From owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Tue Jun 13 17:33:45 2000 Received: from lukla.Sun.COM (lukla.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA23261; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.146.1.13]) by lukla.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14974; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:31:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v1.7) with ESMTP id OAA22424; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id e5DLUak28249 for frnetmib-dist; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:30:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail3 [129.144.170.5]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e5DLUQ628242 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lukla.Sun.COM (lukla.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.5.31]) by engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v1.7) with ESMTP id OAA13547 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.visualnetworks.com ([208.22.72.41]) by lukla.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA14070 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:30:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from MAILCLUSTER1 by mail.visualnetworks.com via smtpd (for lukla.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) with SMTP; 13 Jun 2000 21:36:59 UT Received: by rock-mail.visualnetworks.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:34:29 -0400 Message-ID: <2D46FF96461CD41195FE00D0B747435C0BEA5A@rock-mail.visualnetworks.com> From: "Rehbehn, Kenneth" To: "'frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com'" Cc: "'narten@raleigh.ibm.com'" , "'nordmark@eng.sun.com'" , "'randy@psg.com'" , "'dperkins@dsperkins.com'" , "'Orly_n@rad.co.il'" , "'gvm@att.com'" , "'fowler@syndesis.com'" , "'amalis@lucent.com'" , "'Andrew G. Malis'" , "'Bert Wijnen'" , "Rehbehn, Kenneth" Subject: (FRNETMIB) draft-ietf-frnetmib-atmiwf-06.txt and draft-ietf-frnetmib-frs-mib -12.txt Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:34:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Precedence: bulk X-Info: [Un]Subscribe to majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Submissions to frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Email archive at ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/frnetmib/ I have posted new drafts to the I-D editor. These drafts reflect changes made in response to further comments received from the IESG review process. The FR/ATM MIB has the most substantial changes. These changes are editorial. To aid in evaluation of the changes I have created a color coded DIFF report that shows, line-by-line, which lines have changed since the last version. This .pdf report as well as the .txt file sent to the I-D editor can be found in: ftp://ftp.visualnetworks.com/Pub/IETF/draft-ietf-frnetmib-frs-mib-12.zip ftp://ftp.visualnetworks.com/Pub/IETF/draft-ietf-frnetmib-atmiwf-06.zip Both MIBs have passed smicng compilation using the latest version of the smicng compiler. The drafts are now ready for the RFC editor. Regards, Ken --------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Rehbehn Phone: +1-301-296-2325 Visual Networks Fax: +1-301-296-2302 2092 Gaither Rd EMail: krehbehn@visualnetworks.com Rockville, MD 20850 http://www.visualnetworks.com X-Info: To unsubscribe, email 'majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com' with X-Info: 'unsubscribe frnetmib' in the body of the message. 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This draft is a work item of the Frame Relay Service MIB Working Group of the IETF. Title : Definitions of Managed Objects for Monitoring and Controlling the Frame Relay/ATM PVC Service Interworking Function Author(s) : K. Rehbehn, O. Nicklass, G. Mouradian Filename : draft-ietf-frnetmib-atmiwf-06.txt Pages : 49 Date : 14-Jun-00 This memo defines a Management Information Base (MIB) to configure, monitor, and control a service interworking function (IWF) for Permanent Virtual Connections (PVC) between Frame Relay and Asynchronous Transfer Mode (ATM) technologies. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-frnetmib-atmiwf-06.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-frnetmib-atmiwf-06.txt". 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This draft is a work item of the Frame Relay Service MIB Working Group of the IETF. Title : Definitions of Managed Objects for Frame Relay Service Author(s) : K. Rehbehn, D. Fowler Filename : draft-ietf-frnetmib-frs-mib-12.txt Pages : 90 Date : 14-Jun-00 This memo defines an extension to the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in TCP/IP-based internets. In particular, it defines objects for managing the frame relay service. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-frnetmib-frs-mib-12.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-frnetmib-frs-mib-12.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. 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From owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Thu Jun 15 08:49:58 2000 Received: from lukla.Sun.COM (lukla.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA29666; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.144.170.5]) by lukla.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA25520; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 06:49:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v1.7) with ESMTP id FAA25224; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id e5FCmW729389 for frnetmib-dist; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail2 [129.146.1.25]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e5FCmQ629382 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lukla.Sun.COM (lukla.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.5.31]) by engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v1.7) with ESMTP id FAA22808 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from satori.is.paradyne.com (services.paradyne.com [135.90.253.90]) by lukla.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA25249 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 06:48:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.eng.paradyne.com ([135.26.1.14]) by satori.is.paradyne.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA1D0F for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:48:25 -0400 Received: from eng.paradyne.com (graysnapper.eng.paradyne.com [135.26.4.16]) by hermes.eng.paradyne.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02186 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3948D098.F7F68AE1@eng.paradyne.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:48:24 -0400 From: Rob Steinberger Organization: Paradyne Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Subject: (FRNETMIB) SLD MIB Issue List and New Draft Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Precedence: bulk X-Info: [Un]Subscribe to majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Submissions to frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Email archive at ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/frnetmib/ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, I have recently updated the SLD MIB to address all issues. The resolutions may still require discussion either in Pittsburgh or on the list (or both); however, there is now a text basis to refer to. Please see the draft at: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-frnetmib-frmrelay-service-01.txt WARNING: This update is a major change to the MIB. For this reason, I commented out the location in experimental. Two items were added as indices to all tables, some items were removed, several items were added and the groups were reworked to make implementation easier. Below is the list of issues. I look forward to discussing each in Pittsburgh; however, all comments issued to the list will continue to be addressed. Rob. +--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ | |Originator| Description | Solution | Status | +--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ | | |Typo in | | | | 1|Orly |section 2.7.1 |Fix as suggested |Resolved in | | |Nicklass |"dive" should | |new draft. | | | |be "divide" | | | +--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ | | |Consistency | | | | | |Problem. | | | | 2|Orly |SmplIndex |Fix as suggested |Resolved in | | |Nicklass | | |new draft. | | | |should be | | | | | |SmplCtrlIdx | | | +--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ | | |No Latency | | | | | |Configuration | | | | | |Variables | | | | | | | | | | | |Ken does not | |Open, but | | | |like the idea |Fix group definitions|groups | | 3|Ken |of having the |such that they are |modified in | | |Rehbehn |variables. |not required. |Draft. | | | |Santa Dasu (as | |(Pittsburgh)| | | |well as the | | | | | |editors) feels | | | | | |they need to | | | | | |be there. | | | +--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ | | |Free the | | | | | |Freerunning | | | | | |Counts: | | | | | |1) Min/Max/Avg | | | | | | have no |We opted for Choice | | | | | meaning over |4. The values are | | | | | time. Should|needed for any | | | | | we remove |application that will| | | | | them? |perform real-time | | | | |2) Should we |polling of the |Open, but | | 4|Ken | remove all |device. In this way,|modified | | |Rehbehn | free running |they values can have |in the MIB. | | | | counters? |meaning and can be |Resolve in | | | |3) Bert Wijnen |controlled by the |Pittsburgh. | | | | suggests |device. The object | | | | | using RFC |frsldPvcCtrlDelayCnt | | | | | 2493 instead.|was added to support | | | | |4) Should we |this. | | | | | just put a | | | | | | period of | | | | | | relevance | | | | | | into the MIB?| | | +--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ | | |Table | | | | | |Fragmentation |This would break all | | | |Ken |Both feel |existing | | | 5|Rehbehn |there is no |implementations and |Open. | | |Santa Dasu|need to have |take away a request |(Pittsburgh)| | | |availability |from other interested| | | | |in a separate |parties. | | | | |table. | | | +--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ | | | |Change the object | | | | | |names and | | | | | |descriptions from | | | | | |Source and | | | | | |Destination Reference| | | | |Bi-directional |Points to Transmit | | | | |flow tracking |and Receive Reference| | | | |and |Points and add the | | | | |abandonment of |reference points as | | | | |the FR DTE MIB |indexes to all | | | | | |tables. Further, | | | | |Must be able |expand the |Open. Change| | | |to track flows |definitions to |in new draft| | 6|Ken |in both |reflect direction and|to be | | |Rehbehn |directions, |location. |discussed in| | | |track NNI | |Pittsburgh. | | | |flows and the |In this way, the | | | | |current |statistics mean | | | | |reference |exactly what they | | | | |point scheme |say. The direction | | | | |does not allow |can be taken into | | | | |for this. |account. The | | | | | |locality of the | | | | | |information can be | | | | | |taken into account. | | | | | | | | | | | |DO NOT abandon FR DTE| | | | | |support. | | +--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ | 7|Ken |Theory of |Will add to next |Resolved in | | |Rehbehn |Operations |draft. |new draft. | +--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ | | |Collection | | | | | |Location | | | | 8|Ken | |Location variables |Resolved in | | |Rehbehn |Why is |removed. |new draft. | | | |location so | | | | | |important? | | | +--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ | | |Distributed | | | | | |confusion | | | | | | |This will also be | | | 9|Ken | |resolved by solution |Resolved in | | |Rehbehn |Location of |to number 6 above. |new draft. | | | |distributed is | | | | | |confusing. | | | +--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ | | |Different | | | | | |collection | | | | | |locations for | | | | | |single | | | | | |CtrlTable row | | | | | | | | | | | |The latency | | | |10|Ken |and data |Remove latency |Resolved in | | |Rehbehn |delivery |location. |new draft. | | | |information | | | | | |have different | | | | | |locations. Why | | | | | |is the | | | | | |location | | | | | |important to | | | | | |delivery? | | | +--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ | | |Explicit | | | | | |descriptions | | | | | |of operation | | | |11|Ken | |No Such Name. |Closed | | |Rehbehn | | | | | | |What to report | | | | | |when object is | | | | | |not supported. | | | +--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ | | |Comments | | | |12|Ken |All comments |Incorporate comments |Resolved in | | |Rehbehn |must be moved |in description |new draft. | | | |into the | | | | | |descriptions. | | | +--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ | | |Octet delivery | | | | | |precision | | | |13|Ken | |Incorporate into next|Resolved in | | |Rehbehn |Use 64 bit |draft. |new draft. | | | |counters for | | | | | |octets. | | | +--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ | | |Multiple |This should be | | |14|Ken |reference |resolved by solution |Open. | | |Rehbehn |pointa w/NNI |to number 6 above. |(Pittsburgh)| +--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ | | | |This was a bug. It | | |15|Santa Dasu|Timestamp for |has been returned to |Resolved in | | | |counters | |new draft. | | | | |TimeTicks | | +--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ | | | |Expand explanation as| | |16|Santa Dasu|Outage times |to why this belongs |Resolved in | | | | |in the NMS |new draft. | | | | |application | | +--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ | | |Delay |No change. This was | | |17|Santa Dasu|Measurement |per request at Oslo |Closed | | | |Units |IETF. | | +--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ | | |Delivery and | | | | | |delay need not |There is the ability | | | | |be done at |to control delay |Open | |18|Santa Dasu|same frequencey |separately and create| | | | |need separate |multiple sample | | | | |table. |tables | | +--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ | | |Clarify | | | |19|Santa Dasu|descriptions |Perform clarification|Resolved in | | | |of statistic |in the next draft. |new draft. | +--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ |20|Bert |Don't import |Remove import |Resolved in | | |Wijnen |BITS | |new draft. | +--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ | | |Use 4-digit | | | |21|Bert |years in |Fix. |Resolved in | | |Wijnen |LAST-UPDATED | |new draft. | | | |and REVISION | | | +--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ X-Info: To unsubscribe, email 'majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com' with X-Info: 'unsubscribe frnetmib' in the body of the message. From owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Thu Jun 15 12:54:01 2000 Received: from lukla.Sun.COM (lukla.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA07788; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.144.134.6]) by lukla.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16946; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:53:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v1.7) with ESMTP id JAA25017; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id e5FGpnK29562 for frnetmib-dist; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail1 [129.146.1.13]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e5FGpf629555 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from venus.Sun.COM (venus.EBay.Sun.COM [129.150.69.5]) by engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v1.7) with ESMTP id JAA06172 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from drawbridge.ascend.com (drawbridge.ascend.com [198.4.92.1]) by venus.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03685 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fw-ext.ascend.com (fw-ext [198.4.92.5]) by drawbridge.ascend.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA02643; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from russet.ascend.com by fw-ext.ascend.com via smtpd (for drawbridge.ascend.com [198.4.92.1]) with SMTP; 15 Jun 2000 16:51:36 UT Received: from porky (porky.ascend.com [192.207.23.83]) by russet.ascend.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA27165; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ascend.com by ascend.com Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000615124657.0297d9e0@alpo.casc.com> X-Sender: amalis@alpo.casc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:51:19 -0400 To: Rob Steinberger From: "Andrew G. Malis" Subject: Re: (FRNETMIB) SLD MIB Issue List and New Draft Cc: frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com In-Reply-To: <3948D098.F7F68AE1@eng.paradyne.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Precedence: bulk X-Info: [Un]Subscribe to majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Submissions to frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Email archive at ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/frnetmib/ Rob, Many thanks for all of the work you put in addressing the issues. It's great to see the effort from both Rob and the people who submitted comments and suggestions - we will end up with a much better product as a result. Due to the extensive nature of the changes, they will be discussed in Pittsburgh, which will be followed by a second WG last call. Cheers, Andy ------- At 6/15/00 08:48 AM -0400, Rob Steinberger wrote: >All, > >I have recently updated the SLD MIB to address all issues. The >resolutions may still require discussion either in Pittsburgh or on >the list (or both); however, there is now a text basis to refer to. > >Please see the draft at: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-frnetmib-frmrelay-service-01.txt > >WARNING: This update is a major change to the MIB. For this reason, I >commented out the location in experimental. Two items were added as >indices to all tables, some items were removed, several items were >added and the groups were reworked to make implementation easier. > >Below is the list of issues. I look forward to discussing each in >Pittsburgh; however, all comments issued to the list will continue to >be addressed. > >Rob. > >+--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ >| |Originator| Description | Solution | Status | >+--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ >| | |Typo in | | | >| 1|Orly |section 2.7.1 |Fix as suggested |Resolved in | >| |Nicklass |"dive" should | |new draft. | >| | |be "divide" | | | >+--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ >| | |Consistency | | | >| | |Problem. | | | >| 2|Orly |SmplIndex |Fix as suggested |Resolved in | >| |Nicklass | | |new draft. | >| | |should be | | | >| | |SmplCtrlIdx | | | >+--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ >| | |No Latency | | | >| | |Configuration | | | >| | |Variables | | | >| | | | | | >| | |Ken does not | |Open, but | >| | |like the idea |Fix group definitions|groups | >| 3|Ken |of having the |such that they are |modified in | >| |Rehbehn |variables. |not required. |Draft. | >| | |Santa Dasu (as | |(Pittsburgh)| >| | |well as the | | | >| | |editors) feels | | | >| | |they need to | | | >| | |be there. | | | >+--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ >| | |Free the | | | >| | |Freerunning | | | >| | |Counts: | | | >| | |1) Min/Max/Avg | | | >| | | have no |We opted for Choice | | >| | | meaning over |4. The values are | | >| | | time. Should|needed for any | | >| | | we remove |application that will| | >| | | them? |perform real-time | | >| | |2) Should we |polling of the |Open, but | >| 4|Ken | remove all |device. In this way,|modified | >| |Rehbehn | free running |they values can have |in the MIB. | >| | | counters? |meaning and can be |Resolve in | >| | |3) Bert Wijnen |controlled by the |Pittsburgh. | >| | | suggests |device. The object | | >| | | using RFC |frsldPvcCtrlDelayCnt | | >| | | 2493 instead.|was added to support | | >| | |4) Should we |this. | | >| | | just put a | | | >| | | period of | | | >| | | relevance | | | >| | | into the MIB?| | | >+--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ >| | |Table | | | >| | |Fragmentation |This would break all | | >| |Ken |Both feel |existing | | >| 5|Rehbehn |there is no |implementations and |Open. | >| |Santa Dasu|need to have |take away a request |(Pittsburgh)| >| | |availability |from other interested| | >| | |in a separate |parties. | | >| | |table. | | | >+--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ >| | | |Change the object | | >| | | |names and | | >| | | |descriptions from | | >| | | |Source and | | >| | | |Destination Reference| | >| | |Bi-directional |Points to Transmit | | >| | |flow tracking |and Receive Reference| | >| | |and |Points and add the | | >| | |abandonment of |reference points as | | >| | |the FR DTE MIB |indexes to all | | >| | | |tables. Further, | | >| | |Must be able |expand the |Open. Change| >| | |to track flows |definitions to |in new draft| >| 6|Ken |in both |reflect direction and|to be | >| |Rehbehn |directions, |location. |discussed in| >| | |track NNI | |Pittsburgh. | >| | |flows and the |In this way, the | | >| | |current |statistics mean | | >| | |reference |exactly what they | | >| | |point scheme |say. The direction | | >| | |does not allow |can be taken into | | >| | |for this. |account. The | | >| | | |locality of the | | >| | | |information can be | | >| | | |taken into account. | | >| | | | | | >| | | |DO NOT abandon FR DTE| | >| | | |support. | | >+--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ >| 7|Ken |Theory of |Will add to next |Resolved in | >| |Rehbehn |Operations |draft. |new draft. | >+--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ >| | |Collection | | | >| | |Location | | | >| 8|Ken | |Location variables |Resolved in | >| |Rehbehn |Why is |removed. |new draft. | >| | |location so | | | >| | |important? | | | >+--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ >| | |Distributed | | | >| | |confusion | | | >| | | |This will also be | | >| 9|Ken | |resolved by solution |Resolved in | >| |Rehbehn |Location of |to number 6 above. |new draft. | >| | |distributed is | | | >| | |confusing. | | | >+--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ >| | |Different | | | >| | |collection | | | >| | |locations for | | | >| | |single | | | >| | |CtrlTable row | | | >| | | | | | >| | |The latency | | | >|10|Ken |and data |Remove latency |Resolved in | >| |Rehbehn |delivery |location. |new draft. | >| | |information | | | >| | |have different | | | >| | |locations. Why | | | >| | |is the | | | >| | |location | | | >| | |important to | | | >| | |delivery? | | | >+--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ >| | |Explicit | | | >| | |descriptions | | | >| | |of operation | | | >|11|Ken | |No Such Name. |Closed | >| |Rehbehn | | | | >| | |What to report | | | >| | |when object is | | | >| | |not supported. | | | >+--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ >| | |Comments | | | >|12|Ken |All comments |Incorporate comments |Resolved in | >| |Rehbehn |must be moved |in description |new draft. | >| | |into the | | | >| | |descriptions. | | | >+--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ >| | |Octet delivery | | | >| | |precision | | | >|13|Ken | |Incorporate into next|Resolved in | >| |Rehbehn |Use 64 bit |draft. |new draft. | >| | |counters for | | | >| | |octets. | | | >+--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ >| | |Multiple |This should be | | >|14|Ken |reference |resolved by solution |Open. | >| |Rehbehn |pointa w/NNI |to number 6 above. |(Pittsburgh)| >+--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ >| | | |This was a bug. It | | >|15|Santa Dasu|Timestamp for |has been returned to |Resolved in | >| | |counters | |new draft. | >| | | |TimeTicks | | >+--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ >| | | |Expand explanation as| | >|16|Santa Dasu|Outage times |to why this belongs |Resolved in | >| | | |in the NMS |new draft. | >| | | |application | | >+--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ >| | |Delay |No change. This was | | >|17|Santa Dasu|Measurement |per request at Oslo |Closed | >| | |Units |IETF. | | >+--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ >| | |Delivery and | | | >| | |delay need not |There is the ability | | >| | |be done at |to control delay |Open | >|18|Santa Dasu|same frequencey |separately and create| | >| | |need separate |multiple sample | | >| | |table. |tables | | >+--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ >| | |Clarify | | | >|19|Santa Dasu|descriptions |Perform clarification|Resolved in | >| | |of statistic |in the next draft. |new draft. | >+--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ >|20|Bert |Don't import |Remove import |Resolved in | >| |Wijnen |BITS | |new draft. | >+--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ >| | |Use 4-digit | | | >|21|Bert |years in |Fix. |Resolved in | >| |Wijnen |LAST-UPDATED | |new draft. | >| | |and REVISION | | | >+--+----------+----------------+---------------------+------------+ >X-Info: To unsubscribe, email 'majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com' with >X-Info: 'unsubscribe frnetmib' in the body of the message. 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From owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Mon Jun 19 08:48:56 2000 Received: from lukla.Sun.COM (lukla.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA02835; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.146.1.13]) by lukla.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA21970; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 06:47:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v1.7) with ESMTP id FAA17463; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id e5JClAJ03553 for frnetmib-dist; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail2 [129.146.1.25]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e5JCl4603546 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from venus.Sun.COM (venus.EBay.Sun.COM [129.150.69.5]) by engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v1.7) with ESMTP id FAA15024 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from satori.is.paradyne.com (services.paradyne.com [135.90.253.90]) by venus.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA23013 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.eng.paradyne.com ([135.26.1.14]) by satori.is.paradyne.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA2780 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:46:57 -0400 Received: from eng.paradyne.com (graysnapper.eng.paradyne.com [135.26.4.16]) by hermes.eng.paradyne.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02942 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <394E1641.B635EC69@eng.paradyne.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:46:57 -0400 From: Rob Steinberger Organization: Paradyne Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Subject: (FRNETMIB) New draft for FR Circuit Interfaces Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Precedence: bulk X-Info: [Un]Subscribe to majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Submissions to frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Email archive at ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/frnetmib/ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, At the last IETF meeting, the RMON working group requested that we provide a draft that allows frame relay circuits to be included into the ifMIB. Attached is a proposed work item for our charter that I would like to discuss in Pittsburgh. It allows ifIndexes to be generated for selected frame relay circuits. http://search.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-steinberger-frsi-00.txt Rob Steinberger Paradyne Networks X-Info: To unsubscribe, email 'majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com' with X-Info: 'unsubscribe frnetmib' in the body of the message. From owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Wed Jun 28 10:24:31 2000 Received: from lukla.Sun.COM (lukla.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA24022; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.144.134.6]) by lukla.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11248; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:23:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v1.7) with ESMTP id HAA11050; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:23:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id e5SEMqe16458 for frnetmib-dist; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:22:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail1 [129.146.1.13]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e5SEMk616451 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from venus.Sun.COM (venus.EBay.Sun.COM [129.150.69.5]) by engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v1.7) with ESMTP id HAA11727 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from viva.vivacenet.com (w005.z208036016.sjc-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.36.16.5]) by venus.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14506 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AMALIS.vivacenet.com [152.148.173.100] by viva.vivacenet.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AA3312302BC; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:22:43 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000628102227.02153eb8@viva.vivacenet.com> X-Sender: Andy.Malis@viva.vivacenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:22:39 -0400 To: frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com From: "Andrew G. Malis" Subject: (FRNETMIB) Pittsburgh agenda, and my new contact info Cc: Andy.Malis@vivacenetworks.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Precedence: bulk X-Info: [Un]Subscribe to majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Submissions to frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Email archive at ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/frnetmib/ FRNETMIBers, Please see my new contact info below. Plus, it's time to put together the Pittsburgh agenda. Please send me requests for an agenda slot. If you think you've already sent me one, it might not be a bad idea to remind me, given the email system switch and all. :-) Thanks much, Andy ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew G. 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From owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Fri Jun 30 07:50:25 2000 Received: from lukla.Sun.COM (lukla.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA14331; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 07:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.146.1.25]) by lukla.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA01007; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 05:49:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v1.7) with ESMTP id EAA05346; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id e5UBlmB20203 for frnetmib-dist; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail3 [129.144.170.5]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e5UBle620196 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from venus.Sun.COM (venus.EBay.Sun.COM [129.150.69.5]) by engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v1.7) with ESMTP id EAA15267 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by venus.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA19596 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:47:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA14272; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 07:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006301147.HAA14272@ietf.org> To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: RFC Editor Cc: Internet Architecture Board Cc: frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com From: The IESG Subject: (FRNETMIB) Protocol Action: Definitions of Managed Objects for Frame Relay Service to Proposed Standard Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 07:47:35 -0400 Sender: owner-frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com Precedence: bulk X-Info: [Un]Subscribe to majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Submissions to frnetmib@sunroof.eng.sun.com X-Info: Email archive at ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/frnetmib/ The IESG has approved the following Internet-Drafts as Proposed Standards: o Definitions of Managed Objects for Frame Relay Service Note that this document replaces RFC1604, published as a Proposed Standard. o Definitions of Managed Objects for Monitoring and Controlling the Frame Relay/ATM PVC Service Interworking Function These documents are the product of the Frame Relay Service MIB Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Erik Nordmark and Thomas Narten. Technical Summary These documents define objects for managing the Frame Relay service, and for managing the service interworking function (IWF) for Permanent Virtual Connections (PVC) between Frame Relay and Asynchronous Transfer Mode (ATM) technologies, respectively. Working Group Summary There was consensus is the WG to advance the documents. A previous version of draft-ietf-frnetmib-frs-mib-09.txt had last call comments. Those were resolved by modifying frs-mib to make it depend on the atmiwf document, and make the atmiwf document depend on frs-mib. Protocol Quality This document has been reviewed for the IESG by Erik Nordmark. Note to the RFC Editor: These two MIBs cross-reference each other, so they will need to be published together, with the references updated by the RFC Editor. X-Info: To unsubscribe, email 'majordomo@sunroof.eng.sun.com' with X-Info: 'unsubscribe frnetmib' in the body of the message.