Return-Path: X-Original-To: mdnsext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mdnsext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B5A221F86D3 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 06:06:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.143 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.143 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.833, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nuBuYilDddCh for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 06:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oa0-f54.google.com (mail-oa0-f54.google.com [209.85.219.54]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC4C21F86B2 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 06:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id n12so405796oag.27 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 06:06:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ioMcunD60u/T+aA4BFuEwZZplosPD+k1UMZXqRhgtL8=; b=Xjq8yKUoZugT6k1Df/neVc9OvYBTz9Fv62hbS8z1MIulmBYXuYPDkxsycYkzi+LfGM slOZakbZf39juBtkQ82urqwk3gLA8wgbbVTgmyQp5pnx1q01lNMfwoVLvfgfIuZHrcY2 92zWcuog+ywRLQrDrObXI2pS0QdOqcCjGvs1Sdhxmte+HFZRqtfmI7Yh+1g2ysfhohln hVbcdHIM9uOxh4E3yx8sLlxEDzL9CZysDWqLsDmQ+Kvh02/1bnbCYqeFsEw4h9Z/3rmA /bPC9X00vXrRlzlqAD5R9G4kg3rUs4704H/F8R/mcXwddk6pViU7SqR8dA68BYXrJli8 Iv1A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.98.109 with SMTP id eh13mr1225238obb.50.1363698411195; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 06:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Sender: kerlyn2001@gmail.com Received: by 10.60.4.233 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 06:06:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51479D93.4040607@umn.edu> References: <51479D93.4040607@umn.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 09:06:51 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: WetkP4NCqSNFqhP8TAE9zjSAuiY Message-ID: From: Kerry Lynn To: David Farmer Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93a15c361544e04d846c76b Cc: mdnsext@ietf.org Subject: Re: [mdnsext] Informal mdnsext "Bar BoF" at IETF 86, Mon 3/11 X-BeenThere: mdnsext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to Bonjour \(mDNS and DNS-SD\) for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 13:06:52 -0000 --14dae93a15c361544e04d846c76b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi David, et al. On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 7:04 PM, David Farmer wrote: > Was there a successful "Bar Bof" for mdnsext at IETF 86. Minutes from a > Bar Bof is most definitely expecting too much. > > Yes, I think it was very helpful from a level-setting perspective. The meeting was was attended by Stuart, myself, Peter Van Der Stok, Anders Brandt, Dave Taht, Jim Gettys, and others. But, were there any discussions or conclusions worth reporting? Is a > working group proposal moving forward? > > Focusing on the tactical, we discussed and approved the current framing of the problem statement. This is roughly the task of defining one or more proposed standards for DNS- based naming and service discovery that fill the gap between the extrema of zero-conf mDNS and fully-managed global DNS. The use cases will be laid out on a spectrum of increasing administrative cost (where the cost must be weighed against the benefits). LLNs (i.e. multi-link subnets) must be considered in any proposed solution. Stuart also described his hybrid proxy solution and I think there's a good understanding of it now amongst this core group. I would be very happy to see a prototype running in Berlin. You may have seen the writeup that Stuart posted regarding how DNS-SD works with a conventional DNS infrastructure. I have been experimenting with AppleTV and will post a solution that can be deployed on campus at once, albeit with some administration required. I'll start working on the next requirements draft later this week based on the excellent comments by you and others so yes, we should have plenty of time to line up our ducks before the next IETF. I'm hoping we can pick up some of the enthusiastic criticism that was appearing over on the homenet list. One area where we still need work is on the security section; what are the new security issues raised by the use cases and how do we deal with them? I need to verify this, but I believe Ralph Droms will be replaced by Ted Lemon as the responsible AD going forward. Most important did you drink any good beer? Hope you drank one for me. :) > > Oh, we probably drank more than one for you. We were captives at the hotel (it being surrounded by swamps and alligators) and so were somewhat constrained regarding drafts that could be considered. I settled on Yuengling, which I always thought was Chinese for some reason, but I stand corrected ;-) Regards, -K- Thanks > > -- > ==============================**================== > David Farmer Email: farmer@umn.edu > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 > ==============================**================== > --14dae93a15c361544e04d846c76b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi David, et al.

On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 7:04 PM, David Farmer <farmer= @umn.edu> wrote:
Was there a successful "Bar Bof" for mdnsext at IETF 86. =A0Minut= es from a Bar Bof is most definitely expecting too much.

Yes, I think it was very helpful from a level-setting= perspective.=A0 The meeting was=A0 was
attended by Stuart, myself, Pete= r Van Der Stok, Anders Brandt, Dave Taht, Jim Gettys,
and others.
But, were there any discussions or conclusions worth reporting? =A0Is a wor= king group proposal moving forward?

Focusing on the tactical, we discussed and approved t= he current framing of the problem
statement.=A0 This is roughly the task= of defining one or more proposed standards for DNS-
based naming and se= rvice discovery that fill the gap between the extrema of zero-conf
mDNS and fully-managed global DNS.=A0 The use cases will be laid out on a s= pectrum of
increasing administrative cost (where the cost must be weigh= ed against the benefits).
LLNs (i.e. multi-link subnets) must be conside= red in any proposed solution.

Stuart also described his hybrid proxy solution and I think there's= a good understanding
of it now amongst this core group.=A0 I would be v= ery happy to see a prototype running in
Berlin.=A0 You may have seen the= writeup that Stuart posted regarding how DNS-SD works
with a conventional DNS infrastructure.=A0 I have been experimenting with A= ppleTV and will
post a solution that can be deployed on campus at once, = albeit with some administration
required.

I'll start working = on the next requirements draft later this week based on the excellent
comments by you and others so yes, we should have plenty of time to line up= our ducks
before the next IETF.=A0 I'm hoping we can pick up some o= f the enthusiastic criticism that
was appearing over on the homenet list= .=A0 One area where we still need work is on the
security section; what are the new security issues raised by the use cases = and how do
we deal with them?

I need to verify this, but I believ= e Ralph Droms will be replaced by Ted Lemon as the
responsible AD going = forward.

Most important did you drink any good beer? =A0Hope you drank one for me. := )

Oh, we probably drank more than one for you.=A0 We we= re captives at the hotel (it being
surrounded by swamps and alligators) = and so were somewhat constrained regarding
drafts that could be consider= ed.=A0 I settled on Yuengling, which I always thought was
Chinese for some reason, but I stand corrected ;-)

Regards, -K-
<= br>
Thanks

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 23:05:12 -0000 Was there a successful "Bar Bof" for mdnsext at IETF 86. Minutes from a Bar Bof is most definitely expecting too much. But, were there any discussions or conclusions worth reporting? Is a working group proposal moving forward? Most important did you drink any good beer? Hope you drank one for me. :) Thanks -- ================================================ David Farmer Email: farmer@umn.edu Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================ Return-Path: X-Original-To: mdnsext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mdnsext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84BA811E814E for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 07:21:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ONzdEYFKcByB for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 07:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-out.apple.com (mail-out.apple.com [17.151.62.50]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 017CB11E8141 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 07:21:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from relay4.apple.com ([17.128.113.87]) by mail-out.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTP id <0MJN00648MJX88P1@mail-out.apple.com> for mdnsext@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 07:21:44 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807157-b7fe56d00000700c-a6-5141dcf7edc1 Received: from [17.153.26.213] (Unknown_Domain [17.153.26.213]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay4.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id FA.96.28684.8FCD1415; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 07:21:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Sweet In-reply-to: <16853.1363268365@sandelman.ca> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 10:21:43 -0400 Message-id: References: <4D59FB04-50A3-4FF6-B8B7-E222C1623A32@apple.com> <16853.1363268365@sandelman.ca> To: Michael Richardson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrFLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUiOFPqqu6PO46BBjfbjSx6DvWzW5xccorJ 4si3WAdmj60nf7B5LFnyk8mjZc4e5gDmKC6blNSczLLUIn27BK6Mjh2rWAtaOSrmb93E3MC4 n62LkZNDQsBE4sPLTiYIW0ziwr31YHEhgV4miQ+vDLsYOTiEBTwkjp82AwnzCuhJXPv2lR3E ZhbQkrjx7yVYK5uAmsTvSX2sIDangI7E356lYDaLgKrEuRfzGCHqlSVWTLvBBGFrSyxb+JoZ YqaNxPad+6HWxkjseLgSbL4I0K7lR54xQpwmK/H6+RuWCYz8s5CcMQvJGbOQjF3AyLyKUaAo NSex0kQvsaAgJ1UvOT93EyMoBBsKw3cw/ltmdYhRgINRiYd3R4dDoBBrYllxZe4hRgkOZiUR Xk8vx0Ah3pTEyqrUovz4otKc1OJDjNIcLErivBs67AOFBNITS1KzU1MLUotgskwcnFINjJOX LZ+8aUavbMfbqZXH/kS5MOid9bzC5RoQdIHVgDN0jkrrnlepL6I8DarOKd1M4b8g+qRi+oaL 33Yqpk9gN1h7ZnKwxLR/bq3uD+2nXJqVf+dd075tay4LBkYF/ZhV0+EbZPKIQfnc1atKKbnH JWb2LznAd7WH1Sk46fsOv0kXLm7mXHD1aagSS3FGoqEWc1FxIgC7U2nTPQIAAA== Cc: IETF mdnsext Subject: Re: [mdnsext] Wide Area DNS-Based Service Discovery walkthrough X-BeenThere: mdnsext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to Bonjour \(mDNS and DNS-SD\) for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:21:45 -0000 Michael, On 2013-03-14, at 9:39 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Thanks for that writeup. > > Is there some way for an OSX box to learn what vendor specific printer drivers > to load from SD? I assume that OSX can also do the generic thing too? Part of the whole discovery process gets the TXT record for the service which provides things like make-and-model, product string, etc. OS X uses that to locate an appropriate driver. Also in that TXT record is a priority for the protocol - LPD (_printer), AppSocket (_pdl-datastream), and IPP (_ipp) are the common ones. OS X queries the TXT record for each of the supported print protocols and uses the priority value to choose which protocol to use. The priority value is set by the manufacturer and is sometimes available as a configuration option in the printer's web interface... _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair Return-Path: X-Original-To: mdnsext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mdnsext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F70A11E8124 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 06:39:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.288 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.288 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9vrKdMRrUypx for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 06:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [176.58.120.209]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 245FC11E8123 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 06:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (unknown [130.129.16.118]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DC4022066 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:39:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sandelman.ca (quigon.sandelman.ca [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C267ACA0C7 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 09:39:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: IETF mdnsext In-reply-to: <4D59FB04-50A3-4FF6-B8B7-E222C1623A32@apple.com> References: <4D59FB04-50A3-4FF6-B8B7-E222C1623A32@apple.com> Comments: In-reply-to Stuart Cheshire message dated "Wed, 13 Mar 2013 21:55:20 -0700." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.3; nmh 1.3; XEmacs 21.4 (patch 22) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 09:39:25 -0400 Message-ID: <16853.1363268365@sandelman.ca> Sender: mcr@sandelman.ca Subject: Re: [mdnsext] Wide Area DNS-Based Service Discovery walkthrough X-BeenThere: mdnsext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to Bonjour \(mDNS and DNS-SD\) for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:39:30 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for that writeup. Is there some way for an OSX box to learn what vendor specific printer driv= ers to load from SD? I assume that OSX can also do the generic thing too? =2D-=20 Michael Richardson =2Don the road- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAABAgAGBQJRQdMMAAoJEKD0KQ7Gj3P288EH/2blBNVZ4VpcuhE4s2arqxdB DBwslK3nzsKwzFL9ihhXv5HjXaVXVng6sdUQ9zmxnlsfhSHYbsC8yE68oz/8z1+A tJeJImtQazptY8MdlGEULOBplmCYGOWLmUYGe7rED48f85gLhwwnXGhJZkQLyZXW /gDqiwl/yj6h2kWjK8VMxKtqBIFgxrksNX703Kgr5ZT7QHagvVXW8NeLJ03oS3Xz h3a6t2Y+XDLO5z5XwBpilxZRRIGnlMhlv/h2d+Lq0dzARZfxyA30wzx2NYGQYkdb Zv54P3VhSduG4uF0WbuzVLf/i55cc0rjTjTe/lFkPlp1g2YqpPKllC3KwiyamY0= =50r1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- Return-Path: X-Original-To: mdnsext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mdnsext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA3121F8E4D for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 21:55:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3jX8Qa1cN2LH for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 21:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-out.apple.com (mail-out.apple.com [17.151.62.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 454E121F8E47 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 21:55:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Received: from relay4.apple.com ([17.128.113.87]) by mail-out.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTP id <0MJM00CVEWC5W821@mail-out.apple.com> for mdnsext@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 21:55:22 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807157-b7fe56d00000700c-5c-5141583a726a Received: from kencur (kencur.apple.com [17.151.62.38]) (using TLS with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay4.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 5B.52.28684.A3851415; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 21:55:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chesh7-3.home.lan (dhcp-43de.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.67.222]) by kencur.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Nov 17 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0MJM00BSFWC8IR00@kencur.apple.com> for mdnsext@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 21:55:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Stuart Cheshire Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 21:55:20 -0700 To: IETF mdnsext Message-id: <4D59FB04-50A3-4FF6-B8B7-E222C1623A32@apple.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrPJMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUiON1OTdcqwjHQ4F+jgsXJJaeYHBg9liz5 yRTAGMVlk5Kak1mWWqRvl8CVcXrBT/aCKUYV+2a6NjA2a3YxcnJICJhIHL4wmxXCFpO4cG89 WxcjF4eQQBOTxKul76GczUwSPw+dAKtiE9CSePH5ClCCg4NZQE/i/kUtkDCzgLbEk3cXwEpY BFQl7v6ZwQxiCwtYSZy/8J0NxBYRUJa4eX42WJxXwEZi74ylLBC2ocSS61vYIY6Qldh55zTL BEbeWQgbZiHZMAtJxwJG5lWMAkWpOYmVJnqJBQU5qXrJ+bmbGEHB0lAYvoPx3zKrQ4wCHIxK PLw7OhwChVgTy4orcw8xSnAwK4nweno5BgrxpiRWVqUW5ccXleakFh9ilOZgURLn3dBhHygk kJ5YkpqdmlqQWgSTZeLglGpgnGLz8aqr3/qnFrbLdkuy8Va9DVj2Ryl5g6P+2ml/fXdunbSc +UzFZd/7e6sVjn14HKB1IMJXX+jTmWMKBiqXu2quhvDESn0/ktrNevXMdIc9NpNc13XHBsTO 8Z9RIzat56s/n2JyV9GJyW7t68sEwx9/Vtj785Nj8nL3VJ3/0jtucsjLTz24U4mlOCPRUIu5 qDgRAFnsnx0SAgAA Subject: [mdnsext] Wide Area DNS-Based Service Discovery walkthrough X-BeenThere: mdnsext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to Bonjour \(mDNS and DNS-SD\) for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 04:55:28 -0000 I previously submitted this draft: Some people have asked me for a more detailed description of how clients = perform the unicast queries. The Hybrid Proxy proposal talks about how = information gets into the DNS namespace, but how does that data get back = out again? I thought I'd illustrate that with a familiar example we've = been using for many years here at IETF: Printing to the Terminal Room = printer. Here=92s a detailed step-by-step walkthrough of how we find the IETF = Terminal Room printer, starting with DHCP, and ending with a TCP = connection sending the data to the printer. When you print from your Mac = or iPhone, and give no second thought to how it magically knew about the = IETF Terminal Room printer, this is what it's doing under the covers. First, let=92s see what my Mac learned from the local DHCP server: > % scutil > > list > ... > subKey [74] =3D = State:/Network/Service/21B5304C-C227-4932-BFCF-54B28F4CA1D2/DHCP > ... >=20 > > show = State:/Network/Service/21B5304C-C227-4932-BFCF-54B28F4CA1D2/DHCP > { > Option_15 : 0x6d656574696e672e696574662e6f7267 > ... > } Option_15 is Domain Name. What domain name? > % echo 6d656574696e672e696574662e6f7267 0A | xxd -r -p > meeting.ietf.org Great. Does meeting.ietf.org recommend we look in any Wide Area Service = Discovery domains? > % dig lb._dns-sd._udp.meeting.ietf.org. ptr >=20 > ; <<>> DiG 9.6-ESV-R4-P3 <<>> lb._dns-sd._udp.meeting.ietf.org. ptr > ;; global options: +cmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 35624 > ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: = 4 >=20 > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;lb._dns-sd._udp.meeting.ietf.org. IN PTR >=20 > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > lb._dns-sd._udp.meeting.ietf.org. 3600 IN PTR meeting.ietf.org. >=20 > ... >=20 > ;; Query time: 8 msec > ;; SERVER: 130.129.5.6#53(130.129.5.6) > ;; WHEN: Wed Mar 13 10:16:40 2013 > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 188 Note, I can ask *any* DNS server this question and I will get the same = answer. Let=92s ask Google DNS instead: > % dig @8.8.8.8 lb._dns-sd._udp.meeting.ietf.org. ptr >=20 > ; <<>> DiG 9.6-ESV-R4-P3 <<>> @8.8.8.8 = lb._dns-sd._udp.meeting.ietf.org. ptr > ; (1 server found) > ;; global options: +cmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 24571 > ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 >=20 > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;lb._dns-sd._udp.meeting.ietf.org. IN PTR >=20 > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > lb._dns-sd._udp.meeting.ietf.org. 1532 IN PTR meeting.ietf.org. >=20 > ;; Query time: 21 msec > ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8) > ;; WHEN: Wed Mar 13 10:18:27 2013 > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 64 I still get the same answer. The DNS server I ask doesn=92t have to be = =93on=94 my =93local=94 network (whatever that means). I=92m in Florida. = Google DNS is I-don=92t-know-where, 13 hops away, but it still gives the = right answer. > % traceroute -q 1 8.8.8.8 > traceroute to 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets > 1 rtra (130.129.80.2) 1.369 ms > 2 75-112-170-148.net.bhntampa.com (75.112.170.148) 14.494 ms > 3 bun2.tamp20-car1.bhn.net (71.44.3.73) 19.558 ms > 4 hun0-0-0-0-tamp20-cbr1.bhn.net (72.31.117.156) 20.730 ms > 5 xe-8-2-0.bar1.tampa1.level3.net (4.53.172.9) 13.052 ms > 6 ae-5-5.ebr1.miami1.level3.net (4.69.148.213) 27.413 ms > 7 ae-1-51.edge1.miami2.level3.net (4.69.138.75) 15.552 ms > 8 google-inc.edge1.miami2.level3.net (4.59.240.26) 48.852 ms > 9 209.85.253.118 (209.85.253.118) 21.118 ms > 10 216.239.48.192 (216.239.48.192) 21.890 ms > 11 216.239.48.192 (216.239.48.192) 23.221 ms > 12 * > 13 google-public-dns-a.google.com (8.8.8.8) 32.961 ms (For the rest of this example I'll use Google DNS for all the queries.) In this case the PTR is self-referential =97 meeting.ietf.org is = advising us to look in meeting.ietf.org, but it could easily be set up = to direct us elsewhere. But in this case it=92s suggesting we look for services in = meeting.ietf.org, so let=92s do that: A Mac with appropriate printer drivers installed will look for this = service: > % dig +short @8.8.8.8 _pdl-datastream._tcp.meeting.ietf.org. ptr > term-printer._pdl-datastream._tcp.meeting.ietf.org. There=92s one printing service available here, called =93term-printer=94. = That=92s what you see when you press the =93+=94 button in the Print & = Fax Preference Pane on Mac OS X. To actually use it, the client uses this: > % dig +short @8.8.8.8 = term-printer._pdl-datastream._tcp.meeting.ietf.org. srv > 0 0 9100 term-printer.meeting.ietf.org. >=20 > % dig +short @8.8.8.8 term-printer.meeting.ietf.org. AAAA > 2001:df8::48:200:74ff:fee0:6cf8 So, to use this printer, the Mac connects to = [2001:df8::48:200:74ff:fee0:6cf8]:9100, and uses the installed printer = driver, which speaks the appropriate vendor-specific printing protocol = for that printer. If you=92re using an iPhone then you don=92t have vendor-specific = printer drivers installed; instead it uses this generic IPP-based = printing service: > % dig +short @8.8.8.8 _universal._sub._ipp._tcp.meeting.ietf.org. ptr > term-printer._ipp._tcp.meeting.ietf.org. There=92s one IPP-based printing service available here, called = =93term-printer=94. Same name as the pdl-datastream printing service, = and same physical hardware, but different printing protocol. To actually use it, the client uses this: > % dig +short @8.8.8.8 term-printer._ipp._tcp.meeting.ietf.org. srv > 0 0 631 term-printer.meeting.ietf.org. >=20 > % dig +short @8.8.8.8 term-printer.meeting.ietf.org. aaaa > 2001:df8::48:200:74ff:fee0:6cf8 Note: Same address as before, but different port number. To use this printer, the iPhone connects to = [2001:df8::48:200:74ff:fee0:6cf8]:631, and uses IPP to print. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how automatic Wide Area DNS-Based = Service Discovery works. Here at IETF, the records are added to the DNS manually by our capable = network volunteers. The idea of the Hybrid Proxy is to populate the DNS = namespace automatically, making Wide Area DNS-Based Service Discovery = available to a broader community of users. Stuart Cheshire Return-Path: X-Original-To: mdnsext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mdnsext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE42621F9097 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:08:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HYeUrwk0FVAC for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-x233.google.com (mail-ob0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::233]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697E021F9044 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f179.google.com with SMTP id un3so3876640obb.10 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:08:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=4qjMDr1ssVUU3e7syuC5XnG5yCTNz6I4V/Y7FpjUniI=; b=TqY4Nv/frP18m15K/lZ9RSXHz/k8BM72vdCamA/UL+6Sqtn5RT9/G6PtOOZUilju1p pRnuh+GhDTee/835HAxJLa9TQ9cJlxC1PlVZenDc1EF98Y4pS356BGw2zlcoPjbozknr GxIEAeqClmqgjfZkBluQKQz1vjI2nL3n5saPYz3r36rKox09asrrCofWQGjinDWbTzFn 4skm6O8S/dUup4C4j2hNADwO126SqN3alWdCdQgfARe+5UbrtAwJ1YSIXhX2B7VVYpOd pezHf6U9UY8obrCbJ+0Cs54D4U+9SuZlwKFrdYl293rp9BvkM4HD0AClnFQSJBgW0T7J 5Emw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.73.67 with SMTP id j3mr10210870obv.102.1363039684933; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Sender: kerlyn2001@gmail.com Received: by 10.60.4.233 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 18:08:04 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Nzsm7Hokk61Ky90bKVSwrmSQQdc Message-ID: From: Kerry Lynn To: mdnsext@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0445187b3c3ea204d7ad687e Subject: [mdnsext] Informal mdnsext "Bar BoF" at IETF 86, Mon 3/11 X-BeenThere: mdnsext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to Bonjour \(mDNS and DNS-SD\) for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 22:08:06 -0000 --f46d0445187b3c3ea204d7ad687e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I've been reminded that open mic at the end of the tech. plenary has been known to run long. I'll just say in advance that the opportunities for eating/drinking/working at this hotel are limited. There seems to be only one bar, in the main building up the stairs from the lobby. We can meet there by 8PM and find a table either on that level or below on the ground (pool) level. There's also a deli on that level. If you don't see us by the bar, look downstairs. Regards, -K- On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Kerry Lynn wrote: > Greetings, > > I'd like to make some progress this week on the mdnsext requirements > draft, based on the many > excellent comments that were made on the mailing list. I propose that we > meet near the podium > tomorrow (Mon) night after the conclusion of the Technical Plenary and > decide on a destination > from there. I am also available Wed or Thurs evening if we can get a > group of five or more to work > on this. Send me email to indicate interest and availability. I'll scout > for meeting places tomorrow. > > Regards, -K- > > > --f46d0445187b3c3ea204d7ad687e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been reminded that open mic at the end of the tech. plenary has be= en known to
run long.=A0 I'll just say in advance that the opportuni= ties for eating/drinking/working
at this hotel are limited.=A0 There see= ms to be only one bar, in the main building up
the stairs from the lobby.=A0 We can meet there by 8PM and find a table eit= her on
that level or below on the ground (pool) level.=A0 There's al= so a deli on that level.=A0 If
you don't see us by the bar, look dow= nstairs.

Regards, -K-

On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at = 8:15 PM, Kerry Lynn <kerlyn@ieee.org> wrote:
Greetings,

I'd like to make some progress this week on the mdnse= xt requirements draft, based on the many
excellent comments that were ma= de on the mailing list.=A0 I propose that we meet near the podium
tomorr= ow (Mon) night after the conclusion of the Technical Plenary and decide on = a destination
from there.=A0 I am also available Wed or Thurs evening if we can get a gro= up of five or more to work
on this.=A0 Send me email to indicate interes= t and availability.=A0 I'll scout for meeting places tomorrow.

R= egards, -K-



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[198.135.0.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bb8sm25843533qeb.5.2013.03.11.10.58.54 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) From: Ralph Droms In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:58:52 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <536C5A8E-6991-47C2-A7D2-D2336AFAE694@gmail.com> References: To: Kerry Lynn X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: mdnsext@ietf.org Subject: Re: [mdnsext] Informal mdnsext "Bar BoF" at IETF 86 X-BeenThere: mdnsext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to Bonjour \(mDNS and DNS-SD\) for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 17:59:07 -0000 Sorry, Kerry, I have a prior commitment for dinner Mon PM. - Ralph On Mar 10, 2013, at 8:15 PM 3/10/13, Kerry Lynn wrote: > Greetings, >=20 > I'd like to make some progress this week on the mdnsext requirements = draft, based on the many > excellent comments that were made on the mailing list. I propose that = we meet near the podium > tomorrow (Mon) night after the conclusion of the Technical Plenary and = decide on a destination > from there. I am also available Wed or Thurs evening if we can get a = group of five or more to work > on this. Send me email to indicate interest and availability. I'll = scout for meeting places tomorrow. >=20 > Regards, -K- >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mdnsext mailing list > mdnsext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mdnsext Return-Path: X-Original-To: mdnsext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mdnsext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B9E21F8BA6 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:55:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id trjyM3Qe6dL1 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-x22e.google.com (mail-ob0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22e]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F248D21F8B85 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f174.google.com with SMTP id 16so3590118obc.19 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:55:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=4alrTAsRrf9RMXUx/K+XQaGLpkQ65QwOEGyi0HTZ6FA=; b=Rgsn1299kbXBBb41dA3vzSg2eySd9/qD7NkxZooIEaEATK1POyND1dN+FJt5dd+1h7 XVslRkxxiSr1kSPoWt2OR7bWL5UnzZN0/lA+rHb7j0eNUDFk//tvqCIvk7XmHs4iUhHG TqsKedIAYdEC+O7iLjNj/GK7tyrmeckO1H3mazzTFkmWTCogo0d9nB5OF6BwavBTqTz+ XlvgD5nDXGWYNJlGBBxQEouvKDjOuVdFW4w2GQ0CARexWnWlT6rCL4pEqolGplndV7vY /dRszEmdRGzO9YPiToDuD0xSVVH/uE2Tp/GebhSPFr/gslUQm1STzqWjCv2Ty03vhwG+ HHVw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.31.113 with SMTP id z17mr9359165oeh.37.1363024555581; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Sender: kerlyn2001@gmail.com Received: by 10.60.4.233 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:55:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:55:55 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: bdG6k8E6aYKuDsBJtyrWJ0WozA0 Message-ID: From: Kerry Lynn To: mdnsext@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1f59c74a64704d7a9e24a Subject: Re: [mdnsext] Informal mdnsext "Bar BoF" at IETF 86 X-BeenThere: mdnsext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to Bonjour \(mDNS and DNS-SD\) for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 17:55:56 -0000 --e89a8fb1f59c74a64704d7a9e24a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Greetings, I've heard from several folks who are available tonight and we will meet at the podium as planned. However, I've also heard from several who would like to attend tonight but cannot. Therefore, I'd propose that we hold several small meetings if there's interest. I've proposed some time slots in a Doodle poll: http://www.doodle.com/exutytxihssrwpx2 Sign up if you're available and we'll meet if there's a quorum. Note proposed times are EDT. Regards, -K- On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Kerry Lynn wrote: > Greetings, > > I'd like to make some progress this week on the mdnsext requirements > draft, based on the many > excellent comments that were made on the mailing list. I propose that we > meet near the podium > tomorrow (Mon) night after the conclusion of the Technical Plenary and > decide on a destination > from there. I am also available Wed or Thurs evening if we can get a > group of five or more to work > on this. Send me email to indicate interest and availability. I'll scout > for meeting places tomorrow. > > Regards, -K- > > > --e89a8fb1f59c74a64704d7a9e24a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings,

I've heard from several folks who are available tonig= ht and we will
meet at the podium as planned.=A0 However, I've also = heard from several
who would like to attend tonight but cannot.=A0 There= fore, I'd propose that
we hold several small meetings if there's interest.=A0 I've propose= d some
time slots in a Doodle poll: http://www.doodle.com/exutytxihssrwpx2=
Sign up if you're available and we'll meet if there's a quorum.= =A0 Note
proposed times are EDT.

Regards, -K-

On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Kerry Lynn <kerlyn@ieee.or= g> wrote:
Greetings,

I'd like to make some = progress this week on the mdnsext requirements draft, based on the many
excellent comments that were made on the mailing list.=A0 I propose that we= meet near the podium
tomorrow (Mon) night after the conclusion of the T= echnical Plenary and decide on a destination
from there.=A0 I am also available Wed or Thurs evening if we can get a gro= up of five or more to work
on this.=A0 Send me email to indicate interes= t and availability.=A0 I'll scout for meeting places tomorrow.

R= egards, -K-



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I'd like to make some progress this week on the mdnse= xt requirements draft, based on the many
excellent comments that were ma= de on the mailing list.=A0 I propose that we meet near the podium
tomorr= ow (Mon) night after the conclusion of the Technical Plenary and decide on = a destination
from there.=A0 I am also available Wed or Thurs evening if we can get a gro= up of five or more to work
on this.=A0 Send me email to indicate interes= t and availability.=A0 I'll scout for meeting places tomorrow.

R= egards, -K-


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