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Greetings,

The draft:

http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-fecframe-sdp-elements-04.txt

is ready for WG last call, and we feel it needs proper review from
both the FECFrame WG and MMUSIC. So please accept this message as a WG
last call for the above draft for both WGs.

Since we are quickly wedging against the Holidays let's set the
comment due date out to Jan 8th. I'll send weekly reminders so we all
don't forget.

Thanks!,
Greg

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Yes, we called LC on this earlier but I received feedback that there
just wasn't enough time...

So, let's keep the WG LC open with a comment due date pushed out to
Jan 8th to allow for the Holidays. I'll send weekly reminders to keep
everyone on task. Please read and respond so we can ship and shut. ;-)

Thanks!,
Greg

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On 30 Nov 2009, at 15:35, The IESG wrote:
> The IESG has received a request from the FEC Framework WG (fecframe)  
> to
> consider the following document:
>
> - 'DVB-IPTV Application-Layer Hybrid FEC Protection '
>   <draft-ietf-fecframe-dvb-al-fec-03.txt> as an Informational RFC
>
> The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
> final comments on this action.  Please send substantive comments to  
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I understand, from previous conversations with the author, that the  
aim of this draft is "to explain how one can use IETF specs to  
implement AL-FEC protocol". That's a fine goal, and this draft does a  
reasonable job in providing such an explanation.

However, I believe - as I previously stated in the working group -  
that the relationship between this draft and the DVB AL-FEC  
specification is not clearly defined.  While the abstract is  
reasonably clear on the relationship, the title and introduction  
suggest that this draft is the DVB AL-FEC protocol, rather than being  
implementation guidelines for the DVB AL-FEC protocol. One way to  
address this might be to change the title of the draft to "Guidelines  
for Implementing DVB-IPTV Application-Layer Hybrid FEC Protection",  
and to add a few clarifying sentences to the introduction.

I have no problems with the technical content of the draft.

-- 
Colin Perkins
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Sounds like a good suggestion. We will make the text change after the LC =
ends.

Thanks.
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> On 30 Nov 2009, at 15:35, The IESG wrote:
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>=20
> I understand, from previous conversations with the author, that the
> aim of this draft is "to explain how one can use IETF specs to
> implement AL-FEC protocol". That's a fine goal, and this draft does a
> reasonable job in providing such an explanation.
>=20
> However, I believe - as I previously stated in the working group -
> that the relationship between this draft and the DVB AL-FEC
> specification is not clearly defined.  While the abstract is
> reasonably clear on the relationship, the title and introduction
> suggest that this draft is the DVB AL-FEC protocol, rather than being
> implementation guidelines for the DVB AL-FEC protocol. One way to
> address this might be to change the title of the draft to "Guidelines
> for Implementing DVB-IPTV Application-Layer Hybrid FEC Protection",
> and to add a few clarifying sentences to the introduction.
>=20
> I have no problems with the technical content of the draft.
>=20
> --
> Colin Perkins
> http://csperkins.org/
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	Title           : RTP Payload Format for 1-D Interleaved Parity FEC
	Author(s)       : A. Begen
	Filename        : draft-ietf-fecframe-interleaved-fec-scheme-06.txt
	Pages           : 32
	Date            : 2009-12-15

This document defines a new RTP payload format for the Forward Error
Correction (FEC) that is generated by the 1-D interleaved parity code
from a source media encapsulated in RTP.  The 1-D interleaved parity
code is a systematic code, where a number of repair symbols are
generated from a set of source symbols and sent in a repair flow
separate from the source flow that carries the source symbols.  The
1-D interleaved parity code offers a good protection against bursty
packet losses at a cost of decent complexity.  The new payload format
defined in this document is used (with some exceptions) as a part of
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	Title           : Guidelines for Implementing DVB-IPTV Application-Layer Hybrid FEC Protection
	Author(s)       : A. Begen, T. Stockhammer
	Filename        : draft-ietf-fecframe-dvb-al-fec-04.txt
	Pages           : 11
	Date            : 2009-12-15

The Annex E of the Digital Video Broadcasting (DVB)-IPTV technical
specification defines an optional Application-layer Forward Error
Correction (AL-FEC) protocol to protect the streaming media carried
over RTP transport.  The DVB-IPTV AL-FEC protocol uses two layers for
FEC protection.  The first (base) layer is based on the 1-D
interleaved parity code.  The second (enhancement) layer is based on
the Raptor code.  By offering a layered approach, the DVB-IPTV AL-FEC
protocol offers a good protection against both bursty and random
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	Title           : RTP Payload Format for 1-D Interleaved Parity FEC
	Author(s)       : A. Begen
	Filename        : draft-ietf-fecframe-interleaved-fec-scheme-07.txt
	Pages           : 32
	Date            : 2009-12-21

This document defines a new RTP payload format for the Forward Error
Correction (FEC) that is generated by the 1-D interleaved parity code
from a source media encapsulated in RTP.  The 1-D interleaved parity
code is a systematic code, where a number of repair symbols are
generated from a set of source symbols and sent in a repair flow
separate from the source flow that carries the source symbols.  The
1-D interleaved parity code offers a good protection against bursty
packet losses at a cost of decent complexity.  The new payload format
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