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Based on previous discussion and general agreement in the dispatch =
working group today, the chairs would like to dispatch =
draft-dawes-dispatch-mediasec-parameter-07 to the SIPCore WG. This draft =
is fundamentally about the security in SIP and thus the general feeling =
is it is best handled by the SIPCore WG.=20

This does not imply the SIP Core WG will accept this work or take on =
this draft as WG item, that is a decisions that WG would need to make.=20=


If you have any objects to having SIPCore be the place we take this =
work, please let us know by November 19.

Thanks,

Mary & Cullen <with our chair hats on>







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On Nov 5, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Cullen Jennings <fluffy@iii.ca> wrote:

>=20
> Based on previous discussion and general agreement in the dispatch =
working group today, the chairs would like to dispatch =
draft-dawes-dispatch-mediasec-parameter-07 to the SIPCore WG. This draft =
is fundamentally about the security in SIP and thus the general feeling =
is it is best handled by the SIPCore WG.=20
>=20
> This does not imply the SIP Core WG will accept this work or take on =
this draft as WG item, that is a decisions that WG would need to make.=20=

>=20
> If you have any objects to having SIPCore be the place we take this =
work, please let us know by November 19.
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> Mary & Cullen <with our chair hats on>
>=20
>=20

That would be "objections" not "objects"=20



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Many thanks to note takers: Dan Romascanu & Jean Mahoney

Action for chairs: post a note saying we will post draft-dawes-dispatch-med=
iasec-parameter to sip core. This has ben done=20



On the topic of external SDP negotiation for Data Channel. For both the dra=
fts=20

draft-ejzak-dispatch-msrp-data-channel-00.txt
draft-ejzak-dispatch-webrtc-data-channel-sdpneg-00.txt

Strong consensus on the following statement "Unfortunately, this needs to b=
e dispatch to the mmusic WG."




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From: cnit-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:cnit-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dan
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Subject: Re: [cnit] [stir] Application servers - Re: Call Center
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Richard,

> On Oct 31, 2013, at 5:34 PM, "Richard Shockey" <richard@shockey.us> wrote:
> 
> I am very interested in working on improving caller name.
> 
> [RS> ]  So I'm not completely insane?  :-)  

Welllllll... we can debate that! ;-) But... If you are insane then a number
of us are because I, too, am interested in working on this.

> Ok then it seams the
> conversation is worth having and there is productive work here ..

I will admit that when we started working on STIR, I had it in my head that
when we talking about "secure origin identification" we were talking about
BOTH the phone number and the displayed caller name. I don't think securing
ONLY the phone number fully helps regular users, because the regular person
out there usually looks at (and trusts!) the displayed "Caller ID". 

If we secure the phone number but not the display name, attackers/spammers
are simply going to figure out ways to send a valid phone number but a
confusing display name. Sure, the secured phone number may help track the
attacker down, but in the meantime victims have been fooled into giving up
information. 

[RS> ]  I agree.  We will have to do both eventually.  


So I think we have to look at how we secure both.

> See you in
> London.  

Why London? Are you not in Vancouver? Or were you just saying this is
post-Vancouver work?

[RS> ]  Obviously not enough time to organize a Goals and Requirements or a
draft charter etc.  I'm not in Vancouver. Its something to properly organize
and present in London. 




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I thought this conference would be of interest to folks in RAI/DISPATCH.

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Subject: [sipnoc13-speakers] SIP Forum Opens Call for Presentations and
Early-Bird Registration for SIPNOC 2014

*The SIP Forum Opens Call for Presentations and Early-Bird Registration for
SIPNOC 2014, June 9 =96 12, 2014*

*Proposals are now being accepted for workshops, panels, speaker
presentations and =93Birds of a Feather=94 sessions addressing the deployme=
nt
of SIP in service provider environments*

*The full text of this SIPNOC 2014 announcement can be found here:*

*http://www.sipforum.org/content/view/418/171/
<http://www.sipforum.org/content/view/418/171/>*



*************************

Marc Robins

President and Managing Director

SIP Forum

http://www.sipforum.org

Mobile: 203-829-6307

SkypeMe! marcrobins



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<div dir=3D"ltr">I thought this conference would be of interest to folks in=
 RAI/DISPATCH. =A0=A0<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">---------- Forwarde=
d message ----------<br>From: <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">Barnes, Mary</b=
> <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Mary.Barnes@polycom.com">Mary.Bar=
nes@polycom.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
Date: Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 1:53 PM<br>Subject: FW: [sipnoc13-speakers] SIP F=
orum Opens Call for Presentations and Early-Bird Registration for SIPNOC 20=
14<br>To: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com">mary.ietf.bar=
nes@gmail.com</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com">m=
ary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<br><br>
<div style=3D"font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;word-wrap:break=
-word"><div><br></div><div><br></div><span><div style=3D"border-right:mediu=
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4df 1pt solid;padding-bottom:0in;border-left:medium none">
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span> &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:marc=
.robins@sipforum.org" target=3D"_blank">marc.robins@sipforum.org</a>&quot; =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:marc.robins@sipforum.org" target=3D"_blank">marc.robi=
ns@sipforum.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Organization: </span> SIP Forum<br><span s=
tyle=3D"font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span> &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:marc.ro=
bins@sipforum.org" target=3D"_blank">marc.robins@sipforum.org</a>&quot; &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:marc.robins@sipforum.org" target=3D"_blank">marc.robins@=
sipforum.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Wednesday, November 6, 2013 =
1:41 PM<br><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span> &quot;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:sipnoc13-speakers@sipforum.org" target=3D"_blank">sipnoc13-speakers@si=
pforum.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sipnoc13-speakers@sipforum.org" =
target=3D"_blank">sipnoc13-speakers@sipforum.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> [sipnoc13-speakers] SIP F=
orum Opens Call for Presentations and	Early-Bird Registration for SIPNOC 20=
14<br></div><div><br></div><div><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"=
purple">
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center"><b=
><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"=
>The SIP Forum Opens Call for Presentations and Early-Bird Registration for=
 SIPNOC 2014, June 9 =96 12, 2014<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center"><b><i><=
span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif">P=
roposals are now being accepted for workshops, panels, speaker presentation=
s and =93Birds of a Feather=94 sessions addressing the deployment of SIP in=
 service provider environments<u></u><u></u></span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center"><b><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif">The =
full text of this SIPNOC 2014 announcement can be found here:<u></u><u></u>=
</span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center"><b><i><=
span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><=
a href=3D"http://www.sipforum.org/content/view/418/171/" target=3D"_blank">=
http://www.sipforum.org/content/view/418/171/</a><u></u><u></u></span></i><=
/b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">***********************=
**</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Marc Robins</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans=
-serif">President and Managing Director</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">SIP=
 Forum</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"http://www.sipforum.org/" target=3D"_blan=
k"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">http://www.s=
ipforum.org</span></a><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
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<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans=
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On Nov 5, 2013, at 5:12 PM, Cullen Jennings (fluffy) <fluffy@cisco.com> wro=
te:

>=20
> Many thanks to note takers: Dan Romascanu & Jean Mahoney
>=20
> Action for chairs: post a note saying we will post draft-dawes-dispatch-m=
ediasec-parameter to sip core. This has ben done=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On the topic of external SDP negotiation for Data Channel. For both the d=
rafts=20
>=20
> draft-ejzak-dispatch-msrp-data-channel-00.txt
> draft-ejzak-dispatch-webrtc-data-channel-sdpneg-00.txt
>=20
> Strong consensus on the following statement "Unfortunately, this needs to=
 be dispatch to the mmusic WG."
>=20

I got a question to clarify "Unfortunately".=20

This came up in the meeting in the context that the mmusic WG is very busy =
right now. This means this draft will be competing for time in that WG with=
 several other drafts. Someone suggested that was unfortunate and it got in=
cluded in the HUM question but I don't think it necessarily reflected the o=
pinion of the WG one way or the other. The key thing was this work needs to=
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We should also clarify that whether MMUSIC will actually charter this as a
work item is up to the MMUSIC WG.  So, the dispatching means explicitly
that if the RAI/IETF is going to do this work item, it should be done in
the MMUSIC WG.

Mary.


On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
<fluffy@cisco.com>wrote:

>
> On Nov 5, 2013, at 5:12 PM, Cullen Jennings (fluffy) <fluffy@cisco.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Many thanks to note takers: Dan Romascanu & Jean Mahoney
> >
> > Action for chairs: post a note saying we will post
> draft-dawes-dispatch-mediasec-parameter to sip core. This has ben done
> >
> >
> >
> > On the topic of external SDP negotiation for Data Channel. For both the
> drafts
> >
> > draft-ejzak-dispatch-msrp-data-channel-00.txt
> > draft-ejzak-dispatch-webrtc-data-channel-sdpneg-00.txt
> >
> > Strong consensus on the following statement "Unfortunately, this needs
> to be dispatch to the mmusic WG."
> >
>
> I got a question to clarify "Unfortunately".
>
> This came up in the meeting in the context that the mmusic WG is very busy
> right now. This means this draft will be competing for time in that WG with
> several other drafts. Someone suggested that was unfortunate and it got
> included in the HUM question but I don't think it necessarily reflected the
> opinion of the WG one way or the other. The key thing was this work needs
> to go mmusic.
>
> Cullen
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">We should also clarify that whether MMUSIC will actually c=
harter this as a work item is up to the MMUSIC WG. =A0So, the dispatching m=
eans explicitly that if the RAI/IETF is going to do this work item, it shou=
ld be done in the MMUSIC WG.<div>
<br></div><div>Mary.=A0</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Cullen Jennings (fluf=
fy) <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fluffy@cisco.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">fluffy@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
On Nov 5, 2013, at 5:12 PM, Cullen Jennings (fluffy) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
fluffy@cisco.com">fluffy@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Many thanks to note takers: Dan Romascanu &amp; Jean Mahoney<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Action for chairs: post a note saying we will post draft-dawes-dispatc=
h-mediasec-parameter to sip core. This has ben done<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On the topic of external SDP negotiation for Data Channel. For both th=
e drafts<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; draft-ejzak-dispatch-msrp-data-channel-00.txt<br>
&gt; draft-ejzak-dispatch-webrtc-data-channel-sdpneg-00.txt<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Strong consensus on the following statement &quot;Unfortunately, this =
needs to be dispatch to the mmusic WG.&quot;<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
</div></div>I got a question to clarify &quot;Unfortunately&quot;.<br>
<br>
This came up in the meeting in the context that the mmusic WG is very busy =
right now. This means this draft will be competing for time in that WG with=
 several other drafts. Someone suggested that was unfortunate and it got in=
cluded in the HUM question but I don&#39;t think it necessarily reflected t=
he opinion of the WG one way or the other. The key thing was this work need=
s to go mmusic.<br>

<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Cullen<br>
<br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>

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Please excuse this one-time cross-posting but I understand that this issue =
and the following drafts now move from dispatch to MMUSIC.  Please respond =
only on the MMUSIC list.

draft-ejzak-dispatch-webrtc-data-channel-sdpneg-00.txt
draft-ejzak-dispatch-msrp-data-channel-00.txt

At the mike, Hadriel Kaplan proposed an alternative approach to the one I p=
resented in dispatch yesterday (and in the first draft above), and I hope t=
o get consensus on the list regarding which approach I should document goin=
g forward.

Hadriel's proposal is to represent each data channel to be negotiated with =
SDP with its own m line and use BUNDLE to link them together onto a single =
SCTP association.  This is in contrast to the proposal in the draft that ke=
eps all the information about data channels within a single m line.

I think Hadriel's proposal has some significant disadvantages:

1)      BUNDLE would need to be extended to add this new form of muxing, ju=
st to put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

2)      This approach requires WebRTC browsers to deal with tracking multip=
le m lines representing a single SCTP association; else the application has=
 to implement the BUNDLE extensions for data channels.

3)      It makes the gateway scenario simpler at the cost of complicating t=
he direct e2e scenario.

4)      It unnecessarily adds additional requirements on an important rtcwe=
b dependency (BUNDLE) to support this work.

There are some advantages to Hadriel's scheme (simplifies gateway scenarios=
, more closely resembles current SDP usage of sub-protocol attributes), but=
 the disadvantages seem more significant to me.

Comments, please?

Richard



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I had assumed the proposal was to make this draft-thing usable in SIP or =
other protocols, not just WebRTC.  True?  If not true, and this is only =
for WebRTC, then yeah do whatever and please ignore this email.

Technically SCTP is a transport, not a media type.  By having multiple =
sctp-based application/media types in the same m-line, it's semantically =
equivalent to putting audio+video in the same m-line.  Even your example =
SDP in the draft shows this, since MSRP is a "message" media type while =
one of the others is a "application" one.

To put this more concretely, pretend that we had standardized not only =
MSRP, BFCP, and T.38 fax to run over SCTP, but also video and audio too. =
 Maybe not real-time video, but rather TV-style streaming of video or =
whatever.  So now you'd have SDP with one m-line for "SCTP" with audio, =
video, message, and application types within it.

I'm ok if the group consensus is to do it anyway, but my point at the =
mic was to make this more obvious to people - that by doing this, SDP =
semantics are not being consistent.  I realize that consistency no =
longer matters at the altar of WebRTC expediency, but just thought it =
should be pointed out... if for no other reason than to have this stored =
in the email archives.

-hadriel


On Nov 6, 2013, at 11:54 PM, "Ejzak, Richard P (Richard)" =
<richard.ejzak@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:

> Please excuse this one-time cross-posting but I understand that this =
issue and the following drafts now move from dispatch to MMUSIC.  Please =
respond only on the MMUSIC list.
> =20
> draft-ejzak-dispatch-webrtc-data-channel-sdpneg-00.txt
> draft-ejzak-dispatch-msrp-data-channel-00.txt
>=20
> At the mike, Hadriel Kaplan proposed an alternative approach to the =
one I presented in dispatch yesterday (and in the first draft above), =
and I hope to get consensus on the list regarding which approach I =
should document going forward.
> =20
> Hadriel=92s proposal is to represent each data channel to be =
negotiated with SDP with its own m line and use BUNDLE to link them =
together onto a single SCTP association.  This is in contrast to the =
proposal in the draft that keeps all the information about data channels =
within a single m line.
> =20
> I think Hadriel=92s proposal has some significant disadvantages:
> 1)      BUNDLE would need to be extended to add this new form of =
muxing, just to put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
> 2)      This approach requires WebRTC browsers to deal with tracking =
multiple m lines representing a single SCTP association; else the =
application has to implement the BUNDLE extensions for data channels.
> 3)      It makes the gateway scenario simpler at the cost of =
complicating the direct e2e scenario.
> 4)      It unnecessarily adds additional requirements on an important =
rtcweb dependency (BUNDLE) to support this work.
> =20
> There are some advantages to Hadriel=92s scheme (simplifies gateway =
scenarios, more closely resembles current SDP usage of sub-protocol =
attributes), but the disadvantages seem more significant to me.
> =20
> Comments, please?
> =20
> Richard
> =20
> =20
> _______________________________________________
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> From: Andrew Allen <aallen@blackberry.com>

> Main question on the ABNF is whether the ABNF should be extensible
> to support additional NSS under the GSMA NID.  The concern seems to
> be that new NSS might be created without going through the IETF
> consensus process. The draft states that this process will be used
> for approval of any additional NSS.  My concern is if we remove
> extensibility from the ANF now does that create problems for parsers
> if new NSS are defined and approved in the future?

I think the question is whether any parser conforming to the current
version might be required to handle an extended form without rejecting
it.

For instance, if an entity is required to strictly validate a URN,
then it doesn't matter if the parser is able to handle future
extensions, because the validator would reject them anyway (as the
validator wasn't built to know how to validate the extended form).

On the other hand, any extended form would still be a syntactically
correct URN, so any entity that was handling them as generic URNs
would have no difficulty with extensions.

The problematic case is an entity which needs to handle "any IMEI
URN", but isn't expected to understand them in detail.

But on the whole, I favor providing some sort of generic syntax, so
the designers of entities are warned that their systems may need to
handle future extensions, and are warned of the syntactic extent of
those possible extensions.

Dale

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Hi Mary,
Thank you for your review.
I have added now your proposals to the draft.
Other comments please see below.

I hope now everything is OK.

Thank you and Best Regards

Roland

Von: Mary Barnes [mailto:mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Oktober 2013 17:27
An: Jesske, Roland
Cc: DISPATCH; Gonzalo Camarillo; Atle Monrad; Dean Willis
Betreff: PROTO Review: draft-drage-sipping-rfc3455bis-09.txt

In preparation for the PROTO write-up, I have reviewed the document in deta=
il.  My detailed review was originally based on the -08, but I also reviewe=
d the 09 diff.  There are a few errors that have been introduced in the -09=
 and many of my -08 comments remain - I've separated comments from nits bel=
ow.  A number of these comments are with regards to text that was not chang=
ed from RFC 3455, but I think some of the text requires updating and we nee=
d to keep in mind that this an entirely new IESG that will be reviewing thi=
s document, so they won't have the same context of the IESG that approved R=
FC 3455.  I will note that I also have not validated the content of section=
 9 against a diff of this document and RFC 3455.  I will need to do that be=
fore I progress the document unless the authors can point me to another rev=
iew that has done that.

Regards,
Mary.

Summary:  This document needs some work prior to being progressed.

Comments:
----------------
- Section 1.  I think you should be explicit that these extensions apply on=
ly to a private network - saying they are "generally not applicable" is too=
 soft, so I would suggest some minor rewording something like:
OLD:

   The SIP extensions specified in this document make certain

   assumptions regarding network topology, linkage between SIP and lower

   layers, and the availability of transitive trust.  These assumptions

   are generally NOT APPLICABLE in the Internet as a whole.


NEW:



   The SIP extensions specified in this document make certain

   assumptions regarding network topology, linkage between SIP and lower

   layers, and the availability of transitive trust.  These assumptions

   apply only to private networks and are not appropriate for use in an Int=
ernet environment.



- Section 3.  This section needs to be updated.  I don't think that 10 year=
 old background is relevant in the current context.   You should be able to=
 model this after the text in more recent 3GPP P-header documents, referrin=
g to the SIP change process.



[RJ] OK, I have changed the text:
The Third Generation Partnership Project (3GPP) has selected SIP as
     the protocol used to establish and tear down multimedia sessions in th=
e
     context of its IP Multimedia Subsystem (IMS). For more information on
     the IMS, a detailed description can be found in 3GPP TS 23.228 . This =
document is an update of RFC3455   which covers the requirements in RFC4083=
 and describes updates and adds private extensions to address those require=
ments which are needed in for 3GPP Release 11. Each extension, or set of re=
lated extensions is described in its own section below

- Section 4.1. "registered address-of-record" -> "registered SIP address-of=
-record"

- Section 4.1, 3rd paragraph.  "Note that, generally speaking," -> "Note th=
at in standard SIP usage [RFC3261]"

- Section 4.1.2.3.  I don't think this is stated properly.  I think the int=
ent is that this header is not applicable to proxies, therefore the proxy M=
UST relay the header field unchanged.  I would suggest rewording something =
like:

OLD:

   This memo does not define any procedure at the proxy.  The proxy does

   not add, read, modify or delete the header field, and therefore any

   proxy will relay this header field unchanged.

NEW:



   This header is not intended to be used by proxies - a proxy does

   not add, read, modify or delete the header field, and therefore any

   proxy MUST relay this header field unchanged.

Section 4.2, 1st paragraph.  The behavior in this sentence is not normative=
 from a SIP protocol perspective, thus MAY is not appropriate.  I suggest t=
he MAY be changed to "can".

   The UAS MAY use the information to render different distinctive audiovis=
ual alerting

   tones, depending on the URI used to receive the invitation to the

   session.

Section 4.2.2.2, 2nd paragraph.  The behavior in this sentence is not norma=
tive from a SIP protocol perspective, thus  I suggest the MAY be changed to=
 "can".



- Section 4.3.3, last paragraph.  I think this ought to be a MUST: "The ide=
ntifier should be globally unique.."



- Section 4.3.2.1.  This text has changed from the -08.   I don't know what=
 a "normal User Equipment" is and the term "User Equipment" is not defined =
in this specification.  I think it would be better to say something like. H=
owever, even with this proposed change, I think you also need text for user=
 agent server behavior - i.e., what would a UAS do if it received this head=
er.



OLD:

   A normal User Equipment has normally no knowledge of the P-Visited-

   Network-ID when sending the REGISTER.  Therefore user agent clients

   do not insert a P-Visited-Network-ID header field in any SIP message.

NEW:

   In the context of the network to which the header fields defined in this=
 document apply, a User Agent has no knowledge of the P-Visited-Network-ID =
when sending the REGISTER request.  Therefore user agent clients MUST NOT i=
nsert a P-Visited-Network-ID header field in any SIP message.



- Section 4.3.2.2<http://4.3.2.2>:, 2nd paragraph:  "home network MAY use" =
-> "home network can use"


- Section 4.3.2.2, last paragraph:



OLD: Note that a received P-Visited-Network-ID from a UA is a failure case =
and must be deleted.



NEW:  Note that a received P-Visited-Network-ID from a UA is a failure case=
 and MUST be deleted when the request is forwarded.



Section 4.4.2.1, 2nd paragraph:  "MUST trust the proxy" -> "MUST have a tru=
st relationship with the proxy"



Section 4.4.2.1, 3rd paragraph:  "there must also be a transitive trust" ->=
  "there MUST also be a transitive trust"

Section 4.4.2.2, 2nd paragraph: "MAY act upon any information present" -> "=
can act upon any information present",  "MAY use the call id" -> "can use t=
he call id"

Section 4.5.2: 2nd paragraph: "MAY use the hostnames" -> "can use the hostn=
ames"



Section 4.5.2.1 2nd paragraph: "MAY use the contents" -> "can use the conte=
nts"

- Section 4.6.2, 3rd paragraph: "MAY use the values" -> "can use the values=
"

- Section 4.6.3, 3rd paragraph: needs some editorial work.  Maybe the follo=
wing change would work:



OLD:

   Depending on the call scenario it is needed to add for each transit

   network either a transit network name or a void value.  Nevertheless

   it can not be guaranteed that all values will appear within the P-Chargi=
ng-Vector header field.

NEW:



   Depending on the call scenario, each transit network can add either a tr=
ansit network name or a void    value.  However, it can not be guaranteed t=
hat all the values that are added will appear within the P-Charging-Vector =
header field.



- Section 4.6.3, next to last paragraph: "which needs to be incremented" ->=
 "which MUST be incremented"



- Section 4.6.3, last paragraph.  I have no idea what that is trying to say=
 other than void values have no index.  What does "taken into consideration=
" mean. Are you talking about limits on the number of entries or are you su=
ggesting that the number of void values must be considered when setting the=
 index for the transit network names?



[RJ] Yes! Changed the text to:



A void value has no index. By adding the next value the index has to be inc=
remented by the number of void entries +1.



- Section 4.6.4.2<http://4.6.4.2>: I don't know what this means:  "A deleti=
on of the elements could appear depending on the network policy and trust r=
ules".  Is it just trying to say that along with the adding and modifying i=
n the previous sentence that the elements can also be deleted by the proxy?



[RJ] Yes, I have changed the text:
Procedures described within 4.6.2.2 apply. A transit-ioi MAY be
           added or modified by a proxy. A deletion of the transit-ioi or a=
 entry within the tranist-ioi could
           appear depending on the network policy and trust rules. This is

           also valid by replacing the transit-ioi with a void value.





- Section 5.7. Delete this text and table.   We aren't these tables anymore=
 as they really don't provide any useful information.  You just need to ver=
bally state what messages these headers can appear in.



[RJ] OK



So I changed 5.7 to "New header"
The P-Associated-URI can appear in SIP REGISTER method and 2xx resonses, P-=
Called-Party-ID can appear in SIP INVITE, OPTIONS, PUBLISH,SUBSCRIBE, MESSA=
GE methods and all responses, P-Visited-Network-ID can appear in all SIP me=
thods except ACK, BYE and CANCEL and all responses, P-Access-Network-Info c=
an appear in all SIP methods exept ACK and CANCEL, P-Charging-Vector  can a=
ppear in all SIP methods exept CANCEL and the P-Charging-Function-Addresses=
 can appear in all SIP methods exept ACK and CANCEL.





- Section 6.1: this needs some tighter wording.  What is meant by "potentia=
lly annoying"  for example?



[RJ] I do not know. This is original text. So I deleted the words.



- Section 6.2: I think you need to be more specific about the "nature" that=
 makes this header not of particular concern with regards to security. Does=
 it reveal additional, unique information about an individual that isn't av=
ailable in other headers.  Also, the 2nd paragraph needs some work - maybe =
something like:



OLD:

An eavesdropper may collect the list of identities a user is registered.  T=
his may have privacy implications.  To mitigate this problem, this extensio=
n SHOULD only be used in a secured environment, where encryption of SIP mes=
sages is provided either end-to-end or


hop-by-hop.



NEW:



 An eavesdropper could possibly collect the list of identities a user is re=
gistered.  This can have privacy implications.  To mitigate this problem, t=
his extension MUST only be used in a secured environment, where encryption =
of SIP messages is provided either end-to-end or hop-by-hop.



- Section 6.4,

--3rd paragraph: "should not" -> "MUST NOT"



-- 7th paragraph:  "SHOULD NOT be sent" -> "MUST NOT be sent"



-- 8th paragraph: "SHOULD NOT send sensitive information" -> "MUST NOT send=
 sensitive information"



-- 9th paragraph: "is required to delete" -> "is REQUIRED to delete"

-- 10th paragraph:  How does a network ensure the information is not of a s=
ensitive nature?   I would think that the information just should not be se=
nt outside of the trust domain.  I believe that's consistent with the scope=
 of these headers, is it not?



[RJ] Yes that is also my understanding so I deleted that paragraph. I think=
 the rest is sufficient and described well how to behave.



-- 11th paragraph: So, what does a proxy do with that information.  What ar=
e the implications if the information is used and it's not valid?

[RJ] Yes I did some changes as follows.


        <t>A proxy receiving a message containing the P-Access-Network-Info
       header field from a non-trusted entity is not able to guarantee the

       validity of the contents. Thus this content SHOULD be deleted based =
on local policy.</t>



- Section 9, item 2.  I think you need to add this text with regards to the=
 recommendation to use RFC 4244 (bis) to the body of this document and incl=
ude a real reference.



[RJ] OK done. I let the reference RFC4244 since 3GPP uses currently only RF=
C4244.

Replaced following text:

With section 9.2

       <t>Requirements for a more general solution are proposed in <xref

         target=3D"RFC4244"></xref>. 3GPP will continue to use the

         P-Called-Party-ID header field even though RFC 4244 <xref

         target=3D"RFC4244"></xref> has now been published.</t>



I think the text in Section 9.2 is better.

Nits:

- Section 4.1, 2nd paragraph.  "has associated to an address-of-record" -> =
"has associated with an address-of-record"

- Section 4.1.2.2, 2nd paragraph, "In case" -> "If",  "shall not" -> SHALL =
NOT

- Section 4.3.2.2, last sentence.  The -09 introduced a typo: "T means" -> =
"This means"



- Section 4.3.2.3, 1st paragraph after 1st example.  The -09 introduced ano=
ther typo: "the REGISTRAR" -> "at the REGISTRAR"



Section 4.2.2.1, 3rd paragraph:  "there must also be a transitive trust" ->=
  "there MUST also be a transitive trust"



Section 4.6, 2nd paragraph: "includes, includes but is not limited to" -> "=
includes, but is not limited to,"



Section 4.6.2.2, 1st paragraph: "one ore more" -> "one or more"






On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 11:58 AM, <R.Jesske@telekom.de<mailto:R.Jesske@telek=
om.de>> wrote:
Dear all,
I would like to inform you that I have implemented all comments coming from=
 the expert review done by Dean Willis. Also an editorial cleanup was made.

If there are still some comments that needs to be implemented please inform=
 me.

>From my side I would be happy to proceed the draft further towards publicat=
ion.

Thank you and Best Regards

Roland


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Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. Oktober 2013 13:40
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   Partnership Project (3GPP), along with their applicability, which is
   limited to particular environments.  The P-header fields are for a
   variety of purposes within the networks that the partners use,
   including charging and information about the networks a call
   traverses.




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lto:mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com] <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 29. Oktober =
2013 17:27<br><b>An:</b> Jesske, Roland<br><b>Cc:</b> DISPATCH; Gonzalo Cam=
arillo; Atle Monrad; Dean Willis<br><b>Betreff:</b> PROTO Review: draft-dra=
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l><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>In preparation for the PRO=
TO write-up, I have reviewed the document in detail. &nbsp;My detailed revi=
ew was originally based on the -08, but I also reviewed the 09 diff. &nbsp;=
There are a few errors that have been introduced in the -09 and many of my =
-08 comments remain - I've separated comments from nits below. &nbsp;A numb=
er of these comments are with regards to text that was not changed from RFC=
 3455, but I think some of the text requires updating and we need to keep i=
n mind that this an entirely new IESG that will be reviewing this document,=
 so they won't have the same context of the IESG that approved RFC 3455. &n=
bsp;I will note that I also have not validated the content of section 9 aga=
inst a diff of this document and RFC 3455. &nbsp;I will need to do that bef=
ore I progress the document unless the authors can point me to another revi=
ew that has done that.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal>Mary.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Summary: &nbsp;This docu=
ment needs some work prior to being progressed.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Com=
ments:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>----------------<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>- Section 1. &nbsp;I think you sho=
uld be explicit that these extensions apply only to a private network - say=
ing they are &quot;generally not applicable&quot; is too soft, so I would s=
uggest some minor rewording something like:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal>OLD:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-=
word;white-space:pre-wrap'><span style=3D'color:black'>=A0=A0 The SIP exten=
sions specified in this document make certain<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><=
span style=3D'color:black'>=A0=A0 assumptions regarding network topology, l=
inkage between SIP and lower<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style=3D'col=
or:black'>=A0=A0 layers, and the availability of transitive trust.=A0 These=
 assumptions<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style=3D'color:black'>=A0=A0=
 are generally NOT APPLICABLE in the Internet as a whole. <o:p></o:p></span=
></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap'><span style=
=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre></div><div><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal>NEW:&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word;white-=
space:pre-wrap'><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><=
pre><span style=3D'color:black'>=A0=A0 The SIP extensions specified in this=
 document make certain<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style=3D'color:bla=
ck'>=A0=A0 assumptions regarding network topology, linkage between SIP and =
lower<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style=3D'color:black'>=A0=A0 layers=
, and the availability of transitive trust.=A0 These assumptions<o:p></o:p>=
</span></pre><pre><span style=3D'color:black'>=A0=A0 apply only to private =
networks and are not appropriate for use in an&nbsp;Internet environment.<o=
:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wr=
ap'><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre style=3D=
'word-wrap:break-word'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>- S=
ection 3. &nbsp;This section needs to be updated. &nbsp;I don't think that =
10 year old background is relevant in the current context. &nbsp; You shoul=
d be able to model this after the text in more recent 3GPP P-header documen=
ts, referring to the SIP change process.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre>=
<span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1=
F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-=
size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>[RJ] OK, I ha=
ve changed the text:<o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D't=
ext-autospace:none'><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The Third Generation Partnership Pr=
oject (3GPP) has selected SIP as<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>=A0=A0=A0=A0 the protocol=
 used to establish and tear down multimedia sessions in the<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span lang=3DEN-US=
 style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
'>=A0=A0=A0=A0 context of its IP Multimedia Subsystem (IMS). For more infor=
mation on<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace=
:none'><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","=
sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>=A0=A0=A0=A0 the IMS, a detailed description can=
 be found in 3GPP TS 23.228 . This document is an update of RFC3455=A0 =A0w=
hich covers the requirements in RFC4083 and describes updates and adds priv=
ate extensions to address those requirements which are needed in for 3GPP R=
elease 11. Each extension, or set of related extensions is described in its=
 own section below<o:p></o:p></span></p><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'=
><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>- Section 4.1. &quot;regi=
stered address-of-record&quot; -&gt; &quot;registered SIP address-of-record=
&quot;</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><span sty=
le=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>- Section 4.1, 3rd paragraph. &nbsp=
;&quot;Note that, generally speaking,&quot; -&gt; &quot;Note that in standa=
rd SIP usage [RFC3261]&quot;</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap=
:break-word'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>- Section 4.1=
.2.3. &nbsp;I don't think this is stated properly. &nbsp;I think the intent=
 is that this header is not applicable to proxies, therefore the proxy MUST=
 relay the header field unchanged. &nbsp;I would suggest rewording somethin=
g like:</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><span st=
yle=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>OLD:&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></pre>=
<pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><span style=3D'color:black'>=A0=A0 This=
 memo does not define any procedure at the proxy.=A0 The proxy does<o:p></o=
:p></span></pre><pre><span style=3D'color:black'>=A0=A0 not add, read, modi=
fy or delete the header field, and therefore any<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pr=
e><span style=3D'color:black'>=A0=A0 proxy will relay this header field unc=
hanged.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><span st=
yle=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>NEW:</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre s=
tyle=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></pre><pre><span style=3D'color:black'>=A0=A0 This header is not int=
ended to be used by proxies - a proxy does<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><spa=
n style=3D'color:black'>=A0=A0 not add, read, modify or delete the header f=
ield, and therefore any<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style=3D'color:bl=
ack'>=A0=A0 proxy MUST relay this header field unchanged.<o:p></o:p></span>=
</pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap'><span style=
=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'>Section 4.2, 1st paragr=
aph. &nbsp;The behavior in this sentence is not normative from a SIP protoc=
ol perspective, thus MAY is not appropriate. &nbsp;I suggest the MAY be cha=
nged to &quot;can&quot;. &nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wra=
p'><span style=3D'color:black'>=A0=A0 The UAS MAY use the information to re=
nder different distinctive audiovisual alerting<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre=
><span style=3D'color:black'>=A0=A0 tones, depending on the URI used to rec=
eive the invitation to the<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style=3D'color=
:black'>=A0=A0 session.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:brea=
k-word'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'>Sect=
ion 4.2.2.2, 2nd paragraph. &nbsp;The behavior in this sentence is not norm=
ative from a SIP protocol perspective, thus &nbsp;I suggest the MAY be chan=
ged to &quot;can&quot;.&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></pre><pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word=
'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>- Section 4.3.3, last pa=
ragraph. &nbsp;I think this ought to be a MUST: &quot;The identifier should=
 be globally unique..&quot;&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><span style=3D'font-family:"A=
rial","sans-serif"'>- Section 4.3.2.1. &nbsp;This text has changed from the=
 -08. &nbsp; I don't know what a &quot;normal User Equipment&quot; is and t=
he term &quot;User Equipment&quot; is not defined in this specification. &n=
bsp;I think it would be better to say something like. However, even with th=
is proposed change, I think you also need text for user agent server behavi=
or - i.e., what would a UAS do if it received this header.&nbsp;</span><o:p=
></o:p></pre><pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word=
'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>OLD:</span><o:p></o:p></=
pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap'><span style=3D=
'color:black'>=A0=A0 A normal User Equipment has normally no knowledge of t=
he P-Visited-<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style=3D'color:black'>=A0=
=A0 Network-ID when sending the REGISTER.=A0 Therefore user agent clients<o=
:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style=3D'color:black'>=A0=A0 do not insert=
 a P-Visited-Network-ID header field in any SIP message.<o:p></o:p></span><=
/pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial"=
,"sans-serif"'>NEW:&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:br=
eak-word'><span style=3D'color:black'>=A0=A0 In the context of the network =
to which the header fields defined in this document apply, a User Agent has=
&nbsp;no knowledge of the P-Visited-Network-ID when sending the REGISTER re=
quest. &nbsp;Therefore user agent clients MUST NOT insert a P-Visited-Netwo=
rk-ID&nbsp;header field&nbsp;in any SIP message.</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pr=
e><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><span style=3D=
'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>- Section <a href=3D"http://=
4.3.2.2">4.3.2.2</a>:, 2nd paragraph: &nbsp;&quot;home network MAY use&quot=
; -&gt; &quot;home network can use&quot;</span><span style=3D'color:black'>=
<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word;white-sp=
ace:pre-wrap'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>=
- Section 4.3.2.2, last paragraph: &nbsp;</span><span style=3D'color:black'=
><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre=
-wrap'><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre><span=
 style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>OLD:</span><span st=
yle=3D'color:black'> Note that a received P-Visited-Network-ID from a UA is=
 a failure case and must be deleted.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style=3D'w=
ord-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap'><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-seri=
f";color:black'>NEW: &nbsp;</span><span style=3D'color:black'>Note that a r=
eceived P-Visited-Network-ID from a UA is a failure case and MUST be delete=
d when the request is forwarded. <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style=3D'word=
-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap'><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></pre><pre><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";=
color:#222222'>Section 4.4.2.1, 2nd paragraph: &nbsp;&quot;MUST trust the p=
roxy&quot; -&gt; &quot;MUST have a trust relationship with the proxy&quot;&=
nbsp;</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style=
=3D'word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap'><span style=3D'color:black'>=
<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans=
-serif";color:#222222'>Section 4.4.2.1, 3rd paragraph: &nbsp;&quot;there mu=
st also be a transitive trust&quot; -&gt; &nbsp;&quot;there MUST also be a =
transitive trust&quot;&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p><=
/span></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><span style=3D'font-family:=
"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'>Section 4.4.2.2, 2nd paragraph: &quot;M=
AY act upon any information present&quot; -&gt; &quot;can act upon any info=
rmation present&quot;, &nbsp;&quot;MAY use the call id&quot; -&gt; &quot;ca=
n use the&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>call=
 id&quot;&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'>=
<span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Section 4.5.2: 2nd paragra=
ph: &quot;MAY use the hostnames&quot; -&gt; &quot;can use the hostnames&quo=
t;&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></pre><pre><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Secti=
on 4.5.2.1 2nd paragraph: &quot;MAY use the contents&quot; -&gt; &quot;can =
use the&nbsp;contents&quot;&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'word=
-wrap:break-word'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>- Sectio=
n 4.6.2, 3rd paragraph: &quot;MAY use the values&quot; -&gt; &quot;can use =
the values&quot;&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break=
-word'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>- Section 4.6.3, 3r=
d paragraph: needs some editorial work. &nbsp;Maybe the following change wo=
uld work:&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'>=
<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"=
'>OLD:</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word;white-spac=
e:pre-wrap'><span style=3D'color:black'>=A0=A0 Depending on the call scenar=
io it is needed to add for each transit<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span s=
tyle=3D'color:black'>=A0=A0 network either a transit network name or a void=
 value. =A0Nevertheless<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style=3D'color:bl=
ack'>=A0=A0 it can not be guaranteed that all values will appear within the=
 P-Charging-Vector header field.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style=3D=
'word-wrap:break-word'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>NEW=
:&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap'><sp=
an style=3D'color:black'>=A0=A0 Depending on the call scenario, each transi=
t network can add either a transit network name&nbsp;or a void=A0=A0=A0 val=
ue.=A0 However, it can not be guaranteed that all the values that are added=
 will appear within the P-Charging-Vector header field.<o:p></o:p></span></=
pre><pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><span s=
tyle=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'>- Section 4.6.3, ne=
xt to last paragraph:&nbsp;&quot;which needs to be incremented&quot; -&gt; =
&quot;which MUST be incremented&quot;</span><span style=3D'color:#222222'><=
o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre style=3D'white-spac=
e:pre-wrap;word-wrap:break-word'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-s=
erif";color:#222222'>- Section 4.6.3, last paragraph. &nbsp;I have no idea =
what that is trying to say other than void values have no index. &nbsp;What=
 does &quot;taken into consideration&quot; mean. Are you talking about limi=
ts on the number of entries or are you suggesting that the number of void v=
alues must be considered when setting the index for the transit network nam=
es? &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font=
-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre=
><pre><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","s=
ans-serif";color:#1F497D'>[RJ] Yes! Changed the text to:<o:p></o:p></span><=
/pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri=
","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=
=3DEN-US style=3D'color:black;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>A void =
value has no index. By adding the next value the index has to be incremente=
d by the number of void entries +1.</span><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color=
:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D=
'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'>- Section </span><span sty=
le=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'><a href=3D"http://4.6=
.4.2"><span lang=3DEN-US>4.6.4.2</span></a></span><span lang=3DEN-US style=
=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'>: I don't know what thi=
s means:&nbsp;</span><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-=
serif"'>&nbsp;&quot;A deletion of the elements could appear depending on th=
e network policy and trust rules&quot;. &nbsp;</span><span style=3D'font-fa=
mily:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Is it just trying to say that along with the add=
ing and modifying in the previous sentence that the elements can also be de=
leted by the proxy?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style=3D'font-s=
ize:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>[RJ] Yes, I have changed the text:=
<o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'>=
<span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-se=
rif";color:#1F497D'>Procedures described within 4.6.2.2 apply. A transit-io=
i MAY be<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:=
none'><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","s=
ans-serif";color:#1F497D'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 added or modified =
by a proxy. A deletion of the transit-ioi or a entry within the tranist-ioi=
 could<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:no=
ne'><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","san=
s-serif";color:#1F497D'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 appear depending on =
the network policy and trust rules. This is<o:p></o:p></span></p><pre><span=
 lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";=
color:#1F497D'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 also valid by replacing the t=
ransit-ioi with a void value.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-U=
S style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><span style=3D'font-family:=
"Arial","sans-serif"'>- Section 5.7. Delete this text and table. &nbsp; We =
aren't these tables anymore as they really don't provide any useful informa=
tion. &nbsp;You just need to verbally state what messages these headers can=
 appear in.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style=3D'font-size:11.0=
pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></pre><pre><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-se=
rif";color:#1F497D'>[RJ] OK<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style=3D'font=
-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-fa=
mily:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So I changed 5.7 to &#8220;New h=
eader&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-auto=
space:none'><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:black;background:white;mso-hi=
ghlight:white'>The P-Associated-URI can appear in SIP REGISTER method and 2=
xx resonses, P-Called-Party-ID can appear in SIP INVITE, OPTIONS, PUBLISH,S=
UBSCRIBE, MESSAGE methods and all responses, P-Visited-Network-ID can appea=
r in all SIP methods except ACK, BYE and CANCEL and all responses, P-Access=
-Network-Info can appear in all SIP methods exept ACK and CANCEL, P-Chargin=
g-Vector=A0 can appear in all SIP methods exept CANCEL and the P-Charging-F=
unction-Addresses can appear in all SIP methods exept ACK and CANCEL.<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p><pre><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre=
><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:b=
reak-word'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>- Section 6.1: =
this needs some tighter wording. &nbsp;What is meant by &quot;potentially a=
nnoying&quot; &nbsp;for example? &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span s=
tyle=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>=
<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11=
.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>[RJ] I do not know. =
This is original text. So I deleted the words.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/pre><pre><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>- Section 6.2: I=
 think you need to be more specific about the &quot;nature&quot; that makes=
 this header not of particular concern with regards to security. Does it re=
veal additional, unique information about an individual that isn't availabl=
e in other headers. &nbsp;Also, the 2nd paragraph needs some work - maybe s=
omething like:</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre styl=
e=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'=
>OLD:</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word;white-space=
:pre-wrap'><span style=3D'color:black'>An eavesdropper may collect the list=
 of identities a user is registered.=A0 This may have privacy implications.=
=A0 To mitigate this problem, this extension SHOULD only be used in a secur=
ed environment, where encryption of SIP messages is provided either end-to-=
end or<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style=3D'color:black'>hop-=
by-hop.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><s=
pan style=3D'color:black'>=A0 &nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'w=
ord-wrap:break-word'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>NEW:&=
nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre style=3D'word=
-wrap:break-word'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</=
span><span style=3D'color:black'>An eavesdropper could possibly collect the=
 list of identities a user is registered.=A0 This can have privacy implicat=
ions.=A0 To mitigate this problem, this extension MUST only be used in a se=
cured environment, where encryption of SIP messages is provided either end-=
to-end or hop-by-hop.&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",=
"sans-serif"'>- Section 6.4,&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'wor=
d-wrap:break-word'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>--3rd p=
aragraph: &quot;should not&quot; -&gt; &quot;MUST NOT&quot;&nbsp;</span><o:=
p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-wor=
d'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-- 7th paragraph: &nbsp=
;&quot;SHOULD NOT be sent&quot; -&gt; &quot;MUST NOT be sent&quot;&nbsp;</s=
pan><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/pre><pre><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-- 8th paragraph=
: &quot;SHOULD NOT send sensitive information&quot; -&gt; &quot;MUST NOT se=
nd sensitive information&quot;</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'word-wr=
ap:break-word'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre><span style=3D'font-family:"Aria=
l","sans-serif"'>-- 9th paragraph: &quot;is required to delete&quot; -&gt; =
&quot;is REQUIRED to delete&quot;&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=
=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>=
-- 10th paragraph: &nbsp;How does a network ensure the information is not o=
f a sensitive nature? &nbsp; I would think that the information just should=
 not be sent outside of the trust domain. &nbsp;I believe that's consistent=
 with the scope of these headers, is it not?<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F4=
97D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-si=
ze:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>[RJ] Yes that i=
s also my understanding so I deleted that paragraph. I think the rest is su=
fficient and described well how to behave.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><spa=
n lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"=
;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break=
-word'><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-- 11t=
h paragraph: So, what does a proxy do with that information. &nbsp;</span><=
span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>What are the implications i=
f the information is used and it's not valid? &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></pre=
><pre><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","s=
ans-serif";color:#1F497D'>[RJ] Yes I did some changes as follows.<o:p></o:p=
></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family=
:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'fo=
nt-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;t&gt;A proxy receiving a message containing the P-Access-N=
etwork-Info<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospa=
ce:none'><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri"=
,"sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 header field from a non-tru=
sted entity is not able to guarantee the<o:p></o:p></span></p><pre><span la=
ng=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";col=
or:#1F497D'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 validity of the contents. Thus this content =
SHOULD be deleted based on local policy.&lt;/t&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></pre><=
pre><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre style=3D'word-wra=
p:break-word'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>- Section 9,=
 item 2. &nbsp;I think you need to add this text with regards to the recomm=
endation to use RFC 4244 (bis) to the body of this document and include a r=
eal reference.</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0=
pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>[RJ] OK done. I let th=
e reference RFC4244 since 3GPP uses currently only RFC4244. <o:p></o:p></sp=
an></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Replaced following text:<o:p></o:p></span=
></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calib=
ri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>With section 9.2<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pr=
e><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-=
serif";color:#1F497D'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;t&gt;Requirements for a more g=
eneral solution are proposed in &lt;xref<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";c=
olor:#1F497D'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 target=3D&quot;RFC4244&quot;&gt;&lt;=
/xref&gt;. 3GPP will continue to use the<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";c=
olor:#1F497D'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 P-Called-Party-ID header field even =
though RFC 4244 &lt;xref<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US sty=
le=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 target=3D&quot;RFC4244&quot;&gt;&lt;/xref&gt; has =
now been published.&lt;/t&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-U=
S style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size=
:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think the text =
in Section 9.2 is better.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:br=
eak-word;white-space:pre-wrap'><u><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-=
serif";color:#222222'>Nits:</span></u><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:=
p></span></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap'><sp=
an style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'>- Section 4.1, =
2nd paragraph. &nbsp;&quot;has associated to an address-of-record&quot; -&g=
t; &quot;has associated with an address-of-record&quot;</span><span style=
=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word=
;white-space:pre-wrap'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";colo=
r:#222222'>- Section 4.1.2.2, 2nd paragraph, &quot;In case&quot; -&gt; &quo=
t;If&quot;, &nbsp;&quot;shall not&quot; -&gt; SHALL NOT</span><span style=
=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word=
;white-space:pre-wrap'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";colo=
r:black'>- Section 4.3.2.2, last sentence. &nbsp;The -09 introduced a typo:=
 &quot;T means&quot; -&gt; &quot;This means&quot;&nbsp;</span><span style=
=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style=3D'color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word;white-space=
:pre-wrap'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>- S=
ection 4.3.2.3, 1st paragraph after 1st example. &nbsp;The -09 introduced a=
nother typo: &quot;the REGISTRAR&quot; -&gt; &quot;at the REGISTRAR&quot;</=
span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style=
=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:brea=
k-word;white-space:pre-wrap'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif=
";color:#222222'>Section 4.2.2.1, 3rd paragraph: &nbsp;&quot;there must als=
o be a transitive trust&quot; -&gt; &nbsp;&quot;there MUST also be a transi=
tive trust&quot;&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</pre><pre><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre s=
tyle=3D'word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap'><span style=3D'font-fami=
ly:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'>Section 4.6, 2nd paragraph: &quot;in=
cludes, includes but is not limited to&quot; -&gt; &quot;includes, but is n=
ot limited to,&quot;&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></pre><pre><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><p=
re style=3D'word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap'><span style=3D'font-=
family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'>Section 4.6.2.2, 1st paragraph: =
&quot;one ore more&quot; -&gt; &quot;one or more&quot;&nbsp;</span><span st=
yle=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style=3D'color:black=
'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre style=3D'word-wrap:break-word;white-sp=
ace:pre-wrap'><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pr=
e style=3D'word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap'><span style=3D'color:=
black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>O=
n Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 11:58 AM, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:R.Jesske@telekom.de" =
target=3D"_blank">R.Jesske@telekom.de</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Dear all,<br>I would like to in=
form you that I have implemented all comments coming from the expert review=
 done by Dean Willis. Also an editorial cleanup was made.<br><br>If there a=
re still some comments that needs to be implemented please inform me.<br><b=
r>From my side I would be happy to proceed the draft further towards public=
ation.<br><br>Thank you and Best Regards<br><br>Roland<br><br><br>-----Ursp=
r=FCngliche Nachricht-----<br>Von: <a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.o=
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o:internet-drafts@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a>]=
<br>Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. Oktober 2013 13:40<br>An: Christer Holmberg; Kei=
th Drage; Jesske, Roland<br>Betreff: New Version Notification for draft-dra=
ge-sipping-rfc3455bis-09.txt<br><br><br>A new version of I-D, draft-drage-s=
ipping-rfc3455bis-09.txt<br>has been successfully submitted by Keith Drage =
and posted to the IETF repository.<br><br>Filename: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &n=
bsp;draft-drage-sipping-rfc3455bis<br>Revision: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;=
09<br>Title: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Private Header (P-Header) E=
xtensions to the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) for the 3rd-Generation P=
artnership Project (3GPP)<br>Creation date: &nbsp; 2013-10-08<br>Group: &nb=
sp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Individual Submission<br>Number of pages: 4=
7<br>URL: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <a href=3D"http://www.i=
etf.org/internet-drafts/draft-drage-sipping-rfc3455bis-09.txt" target=3D"_b=
lank">http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-drage-sipping-rfc3455bis-09=
.txt</a><br>Status: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<a href=3D"http://dat=
atracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-drage-sipping-rfc3455bis" target=3D"_blank">htt=
p://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-drage-sipping-rfc3455bis</a><br>Htmlized=
: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dr=
age-sipping-rfc3455bis-09" target=3D"_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/dra=
ft-drage-sipping-rfc3455bis-09</a><br>Diff: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nb=
sp; &nbsp;<a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-drage-sipping=
-rfc3455bis-09" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-=
drage-sipping-rfc3455bis-09</a><br><br>Abstract:<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;This docum=
ent describes a set of private Session Initiation Protocol<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;=
(SIP) header fields (P-headers) used by the 3rd-Generation<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;=
Partnership Project (3GPP), along with their applicability, which is<br>&nb=
sp; &nbsp;limited to particular environments. &nbsp;The P-header fields are=
 for a<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;variety of purposes within the networks that the par=
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Revised versions of draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn  and draft-allen-dispatc=
h-imei-urn-as-instanceid have been submitted.

They can be found at:

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn-18.txt

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instan=
ceid-12.txt

along with the diffs from the previous versions at:


http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn-18


http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instanc=
eid-12

The main changes are as follows:

draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn:
The  ABNF has been updated to include the ability to extend the IMEI value =
format in the future (as previously stated in the text) while allowing a pa=
rser compliant with the current version of the specification to still valid=
ate the URN.

draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instanceid
The Emergency Access Transfer Function has been mentioned in the Emergency =
Session transfer Use case.

Various NITS have also been addressed.

Please provide any comments as soon as possible. I understand that the AD p=
lans to make another IETF Last Call on these soon.

Thanks
Andrew

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">along with the diffs from the previous versions at:<=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The main changes are as follows:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The &nbsp;ABNF has been updated to include the abili=
ty to extend the IMEI value format in the future (as previously stated in t=
he text) while allowing a parser compliant with the current version of the =
specification to still validate the URN.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instanceid <o:p></o=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
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One comment on this.

I see the syntax has been extended. The extension has introduced an 
ambiguity:

          imei-specifier = "imei:" ( imeival / ext-imei )
                                           [ ";" sw-version-param ]
                                           [ ";" imei-version-param ]
          ext-imei = gsma-defined-nonempty-string ;GSMA defined
                                                  ;and IETF
                                                  ;consensus
                                                  ;required
...
          gsma-defined-nonempty-string = 1*gsma-urn-char
          gsma-urn-char  = ALPHA / DIGIT
                          / "-" / "." / "_" / "%"/":"/";"/"="

ext-imei may contain a semicolon, and then following that a semicolon 
may also be used to initiate parameters.

	Thanks,
	Paul

On 11/21/13 9:56 AM, Andrew Allen wrote:
> Revised versions of draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn  and
> draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instanceid have been submitted.
>
> They can be found at:
>
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn-18.txt
>
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instanceid-12.txt
>
> along with the diffs from the previous versions at:
>
> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn-18
>
> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instanceid-12
>
> The main changes are as follows:
>
> draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn:
>
> The  ABNF has been updated to include the ability to extend the IMEI
> value format in the future (as previously stated in the text) while
> allowing a parser compliant with the current version of the
> specification to still validate the URN.
>
> draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instanceid
>
> The Emergency Access Transfer Function has been mentioned in the
> Emergency Session transfer Use case.
>
> Various NITS have also been addressed.
>
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Hi,

for your convenience, here you have check the diffs between the versions
that were IETF LCed and the current versions of the drafts:

http://tools.ietf.org//rfcdiff?url1=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn-16.txt&url2=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn-18.txt

http://tools.ietf.org//rfcdiff?url1=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instanceid-10.txt&url2=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instanceid-12.txt

Cheers,

Gonzalo

On 21/11/2013 6:56 PM, Andrew Allen wrote:
> Revised versions of draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn  and
> draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instanceid have been submitted.
> 
>  
> 
> They can be found at:
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn-18.txt
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instanceid-12.txt
> 
>  
> 
> along with the diffs from the previous versions at:
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn-18
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instanceid-12
> 
>  
> 
> The main changes are as follows:
> 
>  
> 
> draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn:
> 
> The  ABNF has been updated to include the ability to extend the IMEI
> value format in the future (as previously stated in the text) while
> allowing a parser compliant with the current version of the
> specification to still validate the URN.
> 
>  
> 
> draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instanceid
> 
> The Emergency Access Transfer Function has been mentioned in the
> Emergency Session transfer Use case.
> 
>  
> 
> Various NITS have also been addressed.
> 
>  
> 
> Please provide any comments as soon as possible. I understand that the
> AD plans to make another IETF Last Call on these soon.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Andrew
> 
>  
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Hi Paul,

thanks for the comment. Andrew will try and address it as an IETF LC
once the new IETF LC on the draft is over.

Cheers,

Gonzalo

On 21/11/2013 9:15 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:
> One comment on this.
> 
> I see the syntax has been extended. The extension has introduced an
> ambiguity:
> 
>          imei-specifier = "imei:" ( imeival / ext-imei )
>                                           [ ";" sw-version-param ]
>                                           [ ";" imei-version-param ]
>          ext-imei = gsma-defined-nonempty-string ;GSMA defined
>                                                  ;and IETF
>                                                  ;consensus
>                                                  ;required
> ...
>          gsma-defined-nonempty-string = 1*gsma-urn-char
>          gsma-urn-char  = ALPHA / DIGIT
>                          / "-" / "." / "_" / "%"/":"/";"/"="
> 
> ext-imei may contain a semicolon, and then following that a semicolon
> may also be used to initiate parameters.
> 
>     Thanks,
>     Paul
> 
> On 11/21/13 9:56 AM, Andrew Allen wrote:
>> Revised versions of draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn  and
>> draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instanceid have been submitted.
>>
>> They can be found at:
>>
>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn-18.txt
>>
>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instanceid-12.txt
>>
>>
>> along with the diffs from the previous versions at:
>>
>> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn-18
>>
>> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instanceid-12
>>
>>
>> The main changes are as follows:
>>
>> draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn:
>>
>> The  ABNF has been updated to include the ability to extend the IMEI
>> value format in the future (as previously stated in the text) while
>> allowing a parser compliant with the current version of the
>> specification to still validate the URN.
>>
>> draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instanceid
>>
>> The Emergency Access Transfer Function has been mentioned in the
>> Emergency Session transfer Use case.
>>
>> Various NITS have also been addressed.
>>
>> Please provide any comments as soon as possible. I understand that the
>> AD plans to make another IETF Last Call on these soon.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Andrew
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On 11/25/13 7:18 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> thanks for the comment. Andrew will try and address it as an IETF LC
> once the new IETF LC on the draft is over.

OK. Note that this is more than editorial. To fix it, either the ";" 
must be excluded as an alternative, or quoting or escaping will need to 
be introduced.

	Thanks,
	Paul

> Cheers,
>
> Gonzalo
>
> On 21/11/2013 9:15 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:
>> One comment on this.
>>
>> I see the syntax has been extended. The extension has introduced an
>> ambiguity:
>>
>>           imei-specifier = "imei:" ( imeival / ext-imei )
>>                                            [ ";" sw-version-param ]
>>                                            [ ";" imei-version-param ]
>>           ext-imei = gsma-defined-nonempty-string ;GSMA defined
>>                                                   ;and IETF
>>                                                   ;consensus
>>                                                   ;required
>> ...
>>           gsma-defined-nonempty-string = 1*gsma-urn-char
>>           gsma-urn-char  = ALPHA / DIGIT
>>                           / "-" / "." / "_" / "%"/":"/";"/"="
>>
>> ext-imei may contain a semicolon, and then following that a semicolon
>> may also be used to initiate parameters.
>>
>>      Thanks,
>>      Paul
>>
>> On 11/21/13 9:56 AM, Andrew Allen wrote:
>>> Revised versions of draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn  and
>>> draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instanceid have been submitted.
>>>
>>> They can be found at:
>>>
>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn-18.txt
>>>
>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instanceid-12.txt
>>>
>>>
>>> along with the diffs from the previous versions at:
>>>
>>> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn-18
>>>
>>> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instanceid-12
>>>
>>>
>>> The main changes are as follows:
>>>
>>> draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn:
>>>
>>> The  ABNF has been updated to include the ability to extend the IMEI
>>> value format in the future (as previously stated in the text) while
>>> allowing a parser compliant with the current version of the
>>> specification to still validate the URN.
>>>
>>> draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instanceid
>>>
>>> The Emergency Access Transfer Function has been mentioned in the
>>> Emergency Session transfer Use case.
>>>
>>> Various NITS have also been addressed.
>>>
>>> Please provide any comments as soon as possible. I understand that the
>>> AD plans to make another IETF Last Call on these soon.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
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Paul

I propose to change the ABNF to not allow ";" as an ext-imei character


Andrew

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On 11/25/13 7:18 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> thanks for the comment. Andrew will try and address it as an IETF LC =

> once the new IETF LC on the draft is over.

OK. Note that this is more than editorial. To fix it, either the ";" =

must be excluded as an alternative, or quoting or escaping will need to be =
introduced.

	Thanks,
	Paul

> Cheers,
>
> Gonzalo
>
> On 21/11/2013 9:15 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:
>> One comment on this.
>>
>> I see the syntax has been extended. The extension has introduced an
>> ambiguity:
>>
>>           imei-specifier =3D "imei:" ( imeival / ext-imei )
>>                                            [ ";" sw-version-param ]
>>                                            [ ";" imei-version-param ]
>>           ext-imei =3D gsma-defined-nonempty-string ;GSMA defined
>>                                                   ;and IETF
>>                                                   ;consensus
>>                                                   ;required ...
>>           gsma-defined-nonempty-string =3D 1*gsma-urn-char
>>           gsma-urn-char  =3D ALPHA / DIGIT
>>                           / "-" / "." / "_" / "%"/":"/";"/"=3D"
>>
>> ext-imei may contain a semicolon, and then following that a semicolon =

>> may also be used to initiate parameters.
>>
>>      Thanks,
>>      Paul
>>
>> On 11/21/13 9:56 AM, Andrew Allen wrote:
>>> Revised versions of draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn  and =

>>> draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instanceid have been submitted.
>>>
>>> They can be found at:
>>>
>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn-1
>>> 8.txt
>>>
>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as
>>> -instanceid-12.txt
>>>
>>>
>>> along with the diffs from the previous versions at:
>>>
>>> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn-18
>>>
>>> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-in
>>> stanceid-12
>>>
>>>
>>> The main changes are as follows:
>>>
>>> draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn:
>>>
>>> The  ABNF has been updated to include the ability to extend the IMEI =

>>> value format in the future (as previously stated in the text) while =

>>> allowing a parser compliant with the current version of the =

>>> specification to still validate the URN.
>>>
>>> draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instanceid
>>>
>>> The Emergency Access Transfer Function has been mentioned in the =

>>> Emergency Session transfer Use case.
>>>
>>> Various NITS have also been addressed.
>>>
>>> Please provide any comments as soon as possible. I understand that =

>>> the AD plans to make another IETF Last Call on these soon.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
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On 11/25/13 9:18 AM, Andrew Allen wrote:
> Paul
>
> I propose to change the ABNF to not allow ";" as an ext-imei character

OK. If that works for you it works for me.

	Thanks,
	Paul

> Andrew
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> On 11/25/13 7:18 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> thanks for the comment. Andrew will try and address it as an IETF LC
>> once the new IETF LC on the draft is over.
>
> OK. Note that this is more than editorial. To fix it, either the ";"
> must be excluded as an alternative, or quoting or escaping will need to be introduced.
>
> 	Thanks,
> 	Paul
>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Gonzalo
>>
>> On 21/11/2013 9:15 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:
>>> One comment on this.
>>>
>>> I see the syntax has been extended. The extension has introduced an
>>> ambiguity:
>>>
>>>            imei-specifier = "imei:" ( imeival / ext-imei )
>>>                                             [ ";" sw-version-param ]
>>>                                             [ ";" imei-version-param ]
>>>            ext-imei = gsma-defined-nonempty-string ;GSMA defined
>>>                                                    ;and IETF
>>>                                                    ;consensus
>>>                                                    ;required ...
>>>            gsma-defined-nonempty-string = 1*gsma-urn-char
>>>            gsma-urn-char  = ALPHA / DIGIT
>>>                            / "-" / "." / "_" / "%"/":"/";"/"="
>>>
>>> ext-imei may contain a semicolon, and then following that a semicolon
>>> may also be used to initiate parameters.
>>>
>>>       Thanks,
>>>       Paul
>>>
>>> On 11/21/13 9:56 AM, Andrew Allen wrote:
>>>> Revised versions of draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn  and
>>>> draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instanceid have been submitted.
>>>>
>>>> They can be found at:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn-1
>>>> 8.txt
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as
>>>> -instanceid-12.txt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> along with the diffs from the previous versions at:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn-18
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-in
>>>> stanceid-12
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The main changes are as follows:
>>>>
>>>> draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn:
>>>>
>>>> The  ABNF has been updated to include the ability to extend the IMEI
>>>> value format in the future (as previously stated in the text) while
>>>> allowing a parser compliant with the current version of the
>>>> specification to still validate the URN.
>>>>
>>>> draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instanceid
>>>>
>>>> The Emergency Access Transfer Function has been mentioned in the
>>>> Emergency Session transfer Use case.
>>>>
>>>> Various NITS have also been addressed.
>>>>
>>>> Please provide any comments as soon as possible. I understand that
>>>> the AD plans to make another IETF Last Call on these soon.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
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Hi,



I am ok with the change, BUT keep in mind that it would prevent a future-gs=
ma-specifier from having semicolon separated parameters.



One option would be to separate any possible parameters from future-gsma-sp=
ecifier.



Something like:



future-gsma-specifier =3D future-specifier [ ";" future-params]

future-specifier =3D gsma-defined-nonempty-string

future-params =3D generic-param (...or, whatever syntax you want to use for=
 parameters)





As an editorial comment, I would suggest to remove "-string" from gsma-defi=
ned-nonempty-string and software-version-string, as they are not quoted str=
ing values.





Regards,



Christer

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Subject: Re: [dispatch] draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn-18

On 11/25/13 9:18 AM, Andrew Allen wrote:
> Paul
>
> I propose to change the ABNF to not allow ";" as an ext-imei character

OK. If that works for you it works for me.

        Thanks,
        Paul

> Andrew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dispatch [mailto:dispatch-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Paul Kyziv=
at
> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:51 AM
> To: Gonzalo Camarillo; dispatch@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [dispatch] draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn-18
>
> On 11/25/13 7:18 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> thanks for the comment. Andrew will try and address it as an IETF LC
>> once the new IETF LC on the draft is over.
>
> OK. Note that this is more than editorial. To fix it, either the ";"
> must be excluded as an alternative, or quoting or escaping will need to b=
e introduced.
>
>        Thanks,
>        Paul
>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Gonzalo
>>
>> On 21/11/2013 9:15 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:
>>> One comment on this.
>>>
>>> I see the syntax has been extended. The extension has introduced an
>>> ambiguity:
>>>
>>>            imei-specifier =3D "imei:" ( imeival / ext-imei )
>>>                                             [ ";" sw-version-param ]
>>>                                             [ ";" imei-version-param ]
>>>            ext-imei =3D gsma-defined-nonempty-string ;GSMA defined
>>>                                                    ;and IETF
>>>                                                    ;consensus
>>>                                                    ;required ...
>>>            gsma-defined-nonempty-string =3D 1*gsma-urn-char
>>>            gsma-urn-char  =3D ALPHA / DIGIT
>>>                            / "-" / "." / "_" / "%"/":"/";"/"=3D"
>>>
>>> ext-imei may contain a semicolon, and then following that a semicolon
>>> may also be used to initiate parameters.
>>>
>>>       Thanks,
>>>       Paul
>>>
>>> On 11/21/13 9:56 AM, Andrew Allen wrote:
>>>> Revised versions of draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn  and
>>>> draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instanceid have been submitted.
>>>>
>>>> They can be found at:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn-1
>>>> 8.txt
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as
>>>> -instanceid-12.txt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> along with the diffs from the previous versions at:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn-18
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-in
>>>> stanceid-12
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The main changes are as follows:
>>>>
>>>> draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn:
>>>>
>>>> The  ABNF has been updated to include the ability to extend the IMEI
>>>> value format in the future (as previously stated in the text) while
>>>> allowing a parser compliant with the current version of the
>>>> specification to still validate the URN.
>>>>
>>>> draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instanceid
>>>>
>>>> The Emergency Access Transfer Function has been mentioned in the
>>>> Emergency Session transfer Use case.
>>>>
>>>> Various NITS have also been addressed.
>>>>
>>>> Please provide any comments as soon as possible. I understand that
>>>> the AD plans to make another IETF Last Call on these soon.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I am ok with the change, BUT keep in mind that it would prevent a future=
-gsma-specifier from having&nbsp;semicolon separated parameters.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>One option would be to separate any possible parameters from future-gsma=
-specifier.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Something like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>future-gsma-specifier =3D future-specifier [ &quot;;&quot; future-params=
]</p>
<p>future-specifier =3D gsma-defined-nonempty-string</p>
<p>future-params =3D generic-param (...or, whatever syntax you want to use =
for parameters)</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>As an editorial comment, I would suggest to remove &quot;-string&quot; f=
rom gsma-defined-nonempty-string and software-version-string, as they are n=
ot quoted string values.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Christer</p>
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<div class=3D"PlainText">On 11/25/13 9:18 AM, Andrew Allen wrote:<br>
&gt; Paul<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I propose to change the ABNF to not allow &quot;;&quot; as an ext-imei=
 character<br>
<br>
OK. If that works for you it works for me.<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Paul<br>
<br>
&gt; Andrew<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: dispatch [<a href=3D"mailto:dispatch-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D=
"_blank">mailto:dispatch-bounces@ietf.org</a>] On Behalf Of Paul Kyzivat<br=
>
&gt; Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:51 AM<br>
&gt; To: Gonzalo Camarillo; dispatch@ietf.org<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [dispatch] draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn-18<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 11/25/13 7:18 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; Hi Paul,<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; thanks for the comment. Andrew will try and address it as an IETF =
LC<br>
&gt;&gt; once the new IETF LC on the draft is over.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; OK. Note that this is more than editorial. To fix it, either the &quot=
;;&quot;<br>
&gt; must be excluded as an alternative, or quoting or escaping will need t=
o be introduced.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks,<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Paul<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Cheers,<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Gonzalo<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On 21/11/2013 9:15 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; One comment on this.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; I see the syntax has been extended. The extension has introduc=
ed an<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; ambiguity:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp; imei-specifier =3D &quot;imei:&quot; ( imeival / ext-imei )<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
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sp; gsma-urn-char&nbsp; =3D ALPHA / DIGIT<br>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; / &quot;-&quot; / &quot;.&quot; / &quot;_&quot; / =
&quot;%&quot;/&quot;:&quot;/&quot;;&quot;/&quot;=3D&quot;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; ext-imei may contain a semicolon, and then following that a se=
micolon<br>
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&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks,<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Paul<br>
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&gt;&gt;&gt; On 11/21/13 9:56 AM, Andrew Allen wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Revised versions of draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn&nbsp; a=
nd<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-instanceid have been subm=
itted.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; They can be found at:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-monte=
murro-gsma-imei-urn-1" target=3D"_blank">
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn-1</a><br=
>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 8.txt<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-allen=
-dispatch-imei-urn-as" target=3D"_blank">
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as</a><br=
>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; -instanceid-12.txt<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; along with the diffs from the previous versions at:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-montem=
urro-gsma-imei-urn-18" target=3D"_blank">
http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn-18</a><br=
>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-allen-=
dispatch-imei-urn-as-in" target=3D"_blank">
http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-allen-dispatch-imei-urn-as-in</a><=
br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; stanceid-12<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The main changes are as follows:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The&nbsp; ABNF has been updated to include the ability to =
extend the IMEI<br>
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xt) while<br>
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e<br>
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Hi Roland,

Thanks for your response.  Additional comments below [MB].

Thanks,
Mary.


On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:21 AM, <R.Jesske@telekom.de> wrote:

> Hi Mary,
>
> Thank you for your review.
>
> I have added now your proposals to the draft.
>
> Other comments please see below.
>
>
>
> I hope now everything is OK.
>
>
>
> Thank you and Best Regards
>
>
>
> Roland
>
>
>
> *Von:* Mary Barnes [mailto:mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com]
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 29. Oktober 2013 17:27
> *An:* Jesske, Roland
> *Cc:* DISPATCH; Gonzalo Camarillo; Atle Monrad; Dean Willis
> *Betreff:* PROTO Review: draft-drage-sipping-rfc3455bis-09.txt
>
>
>
> In preparation for the PROTO write-up, I have reviewed the document in
> detail.  My detailed review was originally based on the -08, but I also
> reviewed the 09 diff.  There are a few errors that have been introduced i=
n
> the -09 and many of my -08 comments remain - I've separated comments from
> nits below.  A number of these comments are with regards to text that was
> not changed from RFC 3455, but I think some of the text requires updating
> and we need to keep in mind that this an entirely new IESG that will be
> reviewing this document, so they won't have the same context of the IESG
> that approved RFC 3455.  I will note that I also have not validated the
> content of section 9 against a diff of this document and RFC 3455.  I wil=
l
> need to do that before I progress the document unless the authors can poi=
nt
> me to another review that has done that.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Mary.
>
>
>
> Summary:  This document needs some work prior to being progressed.
>
>
>
> Comments:
>
> ----------------
>
> - Section 1.  I think you should be explicit that these extensions apply
> only to a private network - saying they are "generally not applicable" is
> too soft, so I would suggest some minor rewording something like:
>
> OLD:
>
>    The SIP extensions specified in this document make certain
>
>    assumptions regarding network topology, linkage between SIP and lower
>
>    layers, and the availability of transitive trust.  These assumptions
>
>    are generally NOT APPLICABLE in the Internet as a whole.
>
>
>
> NEW:
>
>
>
>    The SIP extensions specified in this document make certain
>
>    assumptions regarding network topology, linkage between SIP and lower
>
>    layers, and the availability of transitive trust.  These assumptions
>
>    apply only to private networks and are not appropriate for use in an I=
nternet environment.
>
>
>
> - Section 3.  This section needs to be updated.  I don't think that 10 ye=
ar old background is relevant in the current context.   You should be able =
to model this after the text in more recent 3GPP P-header documents, referr=
ing to the SIP change process.
>
>
>
> [RJ] OK, I have changed the text:
>
> The Third Generation Partnership Project (3GPP) has selected SIP as
>
>      the protocol used to establish and tear down multimedia sessions in
> the
>
>      context of its IP Multimedia Subsystem (IMS). For more information o=
n
>
>      the IMS, a detailed description can be found in 3GPP TS 23.228 . Thi=
s
> document is an update of RFC3455   which covers the requirements in RFC40=
83
> and describes updates and adds private extensions to address those
> requirements which are needed in for 3GPP Release 11. Each extension, or
> set of related extensions is described in its own section below
>
[MB] I suggest just a bit more rewording.  Note that I didn't see that this
document is adding any new headers

    The Third Generation Partnership Project (3GPP) uses SIP as

     the protocol  to establish and tear down multimedia sessions in the

     context of its IP Multimedia Subsystem (IMS), as described in

     the 3GPP TS 23.228 specification.

     RFC 3455 defines SIP private header extensions (referred to as
P-headers) which are

     required by the 3GPP specification. Note that the requirements for
these extensions

     are documented in RFC 4083.   This document is an update to RFC3455.

     This document updates existing P-header descriptions

     to address additional requirements which are needed for 3GPP Release
11.

     Each of the P-headers is described in the sections below.

[/MB]


> - Section 4.1. "registered address-of-record" -> "registered SIP address-=
of-record"
>
> - Section 4.1, 3rd paragraph.  "Note that, generally speaking," -> "Note =
that in standard SIP usage [RFC3261]"
>
> - Section 4.1.2.3.  I don't think this is stated properly.  I think the i=
ntent is that this header is not applicable to proxies, therefore the proxy=
 MUST relay the header field unchanged.  I would suggest rewording somethin=
g like:
>
> OLD:
>
>    This memo does not define any procedure at the proxy.  The proxy does
>
>    not add, read, modify or delete the header field, and therefore any
>
>    proxy will relay this header field unchanged.
>
> NEW:
>
>
>
>    This header is not intended to be used by proxies - a proxy does
>
>    not add, read, modify or delete the header field, and therefore any
>
>    proxy MUST relay this header field unchanged.
>
> Section 4.2, 1st paragraph.  The behavior in this sentence is not normati=
ve from a SIP protocol perspective, thus MAY is not appropriate.  I suggest=
 the MAY be changed to "can".
>
>    The UAS MAY use the information to render different distinctive audiov=
isual alerting
>
>    tones, depending on the URI used to receive the invitation to the
>
>    session.
>
> Section 4.2.2.2, 2nd paragraph.  The behavior in this sentence is not nor=
mative from a SIP protocol perspective, thus  I suggest the MAY be changed =
to "can".
>
>
>
> - Section 4.3.3, last paragraph.  I think this ought to be a MUST: "The i=
dentifier should be globally unique.."
>
>
>
> - Section 4.3.2.1.  This text has changed from the -08.   I don't know wh=
at a "normal User Equipment" is and the term "User Equipment" is not define=
d in this specification.  I think it would be better to say something like.=
 However, even with this proposed change, I think you also need text for us=
er agent server behavior - i.e., what would a UAS do if it received this he=
ader.
>
>
>
> OLD:
>
>    A normal User Equipment has normally no knowledge of the P-Visited-
>
>    Network-ID when sending the REGISTER.  Therefore user agent clients
>
>    do not insert a P-Visited-Network-ID header field in any SIP message.
>
> NEW:
>
>    In the context of the network to which the header fields defined in th=
is document apply, a User Agent has no knowledge of the P-Visited-Network-I=
D when sending the REGISTER request.  Therefore user agent clients MUST NOT=
 insert a P-Visited-Network-ID header field in any SIP message.
>
>
>
> - Section 4.3.2.2:, 2nd paragraph:  "home network MAY use" -> "home netwo=
rk can use"
>
> - Section 4.3.2.2, last paragraph:
>
>
>
> OLD: Note that a received P-Visited-Network-ID from a UA is a failure cas=
e and must be deleted.
>
>
>
> NEW:  Note that a received P-Visited-Network-ID from a UA is a failure ca=
se and MUST be deleted when the request is forwarded.
>
>
>
> Section 4.4.2.1, 2nd paragraph:  "MUST trust the proxy" -> "MUST have a t=
rust relationship with the proxy"
>
>
>
> Section 4.4.2.1, 3rd paragraph:  "there must also be a transitive trust" =
->  "there MUST also be a transitive trust"
>
> Section 4.4.2.2, 2nd paragraph: "MAY act upon any information present" ->=
 "can act upon any information present",  "MAY use the call id" -> "can use=
 the call id"
>
> Section 4.5.2: 2nd paragraph: "MAY use the hostnames" -> "can use the hos=
tnames"
>
>
>
> Section 4.5.2.1 2nd paragraph: "MAY use the contents" -> "can use the con=
tents"
>
> - Section 4.6.2, 3rd paragraph: "MAY use the values" -> "can use the valu=
es"
>
> - Section 4.6.3, 3rd paragraph: needs some editorial work.  Maybe the fol=
lowing change would work:
>
>
>
> OLD:
>
>    Depending on the call scenario it is needed to add for each transit
>
>    network either a transit network name or a void value.  Nevertheless
>
>    it can not be guaranteed that all values will appear within the P-Char=
ging-Vector header field.
>
> NEW:
>
>
>
>    Depending on the call scenario, each transit network can add either a =
transit network name or a void    value.  However, it can not be guaranteed=
 that all the values that are added will appear within the P-Charging-Vecto=
r header field.
>
>
>
> - Section 4.6.3, next to last paragraph: "which needs to be incremented" =
-> "which MUST be incremented"
>
>
>
> - Section 4.6.3, last paragraph.  I have no idea what that is trying to s=
ay other than void values have no index.  What does "taken into considerati=
on" mean. Are you talking about limits on the number of entries or are you =
suggesting that the number of void values must be considered when setting t=
he index for the transit network names?
>
>
>
> [RJ] Yes! Changed the text to:
>
>
>
> A void value has no index. By adding the next value the index has to be i=
ncremented by the number of void entries +1.
>
>
>
> - Section 4.6.4.2: I don't know what this means:  "A deletion of the elem=
ents could appear depending on the network policy and trust rules".  Is it =
just trying to say that along with the adding and modifying in the previous=
 sentence that the elements can also be deleted by the proxy?
>
>
>
> [RJ] Yes, I have changed the text:
>
> Procedures described within 4.6.2.2 apply. A transit-ioi MAY be
>
>            added or modified by a proxy. A deletion of the transit-ioi or
> a entry within the tranist-ioi could
>
>            appear depending on the network policy and trust rules. This i=
s
>
>            also valid by replacing the transit-ioi with a void value.
>
>
>
>
>
> - Section 5.7. Delete this text and table.   We aren't these tables anymo=
re as they really don't provide any useful information.  You just need to v=
erbally state what messages these headers can appear in.
>
>
>
> [RJ] OK
>
>
>
> So I changed 5.7 to =93New header=94
>
> The P-Associated-URI can appear in SIP REGISTER method and 2xx resonses,
> P-Called-Party-ID can appear in SIP INVITE, OPTIONS, PUBLISH,SUBSCRIBE,
> MESSAGE methods and all responses, P-Visited-Network-ID can appear in all
> SIP methods except ACK, BYE and CANCEL and all responses,
> P-Access-Network-Info can appear in all SIP methods exept ACK and CANCEL,
> P-Charging-Vector  can appear in all SIP methods exept CANCEL and the
> P-Charging-Function-Addresses can appear in all SIP methods exept ACK and
> CANCEL.
>
[MB] I suggest you put each of these in separate sentences - i.e., rather
than use comma separators, use a period.  You should also spell out that
these are header fields - i.e., "The P-Associated-URI header field can
appear....2xx responses.   The P-Called-Party-ID header field....

>
>
>
>
> - Section 6.1: this needs some tighter wording.  What is meant by "potent=
ially annoying"  for example?
>
>
>
> [RJ] I do not know. This is original text. So I deleted the words.
>
>
>
> - Section 6.2: I think you need to be more specific about the "nature" th=
at makes this header not of particular concern with regards to security. Do=
es it reveal additional, unique information about an individual that isn't =
available in other headers.  Also, the 2nd paragraph needs some work - mayb=
e something like:
>
>
>
> OLD:
>
> An eavesdropper may collect the list of identities a user is registered. =
 This may have privacy implications.  To mitigate this problem, this extens=
ion SHOULD only be used in a secured environment, where encryption of SIP m=
essages is provided either end-to-end or
>
> hop-by-hop.
>
>
>
> NEW:
>
>
>
>  An eavesdropper could possibly collect the list of identities a user is =
registered.  This can have privacy implications.  To mitigate this problem,=
 this extension MUST only be used in a secured environment, where encryptio=
n of SIP messages is provided either end-to-end or hop-by-hop.
>
>
[MB]  So, I think the first sentence is trying to say: "An eavesdropper
could possibly collect the list of identities a user has registered."
or  "An eavesdropper could possibly collect the list of identities
registered by a user."
[/MB]

> - Section 6.4,
>
> --3rd paragraph: "should not" -> "MUST NOT"
>
>
>
> -- 7th paragraph:  "SHOULD NOT be sent" -> "MUST NOT be sent"
>
>
>
> -- 8th paragraph: "SHOULD NOT send sensitive information" -> "MUST NOT se=
nd sensitive information"
>
>
>
> -- 9th paragraph: "is required to delete" -> "is REQUIRED to delete"
>
> -- 10th paragraph:  How does a network ensure the information is not of a=
 sensitive nature?   I would think that the information just should not be =
sent outside of the trust domain.  I believe that's consistent with the sco=
pe of these headers, is it not?
>
>
>
> [RJ] Yes that is also my understanding so I deleted that paragraph. I thi=
nk the rest is sufficient and described well how to behave.
>
>
>
> -- 11th paragraph: So, what does a proxy do with that information.  What =
are the implications if the information is used and it's not valid?
>
> [RJ] Yes I did some changes as follows.
>
>
>
>         <t>A proxy receiving a message containing the P-Access-Network-In=
fo
>
>        header field from a non-trusted entity is not able to guarantee th=
e
>
>        validity of the contents. Thus this content SHOULD be deleted base=
d on local policy.</t>
>
>
>
> - Section 9, item 2.  I think you need to add this text with regards to t=
he recommendation to use RFC 4244 (bis) to the body of this document and in=
clude a real reference.
>
>
>
> [RJ] OK done. I let the reference RFC4244 since 3GPP uses currently only =
RFC4244.
>
> Replaced following text:
>
> With section 9.2
>
>        <t>Requirements for a more general solution are proposed in <xref
>
>          target=3D"RFC4244"></xref>. 3GPP will continue to use the
>
>          P-Called-Party-ID header field even though RFC 4244 <xref
>
>          target=3D"RFC4244"></xref> has now been published.</t>
>
>
>
> I think the text in Section 9.2 is better.
>
> *Nits:*
>
> - Section 4.1, 2nd paragraph.  "has associated to an address-of-record" -=
> "has associated with an address-of-record"
>
> - Section 4.1.2.2, 2nd paragraph, "In case" -> "If",  "shall not" -> SHAL=
L NOT
>
> - Section 4.3.2.2, last sentence.  The -09 introduced a typo: "T means" -=
> "This means"
>
>
>
> - Section 4.3.2.3, 1st paragraph after 1st example.  The -09 introduced a=
nother typo: "the REGISTRAR" -> "at the REGISTRAR"
>
>
>
> Section 4.2.2.1, 3rd paragraph:  "there must also be a transitive trust" =
->  "there MUST also be a transitive trust"
>
>
>
> Section 4.6, 2nd paragraph: "includes, includes but is not limited to" ->=
 "includes, but is not limited to,"
>
>
>
> Section 4.6.2.2, 1st paragraph: "one ore more" -> "one or more"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 11:58 AM, <R.Jesske@telekom.de> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
> I would like to inform you that I have implemented all comments coming
> from the expert review done by Dean Willis. Also an editorial cleanup was
> made.
>
> If there are still some comments that needs to be implemented please
> inform me.
>
> From my side I would be happy to proceed the draft further towards
> publication.
>
> Thank you and Best Regards
>
> Roland
>
>
> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. Oktober 2013 13:40
> An: Christer Holmberg; Keith Drage; Jesske, Roland
> Betreff: New Version Notification for draft-drage-sipping-rfc3455bis-09.t=
xt
>
>
> A new version of I-D, draft-drage-sipping-rfc3455bis-09.txt
> has been successfully submitted by Keith Drage and posted to the IETF
> repository.
>
> Filename:        draft-drage-sipping-rfc3455bis
> Revision:        09
> Title:           Private Header (P-Header) Extensions to the Session
> Initiation Protocol (SIP) for the 3rd-Generation Partnership Project (3GP=
P)
> Creation date:   2013-10-08
> Group:           Individual Submission
> Number of pages: 47
> URL:
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-drage-sipping-rfc3455bis-09.txt
> Status:
> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-drage-sipping-rfc3455bis
> Htmlized:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-drage-sipping-rfc3455bis-09
> Diff:
> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-drage-sipping-rfc3455bis-09
>
> Abstract:
>    This document describes a set of private Session Initiation Protocol
>    (SIP) header fields (P-headers) used by the 3rd-Generation
>    Partnership Project (3GPP), along with their applicability, which is
>    limited to particular environments.  The P-header fields are for a
>    variety of purposes within the networks that the partners use,
>    including charging and information about the networks a call
>    traverses.
>
>
>
>
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
> submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at
> tools.ietf.org.
>
> The IETF Secretariat
>
>   -
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Roland,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for your response. =
=A0Additional comments below [MB].</div><div><br></div><div style>Thanks,</=
div><div style>Mary.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote">
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:21 AM,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:R=
.Jesske@telekom.de" target=3D"_blank">R.Jesske@telekom.de</a>&gt;</span> wr=
ote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style=
:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"DE" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-seri=
f;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hi Mary,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-=
serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thank you for your review.<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-fa=
mily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I have added now your proposa=
ls to the draft.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb=
(31,73,125)">Other comments please see below.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-fa=
mily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-fam=
ily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I hope now everything is OK.<u=
></u><u></u></span></p>
<div class=3D"im"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font=
-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=A0<=
u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-=
size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thank you an=
d Best Regards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-fa=
mily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-fam=
ily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Roland<u></u><u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-fa=
mily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p><=
/div><div style=3D"border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border=
-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,=
sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma=
,sans-serif"> Mary Barnes [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.=
com" target=3D"_blank">mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 29. Oktober 2013 17:27<br><b>An:</b> Jesske, Rol=
and<br><b>Cc:</b> DISPATCH; Gonzalo Camarillo; Atle Monrad; Dean Willis<br>=
<b>Betreff:</b> PROTO Review: draft-drage-sipping-rfc3455bis-09.txt<u></u><=
u></u></span></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p><div><div class=3D"im"><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal">In preparation for the PROTO write-up, I have reviewed=
 the document in detail. =A0My detailed review was originally based on the =
-08, but I also reviewed the 09 diff. =A0There are a few errors that have b=
een introduced in the -09 and many of my -08 comments remain - I&#39;ve sep=
arated comments from nits below. =A0A number of these comments are with reg=
ards to text that was not changed from RFC 3455, but I think some of the te=
xt requires updating and we need to keep in mind that this an entirely new =
IESG that will be reviewing this document, so they won&#39;t have the same =
context of the IESG that approved RFC 3455. =A0I will note that I also have=
 not validated the content of section 9 against a diff of this document and=
 RFC 3455. =A0I will need to do that before I progress the document unless =
the authors can point me to another review that has done that.<u></u><u></u=
></p>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">Regards,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Mary.<u=
></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p></di=
v></div>
<div><div class=3D"im"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Summary: =A0This document nee=
ds some work prior to being progressed.=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Comme=
nts:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">----------------<u></u><u></u></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">- Section 1. =A0I think you should be explicit t=
hat these extensions apply only to a private network - saying they are &quo=
t;generally not applicable&quot; is too soft, so I would suggest some minor=
 rewording something like:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">OLD:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><pre sty=
le=3D"word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style>=A0=A0 The SIP=
 extensions specified in this document make certain<u></u><u></u></span></p=
re><pre>
<span style>=A0=A0 assumptions regarding network topology, linkage between =
SIP and lower<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span style>=A0=A0 layers, and=
 the availability of transitive trust.=A0 These assumptions<u></u><u></u></=
span></pre>
<pre><span style>=A0=A0 are generally NOT APPLICABLE in the Internet as a w=
hole. <u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;white-s=
pace:pre-wrap"><span style><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></pre></div></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">
NEW:=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><div class=3D"im"><pre style=3D"word-wrap:bre=
ak-word;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></pre><pr=
e><span style>=A0=A0 The SIP extensions specified in this document make cer=
tain<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style>=A0=A0 assumptions regarding network topology, linkage bet=
ween SIP and lower<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span style>=A0=A0 layers=
, and the availability of transitive trust.=A0 These assumptions<u></u><u><=
/u></span></pre>
<pre><span style>=A0=A0 apply only to private networks and are not appropri=
ate for use in an=A0Internet environment.<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre st=
yle=3D"word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style><u></u>=A0<u>=
</u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-s=
erif">- Section 3. =A0This section needs to be updated. =A0I don&#39;t thin=
k that 10 year old background is relevant in the current context. =A0 You s=
hould be able to model this after the text in more recent 3GPP P-header doc=
uments, referring to the SIP change process.=A0<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb=
(31,73,125)"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></pre></div><pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)=
">[RJ] OK, I have changed the text:<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"=
>The Third Generation Partnership Project (3GPP) has selected SIP as<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"=
>=A0=A0=A0=A0 the protocol used to establish and tear down multimedia sessi=
ons in the<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"=
>=A0=A0=A0=A0 context of its IP Multimedia Subsystem (IMS). For more inform=
ation on<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"=
>=A0=A0=A0=A0 the IMS, a detailed description can be found in 3GPP TS 23.22=
8 . This document is an update of RFC3455=A0 =A0which covers the requiremen=
ts in RFC4083 and describes updates and adds private extensions to address =
those requirements which are needed in for 3GPP Release 11. Each extension,=
 or set of related extensions is described in its own section below</span><=
/p>
</div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div style>[MB] I suggest =
just a bit more rewording. =A0Note that I didn&#39;t see that this document=
 is adding any new headers=A0</div><div style><br></div><div style><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif=
;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=A0 =A0 The Third Generation Partnership Project (3G=
PP) uses SIP as<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb=
(31,73,125)">=A0=A0=A0=A0 the protocol =A0to establish and tear down multim=
edia sessions in the<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-fa=
mily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=A0=A0=A0=A0 context of its I=
P Multimedia Subsystem (IMS), as described in=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif=
;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=A0 =A0 =A0the 3GPP TS 23.228 specification.=A0</spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:=
11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=A0 =A0 =A0RFC 34=
55 defines SIP private header extensions (referred to as P-headers) which a=
re=A0</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=A0 =A0 =A0required by =
the 3GPP specification. Note that the requirements for these extensions</sp=
an></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style>
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif=
;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=A0 =A0 =A0are documented in RFC 4083. =A0=A0</span>=
<span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:11pt">This document is an update to RFC3455.=A0</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-fa=
mily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=A0 =A0 =A0This document upda=
tes existing P-header</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family=
:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">=A0descriptions=A0</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Cali=
bri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">=A0 =A0 =A0to address additional requirement=
s which are needed for 3GPP Release 11.=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
 style><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;f=
ont-size:11pt">=A0 =A0 =A0Each of the P-headers is described in the section=
s below.</span></p>
</div><div style><br></div><div style>[/MB]=A0</div><div>=A0</div><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-widt=
h:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex">
<div lang=3D"DE" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><div><div><div><div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><=
u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div><div class=3D"h5"><pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:Arial,sans-serif">- Section 4.1. &quot;registered address-of-rec=
ord&quot; -&gt; &quot;registered SIP address-of-record&quot;</span><u></u><=
u></u></pre>
<pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-s=
erif">- Section 4.1, 3rd paragraph. =A0&quot;Note that, generally speaking,=
&quot; -&gt; &quot;Note that in standard SIP usage [RFC3261]&quot;</span><u=
></u><u></u></pre>
<pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-s=
erif">- Section 4.1.2.3. =A0I don&#39;t think this is stated properly. =A0I=
 think the intent is that this header is not applicable to proxies, therefo=
re the proxy MUST relay the header field unchanged. =A0I would suggest rewo=
rding something like:</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-s=
erif">OLD:=A0</span><u></u><u></u></pre><pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"=
><span style>=A0=A0 This memo does not define any procedure at the proxy.=
=A0 The proxy does<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style>=A0=A0 not add, read, modify or delete the header field, a=
nd therefore any<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span style>=A0=A0 proxy wi=
ll relay this header field unchanged.<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre style=
=3D"word-wrap:break-word">
<span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">NEW:</span><u></u><u></u></pre=
><pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span style><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></=
pre><pre><span style>=A0=A0 This header is not intended to be used by proxi=
es - a proxy does<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style>=A0=A0 not add, read, modify or delete the header field, a=
nd therefore any<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span style>=A0=A0 proxy MU=
ST relay this header field unchanged.<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre style=
=3D"word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap">
<span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Section 4.=
2, 1st paragraph. =A0The behavior in this sentence is not normative from a =
SIP protocol perspective, thus MAY is not appropriate. =A0I suggest the MAY=
 be changed to &quot;can&quot;. =A0=A0</span><span style><u></u><u></u></sp=
an></pre>
<pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style>=A0=A0=
 The UAS MAY use the information to render different distinctive audiovisua=
l alerting<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span style>=A0=A0 tones, dependi=
ng on the URI used to receive the invitation to the<u></u><u></u></span></p=
re>
<pre><span style>=A0=A0 session.<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre style=3D"wo=
rd-wrap:break-word"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(3=
4,34,34)">Section 4.2.2.2, 2nd paragraph. =A0The behavior in this sentence =
is not normative from a SIP protocol perspective, thus =A0I suggest the MAY=
 be changed to &quot;can&quot;.=A0</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span><=
/pre>
<pre><u></u>=A0<u></u></pre><pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span style=
=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">- Section 4.3.3, last paragraph. =A0I thi=
nk this ought to be a MUST: &quot;The identifier should be globally unique.=
.&quot;=A0</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre><u></u>=A0<u></u></pre><pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span style=
=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">- Section 4.3.2.1. =A0This text has chang=
ed from the -08. =A0 I don&#39;t know what a &quot;normal User Equipment&qu=
ot; is and the term &quot;User Equipment&quot; is not defined in this speci=
fication. =A0I think it would be better to say something like. However, eve=
n with this proposed change, I think you also need text for user agent serv=
er behavior - i.e., what would a UAS do if it received this header.=A0</spa=
n><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre><u></u>=A0<u></u></pre><pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span style=
=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">OLD:</span><u></u><u></u></pre><pre style=
=3D"word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style>=A0=A0 A normal =
User Equipment has normally no knowledge of the P-Visited-<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></pre>
<pre><span style>=A0=A0 Network-ID when sending the REGISTER.=A0 Therefore =
user agent clients<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span style>=A0=A0 do not=
 insert a P-Visited-Network-ID header field in any SIP message.<u></u><u></=
u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-s=
erif">NEW:=A0</span><u></u><u></u></pre><pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"=
><span style>=A0=A0 In the context of the network to which the header field=
s defined in this document apply, a User Agent has=A0no knowledge of the P-=
Visited-Network-ID when sending the REGISTER request. =A0Therefore user age=
nt clients MUST NOT insert a P-Visited-Network-ID=A0header field=A0in any S=
IP message.</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre><u></u>=A0<u></u></pre><pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span style=
=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">- Section <a href=3D"http://4.3.2.2" targ=
et=3D"_blank">4.3.2.2</a>:, 2nd paragraph: =A0&quot;home network MAY use&qu=
ot; -&gt; &quot;home network can use&quot;</span><span style><br>
<br><u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;white-spa=
ce:pre-wrap"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">- Section 4.3.2.2=
, last paragraph: =A0</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre sty=
le=3D"word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap">
<span style><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></pre><pre><span style=3D"font-family:A=
rial,sans-serif">OLD:</span><span style> Note that a received P-Visited-Net=
work-ID from a UA is a failure case and must be deleted.<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></pre>
<pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style><u></u=
>=A0<u></u></span></pre><pre><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">N=
EW: =A0</span><span style>Note that a received P-Visited-Network-ID from a =
UA is a failure case and MUST be deleted when the request is forwarded. <u>=
</u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style><u></u=
>=A0<u></u></span></pre><pre><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;co=
lor:rgb(34,34,34)">Section 4.4.2.1, 2nd paragraph: =A0&quot;MUST trust the =
proxy&quot; -&gt; &quot;MUST have a trust relationship with the proxy&quot;=
=A0</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style><u></u=
>=A0<u></u></span></pre><pre><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;co=
lor:rgb(34,34,34)">Section 4.4.2.1, 3rd paragraph: =A0&quot;there must also=
 be a transitive trust&quot; -&gt; =A0&quot;there MUST also be a transitive=
 trust&quot;=A0</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-s=
erif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Section 4.4.2.2, 2nd paragraph: &quot;MAY act upo=
n any information present&quot; -&gt; &quot;can act upon any information pr=
esent&quot;, =A0&quot;MAY use the call id&quot; -&gt; &quot;can use the=A0<=
/span><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">call id&quot;=A0</span><=
u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-s=
erif">Section 4.5.2: 2nd paragraph: &quot;MAY use the hostnames&quot; -&gt;=
 &quot;can use the hostnames&quot;=A0</span><u></u><u></u></pre><pre style=
=3D"word-wrap:break-word">
<u></u>=A0<u></u></pre><pre><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Se=
ction 4.5.2.1 2nd paragraph: &quot;MAY use the contents&quot; -&gt; &quot;c=
an use the=A0contents&quot;=A0</span><u></u><u></u></pre></div></div><pre s=
tyle=3D"word-wrap:break-word">
<span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">- Section 4.6.2, 3rd paragraph=
: &quot;MAY use the values&quot; -&gt; &quot;can use the values&quot;=A0</s=
pan><u></u><u></u></pre><div class=3D"im"><pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-wor=
d"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">- Section 4.6.3, 3rd paragr=
aph: needs some editorial work. =A0Maybe the following change would work:=
=A0</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><u></u>=A0<u></u></pre><pre><span style=
=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">OLD:</span><u></u><u></u></pre><pre style=
=3D"word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style>=A0=A0 Depending=
 on the call scenario it is needed to add for each transit<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></pre>
<pre><span style>=A0=A0 network either a transit network name or a void val=
ue. =A0Nevertheless<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span style>=A0=A0 it ca=
n not be guaranteed that all values will appear within the P-Charging-Vecto=
r header field.=A0<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-s=
erif">NEW:=A0</span><u></u><u></u></pre><pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"=
><u></u>=A0<u></u></pre><pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-=
wrap"><span style>=A0=A0 Depending on the call scenario, each transit netwo=
rk can add either a transit network name=A0or a void=A0=A0=A0 value.=A0 How=
ever, it can not be guaranteed that all the values that are added will appe=
ar within the P-Charging-Vector header field.<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><u></u>=A0<u></u></pre><pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span style=
=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">- Section 4.6.3, next=
 to last paragraph:=A0&quot;which needs to be incremented&quot; -&gt; &quot=
;which MUST be incremented&quot;</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)">=
<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><u></u>=A0<u></u></pre><pre style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap;word-wrap:br=
eak-word"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">=
- Section 4.6.3, last paragraph. =A0I have no idea what that is trying to s=
ay other than void values have no index. =A0What does &quot;taken into cons=
ideration&quot; mean. Are you talking about limits on the number of entries=
 or are you suggesting that the number of void values must be considered wh=
en setting the index for the transit network names? =A0<u></u><u></u></span=
></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb=
(31,73,125)"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></pre></div><pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)=
">[RJ] Yes! Changed the text to:<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-=
serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"background-color:white">A void value has no index. By a=
dding the next value the index has to be incremented by the number of void =
entries +1.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<div class=3D"im"><pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-fa=
mily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></pre=
><pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">- Section </span><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><a href=3D"http://4.6.4.2"=
 target=3D"_blank"><span lang=3D"EN-US">4.6.4.2</span></a></span><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">: I d=
on&#39;t know what this means:=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-=
family:Arial,sans-serif">=A0&quot;A deletion of the elements could appear d=
epending on the network policy and trust rules&quot;. =A0</span><span style=
=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Is it just trying to say that along with =
the adding and modifying in the previous sentence that the elements can als=
o be deleted by the proxy?=A0<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb=
(31,73,125)"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></pre></div><pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)=
">[RJ] Yes, I have changed the text:<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"=
>Procedures described within 4.6.2.2 apply. A transit-ioi MAY be<u></u><u><=
/u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"=
>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 added or modified by a proxy. A deletion of=
 the transit-ioi or a entry within the tranist-ioi could<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"=
>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 appear depending on the network policy and =
trust rules. This is<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-=
serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 also valid by re=
placing the transit-ioi with a void value.<u></u><u></u></span></pre><div c=
lass=3D"im"><pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:C=
alibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></pre><pre style=3D"word-=
wrap:break-word"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">- Section 5.7=
. Delete this text and table. =A0 We aren&#39;t these tables anymore as the=
y really don&#39;t provide any useful information. =A0You just need to verb=
ally state what messages these headers can appear in.=A0<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb=
(31,73,125)"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></pre></div><pre><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">[RJ] OK<u></u=
><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb=
(31,73,125)"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">So =
I changed 5.7 to =93New header=94<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"background-color:white">The P-Associated-URI can appear in SIP REGI=
STER method and 2xx resonses, P-Called-Party-ID can appear in SIP INVITE, O=
PTIONS, PUBLISH,SUBSCRIBE, MESSAGE methods and all responses, P-Visited-Net=
work-ID can appear in all SIP methods except ACK, BYE and CANCEL and all re=
sponses, P-Access-Network-Info can appear in all SIP methods exept ACK and =
CANCEL, P-Charging-Vector=A0 can appear in all SIP methods exept CANCEL and=
 the P-Charging-Function-Addresses can appear in all SIP methods exept ACK =
and CANCEL.</span></p>
</div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div style>[MB] I suggest =
you put each of these in separate sentences - i.e., rather than use comma s=
eparators, use a period. =A0You should also spell out that these are header=
 fields - i.e., &quot;The P-Associated-URI header field can appear....2xx r=
esponses. =A0 The P-Called-Party-ID header field....</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"DE" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><div>=
<div><div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-=
US" style=3D"background-color:white"><u></u><u></u></span></p><div class=3D=
"im"><pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,=
sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></pre><pre style=3D"word-=
wrap:break-word"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">- Section 6.1=
: this needs some tighter wording. =A0What is meant by &quot;potentially an=
noying&quot; =A0for example? =A0<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb=
(31,73,125)"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></pre></div><pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)=
">[RJ] I do not know. This is original text. So I deleted the words.<u></u>=
<u></u></span></pre>
<div class=3D"im"><pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=
<u></u>=A0<u></u></span></pre><pre><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-se=
rif">- Section 6.2: I think you need to be more specific about the &quot;na=
ture&quot; that makes this header not of particular concern with regards to=
 security. Does it reveal additional, unique information about an individua=
l that isn&#39;t available in other headers. =A0Also, the 2nd paragraph nee=
ds some work - maybe something like:</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre><u></u>=A0<u></u></pre><pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span style=
=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">OLD:</span><u></u><u></u></pre><pre style=
=3D"word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style>An eavesdropper =
may collect the list of identities a user is registered.=A0 This may have p=
rivacy implications.=A0 To mitigate this problem, this extension SHOULD onl=
y be used in a secured environment, where encryption of SIP messages is pro=
vided either end-to-end or<br>
<br><u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span style>hop-by-hop.=A0<u></u><u></u=
></span></pre><pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span style>=A0 =A0</span=
><u></u><u></u></pre><pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:Arial,sans-serif">NEW:=A0</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre><u></u>=A0<u></u></pre><pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span style=
=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=A0</span><span style>An eavesdropper cou=
ld possibly collect the list of identities a user is registered.=A0 This ca=
n have privacy implications.=A0 To mitigate this problem, this extension MU=
ST only be used in a secured environment, where encryption of SIP messages =
is provided either end-to-end or hop-by-hop.=A0</span></pre>
</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div =
style>[MB] =A0So, I think the first sentence is trying to say: &quot;<span =
style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">An eavesdropper could possibly collect the lis=
t of identities a user has registered.&quot;</span></div>
<div style><span style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">or =A0&quot;</span><span styl=
e=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">An eavesdropper could possibly collect the list of=
 identities registered by a user.&quot;=A0</span></div><div style><span sty=
le=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">[/MB]=A0</span>=A0</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"DE" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><div =
class=3D"im">
<pre><u></u></pre><pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:Arial,sans-serif">- Section 6.4,=A0</span><u></u><u></u></pre><pre st=
yle=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">-=
-3rd paragraph: &quot;should not&quot; -&gt; &quot;MUST NOT&quot;=A0</span>=
<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre><u></u>=A0<u></u></pre><pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span style=
=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">-- 7th paragraph: =A0&quot;SHOULD NOT be =
sent&quot; -&gt; &quot;MUST NOT be sent&quot;=A0</span><u></u><u></u></pre>=
<pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">
<u></u>=A0<u></u></pre><pre><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">--=
 8th paragraph: &quot;SHOULD NOT send sensitive information&quot; -&gt; &qu=
ot;MUST NOT send sensitive information&quot;</span><u></u><u></u></pre><pre=
 style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">
<u></u>=A0<u></u></pre><pre><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">--=
 9th paragraph: &quot;is required to delete&quot; -&gt; &quot;is REQUIRED t=
o delete&quot;=A0</span><u></u><u></u></pre><pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-w=
ord">
<span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">-- 10th paragraph: =A0How does=
 a network ensure the information is not of a sensitive nature? =A0 I would=
 think that the information just should not be sent outside of the trust do=
main. =A0I believe that&#39;s consistent with the scope of these headers, i=
s it not?<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb=
(31,73,125)"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></pre></div><pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)=
">[RJ] Yes that is also my understanding so I deleted that paragraph. I thi=
nk the rest is sufficient and described well how to behave.<u></u><u></u></=
span></pre>
<div class=3D"im"><pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-fa=
mily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></pre=
><pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Arial,sans-serif">-- 11th paragraph: So, what does a proxy do with that=
 information. =A0</span><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">What a=
re the implications if the information is used and it&#39;s not valid? =A0<=
u></u><u></u></span></pre>
</div><pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri=
,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">[RJ] Yes I did some changes as follows.<u=
></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;=
font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=A0<u></u></spa=
n></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"=
>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;t&gt;A proxy receiving a message containing the =
P-Access-Network-Info<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"=
>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 header field from a non-trusted entity is not able to g=
uarantee the<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-=
serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 validity of the contents. Th=
us this content SHOULD be deleted based on local policy.&lt;/t&gt;<u></u><u=
></u></span></pre>
<div class=3D"im"><pre><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></pre><=
pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-se=
rif">- Section 9, item 2. =A0I think you need to add this text with regards=
 to the recommendation to use RFC 4244 (bis) to the body of this document a=
nd include a real reference.</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></pre></d=
iv><pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">[RJ] OK done. I let the reference RFC4244 si=
nce 3GPP uses currently only RFC4244. <u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-=
serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Replaced following text:<u></u><u></u></span></=
pre><pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,s=
ans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">With section 9.2<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-=
serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;t&gt;Requirements for a =
more general solution are proposed in &lt;xref<u></u><u></u></span></pre><p=
re><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-se=
rif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 target=3D&quot;RFC4244&q=
uot;&gt;&lt;/xref&gt;. 3GPP will continue to use the<u></u><u></u></span></=
pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-=
serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 P-Called-Party-ID head=
er field even though RFC 4244 &lt;xref<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span=
 lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;colo=
r:rgb(31,73,125)">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 target=3D&quot;RFC4244&quot;&gt;=
&lt;/xref&gt; has now been published.&lt;/t&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-=
serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb=
(31,73,125)">I think the text in Section 9.2 is better.<u></u><u></u></span=
></pre>
<div><div class=3D"h5"><pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-w=
rap"><u><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Ni=
ts:</span></u><span style><u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre style=3D"word-wra=
p:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap">
<span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">- Section =
4.1, 2nd paragraph. =A0&quot;has associated to an address-of-record&quot; -=
&gt; &quot;has associated with an address-of-record&quot;</span><span style=
><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">- Section 4.1.2.2, 2nd parag=
raph, &quot;In case&quot; -&gt; &quot;If&quot;, =A0&quot;shall not&quot; -&=
gt; SHALL NOT</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:Arial,sans-serif">- Section 4.3.2.2, last sentence. =A0The -09 int=
roduced a typo: &quot;T means&quot; -&gt; &quot;This means&quot;=A0</span><=
span style><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></pre><pre style=3D"word-wrap:brea=
k-word;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">-=
 Section 4.3.2.3, 1st paragraph after 1st example. =A0The -09 introduced an=
other typo: &quot;the REGISTRAR&quot; -&gt; &quot;at the REGISTRAR&quot;</s=
pan><span style><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></pre><pre style=3D"word-wrap:brea=
k-word;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;co=
lor:rgb(34,34,34)">Section 4.2.2.1, 3rd paragraph: =A0&quot;there must also=
 be a transitive trust&quot; -&gt; =A0&quot;there MUST also be a transitive=
 trust&quot;=A0</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></pre><pre style=3D"word-wrap:brea=
k-word;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;co=
lor:rgb(34,34,34)">Section 4.6, 2nd paragraph: &quot;includes, includes but=
 is not limited to&quot; -&gt; &quot;includes, but is not limited to,&quot;=
=A0</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></pre><pre style=3D"word-wrap:brea=
k-word;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;co=
lor:rgb(34,34,34)">Section 4.6.2.2, 1st paragraph: &quot;one ore more&quot;=
 -&gt; &quot;one or more&quot;=A0</span><span style><u></u><u></u></span></=
pre>
<pre><span style><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></pre><pre style=3D"word-wrap:brea=
k-word;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></pre><pre=
 style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap"><span style><u></u>=A0=
<u></u></span></pre>
</div></div></div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">O=
n Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 11:58 AM, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:R.Jesske@telekom.de" =
target=3D"_blank">R.Jesske@telekom.de</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">
Dear all,<br>I would like to inform you that I have implemented all comment=
s coming from the expert review done by Dean Willis. Also an editorial clea=
nup was made.<br><br>If there are still some comments that needs to be impl=
emented please inform me.<br>
<br>From my side I would be happy to proceed the draft further towards publ=
ication.<br><br>Thank you and Best Regards<br><br>Roland<br><br><br>-----Ur=
spr=FCngliche Nachricht-----<br>Von: <a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf=
.org" target=3D"_blank">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"mai=
lto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a=
>]<br>
Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. Oktober 2013 13:40<br>An: Christer Holmberg; Keith D=
rage; Jesske, Roland<br>Betreff: New Version Notification for draft-drage-s=
ipping-rfc3455bis-09.txt<br><br><br>A new version of I-D, draft-drage-sippi=
ng-rfc3455bis-09.txt<br>
has been successfully submitted by Keith Drage and posted to the IETF repos=
itory.<br><br>Filename: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0draft-drage-sipping-rfc3455bis<br>Re=
vision: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A009<br>Title: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Private Header (P-H=
eader) Extensions to the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) for the 3rd-Gene=
ration Partnership Project (3GPP)<br>
Creation date: =A0 2013-10-08<br>Group: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Individual Subm=
ission<br>Number of pages: 47<br>URL: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 <a href=3D"ht=
tp://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-drage-sipping-rfc3455bis-09.txt" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-drage-sipping-rfc=
3455bis-09.txt</a><br>
Status: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<a href=3D"http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft=
-drage-sipping-rfc3455bis" target=3D"_blank">http://datatracker.ietf.org/do=
c/draft-drage-sipping-rfc3455bis</a><br>Htmlized: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<a href=3D=
"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-drage-sipping-rfc3455bis-09" target=3D"_b=
lank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-drage-sipping-rfc3455bis-09</a><br>
Diff: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3D=
draft-drage-sipping-rfc3455bis-09" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ietf.org/rf=
cdiff?url2=3Ddraft-drage-sipping-rfc3455bis-09</a><br><br>Abstract:<br>=A0 =
=A0This document describes a set of private Session Initiation Protocol<br>
=A0 =A0(SIP) header fields (P-headers) used by the 3rd-Generation<br>=A0 =
=A0Partnership Project (3GPP), along with their applicability, which is<br>=
=A0 =A0limited to particular environments. =A0The P-header fields are for a=
<br>=A0 =A0variety of purposes within the networks that the partners use,<b=
r>
=A0 =A0including charging and information about the networks a call<br>=A0 =
=A0traverses.<br><br><br><br><br>Please note that it may take a couple of m=
inutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are =
available at <a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">tools.ietf=
.org</a>.<br>
<br>The IETF Secretariat<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0 =
-<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></d=
iv>

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