From nobody Fri Sep 14 17:08:57 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887A7130DC3 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 17:08:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zAXcDXWF3IxZ for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 17:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out.west.pexch112.icann.org (out.west.pexch112.icann.org [64.78.40.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F137130DE0 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 17:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.21) by PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1367.3; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 17:08:53 -0700 Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org ([64.78.40.21]) by PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG ([64.78.40.21]) with mapi id 15.00.1367.000; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 17:08:53 -0700 From: Paul Hoffman To: "ietf-and-github@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: New draft, and proposal for BoF at IETF 103 Thread-Index: AQHUTIhJ7iFGAMggPU+ppTAXA9gqyw== Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 00:08:53 +0000 Message-ID: <5FED3790-8276-431F-85F1-6E42C57BA2F0@icann.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [192.0.32.234] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <101FC331814F3749862AE24CBAA16E37@pexch112.icann.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Ietf-and-github] New draft, and proposal for BoF at IETF 103 X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 00:08:56 -0000 Greetings again. Alissa and I have started a new draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cooper-wugh-github-wg-configurati= on/ The purpose of the draft is to design tooling in the IETF for WGs to start = using GitHub if they aren't already, and to help individuals within WGs as = well. It is definitely *not* to standardize GitHub interactions in WGs. 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Alissa and I have started a new draft: > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cooper-wugh-github-wg-configuration= / >=20 > The purpose of the draft is to design tooling in the IETF for WGs to = start using GitHub if they aren't already, and to help individuals = within WGs as well. It is definitely *not* to standardize GitHub = interactions in WGs. >=20 > And, to this end, we have proposed a BoF for IETF 103 in Bangkok to = discuss the ideas and see if there is community interest. > https://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki#WGsUsingGitHub There have been no comments on this. Does that mean the proposals in the = doc are uncontroversial, and we should skip the BOF and just proceed to = working with the tools team and secretariat? Or does it mean people are = busy, or not paying attention? It would be helpful to get a few answers = to those questions to help figure out whether we need BOF time for this = or not. Thanks, Alissa >=20 > Comments on either or both of these are welcome. >=20 > --Paul Hoffman > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github From nobody Wed Sep 19 06:01:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A333130DEB for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 06:01:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rbvFNVBFhb8e for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 06:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emh04.mail.saunalahti.fi (emh04.mail.saunalahti.fi [62.142.5.110]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48FFC130DCC for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 06:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eggert.org (unknown [62.248.255.56]) by emh04.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28723021E; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 16:01:21 +0300 (EEST) Received: from slate.wlan.netapp.com (nat-216-240-30-23.netapp.com [216.240.30.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by eggert.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DCF5561B7D6; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 16:00:54 +0300 (EEST) From: Lars Eggert Message-Id: <1B6523C5-5A56-4592-9545-F847C4C5F509@eggert.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DBF04811-18A1-4EDE-8F8F-A7A5F83AD6E0"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 09:00:51 -0400 In-Reply-To: <15767A94-7E61-4A91-8DB3-719BB55C0ABC@cooperw.in> Cc: Paul Hoffman , "ietf-and-github@ietf.org" To: Alissa Cooper References: <5FED3790-8276-431F-85F1-6E42C57BA2F0@icann.org> <15767A94-7E61-4A91-8DB3-719BB55C0ABC@cooperw.in> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) X-MailScanner-ID: DCF5561B7D6.A5BFF X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: lars@eggert.org Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] New draft, and proposal for BoF at IETF 103 X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 13:01:26 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_DBF04811-18A1-4EDE-8F8F-A7A5F83AD6E0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, On 2018-9-19, at 8:43, Alissa Cooper wrote: >> On Sep 14, 2018, at 8:08 PM, Paul Hoffman = wrote: >> Greetings again. Alissa and I have started a new draft: >> = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cooper-wugh-github-wg-configuration= / >=20 > There have been no comments on this. Does that mean the proposals in = the doc are uncontroversial, and we should skip the BOF and just proceed = to working with the tools team and secretariat? Or does it mean people = are busy, or not paying attention? It would be helpful to get a few = answers to those questions to help figure out whether we need BOF time = for this or not. no offense, but there isn't really anything non-obvious in = draft-cooper-wugh-github-wg-configuration. IMO = draft-thomson-github-bcp-00 is quite a bit more practically useful. Is = that also in scope for discussion? As for the BOF, I'm not personally missing much integration on the IETF = side. I would like more integration on the GitHub side, but that we = can't directly influence. But if others have ideas for what might be = useful to do on our side, sure. 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Wed, 19 Sep 2018 13:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.30] ([118.148.76.40]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b64-v6sm29246163pfg.66.2018.09.19.13.57.42 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 19 Sep 2018 13:57:44 -0700 (PDT) To: Alissa Cooper , Paul Hoffman Cc: "ietf-and-github@ietf.org" References: <5FED3790-8276-431F-85F1-6E42C57BA2F0@icann.org> <15767A94-7E61-4A91-8DB3-719BB55C0ABC@cooperw.in> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <3a79f4c6-30a1-22d0-eebb-054adb183c24@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 08:57:38 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <15767A94-7E61-4A91-8DB3-719BB55C0ABC@cooperw.in> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] New draft, and proposal for BoF at IETF 103 X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 20:57:48 -0000 Alissa, Since I won't be in Bangkok I don't have a strong view on whether a BOF is needed or not. I think we need draft(s) on how to do things and we need discussion on how the use of github fits into the open consensus process. Personally I find the stream of consciousness messages from a git issue tracker pretty indigestible, for example. Actual decisions on substantive changes seem to need normal human-generated emails. Regards Brian On 2018-09-20 00:43, Alissa Cooper wrote: > > >> On Sep 14, 2018, at 8:08 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: >> >> Greetings again. Alissa and I have started a new draft: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cooper-wugh-github-wg-configuration/ >> >> The purpose of the draft is to design tooling in the IETF for WGs to start using GitHub if they aren't already, and to help individuals within WGs as well. It is definitely *not* to standardize GitHub interactions in WGs. >> >> And, to this end, we have proposed a BoF for IETF 103 in Bangkok to discuss the ideas and see if there is community interest. >> https://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki#WGsUsingGitHub > > There have been no comments on this. Does that mean the proposals in the doc are uncontroversial, and we should skip the BOF and just proceed to working with the tools team and secretariat? Or does it mean people are busy, or not paying attention? It would be helpful to get a few answers to those questions to help figure out whether we need BOF time for this or not. > > Thanks, > Alissa > >> >> Comments on either or both of these are welcome. >> >> --Paul Hoffman >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf-and-github mailing list >> Ietf-and-github@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github > From nobody Thu Sep 20 11:12:20 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC7B130E12 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 11:12:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=cooperw.in header.b=mxsM0dzg; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=i3pjpiZv Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0IqnrbsZ8zOD for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 11:12:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47E97130DEE for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 11:12:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BB021F8F; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 14:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 20 Sep 2018 14:12:15 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cooperw.in; h=cc :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=Nmoh8UNqqR99DiutMCNAdJXyzjADI xWDCLOFLWKHx2k=; b=mxsM0dzgPRuuvajNtJFHIDLDJW2xMSkxecqDuISqDCjH3 /8pnJhdWgGiR2+ra8OlpCMgmIyzf1QuEwkAAt7x+rqIZQzsbGvX4/jV9quWwgHbn RZvirkKFrlWo+XAUhPQ9+nc2zoL4cvVJXQ1rM7xMebkA6JnscEykDu2iygSEq4K8 GtmKM2rlts+SF8hyXw4Cz8LUOTlRvVfBCuKqoM7rKLL/EYDSmj29X1f4H7mcUxty vkQTWSONHSXMNbgRRvTKEIFIJhlaagOG31fH1pBMK7+IkY3QleXZf3IhEE8kLmTP gxK2us1bs0gIavg0qhBUkzsk/Fw4rXMdBDNe1uy0g== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=Nmoh8U NqqR99DiutMCNAdJXyzjADIxWDCLOFLWKHx2k=; b=i3pjpiZv1WYEDZCIJq+uc4 C9aHE164Qj3J0ziwd6/mPWU23UOfsQQBA7hZvMozLOjNTjsS5Dg8iiZqbbqW8kn1 mifuKs06iDc6DS6P57BIYDUYXQPkWI/sla/hH4mlgi9l7Uny38U9luqyY81tKrN4 pOy6whXwQHffGsnK3DVkL3ysV0plLgHbqis8IlMR4VNBUCo2zuulYrJGLZ5OZp/g /77d7L0MDhChFmZU4T2XedN6dS/gelh1BKY75/77iB7QcYmOVaAGfPgKmZfJ7Bmr Sf0M4M8sZi/jWa1al8eq9+PtkhsYmB0hMiQ+OaAZaiYEEkoN+fAcXVEe310qdK/Q == X-ME-Proxy: X-ME-Sender: Received: from rtp-alcoop-nitro2.cisco.com (unknown [173.38.117.77]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 51836E462B; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 14:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Alissa Cooper In-Reply-To: <1B6523C5-5A56-4592-9545-F847C4C5F509@eggert.org> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 14:12:12 -0400 Cc: Paul Hoffman , "ietf-and-github@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <5FED3790-8276-431F-85F1-6E42C57BA2F0@icann.org> <15767A94-7E61-4A91-8DB3-719BB55C0ABC@cooperw.in> <1B6523C5-5A56-4592-9545-F847C4C5F509@eggert.org> To: Lars Eggert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] New draft, and proposal for BoF at IETF 103 X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 18:12:19 -0000 > On Sep 19, 2018, at 9:00 AM, Lars Eggert wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > On 2018-9-19, at 8:43, Alissa Cooper wrote: >>> On Sep 14, 2018, at 8:08 PM, Paul Hoffman = wrote: >>> Greetings again. Alissa and I have started a new draft: >>> = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cooper-wugh-github-wg-configuration= / >>=20 >> There have been no comments on this. Does that mean the proposals in = the doc are uncontroversial, and we should skip the BOF and just proceed = to working with the tools team and secretariat? Or does it mean people = are busy, or not paying attention? It would be helpful to get a few = answers to those questions to help figure out whether we need BOF time = for this or not. >=20 > no offense, but there isn't really anything non-obvious in = draft-cooper-wugh-github-wg-configuration. IMO = draft-thomson-github-bcp-00 is quite a bit more practically useful. Is = that also in scope for discussion? I think it certainly could be, especially if people think the outcome = would be different from the last BoF discussion of it. Alissa >=20 > As for the BOF, I'm not personally missing much integration on the = IETF side. I would like more integration on the GitHub side, but that we = can't directly influence. But if others have ideas for what might be = useful to do on our side, sure. >=20 > Lars From nobody Sat Sep 22 10:06:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ACB0130E37 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2018 10:05:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tByVgyYIBa5O for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2018 10:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x236.google.com (mail-oi0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0605A130E2B for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2018 10:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x236.google.com with SMTP id k16-v6so1187204oik.6 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2018 10:05:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=O1ubIh+gF4O2n2j0TTvk57bIrTo1uC9h/Zt8vno9zwo=; b=LR0HPJhVFqFi86YLBRotPSQ8KcBC3UzewzZo/GliD3415FmIVhcZDxApce9qFnHFB/ pZlx2cW+bPo0usiSB5kCQnLJ8DVpi4+FhN9BCq2aDsnO5VJFLLgBLq+kph0uWYmXbHae bApIJxh+7qn0CBcLmFUfb92hZh5DwdKHLogz3dudC7aHnyb7Lb07WA+0iMOA7pWxWDrZ KQdf4aWWzMhwkP8+1ty7L5tHV2sA0FjVs6SgldN05nTEdUL/M5GyvmyicHciv058nPdS cuzACJg3tTHTciANzh2f5+B4g6UJ8gDWRL2NsTBAaYkdVcK7n/S/MTO5i/ZCj5j2twtT 5TVQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=O1ubIh+gF4O2n2j0TTvk57bIrTo1uC9h/Zt8vno9zwo=; b=GKnsrehwsGbR5pqriJzFAH1JAU1y/+p9c0FQwp9KNowmWjRn8vqxrM9yglQiQE7RMr 5e1H5GpRwBZcUxzvW7Vi5GQcasjekmbzUbJ4OLtmW6R3zva0ydPlpxFbEMLhO4f1oij3 mgLujrJ/ockmqg9cEJ8uWwsPzOzYAZl94/M4vx366Iijw6xApbleJPnmWKeKFEkBtBg2 y1WaAnUE6/JdQ6BqB8Uiwnlt4E5DtrThIFjuAMw2N/FP/wab4/rpYlKxAhdFQecvHTaf aK98cFPx2w7xb2ZJhhYSu+TeX3keYyXGM44pOLX3rXZ9WklbpkSUc6FAIFb9lr+W+4Yn V+/Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51AlYhCfLjZEso/NsOUz0u0q+EZRZvtr98CQfl/LSZr+Q46cDLyu SpwCRurJlvG9Tc0dLWh347xhJKXQpKiVa1oEKtw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdYbetqkzNMCRbzu//WoBtdVa7eGzkizo7DsccBd4/F5I8CqPU8bVRCqhzO/Q55nD4A+N5/daX2TB5NdQB6qUK0= X-Received: by 2002:aca:4dca:: with SMTP id a193-v6mr1571666oib.343.1537635957180; Sat, 22 Sep 2018 10:05:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5FED3790-8276-431F-85F1-6E42C57BA2F0@icann.org> <15767A94-7E61-4A91-8DB3-719BB55C0ABC@cooperw.in> <1B6523C5-5A56-4592-9545-F847C4C5F509@eggert.org> In-Reply-To: From: Martin Thomson Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 10:05:47 -0700 Message-ID: To: Alissa Cooper Cc: Lars Eggert , Paul Hoffman , ietf-and-github@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] New draft, and proposal for BoF at IETF 103 X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 17:05:59 -0000 On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 11:12 AM Alissa Cooper wrote: > > no offense, but there isn't really anything non-obvious in draft-cooper-wugh-github-wg-configuration. IMO draft-thomson-github-bcp-00 is quite a bit more practically useful. Is that also in scope for discussion? > > I think it certainly could be, especially if people think the outcome would be different from the last BoF discussion of it. FWIW, I'm happy to work with Alissa and Paul (or anyone else) to get that doc in better shape if people believe that to be the right answer. I have a -01 that includes a bunch of feedback already, but I didn't get around to pushing it. When I talked to Alissa about this draft, I got the impression that the idea was to go for something less comprehensive, which would be more incremental in nature. In terms of steps, these are good steps, but I take Lars' point here: as a community, we're already well past those baby steps and we might want to codify some more of the process. I'm happy to join a discussion in Bangkok about this. I think that we've only really talked about the benefits/processes a few times in the past. If the intent here is to make the processes more concrete and to gain some amount of official support for those processes, that is worth discussing. (BTW, I'm having similar discussions about congealing work practices in my day job. Supporting diverse work practices can be expensive, and there is always some tension between wanting to find more efficiency through supporting fewer options and supporting the highly efficient and specialized practices that individuals or groups might have developed over time. It's a fun discussion.) From nobody Sat Sep 22 13:22:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA934128CFD for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2018 13:22:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zs0ll2nNGEoQ for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2018 13:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out.west.pexch112.icann.org (out.west.pexch112.icann.org [64.78.40.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E3BE12426A for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2018 13:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.21) by PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1367.3; Sat, 22 Sep 2018 13:22:05 -0700 Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org ([64.78.40.21]) by PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG ([64.78.40.21]) with mapi id 15.00.1367.000; Sat, 22 Sep 2018 13:22:05 -0700 From: Paul Hoffman To: Martin Thomson CC: "ietf-and-github@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Ext] [Ietf-and-github] New draft, and proposal for BoF at IETF 103 Thread-Index: AQHUUrHsOpMX3gmEgkiCZuHwbkBGOg== Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 20:22:03 +0000 Message-ID: References: <5FED3790-8276-431F-85F1-6E42C57BA2F0@icann.org> <15767A94-7E61-4A91-8DB3-719BB55C0ABC@cooperw.in> <1B6523C5-5A56-4592-9545-F847C4C5F509@eggert.org> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [192.0.32.234] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_78463C83-9869-4C35-9FCA-F035780176F0"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] [Ext] New draft, and proposal for BoF at IETF 103 X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 20:22:09 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_78463C83-9869-4C35-9FCA-F035780176F0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sep 22, 2018, at 10:05 AM, Martin Thomson = wrote: >=20 > On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 11:12 AM Alissa Cooper = wrote: >>> no offense, but there isn't really anything non-obvious in = draft-cooper-wugh-github-wg-configuration. IMO = draft-thomson-github-bcp-00 is quite a bit more practically useful. Is = that also in scope for discussion? >>=20 >> I think it certainly could be, especially if people think the outcome = would be different from the last BoF discussion of it. >=20 > FWIW, I'm happy to work with Alissa and Paul (or anyone else) to get > that doc in better shape if people believe that to be the right > answer. I have a -01 that includes a bunch of feedback already, but I > didn't get around to pushing it. >=20 > When I talked to Alissa about this draft, I got the impression that > the idea was to go for something less comprehensive, which would be > more incremental in nature. In terms of steps, these are good steps, > but I take Lars' point here: as a community, we're already well past > those baby steps and we might want to codify some more of the process. >=20 > I'm happy to join a discussion in Bangkok about this. I think that > we've only really talked about the benefits/processes a few times in > the past. If the intent here is to make the processes more concrete > and to gain some amount of official support for those processes, that > is worth discussing. >=20 > (BTW, I'm having similar discussions about congealing work practices > in my day job. Supporting diverse work practices can be expensive, > and there is always some tension between wanting to find more > efficiency through supporting fewer options and supporting the highly > efficient and specialized practices that individuals or groups might > have developed over time. It's a fun discussion.) If the BoF gets approved and scheduled for a 1.5 hour slot, we should = have time to also have a discussion of current practices and their = effects on WG processes. --Paul Hoffman= --Apple-Mail=_78463C83-9869-4C35-9FCA-F035780176F0 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIL9DCCBZ4w ggSGoAMCAQICEAbzeOJeWp48+t/BRQQfhmcwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQELBQAwZTELMAkGA1UEBhMCVVMx FTATBgNVBAoTDERpZ2lDZXJ0IEluYzEZMBcGA1UECxMQd3d3LmRpZ2ljZXJ0LmNvbTEkMCIGA1UE AxMbRGlnaUNlcnQgU0hBMiBBc3N1cmVkIElEIENBMB4XDTE4MDYxMzAwMDAwMFoXDTIxMDYxMzEy MDAwMFowgb0xCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVTMRMwEQYDVQQIEwpDYWxpZm9ybmlhMRQwEgYDVQQHEwtMb3Mg QW5nZWxlczE8MDoGA1UEChMzSW50ZXJuZXQgQ29ycG9yYXRpb24gZm9yIEFzc2lnbmVkIE5hbWVz IGFuZCBOdW1iZXJzMR4wHAYDVQQDExVQYXVsIEhvZmZtYW4gMjAxODA2MTMxJTAjBgkqhkiG9w0B CQEWFnBhdWwuaG9mZm1hbkBpY2Fubi5vcmcwggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIB 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BD428660153; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 07:04:12 +0300 (EEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Jari Arkko In-Reply-To: <15767A94-7E61-4A91-8DB3-719BB55C0ABC@cooperw.in> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 12:04:09 +0800 Cc: Paul Hoffman , "ietf-and-github@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <5FED3790-8276-431F-85F1-6E42C57BA2F0@icann.org> <15767A94-7E61-4A91-8DB3-719BB55C0ABC@cooperw.in> To: Alissa Cooper X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] New draft, and proposal for BoF at IETF 103 X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 04:04:19 -0000 I have read the draft and think it proposes reasonable things. I like = the focus on incremental small steps. But it is also true that there = wasn=E2=80=99t anything that=E2=80=99s hugely controversial (even if one = might have different suggestions =E2=80=94 see below). If there=E2=80=99s = a BOF then it should focus on progressing concrete work rather than = grand visions or debate. Bofakathon=E2=80=A6? I saw that the draft focused quite a bit on data tracker operations to = request the creation of various things. I think that=E2=80=99s useful, = but even more useful would be the ability for the data tracker (and = tools pages) to point to the relevant GitHub repos for specific WGs and = drafts. I don=E2=80=99t think that currently exists, and providing = pointers to users of GitHub would be perhaps more frequently used = feature than providing tools to create the repos etc. Jari From nobody Tue Sep 25 07:26:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D941312ED for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 07:26:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=akamai.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bGzdZJBs-L8t for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 07:26:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0a-00190b01.pphosted.com (mx0a-00190b01.pphosted.com [IPv6:2620:100:9001:583::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76A1413136B for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 06:09:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0050095.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0050095.ppops.net-00190b01. 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Wed, 26 Sep 2018 08:08:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: ietf-and-github@ietf.org, cmorgan@amsl.com, wugh-chairs@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.84.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <153797448714.21595.17459126013635465019.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 08:08:07 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Ietf-and-github] wugh - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 103 X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 15:08:07 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Cindy Morgan, on behalf of the wugh working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: WGs Using GitHub Area Name: General Area Session Requester: Cindy Morgan Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 100 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: dnsop, dprive, doh, quic, tls, httpbis, anima, rtcweb, trans, capport, mmusic, mls, 6man People who must be present: Paul E. Hoffman Resources Requested: Special Requests: ---------------------------------------------------------