From nobody Wed Feb 5 06:07:46 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gendispatch@ietf.org Delivered-To: gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4DB612004E; Wed, 5 Feb 2020 06:07:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: alissa@cooperw.in, gendispatch@ietf.org, resnick@episteme.net, gendispatch-chairs@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.116.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <158091166376.12868.6694032233275851309.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2020 06:07:43 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Gendispatch] gendispatch - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 107 X-BeenThere: gendispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: General Area Dispatch List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2020 14:07:44 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Pete Resnick, a Chair of the gendispatch working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: General Area Dispatch Area Name: General Area Session Requester: Pete Resnick Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 50 Conflicts to Avoid: Technology Overlap: artarea genarea cbor ace core lake quic dprive anima opsawg spring tls abcd wpack webtrans txauth tmrid raw mathmesh secdispatch People who must be present: Pete Resnick Alissa Cooper Francesca Palombini Resources Requested: Experimental Room Setup (U-Shape and classroom, subject to availability) Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Thu Feb 27 04:23:11 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2F03A0A90; 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X-BeenThere: gendispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: General Area Dispatch List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 18:04:07 -0000 Seems perfectly reasonable. How much time would you want on the agenda? pr On 27 Feb 2020, at 6:23, Mirja Kuehlewind wrote: > Hi Francesca and Pete, > > Suresh and I are working on a draft to propose a set of tags in RFC as > a replacement for the "updates" tag: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kuehlewind-update-tag-01 > > The question of how to indicate relationships in the metadata for > documents comes up over and over again and many people indicated in > the last discussion that maybe redefining or replacing the "updates" > tag could be a good option (see: “Subject: Proposed IESG Statement > on the use of the “Updates” header” [0]). > > We have introduced this draft already to the stream managers of the > IAB, the IRTF and the Independent streams and Suresh just posted a > note on the rfc-i list to get more community input. I would like > request a presentation slot in gendispatch to crate awareness and > collect more feedback but I suggest to have any on-list discuss on > the rfc-I list. > > Mirja > > > [0] > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/-1u_1-peHKAmUDuLyGAJYu0fPCE/ > > On 16.01.20, 05:35, "ietf on behalf of Pete Resnick" > wrote: > > Greetings, > > As the time quickly approaches for requesting a meeting for the > March > IETF, your gendispatch chairs wonder if there are agenda items for > which > we should schedule a meeting. Please let us know on the > gendispatch list > (the Reply-To on this message is set there) within the next two > weeks if > you have any potential agenda items so we can decide if a meeting > is > necessary. > > Thanks, > > Pete & Francesca -- Pete Resnick https://www.episteme.net/ All connections to the world are tenuous at best From nobody Thu Feb 27 10:04:47 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE6E3A0D94; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 10:04:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FXfh8etHYovp; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 10:04:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from episteme.net (episteme.net [216.169.5.102]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 437CE3A0E6E; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 10:04:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by episteme.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8EDA17A6CA; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 12:04:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from episteme.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (episteme.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G2yXgd3j3dIz; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 12:04:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from [172.16.1.18] (episteme.net [216.169.5.102]) by episteme.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5B12EA17A6C0; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 12:04:33 -0600 (CST) From: "Pete Resnick" To: "Adam Roach" Cc: gendispatch@ietf.org, "IETF discussion list" Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 12:04:33 -0600 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.13.1r5671) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <97866639-e9b5-89b8-ede2-b1abdc79fe5b@nostrum.com> References: <97866639-e9b5-89b8-ede2-b1abdc79fe5b@nostrum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; markup=markdown Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] Agenda items for gendispatch? X-BeenThere: gendispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: General Area Dispatch List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 18:04:37 -0000 I forgot to ask you Adam: How much time did you want on the agenda? pr On 18 Jan 2020, at 16:18, Adam Roach wrote: > On 1/15/20 22:34, Pete Resnick wrote: >> As the time quickly approaches for requesting a meeting for the March >> IETF, your gendispatch chairs wonder if there are agenda items for >> which we should schedule a meeting. Please let us know on the >> gendispatch list (the Reply-To on this message is set there) within >> the next two weeks if you have any potential agenda items so we can >> decide if a meeting is necessary. > > > GENDISPATCH chairs -- > > I'm planning to spin a new version of draft-roach-bis-documents in the > next few weeks, based on the feedback that has been provided so far. 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Thu, 27 Feb 2020 19:37:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dQASTmk8s0Nq; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 19:37:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (bsa2.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 391243A0DFA; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 19:37:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [198.252.137.10] (helo=PSB) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1j7WSm-000NC7-Li; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 22:37:20 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 22:37:13 -0500 From: John C Klensin To: Pete Resnick , Adam Roach cc: gendispatch@ietf.org, IETF discussion list Message-ID: <330A44632BE7ED6CC3287178@PSB> In-Reply-To: References: <97866639-e9b5-89b8-ede2-b1abdc79fe5b@nostrum.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; 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X-BeenThere: gendispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: General Area Dispatch List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 03:37:29 -0000 Adam, Do you plan for the new version of draft-roach-bis-documents to reflect the IESG's (presumably pending) response to my recent appeal? I ask because the interactions between the two might lead to a lively discussion and hence require somewhat more time than a simple presentation of a new iteration on the document would require. best, john --On Thursday, February 27, 2020 12:04 -0600 Pete Resnick wrote: > I forgot to ask you Adam: How much time did you want on the > agenda? > > pr > > On 18 Jan 2020, at 16:18, Adam Roach wrote: > >> On 1/15/20 22:34, Pete Resnick wrote: >>> As the time quickly approaches for requesting a meeting for >>> the March IETF, your gendispatch chairs wonder if there are >>> agenda items for which we should schedule a meeting. Please >>> let us know on the gendispatch list (the Reply-To on this >>> message is set there) within the next two weeks if you have >>> any potential agenda items so we can decide if a meeting is >>> necessary. >> >> >> GENDISPATCH chairs -- >> >> I'm planning to spin a new version of >> draft-roach-bis-documents in the next few weeks, based on >> the feedback that has been provided so far. I think this >> would be a candidate for discussion in GENDISPATCH. >> >> /a From nobody Thu Feb 27 20:41:19 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0833A0F41; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 20:41:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.079 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.079 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G6Gc66lDvKT2; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 20:41:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 681213A0F3A; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 20:41:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.17.121.48] (99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 01S4f0pX075158 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 27 Feb 2020 22:41:01 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1582864862; bh=JK8YLGeS4Fbm/JbTX29B7QoRftbCtfdvAWnn6T0k3vE=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=utmyeY0sNEb/Td8FBKC0EprDzty3g1HwHwc78/+y1qPQy/XOvzOqBqkAP1+qKPGVM o7mmWAwMxR+cpbBJLTlVwjsVM3EhvDsdCF4aDr6iARGNJFRFpmxrIAQ8idqk+G6pda n9rQQwRFSEbWBmfraJQoIH9Psr3FFxLGCpcZvbfg= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host 99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228] claimed to be [172.17.121.48] To: John C Klensin , Pete Resnick Cc: gendispatch@ietf.org, IETF discussion list References: <97866639-e9b5-89b8-ede2-b1abdc79fe5b@nostrum.com> <330A44632BE7ED6CC3287178@PSB> From: Adam Roach Message-ID: <123a6f60-7d9b-f26a-34e8-44c74d0db00d@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 22:40:54 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <330A44632BE7ED6CC3287178@PSB> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] Agenda items for gendispatch? X-BeenThere: gendispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: General Area Dispatch List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 04:41:13 -0000 John -- As I mentioned to the chairs privately, I may well run out of time to rev this document prior to Vancouver. If I do have time to revise it, my plan is to incorporate feedback specifically about the draft that was provided on the ietf@ietf.org list during the six months of its initial validity. I'm not going to comment on any supposed interaction between the document and your appeal until the IESG has reached consensus on a response: doing so would necessarily presuppose an outcome (both in disposition and rationale), which would be presumptuous on my part. /a On 2/27/2020 9:37 PM, John C Klensin wrote: > Adam, > > Do you plan for the new version of draft-roach-bis-documents to > reflect the IESG's (presumably pending) response to my recent > appeal? I ask because the interactions between the two might > lead to a lively discussion and hence require somewhat more time > than a simple presentation of a new iteration on the document > would require. > > best, > john > > > --On Thursday, February 27, 2020 12:04 -0600 Pete Resnick > wrote: > >> I forgot to ask you Adam: How much time did you want on the >> agenda? >> >> pr >> >> On 18 Jan 2020, at 16:18, Adam Roach wrote: >> >>> On 1/15/20 22:34, Pete Resnick wrote: >>>> As the time quickly approaches for requesting a meeting for >>>> the March IETF, your gendispatch chairs wonder if there are >>>> agenda items for which we should schedule a meeting. Please >>>> let us know on the gendispatch list (the Reply-To on this >>>> message is set there) within the next two weeks if you have >>>> any potential agenda items so we can decide if a meeting is >>>> necessary. >>> >>> GENDISPATCH chairs -- >>> >>> I'm planning to spin a new version of >>> draft-roach-bis-documents in the next few weeks, based on >>> the feedback that has been provided so far. I think this >>> would be a candidate for discussion in GENDISPATCH. >>> >>> /a > From nobody Thu Feb 27 22:09:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0943A10E3; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 22:09:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iS5ff0YqCYHy; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 22:09:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (ns.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 584953A10D8; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 22:09:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [198.252.137.10] (helo=PSB) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1j7Ypt-000Nlf-KE; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 01:09:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 01:09:14 -0500 From: John C Klensin To: Adam Roach , Pete Resnick cc: gendispatch@ietf.org, IETF discussion list Message-ID: <54F92D50B607699D65BD6239@PSB> In-Reply-To: <123a6f60-7d9b-f26a-34e8-44c74d0db00d@nostrum.com> References: <97866639-e9b5-89b8-ede2-b1abdc79fe5b@nostrum.com> <330A44632BE7ED6CC3287178@PSB> <123a6f60-7d9b-f26a-34e8-44c74d0db00d@nostrum.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 198.252.137.10 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: john-ietf@jck.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on bsa2.jck.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] Agenda items for gendispatch? X-BeenThere: gendispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: General Area Dispatch List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 06:09:30 -0000 --On Thursday, February 27, 2020 22:40 -0600 Adam Roach wrote: > John -- > > As I mentioned to the chairs privately, I may well run out of > time to rev this document prior to Vancouver. If I do have > time to revise it, my plan is to incorporate feedback > specifically about the draft that was provided on the > ietf@ietf.org list during the six months of its initial > validity. > > I'm not going to comment on any supposed interaction between > the document and your appeal until the IESG has reached > consensus on a response: doing so would necessarily presuppose > an outcome (both in disposition and rationale), which would be > presumptuous on my part. Adam, I was not asking for such a comment before the IESG reaches (and announces) its conclusions. Your providing one would clearly be inappropriate (whether presumptuous or not) and I would not make such a request. However, given that your document was specifically mentioned in the appeal (which does not prove there is any interaction, of course), I was just trying to suggest to Pete that, _if_ the IESG reaches some sort of conclusion and that conclusion were to include either agreement that there is an interaction or that the document action being appealed is about a problem that your document might lead us into more of, it might be wise to block out a bit more time for discussion than might otherwise be the case. best, john From nobody Thu Feb 27 22:11:51 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 015383A10EA; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 22:11:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mWHkdjgvkMs2; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 22:11:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from episteme.net (episteme.net [216.169.5.102]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA4013A10E9; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 22:11:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by episteme.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73BD0A18D6A8; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 00:11:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from episteme.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (episteme.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kKXdN5jbxnau; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 00:11:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from [172.16.1.18] (episteme.net [216.169.5.102]) by episteme.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6BB82A18D69F; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 00:11:40 -0600 (CST) From: "Pete Resnick" To: "John C Klensin" Cc: "Adam Roach" , gendispatch@ietf.org, "IETF discussion list" Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 00:11:39 -0600 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.13.1r5671) Message-ID: <1255A773-3E8F-4F52-9734-AA5CA719C863@episteme.net> In-Reply-To: <54F92D50B607699D65BD6239@PSB> References: <97866639-e9b5-89b8-ede2-b1abdc79fe5b@nostrum.com> <330A44632BE7ED6CC3287178@PSB> <123a6f60-7d9b-f26a-34e8-44c74d0db00d@nostrum.com> <54F92D50B607699D65BD6239@PSB> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] Agenda items for gendispatch? X-BeenThere: gendispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: General Area Dispatch List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 06:11:46 -0000 On 28 Feb 2020, at 0:09, John C Klensin wrote: > I was just trying to suggest to > Pete that, _if_ the IESG reaches some sort of conclusion and > that conclusion were to include either agreement that there is > an interaction or that the document action being appealed is > about a problem that your document might lead us into more of, > it might be wise to block out a bit more time for discussion > than might otherwise be the case. Taken under advisement. Our agenda is still pretty light, so we should have time to spare should this become an issue. pr -- Pete Resnick https://www.episteme.net/ All connections to the world are tenuous at best From nobody Fri Feb 28 14:38:07 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gendispatch@ietf.org Delivered-To: gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DADDC3A1F9A; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 14:35:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: gendispatch@ietf.org, alissa@cooperw.in X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.119.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <158292931687.19931.4581056989537962451@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 14:35:16 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Gendispatch] gendispatch - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 107 X-BeenThere: gendispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: General Area Dispatch List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 22:35:23 -0000 Dear Pete Resnick, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. gendispatch Session 1 (1:00 requested) Thursday, 26 March 2020, Afternoon Session III 1740-1840 Room Name: Georgia B size: 150 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/107/sessions/gendispatch.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: General Area Dispatch Area Name: General Area Session Requester: Pete Resnick Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 50 Conflicts to Avoid: Technology Overlap: genarea artarea cbor ace core lake quic dprive anima opsawg spring tls abcd wpack webtrans txauth tmrid raw mathmesh secdispatch People who must be present: Pete Resnick Alissa Cooper Francesca Palombini Resources Requested: Experimental Room Setup (U-Shape and classroom, subject to availability) Special Requests: ---------------------------------------------------------