From nobody Thu Mar 2 17:55:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51FCB129477 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2017 17:55:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TKXzlexyJsrL for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2017 17:55:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxout-07.mxes.net (mxout-07.mxes.net [216.86.168.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5960129445 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2017 17:55:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.3.104] (unknown [124.189.98.244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 27E4A22E255 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2017 20:55:20 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Nottingham Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) Message-Id: <246FA5A3-AEE4-4EBD-9FA4-7B3203B9E0BC@mnot.net> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 12:55:18 +1100 To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) Archived-At: Subject: [Ietf-and-github] Draft: requirements for third-party tools X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2017 01:55:30 -0000 I went and scribbled down what I meant when I said we should start by = just documenting hard requirements, rather than advice. See: https://mnot.github.io/I-D/wugh-services/ It's pretty rough and not submitted yet, will do so if there are = encouraging noises / feedback. Thanks, -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Fri Mar 3 15:58:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467D01299BF; Fri, 3 Mar 2017 15:55:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.46.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148858532527.15846.9080353373087441152.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2017 15:55:25 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: ietf-and-github@ietf.org, jari.arkko@piuha.net Subject: [Ietf-and-github] wugh - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 98 X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2017 23:55:25 -0000 Dear Cindy Morgan, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. wugh Session 1 (1:00:00) Monday, Afternoon Session III 1710-1810 Room Name: Zurich E/F size: 200 --------------------------------------------- Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: WGs Using GitHub Area Name: General Area Session Requester: Cindy Morgan Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 100 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: dnsop tls httpbis core trans quic rtcweb webpush mtgvenue lmap dispatch netvc regext stir acme hrpc perc saag cbor People who must be present: Jari Arkko Alissa Cooper Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Mon Mar 6 15:13:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 626B51294ED; Mon, 6 Mar 2017 15:13:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.714 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.714 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FAKE_REPLY_C=1.486, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pSkWfWe51cUV; Mon, 6 Mar 2017 15:13:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8257129505; Mon, 6 Mar 2017 15:13:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:77]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA2158C54B; Tue, 7 Mar 2017 00:13:32 +0100 (CET) Received: by faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id B0ECCB0B927; Tue, 7 Mar 2017 00:13:32 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 00:13:32 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert To: Patrick McManus Message-ID: <20170306231332.GA9095@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Cc: John C Klensin , Michael Richardson , ietf-and-github@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] RANT: posting IDs more often -- more is better -- why are we so shy? X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2017 23:13:40 -0000 [Bcc ietf ML, move to ietf-and-github] Patrick, *: To me, having just "some" text representation is not sufficient for a work document that people want to discuss/compare: 1) It MUST have a (simple enough) URI through which one can refer to it 2) The URI and effective date of it MUST be in the text document itself 3) The document MUST have a changelog with the changes by all predecessors with their effective dates. The http extensions github example given does not have these three aspects, so IMHO it's not sufficient. I bet it would be possible to come up with github tooling to solve these three issues, and IMHO it would be worthwhile to explore that. But then it should be done completely without datatracker - two hiearchy levels of tooling is just way too complex IMHO. Just use mayor revision numbers to indicate "open review version" and minor revisions as "design-team/co-author review version". Short of seeing such a full replacement of datatracker, i am strongly +1 MichaelR's suggestion to fully and solely leverage datatracker for version management, aka: push every change to datatracker - PLEASE. Btw: Datatracker does not mandate 3) but if an author does not use github (or the like) and remembers to do changelos, then sHe will put those into the document. If sHe uses github, sHe probably thinks that githubs changelog is good enough. Likewise, current drafts do not include the full URI of drafts, but given that there is only one datatracker, the names are today good enough as a URI. Once multiple "authoritative" github storages could be used, thats' no longer the case. Cheers Toerless On Wed, Mar 01, 2017 at 04:41:41PM -0500, Patrick McManus wrote: > Hi All, > > This thread started with a comment that github versions that lived > in-between ID versions did not have plain text representations - and > hopefully that specific misconception has been put to bed with the > counterexample of reasonable tooling mentioned upthread. Apparently this > has unearthed a spirited defense of the old way against a new way. So let > me espouse the virtues of the new way using John's outline for paradigms of > participation in a wg. > > > > (1) Very active participation, including tracking and > > understanding all changes, more or less in real time. > > > > > what tends to happen for this scenario in a github world is that a lot of > the native-wg-email moves into github-issues-email (you can still subscribe > and reply to these directly from your mailer or via any number of > alternative github interfaces) - with much more disciplined threading than > happens traditionally. A busy document benefits greatly from the tagging > these issues can have - an extra level of metadata and state tracking that > email alone can't give you. Multiple suggestions can be attached as pull > requests to the issues and each can be discussed independently and in > context - again, that discussion can all be gatewayed to email. I promise > you will still send and receive too much email - I have 18 github gatewayed > comments re QUIC in my inbox in the last 24 hours. Each one very specific > and substantive - Its just a better structured wg discussion in my inbox. > But the unstructured list persists for topics that aren't ready a github > issue yet. TBH if I were to only read one of them it would be the github > issue gateway - the signal to noise ratio is better. > > have a look at > https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue .. > what I see is essentially a very well threaded mailing list archive plus > some useful metadata (classifications, open-vs-resolved, tags about stuff > that needs more discussion, issues that are basically decided but an editor > needs to propose some text, etc..). And you can consume/contribute with a > mailer if you are happy with the old way. > > > > (2) Intermittent review of snapshots, ones that are generally > > believed by their editors to be coherent and self-consistent. > > Github revision tracking often makes that approach very > > burdensome; change logs in documents and diffs between versions > > are often more helpful. > > > > This seems to suggest that github based drafts go from -00 to WGLC with > interim changes only happening on github. That's not the way it works in my > experience - to me it feels like the same number of drafts are produced > (some data here would be interesting.. http/2 had around 19 revisions at > the end iirc even though we used github extensively.. I believe tls 1.3 is > on draft 19 or 20 and it is also github centric) and they continue to have > changelogs. Git pushes that are not also uploaded to datatracker are simply > a better (more visible) version of the locally saved version an editor has > always done in between updates. Periodically, new datatracker releases are > made to garner wider visibility, test interop, and as a signal that things > are, as you say, internally consistent. > > Reviewing these new datatracker revs can be done the same as always (diff > between -N and -N+1, changelogs, etc..), but it can also be *so much more*.. > you can git blame your way back to a changeset and probably an issue # from > the commit message.. from there you can read the discussion that went into > the change if you weren't able to tune in in real time. If you're not cool > with the way things stand, you just open a new issue (or send an email to > the list and the editor or chair will open an issue). > > If you want to review two non-data tracker revisions (e.g. you normally > track things in real time but you were out of office for a week) you can > use the same tools but with git revisions. version control software is > pretty good at that :) > > > > (3) Simply deciding it is all or nothing and waiting until IETF > > Last Call. > > > > Only the first really makes effective use of the github style of > > doing things. > > > > > I disagree with this conclusion - the accumulated repo history is most > valuable near the end of the process. We finally have something more than a > messy email database as a record of the process. > > This is especially powerful during the last calls, when issues from > some-time-ago can be re-raised (hopefully with new information!).. rather > than everyone spelunking through the archives to remember how it ended up > like that (or simply retorting 'read the archive') there is some structure > to the history of the document - the 'git blame' and the closed issue > threads intersect powerfully for understanding how consensus was reached. > > There is also the added bonus of having to close all the open issues before > a document can be published. Stuff doesn't get lost in the shuffle (though > it may be over taken by other changes and closed without action - but at > least it is done with deliberate review). Its better project management. > > I freely admit I am discussing what are emerging as best practices and I > hope ietf-and-github@ietf.org helps codify some of this. This system could > certainly be run poorly - but that's not a reason for avoiding well run > ones. The old email and upload XML snapshot approach doesn't live in the > Internet ecosystem that we seek to serve for good reasons. -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Mon Mar 6 16:56:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B318A129ABB for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2017 16:56:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mz0tuqUdCu9E for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2017 16:56:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qk0-x22c.google.com (mail-qk0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BF8D129A92 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2017 16:54:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qk0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id 1so183805455qkl.3 for ; Mon, 06 Mar 2017 16:54:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=nD4i+w7fkICVF5turmubuvaI7lccHNQXzOaIJlsWVgI=; b=cq2s1KlDsCd2Ok04j0OCQ/aIKZd/GZVeeH6UTZ/2283MDz5NHZJkAVmFlDxI+DTO9C fE97TaWrJ33zZyyeduIOyaRnV/LKkKtKoZ5a1RKA72f88IWe78PD+5JChtOw6KfQUX0z SdZEdNyZQpusSwTJ81oPyQfNuC09DC5J5fVGSxMtiZBJZ7H8Varnp8AxmTwAJiT/n128 hvNPfBlzjDlIP9xhXdclX16gWnMPoTOpL1cWODG4thkw6+FdmdeeUwRsyW0jRjMtb/vP x+3fTpKNN0nQyxk6gkNDf5oUN/6LZGurfV/xM9sZC+po839s/Jfbv850ZuS6Hn0U/YJw atHQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=nD4i+w7fkICVF5turmubuvaI7lccHNQXzOaIJlsWVgI=; b=EduiNXlx3J12x9rSH//syccWuYqzo8oaJxLDt2DEbc/Os/i9KLyB+/r4YbOVaDxDCo wrdBKTuw9SXA+fEecjPTwZ2h9HEbRC34oqtGg+flFT3kZCFaLmRClfkX5t8LEoQxQ5py +8wS74SdeADJ3s3T1tHU++/BMqs0+U5vY1CvUGFXS9wIz7IhxF53ly0Y0YFLLD2LKZCp GsJ+PdRZEb6AUr0w3s5O5mQi6aeL7nFzfVNntgfD2PRk4DzEBoSjm6QYhEw2WXyrjp0R HAaavo/4Cz7F/cMeE45rV6jVeq8g+cgFgpFn6W5U0SzCzealQX4Of5SizxhuUVn1sApe U/3w== X-Gm-Message-State: AMke39msu/S0yRQymSDn2KbHj3IiuPaQJ8lR3q3kxamuVveKlmlmbcjV+Q/GgNTPi7h7HuJtjYePQZnxsuqtiw== X-Received: by 10.55.27.219 with SMTP id m88mr16999445qkh.147.1488848070630; Mon, 06 Mar 2017 16:54:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.19.112 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Mar 2017 16:54:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20170306231332.GA9095@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <20170306231332.GA9095@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> From: Martin Thomson Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 11:54:30 +1100 Message-ID: To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: John C Klensin , Michael Richardson , Patrick McManus Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] RANT: posting IDs more often -- more is better -- why are we so shy? X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2017 00:56:47 -0000 On 7 March 2017 at 10:13, Toerless Eckert wrote: > 1) It MUST have a (simple enough) URI through which one can refer to it > 2) The URI and effective date of it MUST be in the text document itself > 3) The document MUST have a changelog with the changes by all predecessors with their effective dates. These things are all possible. The two are trivially possible, see: http://httpwg.org/http-extensions/rand-access-live.txt For things like changelogs, whether you get them depends on someone putting in some effort. I don't see you getting that from every document editor just by sending an email to a mailing list though. On the other hand, the tools that Patrick pointed out give you some ability to recover the information you want (and much more) by spending your own effort. Note that I can recover a specific textual version of a document by looking at the history of the gh-pages branch on the http-extensions repo. For example: https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/blob/9b236760105be61a7ac2e1151e23e5b27077196b/rand-access-live.txt From nobody Thu Mar 9 03:54:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88653129558 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 03:54:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wy826TW_NvgD for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 03:54:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F138129550 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 03:54:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCBBF2CFD8; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 13:54:34 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from jari.arkko@piuha.net) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GJNilFoXebqf; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 13:54:34 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E65D2CC5E; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 13:54:34 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from jari.arkko@piuha.net) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8A758A72-149C-4FE3-8784-91D049A94112"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail From: Jari Arkko In-Reply-To: <246FA5A3-AEE4-4EBD-9FA4-7B3203B9E0BC@mnot.net> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 13:54:32 +0200 Message-Id: <10165B9B-98DB-4F8C-A1CD-017339AE00E7@piuha.net> References: <246FA5A3-AEE4-4EBD-9FA4-7B3203B9E0BC@mnot.net> To: Mark Nottingham X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Draft: requirements for third-party tools X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 11:54:38 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_8A758A72-149C-4FE3-8784-91D049A94112 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I like this a lot! Definitely worth submitting. Jari --Apple-Mail=_8A758A72-149C-4FE3-8784-91D049A94112 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJYwUJ5AAoJEM80gCTQU46qGbkQAJLQiLsQTfeP9YmWh9dfyMOs SeHrp0eaKOLJCRve8IR2MvDc56lx6XnYP5AJGx3J++yq7YSSOxfD/Kt90Aqsmh/I 9yVqRdmhcuW34U1QeDAYUrqz3qqyjFLPBHffW1QIZjYxRFfoLKRLswl3NyQx2Ngn yaO39Zda2lF3iu/W/1Is4k2/E97RZ5mzFxhImN1sRL5cE9OQLHDMIMVV5RpS2mHb UaeKyaPY+NiARdiRwHPYG8ucqBZC5yYIfLQRk4luEzkVV444BLdX9GkYPuWQTNEy morwD+4qd18xnnnKBQAXmMEHTYldq5DQcJmHzSj5tsQtRfCNECijwLFg1kwpe5ZD YceQlXA6BRcITk4XJxDrjcqcNWaAccXBorRnr9ESLiresTg0Qp4qwi9RhiR83nd6 hAXTm5XLlA+gng9zMf08LVhNanCZFD41hWxT6RB3xJTDT1+heeYrcvd5uQ3er4KJ Hv1iZz3hMU9jnvPzLPfR9y97fsembIhe7JON4z9cwkgfTg3Dn434BPPfUt+hFNeM sq67M5W0FAF8q1hJN3TI0pmx1MkItm3Y2r0bv8IekYYIElsdTxBJi50dyXB1tBmV 3bU52HjbSaJ9SGRsrPI1497NoWzxzMxsv2po2JJJUYTYtwxcHFMOvBYTOeVY4cAY v/4bxUBySwbnukGBAhGA =14yM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_8A758A72-149C-4FE3-8784-91D049A94112-- From nobody Thu Mar 9 07:10:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F61D129670 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 07:10:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=akamai.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hlXknFbiLh5m for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 07:10:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from prod-mail-xrelay08.akamai.com (prod-mail-xrelay08.akamai.com [96.6.114.112]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4007212945C for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 07:10:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from prod-mail-xrelay08.akamai.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by postfix.imss70 (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98200200054; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 15:10:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from prod-mail-relay09.akamai.com (prod-mail-relay09.akamai.com [172.27.22.68]) by prod-mail-xrelay08.akamai.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81DD9200053; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 15:10:49 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=akamai.com; s=a1; t=1489072249; bh=MG/mraUdQoMsLliw/kz+XQiEZFYJ9tKRyuAn0FIztK8=; l=195; h=From:To:Date:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=r72O9MPCxIJ18mVUEecJ52EJIUAtEJuiFlf6XaorBnuhnFhj/jHO6BZyZvfjh0lXH A8Aw7nUDbSdBZgwFaXBLV6ZqaZScrsJC/wCuveK9klAokxxivTwbLKShMA/YOYYjbG Ta3qs7k5z5gJwh6xcxdgr4YAo9BMG6G8qgfj6CCc= Received: from email.msg.corp.akamai.com (ecp.msg.corp.akamai.com [172.27.123.34]) by prod-mail-relay09.akamai.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692471E07C; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 15:10:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from USMA1EX-DAG1MB1.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.123.101) by usma1ex-dag1mb4.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.123.104) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1178.4; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 10:10:48 -0500 Received: from USMA1EX-DAG1MB1.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.123.101]) by usma1ex-dag1mb1.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.123.101]) with mapi id 15.00.1178.000; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 10:10:48 -0500 From: "Salz, Rich" To: Mark Nottingham , "ietf-and-github@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Ietf-and-github] Draft: requirements for third-party tools Thread-Index: AQHSk8E/pX4FbbLONUy2Zm7TIZoK66GMpu/Q Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 15:10:48 +0000 Message-ID: <449acbb8d7b047a19ca998c52d33fb50@usma1ex-dag1mb1.msg.corp.akamai.com> References: <246FA5A3-AEE4-4EBD-9FA4-7B3203B9E0BC@mnot.net> In-Reply-To: <246FA5A3-AEE4-4EBD-9FA4-7B3203B9E0BC@mnot.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [172.19.36.54] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Draft: requirements for third-party tools X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 15:10:51 -0000 > https://mnot.github.io/I-D/wugh-services/ A nice start. I think a separate section on web-based (which browsers) and command-line b= ased (which operating systems) would be worthwhile. From nobody Thu Mar 9 13:45:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8F0129435 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 13:45:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bh_abArfbyxI for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 13:45:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxout-07.mxes.net (mxout-07.mxes.net [216.86.168.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC3CC1294A1 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 13:45:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.3.100] (unknown [124.189.98.244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1EB5C22E256; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 16:45:27 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) From: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: <449acbb8d7b047a19ca998c52d33fb50@usma1ex-dag1mb1.msg.corp.akamai.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:45:25 +1100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <246FA5A3-AEE4-4EBD-9FA4-7B3203B9E0BC@mnot.net> <449acbb8d7b047a19ca998c52d33fb50@usma1ex-dag1mb1.msg.corp.akamai.com> To: "Salz, Rich" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) Archived-At: Cc: "ietf-and-github@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Draft: requirements for third-party tools X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 21:45:32 -0000 > On 10 Mar 2017, at 2:10 am, Salz, Rich wrote: >=20 >> https://mnot.github.io/I-D/wugh-services/ >=20 > A nice start. >=20 > I think a separate section on web-based (which browsers) and = command-line based (which operating systems) would be worthwhile. Thanks. The idea here is just to document our high-level requirements = for the third-party services/tools we use, which should be relatively = stable. Tool-specific advice / practices can go in another document (and it's = not clear that it would need to be an RFC). Or are you saying that there = are requirements specific to the type of tool that aren't captured yet? Cheers, -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Thu Mar 9 18:25:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450DF1294D6 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 18:25:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.702 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.702 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=akamai.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ocITOkc42Pmv for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 18:25:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from prod-mail-xrelay07.akamai.com (prod-mail-xrelay07.akamai.com [23.79.238.175]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ADBC1294E5 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 18:25:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from prod-mail-xrelay07.akamai.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by postfix.imss70 (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64BD643343C; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 23:16:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from prod-mail-relay11.akamai.com (prod-mail-relay11.akamai.com [172.27.118.250]) by prod-mail-xrelay07.akamai.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D18643343B; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 23:16:44 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=akamai.com; s=a1; t=1489101404; bh=Exgx4+Eygh99ADIOl/QPYnTgn4tTiTmuz6QSJZ5rw5k=; l=482; h=From:To:CC:Date:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=BqqLqRJbUGIVU8SKU78CtD3oWnVy7oufESdMrE8XW27IkNo99mGDPoFS26MbYzcw/ rVD3P5BCH2t9jMec5t9546ivrbnPMAmMzT7eYlXyZnnfD8MusQ8r1v/nLF061auN1G hn/dcS01RoI4mQyRBDLxb4Ji09Hu8ZdmY672lcHk= Received: from email.msg.corp.akamai.com (usma1ex-cas1.msg.corp.akamai.com [172.27.123.30]) by prod-mail-relay11.akamai.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F461FC88; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 23:16:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from USMA1EX-DAG1MB1.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.123.101) by usma1ex-dag1mb1.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.123.101) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1178.4; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 18:16:43 -0500 Received: from USMA1EX-DAG1MB1.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.123.101]) by usma1ex-dag1mb1.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.123.101]) with mapi id 15.00.1178.000; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 18:16:43 -0500 From: "Salz, Rich" To: Mark Nottingham Thread-Topic: [Ietf-and-github] Draft: requirements for third-party tools Thread-Index: AQHSk8E/pX4FbbLONUy2Zm7TIZoK66GMpu/QgADCS4D//8UKcA== Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 23:16:43 +0000 Message-ID: <383e8d0b63aa43fc8e475ee625c1a406@usma1ex-dag1mb1.msg.corp.akamai.com> References: <246FA5A3-AEE4-4EBD-9FA4-7B3203B9E0BC@mnot.net> <449acbb8d7b047a19ca998c52d33fb50@usma1ex-dag1mb1.msg.corp.akamai.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [172.19.32.72] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "ietf-and-github@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Draft: requirements for third-party tools X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 02:25:20 -0000 =20 > Tool-specific advice / practices can go in another document (and it's not= clear > that it would need to be an RFC). Or are you saying that there are > requirements specific to the type of tool that aren't captured yet? I think there are considerations, not necessarily requirements, that aren't= considered yet. For example, a web-based tool that uses JS to fully function is probably ok= ay. A command-line tool that only runs under DOS is probably not okay. From nobody Thu Mar 9 18:25:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BACAB1294E5 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 18:25:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.702 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.702 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=akamai.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aOG014frCMot for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 18:25:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from prod-mail-xrelay07.akamai.com (prod-mail-xrelay05.akamai.com [23.79.238.179]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D5D31294DF for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 18:25:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from prod-mail-xrelay07.akamai.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by postfix.imss70 (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06FF433447; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 23:26:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from prod-mail-relay11.akamai.com (prod-mail-relay11.akamai.com [172.27.118.250]) by prod-mail-xrelay07.akamai.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA94B43340F; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 23:26:04 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=akamai.com; s=a1; t=1489101964; bh=vkQZeDev3iTKo/YNwu3w2P2OEV1oUBRSaRA83a3ziVM=; l=32; h=From:To:CC:Date:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=T/56umSe4EQx/4TABWVD4LgtR14RViaLBcrKY4qfMaGZvJG8w+BLoyo3o+LcXB6YH 72z+IE1eJnllPBY+HFZOJ4gTNeATBeQJqElsHv3HmzsQSfbShhdnpqJHerRmsr5Mvl b4aHjBhXp1FQicnfznxP7XxCWbJJ9b9i4m4632A0= Received: from email.msg.corp.akamai.com (ecp.msg.corp.akamai.com [172.27.123.34]) by prod-mail-relay11.akamai.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0A31FC90; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 23:26:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from USMA1EX-DAG1MB1.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.123.101) by usma1ex-dag1mb6.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.123.65) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1178.4; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 15:26:04 -0800 Received: from USMA1EX-DAG1MB1.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.123.101]) by usma1ex-dag1mb1.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.123.101]) with mapi id 15.00.1178.000; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 18:26:04 -0500 From: "Salz, Rich" To: Mark Nottingham Thread-Topic: [Ietf-and-github] Draft: requirements for third-party tools Thread-Index: AQHSk8E/pX4FbbLONUy2Zm7TIZoK66GMpu/QgADCS4D//8UKcIAAVtSA//+sWhA= Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 23:26:03 +0000 Message-ID: References: <246FA5A3-AEE4-4EBD-9FA4-7B3203B9E0BC@mnot.net> <449acbb8d7b047a19ca998c52d33fb50@usma1ex-dag1mb1.msg.corp.akamai.com> <383e8d0b63aa43fc8e475ee625c1a406@usma1ex-dag1mb1.msg.corp.akamai.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [172.19.32.72] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "ietf-and-github@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Draft: requirements for third-party tools X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 02:25:21 -0000 =20 > Does that help? Yes. From nobody Thu Mar 9 18:53:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D20F129502 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 18:52:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jIHA3d1QHToL for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 18:52:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallback-in2.mxes.net (fallback-out2.mxes.net [216.86.168.191]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E94391294E6 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 18:52:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxout-07.mxes.net (mxout-07.mxes.net [216.86.168.182]) by fallback-in2.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF9A2FD7AF for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 18:25:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.3.104] (unknown [124.189.98.244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8B5DA22E1F3; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 18:25:12 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) From: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: <383e8d0b63aa43fc8e475ee625c1a406@usma1ex-dag1mb1.msg.corp.akamai.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 10:25:09 +1100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <246FA5A3-AEE4-4EBD-9FA4-7B3203B9E0BC@mnot.net> <449acbb8d7b047a19ca998c52d33fb50@usma1ex-dag1mb1.msg.corp.akamai.com> <383e8d0b63aa43fc8e475ee625c1a406@usma1ex-dag1mb1.msg.corp.akamai.com> To: "Salz, Rich" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) Archived-At: Cc: "ietf-and-github@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Draft: requirements for third-party tools X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 02:52:58 -0000 > On 10 Mar 2017, at 10:16 am, Salz, Rich wrote: >=20 >=20 >> Tool-specific advice / practices can go in another document (and it's = not clear >> that it would need to be an RFC). Or are you saying that there are >> requirements specific to the type of tool that aren't captured yet? >=20 > I think there are considerations, not necessarily requirements, that = aren't considered yet. >=20 > For example, a web-based tool that uses JS to fully function is = probably okay. A command-line tool that only runs under DOS is probably = not okay. I think this goes to accessibility -- if a tool doesn't run on the = platform that one of its users prefers, that's a problem. We should take = reasonable efforts to have tools that are usable across a spectrum of = common platforms -- e.g., Linux, Windows, OSX, Android, iOS. However, enumerating them is probably not a great place to go; neither = is requiring all of them. I could see saying something like: """ When choosing a tool, a Working Group MUST consider the breadth of = platform(s) it is available upon; tools that are platform-specific = SHOULD NOT be chosen unless there is consensus in the Working Group that = the benefits of using that tool outweigh this limitation, and no = suitable alternative is available. Tools that are specific to individual = users (e.g., the Editors) MAY be exempted from this requirement, = although the Working Group Chair(s) MUST approve of such choices. """ Does that help? -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Thu Mar 9 21:01:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B981294A7 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 21:01:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.602 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.602 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XrqIAE-VCzxx for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 21:00:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxout-07.mxes.net (mxout-07.mxes.net [216.86.168.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A41D12941C for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 21:00:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.3.104] (unknown [124.189.98.244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7D6C722E1F3; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 00:00:50 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) From: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: <10165B9B-98DB-4F8C-A1CD-017339AE00E7@piuha.net> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 16:00:47 +1100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4F33EAF2-FC26-4689-80A6-43FF37D09EB9@mnot.net> References: <246FA5A3-AEE4-4EBD-9FA4-7B3203B9E0BC@mnot.net> <10165B9B-98DB-4F8C-A1CD-017339AE00E7@piuha.net> To: Jari Arkko X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) Archived-At: Cc: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Draft: requirements for third-party tools X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 05:01:00 -0000 Done. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham-wugh-services-00 Cheers, > On 9 Mar 2017, at 10:54 pm, Jari Arkko wrote: > > I like this a lot! > > Definitely worth submitting. > > Jari > -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Thu Mar 9 21:08:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A488129469 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 21:08:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z0uEfqO2R_QG for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 21:08:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qk0-x22f.google.com (mail-qk0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC9D21288B8 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 21:08:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qk0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id p64so152874418qke.1 for ; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 21:08:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=+elTE24oBeb3QLT/91hTfd9qaQQLJxlmvA/w/e8twxY=; b=opqgRimgdxqf3L8e/hCWdglj/ZPznq2nJ+x7FY32S+Vbj7JwNCz+v0fb/BQhfw0ctl PZOfKuHONCv0brWiJS9wLFDAdxy6g98USAxBz8zjyY/O1+hMsIVkXvEZ01U0TvNYorrG X0I/rwniXeH0SwQP78Krxi3x/tDapw78UbEtOdqPBn5wB9/l3OjFX1b57+w102WMlTRr 7//OC7z2AZqKtUjvh1bzDqX8Gu7UW/DzBAB0mw4cHkl8P3380P+/Pqi7RdM2oJF5GLQo wHTLa3caTFDKF95MG+iXF6KUOnkLIIsHbfTtoxS5byYt2UrX3vgPGybd3pe8pIfeb/kq +QWg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+elTE24oBeb3QLT/91hTfd9qaQQLJxlmvA/w/e8twxY=; b=pv7vQklIk6TiQ2UqR89huEwglPwolD265OYS7NVBO+yGI9mMyvcCnzSDtqhdEmua5U PBh7NpZfD7oWPur/y6oIriutXhqSVUAyEmiFC56HTVg9TFCAWPjHcFH47poINsbGyJvK qAU2BSmc4Vm0IwY2wwVCnJUmxyf18bgqolBSjtntl1JDPD6ZxY58HNlZPzrK3v3RiEml FF7mvei2RAMe0vXj6RiDaL8n+YzSQxQhe0EzontPoguvN9MmlsJtUd9vpr7X/xfYzLs3 zrWeo1HR5Zi+X4/2r4bh7KXgNNVc5bO8Ciq4qWY9DkrsIpHvo6CBauIuknW4JRGadhq0 1WOg== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H1IPw3CpxfTh8POp3WJrmnnD497bVmv/B8FC0/g56JUVCCSmnasd9eoca/u1irdH/dxCQCD04FXI1G2mQ== X-Received: by 10.55.18.144 with SMTP id 16mr17778555qks.5.1489122495931; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 21:08:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.19.112 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 21:08:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F33EAF2-FC26-4689-80A6-43FF37D09EB9@mnot.net> References: <246FA5A3-AEE4-4EBD-9FA4-7B3203B9E0BC@mnot.net> <10165B9B-98DB-4F8C-A1CD-017339AE00E7@piuha.net> <4F33EAF2-FC26-4689-80A6-43FF37D09EB9@mnot.net> From: Martin Thomson Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 16:08:15 +1100 Message-ID: To: Mark Nottingham Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: ietf-and-github@ietf.org, Jari Arkko Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Draft: requirements for third-party tools X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 05:08:18 -0000 Inspired, I re-read this. One nit: "That said, backups SHOULD be in open formats (e.g., XML, JSON)." Use of XML or JSON is in no way exemplary of open. These meta-formats are perhaps more conducive to the creation of formats that are open, but there are enough counter-examples of XML and JSON abuse for proprietary ends that I would simply remove this parenthetical. Well-documented is - I think - what you really mean here. On 10 March 2017 at 16:00, Mark Nottingham wrote: > Done. > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham-wugh-services-00 > > Cheers, > > >> On 9 Mar 2017, at 10:54 pm, Jari Arkko wrote: >> >> I like this a lot! >> >> Definitely worth submitting. >> >> Jari >> > > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github From nobody Thu Mar 9 21:16:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2EE712941C for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 21:16:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.602 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.602 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04ed0cAw0G5c for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 21:16:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxout-07.mxes.net (mxout-07.mxes.net [216.86.168.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88DDD1295D0 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 21:16:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.3.104] (unknown [124.189.98.244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BEE2E22E1F3; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 00:16:04 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) From: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 16:16:01 +1100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <39360253-9AC1-4C67-A9A3-B6E0DFD328DF@mnot.net> References: <246FA5A3-AEE4-4EBD-9FA4-7B3203B9E0BC@mnot.net> <10165B9B-98DB-4F8C-A1CD-017339AE00E7@piuha.net> <4F33EAF2-FC26-4689-80A6-43FF37D09EB9@mnot.net> To: Martin Thomson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) Archived-At: Cc: ietf-and-github@ietf.org, Jari Arkko Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Draft: requirements for third-party tools X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 05:16:10 -0000 > On 10 Mar 2017, at 4:08 pm, Martin Thomson = wrote: >=20 > Inspired, I re-read this. One nit: >=20 > "That said, backups SHOULD be in open formats > (e.g., XML, JSON)." >=20 > Use of XML or JSON is in no way exemplary of open. These meta-formats > are perhaps more conducive to the creation of formats that are open, > but there are enough counter-examples of XML and JSON abuse for > proprietary ends that I would simply remove this parenthetical. > Well-documented is - I think - what you really mean here. I didn't want to intimate that content had to be in an open / standard = format.=20 "Well-documented" is better, but the Github issues format isn't = particularly well-documented; it's more self-documenting (the closest = they seem to come is a few examples in = ). When push comes to shove = that will suffice for our purposes. -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Sat Mar 11 17:34:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4AD129739 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2017 17:34:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rqv3ITefM5wH for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2017 17:34:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.proper.com (Opus1.Proper.COM [207.182.41.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B49971294CF for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2017 17:34:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.32.60.79] (142-254-101-176.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [142.254.101.176]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.proper.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id v2C1YZSk056665 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2017 18:34:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.proper.com: Host 142-254-101-176.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [142.254.101.176] claimed to be [10.32.60.79] From: "Paul Hoffman" To: Ietf-and-github@ietf.org Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 17:34:39 -0800 Message-ID: <33CDDC62-961B-43AE-A08F-749BD9AEC5E0@vpnc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.6r5347) Archived-At: Subject: [Ietf-and-github] BoF meeting in Chicago X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 01:34:43 -0000 Greetings. The General ADs have said that there will be a WUGH (WGs Using GitHub) BoF session in Chicago. Unless some very late change gets made, it will be Monday March 27, 1710-1810 Chicago local time / 2310-0010 UTC. They have asked me to chair the BoF. At this point, there are two active drafts that we can discuss: - , "Using Third Party Services for IETF Work" - , "Using GitHub at the IETF" Given that we only have an hour, I tentatively propose the following agenda: Brief intro to the BoF - 5 mins Roll call of WGs actively using GitHub - 10 minutes Let people in the room see people whom they talk to later Third-party services, draft-nottingham-wugh-services - 10 mins Basics of WGs using GitHub, draft-thomson-github-bcp - 20 mins Short non-slide presentations on issues people have come across - remainder Does this sound like the right focus for the hour? --Paul Hoffman From nobody Sun Mar 12 18:05:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F175112940C for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:05:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c113rrwbCH84 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x236.google.com (mail-qk0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC27312711D for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:05:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x236.google.com with SMTP id v125so208309344qkh.2 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:05:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=xfBaLJymODVA4CHgBi8rJJu3jClRkPo48Co2ebB8vp4=; b=XObh+6P6UNEQUJqsO1XRrGOm5RMkc1ddXr1wNLMoUrbYw72qszeeV/7c/X1gqNJ+Cq o6meist/6hK0f6ZQd09qM2/9Qs2FMZ9Ul8kV1lr3vW6me1yiDvSsVfhS06gVrSiFt4Ot sziFHp+sk/FMZyEjH98ViGvF1kF4ZeU0rUa4Pec3r/JXCXNgosTQiLJF1fQm+9n3n4Re md6cQhOzydjDEvPhU/TNaM6x2Cb8rkM0h2thoVV+BsRqoEVF1DlXHmqerRhtJ4bz7YYG LR22+lB4E17V1rj04VXAwyaUXpbCPBJ65i+da63VeSsE/9v5WzE1PnHqxWRPvp8TUNTB pxCw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=xfBaLJymODVA4CHgBi8rJJu3jClRkPo48Co2ebB8vp4=; b=S5TYX/9LqCv0iFNoM7XUVgYnurdZovJW269wsWf96Zv7dHp6m/MOPFDKglf5ksMDLK jQXTY5FA/fw+NcxKmtau9FzLAwXelsn65R71u1/PI6++RQF4fBUMmfJKUqtNoaKHif6G qvVuEOe51a34n0jJ4Mgp2lLQj4SoNYLzCJDr/PEqMeGe++CY/QTY0Mrb4/1lee63DWim zYqna8z66jXylkGhgC/TNvKPlHlWm5SfGJLQ/HDDDiyaaioakz2B2H88pya1YTcJ4pYc F4mauDd5fDYD1Xh6wbQQbzPJia7B2+xSJ3C8KuJzsK8bP1CPVYYTxFQ8FsfR42mW3+yw djEg== X-Gm-Message-State: AMke39l3G1/ACkFREAkRPIaFc68KaDefItx9m9wKU419utWg0t4w8jsvTcBqin1NILqrS7yz14Vvqb/90MhzAQ== X-Received: by 10.233.216.68 with SMTP id u65mr28769011qkf.68.1489367106953; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:05:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.27.194 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:05:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <33CDDC62-961B-43AE-A08F-749BD9AEC5E0@vpnc.org> References: <33CDDC62-961B-43AE-A08F-749BD9AEC5E0@vpnc.org> From: Martin Thomson Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 12:05:06 +1100 Message-ID: To: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: Ietf-and-github@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] BoF meeting in Chicago X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 01:05:12 -0000 I don't have any concerns with how we spend the time, but I do want to ask what we think the focus should be, see below. On 12 March 2017 at 12:34, Paul Hoffman wrote: > Roll call of WGs actively using GitHub - 10 minutes > Let people in the room see people whom they talk to later Want to start the roll-call here so that we can at least include a seed list? Not all of the relevant people are going to be in the room. I assume that you want a 10 second synopsis of what it is used for at the meeting (the Readers Digest version of what the github-bcp draft appendicies includes). > Third-party services, draft-nottingham-wugh-services - 10 mins > Basics of WGs using GitHub, draft-thomson-github-bcp - 20 mins It would be good if we can try to focus on addressing some questions. Both of these drafts imply some questions, if only the question of "is this something that makes sense as an RFC?", but we might want to try to find some concrete actions other than the movement of paper. I don't think that we're going to have people mandate or forbid any particular work mode, but we might want to consider whether there is any desire to ask the Secretariat for specific types of support, for example. From nobody Sun Mar 12 18:34:30 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A5112711D for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:34:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8RoBB5hnf8hi for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.proper.com (Opus1.Proper.COM [207.182.41.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73B941293F5 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.32.60.80] (142-254-101-176.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [142.254.101.176]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.proper.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id v2D1YJUE030673 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:34:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.proper.com: Host 142-254-101-176.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [142.254.101.176] claimed to be [10.32.60.80] From: "Paul Hoffman" To: "Martin Thomson" Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:34:23 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <33CDDC62-961B-43AE-A08F-749BD9AEC5E0@vpnc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.6r5347) Archived-At: Cc: Ietf-and-github@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] BoF meeting in Chicago X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 01:34:29 -0000 On 12 Mar 2017, at 18:05, Martin Thomson wrote: > I don't have any concerns with how we spend the time, but I do want to > ask what we think the focus should be, see below. > > On 12 March 2017 at 12:34, Paul Hoffman wrote: >> Roll call of WGs actively using GitHub - 10 minutes >> Let people in the room see people whom they talk to later > > Want to start the roll-call here so that we can at least include a > seed list? Not all of the relevant people are going to be in the > room. Yes, I was going to do that (if people liked the idea) and I would have the WG names in the slides. > I assume that you want a 10 second synopsis of what it is used for at > the meeting (the Readers Digest version of what the github-bcp draft > appendicies includes). Yes, exactly. httpbis: "Almost all our documents, using pull requests liberally." dnsop: "A few documents, and people still seem to want to bring issues up on the list but like tracking them as GitHub issues". ... >> Third-party services, draft-nottingham-wugh-services - 10 mins >> Basics of WGs using GitHub, draft-thomson-github-bcp - 20 mins > > It would be good if we can try to focus on addressing some questions. > Both of these drafts imply some questions, if only the question of "is > this something that makes sense as an RFC?", but we might want to try > to find some concrete actions other than the movement of paper. Yes. I want people to add questions to Mark's document, and experiences to yours. I think the question of "should this be an RFC" can be done better on this list after the meeting because we only have an hour. (I do note that we are the last meeting on Monday, so some folks might want to continue the conversations over deep-dish pizza...) > I don't think that we're going to have people mandate or forbid any > particular work mode, but we might want to consider whether there is > any desire to ask the Secretariat for specific types of support, for > example. Yes, definitely. One thing that came up in conversation was "should the GitHub page for a document be listed on the Datatracker"? --Paul Hoffman From nobody Wed Mar 15 10:41:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C345D131733 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:41:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WyT-4AuTQZgq for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.proper.com (Opus1.Proper.COM [207.182.41.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E751C131747 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.32.60.163] (142-254-101-176.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [142.254.101.176]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.proper.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id v2FHfNmw016340 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:41:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.proper.com: Host 142-254-101-176.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [142.254.101.176] claimed to be [10.32.60.163] From: "Paul Hoffman" To: Ietf-and-github@ietf.org Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:41:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.6r5347) Archived-At: Subject: [Ietf-and-github] Roll call for WGs using GitHub X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:41:32 -0000 In preparation for the BoF, I'd like to get a list of WGs using GitHub. I'll put these in the BoF slides for future reference. Can at least one person from each WG what is the style of GitHub use in the WG? Some reasonable responses are: - GitHub is used for a few docs, based on author preferences - GitHub is used for most or all docs - issue tracking only, pull requests are rare - issue tracking and pull requests are common - all significant doc changes happen by pull request - issues from the mailing list are turned into GitHub issues - some issues are tracked on the mailing list, others on GitHub Prose is welcome. --Paul Hoffman From nobody Wed Mar 15 11:47:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA1871317B0 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 11:47:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A864O4kNN8jY for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 11:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x22d.google.com (mail-io0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C79C1317B3 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 11:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id b140so26729067iof.1 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 11:47:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:organization:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4NlDesLyBdDI0aO0iP3vOtr8Sxn5C8VMTKy0rmCxsqU=; b=b/3N5vkGn+IloQ51bHYhJit8veuOJtNCIV4FPH5qbjqStgIN65aIPrKrSp6/zjQ5It 6je6L+SkltP8e5PZuWywI/49cCxVpRg8LUVPkkgwC+FztoSLNdKtAlOoIqb/yBEcLCjE ByenWyyopjdUgz1Ab/N1E72LWJ1P/dB+6uxMdksE8LXabqWtLd5K3E4GILSVLagMsHOU mC6Xox6ononfpf+9klMzBBCZ2cTrlIghpa2y6C5J3O8pNBVJxF+R7oPLmoxa2U3Ipzrm ecprZp4Zvu0iw9SG6XOdbQt1TtY5JTaWEbP+d1BldEZVjpc6zrPCVSVG94XFENGxdCUK BchQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:organization :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4NlDesLyBdDI0aO0iP3vOtr8Sxn5C8VMTKy0rmCxsqU=; b=NTDzNGnOG0WfdWfcjzjkKh1nDP8fGgGnFuLLwjkGncw74mwtTQV3XuyUvIMu3Z2P82 3EhbiqPIlg37LJGetz2PrOVpwfCPk4ZoINSmijlU0zPXk1YB0OXkJacuFoswObkoNkpH menZZ/7JSqmjoERy1vq648e8RXNUrUYlsI+YXQeQOBcS9n1a2inof9FCBEtfiaz2unrJ 0+0S9bA+rZzhCMl0lQnV4QD5kZ4WXvPmJgnqcIhZ5i6aBW0S0zxIpOL0Tw0HRVEsi796 OvwmhKf8FTwcYUzG7nmyiVpVF/xGi5Vbh4KCdBft7en233J0UfRzxUjVx1kVyYjJnE2D rVTA== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H0euuf5xeuDtkRb2IgmyBiX7esZoBwKu1jxq81h9vEiGSuF6lvT6BhRSKYzgN2nKg== X-Received: by 10.107.5.139 with SMTP id 133mr269125iof.107.1489603627897; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 11:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.11.95] (50-76-68-137-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [50.76.68.137]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j85sm1851464iod.27.2017.03.15.11.47.07 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Mar 2017 11:47:07 -0700 (PDT) To: Paul Hoffman , Ietf-and-github@ietf.org References: From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <03c55588-a795-13be-70a0-adbafdb78efe@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 07:47:14 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Roll call for WGs using GitHub X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 18:47:10 -0000 In case nobody else from the ANIMA WG replies: > - GitHub is used for a few docs, based on author preferences afaik, neither issue tracking nor pull requests are used; I think all the usage is as a simple depository. And the WG Chairs have not taken up the idea of a GitHub organiztion for the WG. Brian From nobody Wed Mar 15 12:12:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1CE1317CC for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 12:12:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0iS9ohB3H60U for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 12:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 045E31317CE for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 12:12:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.201.11]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v2FJCVfh024998; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 20:12:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.217.124] (p5DCCCDC2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.204.205.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3vk1Sv56W6zDJ0C; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 20:12:31 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 20:12:31 +0100 Cc: Ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 511297950.901438-8673956c8ba78ce79daf61d320e88cc5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5C5ACB85-56E4-46C0-8586-A0360A59529C@tzi.org> References: To: Paul Hoffman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Roll call for WGs using GitHub X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 19:12:37 -0000 Most of the WGs in the constrained node/network (=E2=80=9CIoT=E2=80=9D) = cluster are somewhere between > - GitHub is used for a few docs, based on author preferences and > - GitHub is used for most or all docs To wit: https://github.com/lwig-wg https://github.com/6lo https://github.com/core-wg https://github.com/cbor-wg *)? https://github.com/cose-wg *) https://github.com/lp-wan *) But in most of these WGs the styles are different from document to = document; only the ones marked with a star are more consistent (some of = these WGs are very new). (We also used to have some documents that lived in the personal repos of = authors.) Most documents still are: > - issue tracking only, pull requests are rare but some are > - issue tracking and pull requests are common (e.g., in CoRE, coap-tcp-tls and oscoap), and these pretty much qualify = for: > - all significant doc changes happen by pull request by now. 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charset=us-ascii QUIC: everything happens on GitHub, and if it didn't originate their, = it's being moved and tracked there > On 2017-3-15, at 18:41, Paul Hoffman wrote: >=20 > In preparation for the BoF, I'd like to get a list of WGs using = GitHub. I'll put these in the BoF slides for future reference. Can at = least one person from each WG what is the style of GitHub use in the WG? = Some reasonable responses are: >=20 > - GitHub is used for a few docs, based on author preferences > - GitHub is used for most or all docs > - issue tracking only, pull requests are rare > - issue tracking and pull requests are common > - all significant doc changes happen by pull request > - issues from the mailing list are turned into GitHub issues > - some issues are tracked on the mailing list, others on GitHub >=20 > Prose is welcome. >=20 > --Paul Hoffman >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github --Apple-Mail=_C48D86A1-8877-4BAF-937A-BA1D73B9B605 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJYyZTDAAoJEFS1wwm/cMFXAZwP/jzigOCp8RpcBt9o+qp6HssJ 59OblC0NtsB5JEv0jB9RmHo2ohgl1RcjaUJHRB0lVy3FEhvKwA5ptz4/WFq0m9QB DqLEVUi2/ex1uM8YQJIMiUoGq+5Noc8YRcW44GGbgBjklL+2IxsxynPYkfnLvYK/ K7JObvS8cPLjIo/H8+RT4Fl9kEr+IoeXomIUgl0ifrkzB5w2xjJvxlMR2/FXTYBU wEP48ET2uH3rNt5IS8n8XFm9Snq8etrtA3l+//1Bx7jiRhljXb+shJ7TRhV9VhSz yVkBEpuZ3zO3GZh87R04SYIgP7Grz98UzvxvEXc61gBOEzbFMhwYg/sYShvOHwja hBMqLqydR7FDPH+oyEzcP+JpFr9E+BXJrvm0/tV7E5iuxG/zNYT4xgMsW9VMlzlH 1eylVqFn6ECcNSzaFUKACsnAP32T6f2yjRa4mrH4C+Xk3Y0LgCR2TmB6pEFudzjU yR1wDSLtqZ4NYnfGTzHCcRmnWDbg/ehFBSplCqFkf5wrFqiWRQg9hjbYa5nRly18 RfhBtHRuPATujJbBaglB10mjbne7BUwKACDTz56XPoEauS3TYKmzpGgdbebxkUYB bSIxLcDnI7muM/LU5y7sIgz15BR5KScXFgrUZASy5Nr1jLE0Rk4XIYFvZmBo5OTi gFbnp01kxmehUaE2XZFF =S1q9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_C48D86A1-8877-4BAF-937A-BA1D73B9B605-- From nobody Wed Mar 15 22:25:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64D4120724 for ; 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Wed, 15 Mar 2017 22:25:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.27.194 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 22:25:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Martin Thomson Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 16:25:09 +1100 Message-ID: To: Paul Hoffman Cc: Ietf-and-github@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Roll call for WGs using GitHub X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 05:25:12 -0000 Based on participation only, others may correct these. HTTPBIS - all working group drafts are in a single repo (this is not working out great) and all issues are tracked there; discussion is on github; materials like agendas and meeting arrangements are on github too TLS - some, but not all drafts are there. TLS 1.3 uses issues and PRs extensively, other drafts less so. RTCWEB - it varies, but most docs are on github WEBPUSH - drafts and issues on github, discussion on the list ACME - drafts and issues on github, discussion on the list TRANS - appear to have a draft on github and issues in trac (shudder) ICE - I'm not paying much attention there, but they seem to use github a little MMUSIC - some individuals are using github, but the working group doesn't On 16 March 2017 at 04:41, Paul Hoffman wrote: > In preparation for the BoF, I'd like to get a list of WGs using GitHub. I'll > put these in the BoF slides for future reference. Can at least one person > from each WG what is the style of GitHub use in the WG? Some reasonable > responses are: > > - GitHub is used for a few docs, based on author preferences > - GitHub is used for most or all docs > - issue tracking only, pull requests are rare > - issue tracking and pull requests are common > - all significant doc changes happen by pull request > - issues from the mailing list are turned into GitHub issues > - some issues are tracked on the mailing list, others on GitHub > > Prose is welcome. > > --Paul Hoffman > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github From nobody Wed Mar 15 22:49:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874FB124281 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 22:49:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.602 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.602 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b_Do6zKwGHFZ for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 22:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-07.mxes.net (mxout-07.mxes.net [216.86.168.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA37312422F for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 22:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.3.104] (unknown [124.189.98.244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8447B22E255; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 01:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) From: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 16:49:35 +1100 Cc: Paul Hoffman , Ietf-and-github@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Martin Thomson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Roll call for WGs using GitHub X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 05:49:48 -0000 > On 16 Mar 2017, at 4:25 pm, Martin Thomson = wrote: >=20 > HTTPBIS - all working group drafts are in a single repo (this is not > working out great yes, we know you have an axe to grind... > ) and all issues are tracked there; discussion is on > github; materials like agendas and meeting arrangements are on github > too Also WG home page -- . -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Wed Mar 15 22:56:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C5F124282 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 22:56:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zsJymuSjcjbD for ; 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charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Roll call for WGs using GitHub X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 05:56:21 -0000 On 16 March 2017 at 16:49, Mark Nottingham wrote: > yes, we know you have an axe to grind... I have many axes. From nobody Wed Mar 15 23:30:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C58D1250B8; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:30:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r5Qr-FbFMy_G; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CCC54124D6C; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:30:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.201.11]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v2G6U4vO017753; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 07:30:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.217.124] (p5DCCCDC2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.204.205.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3vkJVg6JRyzDJ6h; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 07:30:03 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 07:30:02 +0100 Cc: Ietf-and-github@ietf.org, t2trg-chairs@irtf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 511338602.417857-e0950d757d2205698407cced88ff5f0a Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <96BEC943-3FF1-4E93-A403-78C465239EC3@tzi.org> References: To: Paul Hoffman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Roll call for WGs using GitHub X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 06:30:13 -0000 Not an answer to the question, but Mark=E2=80=99s mention of the HTTPBIS = home page makes me think of what may be another interesting data point: Friday last week, we had another joint meeting between T2TRG and OCF, a = prominent IoT standards organization that has been rather good in = picking up and making good use of IETF standards. A perennial issue is = how we can make sure that information flows freely between IETF/IRTF and = OCF. =20 One observation in the room was that github repositories and their issue = tracking are perceived as quite accessible by OCF people. So we took it = as an item for potential improvement to make sure these are documented = and structured in such a way that they indeed can be used well by = organizations outside the IETF/IRTF. (In keeping with the original question: T2TRG uses github extensively, = not just for drafts, but also for meeting materials.) 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[50.76.68.137]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i7sm3002598ioe.48.2017.03.16.07.19.58 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 16 Mar 2017 07:19:58 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org References: From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 03:20:08 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Ietf-and-github] Single repo vs organization? X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 14:20:14 -0000 So could somebody with experience set out the pros and cons of (a single repo per WG) vs (an 'organization' with a repo per draft)? Regards Brian On 16/03/2017 18:49, Mark Nottingham wrote: > >> On 16 Mar 2017, at 4:25 pm, Martin Thomson wrote: >> >> HTTPBIS - all working group drafts are in a single repo (this is not >> working out great > > yes, we know you have an axe to grind... > >> ) and all issues are tracked there; discussion is on >> github; materials like agendas and meeting arrangements are on github >> too > > Also WG home page -- . > > > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github > . > From nobody Thu Mar 16 10:08:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8CEE127011 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:08:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mm9Py2yEaYev for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smarthost1.greenhost.nl (smarthost1.greenhost.nl [195.190.28.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AA341296C5 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.greenhost.nl ([213.108.104.138]) by smarthost1.greenhost.nl with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1coYtA-000857-6a; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 18:08:36 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 18:08:33 +0100 From: Niels ten Oever To: Martin Thomson Cc: Paul Hoffman , Ietf-and-github@ietf.org Message-ID: <20170316170833.5x2utc74awnqdmeg@mir> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="itmmjh4wbys6s2on" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) X-Authenticated-As-Hash: 29cc722430e8f1f6ed904119444c0d49b0f3ee91 X-Virus-Scanned: by clamav at smarthost1.samage.net X-Scan-Signature: a9e4b997d6a751f3e45cb47a3c2b1d2c Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Roll call for WGs using GitHub X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 17:08:42 -0000 --itmmjh4wbys6s2on Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HRPC - all documents (incl agendas, presentations, etc) on Github in repo o= f one of the co-chairs. Discussion on the list, no single place where issue= s are being tracked. https://github.com/nllz/IRTF-HRPC/ On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 04:25:09PM +1100, Martin Thomson wrote: > Based on participation only, others may correct these. >=20 > HTTPBIS - all working group drafts are in a single repo (this is not > working out great) and all issues are tracked there; discussion is on > github; materials like agendas and meeting arrangements are on github > too >=20 > TLS - some, but not all drafts are there. TLS 1.3 uses issues and PRs > extensively, other drafts less so. >=20 > RTCWEB - it varies, but most docs are on github >=20 > WEBPUSH - drafts and issues on github, discussion on the list >=20 > ACME - drafts and issues on github, discussion on the list >=20 > TRANS - appear to have a draft on github and issues in trac (shudder) >=20 > ICE - I'm not paying much attention there, but they seem to use github a = little >=20 > MMUSIC - some individuals are using github, but the working group doesn't >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 16 March 2017 at 04:41, Paul Hoffman wrote: > > In preparation for the BoF, I'd like to get a list of WGs using GitHub.= I'll > > put these in the BoF slides for future reference. Can at least one pers= on > > from each WG what is the style of GitHub use in the WG? Some reasonable > > responses are: > > > > - GitHub is used for a few docs, based on author preferences > > - GitHub is used for most or all docs > > - issue tracking only, pull requests are rare > > - issue tracking and pull requests are common > > - all significant doc changes happen by pull request > > - issues from the mailing list are turned into GitHub issues > > - some issues are tracked on the mailing list, others on GitHub > > > > Prose is welcome. > > > > --Paul Hoffman > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ietf-and-github mailing list > > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github --=20 Niels ten Oever Head of Digital Article 19 www.article19.org PGP fingerprint 2458 0B70 5C4A FD8A 9488 =20 643A 0ED8 3F3A 468A C8B3 --itmmjh4wbys6s2on Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEJFgLcFxK/YqUiGQ6Dtg/OkaKyLMFAljKxpEACgkQDtg/OkaK yLMeSA/+PBJf9NBPQisdp0F7DgmBxPDMMPoeoSvPLdzYAQZq3czA8CTvXyWtgDS+ 3gr6ybLFtCpgLaBEmp104z8yxCDfL1bO6QM6RGR9npQoOhkDYLuk+YMDUUK+r88b sAFfRJaagjNWi0zle9FoPkXLns121GqDimhwhXv+zPPKw5DElX+CTtaKhn+gCviQ FN/WJX0ohfAe46zTi0Ed2QILXi0u50prPCvz9f34qHBC1YGxYkm1WFuObrhByGq1 bgy+15TeWYuxobRuq2J5sGXy+dsG5ZHNMD9LQoXhUvBE6hMqf23KVjTGeKTYz34D S+u3Mmp1kv3miz6DeyQtMtuD6qcyXZqKmDq4zrNgry06eztdrh+0JGFj8PDd13tr uTTdiEMjp0qmBXkSL5ieDrKW3CK3kZ93ruS1QSa5+KxlLwuWKWMJCIba/sxN3pS2 tzFlSKtZbXc5x0laC/WYNFnG1k3e3/rW3krPpTF/9vgz5yKKkIaLn7I42QvSEMOr L1VARd6P/Y+vorwOyQ0EDOcsrirJVo3WzCz7M7yc/jBMWTxg8QmZAx7XJitNot+0 EfCfM+qmBtfK4+qxaXqLn3RlCIJllFceSwSSL7zx5+3b7BwMk85tjCjFy76cTqiz gP9W1+A6MWgAxcb/Pvpnsu9JujY0HTMMRv1fdYr2ooldR9F3vaA= =ml90 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --itmmjh4wbys6s2on-- From nobody Thu Mar 16 15:11:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1AB2129AF2 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:11:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.602 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.602 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5m7bpSm7iIE1 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-07.mxes.net (mxout-07.mxes.net [216.86.168.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4A97129AD3 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.3.104] (unknown [124.189.98.244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6C8FB22E255; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 18:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) From: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 09:11:01 +1100 Cc: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <182C3216-14F6-4D29-AF6B-54FAF71666E8@mnot.net> References: To: Brian E Carpenter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Single repo vs organization? X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 22:11:14 -0000 =46rom an end user perspective, having a single-repo-per-draft is = preferable; it means you can easily subscribe to updates for just that = draft, and don't have extraneous notifications, etc. The repo itself has = less information it in as well (naturally), meaning there's less = overhead for clones, etc. However, creating a repo-per-draft has more administrative overhead. = Martin's template repo takes a fair amount of pain out of it, but making = sure that things like README, CONTRIBUTING, e-mail notifications to a = list, permissions, etc. etc. are set up correctly is not trivial.=20 Personally, I'm less concerned about the amount of work than I am about = the risk of getting something wrong on some repo and not noticing. Having said that, I think if we were starting HTTPbis from scratch right = now, we'd do a repo-per-draft. One caveat -- I think there's agreement that in at least one situation, = more than one repo-per-draft is preferable. That's when there is a set = of highly interrelated drafts that are likely to share issues, and = possibly have text migrate between them. We consciously made this = decision for the QUIC drafts. Cheers, > On 17 Mar 2017, at 1:20 am, Brian E Carpenter = wrote: >=20 > So could somebody with experience set out the pros and cons of > (a single repo per WG) vs (an 'organization' with a repo per draft)? >=20 > Regards > Brian >=20 > On 16/03/2017 18:49, Mark Nottingham wrote: >>=20 >>> On 16 Mar 2017, at 4:25 pm, Martin Thomson = wrote: >>>=20 >>> HTTPBIS - all working group drafts are in a single repo (this is not >>> working out great >>=20 >> yes, we know you have an axe to grind... >>=20 >>> ) and all issues are tracked there; discussion is on >>> github; materials like agendas and meeting arrangements are on = github >>> too >>=20 >> Also WG home page -- . >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf-and-github mailing list >> Ietf-and-github@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github >> . >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Thu Mar 16 15:19:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D04129B08 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:19:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.602 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.602 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HMe5KIy_ifiG for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:19:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-07.mxes.net (mxout-07.mxes.net [216.86.168.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DAAD3129ADF for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:19:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.3.104] (unknown [124.189.98.244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 74EB422E1FA; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 18:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) From: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: <182C3216-14F6-4D29-AF6B-54FAF71666E8@mnot.net> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 09:18:59 +1100 Cc: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9BD2BEB3-2804-41C9-B8F1-22735B9AB017@mnot.net> References: <182C3216-14F6-4D29-AF6B-54FAF71666E8@mnot.net> To: Brian E Carpenter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Single repo vs organization? X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 22:19:06 -0000 > On 17 Mar 2017, at 9:11 am, Mark Nottingham wrote: > > more than one repo-per-draft is preferable ... draft-per-repo. More coffee. -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Thu Mar 16 15:35:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66000129B07 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:35:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p4UK40s6BHJ9 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74A2A129B10 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:35:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::b]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v2GMZX8B013222; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 23:35:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.217.124] (p5DCCCDC2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.204.205.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3vkjwj3cnXzDGx4; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 23:35:33 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <182C3216-14F6-4D29-AF6B-54FAF71666E8@mnot.net> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 23:35:32 +0100 Cc: Brian E Carpenter , ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 511396532.759017-014b0a425e301ffb09e17e100d85f7b5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <46A5629D-57F0-4F39-BE8C-5E94CA67C404@tzi.org> References: <182C3216-14F6-4D29-AF6B-54FAF71666E8@mnot.net> To: Mark Nottingham X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Single repo vs organization? X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 22:35:42 -0000 +1 for all of the below. One repo per draft, all of which are in a per-WG organization, is the = default model for the groups I=E2=80=99m chairing/advising on this. = (Yes, Martin=E2=80=99s template helps, but I get at least one detail = wrong each time I set one up. Takes about 30 min per repo; could be = much faster with some more tooling.) We tried multiple drafts per repo for CoRE's COMI cluster (interrelated = drafts again). Kind of worked, but maybe our drafts weren=E2=80=99t = that much interrelated. A multi-draft repo may also have a very large team so it becomes harder = to know who should be doing what. One repo per draft probably also is more accessible for external = observers. My most recent PR for Lars=E2=80=99 original draft about github said: +For most repos, a CI (continuous integration) process is set up that +generates a readable editor's copy (in HTML form) as well as a diff +from the most recent submitted version (tools TXT diff), linked from +the README; both have turned out to be very valuable. (Unfortunately, = the +travis-based CI process is somewhat brittle, so there is an +appreciable failure rate.) The github.io page resulting from the CI is less confusing for a = single-draft repo. (As discussed, github-savvy authors sometimes get lazy pushing drafts = into I-Ds again. This may lead to extended work happening on github = only. Not good. The tools TXT diff is really useful as long as it does = not have to explain multiple reorganizations of the document.) We also have a few drafts in individual=E2=80=99s github accounts. This = is much less accessible. I generally favor moving drafts into the WG organization even *before* = they become adopted WG drafts. That may be slightly confusing for = outsiders (might get the idea something is adopted that isn=E2=80=99t), = but gets people primed on the issues/PR process even before adoption. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > On 16 Mar 2017, at 23:11, Mark Nottingham wrote: >=20 > =46rom an end user perspective, having a single-repo-per-draft is = preferable; it means you can easily subscribe to updates for just that = draft, and don't have extraneous notifications, etc. The repo itself has = less information it in as well (naturally), meaning there's less = overhead for clones, etc. >=20 > However, creating a repo-per-draft has more administrative overhead. = Martin's template repo takes a fair amount of pain out of it, but making = sure that things like README, CONTRIBUTING, e-mail notifications to a = list, permissions, etc. etc. are set up correctly is not trivial.=20 >=20 > Personally, I'm less concerned about the amount of work than I am = about the risk of getting something wrong on some repo and not noticing. >=20 > Having said that, I think if we were starting HTTPbis from scratch = right now, we'd do a repo-per-draft. >=20 > One caveat -- I think there's agreement that in at least one = situation, more than one repo-per-draft is preferable. That's when there = is a set of highly interrelated drafts that are likely to share issues, = and possibly have text migrate between them. We consciously made this = decision for the QUIC drafts. >=20 > Cheers, >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On 17 Mar 2017, at 1:20 am, Brian E Carpenter = wrote: >>=20 >> So could somebody with experience set out the pros and cons of >> (a single repo per WG) vs (an 'organization' with a repo per draft)? >>=20 >> Regards >> Brian >>=20 >> On 16/03/2017 18:49, Mark Nottingham wrote: >>>=20 >>>> On 16 Mar 2017, at 4:25 pm, Martin Thomson = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> HTTPBIS - all working group drafts are in a single repo (this is = not >>>> working out great >>>=20 >>> yes, we know you have an axe to grind... >>>=20 >>>> ) and all issues are tracked there; discussion is on >>>> github; materials like agendas and meeting arrangements are on = github >>>> too >>>=20 >>> Also WG home page -- . >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -- >>> Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ietf-and-github mailing list >>> Ietf-and-github@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github >>> . >>>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf-and-github mailing list >> Ietf-and-github@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github >=20 > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github >=20 From nobody Thu Mar 16 15:38:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323A7129B13 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:38:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CEkXBPxojKre for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x236.google.com (mail-it0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECD89129B10 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:38:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x236.google.com with SMTP id m27so5130645iti.0 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:38:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=to:from:subject:organization:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=K125qe1esBDlcGdYYzEHZR9EHw4ZxKW2pJQx22CDvaQ=; b=uO6IXDqgSuuBHvVuId94Wc4GX88G9DWXpJB+SQz2saxjy7RDTk/SHPaSyJKgUL3iEx EVz9SSg4Ucyhri/8uwO0s9csgLhujum9H4j+S96OxhpaRFFmsH/FTl9canTywJg2jA7O xXwxeJEeSnvbjz+AzYkwvj1979mdw1Udk5bNvsVTtklURRy2fLZ+g5J1bHDr/NGDlMju QfGnPtUJLKGx0GO1HZo3DVXSQXoFDkHLPD5g4H2DkI7qNS0nYj3HkhwEud+hZkmVwKJs DYYYvcq0XiKU5a65dtuIFg3dOrkZTLQ/G29VgegE6HIyFcj+r2XmR0KtFlwRlOZCDo7S 1ATw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:to:from:subject:organization:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=K125qe1esBDlcGdYYzEHZR9EHw4ZxKW2pJQx22CDvaQ=; b=r3Y1THQ/i/+sscTOMeRcoE1O8kZ5OSzZRfya1P5Z5sox2hKQcjGacD4xUIGtfHXdCO 0J8mzncygnte/9xi4keYtNJIhbPrTDKwsvNY/G5F5GS/lLXPLjce8sahW3ZXHdNIL0bf FY7gyLK8Yi7k4IrTBF6sLLgpZWr42MkH4A9gwOmrm0qGn1lFCY5VVDAg1Pd5vV+lgCOz gMSSqK0HpJ5VKWwrdWBw2bVkRNSl1OnqITOlWdUT6x7zmc1jfXlfJq21I6Q2OJ1Ejqib 8E0SDWlpypztQ+rZCcY2WQM31mgoj5nqTJDdr//0y+m99X+dskDu5bobayiT2zuxjIyE la6A== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H1P8teFGCa47rigBbFmn1hkFqdvCQLFHlVh5+D9c5qsQjffKmaMg5+tdOlRy8LJrQ== X-Received: by 10.107.5.139 with SMTP id 133mr6218946iof.107.1489703928269; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:38:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.11.95] (50-76-68-137-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [50.76.68.137]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b25sm3583228iod.32.2017.03.16.15.38.47 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:38:47 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 11:38:57 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Ietf-and-github] Finding repos X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 22:38:50 -0000 This just came up for real: When a WG is using GitHub it seems necessary that the official IETF page (https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mtgvenue/about/ in the specific case) points to the GitHub organization and/or the individual repos. One for the Tools team perhaps. Brian From nobody Thu Mar 16 15:49:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69CB71297B8 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:49:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.602 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.602 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZrGcNibohMRr for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:49:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-07.mxes.net (mxout-07.mxes.net [216.86.168.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E250129B15 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:49:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.3.104] (unknown [124.189.98.244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 06CE422E255; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 18:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) From: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 09:48:55 +1100 Cc: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Brian E Carpenter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Finding repos X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 22:49:08 -0000 Already supported; e.g., = (under "Additional URLs"). Cheers, > On 17 Mar 2017, at 9:38 am, Brian E Carpenter = wrote: >=20 > This just came up for real: >=20 > When a WG is using GitHub it seems necessary that the official IETF=20 > page (https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mtgvenue/about/ in the specific > case) points to the GitHub organization and/or the individual repos. >=20 > One for the Tools team perhaps. >=20 > Brian >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Thu Mar 16 16:31:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68DEC129A9B for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 16:31:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Aj0shR1m6jVA for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 16:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8D27129B5B for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 16:31:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::b]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v2GNV65o005018; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 00:31:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.217.124] (p5DCCCDC2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.204.205.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3vkl8p4TN6zDGxZ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 00:31:06 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 00:31:06 +0100 Cc: Brian E Carpenter , ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 511399865.809211-7a636ebe95a5941c23bfb746dca7fe90 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Mark Nottingham X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Finding repos X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 23:31:12 -0000 On 16 Mar 2017, at 23:48, Mark Nottingham wrote: >=20 > Already supported; e.g., = (under "Additional URLs"). We call that =E2=80=9Chidden in plain sight=E2=80=9D. (core has it, too, but I don=E2=80=99t think anyone has ever found the = github org from that link.) 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[50.76.68.137]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l19sm3685410ioe.51.2017.03.16.17.13.33 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 16 Mar 2017 17:13:33 -0700 (PDT) To: Mark Nottingham References: Cc: ietf-and-github@ietf.org From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <2a814681-cdfc-d7de-09e5-c3bfe10ef1c1@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 13:13:43 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Finding repos X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 00:13:37 -0000 On 17/03/2017 11:48, Mark Nottingham wrote: > Already supported; e.g., (under "Additional URLs"). Good, but then it needs to be SOP for WG chairs to add that URL. Thanks Brian > > Cheers, > > >> On 17 Mar 2017, at 9:38 am, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> >> This just came up for real: >> >> When a WG is using GitHub it seems necessary that the official IETF >> page (https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mtgvenue/about/ in the specific >> case) points to the GitHub organization and/or the individual repos. >> >> One for the Tools team perhaps. >> >> Brian >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf-and-github mailing list >> Ietf-and-github@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github > > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ > > From nobody Thu Mar 16 23:34:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3D712420B for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 23:34:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UPO7WH0S2o_2 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 23:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ot0-x229.google.com (mail-ot0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A40D412025C for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 23:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ot0-x229.google.com with SMTP id x37so81208508ota.2 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 23:34:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=g+F9OOFvQCajGcz4e/nej3DzHUqCUWrHrhxMrIBRoEM=; b=PWZVS82k4ATlb/18ELn3v4LwlGZrpbq2/2reuVbOtl3uszzHyfhAC1QA1zv1jLCdAu rCFf8ptyC79Apuoev6Q+aZXp37gSngnDKlgdhAQOHJEBf8H9IbrMWbRm55LUl0mX7SN1 //ap23tRw+Bvx4d75OD4/zgvh3Edn78u6F2GQ8tSKDFDMOf/+9slRcG6Y9sCMF4oBRqG Q3ml5xzjx9ly2ecl+VvCwtnZX0udB8+yWVaTg45/t7+nE5/IOKd8rViaRsexhpaYr+cx 93cENn6KlgaUC3sKaSBclolEnLMYz4l4oeScjmPEnFnqiFQf6jNgQCV7Qp/CzogX7PE7 Sa0g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=g+F9OOFvQCajGcz4e/nej3DzHUqCUWrHrhxMrIBRoEM=; b=RBYyHqBl4OWjpfJRBirQ/T6XRjncqb4TTrkdvaGRC36XypFbXutnfnvCVTFvpP89Jx LHVH0uNcjLeoj1NNg1xAD0dIyey0VhAFFQs0o1tVHbOrteZVkcswBgQBXKDfG+U7TPPp a2HHb7lWEMYI2Ui0FtTuSJz7g8UYms1uccffTaLFGP8PrZtzOAhKqDMWpKRBxBpHtE1u uDjx7L99jYCDrcUrZx0fFz/6xtruBz5oCgebpZ4wuPGid0e1fNi0gRW2G4ciL7NuaKLo IhTW7Knhvg5EIOf/K1fYHEcLtA0eKpV77BRqKB9wJVqL03nWg5Y8g52+HKX3NlphlY4g l9LA== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H2dSoshAI0mbv/GwUXHTGM8yAkgzTZIoG87/EvR1NqGGFPJoetihreYQa/20wulkW6umy1QHul69aA0dQ== X-Received: by 10.157.9.197 with SMTP id 5mr7323434otz.178.1489732461988; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 23:34:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.16.13 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 23:34:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Martin Thomson Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 17:34:21 +1100 Message-ID: To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Subject: [Ietf-and-github] Survey? X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 06:34:24 -0000 I put this together a little while ago. I wonder if folks here thing that there is any value in sharing this more widely? Maybe as a supplement to Paul's quick roll call. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeEI1TQ38ALsD8HzgWIU1SRPYKKz5GLHjnL8Kc_W1fR_oEk2Q/viewform?usp=sf_link This is collecting answers, so I'd appreciate it if you don't put junk answers in. Any entered answers will be public. Answer if you feel like it, of course, but I'm really looking for feedback on content, length, etc... 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SFS:(10009020)(39450400003)(377424004)(24454002)(189998001)(50226002)(99936001)(53936002)(2906002)(110136004)(6246003)(122556002)(76176999)(81166006)(5660300001)(33656002)(8936002)(38730400002)(50986999)(6512007)(39060400002)(8676002)(6486002)(6436002)(2900100001)(54896002)(54556002)(3660700001)(4326008)(236005)(81156014)(558084003)(77096006)(6506006)(54906002)(57306001)(733005)(53546008)(99286003)(25786008)(7736002)(4001150100001)(229853002)(3280700002)(82746002)(86362001)(102836003)(6116002)(230783001)(83716003)(36756003)(6916009)(2950100002)(104396002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:BN3PR0601MB1155; H:BN3PR0601MB1153.namprd06.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:ovrnspm; PTR:InfoNoRecords; LANG:en; spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3255F8A3-9074-4343-9669-123A0FF2414C"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 17 Mar 2017 13:31:58.2725 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4b0911a0-929b-4715-944b-c03745165b3a X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BN3PR0601MB1155 X-OriginatorOrg: netapp.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Finding repos X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 13:33:05 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_3255F8A3-9074-4343-9669-123A0FF2414C Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E5B0077B-A664-4CC8-B85E-C9C5B662FCB4" --Apple-Mail=_E5B0077B-A664-4CC8-B85E-C9C5B662FCB4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 2017-3-17, at 1:13, Brian E Carpenter = wrote: > Good, but then it needs to be SOP for WG chairs to add that URL. I'm not sure what you mean by "SOP". If you mean "easy", it is - there = is a button right next to the URL. Lars --Apple-Mail=_E5B0077B-A664-4CC8-B85E-C9C5B662FCB4 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5F8546D5-3285-46E1-A4AD-96C7178C8808" --Apple-Mail=_5F8546D5-3285-46E1-A4AD-96C7178C8808 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii On 2017-3-17, at 1:13, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
Good, but then it needs to be SOP for WG chairs to add that URL.

I'm not sure what you mean by "SOP". If you mean "easy", it is - there is a button right next to the URL.


Lars
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2017 06:42:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <46A5629D-57F0-4F39-BE8C-5E94CA67C404@tzi.org> References: <182C3216-14F6-4D29-AF6B-54FAF71666E8@mnot.net> <46A5629D-57F0-4F39-BE8C-5E94CA67C404@tzi.org> From: Patrick McManus Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 09:42:16 -0400 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Carsten Bormann Cc: Mark Nottingham , ietf-and-github@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c060f2a959a2a054aed5861 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Single repo vs organization? X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 13:42:22 -0000 --94eb2c060f2a959a2a054aed5861 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 6:35 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: > The github.io page resulting from the CI is less confusing for a > single-draft repo. > In my opinion that's more of a mixed bag than anything else. It hasn't been mentioned here that having a single source to look at for all the current work is very valuable for someone getting up to speed and those that don't want to miss something. this is just an indirection problem of course and with enough tooling you can have both (separate repos and an automated wg wide dashboard)- but I haven't seen that done.. --94eb2c060f2a959a2a054aed5861 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 6:35 PM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> w= rote:
The githu= b.io page resulting from the CI is less confusing for a single-draft re= po.

In my opin= ion that's more of a mixed bag than anything else. It hasn't been m= entioned here that having a single source to look at for all the current wo= rk is very valuable for someone getting up to speed and those that don'= t want to miss something. this is just an indirection problem of course and= with enough tooling you can have both (separate repos and an automated wg = wide dashboard)- but I haven't seen that done..

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This is something that needs to be in whatever set of guidelines we end up with for WGs using GitHub. Brian On 18/03/2017 02:31, Eggert, Lars wrote: > On 2017-3-17, at 1:13, Brian E Carpenter > wrote: >> Good, but then it needs to be SOP for WG chairs to add that URL. > > I'm not sure what you mean by "SOP". If you mean "easy", it is - there is a > button right next to the URL. > > > Lars > From nobody Fri Mar 17 08:09:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BBC7129488 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 08:09:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R7V9zvQSJ9eu for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 08:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E233C129464 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 08:09:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::b]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v2HF9MY5026986; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 16:09:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.1.13] (reingewinn.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.218.123]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3vl7zQ3wN8zDHDs; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 16:09:22 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 16:09:22 +0100 Cc: Mark Nottingham , ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 511456161.968138-2872606f4d5a87052f2334ddcce35bb3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <182C3216-14F6-4D29-AF6B-54FAF71666E8@mnot.net> <46A5629D-57F0-4F39-BE8C-5E94CA67C404@tzi.org> To: Patrick McManus X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Single repo vs organization? X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:09:28 -0000 > It hasn't been mentioned here that having a single source to look at = for all the current work is very valuable for someone getting up to = speed and those that don't want to miss something. this is just an = indirection problem of course and with enough tooling you can have both = (separate repos and an automated wg wide dashboard)- but I haven't seen = that done..=20 For me, tools.ietf.org/wg/core has been a very useful dashboard. It would be nice if we could rid this of replaced drafts. It would also be nice if the chairs could annotate drafts with their = github existence. 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X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 12:30:59 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_D979EE2F-FA84-432C-A85E-A1A9FF9E77B2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 2017-3-17, at 16:09, Carsten Bormann wrote: > It would also be nice if the chairs could annotate drafts with their = github existence. This sounds like a nice codesprint project. 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X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 13:24:07 -0000 > On 19 Mar 2017, at 13:29, Eggert, Lars wrote: >=20 > On 2017-3-17, at 16:09, Carsten Bormann wrote: >> It would also be nice if the chairs could annotate drafts with their = github existence. >=20 > This sounds like a nice codesprint project. Can we codesprint on tools.ietf.org? So far, code sprints have focused on datatracker, I believe. 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[216.67.51.192]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w29sm28367989pfi.131.2017.03.19.11.32.34 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 19 Mar 2017 11:32:35 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org References: From: Melinda Shore Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 10:32:32 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Cqe1vpu7FTQPKRti0DcM4lf2qb84fpR9l" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Roll call for WGs using GitHub X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 18:32:38 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Cqe1vpu7FTQPKRti0DcM4lf2qb84fpR9l Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="oRQdK0oUmV1gI79RpF4tnaRxAaUQmwVf1"; protected-headers="v1" From: Melinda Shore To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Roll call for WGs using GitHub References: In-Reply-To: --oRQdK0oUmV1gI79RpF4tnaRxAaUQmwVf1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 3/15/17 9:25 PM, Martin Thomson wrote: > TRANS - appear to have a draft on github and issues in trac (shudder) To clarify, authors have a draft in github - we're good with authors/editors using whatever tools they find most effective and aren't going to mandate draft tool use one way or another. The issues are in trac because it was important, given a highly factionalized working group participant base, to have the issue tracker on a neutral, IETF-owned and managed platform. I think that regardless of whatever else is used, there's a lot of process value in having good IETF-managed tools available, and I'd love it if we could get a git service (including ticketing and their wiki) up on IETF resources. But trac is what we've got so trac is what we use. I think the goal here is to give people the tools to be effective rather than having them be controlled by their tools. 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X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 09:35:41 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_30A456BF-7614-4E45-92A0-78E7935166E5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 2017-3-19, at 14:23, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On 19 Mar 2017, at 13:29, Eggert, Lars wrote: >>=20 >> On 2017-3-17, at 16:09, Carsten Bormann wrote: >>> It would also be nice if the chairs could annotate drafts with their = github existence. >>=20 >> This sounds like a nice codesprint project. >=20 > Can we codesprint on tools.ietf.org? > So far, code sprints have focused on datatracker, I believe. My brain read datatracker when you wrote tools :-) But I think having = this information in the datartacker would be a good thing too, and then = tools can pick it up from there. 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d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s= fm1; bh=7Uy8UXH2VFgoAbQMv1qzh6rW9Q2FKktTuIu+fR9lJyU=; b=YJZPeZL+ 2FaZImYKPR5m85WX3Bu0AIeQNGsmU9AE4ReCCGTK1ZfkO14Zy0/MpHBU20PnWEJc Cx/kIU1XzC6Bv9NS9YGFVEJQsGyX1ZW2SFcEwWYzLGDwkgCSV6OSgnFx2h8x5x8f 8Exkda5xIuebdEaSS4AHsGW1Ei7FLNq7LSRhFUKVPQXSJwkm43c8/yPZ/D/Q+jb0 AnOvhnF4Rby3hgWh/OitWyXCtyPBw84AeXY92wjQQpm5T6GtE7muZShpBU50JksJ 2hw5KoGVusOa04x0+pXjL7kCnqLY0pU1rHby5mwFCXS838XEch8aCp7+/sLyhLhJ ek0Ay1EwTssohA== X-ME-Sender: X-Sasl-enc: pPRCEnMiWNk19dixdW3iaHmAC1DvzmDn3IIW15Xu7l0J 1490031390 Received: from sjc-alcoop-8812.cisco.com (unknown [128.107.241.169]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DAC082436D; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Alissa Cooper In-Reply-To: <4F33EAF2-FC26-4689-80A6-43FF37D09EB9@mnot.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:36:27 -0400 Cc: Jari Arkko , ietf-and-github@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <06BB5F2B-760F-4EC1-B887-D67773861064@cooperw.in> References: <246FA5A3-AEE4-4EBD-9FA4-7B3203B9E0BC@mnot.net> <10165B9B-98DB-4F8C-A1CD-017339AE00E7@piuha.net> <4F33EAF2-FC26-4689-80A6-43FF37D09EB9@mnot.net> To: Mark Nottingham X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Draft: requirements for third-party tools X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 17:36:33 -0000 Couple of thoughts on this doc: 2.2: People can=E2=80=99t be prevented from covering the fees for = everyone to use a tool if they want to do that, but it seems like there = is some danger there of a WG becoming too reliant on paid-for features = and having the person who paid change jobs or roles or otherwise decide = to stop paying before the work is done. Might just be something to note = as folks consider this. 2.7: I=E2=80=99d like to see the possibility of secretariat access = included here for commonly-used tools. Thanks, Alissa > On Mar 10, 2017, at 12:00 AM, Mark Nottingham wrote: >=20 > Done. >=20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham-wugh-services-00 >=20 > Cheers, >=20 From nobody Mon Mar 20 15:40:09 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E27F41270AC for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 15:40:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xZPL6XZLEEic for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 15:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x22d.google.com (mail-qt0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5358E12940A for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 15:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id n21so119068001qta.1 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 15:39:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=/pyHDXF1iU7VyhSAcnOcfSMiJw/YXT51ocfmXypMs98=; b=XDT5aG5ZMYpleozGd8GsS2+EgN31L3+4okJRDj7UjgK4+2ewpfibBN+9kr7Vfv6/gM mjYA3Efv00ijtVf340bq/ui8M+y2rWltGWfZY0JY+V98KhrGueSR2NvKJ9If/Cl1vm8N ybh9m0agPvpb9Qc/qG44wPIv808sNsrL/+cgGEDZ5GB2+/keMgURlnYIpGVlITs6QD8g ybRko8SzPQ/8st9DY/f+gMkE++6wiXjVRDyWleomtq6jjT2htO2o6hMoKghTaTIYXJdP b4kb782kZbRGAKjUjiy5aFPHj/VddE9q9QdoAvCfv/xkDJUud38WaMxWLuvywdYWR9t4 pmxw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=/pyHDXF1iU7VyhSAcnOcfSMiJw/YXT51ocfmXypMs98=; b=jZCLeidgJLGRpe+p0cMoJRTJayLTOtX73Um1r3XAcTFD/jX/WcxW1pwbXoZLmpPRKj OQD9bEjuUVArGHA/zoBPm+30o1sRsQztfqFxD6jgOkzIwGTaIufp7gatvWOky9rJ8sOh FcHSXo2fI0/nKMh209nbV3zfzxfqPbP5Nhd+uTcByc/HVK5BklToPb8B4mTkYbEIhXMa nxUNyl8nmahqlQcF3REX+yXnHged7X1nkBeMLB0mfYSkJDSXn82Bm71VFMIu8y9etmRi sJ42+oHWuNw+u9840QDBwZcPy4XYAaUESSJU5+Bjnwk99Q2nb2fleGZAR7JW2ZhZEFz0 rO9A== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H0A7X+jbjzw11nWfQ5DMgA4oYZKBv6usKVF6pP5QVSfmFKsMh/VA2KmsD3JzaaESSoauNr81x5vCNUoAA== X-Received: by 10.200.33.210 with SMTP id 18mr28656567qtz.159.1490049597513; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 15:39:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.27.194 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 15:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.27.194 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 15:39:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Martin Thomson Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 09:39:56 +1100 Message-ID: To: Paul Hoffman Cc: Ietf-and-github@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ff69af525dc054b3134bb Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Roll call for WGs using GitHub X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:40:02 -0000 --001a113ff69af525dc054b3134bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I forgot the groups I chair. GEOJSON uses github for issues and drafts. The community used github before they came to the IETF and so much of the discussion is there. CAPPORT has no working group documents, but I anticipate setting up an organization soon. We haven't discussed work mode yet. On 16 Mar 2017 4:41 AM, "Paul Hoffman" wrote: > In preparation for the BoF, I'd like to get a list of WGs using GitHub. > I'll put these in the BoF slides for future reference. Can at least one > person from each WG what is the style of GitHub use in the WG? Some > reasonable responses are: > > - GitHub is used for a few docs, based on author preferences > - GitHub is used for most or all docs > - issue tracking only, pull requests are rare > - issue tracking and pull requests are common > - all significant doc changes happen by pull request > - issues from the mailing list are turned into GitHub issues > - some issues are tracked on the mailing list, others on GitHub > > Prose is welcome. > > --Paul Hoffman > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github > --001a113ff69af525dc054b3134bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I forgot the groups I chair.

<= div dir=3D"auto">GEOJSON uses github for issues and drafts. The community u= sed github before they came to the IETF and so much of the discussion is th= ere.=C2=A0

CAPPORT has n= o working group documents, but I anticipate setting up an organization soon= . We haven't discussed work mode yet.=C2=A0

On 16 Mar 2017 4:41 AM, "Pau= l Hoffman" <paul.hoffman@v= pnc.org> wrote:
In preparation for the BoF, I'd like to get a list of WGs using GitH= ub. I'll put these in the BoF slides for future reference. Can at least= one person from each WG what is the style of GitHub use in the WG? Some re= asonable responses are:

- GitHub is used for a few docs, based on author preferences
- GitHub is used for most or all docs
- issue tracking only, pull requests are rare
- issue tracking and pull requests are common
- all significant doc changes happen by pull request
- issues from the mailing list are turned into GitHub issues
- some issues are tracked on the mailing list, others on GitHub

Prose is welcome.

--Paul Hoffman

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--001a113ff69af525dc054b3134bb-- From nobody Mon Mar 20 15:54:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FB2912940D for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 15:54:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.602 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.602 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oD3mMhNsvcVI for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 15:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-07.mxes.net (mxout-07.mxes.net [216.86.168.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23BF8127077 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 15:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.3.104] (unknown [124.189.98.244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9734422E1F3; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 18:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) From: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: <06BB5F2B-760F-4EC1-B887-D67773861064@cooperw.in> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 09:53:53 +1100 Cc: Jari Arkko , ietf-and-github@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <246FA5A3-AEE4-4EBD-9FA4-7B3203B9E0BC@mnot.net> <10165B9B-98DB-4F8C-A1CD-017339AE00E7@piuha.net> <4F33EAF2-FC26-4689-80A6-43FF37D09EB9@mnot.net> <06BB5F2B-760F-4EC1-B887-D67773861064@cooperw.in> To: Alissa Cooper X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Draft: requirements for third-party tools X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:54:07 -0000 > On 21 Mar 2017, at 4:36 am, Alissa Cooper wrote: >=20 > Couple of thoughts on this doc: >=20 > 2.2: People can=E2=80=99t be prevented from covering the fees for = everyone to use a tool if they want to do that, but it seems like there = is some danger there of a WG becoming too reliant on paid-for features = and having the person who paid change jobs or roles or otherwise decide = to stop paying before the work is done. Might just be something to note = as folks consider this. Agreed; I think it makes sense to add a cautionary note here. > 2.7: I=E2=80=99d like to see the possibility of secretariat access = included here for commonly-used tools. So, what would the purpose of that be? I'd be concerned if they started = changing repo settings, doing checkins or adding people to the = organisation. 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Might just be something to note = as folks consider this. >=20 > Agreed; I think it makes sense to add a cautionary note here. >=20 >=20 >> 2.7: I=E2=80=99d like to see the possibility of secretariat access = included here for commonly-used tools. >=20 > So, what would the purpose of that be? I'd be concerned if they = started changing repo settings, doing checkins or adding people to the = organisation. It would be for the same reason that they have administrative access to = the datatracker. If adding/removing responsible people becomes a routine = part of the transition process when we have changes in personnel, it = takes the load off of ADs and chairs if they just have to click one = button in the datatracker and all of the associated permissions/roles = get changed correctly by the secretariat. Alissa >=20 > Cheers, >=20 >=20 > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ >=20 From nobody Tue Mar 21 18:09:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAC31241FC for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 18:09:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.602 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.602 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wTkpsmne4dTI for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 18:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-07.mxes.net (mxout-07.mxes.net [216.86.168.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 156C9128656 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 18:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.3.104] (unknown [124.189.98.244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8C48922E255; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) From: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 12:09:17 +1100 Cc: Jari Arkko , ietf-and-github@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8801911B-5E60-4D6D-8AB2-F0D01E69D84E@mnot.net> References: <246FA5A3-AEE4-4EBD-9FA4-7B3203B9E0BC@mnot.net> <10165B9B-98DB-4F8C-A1CD-017339AE00E7@piuha.net> <4F33EAF2-FC26-4689-80A6-43FF37D09EB9@mnot.net> <06BB5F2B-760F-4EC1-B887-D67773861064@cooperw.in> To: Alissa Cooper X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Draft: requirements for third-party tools X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 01:09:31 -0000 > On 22 Mar 2017, at 8:02 am, Alissa Cooper wrote: >=20 >=20 >> On Mar 20, 2017, at 6:53 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 21 Mar 2017, at 4:36 am, Alissa Cooper wrote: >>>=20 >>> Couple of thoughts on this doc: >>>=20 >>> 2.2: People can=E2=80=99t be prevented from covering the fees for = everyone to use a tool if they want to do that, but it seems like there = is some danger there of a WG becoming too reliant on paid-for features = and having the person who paid change jobs or roles or otherwise decide = to stop paying before the work is done. Might just be something to note = as folks consider this. >>=20 >> Agreed; I think it makes sense to add a cautionary note here. >>=20 >>=20 >>> 2.7: I=E2=80=99d like to see the possibility of secretariat access = included here for commonly-used tools. >>=20 >> So, what would the purpose of that be? I'd be concerned if they = started changing repo settings, doing checkins or adding people to the = organisation. >=20 > It would be for the same reason that they have administrative access = to the datatracker. If adding/removing responsible people becomes a = routine part of the transition process when we have changes in = personnel, it takes the load off of ADs and chairs if they just have to = click one button in the datatracker and all of the associated = permissions/roles get changed correctly by the secretariat. How about something like: "When third party tools become so commonly = used that the IETF defines best practices for their use, those = guidelines SHOULD define what the Secretariat's role is in their use." ? -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Thu Mar 23 12:35:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D7851294F4 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:35:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.72 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.72 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=cooperw.in header.b=s4+jBFEp; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=f+fhphnh Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sCnXoISzvE-e for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A27E8127ABE for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA7320E01; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:34:58 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cooperw.in; h=cc :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=z/p3x7uNrPa7Y0ihTR kQjuPqJ0uYfzGhqP3wyCxO3Bc=; b=s4+jBFEpdaku7fBbbfmojDuSEom1lgMrK2 xZ5bz4yHcKm5Yvkzw3EmuBip2Gzoi40yUH1oXZUkRpaL19sYzbrwEwj7bApDgDcG 0pm89Xj/r0A0CaaabzUrwPF7/kl6AfNYD/RGIb8SOtW2bwbKsnITs2BPEjWKoJHY K7TZ0rv7UyG0Fr8beC9zd0RWzdyIDUH0sQYHdv1JVC9iu5cPhPMkFfNuPXOq6Bk/ ZNJOzKjDEoajBWdyLwKNoqkvtLz4YpQQPcQ1k9VkPt2CwVItPHTTC9l+1bkjo9bS A1NweveGJsQFYuKtMVAsEprepU78r+E+1qIVCJ47gNzfy6+irM0g== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s= fm1; bh=z/p3x7uNrPa7Y0ihTRkQjuPqJ0uYfzGhqP3wyCxO3Bc=; b=f+fhphnh sw5WPCXR2LG/0wkJDk8dlx9m0eXK32FOVnAUcKBzGtsT80yq79bYi978hvXzLa3b XyB8mFhL1wYCqmu9w8e3Y7I0E+fGSgR8hyd5SQ0OHMWw2QnGPlWbg/VPb3uewXYU r2qmkc4pMQd8g/dX3eU2A5GR9xvkIXQU4QHZe+i2tgP57rGqBtLsCfxBuGl3BGF+ 9P70xhO3yi7dk91x76R7ERS3S0w0iUatNLcEOH6OCFKTNug1pbAKPtLr3ESf8ARs UBmbR54VFZ/5Zgdmq9kqZuQtasp0Fj20TqEO6BKk+OvTZJ4Ad+kUu5xalruD/uZV doiLLBY9LKkTtA== X-ME-Sender: X-Sasl-enc: gkLqLm3buM7I8GslI2xZO9VrqKeR+G/oAQKCuHmp8vvl 1490297697 Received: from [10.24.43.160] (unknown [128.107.241.178]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 40A90245D2; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Alissa Cooper In-Reply-To: <8801911B-5E60-4D6D-8AB2-F0D01E69D84E@mnot.net> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:34:55 -0400 Cc: Jari Arkko , ietf-and-github@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <246FA5A3-AEE4-4EBD-9FA4-7B3203B9E0BC@mnot.net> <10165B9B-98DB-4F8C-A1CD-017339AE00E7@piuha.net> <4F33EAF2-FC26-4689-80A6-43FF37D09EB9@mnot.net> <06BB5F2B-760F-4EC1-B887-D67773861064@cooperw.in> <8801911B-5E60-4D6D-8AB2-F0D01E69D84E@mnot.net> To: Mark Nottingham X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Draft: requirements for third-party tools X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 19:35:00 -0000 > On Mar 21, 2017, at 9:09 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: >=20 > How about something like: "When third party tools become so commonly = used that the IETF defines best practices for their use, those = guidelines SHOULD define what the Secretariat's role is in their use.=E2=80= =9D I=E2=80=99m not a big fan of these sort of process documents putting = normative requirements on each other. If folks don=E2=80=99t think this = is appropriate to include in this doc, the details could just be = included in Martin=E2=80=99s doc. Alissa >=20 > ? >=20 > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ >=20 From nobody Sun Mar 26 10:29:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E29E312947F for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2017 10:29:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lnmuiTi2Uf4C for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2017 10:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-4.mit.edu (dmz-mailsec-scanner-4.mit.edu [18.9.25.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 701491287A0 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2017 10:29:53 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 1209190f-8c7ff70000004a8f-f5-58d7fa8fc467 Received: from mailhub-auth-4.mit.edu ( [18.7.62.39]) (using TLS with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 42.85.19087.F8AF7D85; Sun, 26 Mar 2017 13:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) by mailhub-auth-4.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id v2QHTpq7025932 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2017 13:29:51 -0400 Received: from kduck.kaduk.org (24-107-191-124.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com [24.107.191.124]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.12.4) with ESMTP id v2QHTmJg009543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2017 13:29:50 -0400 Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 12:29:48 -0500 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: Ietf-and-github@ietf.org Message-ID: <20170326172948.GY30306@kduck.kaduk.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFrrEIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixG6nrjvh1/UIg4/r+SzO/9/L7sDosWTJ T6YAxigum5TUnMyy1CJ9uwSujKk7djEVdHBX3J7QxdTA+ISji5GDQ0LAROL4/JouRk4OIYE2 JompPz27GLmA7AuMEtuWr2OCSHxhknj0wwrEZhFQlVi5/x1YnE1ARaKh+zIziC0iICOx6vk1 MFtYwFbixtvdrCA2L9D8adOmMkPMsZZY13uCESIuKHFy5hMWEJtZQEvixr+XTCD3MAtISyz/ xwES5hSwkTh/4hNYuaiAskTDjAfMExj5ZyHpnoWkexZC9wJG5lWMsim5Vbq5iZk5xanJusXJ iXl5qUW6Jnq5mSV6qSmlmxhBQccpyb+DcU6D9yFGAQ5GJR7ehp3XIoRYE8uKK3MPMUpyMCmJ 8no6XI8Q4kvKT6nMSCzOiC8qzUktPsQowcGsJMK7/CpQjjclsbIqtSgfJiXNwaIkziuu0Rgh JJCeWJKanZpakFoEk5Xh4FCS4P39E6hRsCg1PbUiLTOnBCHNxMEJMpwHaLjBL5DhxQWJucWZ 6RD5U4yKUuK8jD+AEgIgiYzSPLheUFKQyN5f84pRHOgVYd5gkBU8wIQC1/0KaDAT0ODZG66A DC5JREhJNTCW+6QFXf6U+OqLffg+uX7LCRN1rxgqy/85+bQkrlU7WnqN6s20CQo/zF9uWXzU hSdXasIsyTrRfVtrS8wFbA8w/M/eP31+0jNF3aNvd/9Yv3VDefXR5eGqu6x6Vr03/OLUdlVG 52KiYznbZUvPuaJsAosDmdgWs7AnPUrwZNOd2Lfym4vkmkVKLMUZiYZazEXFiQCtVb3R5QIA AA== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Roll call for WGs using GitHub X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 17:29:55 -0000 We are trying out something of an experiment for kitten, related to our abandonment of the formal "WGLC" period for reviews. Instead, the chairs will be able to declare consensus after a document has received "sufficient review" (vaguely defined), so we're going to try using a github page to track what reviews a document has received. That will also give us guidance on who to pester in order to get additional (re)reviews in order to be able to move a document forward. The current version looks like: https://github.com/kittenwg/draft-ietf-kitten-krb-service-discovery but we'd of course welcome feedback and/or suggestions. -Ben On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:41:29AM -0700, Paul Hoffman wrote: > In preparation for the BoF, I'd like to get a list of WGs using GitHub. > I'll put these in the BoF slides for future reference. Can at least one > person from each WG what is the style of GitHub use in the WG? Some > reasonable responses are: > > - GitHub is used for a few docs, based on author preferences > - GitHub is used for most or all docs > - issue tracking only, pull requests are rare > - issue tracking and pull requests are common > - all significant doc changes happen by pull request > - issues from the mailing list are turned into GitHub issues > - some issues are tracked on the mailing list, others on GitHub > > Prose is welcome. > > --Paul Hoffman > From nobody Tue Mar 28 09:00:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E282E129449 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 09:00:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id riP9O2MoBZR5 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 09:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.proper.com (Opus1.Proper.COM [207.182.41.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0626212943F for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 09:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.47.60.106] (dhcp-b95b.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.185.91]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.proper.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id v2SFxxS2050465 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 09:00:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.proper.com: Host dhcp-b95b.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.185.91] claimed to be [10.47.60.106] From: "Paul Hoffman" To: Ietf-and-github@ietf.org Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 11:00:09 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.6r5347) Archived-At: Subject: [Ietf-and-github] Yesterday's BoF X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 16:00:13 -0000 Thanks to Mark Nottingham and Martin Thompson for their presentations, and thanks to the people who contributed to the "roll call". The comments at the mic were pretty useful. Many thanks to Paul Wouters for taking minutes. They are available at: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/minutes/minutes-98-wugh-00 Please let the list know if there are any changes. If you have comments on what was said, please start a new thread. Thanks! --Paul Hoffman