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Subject: Re: [Dime] WG Adoption call for draft-bertz-dime-rfc4006bis-01
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Support (and also editor)


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From: DiME [mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen
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Subject: Re: [Dime] WG Adoption call for draft-bertz-dime-rfc4006bis-01

<chair hat off>

I support the adoption.

- Jouni

7/23/2016, 9:50 PM, Jouni kirjoitti:
> Folks,
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> As already supported in IETF96 Berlin meeting we are ratifying the adopti=
on of draft-bertz-dime-rfc4006bis-01 as a WG Item. The WG adoption call end=
s 8/7/2016. Voice you support or opposition (with a reason why) on the mail=
ing list.
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> - Lionel & Jouni
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A friendly reminder to express your support or opposition to the 
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- Jouni & Lionel


> 7/23/2016, 9:50 PM, Jouni kirjoitti:
>> Folks,
>>
>> As already supported in IETF96 Berlin meeting we are ratifying the
>> adoption of draft-bertz-dime-rfc4006bis-01 as a WG Item. The WG
>> adoption call ends 8/7/2016. Voice you support or opposition (with a
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>> - Lionel & Jouni
>>


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As an individual, I support adopting this document as WG document.
There is a need to fix this application widely used in mobile networks.
The document is not complete but is a good basis for further discussions.

Regards,

Lionel

Lionel

Le 1 ao=FBt 2016 17:47, Jouni Korhonen <jouni.nospam@gmail.com> a =E9crit :

A friendly reminder to express your support or opposition to the
adoption of this draft.

- Jouni & Lionel


> 7/23/2016, 9:50 PM, Jouni kirjoitti:
>> Folks,
>>
>> As already supported in IETF96 Berlin meeting we are ratifying the
>> adoption of draft-bertz-dime-rfc4006bis-01 as a WG Item. The WG
>> adoption call ends 8/7/2016. Voice you support or opposition (with a
>> reason why) on the mailing list.
>>
>> - Lionel & Jouni
>>

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I support the adoption

Maryse

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A friendly reminder to express your support or opposition to the adoption o=
f this draft.

- Jouni & Lionel


> 7/23/2016, 9:50 PM, Jouni kirjoitti:
>> Folks,
>>
>> As already supported in IETF96 Berlin meeting we are ratifying the=20
>> adoption of draft-bertz-dime-rfc4006bis-01 as a WG Item. The WG=20
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>> - Lionel & Jouni
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The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5777,
"Traffic Classification and Quality of Service (QoS) Attributes for Diameter".

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http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5777&eid=4758

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Type: Technical
Reported by: Ryan dun <dryan1007@aol.com>

Section: 5777

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Please again delete this I don't know I've been hacked. Thank you

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RFC5777 (draft-ietf-dime-qos-attributes-15)
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Title               : Traffic Classification and Quality of Service (QoS) Attributes for Diameter
Publication Date    : February 2010
Author(s)           : J. Korhonen, H. Tschofenig, M. Arumaithurai, M. Jones, Ed., A. Lior
Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
Source              : Diameter Maintenance and Extensions
Area                : Operations and Management
Stream              : IETF
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#58: Multiple Reporting Nodes for realm-routed-request type reports

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#86: Need Requirements Analysis

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#90: Section 4.3, paragraph 5

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#87: Security Considerations Out of Date

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..I did some clean up.. There are still few comments that are hanging 
(I'll close those when RFCs are out unless prospective issuers close 
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#95: Future Proofing Enums

 The AVPs that were identified as ones that requires that process are:
 * User-Equipment-Info-Type (currently does not support IMEI)
 * Redirect-Server
 * Subscription-Id

 Example:

 {{{
 User-Equipment-Info-Extension ::= < AVP Header: XXX >
 [ User-Equipment-Info-IMEISV ]
 [ User-Equipment-Info-MAC ]
 [ User-Equipment-Info-EUI64 ]
 [ User-Equipment-Info-ModifiedEUI64 ]
 [ User-Equipment-Info-IMEI ]
 *[ AVP ]
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#97: Add QoS-Final-Unit-Indication AVP

 Proposal: Q-F-U-I  (new AVP) that
 * Replaces Restriction-Filter-Rule with Filter-Rule (RFC 5777)
 * is extensible
 Notes added in:
 * F-U-I AVP Section that if you want QoS in a Rule it MUST be addressable
 as Filter-Id or use Q-F-U-I
 * Q-F-U-I AVP that if you require backwards compatibility you MUST use
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A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.

        
        RFC 7944

        Title:      Diameter Routing Message Priority 
        Author:     S. Donovan
        Status:     Standards Track
        Stream:     IETF
        Date:       August 2016
        Mailbox:    srdonovan@usdonovans.com
        Pages:      18
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        Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-dime-drmp-07.txt

        URL:        https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7944

        DOI:        http://dx.doi.org/10.17487/RFC7944

When making routing and resource allocation decisions, Diameter nodes
currently have no generic mechanism to determine the relative
priority of Diameter messages.  This document addresses this by
defining a mechanism to allow Diameter endpoints to indicate the
relative priority of Diameter transactions.  With this information,
Diameter nodes can factor that priority into routing, resource
allocation, and overload abatement decisions.

This document is a product of the Diameter Maintenance and Extensions Working Group of the IETF.

This is now a Proposed Standard.

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Congrats! And big thanks to Steve driving this through to completion.

- Jouni & Lionel

8/4/2016, 5:03 PM, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org kirjoitti:
> A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.
>
>
>         RFC 7944
>
>         Title:      Diameter Routing Message Priority
>         Author:     S. Donovan
>         Status:     Standards Track
>         Stream:     IETF
>         Date:       August 2016
>         Mailbox:    srdonovan@usdonovans.com
>         Pages:      18
>         Characters: 41028
>         Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None
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>         I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-dime-drmp-07.txt
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>         URL:        https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7944
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>         DOI:        http://dx.doi.org/10.17487/RFC7944
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> When making routing and resource allocation decisions, Diameter nodes
> currently have no generic mechanism to determine the relative
> priority of Diameter messages.  This document addresses this by
> defining a mechanism to allow Diameter endpoints to indicate the
> relative priority of Diameter transactions.  With this information,
> Diameter nodes can factor that priority into routing, resource
> allocation, and overload abatement decisions.
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> This document is a product of the Diameter Maintenance and Extensions Working Group of the IETF.
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Folks,

Lionel and I have been drafting a reply LS to 3GPP SA5 (and CC CT3/CT4). 
This is the current draft. Comments are welcome. One question is (Lionel 
favours, I disagree ;) whether we should repeat the two questions 3GPP 
asked from us or assume they can look it up from the origial LS.

- Jouni & Lionel

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The IETF DIME WG thanks the 3GPP SA5 WG for their LS and query regarding 
the IETF RFC 4006 (https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1470/).

The IETF DIME WG has discussed both options raised in the LS from 3GPP 
SA5 and the decision was made to update of the IETF RFC 4006 (the option 
1). The aim of this update is to align the Diameter Credit-Control 
application specification with the IETF RFC 6733, fix existing known 
issues in the current specification and comply with the recommendations 
given in the IETF RFC 7423 on the design of Diameter application. The 
time line for the completion of the RFC 4006 update is set to November 2017.

As a reminder, the IETF RFC 3588 does not define a new Diameter base 
protocol but is a new version of the specification defining the Diameter 
base protocol. The IETF RFC 3588 is obsoleted by the IETF RFC 6733, as 
defined in the IETF RFC 2223:

    Obsoleted-by

       To be used to refer to the newer document(s) that replaces the
       older document.

In the present case, any document using the IETF RFC 3588 as reference 
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Did you mean?

" As a reminder, the IETF RFC 6733 does not define a new Diameter base prot=
ocol but is a new version of the specification defining the Diameter base p=
rotocol."

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [Dime] draft reply LS to 3GPP SA5 on RFC 4006..

Folks,

Lionel and I have been drafting a reply LS to 3GPP SA5 (and CC CT3/CT4).=20
This is the current draft. Comments are welcome. One question is (Lionel fa=
vours, I disagree ;) whether we should repeat the two questions 3GPP asked =
from us or assume they can look it up from the origial LS.

- Jouni & Lionel

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
The IETF DIME WG thanks the 3GPP SA5 WG for their LS and query regarding th=
e IETF RFC 4006 (https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1470/).

The IETF DIME WG has discussed both options raised in the LS from 3GPP
SA5 and the decision was made to update of the IETF RFC 4006 (the option 1)=
. The aim of this update is to align the Diameter Credit-Control applicatio=
n specification with the IETF RFC 6733, fix existing known issues in the cu=
rrent specification and comply with the recommendations given in the IETF R=
FC 7423 on the design of Diameter application. The time line for the comple=
tion of the RFC 4006 update is set to November 2017.

As a reminder, the IETF RFC 3588 does not define a new Diameter base protoc=
ol but is a new version of the specification defining the Diameter base pro=
tocol. The IETF RFC 3588 is obsoleted by the IETF RFC 6733, as defined in t=
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    Obsoleted-by

       To be used to refer to the newer document(s) that replaces the
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Of course :)

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Le 7 ao=FBt 2016 07:54, Yuval Lifshitz <ylifshitz@sandvine.com> a =E9crit :
Did you mean?

" As a reminder, the IETF RFC 6733 does not define a new Diameter base prot=
ocol but is a new version of the specification defining the Diameter base p=
rotocol."

-----Original Message-----
From: DiME [mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 8:41 PM
To: dime@ietf.org
Subject: [Dime] draft reply LS to 3GPP SA5 on RFC 4006..

Folks,

Lionel and I have been drafting a reply LS to 3GPP SA5 (and CC CT3/CT4).
This is the current draft. Comments are welcome. One question is (Lionel fa=
vours, I disagree ;) whether we should repeat the two questions 3GPP asked =
from us or assume they can look it up from the origial LS.

- Jouni & Lionel

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
The IETF DIME WG thanks the 3GPP SA5 WG for their LS and query regarding th=
e IETF RFC 4006 (https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1470/).

The IETF DIME WG has discussed both options raised in the LS from 3GPP
SA5 and the decision was made to update of the IETF RFC 4006 (the option 1)=
. The aim of this update is to align the Diameter Credit-Control applicatio=
n specification with the IETF RFC 6733, fix existing known issues in the cu=
rrent specification and comply with the recommendations given in the IETF R=
FC 7423 on the design of Diameter application. The time line for the comple=
tion of the RFC 4006 update is set to November 2017.

As a reminder, the IETF RFC 3588 does not define a new Diameter base protoc=
ol but is a new version of the specification defining the Diameter base pro=
tocol. The IETF RFC 3588 is obsoleted by the IETF RFC 6733, as defined in t=
he IETF RFC 2223:

    Obsoleted-by

       To be used to refer to the newer document(s) that replaces the
       older document.

In the present case, any document using the IETF RFC 3588 as reference for =
the Diameter base protocol should be updated to refer to the new IETF RFC 6=
733. Therefore, as a general guideline, the IETF DIME WG recommends 3GPP WG=
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Of course :) <br>
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Lionel</p>
<div class=3D"x_quote">Le 7 ao=FBt 2016 07:54, Yuval Lifshitz &lt;ylifshitz=
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<div class=3D"PlainText">Did you mean?<br>
<br>
&quot; As a reminder, the IETF RFC 6733 does not define a new Diameter base=
 protocol but is a new version of the specification defining the Diameter b=
ase protocol.&quot;<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: DiME [<a href=3D"mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:dime-bounces@ie=
tf.org</a>] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen<br>
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 8:41 PM<br>
To: dime@ietf.org<br>
Subject: [Dime] draft reply LS to 3GPP SA5 on RFC 4006..<br>
<br>
Folks,<br>
<br>
Lionel and I have been drafting a reply LS to 3GPP SA5 (and CC CT3/CT4). <b=
r>
This is the current draft. Comments are welcome. One question is (Lionel fa=
vours, I disagree ;) whether we should repeat the two questions 3GPP asked =
from us or assume they can look it up from the origial LS.<br>
<br>
- Jouni &amp; Lionel<br>
<br>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------<b=
r>
The IETF DIME WG thanks the 3GPP SA5 WG for their LS and query regarding th=
e IETF RFC 4006 (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1470/">htt=
ps://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1470/</a>).<br>
<br>
The IETF DIME WG has discussed both options raised in the LS from 3GPP<br>
SA5 and the decision was made to update of the IETF RFC 4006 (the option 1)=
. The aim of this update is to align the Diameter Credit-Control applicatio=
n specification with the IETF RFC 6733, fix existing known issues in the cu=
rrent specification and comply with
 the recommendations given in the IETF RFC 7423 on the design of Diameter a=
pplication. The time line for the completion of the RFC 4006 update is set =
to November 2017.<br>
<br>
As a reminder, the IETF RFC 3588 does not define a new Diameter base protoc=
ol but is a new version of the specification defining the Diameter base pro=
tocol. The IETF RFC 3588 is obsoleted by the IETF RFC 6733, as defined in t=
he IETF RFC 2223:<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Obsoleted-by<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; To be used to refer to the newer docum=
ent(s) that replaces the<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; older document.<br>
<br>
In the present case, any document using the IETF RFC 3588 as reference for =
the Diameter base protocol should be updated to refer to the new IETF RFC 6=
733. Therefore, as a general guideline, the IETF DIME WG recommends 3GPP WG=
s to follow this recommendation
 in their specifications when applicable.<br>
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Greetings,

FYI - this report has been removed.

Thank you.

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On Aug 1, 2016, at 9:47 PM, RFC Errata System =
<rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org> wrote:

> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5777,
> "Traffic Classification and Quality of Service (QoS) Attributes for =
Diameter".
>=20
> --------------------------------------
> You may review the report below and at:
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=3D5777&eid=3D4758
>=20
> --------------------------------------
> Type: Technical
> Reported by: Ryan dun <dryan1007@aol.com>
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> Section: 5777
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> Original Text
> -------------
> Please again delete this I don't know I've been hacked. Thank you
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> Corrected Text
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> Title               : Traffic Classification and Quality of Service =
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> Publication Date    : February 2010
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> Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
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The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5777,
"Traffic Classification and Quality of Service (QoS) Attributes for Diameter".

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You may review the report below and at:
http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5777&eid=4766

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Type: Editorial
Reported by: Ryan Duncan <dryan1008@aol.com>

Section: 2333 2335

Original Text
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Please cancel 

Corrected Text
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Please cancel hacking involved 

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RFC5777 (draft-ietf-dime-qos-attributes-15)
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Title               : Traffic Classification and Quality of Service (QoS) Attributes for Diameter
Publication Date    : February 2010
Author(s)           : J. Korhonen, H. Tschofenig, M. Arumaithurai, M. Jones, Ed., A. Lior
Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
Source              : Diameter Maintenance and Extensions
Area                : Operations and Management
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Hi,

I would also favor having the two questions from the 3GPP LS repeated as pe=
r suggestion below:

"The IETF DIME WG has discussed both options raised in the LS from 3GPP SA5=
:
*             Is IETF RFC 4006 planned to be updated in order to rely on IE=
TF RFC 6733 as the new Diameter Base protocol?
*             If not, are there any recommendations from IETF on how to add=
ress the implicit reference to IETF RFC 3588 as Diameter Base Protocol for =
3GPP SA5 Diameter Online charging through use of IETF RFC 4006?
and the decision was made to update of the IETF RFC 4006 as per the first o=
ption."

Beside this, I am not sure to understand the sentence below in the context =
of this LS:
"In the present case, any document using the IETF RFC 3588 as reference for=
 the Diameter base protocol should be updated to refer to the new IETF RFC =
6733. Therefore, as a general guideline, the IETF DIME WG recommends 3GPP W=
Gs to follow this recommendation in their specifications when applicable". =
Especially what is intended to be conveyed  behind "In the present case"?

Maryse

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Sent: dimanche 7 ao=FBt 2016 15:56
To: Yuval Lifshitz; jouni.nospam@gmail.com; dime@ietf.org
Subject: [Dime] RE : Re: draft reply LS to 3GPP SA5 on RFC 4006..


Of course :)

Lionel
Le 7 ao=FBt 2016 07:54, Yuval Lifshitz <ylifshitz@sandvine.com<mailto:ylifs=
hitz@sandvine.com>> a =E9crit :
Did you mean?

" As a reminder, the IETF RFC 6733 does not define a new Diameter base prot=
ocol but is a new version of the specification defining the Diameter base p=
rotocol."

-----Original Message-----
From: DiME [mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 8:41 PM
To: dime@ietf.org<mailto:dime@ietf.org>
Subject: [Dime] draft reply LS to 3GPP SA5 on RFC 4006..

Folks,

Lionel and I have been drafting a reply LS to 3GPP SA5 (and CC CT3/CT4).
This is the current draft. Comments are welcome. One question is (Lionel fa=
vours, I disagree ;) whether we should repeat the two questions 3GPP asked =
from us or assume they can look it up from the origial LS.

- Jouni & Lionel

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The IETF DIME WG thanks the 3GPP SA5 WG for their LS and query regarding th=
e IETF RFC 4006 (https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1470/).

The IETF DIME WG has discussed both options raised in the LS from 3GPP
SA5 and the decision was made to update of the IETF RFC 4006 (the option 1)=
. The aim of this update is to align the Diameter Credit-Control applicatio=
n specification with the IETF RFC 6733, fix existing known issues in the cu=
rrent specification and comply with the recommendations given in the IETF R=
FC 7423 on the design of Diameter application. The time line for the comple=
tion of the RFC 4006 update is set to November 2017.

As a reminder, the IETF RFC 3588 does not define a new Diameter base protoc=
ol but is a new version of the specification defining the Diameter base pro=
tocol. The IETF RFC 3588 is obsoleted by the IETF RFC 6733, as defined in t=
he IETF RFC 2223:

    Obsoleted-by

       To be used to refer to the newer document(s) that replaces the
       older document.

In the present case, any document using the IETF RFC 3588 as reference for =
the Diameter base protocol should be updated to refer to the new IETF RFC 6=
733. Therefore, as a general guideline, the IETF DIME WG recommends 3GPP WG=
s to follow this recommendation in their specifications when applicable.
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I would also favor having=
 the two questions from the 3GPP LS repeated as per suggestion below:<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8220;The IETF DIME WG has discussed b=
oth options raised in the LS from 3GPP SA5:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Is IETF RFC 4006 planned to be upd=
ated in order to rely on IETF RFC 6733 as the new Diameter Base protocol?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&#8226;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If not, are there any recommendati=
ons from IETF on how to address the implicit reference to IETF RFC 3588 as =
Diameter Base Protocol for 3GPP SA5 Diameter Online
 charging through use of IETF RFC 4006?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and the decision was made to update of =
the IETF RFC 4006 as per the first option.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Beside this, I am not sur=
e to understand the sentence below in the context of this LS:&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&#8220;</span><span style=
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">In the present case, any document using the IETF RFC 3588 as reference fo=
r the Diameter
 base protocol should be updated to refer to the new IETF RFC 6733. Therefo=
re, as a general guideline, the IETF DIME WG recommends 3GPP WGs to follow =
this recommendation in their specifications when applicable<span style=3D"c=
olor:#1F497D">&#8221;. Especially what is
 intended to be conveyed &nbsp;behind &#8220;</span>In the present case<spa=
n style=3D"color:#1F497D">&#8221;?<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Maryse<o:p></o:p></span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> DiME [ma=
ilto:dime-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>lionel.morand@orange.com<br>
<b>Sent:</b> dimanche 7 ao=FBt 2016 15:56<br>
<b>To:</b> Yuval Lifshitz; jouni.nospam@gmail.com; dime@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Dime] RE&nbsp;: Re: draft reply LS to 3GPP SA5 on RFC 4006=
..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Of course :) <br>
<br>
Lionel<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Le 7 ao=FBt 2016 07:54, Yuval Lifshitz &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:ylifshitz@sandvine.com">ylifshitz@sandvine.com</a>&gt; a =E9crit=
 :<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Did you mean?<br>
<br>
&quot; As a reminder, the IETF RFC 6733 does not define a new Diameter base=
 protocol but is a new version of the specification defining the Diameter b=
ase protocol.&quot;<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: DiME [<a href=3D"mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:dime-bounces@ie=
tf.org</a>] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen<br>
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 8:41 PM<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:dime@ietf.org">dime@ietf.org</a><br>
Subject: [Dime] draft reply LS to 3GPP SA5 on RFC 4006..<br>
<br>
Folks,<br>
<br>
Lionel and I have been drafting a reply LS to 3GPP SA5 (and CC CT3/CT4). <b=
r>
This is the current draft. Comments are welcome. One question is (Lionel fa=
vours, I disagree ;) whether we should repeat the two questions 3GPP asked =
from us or assume they can look it up from the origial LS.<br>
<br>
- Jouni &amp; Lionel<br>
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The IETF DIME WG thanks the 3GPP SA5 WG for their LS and query regarding th=
e IETF RFC 4006 (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1470/">htt=
ps://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1470/</a>).<br>
<br>
The IETF DIME WG has discussed both options raised in the LS from 3GPP<br>
SA5 and the decision was made to update of the IETF RFC 4006 (the option 1)=
. The aim of this update is to align the Diameter Credit-Control applicatio=
n specification with the IETF RFC 6733, fix existing known issues in the cu=
rrent specification and comply with
 the recommendations given in the IETF RFC 7423 on the design of Diameter a=
pplication. The time line for the completion of the RFC 4006 update is set =
to November 2017.<br>
<br>
As a reminder, the IETF RFC 3588 does not define a new Diameter base protoc=
ol but is a new version of the specification defining the Diameter base pro=
tocol. The IETF RFC 3588 is obsoleted by the IETF RFC 6733, as defined in t=
he IETF RFC 2223:<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Obsoleted-by<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; To be used to refer to the newer docum=
ent(s) that replaces the<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; older document.<br>
<br>
In the present case, any document using the IETF RFC 3588 as reference for =
the Diameter base protocol should be updated to refer to the new IETF RFC 6=
733. Therefore, as a general guideline, the IETF DIME WG recommends 3GPP WG=
s to follow this recommendation
 in their specifications when applicable.<br>
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In the discussion that started in the IETF96 meeting, it was suggested that=
 new AVPs will be added to allow extending existing enumerated AVPs, that c=
urrently cannot be extended without forcing a new Diameter application ID.
Would like to suggest the following additional AVPs to RFC4006bis:

"
8.XX.  User-Equipment-Info-Extension AVP

   The User-Equipment-Info-Extension AVP (AVP Code XXX) is of type Grouped =
and
   allows the credit-control client to indicate the identity and
   capability of the terminal the subscriber is using for the connection
   to network.

   It is defined as follows (per the grouped-avp-def of RFC 6733):

      User-Equipment-Info-Extension ::=3D < AVP Header: XXX >
                                                              [ User-Equipm=
ent-Info-IMEISV ]
                                                              [ User-Equipm=
ent-Info-MAC ]
                                                              [ User-Equipm=
ent-Info-EUI64 ]
                                                              [ User-Equipm=
ent-Info-ModifiedEUI64 ]
                                                              [ User-Equipm=
ent-Info-IMEI ]
                                                            *[ AVP ]

  Note that if the credit-control client wants to use an equipment type tha=
t does not=20
  exist in the User-Equipment-Info AVP, it MUST use the User-Equipment-Info=
-Extension AVP.
  If the credit-control client wants to use an equipment type that already =
exist the=20
  User-Equipment-Info AVP, it MAY use the User-Equipment-Info-Extension AVP=
 if it is known that=20
  the credit-control support it, or the User-Equipment-Info AVP otherwise.

8.XX.  User-Equipment-Info-IMEISV AVP

   The User-Equipment-Info-IMEISV AVP (AVP Code XXX) is of type OctetString=
.
   The identifier contains the International Mobile Equipment
   Identifier and Software Version in the international IMEISV format
   according to 3GPP TS 23.003 [3GPPIMEI].

8.XX.  User-Equipment-Info-MAC AVP

   The User-Equipment-Info-MAC AVP (AVP Code XXX) is of type OctetString.
   The identifier contains the 48-bit MAC address is formatted as=20
   described in [RAD802.1X].

8.XX.  User-Equipment-Info-EUI64 AVP

   The User-Equipment-Info-EUI64 AVP (AVP Code XXX) is of type OctetString.
   The identifier contains the 64-bit identifier used to identify hardware =
instance of the
   product, as defined in [EUI64].

8.XX.  User-Equipment-Info-ModifiedEUI64 AVP

   The User-Equipment-Info-ModifiedEUI64 AVP (AVP Code XXX) is of type Octe=
tString.
   In case of a types of terminals that have identifiers other than IMEI, I=
EEE 802 MACs, or EUI-64.
   These identifiers can  be converted to modified EUI-64 format as describ=
ed in [IPv6Addr]
   or by using some other methods referred to in the service-specific docum=
entation.

8.XX.  User-Equipment-Info-IMEI AVP

   The User-Equipment-Info-IMEI AVP (AVP Code XXX) is of type OctetString.
   The identifier contains the International Mobile Equipment
   Identifier in the international IMEI format
   according to 3GPP TS 23.003 [3GPPIMEI]."
"

Issue is tracked here: https://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/dime/trac/ticket/95
Will send proposals for other extensible AVPs on separate emails.


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Folk,

The call for adoption has concluded. There was no voices against so we =
can confirm the positive adoption poll made during the Berlin meeting.

Authors, submit a draft-ietf-dime-rfc4006bis-00 version of the _current_ =
adopted document.

- Jouni & Lionel



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> Folks,
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> As already supported in IETF96 Berlin meeting we are ratifying the =
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> - Lionel & Jouni


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All,

I have outlined proposed solutions for the issues raised in the 
discussion around the Diameter Load draft.

Please let me know if I've missed anything from the discussion.

Regards,

Steve

Primary Issues:

1) Use of DNS SRV weighted value as format for LOAD value.

This was discussed and agreed to early in the process.  It has the 
advantage that Diameter nodes can use a combination of values received 
via the DNS SRV interface and dynamic values received through the 
Diameter LOAD interface.  While I agree that it isn't as intuitive as a 
straight percentage value, I don't see this as compelling enough of a 
reason to change a decision the working group has already made.

2) Need to add wording that the calculated LOAD value needs to be based 
on overall available capacity.

I agree with Maria Cruz's comment that we need to add wording indicating 
that the calculated LOAD value needs to reflect available capacity.  To 
this end, I propose adding the following to section 6.1 (this is based 
on wording proposed by Maria Cruz):

The calculated LOAD value MUST reflect the Diameter nodes capacity 
relative to the total available capacity across the Diameter nodes to 
which requests can be routed.  This could be either a set of Diameter 
endpoints or a set of Diameter agents, depending on the type of the LOAD 
report.  The method for determining the total available capacity is 
outside of the scope of this document.

    Note: The LOAD value should be calculated in a way that reflects the 
available load independently of the weight of each
    server.  This allows the Diameter node that routes a request, 
including nodes doing server selection and agents routing
    requests, to accurately compare values from different nodes.  Any 
specific LOAD value needs to identify  the same
    amount of available capacity, regardless the Diameter node that 
calculates the value.

The mechanism used to calculate the LOAD value that fulfills this 
requirement is an implementation decision.

3) Wording in Appendix A.

Before we reword Appendix A, we need to decide if it is still needed.  
It was valuable in helping to generate the solution but I'm not 
convinced it is still needed in the document.  Is there objection to 
removing this section?



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Hello Steve,

Thanks for the proposals, see below
Best regards
/MCruz

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From: DiME [mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Steve Donovan
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To: dime@ietf.org
Subject: [Dime] Proposed resolutions of LOAD discussion

All,

I have outlined proposed solutions for the issues raised in the discussion =
around the Diameter Load draft.

Please let me know if I've missed anything from the discussion.

Regards,

Steve

Primary Issues:

1) Use of DNS SRV weighted value as format for LOAD value.

This was discussed and agreed to early in the process.  It has the advantag=
e that Diameter nodes can use a combination of values received via the DNS =
SRV interface and dynamic values received through the Diameter LOAD interfa=
ce.  While I agree that it isn't as intuitive as a straight percentage valu=
e, I don't see this as compelling enough of a reason to change a decision t=
he working group has already made.
[MCruz] I still think using SRV values is error prone and anti-intuitive, b=
ut I can live with this if you really think it is not possible to re-evalua=
te this now.

2) Need to add wording that the calculated LOAD value needs to be based on =
overall available capacity.

I agree with Maria Cruz's comment that we need to add wording indicating th=
at the calculated LOAD value needs to reflect available capacity.  To this =
end, I propose adding the following to section 6.1 (this is based on wordin=
g proposed by Maria Cruz):

The calculated LOAD value MUST reflect the Diameter nodes capacity relative=
 to the total available capacity across the Diameter nodes to which request=
s can be routed.  This could be either a set of Diameter endpoints or a set=
 of Diameter agents, depending on the type of the LOAD report.  The method =
for determining the total available capacity is outside of the scope of thi=
s document.

    Note: The LOAD value should be calculated in a way that reflects the av=
ailable load independently of the weight of each
    server.  This allows the Diameter node that routes a request, including=
 nodes doing server selection and agents routing
    requests, to accurately compare values from different nodes.  Any speci=
fic LOAD value needs to identify  the same
    amount of available capacity, regardless the Diameter node that calcula=
tes the value.

The mechanism used to calculate the LOAD value that fulfills this requireme=
nt is an implementation decision.


[MCruz] Some comments to proposed text:
" The calculated LOAD value MUST reflect the Diameter nodes capacity relati=
ve to the total available capacity across the Diameter nodes to which reque=
sts can be routed. ": I think it may be misleading what is the "total avail=
able capacity across nodes".
See proposal:
" The calculated LOAD value MUST reflect each Diameter node capacity relati=
ve to the maximum available capacity for a Diameter node to which requests =
can be routed.  "

3) Wording in Appendix A.

Before we reword Appendix A, we need to decide if it is still needed. =20
It was valuable in helping to generate the solution but I'm not convinced i=
t is still needed in the document.  Is there objection to removing this sec=
tion?

[MCruz] I prefer this to remain, it provides some hints that may be valuabl=
e for first time readers.=20

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Subject: Re: [Dime] Proposed resolutions of LOAD discussion
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Maria Cruz,

Thanks for your comments.  See my replies inline.

Regards,

Steve

On 8/25/16 5:31 PM, Maria Cruz Bartolome wrote:
> Hello Steve,
>
> Thanks for the proposals, see below
> Best regards
> /MCruz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DiME [mailto:dime-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Steve Donovan
> Sent: martes, 16 de agosto de 2016 16:50
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> Subject: [Dime] Proposed resolutions of LOAD discussion
>
> All,
>
> I have outlined proposed solutions for the issues raised in the discussion around the Diameter Load draft.
>
> Please let me know if I've missed anything from the discussion.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
>
> Primary Issues:
>
> 1) Use of DNS SRV weighted value as format for LOAD value.
>
> This was discussed and agreed to early in the process.  It has the advantage that Diameter nodes can use a combination of values received via the DNS SRV interface and dynamic values received through the Diameter LOAD interface.  While I agree that it isn't as intuitive as a straight percentage value, I don't see this as compelling enough of a reason to change a decision the working group has already made.
> [MCruz] I still think using SRV values is error prone and anti-intuitive, but I can live with this if you really think it is not possible to re-evaluate this now.
SRD> I haven't seen any argument that using the SRV values doesn't 
work.  As such, I prefer to not change this at this stage of the process.
>
> 2) Need to add wording that the calculated LOAD value needs to be based on overall available capacity.
>
> I agree with Maria Cruz's comment that we need to add wording indicating that the calculated LOAD value needs to reflect available capacity.  To this end, I propose adding the following to section 6.1 (this is based on wording proposed by Maria Cruz):
>
> The calculated LOAD value MUST reflect the Diameter nodes capacity relative to the total available capacity across the Diameter nodes to which requests can be routed.  This could be either a set of Diameter endpoints or a set of Diameter agents, depending on the type of the LOAD report.  The method for determining the total available capacity is outside of the scope of this document.
>
>      Note: The LOAD value should be calculated in a way that reflects the available load independently of the weight of each
>      server.  This allows the Diameter node that routes a request, including nodes doing server selection and agents routing
>      requests, to accurately compare values from different nodes.  Any specific LOAD value needs to identify  the same
>      amount of available capacity, regardless the Diameter node that calculates the value.
>
> The mechanism used to calculate the LOAD value that fulfills this requirement is an implementation decision.
>
>
> [MCruz] Some comments to proposed text:
> " The calculated LOAD value MUST reflect the Diameter nodes capacity relative to the total available capacity across the Diameter nodes to which requests can be routed. ": I think it may be misleading what is the "total available capacity across nodes".
> See proposal:
> " The calculated LOAD value MUST reflect each Diameter node capacity relative to the maximum available capacity for a Diameter node to which requests can be routed."
SRD> This wording could imply that the LOAD value carries load 
information for multiple Diameter nodes.  How about the following:

"The calculated LOAD value MUST reflect the sending Diameter nodes 
capacity relative to the maximum available capacity for the sending 
Diameter node."

>
> 3) Wording in Appendix A.
>
> Before we reword Appendix A, we need to decide if it is still needed.
> It was valuable in helping to generate the solution but I'm not convinced it is still needed in the document.  Is there objection to removing this section?
>
> [MCruz] I prefer this to remain, it provides some hints that may be valuable for first time readers.
SRD> I'd like to hear other opinions on this as there is work required 
to make the section consistent with the mechanism defined. Implementors 
will still have access to this information by reviewing the history of 
the process of writing the specification.

SRD> Are there schedule pressures in 3GPP to get this to RFC state?  If 
so, it will be faster to just remove this section.
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