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RFC5434, Section 1 (Chairs) * Use cases for Bonjour in routed networks (15 mins) (Stuart Cheshire) * Requirements (25 mins) draft-lynn-mdnsext-requirements-00 (Kerry Lynn) * Open discussion (20 mins) Charter bashing * Conclusion (10 mins) Should a WG be formed? Thomas From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Fri Nov 9 07:21:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE0F721F84CD for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 07:21:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LpLyXR6XFGtH for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 07:21:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qc0-f172.google.com (mail-qc0-f172.google.com [209.85.216.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFEE721F8D00 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 07:21:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id b25so2953645qca.31 for ; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 07:21:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=UJ9ofKsbLyxZ0/lmpLfAm5eIe7wTGN5nL81QpoJkwg4=; b=nQ3WpcBJx3Bd20hAYy0AIp7J4+hFpPccF6SOIPoFAeb5IBuHKIzNvpIvOBd0hNEUmg TzVaDOVuWGH3dF9d0PTIS+ozMb/a0vqMT7GiQUOGGwriRisKj5lTwUYI5Ni5ULnFhlzn VGEnBGO7RugUFqsTyzf4IPjA5WwI+K+w4E3xAMmIGzfwIzFHnDC3w4BP63j0NVowmZV+ xkTWfG21wgG1UgU+TuONCyNRAUugJGtOfrCS25t2n49HtTfxea47oEI1F6KoV+9topve MoMyBRIUEABEnyzV//U7Mo56zJ3DOpfloHRLarBHaTyttRrdWrzjBzPin09CLfv4Zzm7 K0Gg== Received: by 10.224.72.206 with SMTP id n14mr17329784qaj.38.1352474460225; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 07:21:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:df8::16:411a:76af:d57:1400? ([2001:df8:0:16:411a:76af:d57:1400]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id eq10sm18057172qab.0.2012.11.09.07.20.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 09 Nov 2012 07:20:59 -0800 (PST) From: Ralph Droms Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 10:20:06 -0500 Message-Id: <76EDB550-80FB-475D-8552-C1A655EC6601@gmail.com> To: IETF Directorate DNS Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) Subject: [dns-dir] Quick opinion on draft-rafiee-cga-tsig-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:21:03 -0000 I'd very much like to get someone's quick opinion on = draft-rafiee-cga-tsig-00.txt: is it of any potential interest or not? = The author is new to the IETF and would like some assistance. I'm = trying to figure out whether and how she should be encouraged. It's 10:15AM now; if someone could get back to me in an hour or so, I'd = appreciate it. I'd like to give Hosnieh a face-to-face response before = we leave Atlanta. Finally, if you think it is of potential interest, would you be willing = to mentor Hosnieh in progressing her document? Thanks and I apologize for the short fuse... - Ralph From ogud@ogud.com Fri Nov 9 07:32:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2092921F857C for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 07:32:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.226 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.226 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.039, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7vkNRm5OR1An for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 07:32:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp142.dfw.emailsrvr.com (smtp142.dfw.emailsrvr.com [67.192.241.142]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1340121F8585 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 07:32:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp14.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 90AA229833A; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 10:32:30 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp14.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: ogud-AT-ogud.com) with ESMTPSA id 8729E298201; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 10:32:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <509D220A.50404@ogud.com> Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:32:26 -0500 From: Olafur Gudmundsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dns-dir@ietf.org References: <76EDB550-80FB-475D-8552-C1A655EC6601@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <76EDB550-80FB-475D-8552-C1A655EC6601@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Quick opinion on draft-rafiee-cga-tsig-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:32:35 -0000 I talked to her last night and told her that what she is proposing is equivalent to client assigned key via TKEY and asked why she does not want to use TKEY, as that will not require any changes on the server side. Second question I asked is what is the usage case as the only update that could be authorized using this mechanism is the reverse tree name associated with the address, the author seems to think that entries in the forward tree can be updated. In short the document needs to justify why TKEY is not used at all what is the usage case what can be authorized to be updated by the TSIG key configured. Olafur On 09/11/2012 10:20, Ralph Droms wrote: > I'd very much like to get someone's quick opinion on draft-rafiee-cga-tsig-00.txt: is it of any potential interest or not? The author is new to the IETF and would like some assistance. I'm trying to figure out whether and how she should be encouraged. > > It's 10:15AM now; if someone could get back to me in an hour or so, I'd appreciate it. I'd like to give Hosnieh a face-to-face response before we leave Atlanta. > > Finally, if you think it is of potential interest, would you be willing to mentor Hosnieh in progressing her document? > > Thanks and I apologize for the short fuse... > > - Ralph > > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From ajs@anvilwalrusden.com Fri Nov 9 07:34:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 718CF21F86E3 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 07:34:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.831 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.831 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.009, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_INFO=1.448, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uO7Cw39D7erP for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 07:34:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.yitter.info (ow5p.x.rootbsd.net [208.79.81.114]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFA621F86E2 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 07:34:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.yitter.info (dhcp-2113.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.33.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3054F8A031 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 15:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 10:33:56 -0500 From: Andrew Sullivan To: dns-dir@ietf.org Message-ID: <20121109153356.GF79908@mx1.yitter.info> References: <76EDB550-80FB-475D-8552-C1A655EC6601@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <76EDB550-80FB-475D-8552-C1A655EC6601@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Quick opinion on draft-rafiee-cga-tsig-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:34:04 -0000 On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 10:20:06AM -0500, Ralph Droms wrote: > I'd very much like to get someone's quick opinion on draft-rafiee-cga-tsig-00.txt: is it of any potential interest or not? The author is new to the IETF and would like some assistance. I'm trying to figure out whether and how she should be encouraged. > She should be encouraged, I'm not actually sure that the proposal as it stands is worth pursuing, but the basic ideas contain some building blocks for possibly useful work. Also, I'm not sure how we could have given her any more encouragement. I have actively sought her out, introduced her to several people, and managed to get some feedback already to her. DNSEXT, which was formerly the natural home for this, is not willing to take it on just because we decided to shut down and are trying to do that. If the AD thinks that's an error, I'm willing to reconsider, but we've been pretty bossy about it so far. Moreover, I think she should be encouraged in general. She's serious and keen to do work. I think that's _always_ a newcomer we want to encourage! In general, she's interested in security matters, and I'm attemptint to identify things she might want to review. I have reason to suppose she's looking for work, also, so if anyone knows the sort of junior protocol & security position appropriate to newly minted degrees, it wouldn't hurt to tell her about it. For those who don't know, she's currently in Germany, so USian positions could be tricky. > Finally, if you think it is of potential interest, would you be willing to mentor Hosnieh in progressing her document? > I've already been trying to do that, though I'd be happy for help. Best, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Fri Nov 9 07:38:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D1421F86E0 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 07:38:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hNojmrbFfUxA for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 07:38:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qa0-f51.google.com (mail-qa0-f51.google.com [209.85.216.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ECBD21F86DD for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 07:38:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id t11so473522qaa.10 for ; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 07:38:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=RIU5U5mwV5265f6f6S/LE8XlAyACs2siKo+VInQ8bxY=; b=tIZv0FBs/v9s76mFzVujQrz9cZdIXk2h7LBRiWmA+KZuj6M6/LsePxk/dn1l4wyz6j LFc6YmQfVm2Ydr3Go+irezdfZiaeFovj4g1sH6iDF7VXIoLvLbq8eR+SBfdXv+Dr1vD9 5J+pojWhZZor6Wev/QVtctMtXrVfrQNgiwUZlx1fnRWthbeqb10Dokv+NHO6NpTXa45k FHUqcckOPvbm4GLLA7bJvVer3qokc/A5Ooww7oJNAIC3ZsIiYprnquQ76yWFQ7l3B5JC U9MyvkuLbkXdlyFijQbEIzedJeIZWOCP472jwlY2P4LOSXGt01sQRAnKldMQGqH/ylDJ R7ng== Received: by 10.224.95.196 with SMTP id e4mr17265569qan.88.1352475486594; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 07:38:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:df8::16:411a:76af:d57:1400? ([2001:df8:0:16:411a:76af:d57:1400]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h8sm18076859qap.17.2012.11.09.07.38.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 09 Nov 2012 07:38:05 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ralph Droms In-Reply-To: <20121109153356.GF79908@mx1.yitter.info> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 10:38:03 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3C782476-0FFD-4A56-962F-4C821D25C871@gmail.com> References: <76EDB550-80FB-475D-8552-C1A655EC6601@gmail.com> <20121109153356.GF79908@mx1.yitter.info> To: Andrew Sullivan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Quick opinion on draft-rafiee-cga-tsig-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:38:07 -0000 On Nov 9, 2012, at 10:33 AM 11/9/12, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 10:20:06AM -0500, Ralph Droms wrote: >> I'd very much like to get someone's quick opinion on = draft-rafiee-cga-tsig-00.txt: is it of any potential interest or not? = The author is new to the IETF and would like some assistance. I'm = trying to figure out whether and how she should be encouraged. >>=20 >=20 > She should be encouraged, I'm not actually sure that the proposal as > it stands is worth pursuing, but the basic ideas contain some building > blocks for possibly useful work. OK, thanks for that review. >=20 > Also, I'm not sure how we could have given her any more > encouragement. I have actively sought her out, introduced her to > several people, and managed to get some feedback already to her. >=20 > DNSEXT, which was formerly the natural home for this, is not willing > to take it on just because we decided to shut down and are trying to > do that. If the AD thinks that's an error, I'm willing to reconsider, > but we've been pretty bossy about it so far. Nope, I'm not supporting anything new coming into the dnsext queue. >=20 > Moreover, I think she should be encouraged in general. She's serious > and keen to do work. I think that's _always_ a newcomer we want to > encourage! In general, she's interested in security matters, and I'm > attemptint to identify things she might want to review. I have reason > to suppose she's looking for work, also, so if anyone knows the sort > of junior protocol & security position appropriate to newly minted > degrees, it wouldn't hurt to tell her about it. For those who don't > know, she's currently in Germany, so USian positions could be tricky. >=20 >> Finally, if you think it is of potential interest, would you be = willing to mentor Hosnieh in progressing her document? >>=20 >=20 > I've already been trying to do that, though I'd be happy for help. Excellent and thanks. Do you mind if I suggest that she continue the = conversation with you? I imagine she may be not understanding the IETF process. I'll try to = find a few minutes to give her some additional insight. - Ralph >=20 > Best, >=20 > A >=20 > --=20 > Andrew Sullivan > ajs@anvilwalrusden.com > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Fri Nov 9 07:38:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 063B021F8510 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 07:38:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id soYM-SacgV0v for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 07:38:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qc0-f172.google.com (mail-qc0-f172.google.com [209.85.216.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB01521F8546 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 07:38:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id b25so2966834qca.31 for ; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 07:38:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=o+/d1R9TEDyqs4AsHw2QSaQ/+Xs80f5GlpTgyJ67Ms4=; b=OW33ShsEdzCj3Xqy2TZL5zyzwI4Ksn7oAfZKBcKR9Z8fdN/aqZ5uwaiFyphpwkgpNB FWGZ27tv9IiZZ5u+/gvtxoASd5V2VjzCxuenUSIqO3Gm1+peFdFEwPPzxqY43X+JRY+U yjvBQ2d5IalmMqB39hkm+kqKmBdtaJnXsMkWgJARBir71GmcEXKM9qBLcrg8vHNFJ5S+ J7sXNAIZLhKy72hEpv2imfdiKCzxqj1boRZuJHfk/xWBEDQdPQeThLNFwgNvLSVtcWQN 0EsU34FqSX9XSXsVkvIHMUlrZMYJV03855dU1yXiWxVkUwF7uUVY8f39hYHUi3uc9AwH izRg== Received: by 10.224.201.73 with SMTP id ez9mr17442553qab.92.1352475500343; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 07:38:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:df8::16:411a:76af:d57:1400? ([2001:df8:0:16:411a:76af:d57:1400]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h8sm18076859qap.17.2012.11.09.07.38.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 09 Nov 2012 07:38:19 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ralph Droms In-Reply-To: <509D220A.50404@ogud.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 10:38:20 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7933A318-969C-4BFB-9611-D73D4DFB9327@gmail.com> References: <76EDB550-80FB-475D-8552-C1A655EC6601@gmail.com> <509D220A.50404@ogud.com> To: Olafur Gudmundsson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) Cc: IETF Directorate DNS Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Quick opinion on draft-rafiee-cga-tsig-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:38:22 -0000 On Nov 9, 2012, at 10:32 AM 11/9/12, Olafur Gudmundsson wrote: >=20 > I talked to her last night and told her that what she is proposing is = equivalent to client assigned key via TKEY > and asked why she does not want to use TKEY, as that will not require = any changes on the server side. >=20 > Second question I asked is what is the usage case as the only update = that could be authorized using this mechanism is the > reverse tree name associated with the address, the author seems to = think that entries in the forward tree can be > updated. >=20 > In short the document needs > to justify why TKEY is not used at all > what is the usage case > what can be authorized to be updated by the TSIG key configured. Thanks, Olafur. - Ralph >=20 > Olafur >=20 > On 09/11/2012 10:20, Ralph Droms wrote: >> I'd very much like to get someone's quick opinion on = draft-rafiee-cga-tsig-00.txt: is it of any potential interest or not? = The author is new to the IETF and would like some assistance. I'm = trying to figure out whether and how she should be encouraged. >>=20 >> It's 10:15AM now; if someone could get back to me in an hour or so, = I'd appreciate it. I'd like to give Hosnieh a face-to-face response = before we leave Atlanta. >>=20 >> Finally, if you think it is of potential interest, would you be = willing to mentor Hosnieh in progressing her document? >>=20 >> Thanks and I apologize for the short fuse... >>=20 >> - Ralph >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> dns-dir mailing list >> dns-dir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir >=20 > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From ajs@anvilwalrusden.com Fri Nov 9 07:42:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D17421F860D for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 07:42:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.832 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.832 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.008, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_INFO=1.448, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9n4dGg8sQtps for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 07:42:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.yitter.info (ow5p.x.rootbsd.net [208.79.81.114]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3E5121F85C2 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 07:42:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.yitter.info (dhcp-2113.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.33.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5F1628A031; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 15:42:18 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 10:42:11 -0500 From: Andrew Sullivan To: Ralph Droms Message-ID: <20121109154211.GH79908@mx1.yitter.info> References: <76EDB550-80FB-475D-8552-C1A655EC6601@gmail.com> <20121109153356.GF79908@mx1.yitter.info> <3C782476-0FFD-4A56-962F-4C821D25C871@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C782476-0FFD-4A56-962F-4C821D25C871@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Quick opinion on draft-rafiee-cga-tsig-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:42:21 -0000 On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 10:38:03AM -0500, Ralph Droms wrote: > Excellent and thanks. Do you mind if I suggest that she continue the conversation with you? > No, of course not. I've tried in fact to encourage her to do that. > I imagine she may be not understanding the IETF process. I'll try to find a few minutes to give her some additional insight. > Yeah, emphasising how things work around here would be helpful. Guiding her in how to get work done here has been tricky. I've pointed her at the Tao more than once, but I'm not totally sure she's absorbed it. A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com From brian@innovationslab.net Fri Nov 9 09:20:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D67621F8778 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OePNbdAUYn9q for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 09:20:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from uillean.fuaim.com (uillean.fuaim.com [206.197.161.140]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D586721F8770 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 09:20:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from clairseach.fuaim.com (clairseach-high.fuaim.com [206.197.161.158]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by uillean.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC97880F3; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 09:20:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-504b.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-504b.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.80.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by clairseach.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD72140039; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 09:20:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <509D3B5D.5050003@innovationslab.net> Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 12:20:29 -0500 From: Brian Haberman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Sullivan References: <76EDB550-80FB-475D-8552-C1A655EC6601@gmail.com> <20121109153356.GF79908@mx1.yitter.info> <3C782476-0FFD-4A56-962F-4C821D25C871@gmail.com> <20121109154211.GH79908@mx1.yitter.info> In-Reply-To: <20121109154211.GH79908@mx1.yitter.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Quick opinion on draft-rafiee-cga-tsig-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 17:20:32 -0000 Hi Andrew, On 11/9/12 10:42 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 10:38:03AM -0500, Ralph Droms wrote: >> Excellent and thanks. Do you mind if I suggest that she continue the conversation with you? >> > > No, of course not. I've tried in fact to encourage her to do that. > >> I imagine she may be not understanding the IETF process. I'll try to find a few minutes to give her some additional insight. >> > > Yeah, emphasising how things work around here would be helpful. > Guiding her in how to get work done here has been tricky. I've > pointed her at the Tao more than once, but I'm not totally sure she's > absorbed it. > I can confirm that she is struggling with the IETF process and that is probably causing most of her angst. I appreciate you being willing to help her out. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help. Regards, Brian From bclaise@cisco.com Sun Nov 11 10:53:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7BE21F8564; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 10:53:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.546 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.546 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.053, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gFOUOSrE0NC8; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 10:53:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from av-tac-rtp.cisco.com (av-tac-rtp.cisco.com [64.102.19.209]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E00A721F856E; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 10:53:56 -0800 (PST) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from rooster.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-rtp.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id qABIru5l003921; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 13:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.82.242.230] (rtp-vpn2-742.cisco.com [10.82.242.230]) by rooster.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id qABIrsnG008720; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 13:53:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <509FCBB0.7090002@cisco.com> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 11:00:48 -0500 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "aaa-doctors@ietf.org" , "MIB Doctors (E-mail)" , YANG Doctors , "ops-dir@ietf.org" , IETF DNS Directorate References: <20121108231217.12473.66688.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20121108231217.12473.66688.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <20121108231217.12473.66688.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [dns-dir] Fwd: [IESG-AGENDA-DIST] Summarized Agenda for the 2012-11-15 IESG Teleconference X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 18:53:58 -0000 Dear all, Please find below the agenda of the November 15th IESG telechat. Please send your questions, comments and concerns before Nov 14 COB. Thanks and Regards, Benoit ================================================ INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG) Summarized Agenda for the 2012-11-15 IESG Teleconference This agenda was generated at 2012-11-08 15:10:41 PST Up-to-date web version of this agenda can be found at: http://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/ 2. Protocol Actions 2.1 WG Submissions 2.1.1 New Items o draft-ietf-v6ops-ra-guard-implementation-05 Implementation Advice for IPv6 Router Advertisement Guard (RA-Guard) (Best Current Practice) Note: Joel Jaeggli (joelja@bogus.com) is the document shepherd. Token: Ronald Bonica o draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-delay-10 RTP Control Protocol (RTCP) Extended Report (XR) Block for Delay metric Reporting (Proposed Standard) Note: Shida Schubert (shida@ntt-at.com) is the Document Shepherd. Token: Gonzalo Camarillo o draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-in-band-signaling-07 Multipoint LDP in-band signaling for Point-to-Multipoint and Multipoint- to-Multipoint Label Switched Paths (Proposed Standard) Note: Loa Andersson (loa@pi.nu) is the document shepherd. Token: Adrian Farrel o draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03 Label Switched Path (LSP) Ping for IPv6 Pseudowire FECs (Proposed Standard) Note: Loa Andersson (loa.andersson@ericsson.com) is the document shepherd. Token: Adrian Farrel o draft-ietf-ipfix-a9n-07 Flow Aggregation for the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) Protocol (Proposed Standard) Note: Nevil Brownlee (n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz) is the document shepherd. Token: Ronald Bonica 2.1.2 Returning Items o draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2671bis-edns0-09 Extension Mechanisms for DNS (EDNS(0)) (Internet Standard) Note: Olafur Gudmundsson (ogud at ogud.com) is the document shepherd. Token: Ralph Droms o draft-ietf-pkix-caa-15 DNS Certification Authority Authorization (CAA) Resource Record (Proposed Standard) Note: Steve Kent (kent@bbn.com) is the Document Shepherd. Token: Sean Turner 2.2 Individual Submissions 2.2.1 New Items o draft-leiba-5322upd-from-group-07 Update to Internet Message Format to Allow Group Syntax in the "From:" and "Sender:" Header Fields (Proposed Standard) Token: Pete Resnick o draft-gont-intarea-obsolete-eid-option-01 Obsoleting the Endpoint Identifier (EID) Option (Proposed Standard) Note: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE (liljenstolpe@gmail.com) is the document shepherd. Token: Ronald Bonica 2.2.2 Returning Items NONE 3. Document Actions 3.1 WG Submissions 3.1.1 New Items o draft-ietf-bmwg-protection-meth-12 Methodology for Benchmarking MPLS-TE Fast Reroute Protection (Informational) Note: Al Morton (acmorton@att.com) is the document shepherd. Token: Ronald Bonica o draft-ietf-mptcp-api-06 MPTCP Application Interface Considerations (Informational) Token: Wesley Eddy o draft-ietf-karp-ospf-analysis-05 Analysis of OSPF Security According to KARP Design Guide (Informational) Note: Brian Weis is the document shepherd. Token: Stewart Bryant 3.1.2 Returning Items NONE 3.2 Individual Submissions Via AD 3.2.1 New Items o draft-leiba-extended-doc-shepherd-01 Document Shepherding Throughout a Document's Lifecycle (Informational) Token: Russ Housley 3.2.2 Returning Items NONE 3.3 IRTF and Independent Submission Stream Documents 3.3.1 New Items o conflict-review-secure-cookie-session-protocol-00 IETF conflict review for draft-secure-cookie-session-protocol draft-secure-cookie-session-protocol-08 SCS: Secure Cookie Sessions for HTTP (ISE: Informational) Token: Barry Leiba 3.3.2 Returning Items NONE 3.3.3 For Action o conflict-review-boucadair-mmusic-altc-00 IETF conflict review for draft-boucadair-mmusic-altc draft-boucadair-mmusic-altc-06 Session Description Protocol (SDP) Alternate Connectivity (ALTC) Attribute (ISE: Informational) Token: Russ Housley 4. Working Group Actions 4.1 WG Creation 4.1.1 Proposed for IETF Review NONE 4.1.2 Proposed for Approval NONE 4.2 WG Rechartering 4.2.1 Under Evaluation for IETF Review NONE 4.2.2 Proposed for Approval NONE From joelja@bogus.com Mon Nov 12 09:43:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6816F21F85C2; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:43:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XYvcma+l-VWI; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:43:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 286B621F860C; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:43:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from joels-MacBook-Air.local ([69.106.51.160]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qACHhtJW027698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:43:56 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <50A13556.6050807@bogus.com> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:43:50 -0800 From: joel jaeggli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benoit Claise References: <20121108231217.12473.66688.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <509FCBB0.7090002@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <509FCBB0.7090002@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (nagasaki.bogus.com [147.28.0.81]); Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:43:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:30:36 -0800 Cc: "ops-dir@ietf.org" , IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] [OPS-DIR] Fwd: [IESG-AGENDA-DIST] Summarized Agenda for the 2012-11-15 IESG Teleconference X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:43:59 -0000 commented on: draft-ietf-v6ops-ra-guard-implementation-05 draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2671bis-edns0-09 On 11/11/12 8:00 AM, Benoit Claise wrote: > Dear all, > > Please find below the agenda of the November 15th IESG telechat. > Please send your questions, comments and concerns before Nov 14 COB. > > Thanks and Regards, Benoit > > ================================================ > > INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG) > Summarized Agenda for the 2012-11-15 IESG Teleconference > > This agenda was generated at 2012-11-08 15:10:41 PST > Up-to-date web version of this agenda can be found at: > http://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/ > > 2. Protocol Actions > 2.1 WG Submissions > 2.1.1 New Items > > o draft-ietf-v6ops-ra-guard-implementation-05 > Implementation Advice for IPv6 Router Advertisement Guard (RA-Guard) > (Best Current Practice) > Note: Joel Jaeggli (joelja@bogus.com) is the document shepherd. > Token: Ronald Bonica I'm a little wierded-out by pete's discuss on this one. "why isn't this a proposed standard" I guess that question I'd ask is why aren't refinements to an existing informational draft that are the product of operational experience the basis for a BCP. I disagree with the assertion that this is new protocol work from the outset. > > o draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-delay-10 > RTP Control Protocol (RTCP) Extended Report (XR) Block for Delay > metric Reporting (Proposed Standard) > Note: Shida Schubert (shida@ntt-at.com) is the Document Shepherd. > Token: Gonzalo Camarillo > > o draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-in-band-signaling-07 > Multipoint LDP in-band signaling for Point-to-Multipoint and > Multipoint- to-Multipoint Label Switched Paths (Proposed Standard) > Note: Loa Andersson (loa@pi.nu) is the document shepherd. > Token: Adrian Farrel > > o draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03 > Label Switched Path (LSP) Ping for IPv6 Pseudowire FECs (Proposed > Standard) > Note: Loa Andersson (loa.andersson@ericsson.com) is the document > shepherd. > Token: Adrian Farrel > > o draft-ietf-ipfix-a9n-07 > Flow Aggregation for the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) Protocol > (Proposed Standard) > Note: Nevil Brownlee (n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz) is the document > shepherd. > Token: Ronald Bonica > > 2.1.2 Returning Items > > o draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2671bis-edns0-09 > Extension Mechanisms for DNS (EDNS(0)) (Internet Standard) > Note: Olafur Gudmundsson (ogud at ogud.com) is the document > shepherd. > Token: Ralph Droms Oerhaps I'm unreasable but I'd like to see the security considerations section to take a stab at mitigations for the three described issues given that those don't leave much to the imagination. I would suggest that, the statements be non-normative since they likely are not appropriate for all circumstances. > o draft-ietf-pkix-caa-15 > DNS Certification Authority Authorization (CAA) Resource Record > (Proposed Standard) > Note: Steve Kent (kent@bbn.com) is the Document Shepherd. > Token: Sean Turner > > 2.2 Individual Submissions > 2.2.1 New Items > > o draft-leiba-5322upd-from-group-07 > Update to Internet Message Format to Allow Group Syntax in the > "From:" and "Sender:" Header Fields (Proposed Standard) > Token: Pete Resnick > > o draft-gont-intarea-obsolete-eid-option-01 > Obsoleting the Endpoint Identifier (EID) Option (Proposed Standard) > Note: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE (liljenstolpe@gmail.com) is the > document shepherd. > Token: Ronald Bonica > > 2.2.2 Returning Items > > NONE > > 3. Document Actions > 3.1 WG Submissions > 3.1.1 New Items > > o draft-ietf-bmwg-protection-meth-12 > Methodology for Benchmarking MPLS-TE Fast Reroute Protection > (Informational) > Note: Al Morton (acmorton@att.com) is the document shepherd. > Token: Ronald Bonica > > o draft-ietf-mptcp-api-06 > MPTCP Application Interface Considerations (Informational) > Token: Wesley Eddy > > o draft-ietf-karp-ospf-analysis-05 > Analysis of OSPF Security According to KARP Design Guide > (Informational) > Note: Brian Weis is the document shepherd. > Token: Stewart Bryant > > 3.1.2 Returning Items > > NONE > > 3.2 Individual Submissions Via AD > 3.2.1 New Items > > o draft-leiba-extended-doc-shepherd-01 > Document Shepherding Throughout a Document's Lifecycle > (Informational) > Token: Russ Housley > > 3.2.2 Returning Items > > NONE > > 3.3 IRTF and Independent Submission Stream Documents > 3.3.1 New Items > > o conflict-review-secure-cookie-session-protocol-00 > IETF conflict review for draft-secure-cookie-session-protocol > draft-secure-cookie-session-protocol-08 > SCS: Secure Cookie Sessions for HTTP (ISE: Informational) > Token: Barry Leiba > > 3.3.2 Returning Items > > NONE > > 3.3.3 For Action > > o conflict-review-boucadair-mmusic-altc-00 > IETF conflict review for draft-boucadair-mmusic-altc > draft-boucadair-mmusic-altc-06 > Session Description Protocol (SDP) Alternate Connectivity (ALTC) > Attribute (ISE: Informational) > Token: Russ Housley > > 4. Working Group Actions > 4.1 WG Creation > 4.1.1 Proposed for IETF Review > > NONE > > 4.1.2 Proposed for Approval > > NONE > > 4.2 WG Rechartering > 4.2.1 Under Evaluation for IETF Review > > NONE > > 4.2.2 Proposed for Approval > > NONE > > > _______________________________________________ > OPS-DIR mailing list > OPS-DIR@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-dir > From bclaise@cisco.com Thu Nov 15 10:07:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4F4C21F8525; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:07:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.438 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.438 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.161, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n9FxSM-W9FSu; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:07:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from av-tac-bru.cisco.com (weird-brew.cisco.com [144.254.15.118]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618A921F84F9; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:07:18 -0800 (PST) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id qAFI7Cpo027605; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:07:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.60.67.87] (ams-bclaise-8916.cisco.com [10.60.67.87]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id qAFI7Bei003122; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:07:12 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50A52F4F.8060204@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:07:11 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: joel jaeggli References: <20121108231217.12473.66688.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <509FCBB0.7090002@cisco.com> <50A13556.6050807@bogus.com> In-Reply-To: <50A13556.6050807@bogus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "ops-dir@ietf.org" , IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] [OPS-DIR] Fwd: [IESG-AGENDA-DIST] Summarized Agenda for the 2012-11-15 IESG Teleconference X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:07:19 -0000 Joel, > commented on: > > draft-ietf-v6ops-ra-guard-implementation-05 > draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2671bis-edns0-09 > > On 11/11/12 8:00 AM, Benoit Claise wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> Please find below the agenda of the November 15th IESG telechat. >> Please send your questions, comments and concerns before Nov 14 COB. >> >> Thanks and Regards, Benoit >> >> ================================================ >> >> INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG) >> Summarized Agenda for the 2012-11-15 IESG Teleconference >> >> This agenda was generated at 2012-11-08 15:10:41 PST >> Up-to-date web version of this agenda can be found at: >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/ >> >> 2. Protocol Actions >> 2.1 WG Submissions >> 2.1.1 New Items >> >> o draft-ietf-v6ops-ra-guard-implementation-05 >> Implementation Advice for IPv6 Router Advertisement Guard (RA-Guard) >> (Best Current Practice) >> Note: Joel Jaeggli (joelja@bogus.com) is the document shepherd. >> Token: Ronald Bonica > I'm a little wierded-out by pete's discuss on this one. > > "why isn't this a proposed standard" > > I guess that question I'd ask is why aren't refinements to an existing > informational draft that are the product of operational experience the > basis for a BCP. I disagree with the assertion that this is new > protocol work from the outset. I brought that up during the telechat, and the IESG feedback was: It is not protocol since it is really just a set of rules for building filters to protect against bad guys sending RAs >> >> o draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-delay-10 >> RTP Control Protocol (RTCP) Extended Report (XR) Block for Delay >> metric Reporting (Proposed Standard) >> Note: Shida Schubert (shida@ntt-at.com) is the Document Shepherd. >> Token: Gonzalo Camarillo >> >> o draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-in-band-signaling-07 >> Multipoint LDP in-band signaling for Point-to-Multipoint and >> Multipoint- to-Multipoint Label Switched Paths (Proposed Standard) >> Note: Loa Andersson (loa@pi.nu) is the document shepherd. >> Token: Adrian Farrel >> >> o draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03 >> Label Switched Path (LSP) Ping for IPv6 Pseudowire FECs (Proposed >> Standard) >> Note: Loa Andersson (loa.andersson@ericsson.com) is the document >> shepherd. >> Token: Adrian Farrel >> >> o draft-ietf-ipfix-a9n-07 >> Flow Aggregation for the IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) Protocol >> (Proposed Standard) >> Note: Nevil Brownlee (n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz) is the document >> shepherd. >> Token: Ronald Bonica >> >> 2.1.2 Returning Items >> >> o draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2671bis-edns0-09 >> Extension Mechanisms for DNS (EDNS(0)) (Internet Standard) >> Note: Olafur Gudmundsson (ogud at ogud.com) is the document >> shepherd. >> Token: Ralph Droms > Oerhaps I'm unreasable but I'd like to see the security considerations > section to take a stab at mitigations for the three described issues > given that those don't leave much to the imagination. I would suggest > that, the statements be non-normative since they likely are not > appropriate for all circumstances. I let Ralph answer that one. Regards, Benoit >> o draft-ietf-pkix-caa-15 >> DNS Certification Authority Authorization (CAA) Resource Record >> (Proposed Standard) >> Note: Steve Kent (kent@bbn.com) is the Document Shepherd. >> Token: Sean Turner >> >> 2.2 Individual Submissions >> 2.2.1 New Items >> >> o draft-leiba-5322upd-from-group-07 >> Update to Internet Message Format to Allow Group Syntax in the >> "From:" and "Sender:" Header Fields (Proposed Standard) >> Token: Pete Resnick >> >> o draft-gont-intarea-obsolete-eid-option-01 >> Obsoleting the Endpoint Identifier (EID) Option (Proposed Standard) >> Note: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE (liljenstolpe@gmail.com) is the >> document shepherd. >> Token: Ronald Bonica >> >> 2.2.2 Returning Items >> >> NONE >> >> 3. Document Actions >> 3.1 WG Submissions >> 3.1.1 New Items >> >> o draft-ietf-bmwg-protection-meth-12 >> Methodology for Benchmarking MPLS-TE Fast Reroute Protection >> (Informational) >> Note: Al Morton (acmorton@att.com) is the document shepherd. >> Token: Ronald Bonica >> >> o draft-ietf-mptcp-api-06 >> MPTCP Application Interface Considerations (Informational) >> Token: Wesley Eddy >> >> o draft-ietf-karp-ospf-analysis-05 >> Analysis of OSPF Security According to KARP Design Guide >> (Informational) >> Note: Brian Weis is the document shepherd. >> Token: Stewart Bryant >> >> 3.1.2 Returning Items >> >> NONE >> >> 3.2 Individual Submissions Via AD >> 3.2.1 New Items >> >> o draft-leiba-extended-doc-shepherd-01 >> Document Shepherding Throughout a Document's Lifecycle >> (Informational) >> Token: Russ Housley >> >> 3.2.2 Returning Items >> >> NONE >> >> 3.3 IRTF and Independent Submission Stream Documents >> 3.3.1 New Items >> >> o conflict-review-secure-cookie-session-protocol-00 >> IETF conflict review for draft-secure-cookie-session-protocol >> draft-secure-cookie-session-protocol-08 >> SCS: Secure Cookie Sessions for HTTP (ISE: Informational) >> Token: Barry Leiba >> >> 3.3.2 Returning Items >> >> NONE >> >> 3.3.3 For Action >> >> o conflict-review-boucadair-mmusic-altc-00 >> IETF conflict review for draft-boucadair-mmusic-altc >> draft-boucadair-mmusic-altc-06 >> Session Description Protocol (SDP) Alternate Connectivity (ALTC) >> Attribute (ISE: Informational) >> Token: Russ Housley >> >> 4. Working Group Actions >> 4.1 WG Creation >> 4.1.1 Proposed for IETF Review >> >> NONE >> >> 4.1.2 Proposed for Approval >> >> NONE >> >> 4.2 WG Rechartering >> 4.2.1 Under Evaluation for IETF Review >> >> NONE >> >> 4.2.2 Proposed for Approval >> >> NONE >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OPS-DIR mailing list >> OPS-DIR@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-dir >> > > From bclaise@cisco.com Fri Nov 23 01:06:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB9821F84D2; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 01:06:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.48 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.48 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.118, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qArgYHQvkxnM; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 01:06:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from av-tac-bru.cisco.com (weird-brew.cisco.com [144.254.15.118]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46ABB21F84BC; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 01:06:09 -0800 (PST) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id qAN8l9Id008060; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 09:47:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.60.67.87] (ams-bclaise-8916.cisco.com [10.60.67.87]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id qAN8l7lE006647; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 09:47:07 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50AF380B.4030505@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 09:47:07 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "aaa-doctors@ietf.org" , "MIB Doctors (E-mail)" , YANG Doctors , "ops-dir@ietf.org" , IETF DNS Directorate References: <20121123030716.19357.15203.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20121123030716.19357.15203.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <20121123030716.19357.15203.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040309030009080408080107" Subject: [dns-dir] Fwd: [IESG-AGENDA-DIST] Summarized Agenda for the 2012-11-29 IESG Teleconference X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 09:06:10 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040309030009080408080107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, Please find below the agenda of the November 29th IESG telechat. Please send your questions, comments and concerns before Nov 28 COB. Thanks and Regards, Benoit -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [IESG-AGENDA-DIST] Summarized Agenda for the 2012-11-29 IESG Teleconference Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 19:07:16 -0800 From: IESG Secretary To: iesg-agenda-dist@ietf.org 2. Protocol Actions 2.1 WG Submissions 2.1.1 New Items o draft-ietf-nfsv4-federated-fs-admin-14 Administration Protocol for Federated Filesystems (Proposed Standard) Note: Spencer Shepler (sshepler@microsoft.com) is the document shepherd. Token: Martin Stiemerling o draft-ietf-nfsv4-federated-fs-protocol-14 NSDB Protocol for Federated Filesystems (Proposed Standard) Note: Spencer Shepler (sshepler@microsoft.com) is the document shepherd. Token: Martin Stiemerling o draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-07 RADIUS Attribute for 6rd (Proposed Standard) Note: Yong Cui (cuiyong@tsinghua.edu.cn) is the Document Shepherd Token: Ralph Droms o draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-05 Representing IPv6 Zone Identifiers in Address Literals and Uniform Resource Identifiers (Proposed Standard) Note: Ole Troan is the document shepherd. Token: Brian Haberman o draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-sipto-option-07 IPv4 Traffic Offload Selector Option for Proxy Mobile IPv6 (Proposed Standard) Note: Basavaraj Patil (bpatil1+ietf@gmail.com) is the document shepherd. Token: Brian Haberman o draft-ietf-imapmove-command-03 Internet Message Access Protocol (IMAP) - MOVE Extension (Proposed Standard) Token: Barry Leiba 2.1.2 Returning Items o draft-ietf-nea-pt-tls-08 PT-TLS: A TLS-based Posture Transport (PT) Protocol (Proposed Standard) Note: Steve Hanna (shanna@juniper.net) is the document shephrd. Token: Stephen Farrell o draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03 Label Switched Path (LSP) Ping for IPv6 Pseudowire FECs (Proposed Standard) Note: Loa Andersson (loa.andersson@ericsson.com) is the document shepherd. Token: Adrian Farrel Was deferred by Stewart Bryant on 2012-11-13 2.2 Individual Submissions 2.2.1 New Items NONE 2.2.2 Returning Items NONE 3. Document Actions 3.1 WG Submissions 3.1.1 New Items NONE 3.1.2 Returning Items NONE 3.2 Individual Submissions Via AD 3.2.1 New Items NONE 3.2.2 Returning Items NONE 3.3 IRTF and Independent Submission Stream Documents 3.3.1 New Items NONE 3.3.2 Returning Items NONE 4. Working Group Actions 4.1 WG Creation 4.1.1 Proposed for IETF Review NONE 4.1.2 Proposed for Approval NONE 4.2 WG Rechartering 4.2.1 Under Evaluation for IETF Review o RADIUS EXTensions (radext) 4.2.2 Proposed for Approval NONE --------------040309030009080408080107 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all,

Please find below the agenda of the November 29th  IESG telechat.
Please send your questions, comments and concerns before Nov 28 COB.

Thanks and Regards, Benoit


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [IESG-AGENDA-DIST] Summarized Agenda for the 2012-11-29 IESG Teleconference
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 19:07:16 -0800
From: IESG Secretary <iesg-secretary@ietf.org>
To: iesg-agenda-dist@ietf.org 



2. Protocol Actions
2.1 WG Submissions
2.1.1 New Items

  o draft-ietf-nfsv4-federated-fs-admin-14
    Administration Protocol for Federated Filesystems (Proposed
    Standard)
    Note: Spencer Shepler (sshepler@microsoft.com) is the document
    shepherd.
    Token: Martin Stiemerling

  o draft-ietf-nfsv4-federated-fs-protocol-14
    NSDB Protocol for Federated Filesystems (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Spencer Shepler (sshepler@microsoft.com) is the document
    shepherd.
    Token: Martin Stiemerling

  o draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-07
    RADIUS Attribute for 6rd (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Yong Cui (cuiyong@tsinghua.edu.cn) is the Document Shepherd
    Token: Ralph Droms

  o draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-05
    Representing IPv6 Zone Identifiers in Address Literals and Uniform
    Resource Identifiers (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Ole Troan is the document shepherd.
    Token: Brian Haberman

  o draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-sipto-option-07
    IPv4 Traffic Offload Selector Option for Proxy Mobile IPv6 (Proposed
    Standard)
    Note: Basavaraj Patil (bpatil1+ietf@gmail.com) is the document
    shepherd.
    Token: Brian Haberman

  o draft-ietf-imapmove-command-03
    Internet Message Access Protocol (IMAP) - MOVE Extension (Proposed
    Standard)
    Token: Barry Leiba

2.1.2 Returning Items

  o draft-ietf-nea-pt-tls-08
    PT-TLS: A TLS-based Posture Transport (PT) Protocol (Proposed
    Standard)
    Note: Steve Hanna (shanna@juniper.net) is the document shephrd.
    Token: Stephen Farrell

  o draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03
    Label Switched Path (LSP) Ping for IPv6 Pseudowire FECs (Proposed
    Standard)
    Note: Loa Andersson (loa.andersson@ericsson.com) is the document
    shepherd.
    Token: Adrian Farrel
    Was deferred by Stewart Bryant on 2012-11-13

2.2 Individual Submissions
2.2.1 New Items

  NONE

2.2.2 Returning Items

  NONE

3. Document Actions
3.1 WG Submissions
3.1.1 New Items

  NONE

3.1.2 Returning Items

  NONE

3.2 Individual Submissions Via AD
3.2.1 New Items

  NONE

3.2.2 Returning Items

  NONE

3.3 IRTF and Independent Submission Stream Documents
3.3.1 New Items

  NONE

3.3.2 Returning Items

  NONE

4. Working Group Actions
4.1 WG Creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF Review

  NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for Approval

  NONE

4.2 WG Rechartering
4.2.1 Under Evaluation for IETF Review

  o RADIUS EXTensions (radext)

4.2.2 Proposed for Approval

  NONE
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