disclosure rules (RFC6702), the chairs would like to check whether > there are claims of Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) on the document that > need to be disclosed. Therefore, the following questions are addressed to > the WG and Especially Authors and Contributors of the draft: > > > > * Are you personally aware of any IPR that applies to > draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in > compliance with IETF IPR rules? (See RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669, and 5378 for > more details.) > > > > * If you are a document author or listed contributor on this document, > please reply to this email message regardless of whether or not you are > personally aware of any relevant IPR. We might not be able to advance this > document to the next stage until we have received a reply from each author > and listed contributor. > > > > * If you are on the DIME WG email list but are not an author or listed > contributor for this document, you are reminded of your opportunity for a > voluntary IPR disclosure under BCP 79. Please do not reply unless you > want to make such a voluntary disclosure. > > > > Online tools for filing IPR disclosures can be found at < > http://www.ietf.org/ipr/file-disclosure>. > > > > Regards, > > > > Lionel > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez > recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages > electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, > > Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme > ou falsifie. Merci. > > > > This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged > information that may be protected by law; > > they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. > > If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and > delete this message and its attachments. > > As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have > been modified, changed or falsified. > > Thank you. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > DiME mailing list > > DiME@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dime > > _______________________________________________ > DiME mailing list > DiME@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dime > -- Best regards, Kathleen --001a1133b1c42aec2d0512d6cc58 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just to clarify, I believe the chairs are asking for revie= ws of this draft that appears to have been adopted previously and is now in= working group last call.=C2=A0 Please do post reviews of the requirements = draft to the list.

Thank you.

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 1:35 PM, = DOLLY, MARTIN C <md3135@att.com> wrote:
I support adoption

Martin Dolly
Lead Member of Technical Staff
Core & Gov't/Regulatory Standards
AT&T Standards and
Industry Alliances
+1-609-903-3360
Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 2, 2015, at 5:48 AM, "lionel.morand@orange.com" <lionel.morand@orange.com> wrote:
>
> During the Dime session at IETF92, the authors of draft-ietf-dime-e2e-= sec-req-02 have asked for a Working Group Last Call.
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> This email officially starts a Working Group Last Call for the followi= ng document:
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>
> Please respond to this email to support the document and/or send comme= nts by 2015-04-16.
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> In addition, following the strategy for promoting compliance with the = IPR disclosure rules (RFC6702), the chairs would like to check=C2=A0 whethe= r there are claims of Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) on the document th= at need to be disclosed. Therefore, the following questions are addressed t= o the WG and Especially Authors and Contributors of the draft:
>
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>
> * If you are a document author or listed contributor on this document,= please reply to this email message regardless of whether or not you are pe= rsonally aware of any relevant IPR.=C2=A0 We might not be able to advance t= his document to the next stage until we have received a reply from each aut= hor and listed contributor.
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>
> Lionel
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([2620:0:2b10:210:5154:a533:88ae:9514]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ll5sm4686471obb.21.2015.04.03.12.32.25 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 03 Apr 2015 12:32:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <551EEAC8.5080608@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2015 12:32:24 -0700 From: Jouni Korhonen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lionel.morand@orange.com, "dime@ietf.org" References: <1178_1427968121_551D1079_1178_124_1_6B7134B31289DC4FAF731D844122B36EF26286@PEXCVZYM13.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <551EC7B4.4010500@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <551EC7B4.4010500@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "dime-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Dime] Start of WGLC for draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02 X-BeenThere: dime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Diameter Maintanence and Extentions Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2015 19:32:30 -0000 Forgot to add to my confused response below that I am not aware of or have any IPR on this document. - Jouni 4/3/2015, 10:02 AM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti: > [as an individual contributor.. and the other author] > > I support the adoption of this document. > > - Jouni > > > 4/2/2015, 2:48 AM, lionel.morand@orange.com kirjoitti: >> During the Dime session at IETF92, the authors of >> draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02 have asked for a Working Group Last Call. >> >> This email officially starts a Working Group Last Call for the >> following document: >> >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02 >> >> Please respond to this email to support the document and/or send >> comments by 2015-04-16. >> >> In addition, following the strategy for promoting compliance with the >> IPR disclosure rules (RFC6702), the chairs would like to check >> whether there are claims of Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) on the >> document that need to be disclosed. 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I support advancing this document.  Thanks
 
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> During the Dime session at IETF92, it was conclude that the
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>
> Please respond to this email to support the document and/or send= =20 comments
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>
> In addition, following the strategy for promoting compliance wit= h the=20 IPR
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> claims of Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) on the document tha= t need=20 to be
> disclosed. Therefore, the following questions are addressed to t= he WG=20 and
> Especially Authors and Contributors of the draft:
>
> * Are you personally aware of any IPR that applies to
> draft-ietf-dime-4over6-provisioning-00? If so, has this IPR been= =20 disclosed in
> compliance with IETF IPR rules?  (See RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669= , and=20 5378  for
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>
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mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z0C0VJnW0xyN for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2015 02:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-x236.google.com (mail-ie0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BFBA1A1ACA for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2015 02:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iebrs15 with SMTP id rs15so41821464ieb.3 for ; Tue, 07 Apr 2015 02:50:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=fQz/+Su00Apo/10bMvrqw/7f1WoYLNwU2no3pPFOR8k=; b=XgFb4Rd1MNcr1Fq/Lx95JlYwn/5GBh+aicRvKusQw7ZFI/xLKSlGu/Y4okgfklICgj Y+nY7z/cUO98DL3yf8IbC/SbDZ8cDfROqRQUM8z8UTVWJOQldikX3QXfLdxycYld5TT/ OWdvMlXGaAXReiYf+fkXQNlQ8m/0hZOawHxdXgjzhhmS3yOxPzlIAHHhhL0cjg6GxeBp 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In section 3 under Eavesdropping it mentions protecting the *air* interface. I don't recall in any of the DIME RFC's where we mention the physical media, right? Because of course the protocol runs over any type of media which carries IP. Not a big deal to me and if the authors want to leave it in, I'll trust them to it and give my approval to the document. Regards, -Matt Holdrege --001a11c3e6548b0ddf05131f58fc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just gave it a fresh read and I see just one tiny nit. I= n section 3 under Eavesdropping it mentions protecting the air inter= face. I don't recall in any of the DIME RFC's where we mention the = physical media, right? Because of course the protocol runs over any type of= media which carries IP.=C2=A0

Not a big deal to me and = if the authors want to leave it in, I'll trust them to it and give my a= pproval to the document.=C2=A0

Regards,
= -Matt Holdrege

--001a11c3e6548b0ddf05131f58fc-- From nobody Tue Apr 7 13:36:18 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 989001B3C35 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2015 13:36:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q1FDmqlFV4Lc for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2015 13:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-x22c.google.com (mail-ie0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 031101B3C36 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2015 13:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iebrs15 with SMTP id rs15so57719137ieb.3 for ; Tue, 07 Apr 2015 13:36:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5Gw/QqxhjZEVsT2KjtjE2WElUvjPfRr/uiRCT8C4SfQ=; b=AiBO22omZaKdvcQGdhp1n5OKJsQdaBnckwbU/FDZLOgvzq0YN55KZJ91eNJzH78QMo TC6kZQrOnd+biFRlMCOiU8nQQ4pr2t2bVqmxguvUm7moq0v5eVcWCwtNS7xOaRn/qXw6 n/cwfABsohqsb4X9BsMeteu9ZnJ2vkfWnEFvfeagzMcRBu+2jqXCpVuMRpKCwnJ0fQzL jOyy+DXJ8+JSK87uGL04qXTYGUxcmGQwef1AN5NIz6B7mrf7PPGXo9t8Jf/ZSdc0JlB6 WBIgWa1hZ6TdD0/KKPIm1uTP4BfDsAu1VhzTJ9WkwQGncih3LiZ1erF/XQY8LvjD44vP ehRg== X-Received: by 10.43.72.138 with SMTP id yo10mr28916685icb.69.1428438975511; Tue, 07 Apr 2015 13:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.135] ([64.56.250.59]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b1sm5423025igl.7.2015.04.07.13.36.14 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 07 Apr 2015 13:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55243FBD.4010908@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2015 16:36:13 -0400 From: Tom Taylor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dime@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Dime] Review of draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02 X-BeenThere: dime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Diameter Maintanence and Extentions Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2015 20:36:17 -0000 I support the forwarding of this document to the IESG subject to the following comments. Tom Taylor Substantive Comment: Req. 1: the definition of crypto-agility is unnecessary, since the term is not used in the rest of the document. I suggest rephrasing the first sentence as follows: NEW Solutions MUST be able to evolve to adapt to evolving cryptographic algorithms and security requirements. Nits: Sec. 1 second paragraph, second sentence: s/lead/led/ Sec. 3 first line: s/follow/following/ Sec. 4, paragraph below Fig. 4, second-last line: s/number/numbers/ Sec. 4, paragraph below Fig. 5, last sentence: s/most benefits/the most benefits/ s/full-backwards/fully backwards/ Req. 3, second sentence: s/Any Diameter node has an access/All Diameter nodes have access/ From nobody Wed Apr 8 19:56:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1E8C1B3757; Wed, 8 Apr 2015 19:56:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kZs19TdjVYVP; Wed, 8 Apr 2015 19:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8FFC1B374E; Wed, 8 Apr 2015 19:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BRE70825; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 02:56:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SZXEMA414-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.72.73) by lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.242) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Thu, 9 Apr 2015 03:56:34 +0100 Received: from SZXEMA512-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.7.120]) by SZXEMA414-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.72.73]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Thu, 9 Apr 2015 10:56:30 +0800 From: "Zhouqian (Cathy)" To: "lionel.morand@orange.com" , "dime@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Dime] Start of WGLC for draft-ietf-dime-4over6-provisioning-00 Thread-Index: AdBtKy1XVNGa27alSqquHaQEoRv65wFRXjTg Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 02:56:29 +0000 Message-ID: References: <10824_1427968607_551D125F_10824_867_1_6B7134B31289DC4FAF731D844122B36EF26487@PEXCVZYM13.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <10824_1427968607_551D125F_10824_867_1_6B7134B31289DC4FAF731D844122B36EF26487@PEXCVZYM13.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.66.76.105] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Cc: "dime-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Dime] Start of WGLC for draft-ietf-dime-4over6-provisioning-00 X-BeenThere: dime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Diameter Maintanence and Extentions Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2015 02:56:40 -0000 Support as co-author. I am not aware of any IPR in this document. Best Regards, Cathy > -----Original Message----- > From: DiME [mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > lionel.morand@orange.com > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 5:57 PM > To: dime@ietf.org > Cc: dime-chairs@ietf.org > Subject: [Dime] Start of WGLC for draft-ietf-dime-4over6-provisioning-00 >=20 > During the Dime session at IETF92, it was conclude that the > draft-ietf-dime-4over6-provisioning-00 was stable enough to launch a Work= ing > Group Last Call. >=20 > This email officially starts a Working Group Last Call for the following > document: >=20 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dime-4over6-provisioning-00 >=20 > Please respond to this email to support the document and/or send comments > by 2015-04-16. >=20 > In addition, following the strategy for promoting compliance with the IPR > disclosure rules (RFC6702), the chairs would like to check whether there= are > claims of Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) on the document that need to= be > disclosed. Therefore, the following questions are addressed to the WG and > Especially Authors and Contributors of the draft: >=20 > * Are you personally aware of any IPR that applies to > draft-ietf-dime-4over6-provisioning-00? If so, has this IPR been disclose= d in > compliance with IETF IPR rules? (See RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669, and 5378 fo= r > more details.) >=20 > * If you are a document author or listed contributor on this document, pl= ease > reply to this email message regardless of whether or not you are personal= ly > aware of any relevant IPR. We might not be able to advance this document= to > the next stage until we have received a reply from each author and listed > contributor. >=20 > * If you are on the DIME WG email list but are not an author or listed > contributor for this document, you are reminded of your opportunity for a > voluntary IPR disclosure under BCP 79. Please do not reply unless you w= ant > to make such a voluntary disclosure. >=20 > Online tools for filing IPR disclosures can be found at > . >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Lionel & Jouni >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________ > _________________________________________________________ >=20 > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exp= loites ou > copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuill= ez le > signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les = messages > electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute > responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. 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I only see one nit and that would be on first use of AVP, you should include the acronym, attribute-value pairs (AVP). You can make this change with any others that come in during last call. If the WG agrees, I'll kick off last call on Monday and get it ready to go over the weekend if I hear back. Thank you. -- Best regards, Kathleen --001a11c35152dd4638051400fb4c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

I reviewed=C2=A0draft-ietf-dime-= congestion-flow-attributes-01.txt and think it is ready for IETF last call.= =C2=A0 I only see one nit and that would be on first use of AVP, you should= include the acronym, attribute-value pairs (AVP).

You can make this change with any others that come in during last call.=C2= =A0 If the WG agrees, I'll kick off last call on Monday and get it read= y to go over the weekend if I hear back.

Thank you= .

--
=
Best regards,
Kathleen
--001a11c35152dd4638051400fb4c-- From nobody Sat Apr 18 09:36:11 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB9A1A007E for ; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 09:36:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FXxCAHlaKK9a for ; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 09:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias91.francetelecom.com [193.251.215.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE5391A8AA6 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 09:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omfedm06.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.2]) by omfedm11.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 30D363B433C; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 18:36:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme1.itn.ftgroup (unknown [10.114.1.186]) by omfedm06.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 151D627C080; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 18:36:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from PEXCVZYM13.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::cc7e:e40b:42ef:164e]) by PEXCVZYH01.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0224.002; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 18:36:04 +0200 From: To: "dime@ietf.org" , Kathleen Moriarty Thread-Topic: [Dime] AD review of draft-ietf-dime-congestion-flow-attributes-01.txt Thread-Index: AQHQeeiw0nfEomyti0ylLw75ubXa3p1S97Tn Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 16:36:03 +0000 Message-ID: <23150_1429374964_553287F4_23150_16735_1_wkmoiq47rqm3c91ym3xhytbl.1429374950077@email.android.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_wkmoiq47rqm3c91ym3xhytbl1429374950077emailandroidcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 6.2.1.2478543, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2015.4.18.125418 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dime] AD review of draft-ietf-dime-congestion-flow-attributes-01.txt X-BeenThere: dime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Diameter Maintanence and Extentions Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 16:36:10 -0000 --_000_wkmoiq47rqm3c91ym3xhytbl1429374950077emailandroidcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kathleen, Thank you for the review. You can launch the IETF last call on Monday. Best regards, Lionel ---- Kathleen Moriarty a =E9crit ---- Hello, I reviewed draft-ietf-dime-congestion-flow-attributes-01.txt and think it i= s ready for IETF last call. I only see one nit and that would be on first = use of AVP, you should include the acronym, attribute-value pairs (AVP). You can make this change with any others that come in during last call. If= the WG agrees, I'll kick off last call on Monday and get it ready to go ov= er the weekend if I hear back. Thank you. -- Best regards, Kathleen ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci. This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged inf= ormation that may be protected by law; they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and dele= te this message and its attachments. As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been = modified, changed or falsified. Thank you. --_000_wkmoiq47rqm3c91ym3xhytbl1429374950077emailandroidcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 
Hi Kathleen,=20

Thank you for the review. You can launch the IETF last call on Monday.=20

Best regards,

Lionel=20

---- Kathleen Moriarty a =E9crit ----
Hello,

I reviewed draft-ietf-dime-congestion-flow-attributes-01.txt and = think it is ready for IETF last call.  I only see one nit and that wou= ld be on first use of AVP, you should include the acronym, attribute-value = pairs (AVP).

You can make this change with any others that come in during last call= .  If the WG agrees, I'll kick off last call on Monday and get it read= y to go over the weekend if I hear back.

Thank you.

--

Best regards,
Kathleen
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--_000_wkmoiq47rqm3c91ym3xhytbl1429374950077emailandroidcom_-- From nobody Tue Apr 21 19:41:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5EB51A1A94; Tue, 21 Apr 2015 19:41:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id orqT9HPr0QTr; Tue, 21 Apr 2015 19:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6731A1A72; Tue, 21 Apr 2015 19:41:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.0.1.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150422024136.11899.41829.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 19:41:36 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: dime@ietf.org Subject: [Dime] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dime-4over6-provisioning-01.txt X-BeenThere: dime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Diameter Maintanence and Extentions Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 02:41:37 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Diameter Maintenance and Extensions Working Group of the IETF. Title : Attribute-Value Pairs For Provisioning Customer Equipment Supporting IPv4-Over-IPv6 Transitional Solutions Authors : Cathy Zhou T. Taylor Qiong Sun M. Boucadair Filename : draft-ietf-dime-4over6-provisioning-01.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2015-04-21 Abstract: During the transition from IPv4 to IPv6, customer equipment may have to support one of the various transition methods that have been defined for carrying IPv4 packets over IPv6. This document enumerates the information that needs to be provisioned on a customer edge router to support a list of transition techniques based on tunneling IPv4 in IPv6, with a view to defining reusable components for a reasonable transition path between these techniques. To the extent that the provisioning is done dynamically, AAA support is needed to provide the information to the network server responsible for passing the information to the customer equipment. This document specifies Diameter (RFC 6733) attribute-value pairs to be used for that purpose. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dime-4over6-provisioning/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dime-4over6-provisioning-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dime-4over6-provisioning-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Apr 24 08:25:15 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A95621B2DD6; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 08:25:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zsb2jtHknfQW; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 08:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail210.messagelabs.com (mail210.messagelabs.com [216.82.250.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 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format. --------------040509070905040904040405 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Janet, The core requirement is to give Diameter applications the ability to specify a priority that can then be used to drive Overload abatement behavior. I am open to making this crisper in the next version of the draft. I don't envision this draft specifying how to set those priorities. This is up to the individual applications to specify. Steve On 4/24/15 10:25 AM, Janet P Gunn wrote: > I am finally looking at this document in detail. > > At the highest level, what strikes me is that it doesn't have a lot of > specificity on the requirements it is intended to meet. > > Since you reference the analogy with SIP RPH (RFC4412), it might make > sense to look at the requirements specs that led to RPH (RFC -3487 > “Requirements for Resource Priority Mechanisms for the Session > Initiation Protocol (SIP)” and RFC-3689 “ETS General Requirements” - > which is more generally about priority marking), and see which, if > any, are relevant for Diameter. > > Janet > > This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, > please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the > mistake in delivery. > NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC > to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written > agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of > e-mail for such purpose. > > > *Steve Donovan * > Sent by: "DiME" > > 03/06/2015 11:52 AM > > > To > "dime@ietf.org" > cc > > Subject > [Dime] Fwd: New Version Notification for > draft-donovan-dime-drmp-00.txt > > > > > > > > > > All, > > I have submitted a draft proposing work on defining Diameter routing > message priority. The primary use case for the draft is to give the > ability to mark different requests with different priorities, giving > Diameter nodes making DOIC throttling decisions additional information > on which requests should be throttled first. > > The draft outlines a number of considerations on the design of the > mechanism, should the working group decide to take on the work. > > I will be requesting adding this as a DIME working group milestone at > the Dallas IETF meeting. > > Regards, > > Steve > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > *Subject: * > New Version Notification for draft-donovan-dime-drmp-00.txt > *Date: * > Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:47:36 -0800 > *From: * > _internet-drafts@ietf.org_ > *To: * > Steve Donovan __ > , Steve Donovan > __ > > > > > A new version of I-D, draft-donovan-dime-drmp-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Steve Donovan and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Name: draft-donovan-dime-drmp > Revision: 00 > Title: Diameter Routing Message Priority > Document date: 2015-03-06 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 11 > URL: _http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-donovan-dime-drmp-00.txt_ > Status: _https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-donovan-dime-drmp/_ > Htmlized: _http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-donovan-dime-drmp-00_ > > > Abstract: > When making routing and resource allocation decisions, Diameter nodes > currently have no generic mechanism to determine the relative > priority of Diameter requests. This document defines a mechanism to > allow Diameter endpoints to indicate the relative priority of > Diameter requests/transactions/messages. With this information > Diameter nodes can factor the relative priority of > requests/transactions/messages into routing, resource allocation and > overload abatement decisions. > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat > > > > > _______________________________________________ > DiME mailing list > DiME@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dime > --------------040509070905040904040405 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Janet,

The core requirement is to give Diameter applications the ability to specify a priority that can then be used to drive Overload abatement behavior. 

I am open to making this crisper in the next version of the draft.

I don't envision this draft specifying how to set those priorities.  This is up to the individual applications to specify.

Steve

On 4/24/15 10:25 AM, Janet P Gunn wrote:
I am finally looking at this document in detail.

At the highest level, what strikes me is that it doesn't have a lot of specificity on the requirements it is intended to meet.

Since you reference the analogy with SIP RPH (RFC4412), it might make sense to look at the requirements specs that led to RPH (RFC -3487 “Requirements for Resource Priority Mechanisms for the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)” and RFC-3689 “ETS General Requirements” - which is more generally about priority marking), and see which, if any, are relevant for Diameter.

Janet

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All,

I have submitted a draft proposing work on defining Diameter routing message priority.  The primary use case for the draft is to give the ability to mark different requests with different priorities, giving Diameter nodes making DOIC throttling decisions additional information on which requests should be throttled first.

The draft outlines a number of considerations on the design of the mechanism, should the working group decide to take on the work.

I will be requesting adding this as a DIME working group milestone at the Dallas IETF meeting.

Regards,

Steve


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject:
New Version Notification for draft-donovan-dime-drmp-00.txt
Date:
Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:47:36 -0800
From:
internet-drafts@ietf.org
To:
Steve Donovan <srdonovan@usdonovans.com>, Steve Donovan <srdonovan@usdonovans.com>



A new version of I-D, draft-donovan-dime-drmp-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by Steve Donovan and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name:                                  draft-donovan-dime-drmp
Revision:                 00
Title:                                  Diameter Routing Message Priority
Document date:                 2015-03-06
Group:                                  Individual Submission
Pages:                                  11
URL:            http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-donovan-dime-drmp-00.txt
Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-donovan-dime-drmp/
Htmlized:       http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-donovan-dime-drmp-00


Abstract:
  When making routing and resource allocation decisions, Diameter nodes
  currently have no generic mechanism to determine the relative
  priority of Diameter requests.  This document defines a mechanism to
  allow Diameter endpoints to indicate the relative priority of
  Diameter requests/transactions/messages.  With this information
  Diameter nodes can factor the relative priority of
  requests/transactions/messages into routing, resource allocation and
  overload abatement decisions.

                                                                                 


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--------------040509070905040904040405-- From nobody Fri Apr 24 09:29:19 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7F11B302E for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 09:29:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.579 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.579 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pjHntRQn1XNf for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 09:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biz131.inmotionhosting.com (biz131.inmotionhosting.com [74.124.197.190]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17D4A1ACEC3 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 09:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpe-76-183-208-111.tx.res.rr.com ([76.183.208.111]:58470 helo=Steves-MacBook-Air.local) by biz131.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (UNKNOWN:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1YlgTY-0006y8-Vx for dime@ietf.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 09:29:15 -0700 Message-ID: <553A6F58.7020404@usdonovans.com> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:29:12 -0500 From: Steve Donovan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dime@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - biz131.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - usdonovans.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: biz131.inmotionhosting.com: authenticated_id: srd+usdonovans.com/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed Archived-At: Subject: [Dime] Agent Overload X-BeenThere: dime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Diameter Maintanence and Extentions Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 16:29:17 -0000 All, I'd like to get some feedback on the latest agent overload draft - http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dime-agent-overload/ This is the draft where the peer report mechanism is being defined. This will be used for agents to report overload information to their peers. It is also expected that it will be used for sending of rate abatement algorithm overload reports. There are a few things of importance in this draft. - The use of the new OC-SourceID AVP to determine that OC-Supported-Features and OC-OLR were inserted by the agents peer. - The use of a new OC-Peer-Algo used to communicate the abatement algorithm to use when receiving a peer report. 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Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 12:36:16 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on AMER-GW15/SRV/CSC(Release 8.5.3FP5|July 31, 2013) at 04/24/2015 12:36:17 PM, Serialize complete at 04/24/2015 12:36:17 PM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 005B369A85257E31_=" Archived-At: Cc: DiME , "dime@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Dime] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-donovan-dime-drmp-00.txt X-BeenThere: dime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Diameter Maintanence and Extentions Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 16:36:29 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 005B369A85257E31_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 U3RldmUsDQoNCkZvciBpbnN0YW5jZSwgaW4gdGhlIGN1cnJlbnQgZHJhZnQsIHNlY3Rpb24gNCAo UHJvYmxlbSBTdGF0ZW1lbnQpIGhhcyBhIA0KIk5vdGUiOg0KICAgICAgTm90ZTogVGhlcmUgYXJl 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28 Apr 2015 17:06:21 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090903000207030905070209 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just to be clear, I made comments on the document prior to the start of WGLC. I would expect those comments to be factored into any updated document. Regards, Steve On 4/6/15 5:41 AM, lionel.morand@orange.com wrote: > > Hi, > > I confirm. We need additional reviews of the document to ensure that > the document reflects the position of the WG before being able to move > it forward. > > So please read it and comment it. Even if there is no specific > comment/concern, please indicate at least that you agree with the > content of the document. > > Regards, > > Lionel > > *De :*Kathleen Moriarty [mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com] > *Envoy :* vendredi 3 avril 2015 21:17 > * :* DOLLY, MARTIN C > *Cc :* MORAND Lionel IMT/OLN; dime-chairs@ietf.org; dime@ietf.org > *Objet :* Re: [Dime] Start of WGLC for draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02 > > Just to clarify, I believe the chairs are asking for reviews of this > draft that appears to have been adopted previously and is now in > working group last call. Please do post reviews of the requirements > draft to the list. > > Thank you. > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 1:35 PM, DOLLY, MARTIN C > wrote: > > I support adoption > > Martin Dolly > Lead Member of Technical Staff > Core & Gov't/Regulatory Standards > AT&T Standards and > Industry Alliances > +1-609-903-3360 > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Apr 2, 2015, at 5:48 AM, "lionel.morand@orange.com > " > wrote: > > > > During the Dime session at IETF92, the authors of > draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02 have asked for a Working Group Last Call. > > > > This email officially starts a Working Group Last Call for the > following document: > > > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02 > > > > Please respond to this email to support the document and/or send > comments by 2015-04-16. > > > > In addition, following the strategy for promoting compliance with > the IPR disclosure rules (RFC6702), the chairs would like to check > whether there are claims of Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) on the > document that need to be disclosed. Therefore, the following questions > are addressed to the WG and Especially Authors and Contributors of the > draft: > > > > * Are you personally aware of any IPR that applies to > draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in > compliance with IETF IPR rules? (See RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669, and 5378 > for more details.) > > > > * If you are a document author or listed contributor on this > document, please reply to this email message regardless of whether or > not you are personally aware of any relevant IPR. We might not be > able to advance this document to the next stage until we have received > a reply from each author and listed contributor. > > > > * If you are on the DIME WG email list but are not an author or > listed contributor for this document, you are reminded of your > opportunity for a voluntary IPR disclosure under BCP 79. 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Merci. > > This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged information that may be protected by law; > they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. > If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this message and its attachments. > As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been modified, changed or falsified. > Thank you. > > > _______________________________________________ > DiME mailing list > DiME@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dime --------------090903000207030905070209 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just to be clear, I made comments on the document prior to the start of WGLC. I would expect those comments to be factored into any updated document.

Regards,

Steve

On 4/6/15 5:41 AM, lionel.morand@orange.com wrote:

Hi,

I confirm. We need additional reviews of the document to ensure that the document reflects the position of the WG before being able to move it forward.

So please read it and comment it. Even if there is no specific comment/concern, please indicate at least that you agree with the content of the document.

Regards,

Lionel

De: Kathleen Moriarty [mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com]
Envoy: vendredi 3 avril 2015 21:17
: DOLLY, MARTIN C
Cc: MORAND Lionel IMT/OLN; dime-chairs@ietf.org; dime@ietf.org
Objet: Re: [Dime] Start of WGLC for draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02

Just to clarify, I believe the chairs are asking for reviews of this draft that appears to have been adopted previously and is now in working group last call. Please do post reviews of the requirements draft to the list.

Thank you.

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 1:35 PM, DOLLY, MARTIN C <md3135@att.com> wrote:

I support adoption

Martin Dolly
Lead Member of Technical Staff
Core & Gov't/Regulatory Standards
AT&T Standards and
Industry Alliances
+1-609-903-3360
Sent from my iPhone


> On Apr 2, 2015, at 5:48 AM, "lionel.morand@orange.com" <lionel.morand@orange.com> wrote:
>
> During the Dime session at IETF92, the authors of draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02 have asked for a Working Group Last Call.
>
> This email officially starts a Working Group Last Call for the following document:
>
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02
>
> Please respond to this email to support the document and/or send comments by 2015-04-16.
>
> In addition, following the strategy for promoting compliance with the IPR disclosure rules (RFC6702), the chairs would like to check whether there are claims of Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) on the document that need to be disclosed. Therefore, the following questions are addressed to the WG and Especially Authors and Contributors of the draft:
>
> * Are you personally aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules? (See RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669, and 5378 for more details.)
>
> * If you are a document author or listed contributor on this document, please reply to this email message regardless of whether or not you are personally aware of any relevant IPR. We might not be able to advance this document to the next stage until we have received a reply from each author and listed contributor.
>
> * If you are on the DIME WG email list but are not an author or listed contributor for this document, you are reminded of your opportunity for a voluntary IPR disclosure under BCP 79. Please do not reply unless you want to make such a voluntary disclosure.
>
> Online tools for filing IPR disclosures can be found at <http://www.ietf.org/ipr/file-disclosure>.
>
> Regards,
>
> Lionel
>
> _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>
> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc
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--------------090903000207030905070209-- From nobody Tue Apr 28 10:28:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21241A87C7 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 10:28:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8eIulR537ycy for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 10:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pd0-x236.google.com (mail-pd0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A06C81A6FE7 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 10:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pdea3 with SMTP id a3so1593301pde.3 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 10:28:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tztTqITaaD1UtwbCgtoZWWFJDRdZtBfojU0578AhyOg=; b=sNN+xnKTP57SktPcXU65ahrXKdl9sARQFH7G39DKBcqlbKdWD7fYnPizM6QBu9ym3f OGc+GnKN9WomycyHfCuahlEtpSIEaQOmhdEcHylUEb4qUanvCb6snOzf9BEDvKLQ+a2d 1lWrG9tXQJ81cZcHnCa3DCED6nGJPtTqb3M1Gry9bDOONUOgd7v05k/V8Z8iBIXxebD4 yFWXCHkCQMVCTl8tF/hB89SSwWnYnhyQhd7aRnDuUJ5Lx9qY/RKw3tK3zY9EIgBfZb6T 3xrIAlhy8V5NK/+hMZU87gf7FcZ75H7u15wL/0AYSrmtBSq6pNpdqf0inpW4H4vceZa1 nLpw== X-Received: by 10.68.136.42 with SMTP id px10mr34488323pbb.19.1430242126332; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 10:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [107.18.164.114] ([12.229.246.2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id k8sm3010954pbq.51.2015.04.28.10.28.44 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 28 Apr 2015 10:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <553FC34B.9010007@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 10:28:43 -0700 From: Jouni Korhonen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dime@ietf.org References: <1178_1427968121_551D1079_1178_124_1_6B7134B31289DC4FAF731D844122B36EF26286@PEXCVZYM13.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <6F61D235-C82B-4AE9-9ABC-7E5B6474505B@att.com> <23920_1428316868_552262C4_23920_947_1_6B7134B31289DC4FAF731D844122B36EF61B00@PEXCVZYM13.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <553FBE04.3070505@usdonovans.com> In-Reply-To: <553FBE04.3070505@usdonovans.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dime] Start of WGLC for draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02 X-BeenThere: dime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Diameter Maintanence and Extentions Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 17:28:48 -0000 Definitely. - Jouni 4/28/2015, 10:06 AM, Steve Donovan kirjoitti: > Just to be clear, I made comments on the document prior to the start of > WGLC. I would expect those comments to be factored into any updated > document. > > Regards, > > Steve > > On 4/6/15 5:41 AM, lionel.morand@orange.com wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I confirm. We need additional reviews of the document to ensure that >> the document reflects the position of the WG before being able to move >> it forward. >> >> So please read it and comment it. Even if there is no specific >> comment/concern, please indicate at least that you agree with the >> content of the document. >> >> Regards, >> >> Lionel >> >> *De :*Kathleen Moriarty [mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com] >> *Envoy :* vendredi 3 avril 2015 21:17 >> * :* DOLLY, MARTIN C >> *Cc :* MORAND Lionel IMT/OLN; dime-chairs@ietf.org; dime@ietf.org >> *Objet :* Re: [Dime] Start of WGLC for draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02 >> >> Just to clarify, I believe the chairs are asking for reviews of this >> draft that appears to have been adopted previously and is now in >> working group last call. Please do post reviews of the requirements >> draft to the list. >> >> Thank you. >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 1:35 PM, DOLLY, MARTIN C > > wrote: >> >> I support adoption >> >> Martin Dolly >> Lead Member of Technical Staff >> Core & Gov't/Regulatory Standards >> AT&T Standards and >> Industry Alliances >> +1-609-903-3360 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> > On Apr 2, 2015, at 5:48 AM, "lionel.morand@orange.com >> " > > wrote: >> > >> > During the Dime session at IETF92, the authors of >> draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02 have asked for a Working Group Last Call. >> > >> > This email officially starts a Working Group Last Call for the >> following document: >> > >> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02 >> > >> > Please respond to this email to support the document and/or send >> comments by 2015-04-16. >> > >> > In addition, following the strategy for promoting compliance with >> the IPR disclosure rules (RFC6702), the chairs would like to check >> whether there are claims of Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) on the >> document that need to be disclosed. Therefore, the following questions >> are addressed to the WG and Especially Authors and Contributors of the >> draft: >> > >> > * Are you personally aware of any IPR that applies to >> draft-ietf-dime-e2e-sec-req-02? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in >> compliance with IETF IPR rules? (See RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669, and 5378 >> for more details.) >> > >> > * If you are a document author or listed contributor on this >> document, please reply to this email message regardless of whether or >> not you are personally aware of any relevant IPR. We might not be >> able to advance this document to the next stage until we have received >> a reply from each author and listed contributor. >> > >> > * If you are on the DIME WG email list but are not an author or >> listed contributor for this document, you are reminded of your >> opportunity for a voluntary IPR disclosure under BCP 79. Please do >> not reply unless you want to make such a voluntary disclosure. >> > >> > Online tools for filing IPR disclosures can be found at >> . >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Lionel >> > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ >> > >> > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations >> confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc >> > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous >> avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler >> > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les >> messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, >> > Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, >> deforme ou falsifie. Merci. >> > >> > This message and its attachments may contain confidential or >> privileged information that may be protected by law; >> > they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. >> > If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender >> and delete this message and its attachments. >> > As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that >> have been modified, changed or falsified. >> > Thank you. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > DiME mailing list >> > DiME@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dime >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DiME mailing list >> DiME@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dime >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Best regards, >> >> Kathleen >> >> _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ >> >> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc >> pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Merci. >> >> This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged information that may be protected by law; >> they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. >> If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this message and its attachments. >> As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been modified, changed or falsified. >> Thank you. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DiME mailing list >> DiME@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dime > > > > _______________________________________________ > DiME mailing list > DiME@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dime > From nobody Thu Apr 30 11:57:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dime@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69811ACDF1 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 11:56:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.579 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.579 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z0gNpbcIEGaW for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 11:56:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biz131.inmotionhosting.com (biz131.inmotionhosting.com [74.124.197.190]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A65E91A894C for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 11:56:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpe-76-183-208-111.tx.res.rr.com ([76.183.208.111]:54513 helo=Steves-MacBook-Air.local) by biz131.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (UNKNOWN:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Yntdn-000AzN-KB for dime@ietf.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 11:56:57 -0700 Message-ID: <55427AF7.6090002@usdonovans.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 13:56:55 -0500 From: Steve Donovan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dime@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - biz131.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - usdonovans.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: biz131.inmotionhosting.com: authenticated_id: srd+usdonovans.com/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed Archived-At: Subject: [Dime] Load Use Case justifying endpoint load reports X-BeenThere: dime@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Diameter Maintanence and Extentions Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 18:56:59 -0000 All, There has been some offline discussion about whether or not the Diameter Load mechanism should include two types of Load reports. I believe there is consensus that there is the need for a peer load report to support load balancing when routing requests to the next hop. The question is whether or not we should also support an "endpoint" load report. This load report would be the load of a server (or a client) and would be carried end-to-end. The case for an endpoint load report can be supported by the following use case. Assume a Diameter network for a Diameter application where the servers are partitioned across the user space. For simplicity, assume that user identities starting with the numbers 0 through 4 are handled by partition 1 and that user identities starting with the numbers 5 through 9 are handled by partition 2. Also assume that each partition has three servers -- P1S1, P1S2 and P1S2 in partition 1 and P2S1, P2S2 AND P2S3 in partition 2. Next assume that there is a database that maps user identities to partitions. This scenario assumes that the database is a standalone device that has some query mechanism for accessing the mapping. Different implementations are possible. The query has the user identity as the key and a set of Diameter servers as the response. This query does NOT return anything but the set of servers able to handle requests for the user id presented. Specifically, the query does not return the load of the servers. Now, assume the following network topology: P1S1 P1S2 P1S3 P2S1 P2S2 P2S3 \ | / \ | / ------- ------- / \ / \ P1A1 P1A2 P2A1 P2A2 | | | | ------------------------------------- | | DB---- AA1 AA2-----DB \ / C The lines are for convenience, they are not meant to imply anything physical, just that AA1 has connections to P1A1, P1A2, P2A1 and P2A2, for instance. AA1 and AA2 are "access agents" and have access to the database that map user identities to sets of servers. The flow of a request would be as follows: 1) C - Does realm routing using received peer load reports to load balance between AA1 and AA2. Assume C routes to AA1. 2) AA1 queries the DB. Assume the user identity starts with the number 1. The DB returns the set of servers including P1S1, P1S2 and P1S3. 3) AA1 then selects the server that is to handle the request from the set of servers returned. AA1 uses endpoint load reports received from P1S1, P1S2 and P1S3 to makes its selection. Assume in this case that AA1 selection P1S2. As a result AA1 inserts the Destination-Host AVP into the request with a value of P1S2. 4) AA1 then determines the route for the request. In this case the route would need to be determines based on the combination of the Destination-Realm, Application-ID and the Destination-Host in the request. The routing tables would indicate that P1A1 and P1A2 are the candidate next hop servers for the request. This requires AA1 to have a route defined for each of the servers. AA1 then uses peer load information received from P1A1 and P1A2 to select the next hop. Assume AA1 selects P1A1. 5) P1A1 determines that the request is targeted for P1S2 based on the Destination-Host AVP. As a result it routes the request directly to P1S2. P1A1 cannot use a peer report to load balance in this case as the request includes the destination in the Destination-Host AVP. The endpoint load report is used in step 3 to select the server that will handle the request. Peer load reports are used to select the next hop. Regards, Steve