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Reviewer: Eliot Lear
Review result: Ready with Issues

Well written and comprehensive.  Just a few comments.

First, the use of "rejected" several times in the document leads one
to conclude that the WG is making design decisions at this time for
input into the next document. Combined with when the profile is
applicable, and its rough outline, one gets the impression of a first
step towards its writing.  Stating the audience and next steps would
help the reader.

Second, in Section 4.3, ppg 7-8, the following sentence:

   ... DNS-SD
   implementations ought somehow to identify the <Domain> portion of
   the Service Instance Name and treat it subject to IDNA2008 in case
   the domain is to be queried from the global DNS.

The sentence implies that it will not be easy to separate <Domain>
from <Instance> and <Service>, when the previous paragraphs seem to
make it clear that one can clearly identify <Service>.  Is this
because one might envision naked octets that begin with underscore in
either the <Domain> or <Instance> sections?  If so, it might be worth
reiterating that.

Third, while one might say that the fundamental issue has to do with
processing of labels in some form versus not doing so, most of the
document is spent on the case of IDNA2008 v. LDH v. naked UTF8.  The
abstract really should probably state that up front.  Similarly, the
impact to both deployments and implementations should be tersely
summarized.

The key callouts to me are suggestions as to when to perform IDNA2008
processing and when to not do so, potential restriction of character
sets, etc.

Fourth: the following sentence leads to a question:

   A practical consequence of this is that zone operators need to be
   prepared not to apply the LDH rule to all labels.

The implication here is that zone operators make this decision.  I
*think* what we are talking about here are user interfaces, no?  BIND
handles this just fine, right?[1]

Finally one nit: expand LDH on first use.

Eliot
[1] http://www.dns-sd.org/servertestsetup.html



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Working Group Name: Extensions for Scalable DNS Service Discovery 
Area Name: Internet Area
Session Requester: Tim Chown

Number of Sessions: 1
Length of Session(s):  2 Hours
Number of Attendees: 60
Conflicts to Avoid: 
 First Priority: intarea 6lo dprive homenet dnsop 6man saag
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People who must be present:
  Ralph Droms
  Tim Chown
  Terry Manderson

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Tim and I have reviewed the WG last call feedback and comments, and =
we've decided there is consensus to forward draft-ietf-dnssd-push to the =
IESG.  Stuart and Tom, please publish a rev -11 that addresses the WG =
comments from the WG last call thread, which we will pass along to the =
IESG.

- Ralph

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>> On Apr 6, 2017, at 4:59 AM, Tim Chown <Tim.Chown@jisc.ac.uk> wrote:
>>=20
>> Hi,
>>=20
>> We have had no comments on this WGLC.
>>=20
>> In order to progress the draft to our AD/IESG we need some positive =
expressions of support; please do try to find some time to read and =
comment on the document.
>>=20
>> We=E2=80=99ll extend the WGLC until next Friday, 14th April, given we =
are also waiting on a WGLC for the DNS session signalling draft used by =
DNS Push.
>>=20
>> Many thanks,
>> Tim & Ralph
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>>> On 21 Mar 2017, at 11:24, Tim Chown <Tim.Chown@jisc.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Dear dnssd WG participants,
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>>> We are initiating a WG Last Call today on draft-ietf-dnssd-push-10, =
which you can find at =
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnssd-push-10
>>>=20
>>> The call runs for two weeks, and will thus close on Tuesday 4th =
April.
>>>=20
>>> Please send any comments, which includes indications of support for =
progression of the document as is, to the dnssd@ietf.org list.  Such =
statements of support are important; this draft will not be advanced for =
publication unless there is sufficient response and support from the WG. =
=20
>>>=20
>>> There will be a brief opportunity to also make comments in the dnssd =
WG meeting in Chicago next week, but the chairs would appreciate a =
record of comments to the list.
>>>=20
>>> We are expecting the associated DNS session signalling draft to also =
go through WGLC in the dnsop WG in the next couple of weeks, with the =
aim of both documents being published together.
>>>=20
>>> The DNS-SD Discovery Proxy (formerly the DNS-SD Hybrid Proxy), which =
Stuart has updated to reflect the new nomenclature, will be sent to the =
IESG once the shepherd write-up is completed.
>>>=20
>>> Best wishes,
>>>=20
>>> Ralph and Tim
>>> dnssd WG co-chairs
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On May 10, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Ralph Droms <rdroms.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
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> - Ralph

I have completed the changes to the DNS Push document in response to the =
feedback we have received during the last call and will be submitting it =
for publication soon.

Thanks,
Tom


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I think that this is a useful document -- I think that it would be more
useful if it A: made DNS-SD be LDH only, or somehow made all DNS
deployments be UTF-8 (without any sort of homograph issues), but seeing
as both of these would require magic, I'm balloting Yes. :-)

2 nits:
1: ... "the so-called LDH rule" -- I think that it would be useful to
expand this - the tone is introductory, and so I think helpful to new
readers.
2: "cannot be used in the DNS unless they cleave to the LDH rule." - I
would suggest "adhere to" or "follow" - 'cleave to', while cooler, is
likely confusing to a: those who don't have English as a first language,
or b: were born after 1886. :-)



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Robert, thank you for your review. I have balloted No Objection.

Alissa

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I do have one comment, and it's only for consideration by the responsible
AD.

This document is great, and the shepherd thinks it's received sufficient
review for publication as Informational, but I wonder if it might 

- make sense to publish as a BCP, which would generate additional review
from other communities, OR

- make sense to publish as Experimental, which might signal that this
document is probably the right thing to, but the jury is still out, OR

- include "You are not expected to understand this" in the Introduction,
crediting Dennis Ritchie for prior art (*)

I'm MOSTLY kidding ...

(*)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lions%27_Commentary_on_UNIX_6th_Edition,_with_Source_Code#.22You_are_not_expected_to_understand_this.22