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RE: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information Thread-Index: AQHQ5DVQ3Gen44Rs7UKo75+vMBMGYZ4yNoVAgAIVUIA= Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2015 16:16:32 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20150831213752.32696.81837.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79C97665@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79C97665@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.4.150722 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.24.102.210] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <4709E28667F78541A1932BCB4B363A26@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2015 16:16:39 -0000 Good question, Miao. Hackathon registration and participation is independent of the IETF meeting; however, we do make it clear in the registration and at the event that participation in the Hackathon is subject to the IETF Note Well. In addition to this, open source projects have their own governance and rules for contributing to them. These must be adhered to as well when code developed at the Hackathon is contributed into these projects. Cheers, Charles=20 On 9/7/15, 11:41 PM, "ietf on behalf of Miaofuyou (Miao Fuyou)" wrote: > >Does the IETF IPR policy apply to Hackathon, including both >patent/application and copyright? > >My personal understanding is: >1, For the code generated during Hackathon, the code (copyright) belongs >to IETF/Hackathon. For any patent or patent application that may relevant >to the code, the IETF IPR disclosure rule applies. >2, For the base code, such as OpenDaylight, its IPR belongs to the >community/foundation that own/sponsor the projects. The IPR rules is >defined in that community/foundation, rather than binding by IETF IPR >rule. This seems obvious. >3, How about code generated by IETF WG participants, such as a I2RS or >Homenet? That may not relevant to an external open source community, >foundation or project. > >Your thoughts? > >- Miao > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 94all [mailto:94all-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of IETF >>Secretariat >> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 5:38 AM >> To: IETF Announcement List >> Cc: recentattendees@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; 94all@ietf.org; >> hackathon@ietf.org >> Subject: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information >>=20 >> IETF 94 Hackathon >>=20 >> The Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) is holding a Hackathon at >>IETF 94 >> to encourage developers to discuss, collaborate and develop utilities, >>ideas, >> sample code and solutions that show practical implementations of IETF >> standards. >>=20 >> When: Saturday October 31 and Sunday November 1 >> Where: Pacifico Yokohama, Room TBD >> Sponsored By: Cisco DevNet >> Signup for the Hackathon: >> https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf94/hackathonregistration.py >> More information can be found here: >> http://ietf.org/hackathon/94-hackathon.html >> Keep up to date by subscribing to: >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hackathon >>=20 >> The Hackathon is free to attend and open to all. Extend the invitation >>to >> colleagues outside the IETF! >>=20 >> Here=B9s what happened at the Hackathon in Prague at IETF 93: >> Blog: >> https://communities.cisco.com/community/developer/opensource/blog/20 >> 15/08/03 >> Video: >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DemZ-pIJLDlg&feature=3Dyoutu.be >>=20 >> Currently the technologies that will be focused on at the IETF 94 >>Hackathon >> include: >> * DHCP 4o6 >> * I2RS >> * ICE >> * NETVC >> * SFC >>=20 >> Descriptions and information regarding the technologies for the >>hackathon >> are located on the IETF 94 Meeting Wiki: >> https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/94hackathon >>=20 >> Don=B9t see anything that interests you? Feel free to add your preferred >> technology to the list, sign up as its Champion and show up to work on >>it. >> Note: you must login to the wiki to add content. If you do add a new >> technology, we strongly suggest that you send an email to >> hackathon@ietf.org to let others know. You may generate interest in your >> technology, and find other people who want to contribute to it. >>=20 >> Be a Champion! See: http://ietf.org/hackathon/94-hackathon.html >>=20 >> To request a wiki account, please click on the =B3login=B2 button on the >>bottom >> right corner of the page, and choose =B3register.=B2 If you need a new >>password >> please click on the =B3login=B2 button on the bottom right corner of the >>page >> and choose =B3Send new password.=B2 >>=20 >> The IETF is seeking Hackathon sponsors for IETF 95 and beyond. If you >>are >> interested in more information, please contact Drew Dvorshak at >> dvorshak@isoc.org >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 94all mailing list >> 94all@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/94all From nobody Wed Sep 9 10:08:07 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B9B1B31BD; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 10:08:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.165 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.165 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Trwd8IMwY1ZM; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 10:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.painless-security.com (mail.painless-security.com [23.30.188.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 983231ACDC1; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 10:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.painless-security.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F556207E4; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 13:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.painless-security.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.suchdamage.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6kfzpZ4WNx7S; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 13:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (unknown [10.1.10.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "laptop", Issuer "laptop" (not verified)) by mail.painless-security.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 13:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (Postfix, from userid 8042) id 334D4808C0; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 13:07:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Hartman To: "Charles Eckel \(eckelcu\)" References: <20150831213752.32696.81837.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79C97665@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2015 13:07:59 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Charles Eckel's message of "Wed, 9 Sep 2015 16:16:32 +0000") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Cc: "hackathon@ietf.org" , IETF Discussion , "Miaofuyou \(Miao Fuyou\)" Subject: Re: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2015 17:08:04 -0000 >>>>> "Charles" == Charles Eckel (eckelcu) writes: Charles> Good question, Miao. Hackathon registration and Charles> participation is independent of the IETF meeting; however, Charles> we do make it clear in the registration and at the event Charles> that participation in the Hackathon is subject to the IETF Charles> Note Well. In addition to this, open source projects have Charles> their own governance and rules for contributing to Charles> them. These must be adhered to as well when code developed Charles> at the Hackathon is contributed into these projects. My understanding of copyright and the IETF note well is inconsistent with Mr. Fuyou's description though. In particular, typically ownership of the IETF contribution remains with the contributor, although the IETF is granted a rather broad non-exclusive license to the contribution. From nobody Wed Sep 9 12:58:43 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD7D01B4050; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 12:58:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZGauIh3CEEBR; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 12:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.86.72]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 946221B4295; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 12:58:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1138; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1441828721; x=1443038321; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=EDgiygFYg5Xzu6566g9yf89TSgaYXN7uTXadqb/xZ6s=; b=gzI3z94XBfH2a7uq3y60zBjazPvtXPEwL+gvpq+159XSj1+a7Yln4pnk xGV2SnOIAYFnv1pZ6pyKIn827bql0MzrrxXCp9n8GUN17kJX9QeBaY3Ox 3CoZrb+uHAsu8LBHKrZS0pZpghPS6rbxT2WI0Kr3A3cymit6uHNPe2bOS I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0D5AQDajvBV/4cNJK1dDoMVgT0GvSIBDYdwAoFCOBQBAQEBAQEBgQqEJAEBBDo/EAIBCDYQMiUCBA4FiC7KRgEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEZi26FDAeELAWVVgGMeZp3ASaCQoEAPnGHRIEFAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.17,498,1437436800"; d="scan'208";a="31293310" Received: from alln-core-2.cisco.com ([173.36.13.135]) by rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 09 Sep 2015 19:58:40 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-016.cisco.com (xch-rcd-016.cisco.com [173.37.102.26]) by alln-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t89JweMU006071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Sep 2015 19:58:40 GMT Received: from xch-aln-018.cisco.com (173.36.7.28) by XCH-RCD-016.cisco.com (173.37.102.26) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 14:58:39 -0500 Received: from xch-aln-018.cisco.com ([173.36.7.28]) by XCH-ALN-018.cisco.com ([173.36.7.28]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 14:58:39 -0500 From: "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" To: Sam Hartman Thread-Topic: What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information Thread-Index: AQHQ6yIT3Gen44Rs7UKo75+vMBMGYZ40fAUA Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2015 19:58:39 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20150831213752.32696.81837.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79C97665@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.4.150722 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.24.102.210] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <8F6EEAC4BC3C2A4694F20EE218049736@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "hackathon@ietf.org" , IETF Discussion , "Miaofuyou \(Miao Fuyou\)" Subject: Re: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2015 19:58:43 -0000 My original response inadvertently gloss over that point. My understanding is the same as yours, Sam. Cheers, Charles On 9/9/15, 10:07 AM, "Sam Hartman" wrote: >>>>>> "Charles" =3D=3D Charles Eckel (eckelcu) writes: > > Charles> Good question, Miao. Hackathon registration and > Charles> participation is independent of the IETF meeting; however, > Charles> we do make it clear in the registration and at the event > Charles> that participation in the Hackathon is subject to the IETF > Charles> Note Well. In addition to this, open source projects have > Charles> their own governance and rules for contributing to > Charles> them. These must be adhered to as well when code developed > Charles> at the Hackathon is contributed into these projects. > >My understanding of copyright and the IETF note well is inconsistent >with Mr. Fuyou's description though. >In particular, typically ownership of the IETF contribution remains with >the contributor, although the IETF is granted a rather broad >non-exclusive license to >the contribution. From nobody Wed Sep 9 13:52:10 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65AF21B44C1; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 13:52:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tDPMsHXr18kR; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 13:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pa0-x236.google.com (mail-pa0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04E671B44BE; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 13:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by padhy16 with SMTP id hy16so20490036pad.1; Wed, 09 Sep 2015 13:52:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:organization:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ukZFCIj73Pvrg3z1IksExsV9C7TmHEexEyrRV1oImWs=; b=TJdi3PKH0pEHtpeJXk5jHoT3PCli3VedoMVQn9vg3qYZR4YhC47o4V0XS2kiP5+4tP 8bO3/oioZ9E6aQ1/CtadL06er+E0lglSaL2SQEHnEMLwmvZKnOsXPfCD/JrrNfPefzm+ dPI0v7cWlvBQETbUICxmt1OnKAFHzAGr0hHSly/Zlc3PIVBx9udcrSY3hOnJzsZZMLHV OlWvoNOMkJd+YYrSp+N7wf+qV4ZdEUeSYRHp/yLG2Pm7q0N9mhg33G09frN98aESp101 H6ZIaxJUF74kcvWfTOaS/21pWL0gVnWpF65z9pwBfTTxm5SOz4x+XRJyvnQc97Ct2BHh vVQA== X-Received: by 10.68.226.73 with SMTP id rq9mr74273810pbc.60.1441831924725; Wed, 09 Sep 2015 13:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.25] (77.230.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz. [111.69.230.77]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id td5sm7981636pbc.67.2015.09.09.13.52.01 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 09 Sep 2015 13:52:03 -0700 (PDT) To: "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" , Sam Hartman References: <20150831213752.32696.81837.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79C97665@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <55F09BF6.1090101@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 08:52:06 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "Miaofuyou \(Miao Fuyou\)" , IETF Discussion , "hackathon@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2015 20:52:06 -0000 On 10/09/2015 07:58, Charles Eckel (eckelcu) wrote: > My original response inadvertently gloss over that point. My understanding > is the same as yours, Sam. > > Cheers, > Charles > > On 9/9/15, 10:07 AM, "Sam Hartman" wrote: > >>>>>>> "Charles" == Charles Eckel (eckelcu) writes: >> >> Charles> Good question, Miao. Hackathon registration and >> Charles> participation is independent of the IETF meeting; however, >> Charles> we do make it clear in the registration and at the event >> Charles> that participation in the Hackathon is subject to the IETF >> Charles> Note Well. In addition to this, open source projects have >> Charles> their own governance and rules for contributing to >> Charles> them. These must be adhered to as well when code developed >> Charles> at the Hackathon is contributed into these projects. >> >> My understanding of copyright and the IETF note well is inconsistent >> with Mr. Fuyou's description though. >> In particular, typically ownership of the IETF contribution remains with >> the contributor, although the IETF is granted a rather broad >> non-exclusive license to >> the contribution. If somebody wants to provide their hackathon code to the IETF, they could submit an Internet Draft whose body consists of their code, between and . Then it becomes an IETF contribution with a Simplified BSD licence, as I understand the IETF Trust's legal provisions. Brian From nobody Wed Sep 9 14:16:03 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA25B1B4604; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 14:15:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.235 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.235 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bCu5p8lwcxMI; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 14:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.painless-security.com (mail.painless-security.com [23.30.188.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34D041B45F4; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 14:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.painless-security.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136C820696; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 17:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.painless-security.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.suchdamage.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r7c-Zwa0iSUU; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 17:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (c-50-136-30-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [50.136.30.120]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "laptop", Issuer "laptop" (not verified)) by mail.painless-security.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 17:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (Postfix, from userid 8042) id C256D808C0; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 17:15:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Hartman To: Brian E Carpenter References: <20150831213752.32696.81837.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79C97665@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> <55F09BF6.1090101@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2015 17:15:49 -0400 In-Reply-To: <55F09BF6.1090101@gmail.com> (Brian E. Carpenter's message of "Thu, 10 Sep 2015 08:52:06 +1200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Cc: IETF Discussion , "Miaofuyou \(Miao Fuyou\)" , Sam Hartman , "Charles Eckel \(eckelcu\)" , "hackathon@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2015 21:15:59 -0000 >>>>> "Brian" == Brian E Carpenter writes: Brian> If somebody wants to provide their hackathon code to the Brian> IETF, they could submit an Internet Draft whose body consists Brian> of their code, between and . Then it Brian> becomes an IETF contribution with a Simplified BSD licence, Brian> as I understand the IETF Trust's legal provisions. No, I think you're wrong. I think marking something as code has nothing to do with the rights that the IETF gets, it only affects whether the rest of the world can actually use our contributions in open-source contexts. From nobody Wed Sep 9 15:16:06 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62FAA1B49C1; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 15:16:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MI21Dsv3j7r0; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 15:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pa0-x22b.google.com (mail-pa0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A41A1B49C0; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 15:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pacfv12 with SMTP id fv12so22492726pac.2; Wed, 09 Sep 2015 15:16:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:organization:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=QOFAsNd+ncgFbyYsMHD/2Jm7jdZQBb4uh2TtlsYvAhE=; b=rbWVz1/QnyJlhoDiJyYhzIBNqkdYZLlxoeeW5shMRYHM+fDfzw0+07kqezL1NCaI0U GIY0Xq4a0YyZvCUh4yETVnDw704cZ9FvuUhtcCbKNe2bjP9awdtviJTupO/hJgDzGiIJ kwL0IIuyC0YNOljqc/+xb56MrpT0MN6PZH24/gqh4QzuFIe/KiLzKZcBHtTnlhFclnaR DiJGSXqEwq/qYQAGn8Y75b4qcUwjUJBPevRSTccgkwfU3FCFAzaeKpkMfh/oA8lx2S5C UHupJmE+SZYZW5jxKa3H3Jv5rrmrf5OMWocqBvPSFZ0q079s9s2KFL3d0wkEYB5f+v7r ySLQ== X-Received: by 10.66.157.72 with SMTP id wk8mr37362061pab.132.1441836960839; Wed, 09 Sep 2015 15:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.25] (77.230.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz. [111.69.230.77]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id by1sm8137933pab.6.2015.09.09.15.15.57 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 09 Sep 2015 15:15:59 -0700 (PDT) To: Sam Hartman References: <20150831213752.32696.81837.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79C97665@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> <55F09BF6.1090101@gmail.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <55F0AFA2.8040106@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 10:16:02 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "Miaofuyou \(Miao Fuyou\)" , IETF Discussion , "Charles Eckel \(eckelcu\)" , "hackathon@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2015 22:16:02 -0000 On 10/09/2015 09:15, Sam Hartman wrote: >>>>>> "Brian" == Brian E Carpenter writes: > > Brian> If somebody wants to provide their hackathon code to the > Brian> IETF, they could submit an Internet Draft whose body consists > Brian> of their code, between and . Then it > Brian> becomes an IETF contribution with a Simplified BSD licence, > Brian> as I understand the IETF Trust's legal provisions. > > No, I think you're wrong. > I think marking something as code has nothing to do with the rights that > the IETF gets, it only affects whether the rest of the world can > actually use our contributions in open-source contexts. Oh sure: but putting it under Simplified BSD allows the IETF tools team and the Secretariat to use it, just like anyone else. Brian From nobody Wed Sep 9 15:19:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5FE21B443D for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 15:19:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.978 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NDupDo-lRS8s for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 15:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ig0-f174.google.com (mail-ig0-f174.google.com [209.85.213.174]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0730D1B4219 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 15:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by igbni9 with SMTP id ni9so2057663igb.0 for ; Wed, 09 Sep 2015 15:19:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=5wwxebamQZTYTY1JrzkJvFgnFz3zn50N5vkKAM8Ch3U=; b=DNs6rI8SImt3REf6jXnxbOMOQmcGSqt+AtNnqLDA9P3Pwf1rqXVpvFfeApUEG7ryIa tNR6CCZanT3yiS7ztl6QxFdgnbE+uiLOipt6tukU5qzRn9SHGaPCUkXSJnUheUg0LWlJ zuilXtC92wYQh4pCVvLSftgfgykvKcsbrU3D65D1phNPWl60RpUloIssNgm1n0C1t0H1 ueItGZOW/FwrvfRkZ+H0WwPnicRSn6YU9twmULSmO9DdmZRu7YdTBQUmDYeFiF+mrkLw YNTlLSgLg5Hcw/ua7YlOOXDPZ6k0RX0v/KM2OKopl39goB9y4/bEyFIKo+X0DSYZOr9j 498Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl49J9g6HWMsk86+JDxyQgxZd6zG6BGXBLyUJS84/Qlei1QCMZ/NOdy6qA+mUtw86CJVUX7 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.92.99 with SMTP id cl3mr53712537igb.48.1441837186394; Wed, 09 Sep 2015 15:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.107.141.144 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Sep 2015 15:19:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20150831213752.32696.81837.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79C97665@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> <55F09BF6.1090101@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2015 18:19:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: Benson Schliesser To: Sam Hartman Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b10cf2d51c74c051f57e1f8 Archived-At: Cc: "hackathon@ietf.org" , "Charles Eckel \(eckelcu\)" , "Miaofuyou \(Miao Fuyou\)" , Brian E Carpenter , IETF Discussion Subject: Re: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2015 22:19:49 -0000 --047d7b10cf2d51c74c051f57e1f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Sam Hartman wrote: > >>>>> "Brian" == Brian E Carpenter writes: > > Brian> If somebody wants to provide their hackathon code to the > Brian> IETF, they could submit an Internet Draft whose body consists > Brian> of their code, between and . Then it > Brian> becomes an IETF contribution with a Simplified BSD licence, > Brian> as I understand the IETF Trust's legal provisions. > > [...] > I think marking something as code has nothing to do with the rights that > the IETF gets, it only affects whether the rest of the world can > actually use our contributions in open-source contexts. I think that both of you are correct, as quoted above. Of course, please note well that a Contribution to the IETF does not necessarily have to take the form of a document. Thus, I think it is reasonable to question whether code developed during the Hackathon is considered a Contribution to the IETF. I am uncertain whether Hackathon code is inherently Contributed by nature of being developed under the Note Well etc, or whether its Contribution status is optional based on the author's intent. I believe the latter is the case, but that is an open question to be confirmed. I've asked the rest of the IAOC Legal Committee and the IETF's counsel to discuss this question. Even if code developed at a Hackathon is a Contribution (either inherently or optionally), under IETF IPR rules the original author retains ownership rights to the work and thus should be able to contribute it to non-IETF open source projects as long as those projects accept contributions under a compatible license. Likewise, existing "outside" open source code that is used at a Hackathon is not necessarily a Contribution to the IETF unless the IPR owner (e.g. original author) intends for it to be Contributed. Both of these aspects (outgoing and incoming code) need to be described more clearly for the benefit of the Hackathon community, and so I've also asked the IAOC Legal Committee and IETF counsel to discuss this topic as well. We will attempt to provide some additional guidance to the community after we've performed appropriate diligence. -Benson --047d7b10cf2d51c74c051f57e1f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On W= ed, Sep 9, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf@mit.edu>= wrote:
>>>>> "= ;Brian" =3D=3D Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> writes:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Brian> If somebody wants to provide their hackathon code t= o the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Brian> IETF, they could submit an Internet Draft whose bod= y consists
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Brian> of their code, between <CODE BEGINS> and <= CODE ENDS>. Then it
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Brian> becomes an IETF contribution with a Simplified BSD = licence,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Brian> as I understand the IETF Trust's legal provisio= ns.

[...]
I think marking something as code has nothing to do with the rights that =C2=A0the IETF gets, it only affects whether the rest of the world can
=C2=A0actually use our contributions=C2=A0 in open-source contexts.

I think that both of you are correct, as quoted ab= ove.

Of course, please note well that a Contributi= on to the IETF does not necessarily have to take the form of a document. Th= us, I think it is reasonable to question whether code developed during the = Hackathon is considered a Contribution to the IETF. I am uncertain whether = Hackathon code is inherently Contributed by nature of being developed under= the Note Well etc, or whether its Contribution status is optional based on= the author's intent. I believe the latter is the case, but that is an = open question to be confirmed. I've asked the rest of the IAOC Legal Co= mmittee and the IETF's counsel to discuss this question.

=
Even if code developed at a Hackathon is a Contribution (either = inherently or optionally), under IETF IPR rules the original author retains= ownership rights to the work and thus should be able to contribute it to n= on-IETF open source projects as long as those projects accept contributions= under a compatible license. Likewise, existing "outside" open so= urce code that is used at a Hackathon is not necessarily a Contribution to = the IETF unless the IPR owner (e.g. original author) intends for it to be C= ontributed. Both of these aspects (outgoing and incoming code) need to be d= escribed more clearly for the benefit of the Hackathon community, and so I&= #39;ve also asked the IAOC Legal Committee and IETF counsel to discuss this= topic as well.

We will attempt to provide some ad= ditional guidance to the community after we've performed appropriate di= ligence.

-Benson

<= /div> --047d7b10cf2d51c74c051f57e1f8-- From nobody Thu Sep 10 00:20:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A151B4F42; Thu, 10 Sep 2015 00:20:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V7Z_ZzA2LKpi; Thu, 10 Sep 2015 00:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duva.sjd.se (duva.sjd.se [IPv6:2001:9b0:1:1702::100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C534B1B4D13; Thu, 10 Sep 2015 00:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from latte.josefsson.org ([155.4.17.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by duva.sjd.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4) with ESMTP id t8A7Je88027443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 10 Sep 2015 09:19:43 +0200 From: Simon Josefsson To: Brian E Carpenter References: <20150831213752.32696.81837.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79C97665@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> <55F09BF6.1090101@gmail.com> OpenPGP: id=54265E8C; url=http://josefsson.org/54265e8c.txt X-Hashcash: 1:22:150910:eckelcu@cisco.com::E33oIJy2tLBLRmjX:CDQO X-Hashcash: 1:22:150910:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com::78RQRQ80KQRpUekP:4Xf3 X-Hashcash: 1:22:150910:ietf@ietf.org::3Dzt4K26YoxXQM2W:EtIA X-Hashcash: 1:22:150910:hartmans-ietf@mit.edu::snwDlj0bwqsKKowI:BMk4 X-Hashcash: 1:22:150910:hackathon@ietf.org::35kTUwwRvoUbNWDN:UdiY X-Hashcash: 1:22:150910:fuyou.miao@huawei.com::Bmt9bfUoUC580br4:Ncmc Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 09:19:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: <55F09BF6.1090101@gmail.com> (Brian E. Carpenter's message of "Thu, 10 Sep 2015 08:52:06 +1200") Message-ID: <87y4gezqpg.fsf@latte.josefsson.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at duva.sjd.se X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Cc: IETF Discussion , "hackathon@ietf.org" , Sam Hartman , "Charles Eckel \(eckelcu\)" , "Miaofuyou \(Miao Fuyou\)" Subject: Re: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 07:20:36 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brian E Carpenter writes: > On 10/09/2015 07:58, Charles Eckel (eckelcu) wrote: >> My original response inadvertently gloss over that point. My understandi= ng >> is the same as yours, Sam. >>=20 >> Cheers, >> Charles >>=20 >> On 9/9/15, 10:07 AM, "Sam Hartman" wrote: >>=20 >>>>>>>> "Charles" =3D=3D Charles Eckel (eckelcu) write= s: >>> >>> Charles> Good question, Miao. Hackathon registration and >>> Charles> participation is independent of the IETF meeting; however, >>> Charles> we do make it clear in the registration and at the event >>> Charles> that participation in the Hackathon is subject to the IETF >>> Charles> Note Well. In addition to this, open source projects have >>> Charles> their own governance and rules for contributing to >>> Charles> them. These must be adhered to as well when code developed >>> Charles> at the Hackathon is contributed into these projects. >>> >>> My understanding of copyright and the IETF note well is inconsistent >>> with Mr. Fuyou's description though. >>> In particular, typically ownership of the IETF contribution remains with >>> the contributor, although the IETF is granted a rather broad >>> non-exclusive license to >>> the contribution. > > If somebody wants to provide their hackathon code to the IETF, they could > submit an Internet Draft whose body consists of their code, between > and . Then it becomes an IETF contribution with a > Simplified BSD licence, as I understand the IETF Trust's legal provisions. Since ownership of the contribution stays with the author, it is simpler for the author to release the contribution under a suitable license directly. Further, releasing it directly allows the author to place a copyright notice on the work -- something many free software licenses requires to be preserved. If you submit it in an ID, according to the IETF policies, you aren't allowed to add your own copyright notice to it. /Simon --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJV8S8LAAoJEIYLf7sy+BGdJhkH/2COxoYFZPfShb3XwZfKQ7cG ZwyGcl8CBh9NRyCx6rENAu5R2YBT5VmqoGUpybYck2m5GORwTWzCCa9vmmDbI6fO ghXha0bOSkwGDW0XRZDpPlXnATbgiGx7eBIy+Fg6LA1o1RtGumyiHhg1Nk7dZtoT 4JGf3LOoIyL3hDW3CXEpPwdUTrx3neRA9s6SHMme0Gwn+vX/bYcrUGDI0fMWGGuT NO1roj8dkWl3lGRxFIACcgxPOw5z1rja1e49DgJrnHvArXpiDU9WSY3ZrbW8R2rv NxyJthJr7v8HGAAWnMDhJtLZjGZQ6f8SrPKzX7In7mJab6qZKcfJ34BeYSIQ9Ac= =6f+l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Sat Sep 12 00:04:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28D031ACF1D for ; Sat, 12 Sep 2015 00:04:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.579 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.579 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QoNtqrJVh4ns for ; Sat, 12 Sep 2015 00:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jenni2.inet.fi (mta-out1.inet.fi [62.71.2.230]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B4221B5B41 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 2015 00:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from poro.lan (80.220.64.126) by jenni2.inet.fi (8.5.142.08) (authenticated as stenma-47) id 55F268FB000BF442 for hackathon@ietf.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2015 10:04:01 +0300 From: Markus Stenberg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 10:04:00 +0300 To: hackathon@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Archived-At: Subject: [hackathon] Homenet in IETF94 X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 07:04:04 -0000 For the record, I added homenet entry to the topic list on wiki already, = and will champion it in Yokohama. Plenty of things to be done, easiest = ones not even requiring much coding (e.g. bring your own (supported) = OpenWrt router, test it out, and report bugs if any). The list of = =E2=80=99things to do=E2=80=99 is likely to grow before the hackathon = actually occurs :) Cheers, -Markus= From nobody Sun Sep 13 19:10:39 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11DD1B311C; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 19:10:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9QVtYmE_s6JB; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 19:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6BC41B2AF1; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 19:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CBF65832; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 02:10:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML410-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.41) by lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.240) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 03:10:28 +0100 Received: from NKGEML506-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.165]) by nkgeml410-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.41]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 10:10:25 +0800 From: "Miaofuyou (Miao Fuyou)" To: Benson Schliesser , Sam Hartman Thread-Topic: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information Thread-Index: AQHQ602mXGfMAj8POkOrc4dEH4up7547Sxeg Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 02:10:25 +0000 Message-ID: <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79CA31BD@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> References: <20150831213752.32696.81837.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79C97665@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> <55F09BF6.1090101@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.99.111] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79CA31BDnkgeml506mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Cc: "Charles Eckel \(eckelcu\)" , "hackathon@ietf.org" , Brian E Carpenter , IETF Discussion Subject: Re: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? 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X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 13:51:46 -0000 Good stuff Markus. For those not familiar with the wiki, check it out at: https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/94hackathon Its good to get the ideas out there. I=B9d like to encourage other would-be champions to do so as well so that others have time to discover, get interested, and book their travel accordingly. Cheers, Charles On 9/12/15, 12:04 AM, "hackathon on behalf of Markus Stenberg" wrote: >For the record, I added homenet entry to the topic list on wiki already, >and will champion it in Yokohama. Plenty of things to be done, easiest >ones not even requiring much coding (e.g. bring your own (supported) >OpenWrt router, test it out, and report bugs if any). The list of =B9thing= s >to do=B9 is likely to grow before the hackathon actually occurs :) > >Cheers, > >-Markus >_______________________________________________ >hackathon mailing list >hackathon@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hackathon From nobody Mon Sep 14 07:29:48 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171F11B2EAA; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 07:29:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER SECTION, Improper folded header field made up entirely of whitespace (char 20 hex): X-Spam-Report: ...that system for details.\n \n Content previ[...] X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K_ugc4I0kqaA; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 07:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s6.mail.rcig.net (s6.mail.rcig.net [216.87.38.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ADAF81B2E1D; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 07:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-108-18-239-7.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([108.18.239.7]:50923 helo=GTWPC) by s6.mail.rcig.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbUlC-000606-B2; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 09:29:42 -0500 Message-ID: From: "GTW" To: "Miaofuyou \(Miao Fuyou\)" , "Benson Schliesser" , "Sam Hartman" References: <20150831213752.32696.81837.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79C97665@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> <55F09BF6.1090101@gmail.com> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79CA31BD@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79CA31BD@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 10:29:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0843_01D0EED8.3CD87630" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3528.331 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3528.331 X-ACL-Warn: X-The email account used to send this email was: gtw@gtwassociates.com Archived-At: Cc: IETF Discussion , hackathon@ietf.org Subject: Re: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: GTW List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 14:29:46 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0843_01D0EED8.3CD87630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable on the matter of issue of relations between the = =E2=80=9Cformal=E2=80=9D standards community and the =E2=80=9Copen = source=E2=80=9D community , not exactly the issue of this email thread = but close ... I am on an ANSI IPR policy committee = Copyright-in-Software Task Force working on a draft paper that = describes matters an SDO might contemplate when writing a standard that = includes some mandatory use of software ... welcome insight that I might = contribute to the ANSI TF George T. Willingmyre President GTW Associates From: Miaofuyou (Miao Fuyou)=20 Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 10:10 PM To: Benson Schliesser ; Sam Hartman=20 Cc: hackathon@ietf.org ; IETF Discussion=20 Subject: RE: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: = [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information Thanks for bringing this to IAOC, Benson!=20 =20 A particular intricate problem is the potential IPR rule confliction = between IETF and other open source community/foundation, if a project is = brought to Hackathon from that community/foundation. This is especially = problematic for patent, where usually many open sources require free = licensing, contrastively IETF requires disclosure only if one knows.=20 =20 - Miao =20 From: Benson Schliesser [mailto:bensons@queuefull.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 6:20 AM To: Sam Hartman Cc: Brian E Carpenter; IETF Discussion; Miaofuyou (Miao Fuyou); Charles = Eckel (eckelcu); hackathon@ietf.org Subject: Re: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: = [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information =20 On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Sam Hartman = wrote: >>>>> "Brian" =3D=3D Brian E Carpenter = writes: Brian> If somebody wants to provide their hackathon code to the Brian> IETF, they could submit an Internet Draft whose body consists Brian> of their code, between and . Then it Brian> becomes an IETF contribution with a Simplified BSD licence, Brian> as I understand the IETF Trust's legal provisions. [...] I think marking something as code has nothing to do with the rights that the IETF gets, it only affects whether the rest of the world can actually use our contributions in open-source contexts. =20 I think that both of you are correct, as quoted above. =20 Of course, please note well that a Contribution to the IETF does not = necessarily have to take the form of a document. Thus, I think it is = reasonable to question whether code developed during the Hackathon is = considered a Contribution to the IETF. I am uncertain whether Hackathon = code is inherently Contributed by nature of being developed under the = Note Well etc, or whether its Contribution status is optional based on = the author's intent. I believe the latter is the case, but that is an = open question to be confirmed. I've asked the rest of the IAOC Legal = Committee and the IETF's counsel to discuss this question. =20 Even if code developed at a Hackathon is a Contribution (either = inherently or optionally), under IETF IPR rules the original author = retains ownership rights to the work and thus should be able to = contribute it to non-IETF open source projects as long as those projects = accept contributions under a compatible license. Likewise, existing = "outside" open source code that is used at a Hackathon is not = necessarily a Contribution to the IETF unless the IPR owner (e.g. = original author) intends for it to be Contributed. Both of these aspects = (outgoing and incoming code) need to be described more clearly for the = benefit of the Hackathon community, and so I've also asked the IAOC = Legal Committee and IETF counsel to discuss this topic as well. =20 We will attempt to provide some additional guidance to the community = after we've performed appropriate diligence. =20 -Benson =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0843_01D0EED8.3CD87630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
on the matter of  issue of relations between the = =E2=80=9Cformal=E2=80=9D standards=20 community and the  =E2=80=9Copen source=E2=80=9D community , not = exactly the issue of this=20 email thread but close    ...  I am on an  ANSI = IPR=20 policy committee  Copyright-in-Software Task Force   = working on a=20 draft paper that describes  matters an SDO might contemplate when = writing a=20 standard that includes some mandatory use of software ... welcome = insight that I=20 might contribute to the ANSI TF
 
George T.=20 Willingmyre
President GTW Associates
 
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 10:10 PM
To: Benson Schliesser ; Sam = Hartman=20
Subject: RE: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for = Hackathon? RE:=20 [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information
 

Thanks=20 for bringing this to IAOC, Benson!

 

A=20 particular intricate problem is the potential IPR rule confliction = between IETF=20 and other open source community/foundation, if a project is brought to = Hackathon=20 from that community/foundation. This is especially problematic for = patent, where=20 usually many open sources require free licensing, contrastively IETF = requires=20 disclosure only if one knows.

 

-       =20 Miao

 

From: Benson=20 Schliesser [mailto:bensons@queuefull.net]
Sent: Thursday, = September=20 10, 2015 6:20 AM
To: Sam Hartman
Cc: Brian E = Carpenter; IETF=20 Discussion; Miaofuyou (Miao Fuyou); Charles Eckel (eckelcu);=20 hackathon@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [hackathon] What is the IPR = policy for=20 Hackathon? RE: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon=20 Information

 

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 5:15 PM, = Sam Hartman=20 <hartmans-ietf@mit.edu> = wrote:

>>>>> "Brian" = =3D=3D Brian E=20 Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>=20 writes:

    Brian> If somebody wants to provide = their=20 hackathon code to the
    Brian> IETF, they could = submit an=20 Internet Draft whose body consists
    Brian> of = their=20 code, between <CODE BEGINS> and <CODE ENDS>. Then=20 it
    Brian> becomes an IETF contribution with a=20 Simplified BSD licence,
    Brian> as I understand = the IETF=20 Trust's legal provisions.

[...]
I think marking something as = code has=20 nothing to do with the rights that
the IETF gets, it only affects = whether the=20 rest of the world can
actually use our contributions  in = open-source=20 contexts.

 

I think that both of you are = correct, as=20 quoted above.

 

Of course, please note well that = a=20 Contribution to the IETF does not necessarily have to take the form of a = document. Thus, I think it is reasonable to question whether code = developed=20 during the Hackathon is considered a Contribution to the IETF. I am = uncertain=20 whether Hackathon code is inherently Contributed by nature of being = developed=20 under the Note Well etc, or whether its Contribution status is optional = based on=20 the author's intent. I believe the latter is the case, but that is an = open=20 question to be confirmed. I've asked the rest of the IAOC Legal = Committee and=20 the IETF's counsel to discuss this question.

 

Even if code developed at a = Hackathon is a=20 Contribution (either inherently or optionally), under IETF IPR rules the = original author retains ownership rights to the work and thus should be = able to=20 contribute it to non-IETF open source projects as long as those projects = accept=20 contributions under a compatible license. Likewise, existing "outside" = open=20 source code that is used at a Hackathon is not necessarily a = Contribution to the=20 IETF unless the IPR owner (e.g. original author) intends for it to be=20 Contributed. Both of these aspects (outgoing and incoming code) need to = be=20 described more clearly for the benefit of the Hackathon community, and = so I've=20 also asked the IAOC Legal Committee and IETF counsel to discuss this = topic as=20 well.

 

We will attempt to provide some = additional=20 guidance to the community after we've performed appropriate=20 diligence.

 

-Benson

 

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Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: "ietf@ietf.org" , "hackathon@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 17:14:26 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_4FD6EBD2-F4ED-49D9-BF2C-AFE650A2886E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 The question of rights is important for the Hackathon. I have a personal perspective on this, largely from a pragmatic viewpoint. My primary goal is to make it possible for people to hack the things = they want to hack. This means that they should be able to work on Linux kernel and whatever else, without causing issues in their ability to commit code to = the relevant open source projects. And change existing code. And work = together with others inside and outside the IETF Hackathon. To me this says: = respect the rules of the relevant open source project when it comes to code. But code is not everything in the Hackathon. You also have discussions, presentations, and demos. I think it is a reasonable assumption that the usual IETF copyright and IPR rules apply there. For instance, that IETF gets rights to use the slides in proceedings, or that if you convince = your IETF colleagues to work on some cool extension, you should let the IETF and those colleagues know about the IPR you know of=85 Is this an approach that people feel comfortable with? Note: The IAOC and IETF legal team are also working on this topic and = may be saying something as well. This e-mail isn=92t a legal opinion; I just = want to express my view on what kind of a setup works for the participants. And that I think needs to be the starting point. Jari --Apple-Mail=_4FD6EBD2-F4ED-49D9-BF2C-AFE650A2886E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJV/EZsAAoJEM80gCTQU46qUJwP/R5TVkDdbDVMYCpEaX0gbIoA DFXDtvmQFpen5eDvveU30RN4A22EYp6kjRXX9ZPxvuIih+8qvkUhq7w9R6clWTku C8eFYRxn+nq+R4ACa9tBn9Nw51AbchxuVDo0tmFkJir3hZzYKlUfC/upT1rR/ffW xzY5atww29F2BfuZEsYM7+zyLKYm+WXKkL3HP02bOXomgco2ZddFeqSsTm0Mt11m xzGQIq9YbkfPExQZbaNxdvTOslb5+ve/VwBz4hrSlxVCaVVRY1NG1bZD7SsByV4T OR1Myprv070j96UncUU/UzDf9biXYkJXgWsaXePbUIMPoA4sBwxGZXeHW/AFNQGk XCCt53UiBPTZRYpgYdThxg6xkvrEPisdqSNUzuz3CAgWtu7qK9iu1EfUPisKbt+9 cWPam6jiTocipRqYJdgyPwn9VyQceZ8zZEMmb3gn99QURM2k4EEvNsDX1fOmOAMt ws/dWN2UL1/VDgIFALIBxnqnRsV3utYU+k0BYX7UkXNzIvP16/VxaAt1/i2sdd6u wjeuzXvS6hfJycV6cP3FSbyzrRY6A2QTfrAe/aKClwJIv5dTLiLaCWyFDFe7NAry RDdGFo8sRP9jxlf+WqDoScRZRZAPBDUNy5j5ZmO+UucmO/SVQzCg0du1kzSzdOQe znKfwepqUjLQcCkZcPUR =dJfF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_4FD6EBD2-F4ED-49D9-BF2C-AFE650A2886E-- From nobody Fri Sep 18 11:35:43 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0BDA1B317D; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 11:35:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MF77tyVkF1ov; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 11:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-1.cisco.com (alln-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.142.88]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 927041B3167; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 11:35:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2426; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1442601335; x=1443810935; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=C56kTOZnlZf/w7JwhEJSTOROIeZYaV7Ys0fTf0379dw=; b=a6RJAd2EVh1L2mJSgcMlYIa8loTmEoc1d50iViop2fNMBeq8HkvILMKX s2YQaMqv9DXQYlMNJkit9J7aqsZqda/c8c9+jVTrOTHF3OonUgB2HPTrN PAGPashKv1MJuQBEg7frb0Na7gcukA8bmWOLn0klAZWIjx3wbDyTOgFOO E=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0AUAgAaWfxV/49dJa1dgyOBPQa9RwENhDyDNgKBNjgUAQEBAQEBAYEKhCMBAQEEOj8MBAIBCBEEAQEfCQcyFAkIAgQBCQQFCIgmy14BAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEXi3CFDQcGhCYFlWMBjlOVX4NsAR8BAUKCQ4E+cYhogQUBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.17,554,1437436800"; d="scan'208";a="189601880" Received: from rcdn-core-7.cisco.com ([173.37.93.143]) by alln-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 18 Sep 2015 18:35:34 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com (xch-rcd-001.cisco.com [173.37.102.11]) by rcdn-core-7.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t8IIZYsC000347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 Sep 2015 18:35:34 GMT Received: from xch-aln-003.cisco.com (173.36.7.13) by XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com (173.37.102.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:35:33 -0500 Received: from xch-aln-003.cisco.com ([173.36.7.13]) by XCH-ALN-003.cisco.com ([173.36.7.13]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:35:33 -0500 From: "Bernie Volz (volz)" To: Jari Arkko , "Miaofuyou (Miao Fuyou)" Thread-Topic: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information Thread-Index: AQHQ6gGHCH8XYRcXr0eOwTNPu1SM1J5C6rgA///BRdA= Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 18:35:33 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20150831213752.32696.81837.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79C97665@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.98.1.206] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "ietf@ietf.org" , "hackathon@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 18:35:39 -0000 We should encourage 'non-open source' (i.e. commercial software developers)= to participate - participation does not make that code public or gives the= IETF any rights. This should be about testing implementations (regardless of source status) = and making sure that they interoperate and working out issues with drafts a= nd RFC; not about transferring any ownership or other rights. There are som= e past well know events of a similar nature - such as Sun's Connectathons. = Perhaps some of that legal framework exists somewhere? Sure, for discussions, presentations, and demos, the IETF rules can apply (= as they would in any WG sessions or similar). - Bernie=20 -----Original Message----- From: hackathon [mailto:hackathon-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jari Arkko Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 1:14 PM To: Miaofuyou (Miao Fuyou) Cc: ietf@ietf.org; hackathon@ietf.org Subject: Re: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: [94all] = IETF 94 - Hackathon Information The question of rights is important for the Hackathon. I have a personal pe= rspective on this, largely from a pragmatic viewpoint. My primary goal is to make it possible for people to hack the things they w= ant to hack. This means that they should be able to work on Linux kernel an= d whatever else, without causing issues in their ability to commit code to = the relevant open source projects. And change existing code. And work toget= her with others inside and outside the IETF Hackathon. To me this says: res= pect the rules of the relevant open source project when it comes to code. But code is not everything in the Hackathon. You also have discussions, pre= sentations, and demos. I think it is a reasonable assumption that the usual= IETF copyright and IPR rules apply there. For instance, that IETF gets rig= hts to use the slides in proceedings, or that if you convince your IETF col= leagues to work on some cool extension, you should let the IETF and those c= olleagues know about the IPR you know of... Is this an approach that people feel comfortable with? Note: The IAOC and IETF legal team are also working on this topic and may b= e saying something as well. This e-mail isn't a legal opinion; I just want = to express my view on what kind of a setup works for the participants. And that I think needs to be the starting point. Jari From nobody Fri Sep 18 11:53:17 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A88A1B2FB1; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 11:53:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jx_kVD5nnV94; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 11:53:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFBAC1B2FAD; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 11:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938F32CC6B; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 21:52:59 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from jari.arkko@piuha.net) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23BuahRShtuI; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 21:52:58 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2a00:1d50:2::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82662CC5C; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 21:52:57 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from jari.arkko@piuha.net) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_9FEF73E1-3692-4D9A-909C-F4D6A9EC486B"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5.1 From: Jari Arkko In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 11:52:55 -0700 Message-Id: <2365A1DA-2307-4094-B734-9DBC68141A52@piuha.net> References: <20150831213752.32696.81837.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79C97665@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> To: "Bernie Volz (volz)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: "hackathon@ietf.org" , "ietf@ietf.org" , "Miaofuyou \(Miao Fuyou\)" Subject: Re: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 18:53:07 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_9FEF73E1-3692-4D9A-909C-F4D6A9EC486B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > We should encourage 'non-open source' (i.e. commercial software = developers) to participate - participation does not make that code = public or gives the IETF any rights. While the hackathon focus is on open source, I do agree that we = shouldn=92t limit people to participate for, say, interop purposes using = their non-open-source implementations. Jari --Apple-Mail=_9FEF73E1-3692-4D9A-909C-F4D6A9EC486B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJV/F2HAAoJEM80gCTQU46qS7kP/jWWOv5o0DZCb7cMxn0f7ob0 R3oFeSouCvXBYL9/8g07yWKaGJFs6gXc3tQKRsoE2wZ9NBmH6w9BHVvuC/VctY// c/U0QnhfFikaqjW75VpN5XQ7yNMHcTh76vMgaOA7dZUZ8qKBpyM5F8JkdEWKc+p9 R2FUoE7LLyZWrf0OEex/Ktgq8F3D0CJ3vyFIKUT0x4wKgxe+1ELKkgbRrTSXjJR2 PoVjzEQBTELr17qEi5lmlgYvBDCe+/u5IpBS9n+pVca5QwTwGSTeBvNa0eHpEsBM BvSfcGAeuv5n3GDxkqRyQATQr4Bh6+uCTFm1FN3Ltle8R15cSaRrwh+UvVWIJAAL VvaHRixuTxWg0QNlf+2W/8b3mNElhvG+Z06Bx98UqznUnbTfQB7qYF4R899pML9Y t6b7AY/qd4ozqqfF4m0dMa9cFYrkYmX2MpM/+WNvgOaV/+SWVNuGgpAVa04xOMvt 8Foc1WCFsowpWQGuOZgsVZvFW9NiczdOsfX0vsytr4FeS+cmZOh9vqGlMmGm0Nrh UILcgBYmwBpy4LuHDfQBQQXrb+W7Uj0SrWx1Q+DhJod4eQWDpcnWvqUmNfw1tivG O422VtcLUdfeiMZU09YMRuL2xoXbsMxhtrZzUcSbWR52y755SCAEwiQVJgEpw/Ni wNF+MyunMoZz5H03qvdk =PwcZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_9FEF73E1-3692-4D9A-909C-F4D6A9EC486B-- From nobody Fri Sep 18 20:53:53 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CAE31B4856; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 20:53:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pyE2ng3B31bj; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 20:53:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D28E81B485B; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 20:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CBL82963; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 03:53:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nkgeml405-hub.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.36) by lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.218) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 04:53:44 +0100 Received: from NKGEML506-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.165]) by nkgeml405-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.36]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 11:53:39 +0800 From: "Miaofuyou (Miao Fuyou)" To: Jari Arkko Thread-Topic: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information Thread-Index: AQHQ8jWA22uxFv9R0k2Y0b26DIHEmJ5DKDXg Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 03:53:38 +0000 Message-ID: <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79CA7017@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> References: <20150831213752.32696.81837.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79C97665@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.99.111] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Cc: "ietf@ietf.org" , "hackathon@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 03:53:51 -0000 Hi Yari, Thanks for sharing your insight!=20 My comments are in-line.=20 > together with others inside and outside the IETF Hackathon. To me this sa= ys: > respect the rules of the relevant open source project when it comes to co= de. I agree it is a reasonable principle. But I still have a question. IETF is individual based, however, not all open source project/community ar= e individual based. Probably IPR rules of some of them are more adapted to = organization membership, for example, it may require the member to license = the member's patent for free, which match the contributed code by this memb= er's employees. Put such open source project under Hackathon environment, w= ho is the member for the project, IETF or the individual's affiliation? Is = the Hackathon participant qualified to write code on or contribute it, if h= is/her affiliation is not a member of that project/community? etc... Probably we could have a guideline for selection of open source project for= Hackathon, or add some note (complementary to Note Well at Hackathon) to r= emind the project specific IPR rule to participants to make sure they are a= ware of it.=20 > But code is not everything in the Hackathon. You also have discussions, > presentations, and demos. I think it is a reasonable assumption that the > usual IETF copyright and IPR rules apply there. For instance, that IETF g= ets > rights to use the slides in proceedings, or that if you convince your IET= F > colleagues to work on some cool extension, you should let the IETF and > those colleagues know about the IPR you know of... Sure. > Is this an approach that people feel comfortable with? In principle, I like it:-)=20 >=20 > Note: The IAOC and IETF legal team are also working on this topic and may > be saying something as well. This e-mail isn't a legal opinion; I just wa= nt to > express my view on what kind of a setup works for the participants. > And that I think needs to be the starting point. >=20 > Jari From nobody Fri Sep 18 22:09:35 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9801A1B4FA5; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 22:09:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MhPVropZFwMh; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 22:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 333781B4FA4; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 22:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E018F2CD0E; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 08:09:28 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from jari.arkko@piuha.net) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5jXSJoai1UfU; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 08:09:27 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2a00:1d50:2::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683542CC5C; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 08:09:26 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from jari.arkko@piuha.net) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_64678D7D-A8ED-45B0-9480-647DAAD10D34"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5.1 From: Jari Arkko In-Reply-To: <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79CA7017@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 22:09:23 -0700 Message-Id: <0CC702E6-9FAD-4BB2-A399-2F685AEA585F@piuha.net> References: <20150831213752.32696.81837.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79C97665@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79CA7017@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> To: "Miaofuyou (Miao Fuyou)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: "ietf@ietf.org" , "hackathon@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 05:09:33 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_64678D7D-A8ED-45B0-9480-647DAAD10D34 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > I agree it is a reasonable principle. But I still have a question. >=20 > IETF is individual based, however, not all open source = project/community are individual based. Probably IPR rules of some of = them are more adapted to organization membership, for example, it may = require the member to license the member's patent for free, which match = the contributed code by this member's employees. Put such open source = project under Hackathon environment, who is the member for the project, = IETF or the individual's affiliation? Is the Hackathon participant = qualified to write code on or contribute it, if his/her affiliation is = not a member of that project/community? etc... >=20 > Probably we could have a guideline for selection of open source = project for Hackathon, or add some note (complementary to Note Well at = Hackathon) to remind the project specific IPR rule to participants to = make sure they are aware of it. Those are good questions. I don=92t have a ready thought out answer for them. It would seem though that it is easier and probably necessary for an individual to work it out with his or her affiliation whether contribution to a particular open source project is possible, and what it might mean for the organisation. That is certainly how it works in the corporate environments that I am familiar with. Jari --Apple-Mail=_64678D7D-A8ED-45B0-9480-647DAAD10D34 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJV/O4DAAoJEM80gCTQU46qZ2oP/0Wiksp21+y2v84lih5rycW3 JDL2EkPBP9yOifuzDiu/8RWfJiPSqzwy9eoFrL/Q8FX1zM65o4twDYtqsB/FdOrj vezcoO+mK8CJTheA7ixnh9y1GQQ32YeIp0DyLjG6cNWnkiUr2jIeiaQz3uAVhsFu hOmB0LNKSNoefzAZRKTxA/eKOhpoqumkRvS9iPTObmKEja1lgFgSxcjxUqii44Pc aZ4gYQLOWBjhvM2/apjFEA48Q8TC3uwTe4oFl7KIt1wtf36uNxw+pot+6uZ2EAKW Cb5un7W99c25qOPC9fX6ah1LUnxElBAFJwUlwsdRX/SkGKI0gUhlpfE87SdHVpAj 99DbkDwtCKmu3P7BQzM9PV6VfMoK6MDJmone/1p6KfFYZwyxXjURd9rUJkqweEpH wod69CZUHc501d9lDbDot6xVLQ6ccCm5phWtQ+OQXeToSq1oh9HreFndVTKUX4nb cpCL3+VCr9un3c+aW7J3mhJDOqY3XGyk/ItQa23UNaKD2Z9EitzyV21+KZ8Z/YiC fapr1ywAy6N0iOlUx/Dh3GS0kdXSBU++GWp3kclGK6R2yaoACPoxw0UhvuxSJj3J eqLtiO3mAUxHTny34hGMKUOaiKQACviDZ2FzlQWZVDo0T2i9YLwbaGy3TdiCI3MA GcOY+e3etnaxUjSrmXD5 =nr3Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_64678D7D-A8ED-45B0-9480-647DAAD10D34-- From nobody Fri Sep 18 23:37:27 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E44F1B55AA; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:37:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m6MLVRxDsJ9D; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:37:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3D1C1B5578; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BXU36139; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 06:37:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nkgeml405-hub.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.36) by lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.243) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 07:37:20 +0100 Received: from NKGEML506-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.165]) by nkgeml405-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.36]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 14:37:14 +0800 From: "Miaofuyou (Miao Fuyou)" To: Jari Arkko Thread-Topic: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information Thread-Index: AQHQ8plluQVHEFy2/UCEZRS18kdSMZ5DWdgg Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 06:37:13 +0000 Message-ID: <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79CA70D0@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> References: <20150831213752.32696.81837.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79C97665@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79CA7017@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> <0CC702E6-9FAD-4BB2-A399-2F685AEA585F@piuha.net> In-Reply-To: <0CC702E6-9FAD-4BB2-A399-2F685AEA585F@piuha.net> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.99.111] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Cc: "ietf@ietf.org" , "hackathon@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 06:37:26 -0000 Jari,=20 Sure, the individual should figure it out with his/her affiliation, but the= organizers of Hackathon could give some warn/remind in advance, just like = Note Well, to participant.=20 I believe this is more needed than Note Well, considering there are 10+ pro= jects/Hackathon technology for each Hackathon. Also, the projects vary from= a Hackathon to another with different license and membership model.=20 BTW, I wish all Hackathon technology, that is developed within Hackathon wi= thout dependency to external body, would apply IETF IPR and membership rule= . That will be much more convenient to participants.=20 - Miao > -----Original Message----- > From: Jari Arkko [mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net] > Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 1:09 PM > To: Miaofuyou (Miao Fuyou) > Cc: ietf@ietf.org; hackathon@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: [94all= ] > IETF 94 - Hackathon Information >=20 >=20 > > I agree it is a reasonable principle. But I still have a question. > > > > IETF is individual based, however, not all open source project/communit= y > are individual based. Probably IPR rules of some of them are more adapted > to organization membership, for example, it may require the member to > license the member's patent for free, which match the contributed code by > this member's employees. Put such open source project under Hackathon > environment, who is the member for the project, IETF or the individual's > affiliation? Is the Hackathon participant qualified to write code on or > contribute it, if his/her affiliation is not a member of that project/com= munity? > etc... > > > > Probably we could have a guideline for selection of open source project= for > Hackathon, or add some note (complementary to Note Well at Hackathon) > to remind the project specific IPR rule to participants to make sure they= are > aware of it. >=20 > Those are good questions. >=20 > I don't have a ready thought out answer for them. It would seem though > that it is easier and probably necessary for an individual to work it out= with > his or her affiliation whether contribution to a particular open source p= roject > is possible, and what it might mean for the organisation. That is certain= ly > how it works in the corporate environments that I am familiar with. >=20 > Jari From nobody Sat Sep 19 06:48:14 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE8FE1B5D3A; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 06:48:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HcTgNTbdxEcN; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 06:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2a00:1d50:2::130]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56A8A1B5D3C; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 06:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 480082CD0E; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 16:48:08 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from jari.arkko@piuha.net) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wnkJAJsrBrGr; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 16:48:07 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2a00:1d50:2::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09ED2CC5C; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 16:48:06 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from jari.arkko@piuha.net) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F004D70C-C423-4ECC-8451-6FF9D2F22F9A"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5.1 From: Jari Arkko In-Reply-To: <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79CA70D0@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 06:48:04 -0700 Message-Id: <08EE3D4F-0C99-4310-98BE-16E0EEACEDFE@piuha.net> References: <20150831213752.32696.81837.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79C97665@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79CA7017@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> <0CC702E6-9FAD-4BB2-A399-2F685AEA585F@piuha.net> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79CA70D0@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> To: "Miaofuyou (Miao Fuyou)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: "ietf@ietf.org" , "hackathon@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:48:12 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F004D70C-C423-4ECC-8451-6FF9D2F22F9A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Sure, the individual should figure it out with his/her affiliation, = but the organizers of Hackathon could give some warn/remind in advance, = just like Note Well, to participant. This might be useful. Thanks. Jari --Apple-Mail=_F004D70C-C423-4ECC-8451-6FF9D2F22F9A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJV/WeVAAoJEM80gCTQU46qAfoQAJY7cfxlPtTpFtUCHxnT6phR wo0F/WiR2irD6ozb6N+gVCp0c48iwDjcw9XA+dFY4s7kZhiJRfBvvf8c+sEU8Olp LqQFNZBGTWh9bHGdmcwbbmdT8kKhU5M9XdGuXOLlBdQjdSqY3NyhisjGds95hPZh YVIvNM7vmQhZ8FVopxUIoyI61GxiFdPBczVMXhJapOHygiT9jZFw+d9dv/02S9WX +cSX0p5BvENR+v4ClhN7+mHmk5InF9RDNazvZkJNq/oZa20PkyY87M/WtTVSrK3g IJi833SN6yfzzCae12E87XisCUrpIYoere+KTnsfLiDO+8CTj7sgjU6QynLSVIVT k4oovoBvD+62v936G1nm3i+jm3V7L4w+eHgUOss+xdx1wmmam6urQIpvXMIJggTP XRu7e5Tv805lG5/Jj7xxg9lsCnSWb8SRL42d61MpHUcPl4La0eJqprFPOR7UioKY XV18yVHw5WHe8p7peYTFbjLT+i2Y4SqF8uy1tN/ukowg/cCRVSPHVnFEQ8WM23np eQpL45rT/ibrMblaBZZS6Zkfx8DwC1Fu/QBRfQUo/UWjTA+jQOmNzxVoLiKj1en5 P3nn6WwkiaOpKN9NSlccZFmjO/GsgviGPZFKeVY9Ms2mH9FHAns6nYYlgRQDxWoG PtFD4K+6+skhc03ztlKj =w4mM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_F004D70C-C423-4ECC-8451-6FF9D2F22F9A-- From nobody Mon Sep 21 13:54:34 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC761A9027; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 13:54:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3oHmRT167eR8; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 13:54:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-3.cisco.com (alln-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.142.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA1CC1A9025; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 13:54:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=713; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1442868872; x=1444078472; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=2riKCyBefGsoZKMDxEG1kc5KsexSAoKeVew6IZD8s1o=; b=AwidJoux8sp7dXbeyKHNRyOq/QuVm+DH3+650yCbVfp28v+iR6HAPS1J 8oIAqyaBHxvNjC3bsR4zK6RN0qQTxp18zOKpHIxvefQI+RMAPyBq8SZbv Z/ubAW1wc44SuWPB31yXJRsTmI6jKsmxlcoqZ+BtCwhq8NaNtMO8AHYKZ 0=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0BgAgA9bQBW/5hdJa1dgySBPQa9RgENhD6DNgKBOTgUAQEBAQEBAYEKhCQBAQEDATo/EAIBCDYQMiUCBAENBYgmCMtyAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBF4twhQ0HhCwBBJVkAY0GmxkBHwEBQoJDgT5xiGiBBQEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.17,569,1437436800"; d="scan'208";a="189834020" Received: from rcdn-core-1.cisco.com ([173.37.93.152]) by alln-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 21 Sep 2015 20:54:32 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-019.cisco.com (xch-rcd-019.cisco.com [173.37.102.29]) by rcdn-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t8LKsVrN026542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Sep 2015 20:54:31 GMT Received: from xch-aln-018.cisco.com (173.36.7.28) by XCH-RCD-019.cisco.com (173.37.102.29) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 15:54:30 -0500 Received: from xch-aln-018.cisco.com ([173.36.7.28]) by XCH-ALN-018.cisco.com ([173.36.7.28]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 15:54:30 -0500 From: "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" To: Jari Arkko , "Miaofuyou (Miao Fuyou)" Thread-Topic: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information Thread-Index: AQHQ5DVQ3Gen44Rs7UKo75+vMBMGYZ4yNoVAgBC/ywCAALKeAIAAFSqAgAAYi4CAAHhhAIADJnSA Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 20:54:30 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20150831213752.32696.81837.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79C97665@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79CA7017@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> <0CC702E6-9FAD-4BB2-A399-2F685AEA585F@piuha.net> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79CA70D0@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> <08EE3D4F-0C99-4310-98BE-16E0EEACEDFE@piuha.net> In-Reply-To: <08EE3D4F-0C99-4310-98BE-16E0EEACEDFE@piuha.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.5.150821 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.24.79.68] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <47AE24970237E94C84DD53D2C822BE10@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "ietf@ietf.org" , "hackathon@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 20:54:34 -0000 I am thinking that for each technology and proposed project, the champions can call out the relevant open source software projects. While they cannot provide legal advice to others who want to use and/or contribute to it, they can at least make participants aware of it such that they can do their own due diligence. Cheers, Charles On 9/19/15, 6:48 AM, "hackathon on behalf of Jari Arkko" wrote: > >> Sure, the individual should figure it out with his/her affiliation, but >>the organizers of Hackathon could give some warn/remind in advance, just >>like Note Well, to participant. > >This might be useful. Thanks. > >Jari > From nobody Mon Sep 28 08:56:49 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3EF61ACD87; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 08:56:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mRCKjKVbBXQd; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 08:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A801ACD85; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 08:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CAA32CEA0; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 18:56:42 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from jari.arkko@piuha.net) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YXgyIHJ2wlMt; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 18:56:42 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2a00:1d50:2::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE03A2CC6B; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 18:56:41 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from jari.arkko@piuha.net) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_50FDFE74-EC93-4ACB-A772-D7D83FAA9218"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5.1 From: Jari Arkko In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 18:56:39 +0300 Message-Id: <6F8F42CE-48AD-41F1-A7E5-9F9080C65039@piuha.net> References: <20150831213752.32696.81837.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79C97665@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79CA7017@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> <0CC702E6-9FAD-4BB2-A399-2F685AEA585F@piuha.net> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79CA70D0@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> <08EE3D4F-0C99-4310-98BE-16E0EEACEDFE@piuha.net> To: "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" , "Miaofuyou (Miao Fuyou)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: "ietf@ietf.org" , "hackathon@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 15:56:45 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_50FDFE74-EC93-4ACB-A772-D7D83FAA9218 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I have not heard further on this thread, but heard some supportive comments of the overall principle, and some suggestions regarding the details of how the principle is applied. I think that means that we are going ahead with the upcoming and further IETF Hackathons under this principle: You are free to work on any code, and the rules regarding that code are what your organisation or open source project says they are; the code itself is not an IETF contribution. However, discussions, presentations, demos, are the same type of IETF contributions as we make in working groups, so, for instance, the usual IETF copyright or IPR disclosure rules apply. I believe this maximises the ability of everyone to participate. Lets put the above text into the wiki page. I have also asked the IAOC legal committee to draft a more exact definition and determine whether that needs to become a more formal document as well as being listed on the wiki page. Jari > The question of rights is important for the Hackathon. I have a = personal > perspective on this, largely from a pragmatic viewpoint. >=20 > My primary goal is to make it possible for people to hack the things = they want > to hack. This means that they should be able to work on Linux kernel = and > whatever else, without causing issues in their ability to commit code = to the > relevant open source projects. And change existing code. And work = together > with others inside and outside the IETF Hackathon. To me this says: = respect > the rules of the relevant open source project when it comes to > code. >=20 > But code is not everything in the Hackathon. You also have = discussions, > presentations, and demos. I think it is a reasonable assumption that = the > usual IETF copyright and IPR rules apply there. For instance, that = IETF > gets rights to use the slides in proceedings, or that if you convince = your > IETF colleagues to work on some cool extension, you should let the > IETF and those colleagues know about the IPR you know of=85 --Apple-Mail=_50FDFE74-EC93-4ACB-A772-D7D83FAA9218 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJWCWM4AAoJEM80gCTQU46qYSUQAK/NTa+J4LOExTJLbwI17RT/ dfqL+DOv79nU+uwyDgyclCXgIKnYYpBgwDDjzC7FKUkT8bSYH4OcVr7kTYvj/6pO 2wG+i7edifLVii5gvxBC2MyfL20j7jsFzuEjoSjwlqW1LMaQkgz520YHqTPMdb37 lxKUP5PTP+BWSP02GdImt2Cxhf6ebe6/2ycXlWC3bceFWhJdYNej49wFxvSrtlKz /ObvgmDV6AbGsy/JLJtG7RnP9zvASVaTUCcgQeZ7qpxpUr7K9fWROvCplWcE3nsF xw7D/cFNHT773mA4ozO1riSRrnE7gbxSeFlV3e5tQ0NCfdrpyYbEt0Yh8UuI5GDF 3brCBpLs9rlWqjDPG2oMQmxHQ6OFdEuLUiSoScuae5jqpsSESBSuUq1BLApbGfz5 qrkyOgJdIMtB2Nx09bXO7rUlGHdaZy4Uk60kW6hoM/XmpZ9Qgc5OfBJCKIQP5gAm AVkPluSRTzUK8PDkt8Am6iQuLcY4T5vNm0vN+t1+HV/tmCxwKG0wdU4gfhhdY9Sr gjr5QUwB3+ThEzzWm84KeyYVI+micuAbbf6w3KBE9mKU3k2wzVaxE6F92+2THuzn E1L8NK4XK85ygBy7AbU+8gsqMzsSJeFq4xEOEazWXZgyx4lZknNuL2GGBQgYZRfQ JOZtnEpYwgLIjc4i9Gn0 =xuuF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_50FDFE74-EC93-4ACB-A772-D7D83FAA9218-- From nobody Mon Sep 28 11:19:38 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752011B2A9B; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 11:19:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LAunpoWoCxU3; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 11:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.86.79]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5734F1B2A99; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 11:19:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2303; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1443464373; x=1444673973; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=sW52CT8/1MARoqpZZEfHiy1N3AZYnKn2gcgLt0a7ZMI=; b=kucywMAO1Rx8LEOwPxePA0ezDSid8WZyFjgfge16I6jvP4Tn4wb+X9Dq u4JpJvarQoDwVqDRwvz9YiEC9EolqcIBGxhbWDFF43esZ3guGUtWtNHN3 LutPGfOewVDIxNiIbxWeKGoCbAZpepesqlYs7If0lXZIlw/VLIN78Rafc g=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0DvAQCngwlW/5hdJa1egyRUaQa9OAENgXuFeQKBSzgUAQEBAQEBAYEKhCUBAQR5EAIBCEYyJQIEAQ0FiC4Nyz4BAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQETBItwhQ0HhCwFlXABjQ6BT5YDg2wBHwEBQoJDgT5xiByBBQEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.17,604,1437436800"; d="scan'208";a="30850060" Received: from rcdn-core-1.cisco.com ([173.37.93.152]) by rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Sep 2015 18:19:32 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-020.cisco.com (xch-rcd-020.cisco.com [173.37.102.30]) by rcdn-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t8SIJWHX014265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Sep 2015 18:19:32 GMT Received: from xch-aln-018.cisco.com (173.36.7.28) by XCH-RCD-020.cisco.com (173.37.102.30) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 13:19:31 -0500 Received: from xch-aln-018.cisco.com ([173.36.7.28]) by XCH-ALN-018.cisco.com ([173.36.7.28]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 13:19:31 -0500 From: "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" To: Jari Arkko , "Miaofuyou (Miao Fuyou)" Thread-Topic: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information Thread-Index: AQHQ5DVQ3Gen44Rs7UKo75+vMBMGYZ4yNoVAgBC/ywCAALKeAIAAFSqAgAAYi4CAAHhhAIADJnSAgAsidID//7KRAA== Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 18:19:31 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20150831213752.32696.81837.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79C97665@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79CA7017@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> <0CC702E6-9FAD-4BB2-A399-2F685AEA585F@piuha.net> <0ADCB19B1B24A64C8DC0F9AEE06214CE79CA70D0@nkgeml506-mbs.china.huawei.com> <08EE3D4F-0C99-4310-98BE-16E0EEACEDFE@piuha.net> <6F8F42CE-48AD-41F1-A7E5-9F9080C65039@piuha.net> In-Reply-To: <6F8F42CE-48AD-41F1-A7E5-9F9080C65039@piuha.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.5.150821 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.24.115.216] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <10767FDD3231364499AAACB83766C01D@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "ietf@ietf.org" , "hackathon@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [hackathon] What is the IPR policy for Hackathon? RE: [94all] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 18:19:35 -0000 I have added this to the IETF 94 hackathon wiki: https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/94hackathon Cheers, Charles On 9/28/15, 8:56 AM, "Jari Arkko" wrote: >I have not heard further on this thread, but heard some >supportive comments of the overall principle, and >some suggestions regarding the details of how the >principle is applied. > >I think that means that we are going ahead with the >upcoming and further IETF Hackathons under this principle: > >You are free to work on any code, and the rules regarding >that code are what your organisation or open source project >says they are; the code itself is not an IETF contribution. >However, discussions, presentations, demos, are the >same type of IETF contributions as we make in working >groups, so, for instance, the usual IETF copyright or >IPR disclosure rules apply. > >I believe this maximises the ability of everyone to >participate. > >Lets put the above text into the wiki page. I have >also asked the IAOC legal committee to draft a more >exact definition and determine whether that needs >to become a more formal document as well as being >listed on the wiki page. > >Jari > >> The question of rights is important for the Hackathon. I have a personal >> perspective on this, largely from a pragmatic viewpoint. >>=20 >> My primary goal is to make it possible for people to hack the things >>they want >> to hack. This means that they should be able to work on Linux kernel and >> whatever else, without causing issues in their ability to commit code >>to the >> relevant open source projects. And change existing code. And work >>together >> with others inside and outside the IETF Hackathon. To me this says: >>respect >> the rules of the relevant open source project when it comes to >> code. >>=20 >> But code is not everything in the Hackathon. You also have discussions, >> presentations, and demos. I think it is a reasonable assumption that the >> usual IETF copyright and IPR rules apply there. For instance, that IETF >> gets rights to use the slides in proceedings, or that if you convince >>your >> IETF colleagues to work on some cool extension, you should let the >> IETF and those colleagues know about the IPR you know of=8A From nobody Wed Sep 30 13:46:14 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E980F1A8AB9; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 13:46:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.612 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.612 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tTihZj4l1pMY; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 13:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.86.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 003C51A8AB5; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 13:46:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3037; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1443645971; x=1444855571; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=fef95/orTlnoRXl3uTrsaqbs2uN16GXmdKbxp/mmqvw=; b=MNIERvIGCgg6vBl+LvvOlBPJgrebfZLtYAuALhARXuW5HynO3BsSOM3d 9K4rQyztaHQA4B6T9UqZCuaiNOC8TAirT5+BIDRWWSYpem7Kt+FtfQXKN NG4fenk0davs4WsoXZaym4cKYFsB4fe3CywjlZJxuyCtw0aBSffwIyAh4 4=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0AcAgCnSQxW/4YNJK1egyRUbQa9bAENgXEMhS1KAoE5OBQBAQEBAQEBfwuEJQEBBAEBAXYQAgEILQEBAQwKJwsUEQIEDgUUB4gTDbxnjx8BAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEXi3CCZ4FDEQEeMwIFCgkBBYQTBY0DOYg8AYUVhTuCQoFPRoNwkVyDbgEfAQFChAJxAYgzBxcjgQUBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.17,614,1437436800"; d="scan'208";a="33475481" Received: from alln-core-12.cisco.com ([173.36.13.134]) by rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Sep 2015 20:46:09 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-019.cisco.com (xch-aln-019.cisco.com [173.36.7.29]) by alln-core-12.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t8UKk9C3016726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Sep 2015 20:46:09 GMT Received: from xch-aln-018.cisco.com (173.36.7.28) by XCH-ALN-019.cisco.com (173.36.7.29) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 15:46:09 -0500 Received: from xch-aln-018.cisco.com ([173.36.7.28]) by XCH-ALN-018.cisco.com ([173.36.7.28]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 15:46:09 -0500 From: "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" To: "ietf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: IETF 94 - Hackathon Information Thread-Index: AQHQ+8EINnKBYzk/o0i6YFd5iEIsmA== Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 20:46:08 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20150831213752.32696.81837.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20150831213752.32696.81837.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.5.150821 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.24.154.145] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <2AD3C5C10F74C94784B25793898C9888@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "recentattendees@ietf.org" , IETF Agenda , IETF Announcement List , "94all@ietf.org" <94all@ietf.org>, "hackathon@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [hackathon] IETF 94 - Hackathon Information X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 20:46:13 -0000 Just a friendly reminder. The hackathon is only a month away. Registration is open, free, and independent of your registration for IETF 94. If your name is not on the list below, you have not registered for the hackathon. https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf94/hackathonattendance.py?sortkey=3D3= &l ogin=3D%0A Several additional technologies, champions, and projects have been added. More are welcome. See the wiki for the current info: https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/94hackathon The original announcement with additional links follows. Cheers, Charles On 8/31/15, 2:37 PM, "IETF-Announce on behalf of IETF Secretariat" wrote: >IETF 94 Hackathon > >The Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) is holding a Hackathon at IETF >94 to encourage developers to discuss, collaborate and develop utilities, >ideas, sample code and solutions that show practical implementations of >IETF standards. =20 > >When: Saturday October 31 and Sunday November 1 >Where: Pacifico Yokohama, Room TBD >Sponsored By: Cisco DevNet >Signup for the Hackathon: >https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf94/hackathonregistration.py >More information can be found here: >http://ietf.org/hackathon/94-hackathon.html >Keep up to date by subscribing to: >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hackathon > >The Hackathon is free to attend and open to all. Extend the invitation to >colleagues outside the IETF! > >Here=B9s what happened at the Hackathon in Prague at IETF 93: >Blog: =20 >https://communities.cisco.com/community/developer/opensource/blog/2015/08/ >03 >Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DemZ-pIJLDlg&feature=3Dyoutu.be > >Currently the technologies that will be focused on at the IETF 94 >Hackathon include: >* DHCP 4o6 >* I2RS >* ICE >* NETVC >* SFC > >Descriptions and information regarding the technologies for the hackathon >are located on the IETF 94 Meeting Wiki: >https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/94hackathon > >Don=B9t see anything that interests you? Feel free to add your preferred >technology to the list, sign up as its Champion and show up to work on >it. Note: you must login to the wiki to add content. If you do add a new >technology, we strongly suggest that you send an email to >hackathon@ietf.org to let others know. You may generate interest in your >technology, and find other people who want to contribute to it. > >Be a Champion! See: http://ietf.org/hackathon/94-hackathon.html > >To request a wiki account, please click on the =B3login=B2 button on the >bottom right corner of the page, and choose =B3register.=B2 If you need a = new >password please click on the =B3login=B2 button on the bottom right corner= of >the page and choose =B3Send new password.=B2 > >The IETF is seeking Hackathon sponsors for IETF 95 and beyond. If you are >interested in more information, please contact Drew Dvorshak at >dvorshak@isoc.org >