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From: "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" <eckelcu@cisco.com>
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Hi,

I will be championing the following project, along with my colleagues =
(Cc=E2=80=99ed above) who will be attending the hackathon remotely.

MEF EVC Service YANG Models in Unimgr Project of ODL

Champions
Mahesh Jethanandani <mjethanandani at gmail.com>
Project
Continuing from the London hackathon, this project will extend EVC =
services from EPL to EVPL, ELAN and EPLAN services using YANG models, =
and developed on top of OpenDaylight. The project itself will go into =
the ODL code base as an unmanaged project with the next release and will =
be released as a managed project following that.
In addition, it will attempt to integrate these services with Cisco IOS =
XRv devices.
=E2=80=8Bhttps://github.com/donaldh/unimgr/tree/stable-nitrogen =
<https://github.com/donaldh/unimgr/tree/stable-nitrogen>
Checkout the GitHub location for the latest version of the code and see =
you in Montreal.


Cheers.

Mahesh Jethanandani
mjethanandani@gmail.com


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class=3D"">Hi,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I =
will be championing the following project, along with my colleagues =
(Cc=E2=80=99ed above) who will be attending the hackathon =
remotely.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><p =
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orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" =
class=3D""><strong class=3D"">MEF EVC Service YANG Models in Unimgr =
Project of ODL</strong></p><ul style=3D"font-family: Verdana, Arial, =
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rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D""><li class=3D"">Champions<ul class=3D""><li=
 class=3D"">Mahesh Jethanandani &lt;mjethanandani at <a =
href=3D"http://gmail.com" class=3D"">gmail.com</a>&gt;</li></ul></li><li =
class=3D"">Project<ul class=3D""><li class=3D"">Continuing from the =
London hackathon, this project will extend EVC services from EPL to =
EVPL, ELAN and EPLAN services using YANG models, and developed on top of =
OpenDaylight. The project itself will go into the ODL code base as an =
unmanaged project with the next release and will be released as a =
managed project following that.</li><li class=3D"">In addition, it will =
attempt to integrate these services with Cisco IOS XRv devices.</li><li =
class=3D""><a class=3D"ext-link" =
href=3D"https://github.com/donaldh/unimgr/tree/stable-nitrogen" =
style=3D"text-decoration: none; color: rgb(187, 0, 0); border-bottom: =
1px dotted rgb(187, 187, 187);"><span class=3D"icon" style=3D"background: =
url(&quot;../extlink.gif&quot;) left center no-repeat; padding-left: =
15px;">=E2=80=8B</span>https://github.com/donaldh/unimgr/tree/stable-nitro=
gen</a></li></ul></li></ul><p style=3D"font-family: Verdana, Arial, =
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font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: =
rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D"">Checkout the GitHub location for the =
latest version of the code and see you in Montreal.</p><div class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Cheers.</div><div class=3D""><br =
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<div class=3D"">Mahesh Jethanandani</div><div class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:mjethanandani@gmail.com" =
class=3D"">mjethanandani@gmail.com</a></div>

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I'm registered as a remote participant in both the IETF 102 hackathon
and the meeting proper. On many of the items on the agenda:

  https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/agenda-utc

there is a MeetEcho link to the stream, but the hackathon doesn't have a
MeetEcho link. Can this be arranged, at least for the initial kickoff
and the presentations?

We're a small group of 3--4 developers from different companies who will
all sit together in Netnod's Malmö office here in Sweden during the
hackathon and while I believe a lot can be accomplished with just us
talking to each other and synchronizing over XMPP and/or IRC with the
rest of you we would also like to see the presentations, if possible.

-- 
Michael "MC" Cardell Widerkrantz


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Hi,


We'll conduct interoperability testing of DOTS protocol.

This time, the challenge is interoperability testing of data-channel.


*DOTS Interop*

  * Champion(s)
      o Kaname Nishizuka
      o Jon Shallow
      o Liang 'Frank' Xia
  * Project(s)
      o DDoS Open Threat Signaling (DOTS).
          + The aim of DOTS is to develop a standards based approach for the realtime signaling of DDoS related telemetry and threat handling requests and data between elements concerned with DDoS attack detection, classification, traceback, and mitigation.
      o We will test the interoperability between 4 independent implementations:
          + in addition to signal-channel (CoAP over DTLS), we proceed to interoperability testing of data-channel (RESTCONF) of DOT protocol.
          + ​https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-20
          + ​https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-16


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    <p>Hi,</p>
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    <p>We'll conduct interoperability testing of DOTS protocol.</p>
    <p>This time, the challenge is interoperability testing of
      data-channel.<br>
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      <li>Champion(s)
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          <li>Jon Shallow</li>
          <li>Liang 'Frank' Xia</li>
        </ul>
      </li>
      <li>Project(s)
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          <li>DDoS Open Threat Signaling (DOTS).
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              <li>The aim of DOTS is to develop a standards based
                approach for the realtime signaling of DDoS related
                telemetry and threat handling requests and data between
                elements concerned with DDoS attack detection,
                classification, traceback, and mitigation.</li>
            </ul>
          </li>
          <li>We will test the interoperability between 4 independent
            implementations:
            <ul>
              <li>in addition to signal-channel (CoAP over DTLS), we
                proceed to interoperability testing of data-channel
                (RESTCONF) of DOT protocol.</li>
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Hackathon Team,

 

I have registered to participate on the upcoming IEF 102 Hackathon. 

 

However, I would like to know more on the remote participation.

 

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On 2018-07-07 08:11, dominique.barthel@orange.com wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> At the coming hackathon, we'll carry on with our effort to provide an 
> open-source reference code for the CoAP/UDP/IPv6 compression and 
> fragmentation (see the specs at ​ 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lpwan-ipv6-static-context-hc/ and 
> ​https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lpwan-coap-static-context-hc/)
> 
> More specifically, at this Hackathon, the goal is to integrate the 
> compression and fragmentation codes which are currently separate: ​ 
> https://github.com/ltn22/SCHC and ​https://github.com/tanupoo/schc-test
> 
> We will live LoRaWAN connectivity (Sigfox is TBC).
> If you feel interested, please join us!
> Newcomers are always welcome. We will have a few spare Pycom boards (​ 
> https://pycom.io/), we'll set you up so that you can get started with 
> the technology and the code base.
> Best regards
> 
> Dominique
> 
> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/102hackathon
> 

I'm championing another hackathon event so I will probably not be able 
to join you, but I'm very interested in any efforts to transport CoAP 
over LoRa. Are you perchance looking into this?

/Ludwig

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If anyone going to the hackathon has an ssd m2 external enclosure, please le=
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f a mount + chroot()  rescue.
(Or if you know why a thinkpad carbon x1 is   refusing to see any USB boot m=
edium , I=E2=80=99m also interested)

Paul

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Hell all,

In anticipation of tomorrow's Hackathon on CoMI, please find the steps =
of preparation and the things we will be doing tomorrow and on Sunday :

https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/comi =
<https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/comi>

We will be combining work from F-Interop, CoAP, CBOR, and YDK, so that =
one is going to be really interesting. Drop by if you have expertise and =
even if you don't participate directly, if you are able to share some of =
your wisdom.

See you tomorrow,
Alexander




> On 6 Jul 2018, at 11:03, Alexander Pelov <a@ackl.io> wrote:
>=20
> Dear all,
>=20
> The way to use YANG for IoT - CoMI - has been stable for some time and =
the missing piece as always has been.. running OPEN-SOURCE code!
>=20
> Montreal is the place to change that! Join us at the Hackathon in the =
first structured effort to provide an open-source implementation of a =
CoMI server and CoMI client.
> I personally will be coding in Python, but in case other folks want to =
use something else - that's even better.
>=20
> See you on the Hackathon!
> Alexander
>=20
> PS.
> If people knowledgable in YDK want to join, that would be really =
perfect!
>=20
>=20
> The description is here:
> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/102hackathon
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">Hell all,</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">In anticipation of tomorrow's Hackathon on CoMI, please find =
the steps of preparation and the things we will be doing tomorrow and on =
Sunday :</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><a =
href=3D"https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/comi" =
class=3D"">https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/comi</a><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">We will be combining work from =
F-Interop, CoAP, CBOR, and YDK, so that one is going to be really =
interesting. Drop by if you have expertise and even if you don't =
participate directly, if you are able to share some of your =
wisdom.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">See =
you tomorrow,</div><div class=3D"">Alexander</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
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class=3D"">On 6 Jul 2018, at 11:03, Alexander Pelov &lt;<a =
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class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">Dear =
all,<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">The way to use YANG for IoT - CoMI - =
has been stable for some time and the missing piece as always has been.. =
running OPEN-SOURCE code!<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Montreal is the =
place to change that! Join us at the Hackathon in the first structured =
effort to provide an open-source implementation of a CoMI server and =
CoMI client.<br class=3D"">I personally will be coding in Python, but in =
case other folks want to use something else - that's even better.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">See you on the Hackathon!<br =
class=3D"">Alexander<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">PS.<br class=3D"">If =
people knowledgable in YDK want to join, that would be really =
perfect!<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">The description is =
here:<br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/102hackathon" =
class=3D"">https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/102hackathon</a><b=
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Hi,

I have added a new YANG/NETCONF project to the wiki. I will be working=20
on an alternative southbound interface to flow enabled network bridges=20
(conceptually identical to OpenFlow but with YANG model and using NETCONF=
).

The idea was earlier posted on the opendaylight-users mailing-list=20
https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/opendaylight-users/2018-June/000=
845.html

The project consists of 3 tasks:

1. Design and publish draft with YANG model of a flow enabled network=20
bridge.

2. Device (server) side model implementation - loadable module for some=20
of the available opensource=C2=A0 NETCONF servers implementing the model =
for=20
a OpenFlow device as a proxy controller with a single node.

3. Controller (client) side=C2=A0 plug-in implementation - yangflowplugin=
 for=20
ODL interacting with NETCONF mounted nodes implementing the YANG model=20
that ideally can coexist with openflowplugin.

Anyone with feedback or interest to contribute is welcome. See you tomorr=
ow.

Vladimir



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Hi all,

Members of the Oblivious DNS team (https://odns.cs.princeton.edu/), =
myself and Allison, will be at the hackathon. =20

We will be working on a topic related to:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-annee-dprive-oblivious-dns/

We have a prototype implementation of the above in Go; we can share the =
github (currently private) with anyone who is interested.

We would like to have an implementation in Knot. If there are any Knot =
DNS folks who would like to help us out, please come find our table!

Best,
-Nick and Allison=


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We are currently setting up everything for the WISHI Hackathon (see [1] and=
 [2]) at the IETF 102.

More details, including remote participation, are being updated to the hack=
athon coordination page:
https://github.com/t2trg/wishi/wiki/IETF-102-Hackathon


Cheers,
Ari

[1] http://wishi.space/
[2] https://github.com/t2trg/wishi/blob/master/slides/WISHI-Hackathon-June1=
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Having football matches on the screen is really a bad idea. It's
distracting to have bright colors flashing. IMHO, it should be
removed.


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Hello, 

We're four people from different companies sitting in the Netnod office
in Malmö, Sweden. We're going to focus on NTS and trying to do something
in Go.

We're going to focus on the dansarie draft, trying to get an NTS-KE
client/server going and, if we can find the time, add NTS support to the 
github.com/beevik/ntp SNTP package.

We just saw the hackathon kickoff over Meetecho.

At least two of us are in the hackathon@jabber.ietf.org MUC. Where is
everyone?

I created ##nts on the FreeNode IRC network.

-- 
Michael "MC" Cardell Widerkrantz


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Hi,

I'd like to remotely participate on one of the YANG projects this weekend-
how can I help out with the yangcatalog?

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> Having football matches on the screen is really a bad idea. It's
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Disagree.<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
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The match is over, so we can just turn it off now...

On 14.07.2018 17:54, Tobias Fiebig wrote:
> I think we should vote on this. Set something up: menti.com, code 57 91 56
> 
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> Disagree.
> 
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 10:01 AM Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer+ietf@nic.fr> wrote:
> Having football matches on the screen is really a bad idea. It's
> distracting to have bright colors flashing. IMHO, it should be
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The idea was to do the same thing for the finals tomorrow. So doing the vot=
e for that might be a good idea.

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>=20
> The match is over, so we can just turn it off now...
>=20
> On 14.07.2018 17:54, Tobias Fiebig wrote:
> > I think we should vote on this. Set something up: menti.com, code 57 91=
 56
> >
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> The match is over, so we can just turn it off now...

Unfortunately, there is another one tomorrow :-(


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Can people who don=E2=80=99t want to see it just sit with their backs to =
the screen?

I=E2=80=99m doing exactly that and finding that I=E2=80=99m not at all =
distracted by the match.

The chandelier here at the back of the room, on the other hand, is =
blinding=E2=80=A6


> On Jul 14, 2018, at 11:57 AM, Tobias Fiebig <T.Fiebig@tudelft.nl> =
wrote:
>=20
> The idea was to do the same thing for the finals tomorrow. So doing =
the vote for that might be a good idea.
>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: hackathon [mailto:hackathon-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of =
Witold
>> Krecicki
>> Sent: 14 July, 2018 11:56 AM
>> To: hackathon@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [hackathon] Things moving on the big screen
>>=20
>> The match is over, so we can just turn it off now...
>>=20
>> On 14.07.2018 17:54, Tobias Fiebig wrote:
>>> I think we should vote on this. Set something up: menti.com, code 57 =
91 56
>>>=20
>>> From: hackathon [mailto:hackathon-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>> Joseph Lorenzo Hall
>>> Sent: 14 July, 2018 11:35 AM
>>> To: Stephane Bortzmeyer
>>> Cc: hackathon@ietf.org
>>> Subject: Re: [hackathon] Things moving on the big screen
>>>=20
>>> Disagree.
>>>=20
>>> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 10:01 AM Stephane Bortzmeyer
>> <bortzmeyer+ietf@nic.fr> wrote:
>>> Having football matches on the screen is really a bad idea. It's
>>> distracting to have bright colors flashing. IMHO, it should be
>>> removed.
>>>=20
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> hackathon mailing list
>>> hackathon@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hackathon
>>>=20
>>>=20
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I want to watch the commentators silently discussing the deep philosophical
implications of the match, complete with instant replay.   They look so
serious=E2=80=94it must be important!

On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 11:57 AM, Tobias Fiebig <T.Fiebig@tudelft.nl> wrote=
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> The idea was to do the same thing for the finals tomorrow. So doing the
> vote for that might be a good idea.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: hackathon [mailto:hackathon-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Witold
> > Krecicki
> > Sent: 14 July, 2018 11:56 AM
> > To: hackathon@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [hackathon] Things moving on the big screen
> >
> > The match is over, so we can just turn it off now...
> >
> > On 14.07.2018 17:54, Tobias Fiebig wrote:
> > > I think we should vote on this. Set something up: menti.com, code 57
> 91 56
> > >
> > > From: hackathon [mailto:hackathon-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> > Joseph Lorenzo Hall
> > > Sent: 14 July, 2018 11:35 AM
> > > To: Stephane Bortzmeyer
> > > Cc: hackathon@ietf.org
> > > Subject: Re: [hackathon] Things moving on the big screen
> > >
> > > Disagree.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 10:01 AM Stephane Bortzmeyer
> > <bortzmeyer+ietf@nic.fr> wrote:
> > > Having football matches on the screen is really a bad idea. It's
> > > distracting to have bright colors flashing. IMHO, it should be
> > > removed.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I want to watch the commentators silently discussing the d=
eep philosophical implications of the match, complete with instant replay.=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0They look so serious=E2=80=94it must be important!</div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at=
 11:57 AM, Tobias Fiebig <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:T.Fiebig@t=
udelft.nl" target=3D"_blank">T.Fiebig@tudelft.nl</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">The idea was to do the same thing for the fin=
als tomorrow. So doing the vote for that might be a good idea.<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: hackathon [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:hackathon-bounces@ietf.org">=
hackathon-bounces@<wbr>ietf.org</a>] On Behalf Of Witold<br>
&gt; Krecicki<br>
&gt; Sent: 14 July, 2018 11:56 AM<br>
&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:hackathon@ietf.org">hackathon@ietf.org</a><br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [hackathon] Things moving on the big screen<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The match is over, so we can just turn it off now...<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On 14.07.2018 17:54, Tobias Fiebig wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; I think we should vote on this. Set something up: <a href=3D"http=
://menti.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">menti.com</a>, code 57 9=
1 56<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; From: hackathon [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:hackathon-bounces@ietf.=
org">hackathon-bounces@<wbr>ietf.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br>
&gt; Joseph Lorenzo Hall<br>
&gt; &gt; Sent: 14 July, 2018 11:35 AM<br>
&gt; &gt; To: Stephane Bortzmeyer<br>
&gt; &gt; Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:hackathon@ietf.org">hackathon@ietf.org</a><=
br>
&gt; &gt; Subject: Re: [hackathon] Things moving on the big screen<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Disagree.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 10:01 AM Stephane Bortzmeyer<br>
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bortzmeyer%2Bietf@nic.fr">bortzmeyer+ietf@nic.fr=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; Having football matches on the screen is really a bad idea. It&#3=
9;s<br>
&gt; &gt; distracting to have bright colors flashing. IMHO, it should be<br=
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Yes, the lighting in this room is really creatively bad.   There are lights
shining in my face no matter where I look.

On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 12:00 PM, Philip Prindeville <
philipp@redfish-solutions.com> wrote:

> Can people who don=E2=80=99t want to see it just sit with their backs to =
the
> screen?
>
> I=E2=80=99m doing exactly that and finding that I=E2=80=99m not at all di=
stracted by the
> match.
>
> The chandelier here at the back of the room, on the other hand, is
> blinding=E2=80=A6
>
>
> > On Jul 14, 2018, at 11:57 AM, Tobias Fiebig <T.Fiebig@tudelft.nl> wrote=
:
> >
> > The idea was to do the same thing for the finals tomorrow. So doing the
> vote for that might be a good idea.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: hackathon [mailto:hackathon-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Witol=
d
> >> Krecicki
> >> Sent: 14 July, 2018 11:56 AM
> >> To: hackathon@ietf.org
> >> Subject: Re: [hackathon] Things moving on the big screen
> >>
> >> The match is over, so we can just turn it off now...
> >>
> >> On 14.07.2018 17:54, Tobias Fiebig wrote:
> >>> I think we should vote on this. Set something up: menti.com, code 57
> 91 56
> >>>
> >>> From: hackathon [mailto:hackathon-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Joseph Lorenzo Hall
> >>> Sent: 14 July, 2018 11:35 AM
> >>> To: Stephane Bortzmeyer
> >>> Cc: hackathon@ietf.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [hackathon] Things moving on the big screen
> >>>
> >>> Disagree.
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 10:01 AM Stephane Bortzmeyer
> >> <bortzmeyer+ietf@nic.fr> wrote:
> >>> Having football matches on the screen is really a bad idea. It's
> >>> distracting to have bright colors flashing. IMHO, it should be
> >>> removed.
> >>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, the lighting in this room is really creatively bad.=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0There are lights shining in my face no matter where I look.</d=
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, 2018 at 12:00 PM, Philip Prindeville <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:philipp@redfish-solutions.com" target=3D"_blank">philipp@redfish-soluti=
ons.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Can people =
who don=E2=80=99t want to see it just sit with their backs to the screen?<b=
r>
<br>
I=E2=80=99m doing exactly that and finding that I=E2=80=99m not at all dist=
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<br>
The chandelier here at the back of the room, on the other hand, is blinding=
=E2=80=A6<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
&gt; On Jul 14, 2018, at 11:57 AM, Tobias Fiebig &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:T.Fi=
ebig@tudelft.nl">T.Fiebig@tudelft.nl</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The idea was to do the same thing for the finals tomorrow. So doing th=
e vote for that might be a good idea.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt;&gt; From: hackathon [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:hackathon-bounces@ietf.o=
rg">hackathon-bounces@<wbr>ietf.org</a>] On Behalf Of Witold<br>
&gt;&gt; Krecicki<br>
&gt;&gt; Sent: 14 July, 2018 11:56 AM<br>
&gt;&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:hackathon@ietf.org">hackathon@ietf.org</a><b=
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&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [hackathon] Things moving on the big screen<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; The match is over, so we can just turn it off now...<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; On 14.07.2018 17:54, Tobias Fiebig wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; I think we should vote on this. Set something up: <a href=3D"h=
ttp://menti.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">menti.com</a>, code 5=
7 91 56<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; From: hackathon [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:hackathon-bounces@ie=
tf.org">hackathon-bounces@<wbr>ietf.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br>
&gt;&gt; Joseph Lorenzo Hall<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Sent: 14 July, 2018 11:35 AM<br>
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&gt;&gt;&gt; Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:hackathon@ietf.org">hackathon@ietf.org</=
a><br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [hackathon] Things moving on the big screen<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Disagree.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 10:01 AM Stephane Bortzmeyer<br>
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bortzmeyer%2Bietf@nic.fr">bortzmeyer+ietf@ni=
c.fr</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Having football matches on the screen is really a bad idea. It=
&#39;s<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; distracting to have bright colors flashing. IMHO, it should be=
<br>
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On Jul 14, 2018, at 11:59, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:
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> I want to watch the commentators silently discussing the deep =
philosophical implications of the match, complete with instant replay.   =
They look so serious=E2=80=94it must be important!

Welcome to German TV!

And thanks to the organizers for setting this up.

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Hi,

I=E2=80=99m not sure an ideal temperature for everyone but I think room =
is so cold.
Could you please ask a hotel to set an air conditioner to higher =
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Best,
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+1.

I brought a long sleeve fleece, but that's not enough on this temperature.
I haven't brought any long sleeve shirts. Thus, there is no solution other =
than buying them.

shigeya

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>=20
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Hello!

Thank you for letting us know that it is cold. I have asked the hotel to =
adjust the temperature in the room.=20

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On Jul 14, 2018, at 12:19 , Shigeya Suzuki <shigeya@wide.ad.jp> wrote:

+1.

I brought a long sleeve fleece, but that's not enough on this =
temperature.
I haven't brought any long sleeve shirts. Thus, there is no solution =
other than buying them.

shigeya

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>=20
> I=92m not sure an ideal temperature for everyone but I think room is =
so cold.
> Could you please ask a hotel to set an air conditioner to higher =
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> Best,
> Hiro
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On 2018-07-14 12:14, Hirotaka NAKAJIMA wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I’m not sure an ideal temperature for everyone but I think room is so cold.
> Could you please ask a hotel to set an air conditioner to higher temperature?
> 
> Best,
> Hiro
> 

+1

/Ludwig
-- 
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Get used to the hotel conference rooms being cold,
hope everyone brought a jacket as that is what this the standard attire in
this hotel :-)

Olafur


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wrote:

>
> Hello!
>
> Thank you for letting us know that it is cold. I have asked the hotel to
> adjust the temperature in the room.
>
> In the future, please send these reports to mtd@ietf.org.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Stephanie McCammon
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> On Jul 14, 2018, at 12:19 , Shigeya Suzuki <shigeya@wide.ad.jp> wrote:
>
> +1.
>
> I brought a long sleeve fleece, but that's not enough on this temperature=
.
> I haven't brought any long sleeve shirts. Thus, there is no solution othe=
r
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> shigeya
>
> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018, at 01:14, Hirotaka NAKAJIMA wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I=E2=80=99m not sure an ideal temperature for everyone but I think room=
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> cold.
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> > Best,
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Get used to the hotel conference rooms being cold,=C2=A0<d=
iv>hope everyone brought a jacket as that is what this the standard attire =
in this hotel :-)</div><div><br></div><div>Olafur</div><div><br></div></div=
><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 14, =
2018 at 12:42 PM, Stephanie McCammon <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:smccammon@amsl.com" target=3D"_blank">smccammon@amsl.com</a>&gt;</span> w=
rote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
Hello!<br>
<br>
Thank you for letting us know that it is cold. I have asked the hotel to ad=
just the temperature in the room. <br>
<br>
In the future, please send these reports to <a href=3D"mailto:mtd@ietf.org"=
>mtd@ietf.org</a>.<br>
<br>
Thank you!<br>
<br>
Stephanie McCammon<br>
IETF Senior Project Manager<br>
5177 Brandin Court<br>
Fremont, CA 94538<br>
T: +1.510.492.4081<br>
F: +1.510.492.4001<br>
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<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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On Jul 14, 2018, at 12:19 , Shigeya Suzuki &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shigeya@wi=
de.ad.jp">shigeya@wide.ad.jp</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
+1.<br>
<br>
I brought a long sleeve fleece, but that&#39;s not enough on this temperatu=
re.<br>
I haven&#39;t brought any long sleeve shirts. Thus, there is no solution ot=
her than buying them.<br>
<br>
shigeya<br>
<br>
On Sun, Jul 15, 2018, at 01:14, Hirotaka NAKAJIMA wrote:<br>
&gt; Hi,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I=E2=80=99m not sure an ideal temperature for everyone but I think roo=
m is so cold.<br>
&gt; Could you please ask a hotel to set an air conditioner to higher tempe=
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&gt; <br>
&gt; Best,<br>
&gt; Hiro<br>
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What about Space blankets instead of T-Shirts next time?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_blanket

:)

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> Get used to the hotel conference rooms being cold, hope everyone
> brought a jacket as that is what this the standard attire in this
> hotel :-)

icelandic wussy.  feels great to a seattleite :)

randy


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I understand that the IEEE meeting will be located in the same
hotel/conference center as IETF103, the week afterwards.
There is a desire to foster more collaboration between IEEE and IETF.

I want to suggest that we consider moving the Hackathon from the
Saturday/Sunday before IETF103, to the Saturday/Sunday afterwards,
such that it is now sandwiched between IETF and IEEE meetings.

I recognize that perhaps it's too late to rejig this, and there are issues
relating to the network infrastructure, hotel bookings, and the like.

I suggest the following points:
  a) We might attract IEEE-types to the Hackathon.

  b) We will give a reason for IETF-types to remain in Bangkok after IETF,
     in order to mix with IEEE-types.

  c) The Hackathon has now made the week 7 days for sure: arrive Friday
     morning, stay until Friday afternoon.  Few who come for the Hackathon
     are going to stay another weekend and attend IEEE, unless they already
     do stay.
     Moving the Hackthon means people could arrive Sunday and depart on
     the following Sunday or Monday.  Same number of hotel nights, but more
     overlap.

  d) Without something on the weekend between IETF and IEEE, there are likely
     to be no additional interactions,

  e) the Friday unstructured time experiment might actually work.

One might also contemplate starting the Hackathon on Friday or Friday
afternoon, possibly finishing earlier on Sunday.

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I thought the current scheduling worked very well, as a practical =
matter.

As a first-time hackathon goer and relative newcomer to IETF, placing =
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allowed us to meet up with folks and get stuff done=E2=80=94design and =
otherwise=E2=80=94which we could talk about in the WG meeting itself.

In the sense that the hackathon serves as an informal pre-WG working =
meeting, I found it very useful. It also nicely sequenced with ANRW on =
Monday.

-Nick

> On Jul 21, 2018, at 6:30 PM, Michael Richardson =
<mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:
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> I understand that the IEEE meeting will be located in the same
> hotel/conference center as IETF103, the week afterwards.
> There is a desire to foster more collaboration between IEEE and IETF.
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> I want to suggest that we consider moving the Hackathon from the
> Saturday/Sunday before IETF103, to the Saturday/Sunday afterwards,
> such that it is now sandwiched between IETF and IEEE meetings.
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> I recognize that perhaps it's too late to rejig this, and there are =
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> I suggest the following points:
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>  c) The Hackathon has now made the week 7 days for sure: arrive Friday
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>     Moving the Hackthon means people could arrive Sunday and depart on
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>  d) Without something on the weekend between IETF and IEEE, there are =
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>  e) the Friday unstructured time experiment might actually work.
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> One might also contemplate starting the Hackathon on Friday or Friday
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> --
> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
> -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D-
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I agree with Nick here. We use the hackathon as a pre-meeting interop,
helping us flesh out issues for the WG meetings during the week. Having the
hackathon afterwards would not serve the same purpose.

An additional concern here is that people are pretty wiped out after an
IETF meeting. This was true even before we started having the hackathon the
weekend before and I think it would be difficult for people to be effective
at the hackathon afterwards.

-Ekr


On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Nick Feamster <feamster@cs.princeton.edu>
wrote:

> I thought the current scheduling worked very well, as a practical matter.
>
> As a first-time hackathon goer and relative newcomer to IETF, placing the
> hackathon before the WG meetings was very useful for us, in that it allow=
ed
> us to meet up with folks and get stuff done=E2=80=94design and otherwise=
=E2=80=94which we
> could talk about in the WG meeting itself.
>
> In the sense that the hackathon serves as an informal pre-WG working
> meeting, I found it very useful. It also nicely sequenced with ANRW on
> Monday.
>
> -Nick
>
> > On Jul 21, 2018, at 6:30 PM, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
> wrote:
> >
> > Signed PGP part
> >
> > I understand that the IEEE meeting will be located in the same
> > hotel/conference center as IETF103, the week afterwards.
> > There is a desire to foster more collaboration between IEEE and IETF.
> >
> > I want to suggest that we consider moving the Hackathon from the
> > Saturday/Sunday before IETF103, to the Saturday/Sunday afterwards,
> > such that it is now sandwiched between IETF and IEEE meetings.
> >
> > I recognize that perhaps it's too late to rejig this, and there are
> issues
> > relating to the network infrastructure, hotel bookings, and the like.
> >
> > I suggest the following points:
> >  a) We might attract IEEE-types to the Hackathon.
> >
> >  b) We will give a reason for IETF-types to remain in Bangkok after IET=
F,
> >     in order to mix with IEEE-types.
> >
> >  c) The Hackathon has now made the week 7 days for sure: arrive Friday
> >     morning, stay until Friday afternoon.  Few who come for the Hackath=
on
> >     are going to stay another weekend and attend IEEE, unless they
> already
> >     do stay.
> >     Moving the Hackthon means people could arrive Sunday and depart on
> >     the following Sunday or Monday.  Same number of hotel nights, but
> more
> >     overlap.
> >
> >  d) Without something on the weekend between IETF and IEEE, there are
> likely
> >     to be no additional interactions,
> >
> >  e) the Friday unstructured time experiment might actually work.
> >
> > One might also contemplate starting the Hackathon on Friday or Friday
> > afternoon, possibly finishing earlier on Sunday.
> >
> > --
> > Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
> > -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D-
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I agree with Nick here. We use the hackathon as a pre=
-meeting interop, helping us flesh out issues for the WG meetings during th=
e week. Having the hackathon afterwards would not serve the same purpose.</=
div><div><br></div><div>An additional concern here is that people are prett=
y wiped out after an IETF meeting. This was true even before we started hav=
ing the hackathon the weekend before and I think it would be difficult for =
people to be effective at the hackathon afterwards.<br></div><div><br></div=
><div>-Ekr</div><div><br></div><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Nick Feamster <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:feamster@cs.princeton.edu" target=3D"_blank"=
>feamster@cs.princeton.edu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex">I thought the current scheduling worked very well, as a practical m=
atter.<br>
<br>
As a first-time hackathon goer and relative newcomer to IETF, placing the h=
ackathon before the WG meetings was very useful for us, in that it allowed =
us to meet up with folks and get stuff done=E2=80=94design and otherwise=E2=
=80=94which we could talk about in the WG meeting itself.<br>
<br>
In the sense that the hackathon serves as an informal pre-WG working meetin=
g, I found it very useful. It also nicely sequenced with ANRW on Monday.<br=
>
<br>
-Nick<br>
<br>
&gt; On Jul 21, 2018, at 6:30 PM, Michael Richardson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
mcr%2Bietf@sandelman.ca">mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Signed PGP part<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">&gt; <br>
&gt; I understand that the IEEE meeting will be located in the same<br>
&gt; hotel/conference center as IETF103, the week afterwards.<br>
&gt; There is a desire to foster more collaboration between IEEE and IETF.<=
br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I want to suggest that we consider moving the Hackathon from the<br>
&gt; Saturday/Sunday before IETF103, to the Saturday/Sunday afterwards,<br>
&gt; such that it is now sandwiched between IETF and IEEE meetings.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I recognize that perhaps it&#39;s too late to rejig this, and there ar=
e issues<br>
&gt; relating to the network infrastructure, hotel bookings, and the like.<=
br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I suggest the following points:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 a) We might attract IEEE-types to the Hackathon.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 b) We will give a reason for IETF-types to remain in Bangkok aft=
er IETF,<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0in order to mix with IEEE-types.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 c) The Hackathon has now made the week 7 days for sure: arrive F=
riday<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0morning, stay until Friday afternoon.=C2=A0 Few who=
 come for the Hackathon<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0are going to stay another weekend and attend IEEE, =
unless they already<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0do stay.<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Moving the Hackthon means people could arrive Sunda=
y and depart on<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the following Sunday or Monday.=C2=A0 Same number o=
f hotel nights, but more<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0overlap.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 d) Without something on the weekend between IETF and IEEE, there=
 are likely<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0to be no additional interactions,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 e) the Friday unstructured time experiment might actually work.<=
br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; One might also contemplate starting the Hackathon on Friday or Friday<=
br>
&gt; afternoon, possibly finishing earlier on Sunday.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; Michael Richardson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mcr%2BIETF@sandelman.ca">mcr+=
IETF@sandelman.ca</a>&gt;, Sandelman Software Works<br>
&gt; -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D-<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
<br>
</div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
hackathon mailing list<br>
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er" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/hackathon<=
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+1 here, I am certainly sure that I won=E2=80=99t attend Hackathon after the=
 IETF. I just want to be back home after the full week. The current timing w=
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> On 22 Jul 2018, at 05:33, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:
>=20
> I agree with Nick here. We use the hackathon as a pre-meeting interop, hel=
ping us flesh out issues for the WG meetings during the week. Having the hac=
kathon afterwards would not serve the same purpose.
>=20
> An additional concern here is that people are pretty wiped out after an IE=
TF meeting. This was true even before we started having the hackathon the we=
ekend before and I think it would be difficult for people to be effective at=
 the hackathon afterwards.
>=20
> -Ekr
>=20
>=20
>> On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Nick Feamster <feamster@cs.princeton.edu=
> wrote:
>> I thought the current scheduling worked very well, as a practical matter.=

>>=20
>> As a first-time hackathon goer and relative newcomer to IETF, placing the=
 hackathon before the WG meetings was very useful for us, in that it allowed=
 us to meet up with folks and get stuff done=E2=80=94design and otherwise=E2=
=80=94which we could talk about in the WG meeting itself.
>>=20
>> In the sense that the hackathon serves as an informal pre-WG working meet=
ing, I found it very useful. It also nicely sequenced with ANRW on Monday.
>>=20
>> -Nick
>>=20
>> > On Jul 21, 2018, at 6:30 PM, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>=
 wrote:
>> >=20
>> > Signed PGP part
>> >=20
>> > I understand that the IEEE meeting will be located in the same
>> > hotel/conference center as IETF103, the week afterwards.
>> > There is a desire to foster more collaboration between IEEE and IETF.
>> >=20
>> > I want to suggest that we consider moving the Hackathon from the
>> > Saturday/Sunday before IETF103, to the Saturday/Sunday afterwards,
>> > such that it is now sandwiched between IETF and IEEE meetings.
>> >=20
>> > I recognize that perhaps it's too late to rejig this, and there are iss=
ues
>> > relating to the network infrastructure, hotel bookings, and the like.
>> >=20
>> > I suggest the following points:
>> >  a) We might attract IEEE-types to the Hackathon.
>> >=20
>> >  b) We will give a reason for IETF-types to remain in Bangkok after IET=
F,
>> >     in order to mix with IEEE-types.
>> >=20
>> >  c) The Hackathon has now made the week 7 days for sure: arrive Friday
>> >     morning, stay until Friday afternoon.  Few who come for the Hackath=
on
>> >     are going to stay another weekend and attend IEEE, unless they alre=
ady
>> >     do stay.
>> >     Moving the Hackthon means people could arrive Sunday and depart on
>> >     the following Sunday or Monday.  Same number of hotel nights, but m=
ore
>> >     overlap.
>> >=20
>> >  d) Without something on the weekend between IETF and IEEE, there are l=
ikely
>> >     to be no additional interactions,
>> >=20
>> >  e) the Friday unstructured time experiment might actually work.
>> >=20
>> > One might also contemplate starting the Hackathon on Friday or Friday
>> > afternoon, possibly finishing earlier on Sunday.
>> >=20
>> > --
>> > Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
>> > -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D-
>> >=20
>> >=20
>> >=20
>> >=20
>> >=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">+1 here, I am certainly sure that I won=E2=80=
=99t attend Hackathon after the IETF. I just want to be back home after the f=
ull week. The current timing works best.<br><br>Ond=C5=99ej<br><div id=3D"Ap=
pleMailSignature"><div>--</div>Ond=C5=99ej Sur=C3=BD &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:o=
ndrej@sury.org">ondrej@sury.org</a>&gt;</div><div><br>On 22 Jul 2018, at 05:=
33, Eric Rescorla &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ekr@rtfm.com">ekr@rtfm.com</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I ag=
ree with Nick here. We use the hackathon as a pre-meeting interop, helping u=
s flesh out issues for the WG meetings during the week. Having the hackathon=
 afterwards would not serve the same purpose.</div><div><br></div><div>An ad=
ditional concern here is that people are pretty wiped out after an IETF meet=
ing. This was true even before we started having the hackathon the weekend b=
efore and I think it would be difficult for people to be effective at the ha=
ckathon afterwards.<br></div><div><br></div><div>-Ekr</div><div><br></div><d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 21,=
 2018 at 3:58 PM, Nick Feamster <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:feam=
ster@cs.princeton.edu" target=3D"_blank">feamster@cs.princeton.edu</a>&gt;</=
span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I thought the current scheduli=
ng worked very well, as a practical matter.<br>
<br>
As a first-time hackathon goer and relative newcomer to IETF, placing the ha=
ckathon before the WG meetings was very useful for us, in that it allowed us=
 to meet up with folks and get stuff done=E2=80=94design and otherwise=E2=80=
=94which we could talk about in the WG meeting itself.<br>
<br>
In the sense that the hackathon serves as an informal pre-WG working meeting=
, I found it very useful. It also nicely sequenced with ANRW on Monday.<br>
<br>
-Nick<br>
<br>
&gt; On Jul 21, 2018, at 6:30 PM, Michael Richardson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:m=
cr%2Bietf@sandelman.ca">mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Signed PGP part<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">&gt; <br>
&gt; I understand that the IEEE meeting will be located in the same<br>
&gt; hotel/conference center as IETF103, the week afterwards.<br>
&gt; There is a desire to foster more collaboration between IEEE and IETF.<b=
r>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I want to suggest that we consider moving the Hackathon from the<br>
&gt; Saturday/Sunday before IETF103, to the Saturday/Sunday afterwards,<br>
&gt; such that it is now sandwiched between IETF and IEEE meetings.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I recognize that perhaps it's too late to rejig this, and there are iss=
ues<br>
&gt; relating to the network infrastructure, hotel bookings, and the like.<b=
r>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I suggest the following points:<br>
&gt;&nbsp; a) We might attract IEEE-types to the Hackathon.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp; b) We will give a reason for IETF-types to remain in Bangkok afte=
r IETF,<br>
&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;in order to mix with IEEE-types.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp; c) The Hackathon has now made the week 7 days for sure: arrive Fri=
day<br>
&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;morning, stay until Friday afternoon.&nbsp; Few who c=
ome for the Hackathon<br>
&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;are going to stay another weekend and attend IEEE, u=
nless they already<br>
&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;do stay.<br>
&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Moving the Hackthon means people could arrive Sunday=
 and depart on<br>
&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;the following Sunday or Monday.&nbsp; Same number of=
 hotel nights, but more<br>
&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;overlap.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp; d) Without something on the weekend between IETF and IEEE, there a=
re likely<br>
&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;to be no additional interactions,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp; e) the Friday unstructured time experiment might actually work.<b=
r>
&gt; <br>
&gt; One might also contemplate starting the Hackathon on Friday or Friday<b=
r>
&gt; afternoon, possibly finishing earlier on Sunday.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; Michael Richardson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mcr%2BIETF@sandelman.ca">mcr+I=
ETF@sandelman.ca</a>&gt;, Sandelman Software Works<br>
&gt; -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D-<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
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&gt; <br>
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