From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 03 13:38:50 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FFFAw-00052P-B4; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 13:38:50 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FFFAv-00050V-5l for fecframe@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 13:38:49 -0500 Received: from lennon.multicasttech.com ([63.105.122.7] helo=multicasttech.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FFFAu-0008LB-05 for fecframe@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 13:38:49 -0500 Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP id 4068776 for fecframe@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 13:37:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: fecframe@ietf.org From: Marshall Eubanks Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:38:55 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Subject: [Fecframe] Fecframe / Dallas X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Hello; Are there any plans to have any meetings of this effort, formal or informal, in Dallas ? Maybe a bar bof would be in order. Regards Marshall Eubanks IPMulticast Mailing List : http://www.multicasttech.com/faq/mail_list.html _______________________________________________ Fecframe mailing list Fecframe@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 03 14:05:57 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FFFbB-0004wE-1f; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:05:57 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FFFb9-0004v0-JE for fecframe@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:05:55 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FFFb8-0000u5-Bw for fecframe@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:05:55 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=psg.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1FFFb5-0003Su-D4; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 19:05:51 +0000 To: Marshall Eubanks Subject: Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe / Dallas Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 11:05:51 -0800 From: Allison Mankin X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 Cc: fecframe@ietf.org X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Message-Id: Marshall, I owe an explanation of this. I lacked a commitment from chair candidates when it came time to propose the BOF as a WG. The list got very quiet during the between-IETF period when I tried to do some work on the Mark's IPR fix and our chair volunteers of the time were awfully quiet too. I didn't push quite enough on this, and the question I had was what this quiet meant. At least, not quite launch energy from the floor... However, I've talked with Magnus about next steps: would people like to contact him/me volunteering to chair? Are people ready to work? There does not have to be another BOF, though an informal bar BOF is fine (the note-well will apply). We do need people to plan on working. Allison _______________________________________________ Fecframe mailing list Fecframe@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 03 14:18:39 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FFFnT-0000o0-MB; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:18:39 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FFFnS-0000mz-96 for fecframe@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:18:38 -0500 Received: from lennon.multicasttech.com ([63.105.122.7] helo=multicasttech.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FFFnS-0001ca-3P for fecframe@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:18:38 -0500 Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP id 4069480; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:17:31 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1691A9F4-37CA-4D8E-8667-24E1BD484D92@multicasttech.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Marshall Eubanks Subject: Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe / Dallas Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:18:47 -0500 To: Allison Mankin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 Cc: fecframe@ietf.org X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Dear Allison; I would suggest an informal open get-together Monday night of the IETF week, for dinner or after, to discuss this and see is there a critical mass to proceed. Marshall On Mar 3, 2006, at 2:05 PM, Allison Mankin wrote: > Marshall, > > I owe an explanation of this. > > I lacked a commitment from chair candidates when it came time > to propose the BOF as a WG. The list got very quiet during the > between-IETF > period when I tried to do some work on the Mark's IPR fix > and our chair volunteers of the time were awfully quiet too. > > I didn't push quite enough on this, and the question I had was > what this quiet meant. At least, not quite launch energy from > the floor... > > However, I've talked with Magnus about next steps: would people like > to contact him/me volunteering to chair? Are people ready to work? > There does not have to be another BOF, though an informal bar BOF is > fine (the note-well will apply). We do need people to plan on > working. > > Allison > _______________________________________________ Fecframe mailing list Fecframe@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 03 14:41:05 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FFG9B-00082m-7x; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:41:05 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FFG99-0007ym-NT for fecframe@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:41:03 -0500 Received: from mout.perfora.net ([217.160.230.40]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FFG98-0002TX-FB for fecframe@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:41:03 -0500 Received: from [172.23.129.4] (helo=NTXBEUS01.exchange.xchg) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1FFG8y0noY-000211; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:40:55 -0500 Received: from NTXBEUS02.exchange.xchg ([172.23.129.5]) by NTXBEUS01.exchange.xchg with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:40:50 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Fecframe] Fecframe / Dallas Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:40:08 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Fecframe] Fecframe / Dallas Thread-Index: AcY+92FkmHpCKXUJTuyGkaLrMlKqygAArHIg From: "Mark Watson" To: "Marshall Eubanks" , "Allison Mankin" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2006 19:40:50.0083 (UTC) FILETIME=[600CB730:01C63EFA] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b431ad66d60be2d47c7bfeb879db82c Cc: fecframe@ietf.org X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Allison, Marshall, This seems like a good idea. For my part I am ready to commit time to getting the work done. Is there a need/mechanism for advertising this "Bar BOF" more widely ? Regards, Mark -----Original Message----- From: Marshall Eubanks [mailto:tme@multicasttech.com]=20 Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:19 AM To: Allison Mankin Cc: fecframe@ietf.org; Mark Watson; magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com Subject: Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe / Dallas=20 Dear Allison; I would suggest an informal open get-together Monday night of the =20 IETF week, for dinner or after, to discuss this and see is there a critical mass to proceed. Marshall On Mar 3, 2006, at 2:05 PM, Allison Mankin wrote: > Marshall, > > I owe an explanation of this. > > I lacked a commitment from chair candidates when it came time > to propose the BOF as a WG. The list got very quiet during the =20 > between-IETF > period when I tried to do some work on the Mark's IPR fix > and our chair volunteers of the time were awfully quiet too. > > I didn't push quite enough on this, and the question I had was > what this quiet meant. At least, not quite launch energy from > the floor... > > However, I've talked with Magnus about next steps: would people like > to contact him/me volunteering to chair? Are people ready to work? > There does not have to be another BOF, though an informal bar BOF is > fine (the note-well will apply). We do need people to plan on > working. > > Allison > _______________________________________________ Fecframe mailing list Fecframe@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 03 14:50:21 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FFGI9-00025V-L9; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:50:21 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FFGI8-00025Q-NA for fecframe@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:50:20 -0500 Received: from lennon.multicasttech.com ([63.105.122.7] helo=multicasttech.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FFGI7-0002ai-FB for fecframe@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:50:20 -0500 Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP id 4069982; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:48:25 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Marshall Eubanks Subject: Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe / Dallas Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:49:40 -0500 To: "Mark Watson" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f60d0f7806b0c40781eee6b9cd0b2135 Cc: fecframe@ietf.org X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Well, I cannot speak for Allison, but what I would suggest is - settle on a time (this is the only evening I have free, BTW) - settle on a Rendezvous Point (hotel foyer generally works well); we could taxi to a good meeting point or stay in the hotel - send emails to RMT and the IETF list, and I would suggest arch-d (architecture-discuss@ietf.org) as well. If course, this list will be in the loop too. Regards Marshall On Mar 3, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > Allison, Marshall, > > This seems like a good idea. For my part I am ready to commit time to > getting the work done. > > Is there a need/mechanism for advertising this "Bar BOF" more widely ? > > Regards, > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marshall Eubanks [mailto:tme@multicasttech.com] > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:19 AM > To: Allison Mankin > Cc: fecframe@ietf.org; Mark Watson; magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com > Subject: Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe / Dallas > > Dear Allison; > > I would suggest an informal open get-together Monday night of the > IETF week, for dinner or after, to discuss this > and see is there a critical mass to proceed. > > Marshall > > On Mar 3, 2006, at 2:05 PM, Allison Mankin wrote: > >> Marshall, >> >> I owe an explanation of this. >> >> I lacked a commitment from chair candidates when it came time >> to propose the BOF as a WG. The list got very quiet during the >> between-IETF >> period when I tried to do some work on the Mark's IPR fix >> and our chair volunteers of the time were awfully quiet too. >> >> I didn't push quite enough on this, and the question I had was >> what this quiet meant. At least, not quite launch energy from >> the floor... >> >> However, I've talked with Magnus about next steps: would people like >> to contact him/me volunteering to chair? Are people ready to work? >> There does not have to be another BOF, though an informal bar BOF is >> fine (the note-well will apply). We do need people to plan on >> working. >> >> Allison >> > _______________________________________________ Fecframe mailing list Fecframe@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 07 14:41:11 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGi3T-0000Bi-D7; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 14:41:11 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGi3S-0000Bd-JD for fecframe@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 14:41:10 -0500 Received: from lennon.multicasttech.com ([63.105.122.7] helo=multicasttech.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGi3S-00006Z-AP for fecframe@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 14:41:10 -0500 Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP id 4085316; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 14:39:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <866E1181-2D4A-44CB-880D-6EC460D5C65B@multicasttech.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Marshall Eubanks Subject: Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe / Dallas Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 14:41:15 -0500 To: Marshall Eubanks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 32b73d73e8047ed17386f9799119ce43 Cc: fecframe@ietf.org X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Hello; I am going to assume that this is a go. Unless I hear otherwise, I will send a message out to this effect to the RMT, ARCH-D and IETF lists tomorrow AM. Meeting time : 8:00 PM Tuesday Meeting Location : TBD, but suggestions are open Meeting RP : TBD, but provisionally the Hotel lobby. RSVP : tme@multicasttech.com Regards Marshall On Mar 3, 2006, at 2:49 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > Well, I cannot speak for Allison, but what > I would suggest is > > - settle on a time (this is the only evening I have free, BTW) > - settle on a Rendezvous Point (hotel foyer generally works well); > we could taxi > to a good meeting point or stay in the hotel > - send emails to RMT and the IETF list, and I would suggest > arch-d (architecture-discuss@ietf.org) as well. If course, this list > will be in the loop too. > > Regards > Marshall > > On Mar 3, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > >> Allison, Marshall, >> >> This seems like a good idea. For my part I am ready to commit time to >> getting the work done. >> >> Is there a need/mechanism for advertising this "Bar BOF" more >> widely ? >> >> Regards, >> >> Mark >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Marshall Eubanks [mailto:tme@multicasttech.com] >> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:19 AM >> To: Allison Mankin >> Cc: fecframe@ietf.org; Mark Watson; magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com >> Subject: Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe / Dallas >> >> Dear Allison; >> >> I would suggest an informal open get-together Monday night of the >> IETF week, for dinner or after, to discuss this >> and see is there a critical mass to proceed. >> >> Marshall >> >> On Mar 3, 2006, at 2:05 PM, Allison Mankin wrote: >> >>> Marshall, >>> >>> I owe an explanation of this. >>> >>> I lacked a commitment from chair candidates when it came time >>> to propose the BOF as a WG. The list got very quiet during the >>> between-IETF >>> period when I tried to do some work on the Mark's IPR fix >>> and our chair volunteers of the time were awfully quiet too. >>> >>> I didn't push quite enough on this, and the question I had was >>> what this quiet meant. At least, not quite launch energy from >>> the floor... >>> >>> However, I've talked with Magnus about next steps: would people like >>> to contact him/me volunteering to chair? Are people ready to work? >>> There does not have to be another BOF, though an informal bar BOF is >>> fine (the note-well will apply). We do need people to plan on >>> working. >>> >>> Allison >>> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Fecframe mailing list > Fecframe@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe _______________________________________________ Fecframe mailing list Fecframe@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 07 15:25:27 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGikJ-0007Sq-Ag; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:25:27 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGikH-0007Sl-Qh for fecframe@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:25:25 -0500 Received: from mout.perfora.net ([217.160.230.40]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGikH-0001HI-IX for fecframe@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:25:25 -0500 Received: from [172.23.129.4] (helo=NTXBEUS01.exchange.xchg) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1FGikE2lYR-0006sG; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:25:24 -0500 Received: from NTXBEUS02.exchange.xchg ([172.23.129.5]) by NTXBEUS01.exchange.xchg with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 7 Mar 2006 15:25:18 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Fecframe] Fecframe / Dallas Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 15:24:43 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Fecframe] Fecframe / Dallas Thread-Index: AcZCHzRmxw01/KWSQ5+LpyW5qFxdLQABdb+A From: "Mark Watson" To: "Marshall Eubanks" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2006 20:25:18.0399 (UTC) FILETIME=[40246CF0:01C64225] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 057ebe9b96adec30a7efb2aeda4c26a4 Cc: fecframe@ietf.org X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Marshall, You originally suggested Monday as the only time you could make it, but the mail below says Tuesday. Monday would work better for me. ...Mark -----Original Message----- From: Marshall Eubanks [mailto:tme@multicasttech.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 11:41 AM To: Marshall Eubanks Cc: Mark Watson; fecframe@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe / Dallas=20 Hello; I am going to assume that this is a go. Unless I hear otherwise, I will send a message out to this effect to =20 the RMT, ARCH-D and IETF lists tomorrow AM. Meeting time : 8:00 PM Tuesday Meeting Location : TBD, but suggestions are open Meeting RP : TBD, but provisionally the Hotel lobby. RSVP : tme@multicasttech.com Regards Marshall On Mar 3, 2006, at 2:49 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > Well, I cannot speak for Allison, but what > I would suggest is > > - settle on a time (this is the only evening I have free, BTW) > - settle on a Rendezvous Point (hotel foyer generally works well); =20 > we could taxi > to a good meeting point or stay in the hotel > - send emails to RMT and the IETF list, and I would suggest > arch-d (architecture-discuss@ietf.org) as well. If course, this list > will be in the loop too. > > Regards > Marshall > > On Mar 3, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > >> Allison, Marshall, >> >> This seems like a good idea. For my part I am ready to commit time to >> getting the work done. >> >> Is there a need/mechanism for advertising this "Bar BOF" more =20 >> widely ? >> >> Regards, >> >> Mark >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Marshall Eubanks [mailto:tme@multicasttech.com] >> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:19 AM >> To: Allison Mankin >> Cc: fecframe@ietf.org; Mark Watson; magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com >> Subject: Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe / Dallas >> >> Dear Allison; >> >> I would suggest an informal open get-together Monday night of the >> IETF week, for dinner or after, to discuss this >> and see is there a critical mass to proceed. >> >> Marshall >> >> On Mar 3, 2006, at 2:05 PM, Allison Mankin wrote: >> >>> Marshall, >>> >>> I owe an explanation of this. >>> >>> I lacked a commitment from chair candidates when it came time >>> to propose the BOF as a WG. The list got very quiet during the >>> between-IETF >>> period when I tried to do some work on the Mark's IPR fix >>> and our chair volunteers of the time were awfully quiet too. >>> >>> I didn't push quite enough on this, and the question I had was >>> what this quiet meant. At least, not quite launch energy from >>> the floor... >>> >>> However, I've talked with Magnus about next steps: would people like >>> to contact him/me volunteering to chair? Are people ready to work? >>> There does not have to be another BOF, though an informal bar BOF is >>> fine (the note-well will apply). We do need people to plan on >>> working. >>> >>> Allison >>> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Fecframe mailing list > Fecframe@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe _______________________________________________ Fecframe mailing list Fecframe@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 07 16:57:49 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGkBg-00085Y-RL; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:57:48 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGkBg-00085T-Gc for fecframe@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:57:48 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGkBf-00042j-Uo for fecframe@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:57:48 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=psg.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1FGkBf-000GNe-LP; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 21:57:47 +0000 To: Marshall Eubanks Subject: Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe / Dallas Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 13:57:47 -0800 From: Allison Mankin X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6d95a152022472c7d6cdf886a0424dc6 Cc: fecframe@ietf.org X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Message-Id: Marshall, Tuesday really needs to be ruled out as a conflict with the birthday party social. I probably missed some sense of this thread, but you switched to Tuesday from Monday because you can only make it Tuesday? If so, we can make it quite late - a real bar BOF - 11 PM on one of the other days. Allison > > Hello; > > I am going to assume that this is a go. > Unless I hear otherwise, I will send a message out to this effect to > the RMT, ARCH-D and IETF lists tomorrow AM. > > Meeting time : 8:00 PM Tuesday > Meeting Location : TBD, but suggestions are open > Meeting RP : TBD, but provisionally the Hotel lobby. > RSVP : tme@multicasttech.com > > Regards > Marshall > > On Mar 3, 2006, at 2:49 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > > > Well, I cannot speak for Allison, but what > > I would suggest is > > > > - settle on a time (this is the only evening I have free, BTW) > > - settle on a Rendezvous Point (hotel foyer generally works well); > > we could taxi > > to a good meeting point or stay in the hotel > > - send emails to RMT and the IETF list, and I would suggest > > arch-d (architecture-discuss@ietf.org) as well. If course, this list > > will be in the loop too. > > > > Regards > > Marshall > > > > On Mar 3, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > > > >> Allison, Marshall, > >> > >> This seems like a good idea. For my part I am ready to commit time to > >> getting the work done. > >> > >> Is there a need/mechanism for advertising this "Bar BOF" more > >> widely ? > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Marshall Eubanks [mailto:tme@multicasttech.com] > >> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:19 AM > >> To: Allison Mankin > >> Cc: fecframe@ietf.org; Mark Watson; magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com > >> Subject: Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe / Dallas > >> > >> Dear Allison; > >> > >> I would suggest an informal open get-together Monday night of the > >> IETF week, for dinner or after, to discuss this > >> and see is there a critical mass to proceed. > >> > >> Marshall > >> > >> On Mar 3, 2006, at 2:05 PM, Allison Mankin wrote: > >> > >>> Marshall, > >>> > >>> I owe an explanation of this. > >>> > >>> I lacked a commitment from chair candidates when it came time > >>> to propose the BOF as a WG. The list got very quiet during the > >>> between-IETF > >>> period when I tried to do some work on the Mark's IPR fix > >>> and our chair volunteers of the time were awfully quiet too. > >>> > >>> I didn't push quite enough on this, and the question I had was > >>> what this quiet meant. At least, not quite launch energy from > >>> the floor... > >>> > >>> However, I've talked with Magnus about next steps: would people like > >>> to contact him/me volunteering to chair? Are people ready to work? > >>> There does not have to be another BOF, though an informal bar BOF is > >>> fine (the note-well will apply). We do need people to plan on > >>> working. > >>> > >>> Allison > >>> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fecframe mailing list > > Fecframe@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe > > > _______________________________________________ > Fecframe mailing list > Fecframe@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe _______________________________________________ Fecframe mailing list Fecframe@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 07 17:12:02 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGkPS-00017p-ND; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:12:02 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGkPS-00016X-06 for fecframe@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:12:02 -0500 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGjUe-00072O-1a for fecframe@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:13:20 -0500 Received: from lennon.multicasttech.com ([63.105.122.7] helo=multicasttech.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGjPo-0001qW-54 for fecframe@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:08:25 -0500 Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP id 4085432; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:06:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Marshall Eubanks Subject: Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe / Dallas Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 16:08:27 -0500 To: "Mark Watson" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Scan-Signature: b2809b6f39decc6de467dcf252f42af1 Cc: fecframe@ietf.org X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Very, very good catch. Yes, I meant Monday. I intend to go to IETF at 20 Tuesday. So, once more with feeling : Meeting time : 8:00 PM Monday (At this hour, this implies a dinner BOF) Meeting Location : TBD, but suggestions are welcomed. Meeting RP : TBD, but provisionally the Hotel lobby. RSVP : tme@multicasttech.com (I would like to gauge possible transportation and dining options) (I intend to be at shim6 at 7:50.) Marshall On Mar 7, 2006, at 3:24 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > Marshall, > > You originally suggested Monday as the only time you could make it, > but > the mail below says Tuesday. Monday would work better for me. > > ...Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marshall Eubanks [mailto:tme@multicasttech.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 11:41 AM > To: Marshall Eubanks > Cc: Mark Watson; fecframe@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe / Dallas > > Hello; > > I am going to assume that this is a go. > Unless I hear otherwise, I will send a message out to this effect to > the RMT, ARCH-D and IETF lists tomorrow AM. > > Meeting time : 8:00 PM Tuesday > Meeting Location : TBD, but suggestions are open > Meeting RP : TBD, but provisionally the Hotel lobby. > RSVP : tme@multicasttech.com > > Regards > Marshall > > On Mar 3, 2006, at 2:49 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > >> Well, I cannot speak for Allison, but what >> I would suggest is >> >> - settle on a time (this is the only evening I have free, BTW) >> - settle on a Rendezvous Point (hotel foyer generally works well); >> we could taxi >> to a good meeting point or stay in the hotel >> - send emails to RMT and the IETF list, and I would suggest >> arch-d (architecture-discuss@ietf.org) as well. If course, this list >> will be in the loop too. >> >> Regards >> Marshall >> >> On Mar 3, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Mark Watson wrote: >> >>> Allison, Marshall, >>> >>> This seems like a good idea. For my part I am ready to commit >>> time to >>> getting the work done. >>> >>> Is there a need/mechanism for advertising this "Bar BOF" more >>> widely ? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Marshall Eubanks [mailto:tme@multicasttech.com] >>> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:19 AM >>> To: Allison Mankin >>> Cc: fecframe@ietf.org; Mark Watson; magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com >>> Subject: Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe / Dallas >>> >>> Dear Allison; >>> >>> I would suggest an informal open get-together Monday night of the >>> IETF week, for dinner or after, to discuss this >>> and see is there a critical mass to proceed. >>> >>> Marshall >>> >>> On Mar 3, 2006, at 2:05 PM, Allison Mankin wrote: >>> >>>> Marshall, >>>> >>>> I owe an explanation of this. >>>> >>>> I lacked a commitment from chair candidates when it came time >>>> to propose the BOF as a WG. The list got very quiet during the >>>> between-IETF >>>> period when I tried to do some work on the Mark's IPR fix >>>> and our chair volunteers of the time were awfully quiet too. >>>> >>>> I didn't push quite enough on this, and the question I had was >>>> what this quiet meant. At least, not quite launch energy from >>>> the floor... >>>> >>>> However, I've talked with Magnus about next steps: would people >>>> like >>>> to contact him/me volunteering to chair? Are people ready to work? >>>> There does not have to be another BOF, though an informal bar >>>> BOF is >>>> fine (the note-well will apply). We do need people to plan on >>>> working. >>>> >>>> Allison >>>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fecframe mailing list >> Fecframe@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe > _______________________________________________ Fecframe mailing list Fecframe@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 07 17:51:54 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGl22-0000yB-Gj; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:51:54 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGl1z-0000oZ-S2 for fecframe@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:51:51 -0500 Received: from lennon.multicasttech.com ([63.105.122.7] helo=multicasttech.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGl1z-0008DB-J7 for fecframe@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:51:51 -0500 Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP id 4085579; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:50:27 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Marshall Eubanks Subject: Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe / Dallas Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:51:59 -0500 To: Allison Mankin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7da5a831c477fb6ef97f379a05fb683c Cc: fecframe@ietf.org X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org On Mar 7, 2006, at 4:57 PM, Allison Mankin wrote: > Marshall, > > Tuesday really needs to be ruled out as a conflict with the > birthday party social. > > I probably missed some sense of this thread, but you switched > to Tuesday from Monday because you can only make it Tuesday? If so, No, sorry, it was just a mistake on my part. I had written the wrong date down. I originally suggested Monday, and still want Monday. I apologize for the confusion. I'm still looking for suggestions for somewhere to go. (To eat, that is.) The main agenda is, wither FecFrame ? I think that this idea has merit and should be pursued. Are enough people interested and willing to do something about it to warrant the move to a WG ? See you in Dallas. Marshall > we can make it quite late - a real bar BOF - 11 PM on one of the > other days. > > Allison > >> >> Hello; >> >> I am going to assume that this is a go. >> Unless I hear otherwise, I will send a message out to this effect to >> the RMT, ARCH-D and IETF lists tomorrow AM. >> >> Meeting time : 8:00 PM Tuesday >> Meeting Location : TBD, but suggestions are open >> Meeting RP : TBD, but provisionally the Hotel lobby. >> RSVP : tme@multicasttech.com >> >> Regards >> Marshall >> >> On Mar 3, 2006, at 2:49 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: >> >>> Well, I cannot speak for Allison, but what >>> I would suggest is >>> >>> - settle on a time (this is the only evening I have free, BTW) >>> - settle on a Rendezvous Point (hotel foyer generally works well); >>> we could taxi >>> to a good meeting point or stay in the hotel >>> - send emails to RMT and the IETF list, and I would suggest >>> arch-d (architecture-discuss@ietf.org) as well. If course, this list >>> will be in the loop too. >>> >>> Regards >>> Marshall >>> >>> On Mar 3, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Mark Watson wrote: >>> >>>> Allison, Marshall, >>>> >>>> This seems like a good idea. For my part I am ready to commit >>>> time to >>>> getting the work done. >>>> >>>> Is there a need/mechanism for advertising this "Bar BOF" more >>>> widely ? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Marshall Eubanks [mailto:tme@multicasttech.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:19 AM >>>> To: Allison Mankin >>>> Cc: fecframe@ietf.org; Mark Watson; magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com >>>> Subject: Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe / Dallas >>>> >>>> Dear Allison; >>>> >>>> I would suggest an informal open get-together Monday night of the >>>> IETF week, for dinner or after, to discuss this >>>> and see is there a critical mass to proceed. >>>> >>>> Marshall >>>> >>>> On Mar 3, 2006, at 2:05 PM, Allison Mankin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Marshall, >>>>> >>>>> I owe an explanation of this. >>>>> >>>>> I lacked a commitment from chair candidates when it came time >>>>> to propose the BOF as a WG. The list got very quiet during the >>>>> between-IETF >>>>> period when I tried to do some work on the Mark's IPR fix >>>>> and our chair volunteers of the time were awfully quiet too. >>>>> >>>>> I didn't push quite enough on this, and the question I had was >>>>> what this quiet meant. At least, not quite launch energy from >>>>> the floor... >>>>> >>>>> However, I've talked with Magnus about next steps: would people >>>>> like >>>>> to contact him/me volunteering to chair? Are people ready to >>>>> work? >>>>> There does not have to be another BOF, though an informal bar >>>>> BOF is >>>>> fine (the note-well will apply). We do need people to plan on >>>>> working. >>>>> >>>>> Allison >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fecframe mailing list >>> Fecframe@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fecframe mailing list >> Fecframe@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe _______________________________________________ Fecframe mailing list Fecframe@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 07 20:00:27 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGn2R-0003KQ-A8; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 20:00:27 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGn2Q-0003Jp-PB for fecframe@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 20:00:26 -0500 Received: from lennon.multicasttech.com ([63.105.122.7] helo=multicasttech.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGn2Q-0005nY-GS for fecframe@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 20:00:26 -0500 Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP id 4085776; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 19:59:01 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Marshall Eubanks Subject: Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe / Dallas Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 20:00:35 -0500 To: Allison Mankin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3971661e40967acfc35f708dd5f33760 Cc: fecframe@ietf.org X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Dear Allison et al; I am going to send this to IETF, RMT and ARCH-D tomorrow. Let me know if the wording needs any changes. Marshall ------- Subject : Informal FecFrame BOF. I asked why this FecFrame was not meeting at the Dallas IETF, and whether it would become a Working Group, and was told that the BOF had apparently run out of steam recently. So, we are going to have an informal dinner BOF the Monday of the IETF Week. The main agenda is, wither FecFrame ? I think that this idea has merit and should be pursued. Are enough people interested and willing to do something about it to warrant the move to a WG ? Meeting time : 8:00 PM Monday, March 20th. Meeting Location : TBD, but suggestions are welcomed. Meeting Rendezvous Point : TBD, but provisionally the Hotel lobby. RSVP : tme@multicasttech.com (I would like to gauge possible transportation and dining options, and I will keep you apprised of details as they become available.) Note that Allison Mankin points out that as this is an IETF related meeting the "NOTE WELL" will apply. Regards Marshall ----- On Mar 7, 2006, at 4:57 PM, Allison Mankin wrote: > Marshall, > > Tuesday really needs to be ruled out as a conflict with the > birthday party social. > > I probably missed some sense of this thread, but you switched > to Tuesday from Monday because you can only make it Tuesday? If so, > we can make it quite late - a real bar BOF - 11 PM on one of the > other days. > > Allison > >> >> Hello; >> >> I am going to assume that this is a go. >> Unless I hear otherwise, I will send a message out to this effect to >> the RMT, ARCH-D and IETF lists tomorrow AM. >> >> Meeting time : 8:00 PM Tuesday >> Meeting Location : TBD, but suggestions are open >> Meeting RP : TBD, but provisionally the Hotel lobby. >> RSVP : tme@multicasttech.com >> >> Regards >> Marshall >> >> On Mar 3, 2006, at 2:49 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: >> >>> Well, I cannot speak for Allison, but what >>> I would suggest is >>> >>> - settle on a time (this is the only evening I have free, BTW) >>> - settle on a Rendezvous Point (hotel foyer generally works well); >>> we could taxi >>> to a good meeting point or stay in the hotel >>> - send emails to RMT and the IETF list, and I would suggest >>> arch-d (architecture-discuss@ietf.org) as well. If course, this list >>> will be in the loop too. >>> >>> Regards >>> Marshall >>> >>> On Mar 3, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Mark Watson wrote: >>> >>>> Allison, Marshall, >>>> >>>> This seems like a good idea. For my part I am ready to commit >>>> time to >>>> getting the work done. >>>> >>>> Is there a need/mechanism for advertising this "Bar BOF" more >>>> widely ? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Marshall Eubanks [mailto:tme@multicasttech.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:19 AM >>>> To: Allison Mankin >>>> Cc: fecframe@ietf.org; Mark Watson; magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com >>>> Subject: Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe / Dallas >>>> >>>> Dear Allison; >>>> >>>> I would suggest an informal open get-together Monday night of the >>>> IETF week, for dinner or after, to discuss this >>>> and see is there a critical mass to proceed. >>>> >>>> Marshall >>>> >>>> On Mar 3, 2006, at 2:05 PM, Allison Mankin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Marshall, >>>>> >>>>> I owe an explanation of this. >>>>> >>>>> I lacked a commitment from chair candidates when it came time >>>>> to propose the BOF as a WG. The list got very quiet during the >>>>> between-IETF >>>>> period when I tried to do some work on the Mark's IPR fix >>>>> and our chair volunteers of the time were awfully quiet too. >>>>> >>>>> I didn't push quite enough on this, and the question I had was >>>>> what this quiet meant. At least, not quite launch energy from >>>>> the floor... >>>>> >>>>> However, I've talked with Magnus about next steps: would people >>>>> like >>>>> to contact him/me volunteering to chair? Are people ready to >>>>> work? >>>>> There does not have to be another BOF, though an informal bar >>>>> BOF is >>>>> fine (the note-well will apply). We do need people to plan on >>>>> working. >>>>> >>>>> Allison >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fecframe mailing list >>> Fecframe@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fecframe mailing list >> Fecframe@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe _______________________________________________ Fecframe mailing list Fecframe@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 08 05:02:46 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGvVF-0005YY-RH; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 05:02:45 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGvVD-0005Wb-G8 for fecframe@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 05:02:44 -0500 Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.60]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGvVC-0002ZP-OV for fecframe@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 05:02:43 -0500 Received: from esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.122]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 84717D1E; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 11:02:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.173]) by esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 8 Mar 2006 11:02:41 +0100 Received: from [147.214.30.119] ([147.214.30.119]) by esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 8 Mar 2006 11:02:40 +0100 Message-ID: <440EABC1.2000204@ericsson.com> Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 11:02:41 +0100 From: Magnus Westerlund User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marshall Eubanks Subject: Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe / Dallas References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2006 10:02:40.0807 (UTC) FILETIME=[6FB20370:01C64297] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3d7f2f6612d734db849efa86ea692407 Cc: fecframe@ietf.org X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I will participate in this Informal BOF. I will also apologize for not being more forward as an intended chair. However I think this is work that TSV should do and I do hope that we will be able to charter this as a WG. I do know that RTP could benefit from a transport level support by high performance FEC codes. But to do that I will need to know that there still is interest in this topic. Hopes for a fruitful meeting in Dallas Magnus Marshall Eubanks wrote: > Very, very good catch. Yes, I meant Monday. I intend to go to IETF at > 20 Tuesday. > > So, once more with feeling : > > Meeting time : 8:00 PM Monday (At this hour, this implies a dinner BOF) > Meeting Location : TBD, but suggestions are welcomed. > Meeting RP : TBD, but provisionally the Hotel lobby. > RSVP : tme@multicasttech.com (I would like to gauge possible > transportation and dining options) > > (I intend to be at shim6 at 7:50.) > > Marshall > > > On Mar 7, 2006, at 3:24 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > >> Marshall, >> >> You originally suggested Monday as the only time you could make it, >> but >> the mail below says Tuesday. Monday would work better for me. >> >> ...Mark >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Marshall Eubanks [mailto:tme@multicasttech.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 11:41 AM >> To: Marshall Eubanks >> Cc: Mark Watson; fecframe@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe / Dallas >> >> Hello; >> >> I am going to assume that this is a go. >> Unless I hear otherwise, I will send a message out to this effect to >> the RMT, ARCH-D and IETF lists tomorrow AM. >> >> Meeting time : 8:00 PM Tuesday >> Meeting Location : TBD, but suggestions are open >> Meeting RP : TBD, but provisionally the Hotel lobby. >> RSVP : tme@multicasttech.com >> >> Regards >> Marshall >> >> On Mar 3, 2006, at 2:49 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: >> >>> Well, I cannot speak for Allison, but what >>> I would suggest is >>> >>> - settle on a time (this is the only evening I have free, BTW) >>> - settle on a Rendezvous Point (hotel foyer generally works well); >>> we could taxi >>> to a good meeting point or stay in the hotel >>> - send emails to RMT and the IETF list, and I would suggest >>> arch-d (architecture-discuss@ietf.org) as well. If course, this list >>> will be in the loop too. >>> >>> Regards >>> Marshall >>> >>> On Mar 3, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Mark Watson wrote: >>> >>>> Allison, Marshall, >>>> >>>> This seems like a good idea. For my part I am ready to commit >>>> time to >>>> getting the work done. >>>> >>>> Is there a need/mechanism for advertising this "Bar BOF" more >>>> widely ? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Marshall Eubanks [mailto:tme@multicasttech.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:19 AM >>>> To: Allison Mankin >>>> Cc: fecframe@ietf.org; Mark Watson; magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com >>>> Subject: Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe / Dallas >>>> >>>> Dear Allison; >>>> >>>> I would suggest an informal open get-together Monday night of the >>>> IETF week, for dinner or after, to discuss this >>>> and see is there a critical mass to proceed. >>>> >>>> Marshall >>>> >>>> On Mar 3, 2006, at 2:05 PM, Allison Mankin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Marshall, >>>>> >>>>> I owe an explanation of this. >>>>> >>>>> I lacked a commitment from chair candidates when it came time >>>>> to propose the BOF as a WG. The list got very quiet during the >>>>> between-IETF >>>>> period when I tried to do some work on the Mark's IPR fix >>>>> and our chair volunteers of the time were awfully quiet too. >>>>> >>>>> I didn't push quite enough on this, and the question I had was >>>>> what this quiet meant. At least, not quite launch energy from >>>>> the floor... >>>>> >>>>> However, I've talked with Magnus about next steps: would people >>>>> like >>>>> to contact him/me volunteering to chair? Are people ready to work? >>>>> There does not have to be another BOF, though an informal bar >>>>> BOF is >>>>> fine (the note-well will apply). We do need people to plan on >>>>> working. >>>>> >>>>> Allison >>>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fecframe mailing list >>> Fecframe@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe > > > _______________________________________________ > Fecframe mailing list > Fecframe@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe > -- Magnus Westerlund Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVA/A ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 8 4048287 Torshamsgatan 23 | Fax +46 8 7575550 S-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com _______________________________________________ Fecframe mailing list Fecframe@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 08 09:37:06 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGzmk-0006hA-6J; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 09:37:06 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGzmj-0006h5-9o for fecframe@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 09:37:05 -0500 Received: from lennon.multicasttech.com ([63.105.122.7] helo=multicasttech.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGzmj-0003cm-0A for fecframe@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 09:37:05 -0500 Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP id 4086792 for fecframe@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 09:35:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2BB51763-75B3-4202-A27B-657602F4473B@multicasttech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: fecframe@ietf.org From: Marshall Eubanks Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:37:14 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 Subject: [Fecframe] Informal BOF Message sent X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org The following message was sent this AM to the IETF, RMT and ARCH-D lists. Marshall ----- Hello; Apologies if you receive duplicate posts. I asked why FecFrame was not meeting at the Dallas IETF, and whether it would become a Working Group, and was told that the BOF had recently lost a chair, and that for this and other reasons the meeting did not make the agenda. I think that this idea has merit and should be pursued, and volunteered to put together an informal meeting. It seems that Monday night is the best night for this, so we are going to have an informal dinner BOF the Monday of the IETF Week. The main agenda is, wither FecFrame ? Are enough people interested and willing to do something about this BOF to warrant the move to a WG ? Of course, people who are interested and who would like to learn more are also welcome. Meeting time : 8:00 PM Monday, March 20th. Meeting Location : TBD, but suggestions are welcomed. Meeting Rendezvous Point : TBD, but provisionally the Hotel lobby. RSVP : tme@multicasttech.com (I would like to gauge possible transportation and dining options, and I will keep people who respond apprised of details as they become available.) Note that Allison Mankin points out that as this is an IETF related meeting, the "NOTE WELL" will apply. For the curious, here are the proceedings from Vancouver : http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/05nov/fecframe.html Feel free to distribute this invitation to others who might be interested. Regards Marshall Eubanks _______________________________________________ Fecframe mailing list Fecframe@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 16 07:42:25 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FJro9-0000eD-B6; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:42:25 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FJro7-0000cT-Lx for fecframe@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:42:23 -0500 Received: from lennon.multicasttech.com ([63.105.122.7] helo=multicasttech.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FJro5-0007yG-EV for fecframe@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:42:23 -0500 Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP id 4107064; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:42:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Marshall Eubanks Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:42:30 -0500 To: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b4a0a5f5992e2a4954405484e7717d8c Cc: Subject: [Fecframe] Fwd: [Rmt] Digital Fountain IPR statement on draft-ietf-rmt-bb-fec-raptor-object X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org I would assume that this applies to FecFrame as well, and certainly =20 should be discussed Monday night. Regards Marshall Begin forwarded message: > From: "Mark Watson" > Date: March 16, 2006 1:19:21 AM EST > To: > Subject: [Rmt] Digital Fountain IPR statement on draft-ietf-rmt-bb-=20 > fec-raptor-object > > All, > > > > As most of you are aware, Digital Fountain has to date been =20 > promoting our core technology, DF Raptor, as an open standard in =20 > IETF RMT and elsewhere, for any and all applications. This mail is =20= > to let you know about a change to that strategy: As a result of a =20 > recent, significant new relationship that is crucial to Digital =20 > Fountain with a prime contractor in the defense industry, our =20 > approach going forward will be to promote Raptor as an open =20 > standard for specific markets and applications =96 including of =20 > course 3GPP and DVB standards where Raptor has already been adopted =20= > and others in future. > > > > However, this means revising the IPR statement that we have made to =20= > the IETF regarding draft-ietf-rmt-bb-fec-raptor-object because, =20 > whilst we still offer RAND terms for specific standards such as =20 > 3GPP and DVB, we are no longer able to offer RAND terms independent =20= > of market and application. > > > > Going forward, there are several options regarding draft-ietf-rmt-=20 > fec-raptor-object, including not publishing it at all. This is of =20 > course a decision for the IETF and Digital Fountain will not take a =20= > position in that discussion. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Mark Watson > > Digital Fountain > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rmt mailing list > Rmt@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rmt _______________________________________________ Fecframe mailing list Fecframe@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 16 10:50:44 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FJukN-0000n9-Va; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:50:43 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FJukM-0000mg-H9 for fecframe@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:50:42 -0500 Received: from mout.perfora.net ([217.160.230.41]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FJukM-0006FI-79 for fecframe@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:50:42 -0500 Received: from [172.23.129.4] (helo=NTXBEUS01.exchange.xchg) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1FJukH39hm-00022E; 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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Fecframe mailing list Fecframe@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe --===============0468808736==-- From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Sun Mar 19 16:18:10 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FL5Ht-00064n-Pd; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:18:09 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FL5Hs-00064i-Kt for fecframe@ietf.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:18:08 -0500 Received: from lennon.multicasttech.com ([63.105.122.7] helo=multicasttech.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FL5Hq-0002eY-DW for fecframe@ietf.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:18:08 -0500 Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP id 4113485; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:17:35 -0500 In-Reply-To: <30DB0B59-1CD5-457C-9363-497662E9E7D0@multicasttech.com> References: <30DB0B59-1CD5-457C-9363-497662E9E7D0@multicasttech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Marshall Eubanks Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:18:14 -0500 To: Marshall Eubanks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f607d15ccc2bc4eaf3ade8ffa8af02a0 Cc: fecframe@ietf.org Subject: [Fecframe] Re: Informal FecFrame BOF in Dallas X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org We now have over 9 people who have expressed interest in this. I will be sending a message confirming dates and RP location Monday by Noon or early afternoon. Any suggestions for a place to go ? Regards Marshall On Mar 8, 2006, at 9:36 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > Hello; > > Apologies if you receive duplicate posts. > > I asked why FecFrame was not meeting at the Dallas IETF, and > whether it would become a Working Group, > and was told that the BOF had recently lost a chair, and > that for this and other reasons the meeting did not make the agenda. > > I think that this idea has merit and should be pursued, and > volunteered to put together an informal meeting. It seems that > Monday night is the best night for this, so > we are going to have an informal dinner BOF the Monday of the > IETF Week. > > The main agenda is, wither FecFrame ? Are enough people interested > and willing to do something about this BOF to warrant the move to a > WG ? Of course, people who are interested and who would like to > learn more are also welcome. > > Meeting time : 8:00 PM Monday, March 20th. > Meeting Location : TBD, but suggestions are welcomed. > Meeting Rendezvous Point : TBD, but provisionally the Hotel lobby. > RSVP : tme@multicasttech.com (I would like to gauge possible > transportation and dining options, and I will keep people who > respond apprised of > details as they become available.) > > Note that Allison Mankin points out that as this is an IETF related > meeting, the "NOTE WELL" will apply. > > For the curious, here are the proceedings from Vancouver : > > http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/05nov/fecframe.html > > Feel free to distribute this invitation to others who might be > interested. > > Regards > Marshall Eubanks > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Fecframe mailing list Fecframe@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 20 19:47:40 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FLV2C-0001HY-CR; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:47:40 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FLV2B-0001HO-Dh for fecframe@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:47:39 -0500 Received: from uproxy.gmail.com ([66.249.92.205]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FLV2A-0004vt-5f for fecframe@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:47:39 -0500 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j3so679181ugf for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:47:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=HY6vmEY/TbscACVtOn1XpphKu9J1BiruVV+oA91zxhWnn2U+kYGMLno6oeMaIlcK4k+nOVWunLPzLmape5RrdfH2UBpTX+SZVjLreU6Ccf89E69t8JGaVUFSloaeOAK6HPQSpxo9RU2LtKDXtIcEhZr6tPF3xMknu+xwN0M2fuc= Received: by 10.66.186.5 with SMTP id j5mr4558957ugf; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:47:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.254.7 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:47:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38c19b540603201647r1519a371s7cf82c6c48a4338c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:47:37 -0800 From: "Greg Shepherd" To: fecframe@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 01485d64dfa90b45a74269b3ca9d5574 Subject: [Fecframe] Monday BOF X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org What time, and where are we meeting? Greg _______________________________________________ Fecframe mailing list Fecframe@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 20 20:10:07 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FLVNv-0007el-AH; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:10:07 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FLVNt-0007YE-Uh for fecframe@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:10:05 -0500 Received: from lennon.multicasttech.com ([63.105.122.7] helo=multicasttech.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FLVNs-00063V-PS for fecframe@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:10:05 -0500 Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP id 4115718 for fecframe@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:09:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: fecframe@ietf.org From: Marshall Eubanks Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:09:31 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Subject: [Fecframe] Meeting tonight X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Hello; After a discussion with Eddie, the hotel concierge, I have made reservations at the "Cosmic Cafe," which is an Indian Restaurant fairly close (5 minute drive) from here. The address is 2912 Oakland Ave I will try and find mapquest directions. Marshall On Mar 20, 2006, at 6:38 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > The Chantilly Foyer is the one with elephants. > > Marshall > > On Mar 20, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > >> Let's meet at 2000 at the "Chantilly Foyer" >> >> I am wearing a blue shirt and am fairly tall. >> >> As far as a place to go, I have been recommended one and am >> checking it out... >> >> Marshall > _______________________________________________ Fecframe mailing list Fecframe@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 20 20:13:44 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FLVRQ-0000LY-E9; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:13:44 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FLVRO-0000LT-NP for fecframe@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:13:42 -0500 Received: from uproxy.gmail.com ([66.249.92.196]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FLVRN-0006CG-Dy for fecframe@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:13:42 -0500 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a2so661251ugf for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:13:40 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=P/n1Sc3znJKyZ366ID5AWp61I31Flf6wZ+R3SWuWyXEdGgOPlxXuE0SgUsP4yk/WCeLSbGScXIENsDn+8aj5H1B4P/+Rrv4ze/jvccbwGbglYphjBxDLb29FOnOwwel4vSJmcndLLUdY1b7/lL7sUEgGVru3fclB5YFXt75p3Bs= Received: by 10.66.254.4 with SMTP id b4mr4507842ugi; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:13:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.254.7 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:13:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38c19b540603201713w2340465em27040ca13266e464@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:13:40 -0800 From: "Greg Shepherd" To: "Marshall Eubanks" Subject: Re: [Fecframe] Meeting tonight In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 Cc: fecframe@ietf.org X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Perfect. I'm short, bearded, glasses, red shirt - the guy standing next to Marshall.= ;-) See you at 2000 at the "Chantilly Foyer" Greg On 3/20/06, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > Hello; > > After a discussion with Eddie, the hotel concierge, I have made > reservations at the "Cosmic Cafe," > which is an Indian Restaurant fairly close (5 minute drive) from here. > > The address is 2912 Oakland Ave > > I will try and find mapquest directions. > > Marshall > > On Mar 20, 2006, at 6:38 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > > The Chantilly Foyer is the one with elephants. > > > > Marshall > > > > On Mar 20, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > > > >> Let's meet at 2000 at the "Chantilly Foyer" > >> > >> I am wearing a blue shirt and am fairly tall. > >> > >> As far as a place to go, I have been recommended one and am > >> checking it out... > >> > >> Marshall > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fecframe mailing list > Fecframe@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe > _______________________________________________ Fecframe mailing list Fecframe@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 20 20:26:18 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FLVda-0008F6-R9; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:26:18 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FLTLv-0003IA-GP for fecframe@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:59:55 -0500 Received: from lennon.multicasttech.com ([63.105.122.7] helo=multicasttech.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FLT7T-0007U9-HA for fecframe@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:45:00 -0500 Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP id 4115524; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:44:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Marshall Eubanks Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:44:31 -0500 To: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:26:18 -0500 Cc: "Thomas Kernen \(thkernen\)" , Joerg Ott , lars.eggert@netlab.nec.de Subject: [Fecframe] Meeting Tonight X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Let's meet at 2000 at the "Chantilly Foyer" I am wearing a blue shirt and am fairly tall. As far as a place to go, I have been recommended one and am checking it out... Marshall _______________________________________________ Fecframe mailing list Fecframe@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 20 20:26:18 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FLVda-0008FU-Ty; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:26:18 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FLTx2-0000Uk-32 for fecframe@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:38:16 -0500 Received: from lennon.multicasttech.com ([63.105.122.7] helo=multicasttech.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FLTx0-0001V9-U0 for fecframe@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:38:16 -0500 Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP id 4115590; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:37:39 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Marshall Eubanks Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:38:24 -0500 To: Marshall Eubanks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:26:18 -0500 Cc: "Thomas Kernen \(thkernen\)" , Joerg Ott , lars.eggert@netlab.nec.de, fecframe@ietf.org Subject: [Fecframe] Re: Meeting Tonight X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org The Chantilly Foyer is the one with elephants. Marshall On Mar 20, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > Let's meet at 2000 at the "Chantilly Foyer" > > I am wearing a blue shirt and am fairly tall. > > As far as a place to go, I have been recommended one and am > checking it out... > > Marshall _______________________________________________ Fecframe mailing list Fecframe@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 20 20:48:29 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FLVz3-0003Ep-NP; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:48:29 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FLVz3-0003Ek-8j for fecframe@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:48:29 -0500 Received: from lennon.multicasttech.com ([63.105.122.7] helo=multicasttech.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FLVz2-0007Lr-1i for fecframe@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:48:29 -0500 Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP id 4115795; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:47:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: <38c19b540603201713w2340465em27040ca13266e464@mail.gmail.com> References: <38c19b540603201713w2340465em27040ca13266e464@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Marshall Eubanks Subject: Re: [Fecframe] Meeting tonight Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:48:37 -0500 To: "Greg Shepherd" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 25620135586de10c627e3628c432b04a Cc: fecframe@ietf.org X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org If this is to be believed, it's really only a short swim : http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp? go=1&do=nw&rmm=1&un=m&cl=EN&qq=1ADqpk24ofDkuc4IG4Ehs6y1qtMOH% 252fItjEx2lafoL2hxvtStzFcYgtvy% 252fJbU2tw7tR5uQ8b0A9yBrmJ1KRObDTHFgLiapyIlLvXxMCprTRSbWy1zxGvIspL% 252bWR8tZAvga%252bQetN9wWDppX69U3%252b3kFqwlCDLUf3Xbm% 252bXDEF0O8Cq6liBX3EODXjHrRVWmCxMZKNDKJ8lLY7gVc8SCjBUCCQzkO7v% 252bzBM5cj3oAOFcSWahEitgKhxs%252fXIUpzDvdWSi6f3VymqffhmA8unmKviTDA% 253d%253d&ct=NA&rsres=1&1y=US&1ffi=&1l=&1g=&1pl=&1v=&1n=&1pn=&1a=2201 +N+STEMMONS +FWY&1c=DALLAS&1s=TX&1z=75207-2801&panelbtn=1&2y=US&2ffi=&2l=TCH1Z66eJTY %253d&2g=4SBxj8emGsI%253d&2pl=&2v=ADDRESS&2n=&2pn=&2a=2912+Oak+Lawn +Ave&2c=Dallas&2s=TX&2z=75219-4131 Note that it's Oaklawn, not Oakland. Marshall On Mar 20, 2006, at 8:13 PM, Greg Shepherd wrote: > Perfect. > > I'm short, bearded, glasses, red shirt - the guy standing next to > Marshall. ;-) > > See you at 2000 at the "Chantilly Foyer" > > Greg > > On 3/20/06, Marshall Eubanks wrote: >> Hello; >> >> After a discussion with Eddie, the hotel concierge, I have made >> reservations at the "Cosmic Cafe," >> which is an Indian Restaurant fairly close (5 minute drive) from >> here. >> >> The address is 2912 Oakland Ave s/land/lawn/ >> >> I will try and find mapquest directions. >> >> Marshall >> >> On Mar 20, 2006, at 6:38 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: >>> The Chantilly Foyer is the one with elephants. >>> >>> Marshall >>> >>> On Mar 20, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: >>> >>>> Let's meet at 2000 at the "Chantilly Foyer" >>>> >>>> I am wearing a blue shirt and am fairly tall. >>>> >>>> As far as a place to go, I have been recommended one and am >>>> checking it out... >>>> >>>> Marshall >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fecframe mailing list >> Fecframe@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe >> _______________________________________________ Fecframe mailing list Fecframe@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 22 15:32:44 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FMA0a-0007fs-8S; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:32:44 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FMA0Y-0007ey-B4 for fecframe@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:32:42 -0500 Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.60]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FMA0V-0000fg-LI for fecframe@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:32:42 -0500 Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.123]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id E5DA64E0 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:32:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.174]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:32:38 +0100 Received: from [153.88.15.173] ([153.88.15.173]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:32:38 +0100 Message-ID: <4421B464.2050404@ericsson.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:32:36 +0100 From: Magnus Westerlund User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "fecframe@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2006 20:32:38.0196 (UTC) FILETIME=[C27A5F40:01C64DEF] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 92df29fa99cf13e554b84c8374345c17 Subject: [Fecframe] Updated Charter and Milestones proposal X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Below is an updated charter and milestone proposal that I will use in the forming process. FEC Framework (FECFrame) Chairs: Greg Shepherd (gjshep@gmail.com) Marshall Eubanks (tme@multicasttech.com) Transport Area Director(s): Magnus Westerlund (magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com) Lars Eggert (lars.eggert@netlab.nec.de) Transport Area Advisor: Magnus Westerlund (magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com) Charter for FECFrame Working Group The object of this group is to develop specifications for using forward error correction (FEC) codes with applications in the Internet to provide protection against packet loss. The group will develop a protocol framework for application of FEC codes to arbitrary packet flows over unreliable transport protocols over both IP multicast and unicast. The application of the FEC codec on an aggregate of multiple packet flows may be investigated and considered to be included in the solution. The FECFrame working group will build on the FEC Building Block developed by the RMT working group. The FEC Building Block was developed there to ensure that the RMT framework developed can support multiple FEC codes and maintain independence between FEC codes and protocols based on the framework. A primary objective of this framework is to support FEC for streaming media. Other potential usages of the framework may be brought to the working group for consideration during the development of the requirements, to enable future support of those usages. The group will coordinate closely with the AVT and MMUSIC working groups to ensure that the streaming use-case is fully specified both in terms of interactions with RTP/RTCP and application layer signalling. The group will also coordinate with the DCCP working group, at least to consider that transport protocol's role in streaming media. The interactions of the framework with existing and used security mechanisms must also be considered. The group will work with the RMT working group to ensure that the FEC Building Block defined in RMT supports both the RMT use-cases (object delivery over multicast) and the more general FEC protection of flow(s) over unreliable unicast and multicast transport. Specification of hybrid schemes involving both retransmission and forward error correction is out of scope of the group. MILESTONES: Nov 06 - Working Group consensus on requirements and their prioritization for the FEC protocol framework Mar 07 - Completed selection of solution to develop and mature Nov 07 - FEC Streaming Framework submitted as Proposed Standard Mar 08 - Submit supporting specifications such as usage considerations, signalling interactions and requirements for publication. -- Magnus Westerlund Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVA/A ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 8 4048287 Torshamsgatan 23 | Fax +46 8 7575550 S-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com _______________________________________________ Fecframe mailing list Fecframe@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe