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On 2011-01-31, at 14:16, Olaf Kolkman wrote:

> In a DNSSEC enabled environment serving an Expired zone would not be =
possible after the signatures expired. I that case IANA could take an =
action by pulling the DS. I currently believe that in geo-political =
turmoil as we see now IANA should never do that. In the case of natural =
disaster the case may be slightly different, but that seems something =
where IANA could make bilateral service level agreements about.

ICANN has staff in Egypt (Baher Esmat) who currently has internet access =
via modem and international phone call to Europe, and has a satellite =
phone for voice communications. I suspect a trusted communications =
channel to the EG manager could be arranged via Baher if it turned out =
it was needed to authenticate a root zone change for EG.

ICANN does not act unilaterally in these cases, but takes direction from =
TLD managers.

(Note also that EG is not signed, so DNSSEC signature expiration is not =
a problem in this particular case. For a signed zone, though, signature =
expiration is probably a greater concern than zone expiry).


Joe=

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This makes some sense operationally.  Long expirys were once common in
TLD zone SOAs hosted in parts of the world with iffy connectivity, for
exactly the reason that sometimes slaves would lose connectivity to
masters and you didn't want the zone to go lame while things got
sorted out-- less for policy reasons than because, IIRC, the form of
client/app bad behavior resulting from having an auth server hand out
SERVFAILs was deemed worse than timeouts from a successful resolution
when the underlying resource was unreachable.

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:58:16AM -0500, Thomas Narten wrote:
> There have obviously been lots of discussions about the situation in
> Egypt. Internet essentially doesn't work in Egypt, and there is no
> connectivity into Egypt from outside.
> 
> >From a DNS perspective, what are the key things that we need to pay
> attention to? (I'm trying to get the facts straight in my
> conversations with the ICANN board, to be sure people are acting on
> facts, rather than assumptions).
> 
> My understanding is that when DNS names for .eg requested, root
> servers respond with an NS RR pointing to the authoritative servers
> for eg. I.e.,:
> 
> > [cichlid] ~ 121 >dig -t soa eg. @l.root-servers.net
> > 
> > ; <<>> DiG 9.7.2-P3-RedHat-9.7.2-5.P3.fc14 <<>> -t soa eg. @l.root-servers.net
> > ;; global options: +cmd
> > ;; Got answer:
> > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 60919
> > ;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 4
> > ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available
> > 
> > ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> > ;eg.				IN	SOA
> > 
> > ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> > eg.			172800	IN	NS	ns5.univie.ac.at.
> > eg.			172800	IN	NS	rip.psg.com.
> > eg.			172800	IN	NS	frcu.eun.eg.
> > 
> > ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
> > ns5.univie.ac.at.	172800	IN	A	193.171.255.77
> > rip.psg.com.		172800	IN	A	147.28.0.39
> > frcu.eun.eg.		172800	IN	A	193.227.1.1
> > rip.psg.com.		172800	IN	AAAA	2001:418:1::39
> > 
> > ;; Query time: 44 msec
> > ;; SERVER: 199.7.83.42#53(199.7.83.42)
> > ;; WHEN: Mon Jan 31 11:33:10 2011
> > ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 176
> 
> The root zone will serve this data indefinitely, until such time as
> the zone file is updated. This only happens as a result of an explicit
> IANA action, going through NTIA and VRSN.  Consequently, there is no
> implication to root servers w.r.t. events in Egypt. They will continue
> serving the current data indefinitely.
> 
> At the next level, the SOA returned by authoritative servers is as
> follows:
> 
> [cichlid] ~ 122 >dig -t soa eg @RIP.PSG.COM.
> 
> > ; <<>> DiG 9.7.2-P3-RedHat-9.7.2-5.P3.fc14 <<>> -t soa eg @RIP.PSG.COM.
> > ;; global options: +cmd
> > ;; Got answer:
> > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 50526
> > ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 1
> > ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available
> > 
> > ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> > ;eg.				IN	SOA
> > 
> > ;; ANSWER SECTION:
> > eg.			604800	IN	SOA	FRCU.EUN.eg. Postmaster.FRCU.EUN.eg. 2010100421 15000 7200 12096000 86400
> > 
> > ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> > eg.			604800	IN	NS	RIP.PSG.COM.
> > eg.			604800	IN	NS	NS5.UNIVIE.AC.AT.
> > eg.			604800	IN	NS	FRCU.EUN.eg.
> > 
> > ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
> > FRCU.EUN.eg.		86400	IN	A	193.227.1.1
> > 
> > ;; Query time: 132 msec
> > ;; SERVER: 147.28.0.39#53(147.28.0.39)
> > ;; WHEN: Mon Jan 31 11:36:30 2011
> > ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 161
> 
> Key thing of note. The SOA "expire" time is 12096000 seconds, which
> translates to 140 days. If a secondary cannot contact the primary
> within this time, the zone is considered old and the secondary stops
> being authoritative. I.e., its stops serving  the data.
> 
> Also, when responding to general RR queries, authoritative servers
> always return the TTL associated with the RRset. I.e., they do not
> decrement TTLs over time as the zone becomes closer to "expiring". 
> 
> Thus, assuming that the primary servers for eg remain unreachable
> indefinitely, we have 140 days (from Friday) before DNS queries stop
> resolving.
> 
> Do I have the above details right? Is there anything else to note or
> worry about at this point from a DNS perspective?
> 
> Thomas

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Please find below the preliminary agenda of the 2/17 IESG telechat.=20

Please send me your questions, comments and concerns about the document
brought up for approval before 2/16 COB.=20

Thanks and Regards,

Dan


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....

2. Protocol Actions
2.1 WG Submissions
2.1.1 New Items

  o draft-ietf-tsvwg-iana-ports-09
    Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) Procedures for the
    Management of the Service Name and Transport Protocol Port Number
    Registry (BCP)
    Note: AD review comments will be addressed after IETF LC.Gorry
    Fairhurst (gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

  o draft-ietf-isis-ieee-aq-04
    IS-IS Extensions Supporting IEEE 802.1aq Shortest Path Bridging
    (Proposed Standard)
    Note: David Ward (dward@juniper.net) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Stewart Bryant

  o draft-ietf-6man-prefixlen-p2p-01
    Using 127-bit IPv6 Prefixes on Inter-Router Links (Proposed
    Standard)
    Note: Bob Hinden (bob.hinden@gmail.com) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Jari Arkko

  o draft-ietf-isis-reg-purge-00
    IS-IS Registry Extension for Purges (Proposed Standard)
    Note: David Ward (dward@juniper.net) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Stewart Bryant

  o draft-ietf-isis-purge-tlv-05
    Purge Originator Identification TLV for IS-IS (Proposed Standard)
    Note: David Ward (dward@juniper.net) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Stewart Bryant

  o draft-ietf-pim-registry-04
    A Registry for PIM Message Types (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Mike McBride (mmcbride@cisco.com) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Adrian Farrel

2.1.2 Returning Items

  NONE

2.2 Individual Submissions
2.2.1 New Items

  o draft-turner-akf-algs-update-02
    Elliptic Curve Algorithms for Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS)
    Asymmetric Key Package Content Type
     (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Sean Turner (turners@ieca.com) is the document Shepherd.
    Token: Tim Polk

  o draft-turner-ekpct-algs-update-02
    Elliptic Curve Algorithms for Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS)
    Encrypted Key Package Content Type
     (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Sean Turner (turners@ieca.com) is the document Shepherd.
    Token: Tim Polk

  o draft-arkko-dual-stack-extra-lite-05
    Scalable Operation of Address Translators with Per-Interface
    Bindings (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Ralph Droms

  o draft-cheshire-dnsext-special-names-01
    Special-Use Domain Names (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Ralph Droms

2.2.2 Returning Items

  NONE

3. Document Actions
3.1 WG Submissions
3.1.1 New Items

  o draft-ietf-mipshop-transient-bce-pmipv6-07
    Transient Binding for Proxy Mobile IPv6 (Experimental)
    Note: Vijay Devarapalli (vijay@wichorus.com) is the Document
    Shepherd
    Token: Jari Arkko

  o draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-req-15
    PCC-PCE Communication and PCE Discovery Requirements for Inter-Layer
    Traffic Engineering (Informational)
    Note: Julien Meuric (julien.meuric@orange-ftgroup.com) is the
    document shepherd.
    Token: Stewart Bryant

  o draft-ietf-intarea-shared-addressing-issues-03
    Issues with IP Address Sharing (Informational)
    Note: Julien Laganier (julienl@qualcomm.com) is the document
    shepherd.
    Token: Jari Arkko

  o draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-framework-12
    Framework for GMPLS and PCE Control of Wavelength Switched Optical
    Networks (WSON) (Informational)
    Note: Lou Berger (lberger@labn.net) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Adrian Farrel

3.1.2 Returning Items

  NONE

3.2 Individual Submissions Via AD
3.2.1 New Items

  o draft-mraihi-totp-timebased-07
    TOTP: Time-based One-time Password Algorithm (Informational)
    Note: Hannes Tschofenig (Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net) is the document
    shepherd.
    Token: Sean Turner

  o draft-eastlake-sha2b-06
    US Secure Hash Algorithms (SHA and SHA based HMAC and HKDF)
    (Informational)
    Note: I agreed to sponsor this document since I was the sponsor for
    RFC 4634.
    Token: Russ Housley

  o draft-ymbk-aplusp-08
    The A+P Approach to the IPv4 Address Shortage (Experimental)
    Token: Ron Bonica

3.2.2 Returning Items

  NONE

3.3 IRTF and Independent Submission Stream Documents
3.3.1 New Items

  o draft-irtf-rrg-design-goals-06
    Design Goals for Scalable Internet Routing (Informational)
    Note: Independent submission via IRTF. Joel Halpern
    (jmh@joelhalpern.com) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Jari Arkko

  o draft-irtf-dtnrg-sdnv-08
    Using Self-Delimiting Numeric Values in Protocols (Informational)
    Note: IRTF Submission. Elwyn Davies (elwynd@dial.pipex.com) is the
    document shepherd.
    Token: Ralph Droms

  o draft-irtf-dtnrg-bundle-security-17
    Bundle Security Protocol Specification (Experimental)
    Note: IRTF submission. Elwyn Davies (elwynd@dial.pipex.com) is the
    document shepherd.
    Token: Sean Turner

  o draft-irtf-dtnrg-bundle-metadata-block-09
    Delay-Tolerant Networking Metadata Extension Block (Experimental)
    Note: IRTF submission. Elwyn Davies (elwynd@dial.pipex.com) is the
    document shepherd.
    Token: Peter Saint-Andre

  o draft-irtf-dtnrg-bundle-previous-hop-block-12
    Delay-Tolerant Networking Previous Hop Insertion Block
    (Experimental)
    Note: IRTF submission. Elwyn Davies (elwynd@dial.pipex.com) is the
    document shepherd.
    Token: Tim Polk

  o draft-irtf-dtnrg-iana-bp-registries-01
    Delay-Tolerant Networks (DTN) Bundle Protocol IANA Registries
    (Informational)
    Note: IRTF submission. Elwyn Davies (elwynd@dial.pipex.com) is the
    document shepherd.
    Token: Jari Arkko


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Please find below the preliminary agenda of the 3/3 IESG telechat.
Please send me your comments, questions and concerns related to the
documents and WG charters on the agenda before 3/2 COB.=20

Thanks and Regards,

Dan

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From: iesg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:iesg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
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2. Protocol Actions
2.1 WG Submissions
2.1.1 New Items

  o draft-ietf-netconf-rfc4742bis-07
    Using the NETCONF Configuration Protocol over Secure Shell (SSH)
    (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Mehmet Ersue (mehmet.ersue@nsn.com) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Dan Romascanu

  o draft-ietf-netconf-4741bis-09
    Network Configuration Protocol (NETCONF) (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Bert Wijnen (bertietf@bwijnen.net) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Dan Romascanu

  o draft-ietf-hokey-ldn-discovery-06
    The Local Domain Name DHCPv6 Option (Proposed Standard)
    Note: The document shepherd is Tina Tsou <tena@huawei.com>
    Token: Tim Polk

  o draft-ietf-payload-rfc4695-bis-01
    RTP Payload Format for MIDI (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Roni Even (even.roni@huawei.com) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Robert Sparks

2.1.2 Returning Items

  o draft-ietf-sipcore-199-05
    Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Response Code for Indication of
    Terminated Dialog (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Gonzalo Camarillo (Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com) is the
    document shepherd.
    Token: Robert Sparks

2.2 Individual Submissions
2.2.1 New Items

  o draft-holsten-about-uri-scheme-06
    The 'about' URI scheme (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

  o draft-bryan-metalinkhttp-20
    Metalink/HTTP: Mirrors and Cryptographic Hashes in HTTP Header
    Fields (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Alexey Melnikov
    Was deferred by Alexey Melnikov on 2011-02-17

2.2.2 Returning Items

  NONE

3. Document Actions
3.1 WG Submissions
3.1.1 New Items

  o draft-ietf-speermint-voipthreats-07
    Session Peering for Multimedia Interconnect (SPEERMINT) Security
    Threats and Suggested Countermeasures (Informational)
    Note: Jason Livingood (Jason_Livingood@cable.comcast.com) is the
    document shepherd.
    Token: Gonzalo Camarillo

  o draft-ietf-6lowpan-usecases-09
    Design and Application Spaces for 6LoWPANs (Informational)
    Note: Geoff Mulligan (geoff.ietf@mulligan.com)is the document
    shepherd.
    Token: Ralph Droms

  o draft-ietf-hip-over-hip-05
    Host Identity Protocol Signaling Message Transport Modes
    (Experimental)
    Note: Gonzalo Camarillo (gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com) is the
    document shepherd
    Token: Ralph Droms

  o draft-ietf-hip-cert-09
    Host Identity Protocol Certificates (Experimental)
    Note: Gonzalo Camarillo (Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com) is the
    document shepherd.
    Token: Ralph Droms

3.1.2 Returning Items

  o draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-in-mobile-networks-03
    Mobile Networks Considerations for IPv6 Deployment (Informational)
    Note: Fred Baker (fred@cisco.com) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Ron Bonica

3.2 Individual Submissions Via AD
3.2.1 New Items

  o draft-mraihi-mutual-oath-hotp-variants-13
    OCRA: OATH Challenge-Response Algorithms (Informational)
    Note: Hannes Tschofenig (Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net) is the document
    shepherd.
    Token: Sean Turner
    Was deferred by Tim Polk on 2011-02-08

  o draft-meadors-multiple-attachments-ediint-10
    Multiple Attachments for EDIINT (Informational)
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

  o draft-josefsson-rc4-test-vectors-02
    Test vectors for the stream cipher RC4 (Informational)
    Note: Simon Josefsson (simon@josefsson.org) is the Document
    Shepherd.
    Token: Sean Turner

  o draft-mrw-nat66-07
    IPv6-to-IPv6 Network Prefix Translation (Experimental)
    Token: Ron Bonica

3.2.2 Returning Items

  NONE

3.3 IRTF and Independent Submission Stream Documents
3.3.1 New Items

  NONE

3.3.2 Returning Items

  NONE

4. Working Group Actions
4.1 WG Creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF Review

  o Verification Involving PSTN Reachability (vipr)
    Token: Robert Sparks

  o Address Resolution for Massive numbers of hosts in the Data center
(armd)
    Token: Ron Bonica

4.1.2 Proposed for Approval

  NONE

4.2 WG Rechartering
4.2.1 Under Evaluation for IETF Review

  o DNS Extensions (dnsext)
    Token: Ralph Droms

4.2.2 Proposed for Approval

  NONE

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