From nobody Wed Oct 8 07:23:37 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C07B1A1B1D; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 07:23:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YcvobskIUChn; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 07:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FAA01A1B26; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 07:23:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.6.3.p4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141008142332.23007.82682.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 07:23:32 -0700 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnssd/P5Ww5-On0LrfCUwKd-l911sp3nE Cc: dnssd@ietf.org Subject: [dnssd] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnssd-requirements-04.txt X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to Bonjour \(mDNS and DNS-SD\) for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 14:23:33 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Extensions for Scalable DNS Service Discovery Working Group of the IETF. Title : Requirements for Scalable DNS-SD/mDNS Extensions Authors : Kerry Lynn Stuart Cheshire Marc Blanchet Daniel Migault Filename : draft-ietf-dnssd-requirements-04.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2014-10-08 Abstract: DNS-SD/mDNS is widely used today for discovery and resolution of services and names on a local link, but there are use cases to extend DNS-SD/mDNS to enable service discovery beyond the local link. This document provides a problem statement and a list of requirements. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnssd-requirements/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnssd-requirements-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dnssd-requirements-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Oct 8 12:53:53 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB721A0147 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 12:53:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.014 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.014 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.786] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vCvakN8NKpao for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 12:53:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.rozanak.com (mail.rozanak.com [IPv6:2a01:238:42ad:1500:aa19:4238:e48f:61cf]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92CFA1A017A for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 12:53:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mail.rozanak.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC5B566081A for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 19:53:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rozanak.com Received: from mail.rozanak.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.iknowlaws.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n72LzcQzW_Rk for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 21:53:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kopoli (p5B343E50.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.52.62.80]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.rozanak.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B87AD566072E for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 21:53:15 +0200 (CEST) From: "Hosnieh Rafiee" To: References: <20141008142332.23007.82682.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20141008142332.23007.82682.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 21:53:13 +0200 Message-ID: <009401cfe331$7f6e9550$7e4bbff0$@rozanak.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQEYlwqdNPK+c0HRWDVZ2khoADAmI52VL67A Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnssd/r5oD-HoUJvLMDbUJRh6J7YZ4qZc Subject: Re: [dnssd] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnssd-requirements-04.txt X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to Bonjour \(mDNS and DNS-SD\) for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 19:53:51 -0000 Hi, I reviewed this draft and found it well written and good coverage. I only want to raise two questions here. Since this document considered all different devices and different environemnt, does it make sense to also care about Cloud environment and how DNS-SD suppose to work there ? I am asking because this is the future of our networks and with high speed we are moving toward it. My next question is that I thought in the last IETF, (as I raised this question during my presentation) the WG decided to move all threat analysis in the separate document that is current threat analysis draft. I still see there are improved version of threat analysis at the requirement draft. What is the decision here and how do you want to do it? Thanks, Best, Hosnieh From nobody Wed Oct 8 13:17:19 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625BC1A02E0 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 13:17:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.007 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.007 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.786, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t_GXgjpx0I9G for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 13:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB7BD1A0222 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 13:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s98KH9R7026418; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 21:17:09 +0100 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk s98KH9R7026418 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=ecs.soton.ac.uk; s=201304; t=1412799429; bh=12qQd1iovrHv8t8o0/5SEQCbylw=; h=Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=biRjYzw0dpxoadAxaOVLw9hD8bDTVW7BPP4Q8ez/LhpDrZhIgINS40A6fFey4u2ac 23cieBbt9XmowJXvW7WjMJTUOGn0dZFkNe/6fesqa2g+BOOjieCrWWcMB2j1I8Od9v ZCNOt8ZDMOaMQZosZRrR30q2aPqqOsNMHNIIb9KU= Received: from gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102::25d]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) envelope-from with ESMTP (valid=N/A) id q97LH930701151265f ret-id none; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 21:17:09 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.108] (host213-123-213-183.in-addr.btopenworld.com [213.123.213.183]) (authenticated bits=0) by gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s98KFmhp000609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 8 Oct 2014 21:15:48 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Tim Chown In-Reply-To: <009401cfe331$7f6e9550$7e4bbff0$@rozanak.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 21:15:47 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: References: <20141008142332.23007.82682.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <009401cfe331$7f6e9550$7e4bbff0$@rozanak.com> <31424EF1-7D1F-429E-A500-B91E01DCE5EB@ecs.soton.ac.uk> To: Hosnieh Rafiee X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-smtpf-Report: sid=q97LH9307011512600; tid=q97LH930701151265f; client=relay,ipv6; mail=; rcpt=; nrcpt=2:0; fails=0 X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-ID: s98KH9R7026418 X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnssd/R7bs7nRsRTQi3RJGy0GCrQeA-lI Cc: dnssd@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnssd] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnssd-requirements-04.txt X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to Bonjour \(mDNS and DNS-SD\) for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 20:17:15 -0000 Hi, On 8 Oct 2014, at 20:53, Hosnieh Rafiee wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I reviewed this draft and found it well written and good coverage. > I only want to raise two questions here. Since this document = considered all > different devices and different environemnt, does it make sense to = also care > about Cloud environment and how DNS-SD suppose to work there ? I am = asking > because this is the future of our networks and with high speed we are = moving > toward it.=20 The -04 is a combination of: a) agreed edits from the previous IETF meeting resulting from the WGLC = (as per minutes) b) comments addressed from the list (not too many, but they improve the = doc) c) clarifications/expansions of text by Stuart, which make it read more = clearly but don=92t alter semantics I believe the text is now good to go to the IESG and am finishing the = shepherd text, but if any feel their comments are not addressed now is a = chance to shout. I don=92t think cloud is an area to consider at this point. Feel free = to try to capture a problem statement though. > My next question is that I thought in the last IETF, (as I raised this > question during my presentation) the WG decided to move all threat = analysis > in the separate document that is current threat analysis draft. I = still see > there are improved version of threat analysis at the requirement = draft. What > is the decision here and how do you want to do it? I think what we agreed was that we would take you up on your offer to = write such a document, but keeping the content in scope for our charter. = If you ping me off list we can discuss further if you wish. Your offer = is still welcome :) We don=92t want the analysis to hold up this = requirements draft - it=92s been long enough as is and seems in good = shape otherwise now. Tim From nobody Thu Oct 23 13:12:48 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD841ACFEF for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 13:12:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JEQ0ivBWigOw for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 13:12:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-1.cisco.com (alln-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.142.88]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9DCEC1AD020 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 13:12:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=635; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1414095157; x=1415304757; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:content-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=HfmVvae/Rh9fwJ0DZyt9FbFYMFnx6bGW0r5PugCJWCo=; b=HyyjrO0MUduN8Dj4O5ox6+RVilc3eCbXLXGEsGpyLilHi9I9uHGFQw1X 1glwFQx41qofejgB0VjjKtIgNSUuFlHxL0glATGRsJ/T4chZsNjYFlfhT L9zSHK64VDrM+EtZe2fOkeLNKCkgcMMKsA5fKUfP11l+3g/d+ZW0+jTyq Q=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjoFAG1gSVStJA2G/2dsb2JhbABcgw6BMNRMgRMWAXILhAkdHT8SAT5CFBMEDgWIQcg/AQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBF5BYgzSBHgWSBYtYgTGDSZEzg3hsgUiBAwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.04,777,1406592000"; d="scan'208";a="89742923" Received: from alln-core-12.cisco.com ([173.36.13.134]) by alln-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Oct 2014 20:12:36 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x14.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x14.cisco.com [173.37.183.88]) by alln-core-12.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s9NKCafJ001707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Oct 2014 20:12:37 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x04.cisco.com ([169.254.9.212]) by xhc-rcd-x14.cisco.com ([173.37.183.88]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 15:12:36 -0500 From: "Ralph Droms (rdroms)" To: "dnssd@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Upcoming meeting and call for agenda items Thread-Index: AQHP7v2vhIGFZoS5WU2L0vCamiaomA== Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 20:12:36 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.86.254.104] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <54C03FA4196BA74E80A8227A276030AF@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnssd/B3XMuqSDelRQlSW35dVIID0XnWo Cc: "dnssd-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [dnssd] Upcoming meeting and call for agenda items X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to Bonjour \(mDNS and DNS-SD\) for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 20:12:46 -0000 The dnssd WG will meet in Hawaii 1300-1500 Thursday, Nov 12. The following= WGs will meet at the same time: lime, netvc, idr, saag, tsvwg Tim Chown won't be in Hawaii, so Andrew Sullivan has once again graciously = agreed to stand in as acting co-chair for the meeting. We are asking for volunteers for taking minutes and Jabber scribe. Please = let me know if you're willing to take on one of those roles. The agenda currently includes: Administrivia Document status review DNS-SD LLQ (long-lived queries), Tom Pusateri Please reply to dnssd-chairs@tools.ietf.org with requests for additional ag= enda slots. From nobody Thu Oct 23 15:55:40 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A121A6FFF for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 15:55:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U67d-mR4oNsu for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 15:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 971781A6FE0 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 15:55:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qce.qualcomm.com; i=@qce.qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1414104934; x=1445640934; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=wwBfFrR4AHGID7ysX6SINcxoBNnXVZEOxZ4tMK40Zgk=; b=Ul1mL34EOE1zscOXaY4/Tf3lLbG2OKB/auf7RuJJaTAske7aJGvdetQS Yy5hPs44yJFXS5eBZYqE3TYOEqUbX1pl7BpBMpWpVsC/nZd7Dw7eK390x p9wG+NKLCjn9hCibAE+rwPGiyYNOs2QII4KdWVErVaNGyVpHqiYQ+LsMA w=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5600,1067,7600"; a="169169959" Received: from ironmsg03-l.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.18]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 23 Oct 2014 15:55:34 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.04,777,1406617200"; d="scan'208";a="761622668" Received: from nasanexhc04.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.17]) by Ironmsg03-L.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 23 Oct 2014 15:55:33 -0700 Received: from NASANEXM01B.na.qualcomm.com (129.46.53.226) by nasanexhc04.na.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.181.6; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 15:55:33 -0700 Received: from NASANEXM01D.na.qualcomm.com (129.46.53.246) by NASANEXM01B.na.qualcomm.com (129.46.53.226) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.913.22; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 15:55:32 -0700 Received: from NASANEXM01D.na.qualcomm.com ([129.46.53.246]) by NASANEXM01D.na.qualcomm.com ([129.46.53.246]) with mapi id 15.00.0913.011; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 15:55:32 -0700 From: "Aggarwal, Ashutosh" To: "Ralph Droms (rdroms)" , "dnssd@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Upcoming meeting and call for agenda items Thread-Index: AQHP7v2vhIGFZoS5WU2L0vCamiaomJw+SPlg Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 22:55:32 +0000 Message-ID: <084f5f215fae4c2f905814641871803c@NASANEXM01D.na.qualcomm.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.80.80.8] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnssd/AKM-OydMJxmSWZ13qILtGBBbHpg Cc: "dnssd-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [dnssd] Upcoming meeting and call for agenda items X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to Bonjour \(mDNS and DNS-SD\) for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 22:55:36 -0000 I just wanted to inform the working group regarding the status of draft-agg= arwal-dnssd-optimize-query-00 updates. This draft was discussed at the last= meeting and lot of useful feedback was received. I was hoping I can attend= this meeting but due to business reasons I won't be able to. I am in the p= rocess of making updates as per the comments received and would circulate t= he updated draft when I am done. I am targeting IETF 92 to discuss this in = person and would initiate further discussion over the mailing list in the m= eantime. Thanks, Ashutosh -----Original Message----- From: dnssd [mailto:dnssd-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ralph Droms (rdrom= s) Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 1:13 PM To: dnssd@ietf.org Cc: dnssd-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: [dnssd] Upcoming meeting and call for agenda items The dnssd WG will meet in Hawaii 1300-1500 Thursday, Nov 12. The following= WGs will meet at the same time: lime, netvc, idr, saag, tsvwg Tim Chown won't be in Hawaii, so Andrew Sullivan has once again graciously = agreed to stand in as acting co-chair for the meeting. We are asking for volunteers for taking minutes and Jabber scribe. Please = let me know if you're willing to take on one of those roles. The agenda currently includes: Administrivia Document status review DNS-SD LLQ (long-lived queries), Tom Pusateri Please reply to dnssd-chairs@tools.ietf.org with requests for additional ag= enda slots. _______________________________________________ dnssd mailing list dnssd@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnssd From nobody Mon Oct 27 12:48:29 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B531ACDF1 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 12:48:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WEh_bV2bR1uA for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 12:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-8.cisco.com (alln-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.142.95]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D28841A00BF for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 12:48:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1385; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1414439285; x=1415648885; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=L9iNVYw25fXGthrT7veWuj+2priLZmYkhvwplPP3W2A=; b=dyxg5mY+d+vy3IruWYM1dRrmb56Btg6GNkGIPre8oh94p4z45fd/TB5z f7Z/tDrnLlwcS3yqAfkM/yZj5anBDVKIBTiysgGhEBA5Ja5Ee14mq6cPN 0yHjtRflnQIECep/uawCGkMlzd0rVz4BdC4Wx4e7G1Y2pl+hIXtRDKyTE o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjcFAMSgTlStJV2d/2dsb2JhbABcgw6BLATVBwKBHRYBcguEAwEBBB0dPxACAQg2EDIUEQIEDgWIQctUAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBF5BVMweDLYEeAQSGLYtai1qBMYNJkTSDeGyBSIEDAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.04,797,1406592000"; d="scan'208";a="90780341" Received: from rcdn-core-6.cisco.com ([173.37.93.157]) by alln-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP; 27 Oct 2014 19:48:05 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x15.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x15.cisco.com [173.36.12.89]) by rcdn-core-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s9RJm4rl029583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Oct 2014 19:48:05 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x04.cisco.com ([169.254.9.212]) by xhc-aln-x15.cisco.com ([173.36.12.89]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 14:48:04 -0500 From: "Ralph Droms (rdroms)" To: "dnssd@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Upcoming meeting and call for agenda items Thread-Index: AQHP7v2vhIGFZoS5WU2L0vCamiaomJxEs64A Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 19:48:04 +0000 Message-ID: <323A6BAD-8209-474A-8F59-CC5B8708F368@cisco.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.86.240.128] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <7BB21A119B747047A1C3F9613EA2E27F@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnssd/FIFfZ5PVy2CuoJNNy5t9WbJLsOE Cc: "dnssd-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [dnssd] Upcoming meeting and call for agenda items X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to Bonjour \(mDNS and DNS-SD\) for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 19:48:08 -0000 (2nd request) The dnssd WG will meet in Hawaii 1300-1500 Thursday, Nov 12. The following= WGs will meet at the same time: lime, netvc, idr, saag, tsvwg Tim Chown won't be in Hawaii, so Andrew Sullivan has once again graciously = agreed to stand in as acting co-chair for the meeting. We are asking for volunteers for taking minutes and Jabber scribe. Please = let me know if you're willing to take on one of those roles. Here is the current draft agenda: dnssd WG Agenda - IETF 91 1300-1500GMT 2014-10-13 (Last revised 2014-10-27 03:29 PM ET) ------------------------------------- Administrivia Droms/Sullivan 10 minutes Introduction and NoteWell Agenda bashing; blue sheets; scribe; Jabber scribe DNS Long-Lived Queries Pusateri 30 minutes draft-sekar-dns-llq-01.txt Technology review Requirements draft Lynn/Cheshire 10 minutes draft-lynn-dnssd-requirements-01 Final review before WG last call ----------- 50 minutes Please reply to dnssd-chairs@tools.ietf.org with requests for additional ag= enda slots. From nobody Mon Oct 27 16:10:26 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD7B1A6F5D for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:10:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o5DYuOw4OO0w for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.rozanak.com (mail.rozanak.com [IPv6:2a01:238:42ad:1500:aa19:4238:e48f:61cf]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 254141A6F0B for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mail.rozanak.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A6EF25CA0D9 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 23:10:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rozanak.com Received: from mail.rozanak.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.iknowlaws.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XqUsWmmCLB0L for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 00:09:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from kopoli (p20030061E93008259D5522698B6FBE94.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [IPv6:2003:61:e930:825:9d55:2269:8b6f:be94]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.rozanak.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3155725CA0D8 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 00:09:36 +0100 (CET) From: "Hosnieh Rafiee" To: References: <20141027230730.29335.78207.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20141027230730.29335.78207.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 00:09:33 +0100 Message-ID: <006b01cff23b$12c3ae40$384b0ac0$@rozanak.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHTzgN4mdJUkzgIN4D1zn7+6Kf8A5w82cQQ Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnssd/ZHrJR2r3GuI8c-JdlehDVE6hScI Subject: [dnssd] FW: New Version Notification for draft-rafiee-dnssd-mdns-threatmodel-01.txt X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to Bonjour \(mDNS and DNS-SD\) for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 23:10:19 -0000 Folks, I have uploaded a new version of threat model.=20 I welcome your comments. I would also like to present this work at the upcoming IETF. Best, Hosnieh -----Original Message----- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 12:08 AM To: Hosnieh Rafiee; Hosnieh Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-rafiee-dnssd-mdns-threatmodel-01.txt A new version of I-D, draft-rafiee-dnssd-mdns-threatmodel-01.txt has been successfully submitted by Hosnieh Rafiee and posted to the IETF = repository. Name: draft-rafiee-dnssd-mdns-threatmodel Revision: 01 Title: Multicast DNS (mDNS) Threat Model and Security Consideration Document date: 2014-10-27 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 11 URL: = http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-rafiee-dnssd-mdns-threatmodel-0= 1.txt Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rafiee-dnssd-mdns-threatmodel/ Htmlized: = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rafiee-dnssd-mdns-threatmodel-01 Diff: = http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-rafiee-dnssd-mdns-threatmodel-01= Abstract: This document describes threats associated with extending multicast DNS (mDNS) across layer 3. = =20 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at = tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat From nobody Mon Oct 27 19:48:41 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D7DF1A1B60 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 19:48:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.141 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.141 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_MISMATCH_INFO=1.448, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AUB5_gMR2chk for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 19:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.yitter.info (ow5p.x.rootbsd.net [208.79.81.114]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9F2C1A1B05 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 19:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.yitter.info (unknown [50.189.173.0]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7B4788A031 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 02:48:37 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 22:48:35 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: dnssd@ietf.org Message-ID: <20141028024835.GC13407@mx1.yitter.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnssd/2u662zp3V8idprIUjD6awjxqKyg Subject: [dnssd] Update of draft-sullivan-dnssd-mdns-dns-interop X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to Bonjour \(mDNS and DNS-SD\) for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 02:48:40 -0000 Dear colleagues, I updated draft-sullivan-dnssd-mdns-dns-interop. It's available from http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sullivan-dnssd-mdns-dns-interop/. In the -01 update, I concentrated on three things: 1. Altering the discussion of handling the portion of a Service Instance Name to say that it should always be in UTF-8 and that it should not be processed with IDNA2008. Stuart Cheshire, who has seen this version of the draft, has already taken me to task about this because he apparently thinks it's a stupid thing to worry about. My own view is that we need to make it clear that different parts of a Service Instance Name have to be treated in different ways. That's anyway what the draft is intending to say, so if that's not clear please let me know. 2. Ensuring that it is clear that the normal way Service Instance Names cause queries is, generally, from pick lists rather than other kinds of user input. The implication is that the "side of the bus" problem that has caused a great deal of trouble for domain names in lots of cases should not be an issue in DNS-SD. If that message isn't clear, I'd appreciate hearing about it. 3. Discussing the difference between the portion and other portions, and offering reasons why the portion should aways be looked up using IDNA. I hope this is useful. 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[107.0.5.6]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id e5sm159924igr.14.2014.10.31.16.58.44 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 31 Oct 2014 16:58:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Douglas Otis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 16:58:45 -0700 Message-Id: To: dnssd@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnssd/emOgrRY3vS9Pfw1RHr2AeEd-IvI Cc: Douglas Otis Subject: [dnssd] draft-ietf-dnssd-requirements-04 X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to Bonjour \(mDNS and DNS-SD\) for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 23:58:50 -0000 Dear dnssd wg, The requirements draft still has failed to consider new security = considerations caused by exposing link-local information to adjacent = networks. This goes well beyond being mere unions of mDNS and DNSSD = issues. One solution might involve use of overlay network addressing, for = example. Without a well considered strategy, no firewall will be able = protect local networks. Regards, Douglas Otis=