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Hi Marc and Roger,

We would like some time to talk about draft-winterbottom-ecrit-priv-loc.

We plan to have an update before the draft submission deadline.

Cheers
James

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Additional-Data time, please, I'll have a revision out this week.

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Hi all,

after reaching a conclusion regarding the marking Christer indicated 
that we are going to provide a draft update before the submission deadline.

The security consideration section is currently empty and I have tried 
to come up with some text. Here is my proposal:

--------

5.  Security Considerations

5.1.  Security Threat

    The PSAP callback functionality described in this document allows
    marked calls to bypass blacklists, ignore call forwarding procedures
    and similar features to contact emergency callers and to raise their
    attention.  Regarding the latter aspect a callback, if understood by
    the SIP UA would allow to override user interface configurations,
    such as vibrate-only mode, to alert the caller of the incoming call.

5.2.  Security Requirements

    The requirement is to ensure that the mechanisms described in this
    document can not be used for malicious purposes, including
    telemarketing.

    Furthermore, if the newly defined extension is not recognized, not
    verified adequately, or not obeyed by SIP intermediaries or SIP
    endpoints then it must not lead to a failure of the call handling
    procedure.  Such call must be treated like a call that does not have
    any marking attached.

5.3.  Security Solution

    Figure 6 shows the architecture that utilizes the identity of the
    PSAP to decide whether a preferential treatment of callbacks should
    be provided.  To make this policy decision the identity of the PSAP
    is compared with a whitelist of valid PSAPs available to the SIP
    entity.  The identity assurance in SIP can come in different forms,
    such as SIP Identity [RFC4474] or with P-Asserted-Identity [RFC3325].
    The former technique relies on a cryptographic assurance and the
    latter on a chain of trust.  Also the usage of TLS between
    neighboring SIP entities may provide useful identity information.


                        +----------+
                        | List of  |+
                        | valid    ||
                        | PSAPs    ||
                        +----------+|
                         +----------+
                             *
                             * whitelist
                             *
                             V
          Incoming      +----------+    Normal
          SIP Msg       | SIP      |+   Treatment
         -------------->| Entity   ||======================>
          + Identity    |          ||(if not in whitelist)
            Info        +----------+|
                        +----------+
                             ||
                             ||
                             || Preferential
                             || Treatment
                             ++========================>
                               (if successfully verified)

                   Figure 6: Identity-based Authorization

    An important aspect from a security point of view is the relationship
    between the emergency services network (containing PSAPs) and the VSP
    (assuming that the emergency call travels via the VSP and not
    directly between the SIP UA and the PSAP).

    If there is some form of relationship between the emergency services
    operator and the VSP then the identification of a PSAP call back is
    less problematic than in the case where the two entities have not
    entered in some form of relationship that would allow the VSP to
    verify whether the marked callback message indeed came from a
    legitimate source.

    The establishment of a whitelist with PSAP identities maybe be
    operationally complex.  When there is a local relationship between
    the VSP/ASP and the PSAP then populating the whitelist is fairly
    simple.  For SIP UAs there is no need to maintain a list of PSAPs.
    Instead SIP UAs are assumed to trust the correct processing of their
    VSP/ASP, i.e., the VSP/ASP processes the PSAP callback marking and,
    if it cannot be verified, the PSAP callback marking is removed.  If
    it is left untouched then the SIP UA should assume that it has been
    verified successfully by the VSP/ASP and it should therefore be
    obeyed.


--------

Feedback welcome!

Ciao
Hannes

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Hi Hannes,

IMO it is not necessary, and not even desirable, the the nodes in the 
middle of the network to do this level of screening.

Rather, I think it would be better for the phone the make the emergency 
call to remember that it did, and set up an interval during which it is 
willing to accept an emergency callback.

* During that interval, if it gets a call marked as a psap callback it 
should apply whatever special policies it has to such calls. If it is 
not still engaged in the emergency call it had made, then it might use 
priority alerting, drop any other call it might be in, etc. (If it *is* 
still in the original emergency call then it gets complicated. I don't 
know what it does.)

* If a call marked as a psap callback comes when not in an interval when 
it is expecting one, it should either treat it as an ordinary call, or 
reject it altogether.

* The phone could persist the record of the emergency call so that it 
will still remember after a reboot. If it chooses not to do that, then 
it can simply assume after a reboot that it might have initiated an 
emergency call just before the reboot, and so establish an interval for 
accepting emergency callbacks starting immediately after the reboot. 
This is relatively safe because to exploit it a caller would need to 
know when the callee reboots his phone.

This does mean that someone aware that an emergency call has been made 
could exploit that to get a priority call through to the phone. This 
seems a minor issue to me. The benefit is that it eliminates all the 
complications of establishing whitelists for large numbers of otherwise 
unknown entities, or the need to federate many psaps in order to 
minimize the size of whitelists.

	Thanks,
	Paul

On 10/14/12 7:34 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> after reaching a conclusion regarding the marking Christer indicated
> that we are going to provide a draft update before the submission deadline.
>
> The security consideration section is currently empty and I have tried
> to come up with some text. Here is my proposal:
>
> --------
>
> 5.  Security Considerations
>
> 5.1.  Security Threat
>
>     The PSAP callback functionality described in this document allows
>     marked calls to bypass blacklists, ignore call forwarding procedures
>     and similar features to contact emergency callers and to raise their
>     attention.  Regarding the latter aspect a callback, if understood by
>     the SIP UA would allow to override user interface configurations,
>     such as vibrate-only mode, to alert the caller of the incoming call.
>
> 5.2.  Security Requirements
>
>     The requirement is to ensure that the mechanisms described in this
>     document can not be used for malicious purposes, including
>     telemarketing.
>
>     Furthermore, if the newly defined extension is not recognized, not
>     verified adequately, or not obeyed by SIP intermediaries or SIP
>     endpoints then it must not lead to a failure of the call handling
>     procedure.  Such call must be treated like a call that does not have
>     any marking attached.
>
> 5.3.  Security Solution
>
>     Figure 6 shows the architecture that utilizes the identity of the
>     PSAP to decide whether a preferential treatment of callbacks should
>     be provided.  To make this policy decision the identity of the PSAP
>     is compared with a whitelist of valid PSAPs available to the SIP
>     entity.  The identity assurance in SIP can come in different forms,
>     such as SIP Identity [RFC4474] or with P-Asserted-Identity [RFC3325].
>     The former technique relies on a cryptographic assurance and the
>     latter on a chain of trust.  Also the usage of TLS between
>     neighboring SIP entities may provide useful identity information.
>
>
>                         +----------+
>                         | List of  |+
>                         | valid    ||
>                         | PSAPs    ||
>                         +----------+|
>                          +----------+
>                              *
>                              * whitelist
>                              *
>                              V
>           Incoming      +----------+    Normal
>           SIP Msg       | SIP      |+   Treatment
>          -------------->| Entity   ||======================>
>           + Identity    |          ||(if not in whitelist)
>             Info        +----------+|
>                         +----------+
>                              ||
>                              ||
>                              || Preferential
>                              || Treatment
>                              ++========================>
>                                (if successfully verified)
>
>                    Figure 6: Identity-based Authorization
>
>     An important aspect from a security point of view is the relationship
>     between the emergency services network (containing PSAPs) and the VSP
>     (assuming that the emergency call travels via the VSP and not
>     directly between the SIP UA and the PSAP).
>
>     If there is some form of relationship between the emergency services
>     operator and the VSP then the identification of a PSAP call back is
>     less problematic than in the case where the two entities have not
>     entered in some form of relationship that would allow the VSP to
>     verify whether the marked callback message indeed came from a
>     legitimate source.
>
>     The establishment of a whitelist with PSAP identities maybe be
>     operationally complex.  When there is a local relationship between
>     the VSP/ASP and the PSAP then populating the whitelist is fairly
>     simple.  For SIP UAs there is no need to maintain a list of PSAPs.
>     Instead SIP UAs are assumed to trust the correct processing of their
>     VSP/ASP, i.e., the VSP/ASP processes the PSAP callback marking and,
>     if it cannot be verified, the PSAP callback marking is removed.  If
>     it is left untouched then the SIP UA should assume that it has been
>     verified successfully by the VSP/ASP and it should therefore be
>     obeyed.
>
>
> --------
>
> Feedback welcome!
>
> Ciao
> Hannes
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On 10/14/12 3:55 PM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> thanks for the quick feedback.
>
> Based on our discussions earlier about the PSAP callback there are cases where network intermediaries need to perform this screening. Think about authorization policies and supplementary services (like call forwarding). The earlier sections of the draft describe these scenarios in detail.

My feeling is still that the network should get out of the way in these 
cases - just trust the caller and let the callee deal with it.

The one case I know of where that doesn't work is when the callee has 
been barred, say for non-payment. It could be permissive even in that 
case, and just log it as an exception. Some backend system could check 
for abuse and do some blacklisting. But I'll acknowledge that this is 
one case where the approach you propose is attractive. But it concerns 
me that whitelisting PSAPs could be difficult, especially for roaming 
devices that end up talking to a PSAP on the other side of the world 
from their provider's location.

> The idea of using some timer interval in which the callback must come was raised before and we have that concept in PhoneBCP. The challenge with this idea is that it is difficult to pick a specific time.

So make it big - an hour, or 24 hours.

> The case that the emergency caller is still having the emergency call when it receives the callback seems rather unlikely. Theoretically, that's possible. Should we indicate that an ongoing call should not be interrupted?

It seems possible to me. The call may have dropped somewhere along the 
path and the UAC doesn't yet know it.

ISTM this is hard. You don't want to drop the existing call to take the 
new one if there is any possibility that the old one is still 
functional. Perhaps treat it as an extra call coming in and let the user 
switch between them. (But that is worrisome since it is fairly easy to 
lose both with common fat fingering.) Or the two could be mixed. I have 
no good ideas here.

> What happens, however, to an ongoing non-emergency call when an incoming callback arrives is indeed a good question. Would you say that the regular call should be preempted or should we better say nothing?

Similar to above, but with more preference for dropping the existing 
call. Maybe it could be treated like a call waiting case but with 
authomatic switching to the emergency callback - leaving the other one 
up but pending.

> For the end device I was arguing in the draft that whitelists are not needed since the screening will have to be done by the VSP.

Certainly I'm not suggesting whitelists here either.

	Thanks,
	Paul

> Ciao
> Hannes
>
> Sent from my ASUS Pad
>
> Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>
>> Hi Hannes,
>>
>> IMO it is not necessary, and not even desirable, the the nodes in the
>> middle of the network to do this level of screening.
>>
>> Rather, I think it would be better for the phone the make the emergency
>> call to remember that it did, and set up an interval during which it is
>> willing to accept an emergency callback.
>>
>> * During that interval, if it gets a call marked as a psap callback it
>> should apply whatever special policies it has to such calls. If it is
>> not still engaged in the emergency call it had made, then it might use
>> priority alerting, drop any other call it might be in, etc. (If it *is*
>> still in the original emergency call then it gets complicated. I don't
>> know what it does.)
>>
>> * If a call marked as a psap callback comes when not in an interval when
>> it is expecting one, it should either treat it as an ordinary call, or
>> reject it altogether.
>>
>> * The phone could persist the record of the emergency call so that it
>> will still remember after a reboot. If it chooses not to do that, then
>> it can simply assume after a reboot that it might have initiated an
>> emergency call just before the reboot, and so establish an interval for
>> accepting emergency callbacks starting immediately after the reboot.
>> This is relatively safe because to exploit it a caller would need to
>> know when the callee reboots his phone.
>>
>> This does mean that someone aware that an emergency call has been made
>> could exploit that to get a priority call through to the phone. This
>> seems a minor issue to me. The benefit is that it eliminates all the
>> complications of establishing whitelists for large numbers of otherwise
>> unknown entities, or the need to federate many psaps in order to
>> minimize the size of whitelists.
>>
>> 	Thanks,
>> 	Paul
>>
>> On 10/14/12 7:34 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> after reaching a conclusion regarding the marking Christer indicated
>>> that we are going to provide a draft update before the submission deadline.
>>>
>>> The security consideration section is currently empty and I have tried
>>> to come up with some text. Here is my proposal:
>>>
>>> --------
>>>
>>> 5.  Security Considerations
>>>
>>> 5.1.  Security Threat
>>>
>>>      The PSAP callback functionality described in this document allows
>>>      marked calls to bypass blacklists, ignore call forwarding procedures
>>>      and similar features to contact emergency callers and to raise their
>>>      attention.  Regarding the latter aspect a callback, if understood by
>>>      the SIP UA would allow to override user interface configurations,
>>>      such as vibrate-only mode, to alert the caller of the incoming call.
>>>
>>> 5.2.  Security Requirements
>>>
>>>      The requirement is to ensure that the mechanisms described in this
>>>      document can not be used for malicious purposes, including
>>>      telemarketing.
>>>
>>>      Furthermore, if the newly defined extension is not recognized, not
>>>      verified adequately, or not obeyed by SIP intermediaries or SIP
>>>      endpoints then it must not lead to a failure of the call handling
>>>      procedure.  Such call must be treated like a call that does not have
>>>      any marking attached.
>>>
>>> 5.3.  Security Solution
>>>
>>>      Figure 6 shows the architecture that utilizes the identity of the
>>>      PSAP to decide whether a preferential treatment of callbacks should
>>>      be provided.  To make this policy decision the identity of the PSAP
>>>      is compared with a whitelist of valid PSAPs available to the SIP
>>>      entity.  The identity assurance in SIP can come in different forms,
>>>      such as SIP Identity [RFC4474] or with P-Asserted-Identity [RFC3325].
>>>      The former technique relies on a cryptographic assurance and the
>>>      latter on a chain of trust.  Also the usage of TLS between
>>>      neighboring SIP entities may provide useful identity information.
>>>
>>>
>>>                          +----------+
>>>                          | List of  |+
>>>                          | valid    ||
>>>                          | PSAPs    ||
>>>                          +----------+|
>>>                           +----------+
>>>                               *
>>>                               * whitelist
>>>                               *
>>>                               V
>>>            Incoming      +----------+    Normal
>>>            SIP Msg       | SIP      |+   Treatment
>>>           -------------->| Entity   ||======================>
>>>            + Identity    |          ||(if not in whitelist)
>>>              Info        +----------+|
>>>                          +----------+
>>>                               ||
>>>                               ||
>>>                               || Preferential
>>>                               || Treatment
>>>                               ++========================>
>>>                                 (if successfully verified)
>>>
>>>                     Figure 6: Identity-based Authorization
>>>
>>>      An important aspect from a security point of view is the relationship
>>>      between the emergency services network (containing PSAPs) and the VSP
>>>      (assuming that the emergency call travels via the VSP and not
>>>      directly between the SIP UA and the PSAP).
>>>
>>>      If there is some form of relationship between the emergency services
>>>      operator and the VSP then the identification of a PSAP call back is
>>>      less problematic than in the case where the two entities have not
>>>      entered in some form of relationship that would allow the VSP to
>>>      verify whether the marked callback message indeed came from a
>>>      legitimate source.
>>>
>>>      The establishment of a whitelist with PSAP identities maybe be
>>>      operationally complex.  When there is a local relationship between
>>>      the VSP/ASP and the PSAP then populating the whitelist is fairly
>>>      simple.  For SIP UAs there is no need to maintain a list of PSAPs.
>>>      Instead SIP UAs are assumed to trust the correct processing of their
>>>      VSP/ASP, i.e., the VSP/ASP processes the PSAP callback marking and,
>>>      if it cannot be verified, the PSAP callback marking is removed.  If
>>>      it is left untouched then the SIP UA should assume that it has been
>>>      verified successfully by the VSP/ASP and it should therefore be
>>>      obeyed.
>>>
>>>
>>> --------
>>>
>>> Feedback welcome!
>>>
>>> Ciao
>>> Hannes
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On 14 October 2012 13:12, Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> My feeling is still that the network should get out of the way in these
> cases - just trust the caller and let the callee deal with it.

Getting out of the way could be an extraordinary action.

If the entity changes its behaviour as a result of the marking, then
the marking could be exploited.  Limiting the possibility for abuse is
the key.

For an end device, special treatment might be enabled for a period
after an emergency call is made.

A service provider might use whitelisting.  I expect that they will.

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I've said what I have to say on this.
You that work on this all the time have more insight than I do.

	Thanks,
	Paul

On 10/15/12 12:10 PM, Martin Thomson wrote:
> On 14 October 2012 13:12, Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>> My feeling is still that the network should get out of the way in these
>> cases - just trust the caller and let the callee deal with it.
>
> Getting out of the way could be an extraordinary action.
>
> If the entity changes its behaviour as a result of the marking, then
> the marking could be exploited.  Limiting the possibility for abuse is
> the key.
>
> For an end device, special treatment might be enabled for a period
> after an emergency call is made.
>
> A service provider might use whitelisting.  I expect that they will.
>


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Just wanted to check the status of PhoneBCP. The document was pending =
the completion of=20
draft-ietf-mmusic-media-loopback-15, which still lists 3 DISCUSSes:=20
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mmusic-media-loopback/


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Martin, Paul,=20

I am wondering whether my response has helped to clarify and whether I =
can go ahead and put the text into the draft?=20

Ciao
Hannes

On Oct 15, 2012, at 7:10 PM, Martin Thomson wrote:

> On 14 October 2012 13:12, Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>> My feeling is still that the network should get out of the way in =
these
>> cases - just trust the caller and let the callee deal with it.
>=20
> Getting out of the way could be an extraordinary action.
>=20
> If the entity changes its behaviour as a result of the marking, then
> the marking could be exploited.  Limiting the possibility for abuse is
> the key.
>=20
> For an end device, special treatment might be enabled for a period
> after an emergency call is made.
>=20
> A service provider might use whitelisting.  I expect that they will.


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Hi,

I drafted some initial text regarding the new SIP Priority header field 'ps=
ap-callback' value.

Feel free to comment :)

-----------------------

X.            PSAP Callback Indicator.

X.1          General

This section defines a new header field value, "psap-callback", for the SIP=
 Priority header field [RFC3261].
The value is used by a SIP entity to inform downstream entities that the re=
quest is associated with a PSAP callback
SIP session.

x.2          Usage

SIP entities that receive the header field value within an initial request =
for a SIP session, or within a standalone
SIP request, can, depending on local policies, apply PSAP callback specific=
 procedures for the session or request.

PSAP callback specific procedures might be applied both by network entities=
 and by the callee. The specific procedures
are outside the scope of this document, but typically include bypassing ser=
vices and barring procedures.

x.3          Syntax

x.3.1      General

   This Section defines the ABNF for the new SIP Priority header field valu=
e, "psap-callback".

x.3.2      ABNF

priority-value  /=3D  "psap-callback"

-----------------------

Regards,

Christer


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I drafted some initial text regarding the new SIP Pr=
iority header field &#8217;psap-callback&#8217; value.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Feel free to comment :)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-----------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">X.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PSAP Callback Indicator.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">X.1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; General<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This section defines a new header field value, &quot=
;psap-callback&quot;, for the SIP Priority header field [RFC3261].<o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The value is used by a SIP entity to inform downstre=
am entities that the request is associated with a PSAP callback
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">SIP session. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">x.2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; Usage<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">SIP entities that receive the header field value wit=
hin an initial request for a SIP session, or within a standalone
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">SIP request, can, depending on local policies, apply=
 PSAP callback specific procedures for the session or request.<o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">PSAP callback specific procedures might be applied b=
oth by network entities and by the callee. The specific procedures<o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">are outside the scope of this document, but typicall=
y include bypassing services and barring procedures.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">x.3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; Syntax<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">x.3.1&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; General<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp; This Section defines the ABNF for the n=
ew SIP Priority header field value, &quot;psap-callback&quot;.<o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">x.3.2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ABNF<o:p></o:p><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">priority-value&nbsp; /=3D&nbsp; &quot;psap-callback&=
quot;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-----------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Christer<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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Hi all,=20

Christer and I had put the new text into the (not-yet-submitted) draft. =
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ck/draft-ietf-ecrit-psap-callback-06.txt

Feedback we can be incorporated before the submission deadline.=20

Ciao
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Hannes, Christer, ecrit wg,

Robert, Adam and I have been discussing how best to handle the updating 
of the Priority header to include a new value. Ideally there would 
already be an IANA registry with defined procedures for adding new 
values. But there isn't.

So we have two alternatives:

1) Simply mark this draft as an update to 3261. Provide ABNF that 
extends the syntax of the Priority header. (As your planned draft does.)

2) Make an update to 3261 that establishes a new IANA registry for 
Priority header field values, and populate it with all the values 
included in 3261. Set the rules for adding new values to that registry. 
Then set your new draft to follow those rules to add the new value to 
the registry.

The 2nd way is clearly more work, but it is the "cleaner" way to do it. 
Robert has concerns that if we don't do that, and go with (1), then we 
will have some difficulty getting it through IESG.

So we would prefer to do (2). Adam already put together a draft of a 
draft to do the revision to 3261. We can have that ready to submit when 
submissions are opened up again the first day in Atlanta. It is quite a 
straightforward thing to do so we expect we can have it approved and 
ready for the IESG soon enough that it won't slow your work up. Once 
that draft is filed you will be able to reference it in your draft so 
they can be wrapped up in parallel.

Is ecrit ok with that direction?

	Thanks,
	Paul (as sipcore co-chair)

On 10/18/12 4:49 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Christer and I had put the new text into the (not-yet-submitted) draft. Here is the current snapshot:
> https://github.com/hannestschofenig/tschofenig-ids/blob/master/psap-callback/draft-ietf-ecrit-psap-callback-06.txt
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> Feedback we can be incorporated before the submission deadline.
>
> Ciao
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I am curious why you need a separate draft just to create an additional 
registry. We still have "space left" in the current PSAP callback draft...

On 10/18/2012 08:05 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:
> Hannes, Christer, ecrit wg,
>
> Robert, Adam and I have been discussing how best to handle the updating
> of the Priority header to include a new value. Ideally there would
> already be an IANA registry with defined procedures for adding new
> values. But there isn't.
>
> So we have two alternatives:
>
> 1) Simply mark this draft as an update to 3261. Provide ABNF that
> extends the syntax of the Priority header. (As your planned draft does.)
>
> 2) Make an update to 3261 that establishes a new IANA registry for
> Priority header field values, and populate it with all the values
> included in 3261. Set the rules for adding new values to that registry.
> Then set your new draft to follow those rules to add the new value to
> the registry.
>
> The 2nd way is clearly more work, but it is the "cleaner" way to do it.
> Robert has concerns that if we don't do that, and go with (1), then we
> will have some difficulty getting it through IESG.
>
> So we would prefer to do (2). Adam already put together a draft of a
> draft to do the revision to 3261. We can have that ready to submit when
> submissions are opened up again the first day in Atlanta. It is quite a
> straightforward thing to do so we expect we can have it approved and
> ready for the IESG soon enough that it won't slow your work up. Once
> that draft is filed you will be able to reference it in your draft so
> they can be wrapped up in parallel.
>
> Is ecrit ok with that direction?
>
>      Thanks,
>      Paul (as sipcore co-chair)
>
> On 10/18/12 4:49 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Christer and I had put the new text into the (not-yet-submitted)
>> draft. Here is the current snapshot:
>> https://github.com/hannestschofenig/tschofenig-ids/blob/master/psap-callback/draft-ietf-ecrit-psap-callback-06.txt
>>
>>
>> Feedback we can be incorporated before the submission deadline.
>>
>> Ciao
>> Hannes
>>
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Hi,

I am ok with (2). Does anyone have a problem with taking such approach (we =
obviously still need to sort out the details)?

Now, regarding the documentation.

As Hannes also asked, do we really need a separate draft in order to create=
 the registry? I don't really care if we create a separate draft or not, bu=
t I would like to have a decision soon. I don't think we need to spend f2f =
time in Atlanta to discuss the documentation.

But, separate draft or not, we can still work on the procedure text that I =
suggested. So, please read and comment :)

Regards,

Christer



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Subject: Re: [Ecrit] PSAP Callback Draft

Hannes, Christer, ecrit wg,

Robert, Adam and I have been discussing how best to handle the updating of =
the Priority header to include a new value. Ideally there would already be =
an IANA registry with defined procedures for adding new values. But there i=
sn't.

So we have two alternatives:

1) Simply mark this draft as an update to 3261. Provide ABNF that extends t=
he syntax of the Priority header. (As your planned draft does.)

2) Make an update to 3261 that establishes a new IANA registry for Priority=
 header field values, and populate it with all the values included in 3261.=
 Set the rules for adding new values to that registry.=20
Then set your new draft to follow those rules to add the new value to the r=
egistry.

The 2nd way is clearly more work, but it is the "cleaner" way to do it.=20
Robert has concerns that if we don't do that, and go with (1), then we will=
 have some difficulty getting it through IESG.

So we would prefer to do (2). Adam already put together a draft of a draft =
to do the revision to 3261. We can have that ready to submit when submissio=
ns are opened up again the first day in Atlanta. It is quite a straightforw=
ard thing to do so we expect we can have it approved and ready for the IESG=
 soon enough that it won't slow your work up. Once that draft is filed you =
will be able to reference it in your draft so they can be wrapped up in par=
allel.

Is ecrit ok with that direction?

	Thanks,
	Paul (as sipcore co-chair)

On 10/18/12 4:49 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Christer and I had put the new text into the (not-yet-submitted) draft. H=
ere is the current snapshot:
> https://github.com/hannestschofenig/tschofenig-ids/blob/master/psap-ca
> llback/draft-ietf-ecrit-psap-callback-06.txt
>
> Feedback we can be incorporated before the submission deadline.
>
> Ciao
> Hannes
>
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On 10/18/12 1:31 PM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
> I am curious why you need a separate draft just to create an additional
> registry. We still have "space left" in the current PSAP callback draft...

Oh, I thought it was "full". :-)

We did discuss putting all the stuff to establish the IANA registry and 
grandfather the existing values into your draft. We just think that 
seems like a poor organization. (Sort of a layering violation.)
We also aren't out of RFC numbers yet. :-)

	Thanks,
	Paul

> On 10/18/2012 08:05 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:
>> Hannes, Christer, ecrit wg,
>>
>> Robert, Adam and I have been discussing how best to handle the updating
>> of the Priority header to include a new value. Ideally there would
>> already be an IANA registry with defined procedures for adding new
>> values. But there isn't.
>>
>> So we have two alternatives:
>>
>> 1) Simply mark this draft as an update to 3261. Provide ABNF that
>> extends the syntax of the Priority header. (As your planned draft does.)
>>
>> 2) Make an update to 3261 that establishes a new IANA registry for
>> Priority header field values, and populate it with all the values
>> included in 3261. Set the rules for adding new values to that registry.
>> Then set your new draft to follow those rules to add the new value to
>> the registry.
>>
>> The 2nd way is clearly more work, but it is the "cleaner" way to do it.
>> Robert has concerns that if we don't do that, and go with (1), then we
>> will have some difficulty getting it through IESG.
>>
>> So we would prefer to do (2). Adam already put together a draft of a
>> draft to do the revision to 3261. We can have that ready to submit when
>> submissions are opened up again the first day in Atlanta. It is quite a
>> straightforward thing to do so we expect we can have it approved and
>> ready for the IESG soon enough that it won't slow your work up. Once
>> that draft is filed you will be able to reference it in your draft so
>> they can be wrapped up in parallel.
>>
>> Is ecrit ok with that direction?
>>
>>      Thanks,
>>      Paul (as sipcore co-chair)
>>
>> On 10/18/12 4:49 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Christer and I had put the new text into the (not-yet-submitted)
>>> draft. Here is the current snapshot:
>>> https://github.com/hannestschofenig/tschofenig-ids/blob/master/psap-callback/draft-ietf-ecrit-psap-callback-06.txt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Feedback we can be incorporated before the submission deadline.
>>>
>>> Ciao
>>> Hannes
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit
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>>
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Hi,

So, just to clarify: Adam is working on a draft which will create the IANA =
registry for Priority header field values, and the psap-callback draft will=
 then define and register a new header field value into that registry?

Regards,

Christer

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Subject: Re: [Ecrit] PSAP Callback Draft

On 10/18/12 1:31 PM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
> I am curious why you need a separate draft just to create an=20
> additional registry. We still have "space left" in the current PSAP callb=
ack draft...

Oh, I thought it was "full". :-)

We did discuss putting all the stuff to establish the IANA registry and gra=
ndfather the existing values into your draft. We just think that seems like=
 a poor organization. (Sort of a layering violation.) We also aren't out of=
 RFC numbers yet. :-)

	Thanks,
	Paul

> On 10/18/2012 08:05 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:
>> Hannes, Christer, ecrit wg,
>>
>> Robert, Adam and I have been discussing how best to handle the=20
>> updating of the Priority header to include a new value. Ideally there=20
>> would already be an IANA registry with defined procedures for adding=20
>> new values. But there isn't.
>>
>> So we have two alternatives:
>>
>> 1) Simply mark this draft as an update to 3261. Provide ABNF that=20
>> extends the syntax of the Priority header. (As your planned draft=20
>> does.)
>>
>> 2) Make an update to 3261 that establishes a new IANA registry for=20
>> Priority header field values, and populate it with all the values=20
>> included in 3261. Set the rules for adding new values to that registry.
>> Then set your new draft to follow those rules to add the new value to=20
>> the registry.
>>
>> The 2nd way is clearly more work, but it is the "cleaner" way to do it.
>> Robert has concerns that if we don't do that, and go with (1), then=20
>> we will have some difficulty getting it through IESG.
>>
>> So we would prefer to do (2). Adam already put together a draft of a=20
>> draft to do the revision to 3261. We can have that ready to submit=20
>> when submissions are opened up again the first day in Atlanta. It is=20
>> quite a straightforward thing to do so we expect we can have it=20
>> approved and ready for the IESG soon enough that it won't slow your=20
>> work up. Once that draft is filed you will be able to reference it in=20
>> your draft so they can be wrapped up in parallel.
>>
>> Is ecrit ok with that direction?
>>
>>      Thanks,
>>      Paul (as sipcore co-chair)
>>
>> On 10/18/12 4:49 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Christer and I had put the new text into the (not-yet-submitted)=20
>>> draft. Here is the current snapshot:
>>> https://github.com/hannestschofenig/tschofenig-ids/blob/master/psap-
>>> callback/draft-ietf-ecrit-psap-callback-06.txt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Feedback we can be incorporated before the submission deadline.
>>>
>>> Ciao
>>> Hannes
>>>
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On 10/18/12 4:22 PM, Christer Holmberg wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> So, just to clarify: Adam is working on a draft which will create the IANA registry for Priority header field values, and the psap-callback draft will then define and register a new header field value into that registry?

Yes!

	Thanks,
	Paul

> Regards,
>
> Christer
>
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>
> On 10/18/12 1:31 PM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
>> I am curious why you need a separate draft just to create an
>> additional registry. We still have "space left" in the current PSAP callback draft...
>
> Oh, I thought it was "full". :-)
>
> We did discuss putting all the stuff to establish the IANA registry and grandfather the existing values into your draft. We just think that seems like a poor organization. (Sort of a layering violation.) We also aren't out of RFC numbers yet. :-)
>
> 	Thanks,
> 	Paul
>
>> On 10/18/2012 08:05 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:
>>> Hannes, Christer, ecrit wg,
>>>
>>> Robert, Adam and I have been discussing how best to handle the
>>> updating of the Priority header to include a new value. Ideally there
>>> would already be an IANA registry with defined procedures for adding
>>> new values. But there isn't.
>>>
>>> So we have two alternatives:
>>>
>>> 1) Simply mark this draft as an update to 3261. Provide ABNF that
>>> extends the syntax of the Priority header. (As your planned draft
>>> does.)
>>>
>>> 2) Make an update to 3261 that establishes a new IANA registry for
>>> Priority header field values, and populate it with all the values
>>> included in 3261. Set the rules for adding new values to that registry.
>>> Then set your new draft to follow those rules to add the new value to
>>> the registry.
>>>
>>> The 2nd way is clearly more work, but it is the "cleaner" way to do it.
>>> Robert has concerns that if we don't do that, and go with (1), then
>>> we will have some difficulty getting it through IESG.
>>>
>>> So we would prefer to do (2). Adam already put together a draft of a
>>> draft to do the revision to 3261. We can have that ready to submit
>>> when submissions are opened up again the first day in Atlanta. It is
>>> quite a straightforward thing to do so we expect we can have it
>>> approved and ready for the IESG soon enough that it won't slow your
>>> work up. Once that draft is filed you will be able to reference it in
>>> your draft so they can be wrapped up in parallel.
>>>
>>> Is ecrit ok with that direction?
>>>
>>>       Thanks,
>>>       Paul (as sipcore co-chair)
>>>
>>> On 10/18/12 4:49 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Christer and I had put the new text into the (not-yet-submitted)
>>>> draft. Here is the current snapshot:
>>>> https://github.com/hannestschofenig/tschofenig-ids/blob/master/psap-
>>>> callback/draft-ietf-ecrit-psap-callback-06.txt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Feedback we can be incorporated before the submission deadline.
>>>>
>>>> Ciao
>>>> Hannes
>>>>
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Paul,

So do we have a commitment to progress both drafts expeditiously??  (Or at
least in lockstep so PSAP-Callback doesn't sit in the RFC Editor blackhole
due to dependencies)

Thanks,

-Marc-





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Subject: Re: [Ecrit] PSAP Callback Draft

>On 10/18/12 4:22 PM, Christer Holmberg wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> So, just to clarify: Adam is working on a draft which will create the
>>IANA registry for Priority header field values, and the psap-callback
>>draft will then define and register a new header field value into that
>>registry?
>
>Yes!
>
>	Thanks,
>	Paul
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Christer
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ecrit-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
>>Of Paul Kyzivat
>> Sent: 18. lokakuuta 2012 21:32
>> To: Hannes Tschofenig
>> Cc: rai-ads@tools.ietf.org; sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org;
>>ecrit@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] PSAP Callback Draft
>>
>> On 10/18/12 1:31 PM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
>>> I am curious why you need a separate draft just to create an
>>> additional registry. We still have "space left" in the current PSAP
>>>callback draft...
>>
>> Oh, I thought it was "full". :-)
>>
>> We did discuss putting all the stuff to establish the IANA registry and
>>grandfather the existing values into your draft. We just think that
>>seems like a poor organization. (Sort of a layering violation.) We also
>>aren't out of RFC numbers yet. :-)
>>
>> 	Thanks,
>> 	Paul
>>
>>> On 10/18/2012 08:05 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:
>>>> Hannes, Christer, ecrit wg,
>>>>
>>>> Robert, Adam and I have been discussing how best to handle the
>>>> updating of the Priority header to include a new value. Ideally there
>>>> would already be an IANA registry with defined procedures for adding
>>>> new values. But there isn't.
>>>>
>>>> So we have two alternatives:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Simply mark this draft as an update to 3261. Provide ABNF that
>>>> extends the syntax of the Priority header. (As your planned draft
>>>> does.)
>>>>
>>>> 2) Make an update to 3261 that establishes a new IANA registry for
>>>> Priority header field values, and populate it with all the values
>>>> included in 3261. Set the rules for adding new values to that
>>>>registry.
>>>> Then set your new draft to follow those rules to add the new value to
>>>> the registry.
>>>>
>>>> The 2nd way is clearly more work, but it is the "cleaner" way to do
>>>>it.
>>>> Robert has concerns that if we don't do that, and go with (1), then
>>>> we will have some difficulty getting it through IESG.
>>>>
>>>> So we would prefer to do (2). Adam already put together a draft of a
>>>> draft to do the revision to 3261. We can have that ready to submit
>>>> when submissions are opened up again the first day in Atlanta. It is
>>>> quite a straightforward thing to do so we expect we can have it
>>>> approved and ready for the IESG soon enough that it won't slow your
>>>> work up. Once that draft is filed you will be able to reference it in
>>>> your draft so they can be wrapped up in parallel.
>>>>
>>>> Is ecrit ok with that direction?
>>>>
>>>>       Thanks,
>>>>       Paul (as sipcore co-chair)
>>>>
>>>> On 10/18/12 4:49 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Christer and I had put the new text into the (not-yet-submitted)
>>>>> draft. Here is the current snapshot:
>>>>> https://github.com/hannestschofenig/tschofenig-ids/blob/master/psap-
>>>>> callback/draft-ietf-ecrit-psap-callback-06.txt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Feedback we can be incorporated before the submission deadline.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ciao
>>>>> Hannes
>>>>>
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-----Original Message-----
From: ext Marc Linsner
Sent: 10/19/2012 3:42 PM
To: Paul Kyzivat; Christer Holmberg
Cc: rai-ads@tools.ietf.org; sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org; ecrit@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Ecrit] PSAP Callback Draft

Paul,

So do we have a commitment to progress both drafts expeditiously??  (Or at
least in lockstep so PSAP-Callback doesn't sit in the RFC Editor blackhole
due to dependencies)

Thanks,

-Marc-





-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu>
Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:26 PM
To: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
Cc: "sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org" <sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org>,
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Subject: Re: [Ecrit] PSAP Callback Draft

>On 10/18/12 4:22 PM, Christer Holmberg wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> So, just to clarify: Adam is working on a draft which will create the
>>IANA registry for Priority header field values, and the psap-callback
>>draft will then define and register a new header field value into that
>>registry?
>
>Yes!
>
>	Thanks,
>	Paul
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Christer
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ecrit-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
>>Of Paul Kyzivat
>> Sent: 18. lokakuuta 2012 21:32
>> To: Hannes Tschofenig
>> Cc: rai-ads@tools.ietf.org; sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org;
>>ecrit@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] PSAP Callback Draft
>>
>> On 10/18/12 1:31 PM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
>>> I am curious why you need a separate draft just to create an
>>> additional registry. We still have "space left" in the current PSAP
>>>callback draft...
>>
>> Oh, I thought it was "full". :-)
>>
>> We did discuss putting all the stuff to establish the IANA registry and
>>grandfather the existing values into your draft. We just think that
>>seems like a poor organization. (Sort of a layering violation.) We also
>>aren't out of RFC numbers yet. :-)
>>
>> 	Thanks,
>> 	Paul
>>
>>> On 10/18/2012 08:05 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:
>>>> Hannes, Christer, ecrit wg,
>>>>
>>>> Robert, Adam and I have been discussing how best to handle the
>>>> updating of the Priority header to include a new value. Ideally there
>>>> would already be an IANA registry with defined procedures for adding
>>>> new values. But there isn't.
>>>>
>>>> So we have two alternatives:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Simply mark this draft as an update to 3261. Provide ABNF that
>>>> extends the syntax of the Priority header. (As your planned draft
>>>> does.)
>>>>
>>>> 2) Make an update to 3261 that establishes a new IANA registry for
>>>> Priority header field values, and populate it with all the values
>>>> included in 3261. Set the rules for adding new values to that
>>>>registry.
>>>> Then set your new draft to follow those rules to add the new value to
>>>> the registry.
>>>>
>>>> The 2nd way is clearly more work, but it is the "cleaner" way to do
>>>>it.
>>>> Robert has concerns that if we don't do that, and go with (1), then
>>>> we will have some difficulty getting it through IESG.
>>>>
>>>> So we would prefer to do (2). Adam already put together a draft of a
>>>> draft to do the revision to 3261. We can have that ready to submit
>>>> when submissions are opened up again the first day in Atlanta. It is
>>>> quite a straightforward thing to do so we expect we can have it
>>>> approved and ready for the IESG soon enough that it won't slow your
>>>> work up. Once that draft is filed you will be able to reference it in
>>>> your draft so they can be wrapped up in parallel.
>>>>
>>>> Is ecrit ok with that direction?
>>>>
>>>>       Thanks,
>>>>       Paul (as sipcore co-chair)
>>>>
>>>> On 10/18/12 4:49 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Christer and I had put the new text into the (not-yet-submitted)
>>>>> draft. Here is the current snapshot:
>>>>> https://github.com/hannestschofenig/tschofenig-ids/blob/master/psap-
>>>>> callback/draft-ietf-ecrit-psap-callback-06.txt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Feedback we can be incorporated before the submission deadline.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ciao
>>>>> Hannes
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Ecrit mailing list
>>>>> Ecrit@ietf.org
>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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On 10/19/12 8:42 AM, Marc Linsner wrote:
> Paul,
>
> So do we have a commitment to progress both drafts expeditiously??  (Or at
> least in lockstep so PSAP-Callback doesn't sit in the RFC Editor blackhole
> due to dependencies)

Yes, that is the plan.

	Thanks,
	Paul

> Thanks,
>
> -Marc-
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu>
> Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:26 PM
> To: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
> Cc: "sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org" <sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org>,
> "rai-ads@tools.ietf.org" <rai-ads@tools.ietf.org>, "ecrit@ietf.org"
> <ecrit@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] PSAP Callback Draft
>
>> On 10/18/12 4:22 PM, Christer Holmberg wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> So, just to clarify: Adam is working on a draft which will create the
>>> IANA registry for Priority header field values, and the psap-callback
>>> draft will then define and register a new header field value into that
>>> registry?
>>
>> Yes!
>>
>> 	Thanks,
>> 	Paul
>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Christer
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ecrit-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Paul Kyzivat
>>> Sent: 18. lokakuuta 2012 21:32
>>> To: Hannes Tschofenig
>>> Cc: rai-ads@tools.ietf.org; sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org;
>>> ecrit@ietf.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] PSAP Callback Draft
>>>
>>> On 10/18/12 1:31 PM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
>>>> I am curious why you need a separate draft just to create an
>>>> additional registry. We still have "space left" in the current PSAP
>>>> callback draft...
>>>
>>> Oh, I thought it was "full". :-)
>>>
>>> We did discuss putting all the stuff to establish the IANA registry and
>>> grandfather the existing values into your draft. We just think that
>>> seems like a poor organization. (Sort of a layering violation.) We also
>>> aren't out of RFC numbers yet. :-)
>>>
>>> 	Thanks,
>>> 	Paul
>>>
>>>> On 10/18/2012 08:05 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:
>>>>> Hannes, Christer, ecrit wg,
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert, Adam and I have been discussing how best to handle the
>>>>> updating of the Priority header to include a new value. Ideally there
>>>>> would already be an IANA registry with defined procedures for adding
>>>>> new values. But there isn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> So we have two alternatives:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Simply mark this draft as an update to 3261. Provide ABNF that
>>>>> extends the syntax of the Priority header. (As your planned draft
>>>>> does.)
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Make an update to 3261 that establishes a new IANA registry for
>>>>> Priority header field values, and populate it with all the values
>>>>> included in 3261. Set the rules for adding new values to that
>>>>> registry.
>>>>> Then set your new draft to follow those rules to add the new value to
>>>>> the registry.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 2nd way is clearly more work, but it is the "cleaner" way to do
>>>>> it.
>>>>> Robert has concerns that if we don't do that, and go with (1), then
>>>>> we will have some difficulty getting it through IESG.
>>>>>
>>>>> So we would prefer to do (2). Adam already put together a draft of a
>>>>> draft to do the revision to 3261. We can have that ready to submit
>>>>> when submissions are opened up again the first day in Atlanta. It is
>>>>> quite a straightforward thing to do so we expect we can have it
>>>>> approved and ready for the IESG soon enough that it won't slow your
>>>>> work up. Once that draft is filed you will be able to reference it in
>>>>> your draft so they can be wrapped up in parallel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is ecrit ok with that direction?
>>>>>
>>>>>        Thanks,
>>>>>        Paul (as sipcore co-chair)
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/18/12 4:49 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Christer and I had put the new text into the (not-yet-submitted)
>>>>>> draft. Here is the current snapshot:
>>>>>> https://github.com/hannestschofenig/tschofenig-ids/blob/master/psap-
>>>>>> callback/draft-ietf-ecrit-psap-callback-06.txt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Feedback we can be incorporated before the submission deadline.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ciao
>>>>>> Hannes
>>>>>>
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Hi,

I support moving ahead with two drafts.=20

Because, that means we can keep the psap-callback draft in ECRIT, while I a=
ssume the Privacy registry draft will be produced in SIPCORE.

Assuming, of course, that SIPCORE will agree to produce such draft. I hope =
such agreement can come asap.

Regards,

Christer


=20

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Sent: 19. lokakuuta 2012 18:39
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Subject: Re: [Ecrit] PSAP Callback Draft

On 10/19/12 8:42 AM, Marc Linsner wrote:
> Paul,
>
> So do we have a commitment to progress both drafts expeditiously?? =20
> (Or at least in lockstep so PSAP-Callback doesn't sit in the RFC=20
> Editor blackhole due to dependencies)

Yes, that is the plan.

	Thanks,
	Paul

> Thanks,
>
> -Marc-
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu>
> Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:26 PM
> To: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
> Cc: "sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org" <sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org>,=20
> "rai-ads@tools.ietf.org" <rai-ads@tools.ietf.org>, "ecrit@ietf.org"
> <ecrit@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] PSAP Callback Draft
>
>> On 10/18/12 4:22 PM, Christer Holmberg wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> So, just to clarify: Adam is working on a draft which will create=20
>>> the IANA registry for Priority header field values, and the=20
>>> psap-callback draft will then define and register a new header field=20
>>> value into that registry?
>>
>> Yes!
>>
>> 	Thanks,
>> 	Paul
>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Christer
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ecrit-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] On=20
>>> Behalf Of Paul Kyzivat
>>> Sent: 18. lokakuuta 2012 21:32
>>> To: Hannes Tschofenig
>>> Cc: rai-ads@tools.ietf.org; sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org;=20
>>> ecrit@ietf.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] PSAP Callback Draft
>>>
>>> On 10/18/12 1:31 PM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
>>>> I am curious why you need a separate draft just to create an=20
>>>> additional registry. We still have "space left" in the current PSAP=20
>>>> callback draft...
>>>
>>> Oh, I thought it was "full". :-)
>>>
>>> We did discuss putting all the stuff to establish the IANA registry=20
>>> and grandfather the existing values into your draft. We just think=20
>>> that seems like a poor organization. (Sort of a layering violation.)=20
>>> We also aren't out of RFC numbers yet. :-)
>>>
>>> 	Thanks,
>>> 	Paul
>>>
>>>> On 10/18/2012 08:05 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:
>>>>> Hannes, Christer, ecrit wg,
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert, Adam and I have been discussing how best to handle the=20
>>>>> updating of the Priority header to include a new value. Ideally=20
>>>>> there would already be an IANA registry with defined procedures=20
>>>>> for adding new values. But there isn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> So we have two alternatives:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Simply mark this draft as an update to 3261. Provide ABNF that=20
>>>>> extends the syntax of the Priority header. (As your planned draft
>>>>> does.)
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Make an update to 3261 that establishes a new IANA registry for=20
>>>>> Priority header field values, and populate it with all the values=20
>>>>> included in 3261. Set the rules for adding new values to that=20
>>>>> registry.
>>>>> Then set your new draft to follow those rules to add the new value=20
>>>>> to the registry.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 2nd way is clearly more work, but it is the "cleaner" way to=20
>>>>> do it.
>>>>> Robert has concerns that if we don't do that, and go with (1),=20
>>>>> then we will have some difficulty getting it through IESG.
>>>>>
>>>>> So we would prefer to do (2). Adam already put together a draft of=20
>>>>> a draft to do the revision to 3261. We can have that ready to=20
>>>>> submit when submissions are opened up again the first day in=20
>>>>> Atlanta. It is quite a straightforward thing to do so we expect we=20
>>>>> can have it approved and ready for the IESG soon enough that it=20
>>>>> won't slow your work up. Once that draft is filed you will be able=20
>>>>> to reference it in your draft so they can be wrapped up in parallel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is ecrit ok with that direction?
>>>>>
>>>>>        Thanks,
>>>>>        Paul (as sipcore co-chair)
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/18/12 4:49 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Christer and I had put the new text into the (not-yet-submitted)=20
>>>>>> draft. Here is the current snapshot:
>>>>>> https://github.com/hannestschofenig/tschofenig-ids/blob/master/ps
>>>>>> ap- callback/draft-ietf-ecrit-psap-callback-06.txt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Feedback we can be incorporated before the submission deadline.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ciao
>>>>>> Hannes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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At 02:01 PM 10/19/2012, Christer Holmberg wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I support moving ahead with two drafts.
>
>Because, that means we can keep the psap-callback draft in ECRIT, 
>while I assume the Privacy

s/privacy/priority

>registry draft will be produced in SIPCORE.
>
>Assuming, of course, that SIPCORE will agree to produce such draft. 
>I hope such agreement can come asap.
>
>Regards,
>
>Christer
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Kyzivat [mailto:pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu]
>Sent: 19. lokakuuta 2012 18:39
>To: Marc Linsner
>Cc: Christer Holmberg; sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org; 
>rai-ads@tools.ietf.org; ecrit@ietf.org
>Subject: Re: [Ecrit] PSAP Callback Draft
>
>On 10/19/12 8:42 AM, Marc Linsner wrote:
> > Paul,
> >
> > So do we have a commitment to progress both drafts expeditiously??
> > (Or at least in lockstep so PSAP-Callback doesn't sit in the RFC
> > Editor blackhole due to dependencies)
>
>Yes, that is the plan.
>
>         Thanks,
>         Paul
>
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Marc-
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu>
> > Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:26 PM
> > To: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
> > Cc: "sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org" <sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org>,
> > "rai-ads@tools.ietf.org" <rai-ads@tools.ietf.org>, "ecrit@ietf.org"
> > <ecrit@ietf.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Ecrit] PSAP Callback Draft
> >
> >> On 10/18/12 4:22 PM, Christer Holmberg wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> So, just to clarify: Adam is working on a draft which will create
> >>> the IANA registry for Priority header field values, and the
> >>> psap-callback draft will then define and register a new header field
> >>> value into that registry?
> >>
> >> Yes!
> >>
> >>      Thanks,
> >>      Paul
> >>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Christer
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: ecrit-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] On
> >>> Behalf Of Paul Kyzivat
> >>> Sent: 18. lokakuuta 2012 21:32
> >>> To: Hannes Tschofenig
> >>> Cc: rai-ads@tools.ietf.org; sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org;
> >>> ecrit@ietf.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] PSAP Callback Draft
> >>>
> >>> On 10/18/12 1:31 PM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
> >>>> I am curious why you need a separate draft just to create an
> >>>> additional registry. We still have "space left" in the current PSAP
> >>>> callback draft...
> >>>
> >>> Oh, I thought it was "full". :-)
> >>>
> >>> We did discuss putting all the stuff to establish the IANA registry
> >>> and grandfather the existing values into your draft. We just think
> >>> that seems like a poor organization. (Sort of a layering violation.)
> >>> We also aren't out of RFC numbers yet. :-)
> >>>
> >>>     Thanks,
> >>>     Paul
> >>>
> >>>> On 10/18/2012 08:05 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:
> >>>>> Hannes, Christer, ecrit wg,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Robert, Adam and I have been discussing how best to handle the
> >>>>> updating of the Priority header to include a new value. Ideally
> >>>>> there would already be an IANA registry with defined procedures
> >>>>> for adding new values. But there isn't.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So we have two alternatives:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1) Simply mark this draft as an update to 3261. Provide ABNF that
> >>>>> extends the syntax of the Priority header. (As your planned draft
> >>>>> does.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2) Make an update to 3261 that establishes a new IANA registry for
> >>>>> Priority header field values, and populate it with all the values
> >>>>> included in 3261. Set the rules for adding new values to that
> >>>>> registry.
> >>>>> Then set your new draft to follow those rules to add the new value
> >>>>> to the registry.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The 2nd way is clearly more work, but it is the "cleaner" way to
> >>>>> do it.
> >>>>> Robert has concerns that if we don't do that, and go with (1),
> >>>>> then we will have some difficulty getting it through IESG.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So we would prefer to do (2). Adam already put together a draft of
> >>>>> a draft to do the revision to 3261. We can have that ready to
> >>>>> submit when submissions are opened up again the first day in
> >>>>> Atlanta. It is quite a straightforward thing to do so we expect we
> >>>>> can have it approved and ready for the IESG soon enough that it
> >>>>> won't slow your work up. Once that draft is filed you will be able
> >>>>> to reference it in your draft so they can be wrapped up in parallel.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is ecrit ok with that direction?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>        Thanks,
> >>>>>        Paul (as sipcore co-chair)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 10/18/12 4:49 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Christer and I had put the new text into the (not-yet-submitted)
> >>>>>> draft. Here is the current snapshot:
> >>>>>> https://github.com/hannestschofenig/tschofenig-ids/blob/master/ps
> >>>>>> ap- callback/draft-ietf-ecrit-psap-callback-06.txt
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Feedback we can be incorporated before the submission deadline.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ciao
> >>>>>> Hannes
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> Ecrit mailing list
> >>>>>> Ecrit@ietf.org
> >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit
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> >>>>>
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Correct :)

Regards,

Christer=20

-----Original Message-----
From: James Polk [mailto:jmpolk@cisco.com]=20
Sent: 19. lokakuuta 2012 22:47
To: Christer Holmberg; 'Paul Kyzivat'; Marc Linsner
Cc: rai-ads@tools.ietf.org; sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org; ecrit@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Ecrit] PSAP Callback Draft

At 02:01 PM 10/19/2012, Christer Holmberg wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I support moving ahead with two drafts.
>
>Because, that means we can keep the psap-callback draft in ECRIT, while=20
>I assume the Privacy

s/privacy/priority

>registry draft will be produced in SIPCORE.
>
>Assuming, of course, that SIPCORE will agree to produce such draft.=20
>I hope such agreement can come asap.
>
>Regards,
>
>Christer
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Kyzivat [mailto:pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu]
>Sent: 19. lokakuuta 2012 18:39
>To: Marc Linsner
>Cc: Christer Holmberg; sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org;=20
>rai-ads@tools.ietf.org; ecrit@ietf.org
>Subject: Re: [Ecrit] PSAP Callback Draft
>
>On 10/19/12 8:42 AM, Marc Linsner wrote:
> > Paul,
> >
> > So do we have a commitment to progress both drafts expeditiously??
> > (Or at least in lockstep so PSAP-Callback doesn't sit in the RFC=20
> > Editor blackhole due to dependencies)
>
>Yes, that is the plan.
>
>         Thanks,
>         Paul
>
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Marc-
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu>
> > Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:26 PM
> > To: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
> > Cc: "sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org" <sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org>,=20
> > "rai-ads@tools.ietf.org" <rai-ads@tools.ietf.org>, "ecrit@ietf.org"
> > <ecrit@ietf.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Ecrit] PSAP Callback Draft
> >
> >> On 10/18/12 4:22 PM, Christer Holmberg wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> So, just to clarify: Adam is working on a draft which will create=20
> >>> the IANA registry for Priority header field values, and the=20
> >>> psap-callback draft will then define and register a new header=20
> >>> field value into that registry?
> >>
> >> Yes!
> >>
> >>      Thanks,
> >>      Paul
> >>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Christer
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: ecrit-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] On=20
> >>> Behalf Of Paul Kyzivat
> >>> Sent: 18. lokakuuta 2012 21:32
> >>> To: Hannes Tschofenig
> >>> Cc: rai-ads@tools.ietf.org; sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org;=20
> >>> ecrit@ietf.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] PSAP Callback Draft
> >>>
> >>> On 10/18/12 1:31 PM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
> >>>> I am curious why you need a separate draft just to create an=20
> >>>> additional registry. We still have "space left" in the current=20
> >>>> PSAP callback draft...
> >>>
> >>> Oh, I thought it was "full". :-)
> >>>
> >>> We did discuss putting all the stuff to establish the IANA=20
> >>> registry and grandfather the existing values into your draft. We=20
> >>> just think that seems like a poor organization. (Sort of a=20
> >>> layering violation.) We also aren't out of RFC numbers yet. :-)
> >>>
> >>>     Thanks,
> >>>     Paul
> >>>
> >>>> On 10/18/2012 08:05 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:
> >>>>> Hannes, Christer, ecrit wg,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Robert, Adam and I have been discussing how best to handle the=20
> >>>>> updating of the Priority header to include a new value. Ideally=20
> >>>>> there would already be an IANA registry with defined procedures=20
> >>>>> for adding new values. But there isn't.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So we have two alternatives:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1) Simply mark this draft as an update to 3261. Provide ABNF=20
> >>>>> that extends the syntax of the Priority header. (As your planned=20
> >>>>> draft
> >>>>> does.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2) Make an update to 3261 that establishes a new IANA registry=20
> >>>>> for Priority header field values, and populate it with all the=20
> >>>>> values included in 3261. Set the rules for adding new values to=20
> >>>>> that registry.
> >>>>> Then set your new draft to follow those rules to add the new=20
> >>>>> value to the registry.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The 2nd way is clearly more work, but it is the "cleaner" way to=20
> >>>>> do it.
> >>>>> Robert has concerns that if we don't do that, and go with (1),=20
> >>>>> then we will have some difficulty getting it through IESG.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So we would prefer to do (2). Adam already put together a draft=20
> >>>>> of a draft to do the revision to 3261. We can have that ready to=20
> >>>>> submit when submissions are opened up again the first day in=20
> >>>>> Atlanta. It is quite a straightforward thing to do so we expect=20
> >>>>> we can have it approved and ready for the IESG soon enough that=20
> >>>>> it won't slow your work up. Once that draft is filed you will be=20
> >>>>> able to reference it in your draft so they can be wrapped up in par=
allel.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is ecrit ok with that direction?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>        Thanks,
> >>>>>        Paul (as sipcore co-chair)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 10/18/12 4:49 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Christer and I had put the new text into the=20
> >>>>>> (not-yet-submitted) draft. Here is the current snapshot:
> >>>>>> https://github.com/hannestschofenig/tschofenig-ids/blob/master/
> >>>>>> ps
> >>>>>> ap- callback/draft-ietf-ecrit-psap-callback-06.txt
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Feedback we can be incorporated before the submission deadline.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ciao
> >>>>>> Hannes
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
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   For some location-based applications, such as emergency calling or
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	Title           : Public Safety Answering Point (PSAP) Callback
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	Filename        : draft-ietf-ecrit-psap-callback-06.txt
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Abstract:
   After an emergency call is completed (either prematurely terminated
   by the emergency caller or normally by the call taker) it is possible
   that the call taker feels the need for further communication.  For
   example, the call may have been dropped by accident without the call
   taker having sufficient information about the current situation of a
   wounded person.  A call taker may trigger a callback towards the
   emergency caller using the contact information provided with the
   initial emergency call.  This callback could, under certain
   circumstances, be treated like any other call and as a consequence it
   may get blocked by authorization policies or may get forwarded to an
   answering machine.

   The IETF emergency services architecture specification already offers
   a solution approach for allowing PSAP callbacks to bypass
   authorization policies to reach the caller without unnecessary
   delays.  Unfortunately, the specified mechanism only supports limited
   scenarios.  This document discusses shortcomings of the current
   mechanisms and illustrates additional scenarios where better-than-
   normal call treatment behavior would be desirable.

   Note that this version of the document does not yet specify a
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	Title           : Additional Data related to an Emergency Call
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	Pages           : 55
	Date            : 2012-10-22

Abstract:
   When an emergency call is sent to a Public Safety Answering Point
   (PSAP), the device that sends it, as well as any service provider in
   the path of the call, or access network through which the call
   originated may have information about the call which the PSAP may be
   able to use.  This document describes an XML data structure to
   contains such data and a Uniform Resource Identifier (URI) for
   conveying the data to the PSAP.  The URI may point to either an
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[speaking as SIPCORE chair]

Hannes:

I understand the concern -- but the counter is that fixing what appears 
to be a bug in the core SIP spec* seems a bit out of charter for ECRIT. 
I'm not entirely certain you'd have review from the SIP community at 
large for creation of the registry, and I think that such visibility is 
necessary.

The SIPCORE document would be a very short one. The only issue that is 
likely (in my personal opinion) to generate significant discussion is 
IANA registration policy. Given that SIPCORE doesn't have a ton on its 
plate right now, I'm pretty comfortable that we can get such a document 
pubreq'd fast enough that it won't get in the way of ECRIT's document 
being published.

/a


* To wit: I consider it a bug that we have defined a clear extension 
point in the protocol without also defining a registry for values.



On 10/19/12 7:57 AM, Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo) wrote:
> Experience tells me to put the stuff in one document. Just think about 
> Phone BCP...
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: ext Marc Linsner
> Sent: 10/19/2012 3:42 PM
> To: Paul Kyzivat; Christer Holmberg
> Cc: rai-ads@tools.ietf.org; sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org; ecrit@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] PSAP Callback Draft
>
> Paul,
>
> So do we have a commitment to progress both drafts expeditiously??  (Or at
> least in lockstep so PSAP-Callback doesn't sit in the RFC Editor blackhole
> due to dependencies)
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Marc-
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu>
> Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:26 PM
> To: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
> Cc: "sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org" <sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org>,
> "rai-ads@tools.ietf.org" <rai-ads@tools.ietf.org>, "ecrit@ietf.org"
> <ecrit@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] PSAP Callback Draft
>
> >On 10/18/12 4:22 PM, Christer Holmberg wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> So, just to clarify: Adam is working on a draft which will create the
> >>IANA registry for Priority header field values, and the psap-callback
> >>draft will then define and register a new header field value into that
> >>registry?
> >
> >Yes!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Paul
> >
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Christer
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ecrit-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
> >>Of Paul Kyzivat
> >> Sent: 18. lokakuuta 2012 21:32
> >> To: Hannes Tschofenig
> >> Cc: rai-ads@tools.ietf.org; sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org;
> >>ecrit@ietf.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] PSAP Callback Draft
> >>
> >> On 10/18/12 1:31 PM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
> >>> I am curious why you need a separate draft just to create an
> >>> additional registry. We still have "space left" in the current PSAP
> >>>callback draft...
> >>
> >> Oh, I thought it was "full". :-)
> >>
> >> We did discuss putting all the stuff to establish the IANA registry and
> >>grandfather the existing values into your draft. We just think that
> >>seems like a poor organization. (Sort of a layering violation.) We also
> >>aren't out of RFC numbers yet. :-)
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Paul
> >>
> >>> On 10/18/2012 08:05 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:
> >>>> Hannes, Christer, ecrit wg,
> >>>>
> >>>> Robert, Adam and I have been discussing how best to handle the
> >>>> updating of the Priority header to include a new value. Ideally there
> >>>> would already be an IANA registry with defined procedures for adding
> >>>> new values. But there isn't.
> >>>>
> >>>> So we have two alternatives:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) Simply mark this draft as an update to 3261. Provide ABNF that
> >>>> extends the syntax of the Priority header. (As your planned draft
> >>>> does.)
> >>>>
> >>>> 2) Make an update to 3261 that establishes a new IANA registry for
> >>>> Priority header field values, and populate it with all the values
> >>>> included in 3261. Set the rules for adding new values to that
> >>>>registry.
> >>>> Then set your new draft to follow those rules to add the new value to
> >>>> the registry.
> >>>>
> >>>> The 2nd way is clearly more work, but it is the "cleaner" way to do
> >>>>it.
> >>>> Robert has concerns that if we don't do that, and go with (1), then
> >>>> we will have some difficulty getting it through IESG.
> >>>>
> >>>> So we would prefer to do (2). Adam already put together a draft of a
> >>>> draft to do the revision to 3261. We can have that ready to submit
> >>>> when submissions are opened up again the first day in Atlanta. It is
> >>>> quite a straightforward thing to do so we expect we can have it
> >>>> approved and ready for the IESG soon enough that it won't slow your
> >>>> work up. Once that draft is filed you will be able to reference it in
> >>>> your draft so they can be wrapped up in parallel.
> >>>>
> >>>> Is ecrit ok with that direction?
> >>>>
> >>>>       Thanks,
> >>>>       Paul (as sipcore co-chair)
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/18/12 4:49 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
> >>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Christer and I had put the new text into the (not-yet-submitted)
> >>>>> draft. Here is the current snapshot:
> >>>>> https://github.com/hannestschofenig/tschofenig-ids/blob/master/psap-
> >>>>> callback/draft-ietf-ecrit-psap-callback-06.txt
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Feedback we can be incorporated before the submission deadline.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ciao
> >>>>> Hannes
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Ecrit mailing list
> >>>>> Ecrit@ietf.org
> >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Ecrit mailing list
> >>>> Ecrit@ietf.org
> >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Ecrit mailing list
> >> Ecrit@ietf.org
> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit
> >>
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">[speaking as SIPCORE chair]<br>
      <br>
      Hannes:<br>
      <br>
      I understand the concern -- but the counter is that fixing what
      appears to be a bug in the core SIP spec* seems a bit out of
      charter for ECRIT. I'm not entirely certain you'd have review from
      the SIP community at large for creation of the registry, and I
      think that such visibility is necessary.<br>
      <br>
      The SIPCORE document would be a very short one. The only issue
      that is likely (in my personal opinion) to generate significant
      discussion is IANA registration policy. Given that SIPCORE doesn't
      have a ton on its plate right now, I'm pretty comfortable that we
      can get such a document pubreq'd fast enough that it won't get in
      the way of ECRIT's document being published.<br>
      <br>
      /a<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      * To wit: I consider it a bug that we have defined a clear
      extension point in the protocol without also defining a registry
      for values.<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 10/19/12 7:57 AM, Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo) wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote cite="mid:377901cdadf9$2713c4a7$5e209f0a@nsnintra.net"
      type="cite">
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        <div style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Experience
          tells me to put the stuff in one document. Just think about
          Phone BCP...<br>
          <br>
          Sent from my Windows Phone<br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <hr><span style="font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;
        font-weight: bold;">From: </span><span style="font-family:
        Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">ext Marc Linsner</span><br>
      <span style="font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;
        font-weight: bold;">Sent: </span><span style="font-family:
        Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">10/19/2012 3:42 PM</span><br>
      <span style="font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;
        font-weight: bold;">To: </span><span style="font-family:
        Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Paul Kyzivat; Christer
        Holmberg</span><br>
      <span style="font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;
        font-weight: bold;">Cc: </span><span style="font-family:
        Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rai-ads@tools.ietf.org">rai-ads@tools.ietf.org</a>;
        <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org">sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ecrit@ietf.org">ecrit@ietf.org</a></span><br>
      <span style="font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;
        font-weight: bold;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family:
        Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Re: [Ecrit] PSAP Callback
        Draft</span><br>
      <br>
      Paul,<br>
      <br>
      So do we have a commitment to progress both drafts
      expeditiously??&nbsp; (Or at<br>
      least in lockstep so PSAP-Callback doesn't sit in the RFC Editor
      blackhole<br>
      due to dependencies)<br>
      <br>
      Thanks,<br>
      <br>
      -Marc-<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      -----Original Message-----<br>
      From: Paul Kyzivat <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu">&lt;pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu&gt;</a><br>
      Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:26 PM<br>
      To: Christer Holmberg <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:christer.holmberg@ericsson.com">&lt;christer.holmberg@ericsson.com&gt;</a><br>
      Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org">"sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org"</a>
      <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org">&lt;sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org&gt;</a>,<br>
      <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rai-ads@tools.ietf.org">"rai-ads@tools.ietf.org"</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rai-ads@tools.ietf.org">&lt;rai-ads@tools.ietf.org&gt;</a>,
      <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ecrit@ietf.org">"ecrit@ietf.org"</a><br>
      <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ecrit@ietf.org">&lt;ecrit@ietf.org&gt;</a><br>
      Subject: Re: [Ecrit] PSAP Callback Draft<br>
      <br>
      &gt;On 10/18/12 4:22 PM, Christer Holmberg wrote:<br>
      &gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt; Hi,<br>
      &gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt; So, just to clarify: Adam is working on a draft which
      will create the<br>
      &gt;&gt;IANA registry for Priority header field values, and the
      psap-callback<br>
      &gt;&gt;draft will then define and register a new header field
      value into that<br>
      &gt;&gt;registry?<br>
      &gt;<br>
      &gt;Yes!<br>
      &gt;<br>
      &gt; Thanks,<br>
      &gt; Paul<br>
      &gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt; Regards,<br>
      &gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt; Christer<br>
      &gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
      &gt;&gt; From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org">ecrit-bounces@ietf.org</a>
      [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org</a>] On Behalf<br>
      &gt;&gt;Of Paul Kyzivat<br>
      &gt;&gt; Sent: 18. lokakuuta 2012 21:32<br>
      &gt;&gt; To: Hannes Tschofenig<br>
      &gt;&gt; Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rai-ads@tools.ietf.org">rai-ads@tools.ietf.org</a>;
      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org">sipcore-chairs@tools.ietf.org</a>;<br>
      &gt;&gt;<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ecrit@ietf.org">ecrit@ietf.org</a><br>
      &gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [Ecrit] PSAP Callback Draft<br>
      &gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt; On 10/18/12 1:31 PM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt; I am curious why you need a separate draft just to
      create an<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt; additional registry. We still have "space left" in
      the current PSAP<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;callback draft...<br>
      &gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt; Oh, I thought it was "full". :-)<br>
      &gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt; We did discuss putting all the stuff to establish the
      IANA registry and<br>
      &gt;&gt;grandfather the existing values into your draft. We just
      think that<br>
      &gt;&gt;seems like a poor organization. (Sort of a layering
      violation.) We also<br>
      &gt;&gt;aren't out of RFC numbers yet. :-)<br>
      &gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt; Thanks,<br>
      &gt;&gt; Paul<br>
      &gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt; On 10/18/2012 08:05 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hannes, Christer, ecrit wg,<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Robert, Adam and I have been discussing how best
      to handle the<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; updating of the Priority header to include a new
      value. Ideally there<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; would already be an IANA registry with defined
      procedures for adding<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; new values. But there isn't.<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; So we have two alternatives:<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 1) Simply mark this draft as an update to 3261.
      Provide ABNF that<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; extends the syntax of the Priority header. (As
      your planned draft<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; does.)<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2) Make an update to 3261 that establishes a new
      IANA registry for<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Priority header field values, and populate it
      with all the values<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; included in 3261. Set the rules for adding new
      values to that<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;registry.<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Then set your new draft to follow those rules to
      add the new value to<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the registry.<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The 2nd way is clearly more work, but it is the
      "cleaner" way to do<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;it.<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Robert has concerns that if we don't do that, and
      go with (1), then<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; we will have some difficulty getting it through
      IESG.<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; So we would prefer to do (2). Adam already put
      together a draft of a<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; draft to do the revision to 3261. We can have
      that ready to submit<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; when submissions are opened up again the first
      day in Atlanta. It is<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; quite a straightforward thing to do so we expect
      we can have it<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; approved and ready for the IESG soon enough that
      it won't slow your<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; work up. Once that draft is filed you will be
      able to reference it in<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; your draft so they can be wrapped up in parallel.<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Is ecrit ok with that direction?<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks,<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Paul (as sipcore co-chair)<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On 10/18/12 4:49 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi all,<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Christer and I had put the new text into the
      (not-yet-submitted)<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; draft. Here is the current snapshot:<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/hannestschofenig/tschofenig-ids/blob/master/psap">https://github.com/hannestschofenig/tschofenig-ids/blob/master/psap</a>-<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
      callback/draft-ietf-ecrit-psap-callback-06.txt<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Feedback we can be incorporated before the
      submission deadline.<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Ciao<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hannes<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
      _______________________________________________<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Ecrit mailing list<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Ecrit@ietf.org">Ecrit@ietf.org</a><br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit</a><br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Ecrit mailing list<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Ecrit@ietf.org">Ecrit@ietf.org</a><br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit</a><br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
      &gt;&gt; Ecrit mailing list<br>
      &gt;&gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Ecrit@ietf.org">Ecrit@ietf.org</a><br>
      &gt;&gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit</a><br>
      &gt;&gt;<br>
      &gt;<br>
      &gt;_______________________________________________<br>
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On 10/18/12 3:22 PM, Christer Holmberg wrote:
> Hi,
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> So, just to clarify: Adam is working on a draft which will create the IANA registry for Priority header field values, and the psap-callback draft will then define and register a new header field value into that registry?

That's the plan. I have one ready, and will be submitting it Monday of 
the IETF meeting, in order to start the ball rolling in SIPCORE as soon 
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I have revved additional-data

I have implemented the suggestions provided by NENA via Matt Serra, the edi=
torial suggestions from Randy, changed the way multiple blocks are pointed =
to per the last meeting discussion, added a comment block and  changed refe=
rences from vCard to xCard.

I believe this draft is ready for WGLC.

Brian


Begin forwarded message:

From: internet-drafts@ietf.org<mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org>
Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-additional-data-05.txt
Date: October 22, 2012 7:14:23 AM EDT
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.
This draft is a work item of the Emergency Context Resolution with Internet=
 Technologies Working Group of the IETF.

Title           : Additional Data related to an Emergency Call
Author(s)       : Brian Rosen
                         Hannes Tschofenig
                         Roger Marshall
Filename        : draft-ietf-ecrit-additional-data-05.txt
Pages           : 55
Date            : 2012-10-22

Abstract:
  When an emergency call is sent to a Public Safety Answering Point
  (PSAP), the device that sends it, as well as any service provider in
  the path of the call, or access network through which the call
  originated may have information about the call which the PSAP may be
  able to use.  This document describes an XML data structure to
  contains such data and a Uniform Resource Identifier (URI) for
  conveying the data to the PSAP.  The URI may point to either an
  external resource, or the body of the SIP message.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ecrit-additional-data

There's also a htmlized version available at:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ecrit-additional-data-05

A diff from the previous version is available at:
http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ecrit-additional-data-05


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: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I have revved additional-=
data<div><br></div><div>I have implemented the suggestions provided by NENA=
 via Matt Serra, the editorial suggestions from Randy, changed the way mult=
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v><div>I believe this draft is ready for WGLC.</div><div><br></div><div>Bri=
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an><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><a href=3D"ma=
ilto:internet-drafts@ietf.org">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a><br></span></div=
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n class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Title &nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: Additional Data relat=
ed to an Emergency Call<br><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-sp=
ace:pre">	</span>Author(s) &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: Brian Rose=
n<br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;Hannes Tschofenig<br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Roger Marshall<br><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span=
" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Filename &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;: draft-ietf-ecrit-additional-data-05.txt<br><span class=3D"App=
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p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: 55<br><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span=
" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Date &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: 2012-10-22<br><br>Abstract:<br> &nbsp;&nb=
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bsp;&nbsp;(PSAP), the device that sends it, as well as any service provider=
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Hi Roger,

I had requested time for draft-winterbottom-ecrit-priv-loc-03 which is not =
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Cheers
James


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James:
Yes, you did.  I apologize for missing it.

I've just reposted the agenda with a slot added for draft-winterbottom-ecri=
t-priv-loc-03.

-roger.

From: Winterbottom, James [mailto:James.Winterbottom@commscope.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 3:08 PM
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Hi Roger,

I had requested time for draft-winterbottom-ecrit-priv-loc-03 which is not =
covered in the agenda.

Cheers
James


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The ECRIT proposed agenda has been uploaded and can be viewed at:

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/85/agenda/agenda-85-ecrit.txt



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Regards,



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Thanks Roger.


From: Roger Marshall [mailto:RMarshall@telecomsys.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 24 October 2012 9:16 AM
To: Winterbottom, James; ecrit@ietf.org
Subject: RE: IETF85 - ECRIT agenda posted. Comments?

James:
Yes, you did.  I apologize for missing it.

I've just reposted the agenda with a slot added for draft-winterbottom-ecri=
t-priv-loc-03.

-roger.

From: Winterbottom, James [mailto:James.Winterbottom@commscope.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 3:08 PM
To: Roger Marshall; ecrit@ietf.org<mailto:ecrit@ietf.org>
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Hi Roger,

I had requested time for draft-winterbottom-ecrit-priv-loc-03 which is not =
covered in the agenda.

Cheers
James


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Sent: Wednesday, 24 October 2012 8:49 AM
To: ecrit@ietf.org<mailto:ecrit@ietf.org>
Subject: [Ecrit] IETF85 - ECRIT agenda posted. Comments?


The ECRIT proposed agenda has been uploaded and can be viewed at:

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/85/agenda/agenda-85-ecrit.txt



Please send your comments for change before the start of IETF85.





Regards,



Roger Marshall & Marc Linsner, ECRIT Chairs


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nk=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'c=
olor:#1F497D'>Thanks Roger.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span=
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span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D=
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lass=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","s=
ans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ta=
homa","sans-serif"'> Roger Marshall [mailto:RMarshall@telecomsys.com] <br><=
b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 24 October 2012 9:16 AM<br><b>To:</b> Winterbottom, =
James; ecrit@ietf.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: IETF85 - ECRIT agenda posted. =
Comments?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>James:<o:p></o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Yes, you d=
id.&nbsp; I apologize for missing it.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I&#8217;ve just reposted the=
 agenda with a slot added for draft-winterbottom-ecrit-priv-loc-03.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>-roger=
.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid =
#B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Winterbot=
tom, James [<a href=3D"mailto:James.Winterbottom@commscope.com">mailto:Jame=
s.Winterbottom@commscope.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 23, 201=
2 3:08 PM<br><b>To:</b> Roger Marshall; <a href=3D"mailto:ecrit@ietf.org">e=
crit@ietf.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: IETF85 - ECRIT agenda posted. Comm=
ents?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hi Roger,<o:p></o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I had r=
equested time for draft-winterbottom-ecrit-priv-loc-03 which is not covered=
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tyle=3D'color:#1F497D'>James<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><spa=
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<span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=
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p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma"=
,"sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href=3D"mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org">ecrit-bou=
nces@ietf.org</a> [<a href=3D"mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:ecrit-b=
ounces@ietf.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger Marshall<br><b>Sent:</b> Wed=
nesday, 24 October 2012 8:49 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ecrit@ietf.=
org">ecrit@ietf.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Ecrit] IETF85 - ECRIT agenda po=
sted. Comments?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>The ECRIT proposed agenda has been =
uploaded and can be viewed at: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/85/agenda/agenda-85-ecrit.txt">http:/=
/www.ietf.org/proceedings/85/agenda/agenda-85-ecrit.txt</a><o:p></o:p></p><=
p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Please =
send your comments for change before the start of IETF85.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPl=
ainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Roger Marshall &amp; M=
arc Linsner, ECRIT Chairs<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
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A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.

        
        RFC 6739

        Title:      Synchronizing Service Boundaries and <mapping> 
                    Elements Based on the Location-to-Service Translation 
                    (LoST) Protocol 
        Author:     H. Schulzrinne, H. Tschofenig
        Status:     Experimental
        Stream:     IETF
        Date:       October 2012
        Mailbox:    hgs+ecrit@cs.columbia.edu, 
                    Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net
        Pages:      25
        Characters: 52011
        Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-sync-18.txt

        URL:        http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6739.txt

The Location-to-Service Translation (LoST) protocol is an XML-based
protocol for mapping service identifiers and geodetic or civic
location information to service URIs and service boundaries.  In
particular, it can be used to determine the location-appropriate
Public Safety Answering Point (PSAP) for emergency services.

The <mapping> element in the LoST protocol specification encapsulates
information about service boundaries and circumscribes the region
within which all locations map to the same service Uniform Resource
Identifier (URI) or set of URIs for a given service.

This document defines an XML protocol to exchange these mappings
between two nodes.  This mechanism is designed for the exchange of
authoritative <mapping> elements between two entities.  Exchanging
cached <mapping> elements, i.e., non-authoritative elements, is
possible but not envisioned.  Even though the <mapping> element
format is reused from the LoST specification, the mechanism in this
document can be used without the LoST protocol.  This document defines 
an Experimental Protocol for the Internet community.

This document is a product of the Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies Working Group of the IETF.


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The following errata report has been submitted for RFC6739,
"Synchronizing Service Boundaries and <mapping> Elements Based on the Location-to-Service Translation (LoST) Protocol".

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http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=6739&eid=3393

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Type: Editorial
Reported by: Pearl Liang <drafts-update-ref@iana.org>

Section: 10.3

Original Text
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   <p>See <a href="[URL of published RFC]">RFC 6739
          </a>.</p>

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   <p>See <a href="http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6739.txt">RFC 6739
          </a>.</p>

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RFC6739 (draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-sync-18)
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Title               : Synchronizing Service Boundaries and <mapping> Elements Based on the Location-to-Service Translation (LoST) Protocol
Publication Date    : October 2012
Author(s)           : H. Schulzrinne, H. Tschofenig
Category            : EXPERIMENTAL
Source              : Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies
Area                : Real-time Applications and Infrastructure
Stream              : IETF
Verifying Party     : IESG

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Subject: [Ecrit] [IANA #623333] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC6739 (3393)
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Hi Sandy,

Thank you for taking care of this. I believe that there is no action
required on my end.  Please let me know if there is any actions 
required from us.

Cheers,
~pearl

On Thu Oct 25 14:51:12 2012, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org wrote:
> 
> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC6739,
> "Synchronizing Service Boundaries and <mapping> Elements Based on the
> Location-to-Service Translation (LoST) Protocol".
> 
> --------------------------------------
> You may review the report below and at:
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=6739&eid=3393
> 
> --------------------------------------
> Type: Editorial
> Reported by: Pearl Liang <drafts-update-ref@iana.org>
> 
> Section: 10.3
> 
> Original Text
> -------------
>    <p>See <a href="[URL of published RFC]">RFC 6739
> </a>.</p>
> 
> Corrected Text
> --------------
>    <p>See <a href="http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6739.txt">RFC 6739
> </a>.</p>
> 
> Notes
> -----
> RFC Editor should have updated this text before publication.
> 
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> 
> --------------------------------------
> RFC6739 (draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-sync-18)
> --------------------------------------
> Title               : Synchronizing Service Boundaries and <mapping>
> Elements Based on the Location-to-Service Translation (LoST) Protocol
> Publication Date    : October 2012
> Author(s)           : H. Schulzrinne, H. Tschofenig
> Category            : EXPERIMENTAL
> Source              : Emergency Context Resolution with Internet
> Technologies
> Area                : Real-time Applications and Infrastructure
> Stream              : IETF
> Verifying Party     : IESG
> 


