From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 01 10:16:12 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Inapx-0001zX-EJ; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:15:57 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Inapx-0001zS-3l for fecframe@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:15:57 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.190]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Inapr-000357-Re for fecframe@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:15:57 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d21so373225nfb for ; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 07:15:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=m4HYOmmdM+UEd4o9Fm27eB3Ws9iJ0VPrOON8/tz/gwA=; b=BufpscJIBasGsoWEMgBjgxDnsC7yttsSaqrmpd4/qZcZo82T2xZ+Fbg08ukm4Zhr3+oWHUDVUYqZmlDihqNQ7+Bo2XLqrQcAgriGXieZB9SO2nspwUOI94QLxjdyii+NXhsdLXDEzz3e+T3bDH2a2zpmXPiVB8vHYwabvBm3ENo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Kx4LJ5r+PhGpJxgJTceDW9Um2Nk8gghjmtmT9PIlZoGfSUE2mdH50FVB7W7ZMAxMmJ7OrBV5qVYBNsqhCsgCKgwPS0sGK2FuYe0g+5aPWGtzx44HXeTB45V4bso9v+SIh3cCihY+YY5u0AOmKteGUaW+gsC9Ml/mKE7UgVEFSxc= Received: by 10.142.165.9 with SMTP id n9mr91519wfe.1193926522883; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 07:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.232.7 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 07:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38c19b540711010715p7b33b8dexd28c7770b939f994@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 07:15:22 -0700 From: "Greg Shepherd" To: fecframe@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Subject: [Fecframe] IETF 70, drafts, status, etc.. X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Hello, The protocol team met in Virginia last month and made good progress. There is a follow-up meeting next week to finish some loose bits in preparation for IETF70. Mark will be re-submitting both the framework draft and the requirements draft with some changes as per the Virginia meeting. In addition there will be another draft submission coming before IETF70 - draft-begen-fecframe-sdp-elements - hopefully soon after the proto meeting next week. The WG charter will be changed to reflect the current schedule and to remove the original early submission of the requirements draft as a proposed standard, instead allowing it to remain open in the WG to grow along with what is learned through the protocol specification process. If there are any additional agenda items for IETF70, please send them too me soon. Thanks!, Greg _______________________________________________ Fecframe mailing list Fecframe@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 12 11:48:50 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IrcSw-0003nW-RI; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:48:50 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IrcSv-0003nL-Mh for fecframe@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:48:49 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IrcSv-0007xU-6m for fecframe@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:48:49 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,406,1188802800"; d="scan'208";a="545645103" Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Nov 2007 08:48:28 -0800 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lACGmSoJ025710 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:48:28 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id lACGmHfn023593 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:48:28 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-215.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.169]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:48:24 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:48:25 -0800 Message-ID: <04CAD96D4C5A3D48B1919248A8FE0D5405FDC4E4@xmb-sjc-215.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-begen-fecframe-sdp-elements-00 thread-index: Acgk8x4hLJi6Lbd9SlmN3oPS8fIGBQAV2g+w From: "Ali Begen (abegen)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2007 16:48:24.0139 (UTC) FILETIME=[D71631B0:01C8254B] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1635; t=1194886108; x=1195750108; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=abegen@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Ali=20Begen=20(abegen)=22=20 |Subject:=20FW=3A=20New=20Version=20Notification=20for=20draft-begen-fecf rame-sdp-elements-00=20 |Sender:=20; bh=h8QYRIqi9qO3iCUSkcYYc2tYqEy+Z25KQh48a+qzLoI=; b=BDbxbIeBGCY3Hd61maCSjaHGEmAj7QsnsGkEOjzz1JHadg5YWMcOe4SCKJFeIfgZuwQVM7ZB ScgNLq5GrY1qvxnENEoM64BL632aFPubSxRHgGK7T3IDhZYJriGBaIvS; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=abegen@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b431ad66d60be2d47c7bfeb879db82c Subject: [Fecframe] FW: New Version Notification for draft-begen-fecframe-sdp-elements-00 X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Hi everyone, Following the design team meeting, I submitted a new draft yesterday explaining how a Content Delivery Protocol or FEC scheme could use SDP to configure the FEC Framework. For a background on FEC Framework, a new version of the fecframe draft will be submitted shortly.=20 This SDP draft should be read after the fecframe draft is read. The link: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-begen-fecframe-sdp-elements-00 .txt If there are any questions/comments on the draft, we can discuss on the email list before the December meeting. Thanks, -acbegen =20 -----Original Message----- From: IETF I-D Submission Tool [mailto:idsubmission@ietf.org]=20 Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 10:13 PM To: Ali Begen (abegen) Subject: New Version Notification for draft-begen-fecframe-sdp-elements-00=20 A new version of I-D, draft-begen-fecframe-sdp-elements-00.txt has been successfuly submitted by Ali Begen and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-begen-fecframe-sdp-elements Revision: 00 Title: SDP Elements for FEC Framework Creation_date: 2007-11-11 WG ID: Independent Submission Number_of_pages: 14 Abstract: This document specifies the use of Session Description Protocol (SDP) to describe the parameters required to signal the Forward Error Correction (FEC) Framework Configuration Information between the sender(s) and receiver(s). This document also provides the semantics for grouping multiple source and repair flows together for the applications that simultaneously use multiple instances of the FEC Framework. =20 The IETF Secretariat. _______________________________________________ Fecframe mailing list Fecframe@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 16 21:10:06 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ItD8I-0001OG-1Z; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:10:06 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ItD8E-0001L5-Ua; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:10:02 -0500 Received: from ns1.neustar.com ([2001:503:c779:1a::9c9a:108a]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ItD8D-0002RX-TU; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:10:02 -0500 Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns1.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9579327BC; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:10:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ItD8D-0001KW-LS; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:10:01 -0500 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:10:01 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Scan-Signature: b5d20af10c334b36874c0264b10f59f1 Cc: fecframe@ietf.org Subject: [Fecframe] I-D Action:draft-ietf-fecframe-framework-01.txt X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the FEC Framework Working Group of the IETF. Title : Forward Error Correction (FEC) Framework Author(s) : M. Watson Filename : draft-ietf-fecframe-framework-01.txt Pages : 34 Date : 2007-11-16 This document describes for a framework for using forward error correction (FEC) codes with applications in public and private IP networks to provide protection against packet loss. The framework supports applying Forward Error Correction to arbitrary packet flows over unreliable transport and is primarily intended for real-time, or streaming, media. This framework can be used to define Content Delivery Protocols that provide Forward Error Correction for streaming media delivery or other packet flows. Content Delivery Protocols defined using this framework can support any FEC Scheme (and associated FEC codes) which is compliant with various requirements defined in this document. Thus, Content Delivery Protocols can be defined which are not specific to a particular FEC Scheme and FEC Schemes can be defined which are not specific to a particular Content Delivery Protocol. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-fecframe-framework-01.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-fecframe-framework-01.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. 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X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Do we have any agenda for our meeting on Dec. 3rd? FYI, the SDP draft is also scheduled for a short presentation in MMUSIC WG as well on Dec. 4th. -acbegen=20 _______________________________________________ Fecframe mailing list Fecframe@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe From fecframe-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 26 14:10:19 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IwjLW-0005xd-Vp; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:10:18 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IwjLV-0005pg-0r for fecframe@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:10:17 -0500 Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.162.225]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IwjLR-0000UV-L4 for fecframe@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:10:17 -0500 Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id n1so434775nzf for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:10:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=EYZ5LTTZ77DyqKEUses8qMoxeZVrOqrgsbjc6+ADobE=; b=Etpf5kiekDf5n8QyxYHIjRxnX1aZjdjCQxzEhD35b+5BvNUYUOvOx3+V40C618rxOMU+aNQnMuDcrb7hd8nfI0IJuwkt+kcxtpBs2kG/7MQqyonbukR+PQz8MCT6LSMYEYSMqiGc2ZYX3vWCYTSE67GzfLEBOtEoyUgY/flJK58= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Aw6AcSfEk9iiU5elC2I1bA3QDNjWgLE1FN+YwuUJ/vF6hd+XWGIkse2MT4BCzoALEvP4a2cbx205FaQXfXXOch+Hgbfa8kQSJeI8VKpUPX95Amk6qNuBONmGrr9zR59dCb5voLjpaPcsxE/ghvV9s+BAJ6d1be82FBuJdGo4RxY= Received: by 10.142.110.3 with SMTP id i3mr575035wfc.1196104212206; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:10:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.179.21 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:10:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38c19b540711261110r36cca8dte2f887eafc52d494@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:10:12 -0800 From: "Greg Shepherd" To: "Ali Begen (abegen)" Subject: Re: [Fecframe] Any agenda? In-Reply-To: <04CAD96D4C5A3D48B1919248A8FE0D5406119539@xmb-sjc-215.amer.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <04CAD96D4C5A3D48B1919248A8FE0D5406119539@xmb-sjc-215.amer.cisco.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Cc: fecframe@ietf.org X-BeenThere: fecframe@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of FEC Framework List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: fecframe-bounces@ietf.org On Nov 21, 2007 10:56 AM, Ali Begen (abegen) wrote: > > Do we have any agenda for our meeting on Dec. 3rd? I'll call for items again. Call! :) > FYI, the SDP draft is also scheduled for a short presentation in MMUSIC > WG as well on Dec. 4th. I've asked Mark to cover the framework changes in -01, taken from the proto-team meeting. I'd also like you to present the SDP draft in the FECFrame WG meeting. Anything/anyone else? I'll present proposed changes to the timeline on our charter as well. Thanks, Greg > -acbegen > > _______________________________________________ > Fecframe mailing list > Fecframe@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe > _______________________________________________ Fecframe mailing list Fecframe@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe