From nobody Wed Feb 1 02:58:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietf.org Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2D88129D20; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 02:58:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.41.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148594671361.24533.15620924992433414899.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2017 02:58:33 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: hipsec@ietf.org Subject: [Hipsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-15.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2017 10:58:34 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol of the IETF. Title : Native NAT Traversal Mode for the Host Identity Protocol Authors : Ari Keranen Jan Melén Miika Komu Filename : draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-15.txt Pages : 52 Date : 2017-02-01 Abstract: This document specifies a new Network Address Translator (NAT) traversal mode for the Host Identity Protocol (HIP). The new mode is based on the Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE) methodology and UDP encapsulation of data and signaling traffic. The main difference from the previously specified modes is the use of HIP messages for all NAT traversal procedures. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-15 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-15 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Feb 1 03:14:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5FC4129D1A for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 03:14:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.22 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.22 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ss2HtqBq3sEO for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 03:14:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from sesbmg23.ericsson.net (sesbmg23.ericsson.net [193.180.251.37]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C988E129D18 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 03:14:29 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb25-5ba3c980000036c9-ee-5891c3134d3c Received: from ESESSHC017.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.69]) by (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id A6.9F.14025.313C1985; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 12:14:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from [100.94.2.45] (153.88.183.153) by smtp.internal.ericsson.com (153.88.183.71) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.319.2; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 12:14:06 +0100 To: References: <148594671361.24533.15620924992433414899.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Miika Komu Organization: Ericsson AB Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 13:14:05 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <148594671361.24533.15620924992433414899.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrBLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7q67I4YkRBvdauSymLprM7MDosWTJ T6YAxigum5TUnMyy1CJ9uwSujD3fFrIU/Bao2LJ/G0sDYzdvFyMnh4SAicTi8w/Yuhi5OIQE 1jFKPFpwhQnCWcEosfrqZ2aQKmEBH4l9066B2SICohJTPpwGs4UE/CSWLVkDZrMJaEmsunMd zOYXkJTY0LAbzOYVsJfY+voGE4jNIqAicW3zFtYuRg4OUYEIiYbD6RAlghInZz5hAQlzCvhL bN1lARJmFrCQmDn/PCOErS2xbOFrZpASIaApF48FT2AUmIWkeRaSjllIOhYwMq9iFC1OLU7K TTcy1kstykwuLs7P08tLLdnECAy/g1t+q+5gvPzG8RCjAAejEg/vhnsTIoRYE8uKK3MPMUpw MCuJ8O7aNzFCiDclsbIqtSg/vqg0J7X4EKM0B4uSOK/ZyvvhQgLpiSWp2ampBalFMFkmDk6p BkYWjTjGuXZKjZ3ql7OEX8bFBTuc0z/9s+m5bu0uoS+BiTF+W4UdY59NSeVIYHY2dT6UYeOr PnfHnBpp6z2HV5Z2Pps5fbbUYt8bGzrsTpw5MPXm23NbrUIeP+g6/mt23+8LLzlPK3ZypRo1 /t+zyOUMK49culbQ0p7mo9wlv03b7864zC3trqfEUpyRaKjFXFScCACzEQVEOwIAAA== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Hipsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-15.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2017 11:14:31 -0000 Hi, as you can see the diff link below, this version includes some minor=20 editorial nits, but also some additional text in this section: 4.2. Transport Address Candidate Gathering The priority and RTO calculation formulas from the ICE specification are = repeated here. Unless there are further comments, I would suggest moving the draft to=20 last call. On 02/01/2017 12:58 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts dire= ctories. > This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol of the IETF. > > Title : Native NAT Traversal Mode for the Host Identi= ty Protocol > Authors : Ari Keranen > Jan Mel=C3=A9n > Miika Komu > Filename : draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-15.txt > Pages : 52 > Date : 2017-02-01 > > Abstract: > This document specifies a new Network Address Translator (NAT) > traversal mode for the Host Identity Protocol (HIP). The new mode i= s > based on the Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE) methodolog= y > and UDP encapsulation of data and signaling traffic. The main > difference from the previously specified modes is the use of HIP > messages for all NAT traversal procedures. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-15 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal= -15 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submi= ssion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Hipsec mailing list > Hipsec@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec > From nobody Wed Feb 1 08:06:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A753C1294CA for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 08:06:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cz6hbGG4YWSf for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 08:06:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from out.west.exch081.serverdata.net (cas081-co-8.exch081.serverdata.net [199.193.204.189]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C727F1294C4 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 08:06:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from MBX081-W5-CO-2.exch081.serverpod.net (10.224.129.85) by MBX081-W5-CO-2 (10.224.129.85) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1178.4; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 08:06:30 -0800 Received: from MBX081-W5-CO-2.exch081.serverpod.net ([10.224.129.85]) by MBX081-W5-CO-2.exch081.serverpod.net ([10.224.129.85]) with mapi id 15.00.1178.000; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 08:06:30 -0800 From: Jeff Ahrenholz To: Miika Komu , "hipsec@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Hipsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-15.txt Thread-Index: AQHSfHok+x7pivbeq0arYDn4C2B2HaFUhcGA///LlwA= Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 16:06:30 +0000 Message-ID: <47FC38CD-856E-427F-BFF5-C051A7A17242@temperednetworks.com> References: <148594671361.24533.15620924992433414899.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [216.168.34.194] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Hipsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-15.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2017 11:11:39 -0000 Folks, I would like to start a WGLC on the following draft. This WGLC will end on February 19th: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal/ Thanks, Gonzalo From nobody Sat Feb 4 03:45:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietf.org Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28920129A4E; Sat, 4 Feb 2017 03:45:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.42.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148620873216.2873.3554366770459253478.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2017 03:45:32 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: hipsec@ietf.org Subject: [Hipsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-16.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2017 11:45:32 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol of the IETF. Title : Native NAT Traversal Mode for the Host Identity Protocol Authors : Ari Keranen Jan Melén Miika Komu Filename : draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-16.txt Pages : 52 Date : 2017-02-04 Abstract: This document specifies a new Network Address Translator (NAT) traversal mode for the Host Identity Protocol (HIP). The new mode is based on the Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE) methodology and UDP encapsulation of data and signaling traffic. The main difference from the previously specified modes is the use of HIP messages for all NAT traversal procedures. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-16 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-16 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sat Feb 4 03:49:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C4C129A4E for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2017 03:49:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.321 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.321 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dq6rmAXTpVzF for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2017 03:49:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from sesbmg22.ericsson.net (sesbmg22.ericsson.net [193.180.251.48]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26F6D129A20 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2017 03:49:39 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb30-b83ff70000007389-19-5895bfcf6063 Received: from ESESSHC013.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.57]) by (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id E0.5A.29577.FCFB5985; Sat, 4 Feb 2017 12:49:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from [100.94.2.83] (153.88.183.153) by smtp.internal.ericsson.com (153.88.183.59) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.319.2; Sat, 4 Feb 2017 12:49:35 +0100 To: "hipsec@ietf.org" References: <148594671361.24533.15620924992433414899.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <47FC38CD-856E-427F-BFF5-C051A7A17242@temperednetworks.com> From: Miika Komu Organization: Ericsson AB Message-ID: <244dd069-ab85-1b69-c7de-2dc5d76793b5@ericsson.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2017 13:49:34 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <47FC38CD-856E-427F-BFF5-C051A7A17242@temperednetworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrNLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7pe7F/VMjDE502FhMXTSZ2YHRY8mS n0wBjFFcNimpOZllqUX6dglcGfeWb2EsWCdR8e9EE0sD4yrBLkZODgkBE4mnD7+zdDFycQgJ rGOUmHSviRHCWcEocefJQzaQKmEBH4l9064xg9giAuoSR3uaoToOMUocXzUHLMEmoCWx6s51 MJtfQFJiQ8NuMJtXwF7i+ZON7CA2i4CKxKqfm1hBbFGBCIn5T1cxQdQISpyc+YQFxOYU8JC4 9OU6WA2zgIXEzPnnGSFsbYllC18DzeQAWqwicfFY8ARGgVlIumch6ZiFpGMBI/MqRtHi1OKk 3HQjI73Uoszk4uL8PL281JJNjMAgPLjlt8EOxpfPHQ8xCnAwKvHwGlyeEiHEmlhWXJkL9CAH s5IIb+TeqRFCvCmJlVWpRfnxRaU5qcWHGKU5WJTEec1W3g8XEkhPLEnNTk0tSC2CyTJxcEo1 MIo0SOxek6844233z60hwT/TDcKObbvQaL7b6eD0xcKH4/5/7rnsk339qkrC86vn98+s2eg7 fXHvnq1Srjpaek1vUpn8eFw3xCzZKZNl95GrpbBDUPLTpH++R1/IcK6z/TzpoJ/Tu/AGTfOq eOHKbMNyE94Y5m+zLn+uY97hJZAWUBfw8PSzRUosxRmJhlrMRcWJAB256Zo+AgAA Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Hipsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-15.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2017 11:49:41 -0000 Hi Jeff, thanks for quick feedback, fixed this in version 16. On 02/01/2017 06:06 PM, Jeff Ahrenholz wrote: > Hi Miika, > It looks good to me. I agree on moving to last call, pending further co= mments. > > Spotted one typo in the new text: > s/Eeach/each/ local address candidate MUST ... > > -Jeff > > On 2/1/17, 3:14 AM, "Hipsec on behalf of Miika Komu" wrote: > > Hi, > > as you can see the diff link below, this version includes some mino= r > editorial nits, but also some additional text in this section: > > 4.2. Transport Address Candidate Gathering > > The priority and RTO calculation formulas from the ICE specificatio= n are > repeated here. > > Unless there are further comments, I would suggest moving the draft= to > last call. > > On 02/01/2017 12:58 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Draft= s directories. > > This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol of the IE= TF. > > > > Title : Native NAT Traversal Mode for the Host = Identity Protocol > > Authors : Ari Keranen > > Jan Mel=C3=A9n > > Miika Komu > > Filename : draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-15.txt > > Pages : 52 > > Date : 2017-02-01 > > > > Abstract: > > This document specifies a new Network Address Translator (NAT)= > > traversal mode for the Host Identity Protocol (HIP). The new = mode is > > based on the Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE) meth= odology > > and UDP encapsulation of data and signaling traffic. The main= > > difference from the previously specified modes is the use of H= IP > > messages for all NAT traversal procedures. > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traver= sal/ > > > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-1= 5 > > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-hip-native-nat-tra= versal-15 > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of= submission > > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.o= rg. > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Hipsec mailing list > > Hipsec@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec > > > > _______________________________________________ > Hipsec mailing list > Hipsec@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec > > From nobody Sun Feb 5 13:32:09 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietf.org Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59097129401; Sun, 5 Feb 2017 13:32:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.42.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148633032235.31569.14994912293578674385.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2017 13:32:02 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: hipsec@ietf.org Subject: [Hipsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-hip-dex-05.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2017 21:32:02 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol of the IETF. Title : HIP Diet EXchange (DEX) Authors : Robert Moskowitz Rene Hummen Filename : draft-ietf-hip-dex-05.txt Pages : 50 Date : 2017-02-05 Abstract: This document specifies the Host Identity Protocol Diet EXchange (HIP DEX), a variant of the Host Identity Protocol Version 2 (HIPv2). The HIP DEX protocol design aims at reducing the overhead of the employed cryptographic primitives by omitting public-key signatures and hash functions. In doing so, the main goal is to still deliver similar security properties to HIPv2. The HIP DEX protocol is primarily designed for computation or memory- constrained sensor/actuator devices. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2017 21:59:54 -0000 --001a113d15985deaf90547cfa24d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tom, thanks for your review! I have addressed most of your comments in the new revision 05 that I just uploaded before. For your remaining comments, I need additional input from you and the rest of this group: 1) The text from Section 6.3 that you refer to is the same as in RFC5201 (HIPv1). I agree with you on the endianess. However, I assume that there was a good reason why the sort() was specified this way in the original HIP version. I would therefore prefer to keep the text as is. Concerning the 96 vs. 128 bit issue, the draft defines HITs the same way as HIPv2, which from my understanding are the full 128bit. 2) Concerning Sec. 6.5 through 6.8, I consciously chose to provide the full specification here in order to significantly increase the readability of these sections. When only stating the differences, I found myself constantly changing between two documents (RFC7401 for the content and the DEX draft to see if the content was relevant, removed, or modified). To support those interested in the changes between RFC7401 and the DEX draft, I specifically call out the main differences at the end of each section. Does this satisfy your comment? 3) If your suggestion for Section 10 is purely cosmetic in nature, I would prefer to not put additional effort into the IANA section. So, are these changes cosmetic or mandatory? BR Ren=C3=A9 2016-11-20 3:32 GMT+01:00 Tom Henderson : > Gonzalo, I have reviewed HIP DEX again and believe it is ready to publish= , > although I spotted a few minor items below that can be handled in the nex= t > revision. > > - Tom > > Editorial/minor: > > Section 1: The numbered list is somewhat tersely written and may be hard > to interpret by the newcomer to HIP specifications. Consider to elaborat= e > more (using fuller sentences and not sentence fragments). e.g.: > > "Forfeit of Perfect Forward Secrecy with the dropping of an ephemeral > Diffie-Hellman key agreement." could be > "Forfeit of the HIPv2 Perfect Forward Secrecy property due to the removal > of the HIPv2 ephemeral Diffie-Hellman key agreement." > > Section 1.1, spell out 'DoS' first time usage > > Section 4.1: "Note that x and y each constitute half the final session > key material." (change to 'half of the') > > The figure in 4.1 does not have a caption, and also, why is 'mac' > lowercased? > > Sec 4.1.3.1: "Since only little data is protected by this SA" (perhaps > s/little/a small amount/) > > Sec. 5.2.4: "The following new HIT Suite IDs are defined..." (s/IDs > are/ID is/ because there is only one defined) > > Sec. 6.3: "sort(HIT-I | HIT-R) is defined as the network byte order > concatenation of the two HITs... comparison of the two HITs interpreted a= s > positive (unsigned) 128-bit integers in network byte order" what does it > mean to define a sort on a network byte order concatenation? It seems > perhaps clearer to leave endian issues out (they are implicit everywhere = in > a protocol) and just define it as a comparison on HITs interpreted as > unsigned 128-bit integers (and by the way, is the full 128 bits including > prefix included or just the 96 bits)? > > Sec. 6.5 through 6.8: Unlike much of this draft, these sections do not > just specifically call out the differences from the corresponding RFC 740= 1 > sections, but instead restate the modified processing flow, and it is har= d > to spot what is different here. I wonder whether it would be clearer to > just refer to those processing steps in RFC 7401 that are changed. > > Sec. 8: Can a MITM reply to I1 with ICMP parameter problem, causing the > true response (coming later) to be ignored because the initiator already > gave up? Maybe clarify here or in sec 5.4 to wait a little while before > accepting the result of an ICMP. > > Sec. 10: Consider to update the IANA section in the style that RFC 8003 > (and others) used, stating the history of the registry and what exactly i= s > requested to be changed. For example, something like "RFC 5201 and later > RFC 7401 established the following registry .... This document defines t= he > following new codepoints for that registry ..." > > > _______________________________________________ > Hipsec mailing list > Hipsec@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec > --001a113d15985deaf90547cfa24d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Tom,

thanks for your review!

I have addressed most of your comments in the new revisio= n 05 that I just uploaded before. For your remaining comments, I need addit= ional input from you and the rest of this group:

1= ) The text from Section 6.3 that you refer to is the same as in RFC5201 (HI= Pv1). I agree with you on the endianess. However, I assume that there was a= good reason why the sort() was specified this way in the original HIP vers= ion. I would therefore prefer to keep the text as is.
Concerning the 96 = vs. 128 bit issue, the draft defines HITs the same way as HIPv2, which from= my understanding are the full 128bit.

2) Concerni= ng=C2=A0Sec. 6.5 through 6.8, I consciousl= y chose to provide the full specification here in order to significantly in= crease the readability of these sections. When only stating the differences= , I found myself constantly changing between two documents (RFC7401 for the= content and the DEX draft to see if the content was relevant, removed, or = modified). To support those interested in the changes between RFC7401 and t= he DEX draft, I specifically call out the main differences at the end of ea= ch section. Does this satisfy your comment?

3= ) If your suggestion for Section 10 is purely cosmetic in nature, I would prefer to not put additional effort = into the IANA section. So, are thes= e changes cosmetic or mandatory?

BR
Ren=C3=A9

2016-11-20 3:32 GMT+01:00 Tom Henderson <<= a href=3D"mailto:tomhend@u.washington.edu" target=3D"_blank">tomhend@u.wash= ington.edu>:
Gonzalo, I hav= e reviewed HIP DEX again and believe it is ready to publish, although I spo= tted a few minor items below that can be handled in the next revision.

- Tom

Editorial/minor:

Section 1:=C2=A0 The numbered list is somewhat tersely written and may be h= ard to interpret by the newcomer to HIP specifications.=C2=A0 Consider to e= laborate more (using fuller sentences and not sentence fragments).=C2=A0 e.= g.:

"Forfeit of Perfect Forward Secrecy with the dropping of an ephemeral = Diffie-Hellman key agreement." could be
"Forfeit of the HIPv2 Perfect Forward Secrecy property due to the remo= val of the HIPv2 ephemeral Diffie-Hellman key agreement."

Section 1.1, spell out 'DoS' first time usage

Section 4.1:=C2=A0 "Note that x and y each constitute half the final s= ession key material."=C2=A0 (change to 'half of the')

The figure in 4.1 does not have a caption, and also, why is 'mac' l= owercased?

Sec 4.1.3.1= :=C2=A0 "Since only little data is protected by this SA" (per= haps s/little/a small amount/)

Sec. 5.2.4:=C2=A0 "The following new HIT Suite IDs are defined..."= ; (s/IDs are/ID is/ because there is only one defined)

Sec. 6.3:=C2=A0 "sort(HIT-I | HIT-R) is defined as the network byte or= der concatenation of the two HITs... comparison of the two HITs interpreted= as positive (unsigned) 128-bit integers in network byte order"=C2=A0 = what does it mean to define a sort on a network byte order concatenation?= =C2=A0 It seems perhaps clearer to leave endian issues out (they are implic= it everywhere in a protocol) and just define it as a comparison on HITs int= erpreted as unsigned 128-bit integers (and by the way, is the full 128 bits= including prefix included or just the 96 bits)?

Sec. 6.5 through 6.8:=C2=A0 Unlike much of this draft, these sections do no= t just specifically call out the differences from the corresponding RFC 740= 1 sections, but instead restate the modified processing flow, and it is har= d to spot what is different here.=C2=A0 I wonder whether it would be cleare= r to just refer to those processing steps in RFC 7401 that are changed.

Sec. 8:=C2=A0 Can a MITM reply to I1 with ICMP parameter problem, causing t= he true response (coming later) to be ignored because the initiator already= gave up?=C2=A0 Maybe clarify here or in sec 5.4 to wait a little while bef= ore accepting the result of an ICMP.

Sec. 10:=C2=A0 Consider to update the IANA section in the style that RFC 80= 03 (and others) used, stating the history of the registry and what exactly = is requested to be changed.=C2=A0 For example, something like "RFC 520= 1 and later RFC 7401 established the following registry ....=C2=A0 This doc= ument defines the following new codepoints for that registry ..."


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--001a113d15985deaf90547cfa24d-- From nobody Tue Feb 14 17:39:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 100CB129493; Tue, 14 Feb 2017 17:39:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U7Zz6e64RMS5; Tue, 14 Feb 2017 17:39:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC097129469; Tue, 14 Feb 2017 17:39:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 1BA63B81467; Tue, 14 Feb 2017 17:39:32 -0800 (PST) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 1005:ams_util_lib.php From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20170215013932.1BA63B81467@rfc-editor.org> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 17:39:32 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: Cc: drafts-update-ref@iana.org, hipsec@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [Hipsec] RFC 8046 on Host Mobility with the Host Identity Protocol X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 01:39:34 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 8046 Title: Host Mobility with the Host Identity Protocol Author: T. Henderson, Ed., C. Vogt, J. Arkko Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: February 2017 Mailbox: tomhend@u.washington.edu, mail@christianvogt.net, jari.arkko@piuha.net Pages: 37 Characters: 86483 Obsoletes: RFC 5206 I-D Tag: draft-ietf-hip-rfc5206-bis-14.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8046 DOI: 10.17487/RFC8046 This document defines a mobility extension to the Host Identity Protocol (HIP). Specifically, this document defines a "LOCATOR_SET" parameter for HIP messages that allows for a HIP host to notify peers about alternate addresses at which it may be reached. This document also defines how the parameter can be used to preserve communications across a change to the IP address used by one or both peer hosts. The same LOCATOR_SET parameter can also be used to support end-host multihoming (as specified in RFC 8047). This document obsoletes RFC 5206. This document is a product of the Host Identity Protocol Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard. STANDARDS TRACK: This document specifies an Internet Standards Track protocol for the Internet community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. Please refer to the current edition of the Official Internet Protocol Standards (https://www.rfc-editor.org/standards) for the standardization state and status of this protocol. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. This announcement is sent to the IETF-Announce and rfc-dist lists. 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The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC From nobody Tue Feb 14 17:40:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A2061299A2; Tue, 14 Feb 2017 17:40:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hGEBucAnlONN; Tue, 14 Feb 2017 17:39:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B983A1299AC; Tue, 14 Feb 2017 17:39:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id A8BE2B814BE; Tue, 14 Feb 2017 17:39:44 -0800 (PST) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 1005:ams_util_lib.php From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20170215013944.A8BE2B814BE@rfc-editor.org> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 17:39:44 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: Cc: drafts-update-ref@iana.org, hipsec@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [Hipsec] RFC 8047 on Host Multihoming with the Host Identity Protocol X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 01:40:01 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 8047 Title: Host Multihoming with the Host Identity Protocol Author: T. Henderson, Ed., C. Vogt, J. Arkko Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: February 2017 Mailbox: tomhend@u.washington.edu, mail@christianvogt.net, jari.arkko@piuha.net Pages: 22 Characters: 57222 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-hip-multihoming-12.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8047 DOI: 10.17487/RFC8047 This document defines host multihoming extensions to the Host Identity Protocol (HIP), by leveraging protocol components defined for host mobility. This document is a product of the Host Identity Protocol Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard. STANDARDS TRACK: This document specifies an Internet Standards Track protocol for the Internet community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. Please refer to the current edition of the Official Internet Protocol Standards (https://www.rfc-editor.org/standards) for the standardization state and status of this protocol. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. This announcement is sent to the IETF-Announce and rfc-dist lists. To subscribe or unsubscribe, see https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce https://mailman.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-dist For searching the RFC series, see https://www.rfc-editor.org/search For downloading RFCs, see https://www.rfc-editor.org/retrieve/bulk Requests for special distribution should be addressed to either the author of the RFC in question, or to rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org. Unless specifically noted otherwise on the RFC itself, all RFCs are for unlimited distribution. The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC From nobody Wed Feb 15 02:16:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietf.org Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C8F51294BD; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 02:16:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.43.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148715377304.17349.13286936240261881582.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 02:16:13 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: hipsec@ietf.org Subject: [Hipsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-hip-rfc4423-bis-16.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 10:16:13 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol of the IETF. Title : Host Identity Protocol Architecture Authors : Robert Moskowitz Miika Komu Filename : draft-ietf-hip-rfc4423-bis-16.txt Pages : 42 Date : 2017-02-15 Abstract: This memo describes a new namespace, the Host Identity namespace, and a new protocol layer, the Host Identity Protocol, between the internetworking and transport layers. Herein are presented the basics of the current namespaces, their strengths and weaknesses, and how a new namespace will add completeness to them. The roles of this new namespace in the protocols are defined. This document obsoletes RFC 4423 and addresses the concerns raised by the IESG, particularly that of crypto agility. It incorporates lessons learned from the implementations of RFC 5201 and goes further to explain how HIP works as a secure signaling channel. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-rfc4423-bis/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-rfc4423-bis-16 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-hip-rfc4423-bis-16 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Feb 15 02:21:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 933201294D8 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 02:21:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.22 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.22 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nTD19IvbcCXX for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 02:21:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from sesbmg23.ericsson.net (sesbmg23.ericsson.net [193.180.251.37]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F9B01204D9 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 02:21:21 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb25-93e1698000001738-ab-58a42b9f3023 Received: from ESESSHC001.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.21]) by (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 0F.A1.05944.F9B24A85; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 11:21:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from [131.160.51.186] (153.88.183.153) by smtp.internal.ericsson.com (153.88.183.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.319.2; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 11:21:13 +0100 References: <148715377304.17349.13286936240261881582.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: From: Miika Komu Organization: Ericsson AB Message-ID: <4453e03b-52f0-a711-65d9-756243110f5c@ericsson.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 12:21:13 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <148715377304.17349.13286936240261881582.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrBLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7qO4C7SURBvu7mS2mLprM7MDosWTJ T6YAxigum5TUnMyy1CJ9uwSujM/3L7EVTBKouPrvInsD4zGeLkZODgkBE4k9/xaxdzFycQgJ rGOU+HnmDjOEs4ZR4vj0JywgVcICzhITL/axgthCAn4SD1csZwOxRQREJaZ8OM0MYrMJaEms unMdzOYXkJTY0LAbzOYVsJc4dHEKE4jNIqAq8fX6B3YQW1QgQmL+01VMEDWCEidnQuziFPCX 6N5xESjOwcEM1PtgaxlImFlAXmL72znMIGEhARWJi8eCJzAKzELSPAuhYRaShgWMzKsYRYtT i5Ny042M9VKLMpOLi/Pz9PJSSzYxAsPv4JbfqjsYL79xPMQowMGoxMNbIL04Qog1say4MvcQ owQHs5II7zGBJRFCvCmJlVWpRfnxRaU5qcWHGKU5WJTEec1W3g8XEkhPLEnNTk0tSC2CyTJx cEo1MHpILWgyfDcrffnBtWsuSVtsWbl4buXerj38Bf97d9hZOZ+Zadjtv8/yxezdaz6zm8w8 GDzlVsDP+0vCDsi7HHC7UWwZ/7bIQm3ussm1rbV6KjH3qt/LO3Ed2Bff3rdEjmf+a8X4otdb FGZpLY08s+XojMjLCnENst88JyQK/6y5//h9v7ntnQYlluKMREMt5qLiRAAOw0B4OwIAAA== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Hipsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-hip-rfc4423-bis-16.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 10:21:23 -0000 FYI, I updated the references to mobility and multihoming specs since they are now RFCs. On 02/15/2017 12:16 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol of the IETF. > > Title : Host Identity Protocol Architecture > Authors : Robert Moskowitz > Miika Komu > Filename : draft-ietf-hip-rfc4423-bis-16.txt > Pages : 42 > Date : 2017-02-15 > > Abstract: > This memo describes a new namespace, the Host Identity namespace, and > a new protocol layer, the Host Identity Protocol, between the > internetworking and transport layers. Herein are presented the > basics of the current namespaces, their strengths and weaknesses, and > how a new namespace will add completeness to them. The roles of this > new namespace in the protocols are defined. > > This document obsoletes RFC 4423 and addresses the concerns raised by > the IESG, particularly that of crypto agility. It incorporates > lessons learned from the implementations of RFC 5201 and goes further > to explain how HIP works as a secure signaling channel. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-rfc4423-bis/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-rfc4423-bis-16 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-hip-rfc4423-bis-16 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Hipsec mailing list > Hipsec@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec > From nobody Wed Feb 15 02:26:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietf.org Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 320EC1204D9; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 02:26:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.43.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148715437319.17389.1541960320601648640.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 02:26:13 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: hipsec@ietf.org Subject: [Hipsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-17.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 10:26:13 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol of the IETF. Title : Native NAT Traversal Mode for the Host Identity Protocol Authors : Ari Keranen Jan Melén Miika Komu Filename : draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-17.txt Pages : 52 Date : 2017-02-15 Abstract: This document specifies a new Network Address Translator (NAT) traversal mode for the Host Identity Protocol (HIP). The new mode is based on the Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE) methodology and UDP encapsulation of data and signaling traffic. The main difference from the previously specified modes is the use of HIP messages for all NAT traversal procedures. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-17 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-17 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Feb 15 02:28:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C17671296AF for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 02:28:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.22 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.22 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dq4pthO4mGiJ for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 02:28:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from sessmg22.ericsson.net (sessmg22.ericsson.net [193.180.251.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F4094129550 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 02:28:00 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3a-b9bff700000021e0-f0-58a42d2e4759 Received: from ESESSHC003.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.27]) by (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id C0.72.08672.E2D24A85; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 11:27:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from [131.160.51.186] (153.88.183.153) by smtp.internal.ericsson.com (153.88.183.29) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.319.2; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 11:26:56 +0100 To: References: <148715437319.17389.1541960320601648640.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Miika Komu Organization: Ericsson AB Message-ID: <03b10584-d2bb-39ae-e159-5971ba6115fa@ericsson.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 12:26:56 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <148715437319.17389.1541960320601648640.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrJLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7tK6+7pIIg8l3pC2mLprM7MDosWTJ T6YAxigum5TUnMyy1CJ9uwSujOOPtzAW3OWrWPnzJ3sD41LuLkZODgkBE4kdi1vZuxi5OIQE 1jFKrHi/HcpZwyixc+tcVpAqYQEfid3rzoHZIgKiElM+nGYGsYUEfCXu3WlgB7HZBLQkVt25 DhbnF5CU2NCwG8zmFbCX2L3mPZjNIqAqcXLhAbA5ogIREvOfrmKCqBGUODnzCUsXIwcHp4Cf xOFj2SBhZgELiZnzzzNC2NoSyxa+ZgYpERJQkbh4LHgCo8AsJM2zkHTMQtKxgJF5FaNocWpx cW66kZFealFmcnFxfp5eXmrJJkZgAB7c8ttqB+PB546HGAU4GJV4eDcEL44QYk0sK67MPcQo wcGsJMJbpL0kQog3JbGyKrUoP76oNCe1+BCjNAeLkjiv2cr74UIC6YklqdmpqQWpRTBZJg5O qQZGrQXzViw49IxVtTTiqJ6Yu9/PW1LiRtXtN49OCuY5FHRUoJyj1eOheeXxvq+KshIzvLKT pN41vuRePp1tUqmp9hNezVMC66K47q5e/OqPhnVDY7pVpfTpSzE9b99yLGctvZfctqzm52ab lGuv1NgEWDgF+vg/zv8tJHnk6i9L1UOb2LZ3HTigxFKckWioxVxUnAgA57B1yzwCAAA= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Hipsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-17.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 10:28:03 -0000 FYI, just updated reference to the mobility specification since it became an R= FC. On 02/15/2017 12:26 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts dire= ctories. > This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol of the IETF. > > Title : Native NAT Traversal Mode for the Host Identi= ty Protocol > Authors : Ari Keranen > Jan Mel=C3=A9n > Miika Komu > Filename : draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-17.txt > Pages : 52 > Date : 2017-02-15 > > Abstract: > This document specifies a new Network Address Translator (NAT) > traversal mode for the Host Identity Protocol (HIP). The new mode i= s > based on the Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE) methodolog= y > and UDP encapsulation of data and signaling traffic. The main > difference from the previously specified modes is the use of HIP > messages for all NAT traversal procedures. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-17 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal= -17 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submi= ssion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Hipsec mailing list > Hipsec@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec > From nobody Sun Feb 19 07:20:09 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07AB9129516 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2017 07:20:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yEFOV25r38wT for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2017 07:20:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxout23.cac.washington.edu (mxout23.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6ACD51294FB for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2017 07:20:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from hymn03.u.washington.edu (hymn03.u.washington.edu [140.142.9.111]) by mxout23.cac.washington.edu (8.14.4+UW14.03/8.14.4+UW16.03) with ESMTP id v1JFIecX021485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 19 Feb 2017 07:18:40 -0800 Received: from hymn03.u.washington.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hymn03.u.washington.edu (8.14.4+UW14.03/8.14.4+UW16.03) with ESMTP id v1JFIapc002315; Sun, 19 Feb 2017 07:18:36 -0800 Received: from localhost (Unknown UID 14576@localhost) by hymn03.u.washington.edu (8.14.4+UW14.03/8.14.4+Submit-local) with ESMTP id v1JFIaTY002309; Sun, 19 Feb 2017 07:18:36 -0800 X-Auth-Received: from [73.140.18.44] by hymn03.u.washington.edu via HTTP; Sun, 19 Feb 2017 07:18:36 PST Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2017 07:18:36 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Henderson To: Gonzalo Camarillo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: User-Agent: Web Alpine 2.01 (LRH 1302 2010-07-20) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 6.2.1.2493963, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2017.2.19.151516 X-PMX-Server: mxout23.cac.washington.edu X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIIII, Probability=8%, Report=' HTML_00_01 0.05, HTML_00_10 0.05, SUPERLONG_LINE 0.05, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_2000_2999 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, DATE_TZ_NA 0, IN_REP_TO 0, LEGITIMATE_SIGNS 0, MSG_THREAD 0, MULTIPLE_REAL_RCPTS 0, __ANY_URI 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT 0, __CC_NAME 0, __CC_NAME_DIFF_FROM_ACC 0, __CC_REAL_NAMES 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __FORWARDED_MSG 0, __HAS_CC_HDR 0, __HAS_FROM 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HTTPS_URI 0, __IN_REP_TO 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_TEXT_P 0, __MIME_TEXT_P1 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __MULTIPLE_URI_TEXT 0, __NO_HTML_TAG_RAW 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __TO_NAME 0, __TO_NAME_DIFF_FROM_ACC 0, __TO_REAL_NAMES 0, __URI_IN_BODY 0, __URI_NS , __URI_WITH_PATH 0, __USER_AGENT 0' Archived-At: Cc: HIP Subject: Re: [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-15 X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2017 15:20:08 -0000 Hello, I have read the latest (-17) draft and sent some purely editorial comments to Miika. I had a few non-editorial questions and comments. 1) In appendix D, it states: o A minimal implementation would conform only to Section 4.7.1 or Section 4.7.2, thus merely tunneling HIP control and data traffic over UDP. The drawback here is that it works only in the limited cases where the Responder has a public address. However, in section 5.4, it states: Implementations conforming to this specification MUST implement both UDP-ENCAPSULATION and ICE-HIP-UDP modes. The contradictory text should be resolved. In my opinion, implementations that want to support only the UDP-ENCAPSULATION mode (and its restricted set of use cases) should be allowed. However, I don't know what might need to be done to avoid a situation where a product claims RFC compliance but only implements one of the two modes. It could perhaps be avoided by a statement that states "Implementations that choose to only support the UDP-ENCAPSULATION mode should clarify this point when any claims of compliance are made." 2) Appendix C states: o The considerations on Diffserv Codepoint markings in ICE are not applicable to HIP since Diffserv is not used in HIP. Why wouldn't the same issues arise in HIP as in ICE on this matter? Should this draft instead copy or reference the RFC 5245 recommendation: If the agent is using Diffserv Codepoint markings [RFC2475] in its media packets, it SHOULD apply those same markings to its connectivity checks. Also, I don't think that the HIP control plane should be excluded from using diffserv. 3) In section 4.10 (NAT keepalives), it states: Both a registered client and relay server SHOULD send a HIP NOTIFY packets to each other every 15 seconds (the so- called Tr value in ICE) unless they have exchange some other traffic over the used UDP ports. However, I couldn't find an explanation anywhere (also in RFC 5770) about how to code this NOTIFY. Would it make sense to define also a "NAT_KEEPALIVE" NOTIFY message type for this purpose? Once these issues are resolved, I think that the draft would be ready to publish. - Tom On Thu, 2 Feb 2017, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote: > Folks, > > I would like to start a WGLC on the following draft. This WGLC will > end on February 19th: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal/ > > Thanks, > > Gonzalo > > _______________________________________________ > Hipsec mailing list > Hipsec@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec >