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------=_NextPart_000_218398_01C13277.ED21B1F0-- _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-admin@ietf.org Wed Sep 5 05:10:46 2001 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA21891 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 05:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA00425; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 04:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA00396 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 04:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (217-13-28-204.dd.nextgentel.com [217.13.28.204]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA21776 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 04:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.31] (eikenes.alvestrand.no [217.13.28.203]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B5A5621F7; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:58:40 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 10:57:28 +0200 From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand To: "A.M.Rutkowski" , enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] New I-D on ENUM Neutrality Framework Message-ID: <436180244.999687448@[192.168.1.31]> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010830075528.02aabb98@exchange.netmagic.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010830075528.02aabb98@exchange.netmagic.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.1.0 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --On 30. august 2001 07:59 -0400 "A.M.Rutkowski" wrote: > The Internet-Draft is fairly self explanatory. > A visual aid is also attached. For the last response to a proposal for specifying interworking between a working implementation and a pipe dream, see the IESG statement at http://www.ietf.org/IESG/Announcements/draft-higgs-root-defs.ann My problem with Rutkowski's draft is that the menu choices he lists don't specify a service to the degree that it is independently implementable, which means that interworking with it can't even be started, and yet it wants to "kind of" mandate that interoperability should exist. As a scarred veteran of email interoperability (remember X.400?), I cannot see the value of this draft. Harald > > --tony > > ==================================================================== > Framework for ENUM Neutrality A.M. Rutkowski > Document: VeriSign, Inc > Expires: 1 Mar 2002 29 Aug 2001 > > Framework for ENUM Neutrality > > The list of current Internet-Drafts can be accessed at > http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-abstracts.txt > > The list of Internet-Draft Shadow Directories can be accessed at > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html. > > > Abstract > > The pursuit by major national Administrations of declared > policies of ENUM technical and administrative neutrality among > implementations in the marketplace suggest the need for a > framework for such neutrality and a focus on interworking > among them. [1] [2] This document draws upon the ENUM Working > Group archive of discussions as well as public activities in other > standards forums and the marketplace to construct an ENUM options > framework for facilitating neutrality. This framework includes not > only protocol considerations, but also various critical technical > and administrative support functions such as authentication and > ancillary directory services. > ==================================================================== _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-admin@ietf.org Wed Sep 5 05:28:05 2001 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA22051 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 05:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA01027; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 05:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA00996 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 05:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.itu.int (mail1.itu.ch [156.106.192.17]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA21934 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 05:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from arutkowski-lap.netmagic.com (ARUTKOWSKI-LAP [156.106.209.241]) by mail1.itu.int with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id S22V1AFY; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:14:16 +0200 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010905110548.02122020@mail.netmagic.com> X-Sender: amr@mail.netmagic.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 11:14:04 +0200 To: Harald Tveit Alvestrand , enum@ietf.org From: "A.M.Rutkowski" Subject: Re: [Enum] New I-D on ENUM Neutrality Framework In-Reply-To: <436180244.999687448@[192.168.1.31]> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010830075528.02aabb98@exchange.netmagic.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20010830075528.02aabb98@exchange.netmagic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org Hi Harald, >My problem with Rutkowski's draft is that the menu choices he lists don't >specify a service to the degree that it is independently implementable, >which means that interworking with it can't even be started, and yet it >wants to "kind of" mandate that interoperability should exist. It was intended as a framework for interoperability using multiple IETF and other forum protocols and options within those protocols - largely for implementation purposes. While the X.400 and X.500 experience are appreciated, it was the attempt to define service side (F.400 and F.500) that failed. The same liability is associated with RFC2916. I wasn't aware the mission of the IETF was to assure *service* interoperability in the marketplace. best, tony _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-admin@ietf.org Wed Sep 5 06:16:06 2001 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA22437 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 06:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA02385; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 06:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA02354 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 06:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (217-13-28-204.dd.nextgentel.com [217.13.28.204]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA22366 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 06:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.31] (eikenes.alvestrand.no [217.13.28.203]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D11C61C62; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:05:44 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 11:29:23 +0200 From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand To: "A.M.Rutkowski" , enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] New I-D on ENUM Neutrality Framework Message-ID: <438095197.999689363@localhost> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010905110548.02122020@mail.netmagic.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010830075528.02aabb98@exchange.netmagic.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20010830075528.02aabb98@exchange.netmagic.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20010905110548.02122020@mail.netmagic.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.1.0 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --On 5. september 2001 11:14 +0200 "A.M.Rutkowski" wrote: > It was intended as a framework for interoperability > using multiple IETF and other forum protocols > and options within those protocols - largely for > implementation purposes. While the X.400 and X.500 > experience are appreciated, it was the attempt to > define service side (F.400 and F.500) that failed. > The same liability is associated with RFC2916. Believe me, the protocol level was fun too. See RFC 2156-2161 for some of the "fun stuff". > I wasn't aware the mission of the IETF was to > assure *service* interoperability in the marketplace. so in your opinion, your draft is irrelevant to the IETF? I'll stop commenting on it in this forum, then. you can't have service interoperability without protocol interoperability. and you can't have protocol interoperability without a specified protocol. The mission of the IETF is to make the Internet work. IMHO, of course. _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-admin@ietf.org Wed Sep 5 07:15:21 2001 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA23875 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 07:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA04385; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 07:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA04354 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 07:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.itu.int (mail1.itu.ch [156.106.192.17]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA23602 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 07:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from arutkowski-lap.netmagic.com (ARUTKOWSKI-LAP [156.106.209.241]) by mail1.itu.int with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id S22V1AYB; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:48:05 +0200 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010905124244.02136cd0@mail.netmagic.com> X-Sender: amr@mail.netmagic.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 12:47:53 +0200 To: Harald Tveit Alvestrand , enum@ietf.org From: "A.M.Rutkowski" Subject: Re: [Enum] New I-D on ENUM Neutrality Framework In-Reply-To: <438095197.999689363@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010905110548.02122020@mail.netmagic.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20010830075528.02aabb98@exchange.netmagic.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20010830075528.02aabb98@exchange.netmagic.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20010905110548.02122020@mail.netmagic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org Hi Harald, >The mission of the IETF is to make the Internet work. How to do this is being discussed right now at the ITU-T SG2 meeting in Geneva. There were a number of national Administrations in the meeting a few minutes ago who articulated their own views. :-) Maybe we'll get F.400 and F.500 back! cheers, tony (from Geneva) _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-admin@ietf.org Wed Sep 5 12:08:28 2001 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA09371 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA14652; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA14619 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from joy.songbird.com (IDENT:root@songbird.com [208.184.79.7]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA08873 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bbprime.dcrocker.net (c1193160-a.snvl1.sfba.home.com [65.0.152.112]) by joy.songbird.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00736; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:57:03 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010905084535.03543d98@dcrocker.net> X-Sender: dhc@brandenburg.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 08:55:46 -0700 To: "A.M.Rutkowski" From: Dave Crocker Subject: Re: [Enum] New I-D on ENUM Neutrality Framework Cc: enum@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010905110548.02122020@mail.netmagic.com> References: <436180244.999687448@[192.168.1.31]> <5.1.0.14.2.20010830075528.02aabb98@exchange.netmagic.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20010830075528.02aabb98@exchange.netmagic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org At 02:14 AM 9/5/2001, A.M.Rutkowski wrote: >Hi Harald, > >>My problem with Rutkowski's draft is that the menu choices he lists don't >>specify a service to the degree that it is independently implementable, > >It was intended as a framework for interoperability >using multiple IETF and other forum protocols That means that it is an attempt to provide a layer of coherence, on top of a set of otherwise independent activities. Hence, it is an attempt to make them cease to be independent. So, Tony, you cannot have it both ways. If you are going to push for multiple, independent efforts, then it makes no sense to push for coherence. In any event, such efforts usually fail, unless there is a very, very strong community desire for that coherence. A single person publishing a "framework" paper is essentially useless to the task. And all of the desire, demonstrated so far, is either for coherence within the ENUM working group effort's "framework" -- that is, under e164.arpa -- or for non-coherence. Hence all of the evidence is that your paper fills a much needed gap... It tries to consider a solution that no one is interested in. Feel free to demonstrate community support. For the moment, that task is beyond the scope of this working group. >While the X.400 and X.500 >experience are appreciated, it was the attempt to >define service side (F.400 and F.500) that failed. No, Tony, the problem was the technical work. The protocols and formats were far too complex, and the addressing model was fundamentally flawed. The service side failed because too much was demanded of it by the technical work, not because the service side work was done badly. >I wasn't aware the mission of the IETF was to >assure *service* interoperability in the marketplace. Oh? Then why is the requirement for demonstrated interoperability present for advancing to Draft standard? (Rather than having to pursue Introduction to IETF Principles 101, in this forum, it is suggested that folks needing to learn such things carefully read existing IETF documentation.) d/ ---------- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking tel +1.408.246.8253; fax +1.408.273.6464 _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-admin@ietf.org Wed Sep 5 20:55:57 2001 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA25803 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 20:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA28627; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 20:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA28596 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 20:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.nic.or.kr (mail.nic.or.kr [202.30.50.115]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA25729 for ; 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Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA29567; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA29536 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.dynamicsoft.com ([63.113.40.10]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA26065 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DYN-EXCH-001.dynamicsoft.com (dyn-exch-001 [63.113.44.7]) by mail1.dynamicsoft.com (8.12.0.Beta7/8.12.0.Beta7) with ESMTP id f861OrCj015385; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DYN-EXCH-001.dynamicsoft.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:25:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: Jonathan Rosenberg To: "'Shin, Sung-Woo'" , enum@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Enum] naming ENUM Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:25:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="KS_C_5601-1987" Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org Its definitely Telephone Number Mapping. I know this since I was involved in the discussions around the name. Many years back, Scott Petrack, myself and Vern Paxson were figuring out what it would be called. I think Scott liked ENEMA, but that had obvious issues.... TENUM was also suggested, for telephone number mapping. I suggested a variant, ENUM, to go with a trend of naming working groups after C functions (malloc being one of the others). And so ENUM it was. It still stands for tElephone NUmber Mapping, but the acronym is ENUM. -Jonathan R. --- Jonathan D. Rosenberg, Ph.D. 72 Eagle Rock Ave. Chief Scientist First Floor dynamicsoft East Hanover, NJ 07936 jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: (973) 952-5050 http://www.jdrosen.net PHONE: (973) 952-5000 http://www.dynamicsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Shin, Sung-Woo [mailto:ssw@nic.or.kr] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 8:48 PM To: enum@ietf.org Subject: [Enum] naming ENUM I'm confused with naming ENUM NetNumber insists that ENUM stands for Electronic Numbering. So far my understanding of ENUM is Telephone Number Mapping. That is the IETF's opinion. Which is the exact meaning of Acronym? ------------------------------------------------- Sung-Woo SHIN, Assistant Manager Policy and Statistics Research Division Korea Network Information Center Tel : + 82 2 2186 4546 Fax : + 82 2 2186 4494 Mob : +82 17 719 9757 ssw@nic.or.kr ------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-admin@ietf.org Wed Sep 5 22:26:04 2001 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA27698 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA00987; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA00961 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from joy.songbird.com (IDENT:root@songbird.com [208.184.79.7]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA27541 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bbprime.dcrocker.net (c1193160-a.snvl1.sfba.home.com [65.0.152.112]) by joy.songbird.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21343; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:16:10 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010905190313.01f66ec0@dcrocker.net> X-Sender: dhc@brandenburg.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 19:04:31 -0700 To: Jonathan Rosenberg From: Dave Crocker Subject: RE: [Enum] naming ENUM Cc: "'Shin, Sung-Woo'" , enum@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org At 06:25 PM 9/5/2001, Jonathan Rosenberg wrote: >It still stands for tElephone NUmber Mapping, but the acronym is ENUM. just to offer folks a way to make it comfortable: ephone numbering. d/ ---------- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking tel +1.408.246.8253; fax +1.408.273.6464 _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-admin@ietf.org Wed Sep 5 22:30:15 2001 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA27812 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA01121; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA01090 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com [207.46.181.79]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA27641 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer ([65.138.118.246]) by cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:21:47 -0700 Message-ID: <001f01c1367a$3a715360$f6768a41@oemcomputer> From: "syedmukhtar" To: "Shin, Sung-Woo" , References: <00be01c1366d$839b1b00$c9d0ffcb@nic.or.kr> Subject: Re: [Enum] naming ENUM Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:18:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C1363F.8C706420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2001 02:21:48.0256 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE609600:01C1367A] Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C1363F.8C706420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Visit the link below for the detail history of enum. http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/working-groups/enum/current/msg01088.ht= ml Syed T. Mukhtar ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Shin, Sung-Woo=20 To: enum@ietf.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 5:47 PM Subject: [Enum] naming ENUM I'm confused with naming ENUM NetNumber insists that ENUM stands for Electronic Numbering. So far my understanding of ENUM is Telephone Number Mapping. That is the IETF's opinion. Which is the exact meaning of Acronym? ------------------------------------------------- Sung-Woo SHIN, Assistant Manager Policy and Statistics Research Division Korea Network Information Center Tel : + 82 2 2186 4546 Fax : + 82 2 2186 4494 Mob : +82 17 719 9757 ssw@nic.or.kr ------------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C1363F.8C706420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Visit the link below for the detail history of=20 enum.
 
http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/working-groups/enum/current= /msg01088.html
 
Syed T. Mukhtar
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Shin, = Sung-Woo
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, = 2001 5:47=20 PM
Subject: [Enum] naming = ENUM

I'm confused with naming ENUM
NetNumber insists that ENUM stands for Electronic = Numbering.
So far my understanding of ENUM is Telephone Number = Mapping.
That is the IETF's opinion.
 
Which is the exact meaning of Acronym?
 
 
 
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Sung-Woo = SHIN,=20 Assistant Manager
Policy and Statistics Research Division
Korea = Network=20 Information Center
Tel : + 82 2 2186 4546
Fax : + 82 2 2186 = 4494
Mob=20 : +82 17 719 9757
ssw@nic.or.kr
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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C1363F.8C706420-- _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-admin@ietf.org Thu Sep 6 14:38:45 2001 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA05495 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA00760; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA00721 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pine.il.neustar.com (pine.neustar.com [209.173.57.70]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA05256 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chi02.npac.com (dmz1.il.neustar.com [209.173.57.65]) by pine.il.neustar.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f86IUCK23579 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 13:30:12 -0500 Received: by chi02.chicago.npac.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 13:26:17 -0500 Message-ID: <70565611B164D511957A001083FCDD56478ACC@va02.va.neustar.com> From: "Peterson, Jon" To: enum@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Enum] naming ENUM Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 13:29:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C13701.D5EDC8F0" Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13701.D5EDC8F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="KS_C_5601-1987" Obviously it should stand for "E.164 Number Mapping"; that would clear up so many misconceptions. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess. Jon Peterson NeuStar, Inc -----Original Message----- From: syedmukhtar [mailto:syedmukhtar@msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 7:19 PM To: Shin, Sung-Woo; enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] naming ENUM Visit the link below for the detail history of enum. http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/working-groups/enum/current/msg01088.html Syed T. Mukhtar ----- Original Message ----- From: Shin, Sung-Woo To: enum@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 5:47 PM Subject: [Enum] naming ENUM I'm confused with naming ENUM NetNumber insists that ENUM stands for Electronic Numbering. So far my understanding of ENUM is Telephone Number Mapping. That is the IETF's opinion. Which is the exact meaning of Acronym? ------------------------------------------------- Sung-Woo SHIN, Assistant Manager Policy and Statistics Research Division Korea Network Information Center Tel : + 82 2 2186 4546 Fax : + 82 2 2186 4494 Mob : +82 17 719 9757 ssw@nic.or.kr ------------------------------------------------- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13701.D5EDC8F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="KS_C_5601-1987" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Obviously it should stand for "E.164 Number = Mapping";=20 that would clear up so many misconceptions. Hindsight is 20/20 I=20 guess.
 
Jon=20 Peterson
NeuStar, Inc
-----Original Message-----
From: syedmukhtar=20 [mailto:syedmukhtar@msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, = 2001=20 7:19 PM
To: Shin, Sung-Woo; = enum@ietf.org
Subject: Re:=20 [Enum] naming ENUM

Visit the link below for the detail history of=20 enum.
 
http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/working-groups/enum/curre= nt/msg01088.html
 
Syed T. Mukhtar
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Shin, = Sung-Woo
Sent: Wednesday, September = 05, 2001=20 5:47 PM
Subject: [Enum] naming = ENUM

I'm confused with naming ENUM
NetNumber insists that ENUM stands for Electronic = Numbering.
So far my understanding of ENUM is Telephone Number = Mapping.
That is the IETF's opinion.
 
Which is the exact meaning of Acronym?
 
 
 
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Sung-Woo = SHIN,=20 Assistant Manager
Policy and Statistics Research = Division
Korea=20 Network Information Center
Tel : + 82 2 2186 4546
Fax : + 82 = 2 2186=20 4494
Mob : +82 17 719 9757
ssw@nic.or.kr
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C13701.D5EDC8F0-- _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-admin@ietf.org Thu Sep 6 14:56:38 2001 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA06119 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA01482; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA01455 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from joy.songbird.com (IDENT:root@songbird.com [208.184.79.7]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA05829 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bbprime.dcrocker.net (c1193160-a.snvl1.sfba.home.com [65.0.152.112]) by joy.songbird.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19014; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 11:49:14 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010906114655.031dbe60@dcrocker.net> X-Sender: dhc@brandenburg.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 11:47:06 -0700 To: "Peterson, Jon" From: Dave Crocker Subject: RE: [Enum] naming ENUM Cc: enum@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <70565611B164D511957A001083FCDD56478ACC@va02.va.neustar.com > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org At 11:29 AM 9/6/2001, Peterson, Jon wrote:
Obviously it should stand for "E.164 Number Mapping"; that would clear up so many misconceptions. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess.

hmm. that's quite clever.

d/

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Dave Crocker  <mailto:dcrocker@brandenburg.com>
Brandenburg InternetWorking  <http://www.brandenburg.com>
tel +1.408.246.8253;  fax +1.408.273.6464 _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-admin@ietf.org Fri Sep 7 05:30:55 2001 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA04892 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 05:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA02940; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 05:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA02909 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 05:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cisco.com (nordic.cisco.com [64.103.48.45]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA04768 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 05:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.19] (ssh-ams1.cisco.com [144.254.74.55]) by cisco.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11315; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 11:21:50 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 10:38:02 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= To: Dave Crocker , "Peterson, Jon" cc: enum@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Enum] naming ENUM Message-ID: <2537305.999859082@localhost> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010906114655.031dbe60@dcrocker.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010906114655.031dbe60@dcrocker.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.1.0 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --On 2001-09-06 11.47 -0700 Dave Crocker wrote: > At 11:29 AM 9/6/2001, Peterson, Jon wrote: > > Obviously it should stand for "E.164 Number Mapping"; that would clear up > so many misconceptions. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess. > > hmm. that's quite clever. As always in IETF environments, the acronym was invented first, and afterwards various people have tried to understand what it stands for. As I am the author of RFC 2916 I should know what it stands for, but I don't. :-) And I have no interest in telling a definite answer. It's so fun seeing confused people... But, I must admit I like the suggestion above. paf _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-admin@ietf.org Fri Sep 7 20:23:39 2001 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA02239 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 20:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA03636; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 20:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA03611 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 20:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.nic.or.kr (mail.nic.or.kr [202.30.50.115]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA02002 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 20:13:19 -0400 (EDT) From: ssw@webmail.nic.or.kr Received: from webmail.nic.or.kr (webmail.nic.or.kr [202.30.50.110]) by mail.nic.or.kr (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f880Dfi18901; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 09:13:51 +0900 (KST) Message-Id: <20010908.AAA999907889@nic.or.kr> To: jon.peterson@NeuStar.com Cc: enum@ietf.org Reply-To: ssw@nic.or.kr Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 09:11:29 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: MailStudio 2000 Plus-3.0.0909.1.350 (SunOS 5.7) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_03HAFCP4L55QXTUKPG1XI9M6" Subject: [Enum] =?euc-kr?B?UmU6IGVudW0gZGlnZXN0LCBWb2wgMSAjMjY3IC0gMyBtc2dz?= Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_03HAFCP4L55QXTUKPG1XI9M6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_W7PSFV20DVZ0YKFWWP9J88HZ" ------=_NextPart_W7PSFV20DVZ0YKFWWP9J88HZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="euc-kr" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 RGVhciBKb2huDQoNCiJFLjE2NCBOdW1iZXIgTWFwcGluZyIgaXMgYSBnb29kIGlkZWEhDQpXaWxs 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http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-admin@ietf.org Wed Sep 12 11:55:42 2001 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA25840 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA00258; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:40:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA00225 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ren-7.cais.net (ren-7.cais.net [205.252.14.82]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA25139 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rds.ix.netcom.com ([63.220.160.37]) by ren-7.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f8CFdOf39018; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010912111216.0316e4c0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rshockey/popd.ix.netcom.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:15:30 -0400 To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" , "'Yu, James'" From: Richard Shockey Cc: "'ietf-provreg@cafax.se'" , enum@ietf.org, Patrik =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E4ltstr=F6m?= In-Reply-To: <3CD14E451751BD42BA48AAA50B07BAD6C5FA20@vsvapostal3.prod.ne tsol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [Enum] RE: EPP E.164 Number Mapping Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org At 05:10 PM 9/11/2001 -0400, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: >Thanks for the comments, James, I'll work fixes into the next iteration. I >doubt we should continue to talk about this draft on the provreg list, >though, since it's an individual submission and not a provreg work item. If >either of the chairs disagree with me, I'm sure they'll speak up. I agree but you are more than welcome to discuss this on the ENUM list when ever you like. I doubt we would consider this a work item _at this time_ but this is exactly the kind of thoughtful technical document appropriate to discuss among the ENUM engineering community. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Yu, James [mailto:james.yu@NeuStar.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:33 PM > > To: 'Hollenbeck, Scott' > > Cc: 'ietf-provreg@cafax.se' > > Subject: EPP E.164 Number Mapping > > > > > > Scott, > > > > Two comments on the I-D: > > > > - Sections 3.1.1 and 3.1.2, first dashed item: > > is mentioned; however, is used in the example. > > > > - Section 2.2.6 Replacement: > > Replacement field should be added. There are cases when > > the "flags" field > > is empty, the Fully Qualified Domain Name in the replacement > > field is used > > to retrieve the NAPTR RRs next. > > > > James > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Shockey, Senior Manager, Strategic Technology Initiatives NeuStar Inc. 45980 Center Oak Plaza Bldg 8 Sterling, VA 20166 1120 Vermont Ave NW Suite 400 Washington DC 20005 Voice 571.434.5651 Cell : 314.503.0640, Fax: 815.333.1237 or <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-admin@ietf.org Thu Sep 13 13:20:22 2001 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA10030 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA18067; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA18018 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.neustar.com (oak.neustar.com [209.173.53.70]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA09161 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chiimc01.il.neustar.com (dmz1.va.neustar.com [209.173.53.65]) by oak.neustar.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f8DGxYQ00871; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:59:34 -0400 Received: by chiimc01.il.neustar.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:58:13 -0500 Message-ID: <23309E398D84D5119D0F00306E0751391701AB@dc02.npac.com> From: "Yu, James" To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" Cc: "'enum@ietf.org'" Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:58:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by optimus.ietf.org id NAA18024 Subject: [Enum] RE: EPP E.164 Number Mapping Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Scott, The "minLength value" of "flagsType" needs to be changed to "0" also. James > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Shockey [mailto:rshockey@ix.netcom.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:16 AM > To: Hollenbeck, Scott; 'Yu, James' > Cc: 'ietf-provreg@cafax.se'; enum@ietf.org; Patrik Fältström > Subject: RE: EPP E.164 Number Mapping > > > At 05:10 PM 9/11/2001 -0400, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: > >Thanks for the comments, James, I'll work fixes into the > next iteration. I > >doubt we should continue to talk about this draft on the > provreg list, > >though, since it's an individual submission and not a > provreg work item. If > >either of the chairs disagree with me, I'm sure they'll speak up. > > I agree but you are more than welcome to discuss this on the > ENUM list when > ever you like. I doubt we would consider this a work item > _at this time_ > but this is exactly the kind of thoughtful technical document > appropriate > to discuss among the ENUM engineering community. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Yu, James [mailto:james.yu@NeuStar.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:33 PM > > > To: 'Hollenbeck, Scott' > > > Cc: 'ietf-provreg@cafax.se' > > > Subject: EPP E.164 Number Mapping > > > > > > > > > Scott, > > > > > > Two comments on the I-D: > > > > > > - Sections 3.1.1 and 3.1.2, first dashed item: > > > is mentioned; however, is used in > the example. > > > > > > - Section 2.2.6 Replacement: > > > Replacement field should be added. There are cases when > > > the "flags" field > > > is empty, the Fully Qualified Domain Name in the replacement > > > field is used > > > to retrieve the NAPTR RRs next. > > > > > > James > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Richard Shockey, Senior Manager, Strategic Technology Initiatives > NeuStar Inc. > 45980 Center Oak Plaza Bldg 8 Sterling, VA 20166 > 1120 Vermont Ave NW Suite 400 Washington DC 20005 > Voice 571.434.5651 Cell : 314.503.0640, Fax: 815.333.1237 > or > > > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-admin@ietf.org Thu Sep 13 14:11:15 2001 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA11900 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA20773; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA20742 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heron.verisign.com (heron.verisign.com [216.168.233.95]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA11567 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VSVAPOSTALGW1.prod.netsol.com (vsvapostalgw1.prod.netsol.com [216.168.234.201]) by heron.verisign.com (nsi_0.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA25368; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by VSVAPOSTALGW1.prod.netsol.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:01:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD14E451751BD42BA48AAA50B07BAD6C5FA31@vsvapostal3.prod.netsol.com> From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: "'Yu, James'" Cc: "'enum@ietf.org'" Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:54:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by optimus.ietf.org id OAA20743 Subject: [Enum] RE: EPP E.164 Number Mapping Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hmm, I see examples in 2915 that use null flags, but the description of the flags field in section 2 ("Flags are single characters from the set [A-Z0-9]") doesn't say anything about the possibility of the field being null. If anyone is thinking about updating 2915, I'd suggest noting this possibility explicitly. I'll take care of this in the next revision as well. >-----Original Message----- >From: Yu, James [mailto:james.yu@NeuStar.com] >Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:58 PM >To: Hollenbeck, Scott >Cc: 'enum@ietf.org' >Subject: RE: EPP E.164 Number Mapping > > >Scott, > >The "minLength value" of "flagsType" needs to be changed to "0" also. > >James > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Richard Shockey [mailto:rshockey@ix.netcom.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:16 AM >> To: Hollenbeck, Scott; 'Yu, James' >> Cc: 'ietf-provreg@cafax.se'; enum@ietf.org; Patrik Fältström >> Subject: RE: EPP E.164 Number Mapping >> >> >> At 05:10 PM 9/11/2001 -0400, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: >> >Thanks for the comments, James, I'll work fixes into the >> next iteration. I >> >doubt we should continue to talk about this draft on the >> provreg list, >> >though, since it's an individual submission and not a >> provreg work item. If >> >either of the chairs disagree with me, I'm sure they'll speak up. >> >> I agree but you are more than welcome to discuss this on the >> ENUM list when >> ever you like. I doubt we would consider this a work item >> _at this time_ >> but this is exactly the kind of thoughtful technical document >> appropriate >> to discuss among the ENUM engineering community. >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Yu, James [mailto:james.yu@NeuStar.com] >> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:33 PM >> > > To: 'Hollenbeck, Scott' >> > > Cc: 'ietf-provreg@cafax.se' >> > > Subject: EPP E.164 Number Mapping >> > > >> > > >> > > Scott, >> > > >> > > Two comments on the I-D: >> > > >> > > - Sections 3.1.1 and 3.1.2, first dashed item: >> > > is mentioned; however, is used in >> the example. >> > > >> > > - Section 2.2.6 Replacement: >> > > Replacement field should be added. There are cases when >> > > the "flags" field >> > > is empty, the Fully Qualified Domain Name in the replacement >> > > field is used >> > > to retrieve the NAPTR RRs next. >> > > >> > > James >> > > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Richard Shockey, Senior Manager, Strategic Technology Initiatives >> NeuStar Inc. >> 45980 Center Oak Plaza Bldg 8 Sterling, VA 20166 >> 1120 Vermont Ave NW Suite 400 Washington DC 20005 >> Voice 571.434.5651 Cell : 314.503.0640, Fax: 815.333.1237 >> or >> >> >> >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >> > _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-admin@ietf.org Thu Sep 13 16:01:17 2001 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA14608 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA24053; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA24020 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bailey.dscga.com (bailey.dscga.com [198.78.9.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA14328 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from michael@localhost) by bailey.dscga.com (8.9.1/) id PAA00252; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:45:49 -0400 From: Michael Mealling To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" Cc: "'Yu, James'" , "'enum@ietf.org'" Subject: Re: [Enum] RE: EPP E.164 Number Mapping Message-ID: <20010913154549.F21144@bailey.dscga.com> Reply-To: Michael Mealling References: <3CD14E451751BD42BA48AAA50B07BAD6C5FA31@vsvapostal3.prod.netsol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.2i In-Reply-To: <3CD14E451751BD42BA48AAA50B07BAD6C5FA31@vsvapostal3.prod.netsol.com>; from shollenbeck@verisign.com on Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 01:54:28PM -0400 Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 01:54:28PM -0400, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: > Hmm, I see examples in 2915 that use null flags, but the description of the > flags field in section 2 ("Flags are single characters from the set > [A-Z0-9]") doesn't say anything about the possibility of the field being > null. If anyone is thinking about updating 2915, I'd suggest noting this > possibility explicitly. So noted... I know its not an RFC yet but draft-ietf-urn-dns-ddds-database-06.txt will obsolete RFC 2915. It has gone through Last Call and is currently sitting on the IESG's table (waiting on some minor edits from me). James has been sending me some very detailed edits (thanks James!). Please begin looking at that document as the definitive NAPTR documents. If you find _any_ bugs in them, NOW is the time to let me know... -MM -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Mealling | Vote Libertarian! | urn:pin:1 michael@neonym.net | | http://www.neonym.net _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From enum-admin@ietf.org Tue Sep 25 15:24:10 2001 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA12672 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA20192; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA20159 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hvmta02-stg.us.psimail.psi.net (hvmta02-ext.us.psimail.psi.net [38.202.36.30]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA12245 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adaly ([206.47.172.146]) by hvmta02-stg.us.psimail.psi.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with SMTP id <20010925190759.WPUT8930.hvmta02-stg.us.psimail.psi.net@adaly> for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:07:59 -0400 Message-ID: <07c401c145f5$611d51a0$aa01010a@northland.local> From: "Alan Daly" To: Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:07:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_07C1_01C145D3.D9D95700" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [Enum] 2 DAY GIGABIT ETHERNET COURSE SCHEDULED FOR TORONTO, CANADA ON NOVEMBER 12TH AND 13TH Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Enum Discussion List X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_07C1_01C145D3.D9D95700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Good afternoon Networking Colleagues.=20 Northland Systems, the world leader in = non-vendor specific Fiber Optic, Gigabit Ethernet, MPLS and IP training, = is pleased to announce that our much anticipated, brand new, 2 day = Gigabit Ethernet course is scheduled to run in Toronto, Canada on = November 12th and 13th. 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Good afternoon Networking = Colleagues.=20
 
          &nbs= p;            = ;     =20 Northland Systems, the world leader in non-vendor specific Fiber Optic, = Gigabit=20 Ethernet, MPLS and IP training,  is pleased to announce that our = much=20 anticipated, brand new, 2 day  Gigabit Ethernet course is scheduled = to run=20 in Toronto, Canada on November 12th and 13th.  I was wondering = if you,=20 your colleagues, or your clients would be interested in attending.=20
 
          &nbs= p;            = ;     =20 The cost to attend this course is $1100.00 CDN per student (plus = applicable=20 taxes) with a 10% discount being applied if you sign up more = than one=20 student with me at a time.  This is  a brand new = course that=20 explores this cutting-edge networking technology.  The class is = limited to=20 20 students, and we are expecting this session to sell out extremely = quickly, so=20 time is of the essence if you plan on registering either yourself and/or = your=20 colleagues on this
course.
 
          &nbs= p;            = ;     =20 This course examines all types of current Ethernet technology, provides = detailed=20 coverage of Gigabit Ethernet, discusses cabling and topology issues, and = describes the implementation and uses of VLANs and Class of Service. = Case=20 studies will be used to give the student experience solving real-world = design=20 issues. Lectures and case studies are used to explain Ethernet and how = to design=20 an Ethernet network.
 
Objectives:=20
=B7          Understand = the=20 advantages of Gigabit Ethernet.=20
=B7          Review the = different=20 Ethernet standards. =
=B7         =20 Discuss Gigabit Ethernet standards.=20
=B7          Understand = possible=20 problems with autonegotiation.=20
=B7          Review = cabling=20 types.
=B7          = Explore=20 design issues through case studies.=20
=B7          Understand = how to=20 organize and prioritize traffic.
 
        All=20 attending students must have a background in networking technologies. = Ethernet=20 experience is helpful, but not necessary. This course is geared toward = anyone=20 involved in the design, implementation, or maintenance of Ethernet = networks.=20
 
Please review the detailed course = outline below for=20 more information on the content being covered:
 
COURSE OUTLINE:=20
***********************
 
ETHERNET OVERVIEW =
 
=B7          = Background and=20 history
=B7          = Ethernet=20 frames
=B7          LLC = and MAC=20 functions
=B7          = Bus and=20 star topologies
 
IEEE STANDARD PHY = EVOLUTION=20
 
=B7          PHY = stack model=20
=B7          CSMA/CD=20
=B7          Segment = length=20 limitations =
=B7          Half and=20 full duplex transmission
 
CURRENT ETHERNET = STANDARDS=20
 
=B7          = 10BASE-T=20
=B7          100BASE-T=20
=B7          Data = encoding=20 techniques
=B7          = 802.3z=20 Gigabit Ethernet overview
 
GIGABIT ETHERNET =
 
=B7          IEEE = 802.3z=20 protocol model and architecture=20
=B7          Gigabit = Ethernet=20 layers
=B7          = Encoding=20
=B7          = Maintaining=20 compatibility =
=B7          Frame=20 bursting
=B7          = Flow=20 Control
=B7          = IEEE 802.3ab=20 (1000BASE-T) =
=B7         =20 Encoding and error correction=20
=B7          = Auto-sensing and=20 autonegotiation
 
 
CABLE PLANT =
 
=B7          = Overview=20
=B7          Copper = performance=20 issues
=B7          UTP = cabling=20 standards
=B7          = Fiber=20 performance issues =
=B7         =20 Multimode and single mode fiber=20
=B7          Fiber = connector=20 types
=B7          = Structured=20 cabling
=B7          = Certifying=20 and testing cabling
 
NETWORK TOPOLOGY=20
=B7          = Network=20 planning
=B7          = Ethernet=20 switch capabilities and architectures=20
=B7          Star, ring = and mesh=20 topologies
 
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=B7      &nbs= p;  =20 Application of VLANs =
=B7         =20 Port-based VLANs =
=B7         =20 802.1Q (VLAN tagging)
 
PRIORITIZATION =
 
=B7          = Requirements for=20 prioritization =
=B7         =20 Priority mechanisms (QoS, CoS and TOS)=20
=B7          IEEE = 802.1p=20
 
ETHERNET AND IP =

=B7      &nbs= p;  =20 Need for layer 3, IP =
=B7         =20 Interaction between Ethernet and IP - address resolution, broadcasts, = etc.IEEE=20 802.1p
=B7          = Layer 2=20 switching versus layer 3 switching
 
FUTURE DIRECTIONS =

=B7      &nbs= p;  =20 10Gig Ethernet =
=B7         =20 Ethernet in the met
 
To find out more about this course, to = discuss=20 in-house training solutions for a group at your facility, or to = register, please=20 call me directly at 613-667-5063.
 
Have a great day!
 
Regards,
 
 
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