From peter@denic.de Sat Mar 9 13:41:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB52A21F8771 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 13:41:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PgITx3GaAOSd for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 13:41:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from office.denic.de (office.denic.de [IPv6:2a02:568:122:16:1::3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1AD21F8767 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 13:41:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de (x28.fra2.if.denic.de [10.122.64.17]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1UERWX-00059g-A9; Sat, 09 Mar 2013 22:41:49 +0100 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1UERWX-00016N-6e; Sat, 09 Mar 2013 22:41:49 +0100 Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 22:41:49 +0100 From: Peter Koch To: dns-dir@ietf.org, Ted Lemon , joel jaeggli Message-ID: <20130309214149.GI1197@x28.adm.denic.de> Mail-Followup-To: dns-dir@ietf.org, Ted Lemon , joel jaeggli Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Sender: Peter Koch Subject: [dns-dir] DNS directory org/reorg session in Orlando X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2013 21:41:56 -0000 Dear members of teh DNS directorate and incoming OPS/INT ADs, traditionally we've been late in scheduling a session for this upcoming IETF and since the previous occasions showed that dinner/lunch meetings turn out to be suboptimal, I'd like to propose we find a one hour slot to discuss the future setup during the regular meeting times, second half of the week (Wed-Fri). I'd start with Wed 1300, but we can set up a doodle if there's a chance to find a common slot at all. Regards, Peter From dromasca@avaya.com Sun Mar 10 05:14:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E3D21F86B6 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 05:14:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pyp1YT87gguy for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 05:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com (p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com [135.11.29.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00DCE21F86B1 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 05:14:45 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgMFALh+MVGHCzI1/2dsb2JhbABEgma/XoEAFnOCHwEBAQEDAQEBDyg0FwQCAQgNAQMEAQELFAkHJwsUCQgCBAESCBqHcQELpBycPwSObCYSBoJZYQOcXIpSgwiCJw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,766,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="1245699" Received: from unknown (HELO p-us1-erheast.us1.avaya.com) ([135.11.50.53]) by p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 10 Mar 2013 08:14:45 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO AZ-FFEXHC04.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.58.14]) by p-us1-erheast-out.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 10 Mar 2013 08:13:03 -0400 Received: from AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com ([fe80::6db7:b0af:8480:c126]) by AZ-FFEXHC04.global.avaya.com ([135.64.58.14]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 08:14:36 -0400 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: Peter Koch , "dns-dir@ietf.org" , Ted Lemon , joel jaeggli Thread-Topic: [dns-dir] DNS directory org/reorg session in Orlando Thread-Index: AQHOHQ7w5TVgHsWk1USj6ZFxv/Q66pie1z0g Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:14:35 +0000 Message-ID: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA0A5A64@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> References: <20130309214149.GI1197@x28.adm.denic.de> In-Reply-To: <20130309214149.GI1197@x28.adm.denic.de> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.64.58.45] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS directory org/reorg session in Orlando X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:14:46 -0000 FWIW - I am booked on Wednesday at 13:00. Let's Doodle.=20 Regards, Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Peter Koch > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 11:42 PM > To: dns-dir@ietf.org; Ted Lemon; joel jaeggli > Subject: [dns-dir] DNS directory org/reorg session in Orlando >=20 > Dear members of teh DNS directorate and incoming OPS/INT ADs, >=20 > traditionally we've been late in scheduling a session for this upcoming > IETF and since the previous occasions showed that dinner/lunch meetings > turn out to be suboptimal, I'd like to propose we find a one hour slot > to discuss the future setup during the regular meeting times, second > half of the week (Wed-Fri). I'd start with Wed 1300, but we can set up > a doodle if there's a chance to find a common slot at all. >=20 > Regards, > Peter > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From mellon@fugue.com Sun Mar 10 07:56:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CC6721F863C for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 07:56:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LTfIiWIP2rAC for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 07:56:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toccata.fugue.com (toccata.fugue.com [204.152.186.142]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1310421F863A for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 07:56:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-5421.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-5421.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.84.33]) by toccata.fugue.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B10A32380654; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 10:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) From: Ted Lemon In-Reply-To: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA0A5A64@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 10:56:47 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1AADE646-9765-400F-BAB1-40617969B01B@fugue.com> References: <20130309214149.GI1197@x28.adm.denic.de> <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA0A5A64@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 08:03:39 -0700 Cc: joel jaeggli , Peter Koch , "dns-dir@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS directory org/reorg session in Orlando X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 14:56:51 -0000 On Mar 10, 2013, at 8:14 AM, "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" = wrote: > FWIW - I am booked on Wednesday at 13:00. Let's Doodle.=20 Sounds like a good plan. Who's going to set it up? From sa.morris7@googlemail.com Sun Mar 10 08:25:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE27621F8654 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 08:25:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sbhaN7rdef5H for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 08:24:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2820621F8639 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 08:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id um15so2882141pbc.28 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 08:24:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Jhiehh3e1HR8lgteHQ+Ewgvh6r28aIIOrTTCJ10aNkk=; b=oLDh/Lmk1Nc2dmEH1hdhVD7KXGK0XW4Nzs/EhX/sONi42hYpviQpXpJUi7aWv5hXI0 OITzWXHLUVB5OO1JSQHFwbPyYdCmln/Wr2b8kwiphgbIFmy9MnzJCXjL+s/mjzQa0AGM RSWSfcSF0fGOCrSMbmFqW4vc7JIKyI07Q6sVW9P8A2z08xvCr5WlmXUaGtuNhmDCErTy jee/0eh2aFIDBvNdpnOskthIkCAp/JqW/Qg+Crmd4+saYpcxR1mbEC8ihhwNwJsIxc1m O1AKs74TNudLGveJfjPzOw0Omb6CRtWJxZlbsOy5RNc9TyUX9YOWuiq/KEbUNZR6NPwW zT1A== X-Received: by 10.68.244.225 with SMTP id xj1mr16524906pbc.119.1362929095154; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 08:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-1070.meeting.ietf.org ([2001:df8:0:16:531:9f13:e478:3e07]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ql7sm271753pbb.2.2013.03.10.08.24.52 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 10 Mar 2013 08:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <513CA5C1.9050809@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 11:24:49 -0400 From: Stephen Morris User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130216 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Lemon References: <20130309214149.GI1197@x28.adm.denic.de> <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA0A5A64@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> <1AADE646-9765-400F-BAB1-40617969B01B@fugue.com> In-Reply-To: <1AADE646-9765-400F-BAB1-40617969B01B@fugue.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: joel jaeggli , Peter Koch , "dns-dir@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS directory org/reorg session in Orlando X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 15:25:02 -0000 On 10/03/2013 10:56, Ted Lemon wrote: > On Mar 10, 2013, at 8:14 AM, "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" wrote: >> FWIW - I am booked on Wednesday at 13:00. Let's Doodle. > > Sounds like a good plan. Who's going to set it up? I will: http://www.doodle.com/zrkrw8r5epx3ub2k ... broadly covering Wednesday afternoon to Friday morning. No idea as to a location though. Stephen From mellon@fugue.com Sun Mar 10 09:52:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25F1721F8910 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 09:52:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g9MENqSzkm1H for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 09:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toccata.fugue.com (toccata.fugue.com [204.152.186.142]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C983921F8901 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 09:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-5421.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-5421.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.84.33]) by toccata.fugue.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ABA152380C5D; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) From: Ted Lemon In-Reply-To: <20130310160403.GA37514@crankycanuck.ca> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:52:00 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6CFD4009-ED81-4934-91BC-E0389887EF16@fugue.com> References: <20130309214149.GI1197@x28.adm.denic.de> <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA0A5A64@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> <1AADE646-9765-400F-BAB1-40617969B01B@fugue.com> <513CA5C1.9050809@googlemail.com> <20130310160403.GA37514@crankycanuck.ca> To: Andrew Sullivan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: joel jaeggli , Peter Koch , "dns-dir@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS directory org/reorg session in Orlando X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 16:52:09 -0000 On Mar 10, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Andrew Sullivan = wrote: > So I'd like to propose a reorganization in which we look for explcit > reviewer volunteers, and have a performance requirement to give us a > mechanism to remove those participants who are too busy actually to do > the work from the roster. (We have a lot of these.) This sounds fine; if we did this, though, who would actually manage that = process? We're seeing similar issues in the IP directorate; some of = the other directorates are (I have heard) much more formal about this. From ajs@anvilwalrusden.com Sun Mar 10 09:54:21 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA2921F8816 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 09:54:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.84 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.84 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_INFO=1.448, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JS+tR7nLaVeM for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 09:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.yitter.info (ow5p.x.rootbsd.net [208.79.81.114]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA6721F8168 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 09:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crankycanuck.ca (dhcp-2430.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.36.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CE5CA8A031; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 16:54:11 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:53:59 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: Stephen Morris Message-ID: <20130310165359.GB37514@crankycanuck.ca> References: <20130309214149.GI1197@x28.adm.denic.de> <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA0A5A64@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> <1AADE646-9765-400F-BAB1-40617969B01B@fugue.com> <513CA5C1.9050809@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <513CA5C1.9050809@googlemail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: joel jaeggli , Peter Koch , Ted Lemon , "dns-dir@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS directory org/reorg session in Orlando X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 16:54:21 -0000 I guess I would ask what we want to achieve with this meeting. We've had three meetings in a row now where we said that, real soon, we'd have a proposal for a new mode of organization. It appears to be an indicator of either the cycles we have or the relative importance we place on this that no such proposal has come forward (I figure I can make this criticism, since I was one of the people supposed to do the proposing). We're going to have a constitutional problem soon, however, because if DNSEXT isn't closed before the week is out it will be next week. So two ex-officio members will in principle disappear. What would we like from the directorate? It seems to me that the thing we have most fallen down on -- ensuring that people are tracking work that has DNS consequences -- is the thing most urgently needed. So I'd like to propose a reorganization in which we look for explcit reviewer volunteers, and have a performance requirement to give us a mechanism to remove those participants who are too busy actually to do the work from the roster. (We have a lot of these.) The directorate could also function as the expert pool from which we select experts for RRTYPE and EDNS0 OPT code assignments. If people like this idea, then if we're going to meet I'd like to talk about people we'd want to approach to be on the directorate. A On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:24:49AM -0400, Stephen Morris wrote: > On 10/03/2013 10:56, Ted Lemon wrote: > > On Mar 10, 2013, at 8:14 AM, "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" wrote: > >> FWIW - I am booked on Wednesday at 13:00. Let's Doodle. > > > > Sounds like a good plan. Who's going to set it up? > > I will: > > http://www.doodle.com/zrkrw8r5epx3ub2k > > ... broadly covering Wednesday afternoon to Friday morning. No idea as > to a location though. > > Stephen > > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@crankycanuck.ca From sa.morris7@googlemail.com Tue Mar 12 08:49:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8581A21F88D6 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 08:49:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rg4lveMDipxO for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 08:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-da0-x229.google.com (mail-da0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::229]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA2ED21F87F6 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 08:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-da0-f41.google.com with SMTP id j17so1320839dan.0 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 08:49:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=TmrkvEu/qk4JJgwxM8mSIfislYX4h1AM3jxaO8Wmx08=; b=nQ4lttz9SFy9FMhiSbrB43aZP4EO32QHwK/8okSTR4PXoGZconfnFngpmWyfbCo4Av NsI1xY4qWlxMQxqXkPQhsCXHMyaWdrmQpksNUp6FACiKVayROqh0yahYH+JKHSfj4h38 sv2xvKS91z+fvgSbwzuxMilkOiKWwSuZRA3Av+SxpcxldAmdcOnQcmY0ffVTbAG42Jgt AudUTky8Nv+duVofcm7eza8oZ4tBg8SfnGWClrqf+MKcVtqUacr6adsKfEb6LkK1+nQN /B5YsA2wgZ08BJ/78b9hOYW4TPl10lq+nbbXyzAkBBW3z4iFRGt0E/G5YVbcFC+2SdOm 8Wig== X-Received: by 10.68.25.201 with SMTP id e9mr37709832pbg.145.1363103370599; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 08:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-1070.meeting.ietf.org ([2001:df8:0:16:ad51:b91d:61ec:9087]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id kb3sm25538129pbc.21.2013.03.12.08.49.28 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Mar 2013 08:49:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <513F4E88.5080609@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 11:49:28 -0400 From: Stephen Morris User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130216 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dns-dir@ietf.org References: <20130309214149.GI1197@x28.adm.denic.de> In-Reply-To: <20130309214149.GI1197@x28.adm.denic.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS directory org/reorg session in Orlando X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 15:49:31 -0000 We've had seven entries on the Doodle poll: http://www.doodle.com/zrkrw8r5epx3ub2k ... and the only time that everyone can manage is 3pm - 4pm tomorrow, Wednesday 13 March. I suggest we go for that. Where shall we meet? Stephen From bclaise@cisco.com Tue Mar 12 09:09:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A6C21F86DD for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:09:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.44 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.44 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.159, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PQhQr8RbmxME for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from av-tac-rtp.cisco.com (av-tac-rtp.cisco.com [64.102.19.209]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBDF121F8667 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:09:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from rooster.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-rtp.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r2CG9HVB013705; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.86.245.134] ([10.86.245.134]) by rooster.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r2CG9HY6010125; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <513F532C.6040506@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:09:16 -0400 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Morris References: <20130309214149.GI1197@x28.adm.denic.de> <513F4E88.5080609@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <513F4E88.5080609@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: dns-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS directory org/reorg session in Orlando X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:09:20 -0000 Proceed without me. This week is just crazy. Regards, Benoit > We've had seven entries on the Doodle poll: > > http://www.doodle.com/zrkrw8r5epx3ub2k > > ... and the only time that everyone can manage is 3pm - 4pm tomorrow, > Wednesday 13 March. I suggest we go for that. > > Where shall we meet? > > Stephen > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir > > From liman@netnod.se Tue Mar 12 09:43:08 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A325E11E80E3 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:43:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.35 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.35 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_LOCALHOST=0.457, HELO_LOCALHOST=3.941, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zuW3sL27DMq8 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cafax.se (mail.cafax.se [IPv6:2a00:801:11:53::4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A786511E80D3 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([130.129.129.246]) by mail.cafax.se (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r2CGh2cK016447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Mar 2013 17:43:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from ziptop.autonomica.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by localhost (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r2CGh1Rw084531; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:43:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Lars-Johan Liman To: Stephen Morris References: <20130309214149.GI1197@x28.adm.denic.de> <513F4E88.5080609@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:43:01 -0400 In-Reply-To: <513F4E88.5080609@googlemail.com> (Stephen Morris's message of "Tue, 12 Mar 2013 11:49:28 -0400") Message-ID: <224ngg7ene.fsf@ziptop.autonomica.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130004 (Ma Gnus v0.4) Emacs/23.1 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: dns-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS directory org/reorg session in Orlando X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:43:08 -0000 sa.morris7@googlemail.com: > ... and the only time that everyone can manage is 3pm - 4pm tomorrow, > Wednesday 13 March. I suggest we go for that. That works for me. > Where shall we meet? Isn't there an IAOC, IAB, IESG, ... room that we can borrow for an hour? Ralf, Andrew, Peter ... ? Cheers, /Liman From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Tue Mar 12 09:51:00 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B08011E809C for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:50:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.084 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.084 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IP_ADDR=1.119, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g+g0IrMMrohr for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ia0-x231.google.com (mail-ia0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c02::231]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E6811E8102 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ia0-f177.google.com with SMTP id y25so44552iay.22 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:50:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to; bh=gkmOkPJ/FIr/ADk3MeKNKR1sQ81GnMrY4j5++1wNGHs=; b=JEqtyn34cw1nHz6zQwNw0KZcxF8P34Wzhjd5PQ+u5OdfuU03ZjC5uWBSWLURqdOs03 fLs+g/zofbpVZchp0S0rKWIkAsq1Q27CYQhBTZqdw8DmmmsTTpV2UPed0IrA2IewF/xw 28YVcid6zNReqU5kSOLS36eQKSfyg1XNeMWBOjGjpzXnwoSpAjnX5DQKohGdV9eQrdF0 NhZqr/+56j016BprbSCSqYn/u7lWuI1WC1mqrDmBmaXW9Fg1HjVCT7vpZlKUrtYZs4/i mJy/Gy7+YjnHq5dRuJsUDOOyNbatRZoaVeydB2bsrwgZCZpcwl1k5ar6Tf5wOBjfUw09 0hsQ== X-Received: by 10.50.153.198 with SMTP id vi6mr12512659igb.112.1363107050586; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.16.77] (dhcp-104d.meeting.ietf.org. [130.129.16.77]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s8sm22370021igs.0.2013.03.12.09.50.48 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:50:49 -0700 (PDT) References: <20130309214149.GI1197@x28.adm.denic.de> <513F4E88.5080609@googlemail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: <513F4E88.5080609@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9377106F-B3CD-4F16-925F-020EBD0397E4@gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B146) From: Ralph Droms Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:50:47 -0400 To: Stephen Morris Cc: "dns-dir@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS directory org/reorg session in Orlando X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:51:00 -0000 I think I will be able to attend; might have to leave a few minutes early. Waiting to hear where to meet... - Ralph On Mar 12, 2013, at 11:49 AM, Stephen Morris wro= te: > We've had seven entries on the Doodle poll: >=20 > http://www.doodle.com/zrkrw8r5epx3ub2k >=20 > ... and the only time that everyone can manage is 3pm - 4pm tomorrow, > Wednesday 13 March. I suggest we go for that. >=20 > Where shall we meet? >=20 > Stephen > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From ogud@ogud.com Tue Mar 12 10:05:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D0611E80D2 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:05:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.265 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.265 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9nMXfbu-O5Ij for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:05:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp154.dfw.emailsrvr.com (smtp154.dfw.emailsrvr.com [67.192.241.154]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A91C11E80D1 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:05:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp32.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E61AA50962; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:05:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp32.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: ogud-AT-ogud.com) with ESMTPSA id 9AD6F50965; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) From: Olafur Gudmundsson In-Reply-To: <513F4E88.5080609@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:05:42 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20130309214149.GI1197@x28.adm.denic.de> <513F4E88.5080609@googlemail.com> To: Stephen Morris X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: dns-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS directory org/reorg session in Orlando X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 17:05:42 -0000 Proceed w/o me conflict with Measurment BOF.=20 Olafur On Mar 12, 2013, at 11:49 AM, Stephen Morris = wrote: > We've had seven entries on the Doodle poll: >=20 > http://www.doodle.com/zrkrw8r5epx3ub2k >=20 > ... and the only time that everyone can manage is 3pm - 4pm tomorrow, > Wednesday 13 March. I suggest we go for that. >=20 > Where shall we meet? >=20 > Stephen > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Tue Mar 12 10:11:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AEFD1F0C6D for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:11:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.14 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.14 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.459, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AcPwPHO+8RDV for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qe0-f51.google.com (mail-qe0-f51.google.com [209.85.128.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D81F1F0C36 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f51.google.com with SMTP id nd7so43957qeb.24 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:11:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=aG/pU1YI2zy8ifcBLxlvNDUOgJHuKfOFmZYc3eishsc=; b=ZhfKNEXIWrPMaPFNlgXmk/xO7g/0DD+9wzUD7a6RzijzOE3ZtqAgYYUzQJNBWFySOP e4rNMWKoIYKqPGBGFwzRts0Np7N4Z4dG0+fYjiwHfw0vd0SM8Fh523kz15foEvaiesCR 0ZoVQI7TPCtdciN4mewaJqrmYV2NjPxtZXNI+k9lhA49ghqiQ+H2yDVebxCHSLRZqpNW W0CChOVx8n+wgBBMyIKgHVe3UT7R5as1aUr5Nc05X/kVCbBn8IFzfIU84E88lMPDO9be /S1+vnnOR8GNWY5X1I7lizW3O0jr+5P8Na/zLOK3vWveESYn+cDgP40qiSIuvv3W//V6 iWFg== X-Received: by 10.49.53.33 with SMTP id y1mr26848656qeo.63.1363108267580; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.86.247.103] (198-135-0-233.cisco.com. [198.135.0.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dy3sm2637367qab.13.2013.03.12.10.11.05 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) From: Ralph Droms In-Reply-To: <513F4E88.5080609@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:11:03 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20130309214149.GI1197@x28.adm.denic.de> <513F4E88.5080609@googlemail.com> To: Stephen Morris X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: dns-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS directory org/reorg session in Orlando X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 17:11:09 -0000 On Mar 12, 2013, at 11:49 AM 3/12/13, Stephen Morris = wrote: > We've had seven entries on the Doodle poll: >=20 > http://www.doodle.com/zrkrw8r5epx3ub2k >=20 > ... and the only time that everyone can manage is 3pm - 4pm tomorrow, > Wednesday 13 March. I suggest we go for that. >=20 > Where shall we meet? It looks like the IESG breakout room, Boca 3, is available for this = meeting. I'll sign up for it; please confirm you'd like to use it. - Ralph >=20 > Stephen > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From sa.morris7@googlemail.com Tue Mar 12 10:27:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F52F1F0D09 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:27:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.294 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.294 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.306, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lenk5IORjQle for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:27:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-x229.google.com (mail-ie0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::229]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3F8E1F0D08 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:27:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 13so133793iea.28 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:27:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=lhdFXhrcdrKaObY1HQm3DAjGyL8juyBmwFTSCZ//jD4=; b=IBa+c79khRNGQo6f8FByMOgoBr16IaXKB5r3S2qj4uQYmo5p9Isx3QSkqPzUDtia9+ Qv71wQWPWxbzQuqZ5rZ5cKWk99mupLyaNNZY8fk/FSCCH9h8SpQQ9hUAEearN45NzufY Tdl4vwQEJrktgS+BI+oBTC0ZlRNwI/3QcOmeDaMFDHkbOPJZRARQDISpQB6QUeQOGpc+ dv9VLMLT1yJYDbNcvV+lfpTL9JYXzZ6CAzeV3EDzMYPB/ZT/gfYtWrZaCM72TIxjAFYP 9wWy/HCcKHWrHLFzBmMcsOqBJzUyPD0bQzfStG0uNjKKX1xLs4PIWOlL1+jxysmbO3VI ko2w== X-Received: by 10.42.58.67 with SMTP id g3mr13178215ich.56.1363109246453; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:27:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-1070.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-1070.meeting.ietf.org. [130.129.16.112]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id wx2sm22536560igb.4.2013.03.12.10.27.25 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <513F657C.9080409@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:27:24 -0400 From: Stephen Morris User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130216 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ralph Droms References: <20130309214149.GI1197@x28.adm.denic.de> <513F4E88.5080609@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: dns-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS directory org/reorg session in Orlando X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 17:27:31 -0000 On 12/03/2013 13:11, Ralph Droms wrote: > > It looks like the IESG breakout room, Boca 3, is available for this > meeting. I'll sign up for it; please confirm you'd like to use > it. We have seven people who say they can attend, so let's got for it. DNS Directorate Meeting 15:00 - 16:00 Wednesday 13 March 2013 Boca 3 Stephen From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Tue Mar 12 10:28:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC1111E80ED for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:28:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.878 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.878 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.032, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d550FAqY0UM8 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:28:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qc0-x22a.google.com (mail-qc0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22a]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C13D011E80D5 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id d42so41676qca.1 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:28:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=K9ef7JHaagM9/zVqJpnOx4Hs4kdR42eaSPN6hibdiXc=; b=tm3iUsv2itoYbaXIgBu4fpFtjKMmTUZFG7DYnuqf2FwLGqEmmO2sQT+mOZjDCGz1LY gPueyGKxAkPD8cnSgXpBXWbmHko8btRq4ubAWCsapOiDdHc4SX1hfH9wCQ/2ALzg5GVo l48FIvHz+VkeWttmQRngIQJ4340UBrT9Mli98AKcKC/lXhCccvR8M/lDc8cEcbY19qlz OQbJOAWf6DaruMCVZ37MflgX2kAmhVzlyfOqcM1y77UPBQWGfJA1O01+xuCm+cgtAc+n 89jl8V+jq5RjIL+IO1wl4dhgxIp4PTbuH9fs+iaPMSpFE872QXMOVZ+k57EH6UeUv7Us d+9g== X-Received: by 10.224.39.146 with SMTP id g18mr24088340qae.2.1363109317233; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.86.247.103] (198-135-0-233.cisco.com. [198.135.0.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dt10sm32670453qab.0.2013.03.12.10.28.35 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) From: Ralph Droms In-Reply-To: <513F657C.9080409@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:28:32 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20130309214149.GI1197@x28.adm.denic.de> <513F4E88.5080609@googlemail.com> <513F657C.9080409@googlemail.com> To: Stephen Morris X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: "dns-dir@ietf.org DNS Directorate" Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS directory org/reorg session in Orlando X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 17:28:42 -0000 On Mar 12, 2013, at 1:27 PM 3/12/13, Stephen Morris = wrote: > On 12/03/2013 13:11, Ralph Droms wrote: >>=20 >> It looks like the IESG breakout room, Boca 3, is available for this >> meeting. I'll sign up for it; please confirm you'd like to use >> it. >=20 > We have seven people who say they can attend, so let's got for it. Done. See you then. - Ralph >=20 > DNS Directorate Meeting > 15:00 - 16:00 > Wednesday 13 March 2013 > Boca 3 >=20 >=20 > Stephen >=20 >=20 From bclaise@cisco.com Fri Mar 22 05:39:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD2F21F8A53; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 05:39:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.363 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.363 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.236, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3NtWCtMzUulH; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 05:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from av-tac-bru.cisco.com (weird-brew.cisco.com [144.254.15.118]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A5721F8AB8; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 05:39:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r2MCdisx029396; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:39:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.60.67.84] (ams-bclaise-8913.cisco.com [10.60.67.84]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r2MCdSCr008292; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:39:38 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <514C50E1.6000603@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:38:57 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "aaa-doctors@ietf.org" , "MIB Doctors (E-mail)" , YANG Doctors , "ops-dir@ietf.org" , IETF DNS Directorate References: <20130321212609.30536.78230.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20130321212609.30536.78230.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <20130321212609.30536.78230.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [dns-dir] Fwd: [IESG-AGENDA-DIST] Summarized Agenda for the 2013-03-28 IESG Teleconference X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:39:50 -0000 Dear all, Please find below the agenda of the March 28th IESG telechat. Please send your questions, comments and concerns before March 27th COB. Thanks and Regards, Benoit -------- Original Message -------- INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG) Summarized Agenda for the 2013-03-28 IESG Teleconference This agenda was generated at 2013-03-21 14:23:54 PDT Up-to-date web version of this agenda can be found at: http://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/ 2. Protocol Actions 2.1 WG Submissions 2.1.1 New Items o draft-ietf-tsvwg-byte-pkt-congest-09 - IETF stream Byte and Packet Congestion Notification (Best Current Practice) Note: Gorry Fairhurst (gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk) is the document shepherd. Token: Martin Stiemerling IANA Review: IANA - Review Needed Consensus: Unknown o draft-ietf-forces-lfb-lib-11 - IETF stream ForCES Logical Function Block (LFB) Library (Proposed Standard) Token: Adrian Farrel IANA Review: IANA - Review Needed Consensus: Unknown o draft-ietf-mpls-gach-adv-06 - IETF stream MPLS Generic Associated Channel (G-ACh) Advertisement Protocol (Proposed Standard) Note: Loa Andersson (loa@pi.nu) is the document shepherd Token: Adrian Farrel IANA Review: IANA - Review Needed Consensus: Yes o draft-ietf-appsawg-acct-uri-03 - IETF stream The 'acct' URI Scheme (Proposed Standard) Note: Salvatore Loreto (salvatore.loreto@ericsson.com) is the document shepherd. Token: Barry Leiba IANA Review: IANA - Review Needed Consensus: Unknown 2.1.2 Returning Items NONE 2.2 Individual Submissions 2.2.1 New Items NONE 2.2.2 Returning Items NONE 3. Document Actions 3.1 WG Submissions 3.1.1 New Items o draft-ietf-mpls-tp-use-cases-and-design-07 - IETF stream MPLS-TP Applicability; Use Cases and Design (Informational) Note: Loa Andersson (loa@pi.nu) is the document shepherd. Token: Adrian Farrel IANA Review: IANA - Review Needed Consensus: Unknown o draft-ietf-roll-security-threats-01 - IETF stream A Security Threat Analysis for Routing over Low-Power and Lossy Networks (Informational) Note: JP Vasseur (jpv@cisco.com) is the document shepherd. Token: Adrian Farrel IANA Review: IANA - Review Needed Consensus: Yes o draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis-03 - IETF stream OSPF Stub Router Advertisement (Informational) Note: Abhay Roy (akr@cisco.com) is the document shepherd. Token: Stewart Bryant IANA Review: IANA - Review Needed Consensus: Unknown 3.1.2 Returning Items NONE 3.2 Individual Submissions Via AD 3.2.1 New Items o draft-laurie-pki-sunlight-09 - IETF stream Certificate Transparency (Experimental) Token: Stephen Farrell IANA Review: IANA - Review Needed Consensus: Yes 3.2.2 Returning Items o draft-cardenas-dff-10 - IETF stream Depth-First Forwarding in Unreliable Networks (DFF) (Experimental) Note: Document Shepherd: Geoff Mulligan (geoff.ietf@mulligan.com) Token: Ted Lemon IANA Review: IANA - Review Needed Consensus: Unknown Was deferred by Adrian Farrel on 2013-02-25 3.3 IRTF and Independent Submission Stream Documents 3.3.1 New Items NONE 3.3.2 Returning Items NONE 4. Working Group Actions 4.1 WG Creation 4.1.1 Proposed for IETF Review NONE 4.1.2 Proposed for Approval NONE 4.2 WG Rechartering 4.2.1 Under Evaluation for IETF Review o Hypertext Transfer Protocol Authentication (httpauth) 4.2.2 Proposed for Approval NONE From brian@innovationslab.net Thu Mar 28 15:01:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F22C21F8ED6 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:01:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.669 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.669 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.930, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S1DYHBP1PzmH for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uillean.fuaim.com (uillean.fuaim.com [206.197.161.140]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159BD21F8ECD for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clairseach.fuaim.com (clairseach-high.fuaim.com [206.197.161.158]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by uillean.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3098880F5; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clemson.local (c-69-140-213-249.hsd1.md.comcast.net [69.140.213.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by clairseach.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4472714000C; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5154BDB1.6090208@innovationslab.net> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 18:01:21 -0400 From: Brian Haberman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF DNS Directorate Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Ted Lemon , Martin Stiemerling Subject: [dns-dir] Review request X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:01:19 -0000 Hi all, The ALTO WG is considering the adoption of a draft focused on the discovery of an ALTO server using DNS (but not SRV records). Martin (TSV AD) has requested an early DNS Directorate review. Could I get a volunteer (or two) to review the draft for DNS sanity? https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kist-alto-3pdisc/ Regards, Brian From ogud@ogud.com Fri Mar 29 07:13:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA94421F942A for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:13:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BqYHacyrkWSx for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp98.ord1c.emailsrvr.com (smtp98.ord1c.emailsrvr.com [108.166.43.98]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34F6C21F9429 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp5.relay.ord1c.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A36281B00E7; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:13:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp5.relay.ord1c.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: ogud-AT-ogud.com) with ESMTPSA id 638EA1B009C; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) From: Olafur Gudmundsson In-Reply-To: <5154BDB1.6090208@innovationslab.net> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:13:37 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <171C1602-F6CC-4A29-B5CA-EDB44B247995@ogud.com> References: <5154BDB1.6090208@innovationslab.net> To: Brian Haberman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) Cc: Martin Stiemerling , IETF DNS Directorate , Ted Lemon Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Review request X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:13:37 -0000 I reviewed the document and this is a well written clear document with = some deficiencies. The introduction is real good at explaining what the document is = attempting. The procedure(s) proposed are based of the implicit assumption that = provisioning of reverse DNS is =20 somehow related to service provision for another protocol, which may or = may not be the case.=20 Question #1: How is dual stack handled in queries?=20 in sequence or in parallel ?=20 if sequence which one first ?=20 Question #2 What about hosts with multiple links?=20 The procedures expect hope to get back PTR records and the name in the = PTR record=20 is used for further lookups. (good)=20 The fundamental question is are all attempts to find PTR exhausted = before going to next step?=20 Question #3: what about the case when there are multiple PTR records in = the answer?=20 If the lookup fails the procedure hopes to find SOA record in the = negative answer,=20 extracts from the SOA record the name of the "Master DNS server" MNAME,=20= and uses that name to do further lookups.=20 Comment #1: Master DNS servers are not always reachable, as they are = hidden masters or=20 traffic protected. Frequently there is no correlation between the zone = name and the Mname I did a randomly selected reverse lookup on 185.55.55.55=20 185.in-addr.arpa. 3600 IN SOA pri.authdns.ripe.net. = dns.ripe.net. =85=85. In this case it is obvious (to a human) the SOA is useless and the = algorithm should terminate,=20 what the procedure as specified will do is to cause many queries to the = RIR name servers for lots of names that have=20 no PTR records and no delegations.=20 Question #4: Why MNAME but not the owner name of the SOA ? (explain or = point to explanation)=20 Question #5: What is the point of the explicit SOA query for reverse = name and why do editors expect to get a different answer than in the PTR = question ? Section #4:=20 there is no mention about the expected extra traffic to RIR (and or ISP) = DNS server when the PTR lookup fails,=20 I would like to see some text on how to abort the algorithms early I.e.=20= SOA present --- useful SOA ---> do lookup=20 +-------- useless SOA ---> algorithm failed=20 This boat has probably sailed but I will ask it anyway:=20 Question #6 Why not place the NAPTR records in the reverse tree?=20 Editing comment: It would be helpful if the text from section 3 bullet 1 = about what address to look up was included in section 2 before the=20 diagrams of the algorithms (or at least pointer to address selection).=20= Olafur=20 On Mar 28, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Brian Haberman = wrote: > Hi all, > The ALTO WG is considering the adoption of a draft focused on the = discovery of an ALTO server using DNS (but not SRV records). Martin = (TSV AD) has requested an early DNS Directorate review. Could I get a = volunteer (or two) to review the draft for DNS sanity? >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kist-alto-3pdisc/ >=20 > Regards, > Brian > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir