From nobody Mon Oct 1 06:30:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B017C130DDC for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 06:30:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=cooperw.in header.b=q5dFYa/i; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=kRd1Oyfo Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HVfeQuVcG0qZ for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 06:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 10C2D130DFA for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 06:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED31E215C6 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 09:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 01 Oct 2018 09:30:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cooperw.in; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=VgGKrSofnunQNcpWlEzPSb35KiyJq STV/Prl6BftN/0=; b=q5dFYa/iM4il8ZmP1BWYBNL6k+6mj8KWEoeV3SFMi8rse 28Q+1COKDZcIP383nohMcLBKj7b69h6ddXmYZpjiWvyn2PVfgp5veLRmJK0OfMAC GvuFAo99ihldCXftX2sRs2ddPz4/0p4KO4zq75k//WjVBdisVHcTZ2c435brElvS T4NuI3s6y+WUgTI/cskhmywyrzH4Cc03CJESCXqUXBc348QIW5AEQhg5Jrrk8Oa9 MOfZ41xK/2s+Dbx74vpdYR5HIvaGZL3d0v2jiKB0sxvJbLB4kWFskRgh8a1ic3rN nEIsi6yl5MinRsAK7dd4sz3XC6Dy72j35t/uH6quA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=VgGKrS ofnunQNcpWlEzPSb35KiyJqSTV/Prl6BftN/0=; b=kRd1OyfoDpMxEoITRp09n3 OeMeUWpuPUeCrpxz98rl78HTyOOGiI/j7cpf3oCnwUXiVummg6S2hNzY2TfuFDmN wso13+979fgBK2fYPgfWj3PAgg+Q1En4PEF4DORCtIKAf+UxSSm04MwccWsP8fDP ZUGePeFIyY4plSqBYrt3sTj79c+Ho6RnzCF0oor9xLKpGA+EhZ94gBUhkbD/xIXa SUg4uh2olP/Ap4kyEIgd06pCWaEj7WHmi0OoWQ9bd4q40ff+jdBc2hKw83cqNGmD kZmOdnY8LSFUam4NbtQj1tDUfGj2dsWP+Zq6d41E1PSyE7DyoZ/u7Pv+8bUEwShQ == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy: Received: from rtp-alcoop-nitro2.cisco.com (unknown [173.38.117.69]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9066D102F6 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 09:30:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Alissa Cooper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2018 09:30:04 -0400 References: <153797448714.21595.17459126013635465019.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <153797448714.21595.17459126013635465019.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Message-Id: <80EEA059-BD92-464A-BE0C-886806AA840E@cooperw.in> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] wugh - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 103 X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 13:30:09 -0000 So as you may have surmised, this BOF was approved. The IESG and IAB = were generally supportive and people thought we should expand the scope = to include Martin=E2=80=99s draft. Paul will be chairing. Please take a look at the list of conflicts below and respond ASAP if = you intend to participate in this BOF but have a conflict that is not = yet listed. Thanks, Alissa > On Sep 26, 2018, at 11:08 AM, IETF Meeting Session Request Tool = wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Cindy Morgan, = on behalf of the wugh working group. >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- > Working Group Name: WGs Using GitHub > Area Name: General Area > Session Requester: Cindy Morgan >=20 > Number of Sessions: 1 > Length of Session(s): 1.5 Hours > Number of Attendees: 100 > Conflicts to Avoid:=20 > First Priority: dnsop, dprive, doh, quic, tls, httpbis, anima, rtcweb, = trans, capport, mmusic, mls, 6man >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > People who must be present: > Paul E. Hoffman >=20 > Resources Requested: >=20 > Special Requests: >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github From nobody Mon Oct 1 10:25:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE0B130E74; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 10:25:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: ietf-and-github@ietf.org, wugh-chairs@ietf.org, lflynn@amsl.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.85.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <153841472143.21533.663952780357488433.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 10:25:21 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Ietf-and-github] wugh - Update to a Meeting Session Request for IETF 103 X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 17:25:22 -0000 An update to a meeting session request has just been submitted by Liz Flynn, on behalf of the wugh working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: WGs Using GitHub Area Name: General Area Session Requester: Liz Flynn Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 100 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: dnsop dprive doh quic tls httpbis anima rtcweb trans capport mmusic mls 6man acme Second Priority: cfrg People who must be present: Paul E. Hoffman Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Wed Oct 3 19:58:00 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE78130DDA for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 19:57:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mnot.net header.b=wysjkUZE; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=bf8aDt3u Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wnqkMtbkJqo3 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 19:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FC09130DD8 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 19:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C55D21C8E for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 22:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 03 Oct 2018 22:57:56 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mnot.net; h=from :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject :message-id:date:to; s=fm3; bh=6xDNdBtQZMLZrIZmlIXuIgv+b0qa7TvRj Wm1qkUxPX8=; b=wysjkUZEH+tuWCJZWW38JkNW1ZvzqpdildfeNLMhGhcYv8WO8 +pV9A/KTRFehfGgzXWQWYOKgwMJ4KfBMLqRNe+XXqxGjBEsHuznzdRyi7TdTFiPB A8s2gSvNTgFGnr/+60W7akU1f9YKaG0GYxkH1yfP7TpKv1n5Y9kp1mdSpy0/xGCR 3np9qNPDXR7Ld0zkrTrZixjp5KbW51svETvNCnVtZ33wZgARK/udFQDBD42WCKN0 MERvZYn6gtPranlTdK2woAo7JUM6YhFIosoZJc7Ln3/72QJwqs1UvdZLrAq75xY0 Ur9DJDdr2Kmc3jpWKT9vyEc6gp4G+U3b2mMYg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=6xDNdB tQZMLZrIZmlIXuIgv+b0qa7TvRjWm1qkUxPX8=; b=bf8aDt3ujekR/ETI2V9EaH rFAyXXgf9rBs5n7gVVn9VqghyBfiUYanJ0VCp30szQRd4dpXPoLndk11Xvj2Gc1K wLnsbTuB4si+9O6eaTH3V7uLBd+AZHURdCXHQKHRdtPZ7Jq9Veby5Sfw0ANQJ5IG g8yfNu2zeXagGyKqvyA4aaSnGBne6qPlDqhf1zMQhgUpz+lwLgNEueuCXRJmmWnT miBo2PlCDz1uUyO+QInR3Ig3gJC6nDgfuTyZcjqzAlfP3U2dU4me2Hy9Uip1RZ+t 5RvWQ/8G8kNTqf8vecs1XJvxTShz53jPCmTjfPjtxWWqLuzB7sV+3JxgirCQ8oMg == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy: Received: from attitudadjuster.mnot.net (unknown [144.136.175.28]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A32B9E47C7 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 22:57:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Nottingham Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.0 \(3445.100.39\)) Message-Id: <0D67CDC1-93DC-4017-8A75-96E62891104B@mnot.net> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2018 12:57:51 +1000 To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.100.39) Archived-At: Subject: [Ietf-and-github] Working group metadata discoverability and quality X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 02:58:00 -0000 Hello, A request from a researcher got me thinking -- they wanted to know the = most effective way to search mailing and issues lists across the IETF. We do mailing lists pretty well, but since we're moving to GitHub, it's = more difficult to easily find this information in a uniform fashion. = More generally, as more and more WGs use GitHub, managing information = about them is going to be more difficult. The W3C has embraced GitHub strongly, and it might be worth taking a = look at what they do in this area. For example, they define a small JSON = file to contain repo metadata, so that they can automatically collect = org-specific information. See: https://w3c.github.io/w3c.json.html The most obvious application of this sort of technique for me is to = adapt how the tools and data tracker link to various WG artefacts. For = example, datatracker could use this to turn off the TRAC links for the = working group, and point to the appropriate places on GitHub instead. We = could even look at hooking up a repo to the materials for a group, so = chairs didn't have to keep them in sync (see = and = ).=20 See also: https://w3c.github.io <-- how W3C uses GitHub generally https://github.com/w3c/w3c-api <-- a HTTP API that W3C exposes Thoughts? -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Wed Oct 3 22:55:58 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A85DC130DE7 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 22:55:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZT5Yz2MStNH1 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 22:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emh06.mail.saunalahti.fi (emh06.mail.saunalahti.fi [62.142.5.116]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11CC2130DDF for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 22:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eggert.org (unknown [62.248.255.56]) by emh06.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 619F0300CE; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 08:55:50 +0300 (EEST) Received: from slate.eggert.org (pf.eggert.org [172.16.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by eggert.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D96DB600012; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 08:55:44 +0300 (EEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.0 \(3445.100.39\)) From: Lars Eggert In-Reply-To: <0D67CDC1-93DC-4017-8A75-96E62891104B@mnot.net> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2018 08:55:44 +0300 Cc: ietf-and-github@ietf.org, Niels ten Oever Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <73AE0838-7C21-4B69-BA74-86E04999017D@eggert.org> References: <0D67CDC1-93DC-4017-8A75-96E62891104B@mnot.net> To: Mark Nottingham X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.100.39) X-MailScanner-ID: D96DB600012.A2BE7 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: lars@eggert.org Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Working group metadata discoverability and quality X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 05:55:56 -0000 Hi, On 2018-10-4, at 5:57, Mark Nottingham wrote: > A request from a researcher got me thinking -- they wanted to know the = most effective way to search mailing and issues lists across the IETF. Niels & folks have been doing a hackathon project = (https://datactive.github.io/bigbang/) that is doing just that - they = might have an idea about tooling. Lars >=20 > We do mailing lists pretty well, but since we're moving to GitHub, = it's more difficult to easily find this information in a uniform = fashion. More generally, as more and more WGs use GitHub, managing = information about them is going to be more difficult. >=20 > The W3C has embraced GitHub strongly, and it might be worth taking a = look at what they do in this area. For example, they define a small JSON = file to contain repo metadata, so that they can automatically collect = org-specific information. See: > https://w3c.github.io/w3c.json.html >=20 > The most obvious application of this sort of technique for me is to = adapt how the tools and data tracker link to various WG artefacts. For = example, datatracker could use this to turn off the TRAC links for the = working group, and point to the appropriate places on GitHub instead. We = could even look at hooking up a repo to the materials for a group, so = chairs didn't have to keep them in sync (see = and = ).=20 >=20 > See also: > https://w3c.github.io <-- how W3C uses GitHub generally > https://github.com/w3c/w3c-api <-- a HTTP API that W3C exposes >=20 > Thoughts? >=20 > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github From nobody Sun Oct 7 19:43:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1198B128766 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 19:43:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mnot.net header.b=EMfd6TTK; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=Ai/1dcC5 Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sZjkuE_NUFqJ for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 19:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D33B1200D7 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 19:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31C221F39; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 22:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 07 Oct 2018 22:43:21 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mnot.net; h= content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s=fm3; bh=4 YaAwpAjfaZvxDPs6qiCSAnN0hUblASaYDnZZokECtw=; b=EMfd6TTK2lBf7rhu7 i8p9qxHHKWpT6Ej/pXhqBneSq4x9yckqkAdx3xPKdNZUAWgwswJ+nhurKMonQf+X kVQGKtaDeIJdKysjhfXa4/Dop25p5DMjEYtT9+3+jaGZQ7rw87fMi0SqiY3xqkcK GfA9accG5A087HfMBK7xrCl9Onv3sOabLhrZyq4U+ekQJBatLuJOHeQOXMC8Nfzy Q6eQi+Qm9Gl73lWwNBWQrm3Q0RQyKF1hZ/AN15tXHNemIgYTk8/b9kxGDU9qbtcO yxMx0KY8r0rjevrEDSLEZCj7k7hyKgrpvSOnyFewi3q6CUL4KH6DYPRQooElmrjC RAt3Q== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=4YaAwpAjfaZvxDPs6qiCSAnN0hUblASaYDnZZokEC tw=; b=Ai/1dcC5M69FRfdpfRcjQoDUMc/h09zlfsKci7mMedBcaiv98iDhaNusk aKMpvimwH8h9zMtPTILZA44uQurDRF+BX/OQ9tOyzns9MJZsFHVs2iA8yc8HiAbn tD1pWe3yrdv2EG/Y2CVMmgK20FeHS7E4NIOhm+4VqoSHOFxHWwXx/2zSuczXbmU5 OnQwtlp7lkAzwN/m7ZbBwLuEHTPj1MFMIxxDARvOjPgqz1jOvng9LDOMkn4Ggx5p gfUoVmjw3e8GA12vTnvcZK9czfZMGBRIF8JHXnOqidzjJtL8NOYbko029om0AYuE ZCbyiHGmOBHaByKGjHkVC2zEICb9A== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy: Received: from attitudadjuster.mnot.net (unknown [144.136.175.28]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6A9ECE4123; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 22:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.0 \(3445.100.39\)) From: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: <73AE0838-7C21-4B69-BA74-86E04999017D@eggert.org> Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 13:43:16 +1100 Cc: ietf-and-github@ietf.org, Niels ten Oever Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5B39C7D2-50E9-44F5-92FB-5F77C6A85005@mnot.net> References: <0D67CDC1-93DC-4017-8A75-96E62891104B@mnot.net> <73AE0838-7C21-4B69-BA74-86E04999017D@eggert.org> To: Lars Eggert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.100.39) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Working group metadata discoverability and quality X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2018 02:43:27 -0000 That's interesting. However, I was thinking more about augmenting the = data tracker with additional information, so that we could find and = display relevant metadata in our systems, as well as allow third parties = to find / use it. E.g., we're continuously having discussions about how people file errata = that aren't appropriate, but we don't give them good advice about how to = raise issues with existing RFCs. If there were the ability to associate = an issue tracker with a published RFC and it was highlighted in the = tools.ietf.org/html page (and elsewhere), I think that would be very = useful. The errata page could also take advantage of this information, = and direct people who aren't filing "real" errata to the right place. Cheers, > On 4 Oct 2018, at 3:55 pm, Lars Eggert wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > On 2018-10-4, at 5:57, Mark Nottingham wrote: >> A request from a researcher got me thinking -- they wanted to know = the most effective way to search mailing and issues lists across the = IETF. >=20 > Niels & folks have been doing a hackathon project = (https://datactive.github.io/bigbang/) that is doing just that - they = might have an idea about tooling. >=20 > Lars >=20 >>=20 >> We do mailing lists pretty well, but since we're moving to GitHub, = it's more difficult to easily find this information in a uniform = fashion. More generally, as more and more WGs use GitHub, managing = information about them is going to be more difficult. >>=20 >> The W3C has embraced GitHub strongly, and it might be worth taking a = look at what they do in this area. For example, they define a small JSON = file to contain repo metadata, so that they can automatically collect = org-specific information. See: >> https://w3c.github.io/w3c.json.html >>=20 >> The most obvious application of this sort of technique for me is to = adapt how the tools and data tracker link to various WG artefacts. For = example, datatracker could use this to turn off the TRAC links for the = working group, and point to the appropriate places on GitHub instead. We = could even look at hooking up a repo to the materials for a group, so = chairs didn't have to keep them in sync (see = and = ).=20 >>=20 >> See also: >> https://w3c.github.io <-- how W3C uses GitHub generally >> https://github.com/w3c/w3c-api <-- a HTTP API that W3C exposes >>=20 >> Thoughts? >>=20 >> -- >> Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf-and-github mailing list >> Ietf-and-github@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Tue Oct 9 23:41:34 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C61130E8E for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 23:41:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4lr8BOK_3vYh for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 23:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ot1-x344.google.com (mail-ot1-x344.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::344]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDAD0130E99 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 23:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ot1-x344.google.com with SMTP id w67so4259822ota.7 for ; Tue, 09 Oct 2018 23:41:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XUROBgShUxLWubK3sdRHa8jNwWxKoyQTFDjaqzZvpfM=; b=h6f/hvs7/IcMiC4IyNd4wr/NPvy3Bj3xp0B7iB9juYY06BByxYfsf+UoNyXiMngrLm W43JqP7OBi8BoFhvQAcc7nmxvW/fLdI8Ulg8c2F+Dhm+r7Xrj51pCnsCllPa07S4m6vt JRccqBbUT0rXYpOxrh6foDBje442yC/cB6L1qBIdNKHORUwhQV4XAI/m1wow1DIWCr/n /1u87IvYnr2v1PKs5w5P0GixADYPKdT7KMW8l1JiXUlvkNmSDi+LWpCrTQYxpD7pgyWX /OD4MKO1I/oMSP3K8reQSYRvR6Sn7feY/if0gQ4uLV0Tbtp71jhcHZK6n/B2K0CJcjII 6+rA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XUROBgShUxLWubK3sdRHa8jNwWxKoyQTFDjaqzZvpfM=; b=ke0a5jXvEOyhVWmhULPwLNQZzGPGtlFhL5DqAMs9Q7eH5GhsXNDSaa8+cdDZM1Z6jt 4VxZTaucyRKSDGfhtXOnB5yhYiWey0CIs4UTIBge/LoITp3JFASzBMQH/fHoUZquwg6i T+FUV+gTAyC23lpWZiUyrKkI6edNBq5vWkWHrtF938gh8XSkDxyl0peiYNA+3Udw8hPK fV9kl9LZLlwYT5havgX90zmT9tC9S1S9RU+VqzK3Co1em3xVaPUxvhdw9HtvBIjYl0py 0144QyRaGXAb8KC5UuyLr5ZuCa10x4Cufya/8zcWihpvbx4OIe9PH1Tn3QVr4a2bf1s0 DXSA== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfojjfy07hKii7m2T+h/7CeyhQS+bw5oiaDMoD2pSGYA1zN8Ezyxq hDwztMjq3Zkg3zzUo4Az5xFO3VEYK6AOLajMPrk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV62Qs9sKANcrHfL4ZOEmwKrqe9Ait6EYZcNvkQOK0op/wGYcntb+z0hjhESSeFX3lccxVyZl4ieOsthqH4xxCws= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:bb8:: with SMTP id 53mr449359oth.120.1539153675192; Tue, 09 Oct 2018 23:41:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0D67CDC1-93DC-4017-8A75-96E62891104B@mnot.net> <73AE0838-7C21-4B69-BA74-86E04999017D@eggert.org> <5B39C7D2-50E9-44F5-92FB-5F77C6A85005@mnot.net> In-Reply-To: <5B39C7D2-50E9-44F5-92FB-5F77C6A85005@mnot.net> From: Martin Thomson Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 17:41:16 +1100 Message-ID: To: Mark Nottingham Cc: Lars Eggert , ietf-and-github@ietf.org, mail@nielstenoever.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Working group metadata discoverability and quality X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 06:41:19 -0000 Oh, you mean simple things like: https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/2548 https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/2549 https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/2550 Along with the UX to present that information. ? On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:43 PM Mark Nottingham wrote: > > That's interesting. However, I was thinking more about augmenting the dat= a tracker with additional information, so that we could find and display re= levant metadata in our systems, as well as allow third parties to find / us= e it. > > E.g., we're continuously having discussions about how people file errata = that aren't appropriate, but we don't give them good advice about how to ra= ise issues with existing RFCs. If there were the ability to associate an is= sue tracker with a published RFC and it was highlighted in the tools.ietf.o= rg/html page (and elsewhere), I think that would be very useful. The errata= page could also take advantage of this information, and direct people who = aren't filing "real" errata to the right place. > > Cheers, > > > > > On 4 Oct 2018, at 3:55 pm, Lars Eggert wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > On 2018-10-4, at 5:57, Mark Nottingham wrote: > >> A request from a researcher got me thinking -- they wanted to know the= most effective way to search mailing and issues lists across the IETF. > > > > Niels & folks have been doing a hackathon project (https://datactive.gi= thub.io/bigbang/) that is doing just that - they might have an idea about t= ooling. > > > > Lars > > > >> > >> We do mailing lists pretty well, but since we're moving to GitHub, it'= s more difficult to easily find this information in a uniform fashion. More= generally, as more and more WGs use GitHub, managing information about the= m is going to be more difficult. > >> > >> The W3C has embraced GitHub strongly, and it might be worth taking a l= ook at what they do in this area. For example, they define a small JSON fil= e to contain repo metadata, so that they can automatically collect org-spec= ific information. See: > >> https://w3c.github.io/w3c.json.html > >> > >> The most obvious application of this sort of technique for me is to ad= apt how the tools and data tracker link to various WG artefacts. For exampl= e, datatracker could use this to turn off the TRAC links for the working gr= oup, and point to the appropriate places on GitHub instead. We could even l= ook at hooking up a repo to the materials for a group, so chairs didn't hav= e to keep them in sync (see and <= https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/>). > >> > >> See also: > >> https://w3c.github.io <-- how W3C uses GitHub generally > >> https://github.com/w3c/w3c-api <-- a HTTP API that W3C exposes > >> > >> Thoughts? > >> > >> -- > >> Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ietf-and-github mailing list > >> Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ietf-and-github mailing list > > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github > > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github From nobody Tue Oct 9 23:47:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1796D130E99 for ; 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b=BJ8EmgtBiIUXLRV0ru2wayqHNTEA3cMAUZhraVjzqwDVZMbHznD6J3DV8 rImfLpU186CJ+O8R/sRw2nVFG0q2Mi47OYl3P3CZzC4v3PNtNFg3HhMsaDcZS6E3 WyyCTIcPbashw6UspbhB0l91xYns9SQdqJjX+m31bbxIElbnhQC9obKxeduvSI9q 4jDUjohygN+A358ME3eQ/PwrdNdNOpPIHFhXDWd7VKHLXNEnHKM9pajV40U6sTMK kNQjy4QoeFVmKXiMWj1YbvGUd8r0yvxwAj0JZAdCEj9pEAivDdj5uoQ10PqhRwV9 s1Ff3XrEegausJmmCYmFFsQJMmVyA== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy: Received: from attitudadjuster.mnot.net (unknown [144.136.175.28]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1234A102DD; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 02:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.0 \(3445.100.39\)) From: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 17:46:46 +1100 Cc: Lars Eggert , ietf-and-github@ietf.org, Niels ten Oever Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1165FDF3-7906-40AF-AB90-BBB66682DC42@mnot.net> References: <0D67CDC1-93DC-4017-8A75-96E62891104B@mnot.net> <73AE0838-7C21-4B69-BA74-86E04999017D@eggert.org> <5B39C7D2-50E9-44F5-92FB-5F77C6A85005@mnot.net> To: Martin Thomson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.100.39) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Working group metadata discoverability and quality X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 06:47:09 -0000 Yarp. > On 10 Oct 2018, at 5:41 pm, Martin Thomson = wrote: >=20 > Oh, you mean simple things like: >=20 > https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/2548 > https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/2549 > https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/2550 >=20 > Along with the UX to present that information. ? >=20 > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:43 PM Mark Nottingham wrote: >>=20 >> That's interesting. However, I was thinking more about augmenting the = data tracker with additional information, so that we could find and = display relevant metadata in our systems, as well as allow third parties = to find / use it. >>=20 >> E.g., we're continuously having discussions about how people file = errata that aren't appropriate, but we don't give them good advice about = how to raise issues with existing RFCs. If there were the ability to = associate an issue tracker with a published RFC and it was highlighted = in the tools.ietf.org/html page (and elsewhere), I think that would be = very useful. The errata page could also take advantage of this = information, and direct people who aren't filing "real" errata to the = right place. >>=20 >> Cheers, >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 4 Oct 2018, at 3:55 pm, Lars Eggert wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> On 2018-10-4, at 5:57, Mark Nottingham wrote: >>>> A request from a researcher got me thinking -- they wanted to know = the most effective way to search mailing and issues lists across the = IETF. >>>=20 >>> Niels & folks have been doing a hackathon project = (https://datactive.github.io/bigbang/) that is doing just that - they = might have an idea about tooling. >>>=20 >>> Lars >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> We do mailing lists pretty well, but since we're moving to GitHub, = it's more difficult to easily find this information in a uniform = fashion. More generally, as more and more WGs use GitHub, managing = information about them is going to be more difficult. >>>>=20 >>>> The W3C has embraced GitHub strongly, and it might be worth taking = a look at what they do in this area. For example, they define a small = JSON file to contain repo metadata, so that they can automatically = collect org-specific information. See: >>>> https://w3c.github.io/w3c.json.html >>>>=20 >>>> The most obvious application of this sort of technique for me is to = adapt how the tools and data tracker link to various WG artefacts. For = example, datatracker could use this to turn off the TRAC links for the = working group, and point to the appropriate places on GitHub instead. We = could even look at hooking up a repo to the materials for a group, so = chairs didn't have to keep them in sync (see = and = ). >>>>=20 >>>> See also: >>>> https://w3c.github.io <-- how W3C uses GitHub generally >>>> https://github.com/w3c/w3c-api <-- a HTTP API that W3C exposes >>>>=20 >>>> Thoughts? >>>>=20 >>>> -- >>>> Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ietf-and-github mailing list >>>> Ietf-and-github@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ietf-and-github mailing list >>> Ietf-and-github@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github >>=20 >> -- >> Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf-and-github mailing list >> Ietf-and-github@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Tue Oct 9 23:52:26 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3DE130DE1 for ; 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b=K/cK/cXKgxCEuiqQDm7kKAC1rDWgljTUgY5s2TRXY6X94pylIdPyrAfIw pWr8rJh0gt+VT27CE1O5kasZxjh1Tf1VTlGqDLMxy78PKYc8RlSmgaUmpTie3U8O C11DHnPMggzZyByUimnqHdHZq7v/VpJq+yXav1D0ZZcE3w0FDRBDGgY8c6g+FZ7O 8uWzLNFtvP/LSivYOihljjyBz+Xd2MnWFWy11MKcwiBBSObr3ReD0XzNklaRy+po 07EPFFQ9KTcG13JH46mtFDg38Tzo3KJFWALyhhefHYc8fFwIpGetlUoIyF+/fVFn uquAWKdE3tWUdSWfjQ4qD47BMKcFw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy: Received: from attitudadjuster.mnot.net (unknown [144.136.175.28]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 95C4F102ED; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 02:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.0 \(3445.100.39\)) From: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 17:52:10 +1100 Cc: Lars Eggert , ietf-and-github@ietf.org, Niels ten Oever Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <0D67CDC1-93DC-4017-8A75-96E62891104B@mnot.net> <73AE0838-7C21-4B69-BA74-86E04999017D@eggert.org> <5B39C7D2-50E9-44F5-92FB-5F77C6A85005@mnot.net> To: Martin Thomson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.100.39) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Working group metadata discoverability and quality X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 06:52:25 -0000 To extend this -- if there were a well-known way to find an issues list = for a given RFC, and a stable URL for it (possibly provided by a = redirection service, possibly hosted by the IETF), we could advertise = that in RFCs themselves, so that the errata aren't crowded out by people = asking questions and discussing more substantive issues. > On 10 Oct 2018, at 5:41 pm, Martin Thomson = wrote: >=20 > Oh, you mean simple things like: >=20 > https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/2548 > https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/2549 > https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/2550 >=20 > Along with the UX to present that information. ? >=20 > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:43 PM Mark Nottingham wrote: >>=20 >> That's interesting. However, I was thinking more about augmenting the = data tracker with additional information, so that we could find and = display relevant metadata in our systems, as well as allow third parties = to find / use it. >>=20 >> E.g., we're continuously having discussions about how people file = errata that aren't appropriate, but we don't give them good advice about = how to raise issues with existing RFCs. If there were the ability to = associate an issue tracker with a published RFC and it was highlighted = in the tools.ietf.org/html page (and elsewhere), I think that would be = very useful. The errata page could also take advantage of this = information, and direct people who aren't filing "real" errata to the = right place. >>=20 >> Cheers, >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 4 Oct 2018, at 3:55 pm, Lars Eggert wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> On 2018-10-4, at 5:57, Mark Nottingham wrote: >>>> A request from a researcher got me thinking -- they wanted to know = the most effective way to search mailing and issues lists across the = IETF. >>>=20 >>> Niels & folks have been doing a hackathon project = (https://datactive.github.io/bigbang/) that is doing just that - they = might have an idea about tooling. >>>=20 >>> Lars >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> We do mailing lists pretty well, but since we're moving to GitHub, = it's more difficult to easily find this information in a uniform = fashion. More generally, as more and more WGs use GitHub, managing = information about them is going to be more difficult. >>>>=20 >>>> The W3C has embraced GitHub strongly, and it might be worth taking = a look at what they do in this area. For example, they define a small = JSON file to contain repo metadata, so that they can automatically = collect org-specific information. See: >>>> https://w3c.github.io/w3c.json.html >>>>=20 >>>> The most obvious application of this sort of technique for me is to = adapt how the tools and data tracker link to various WG artefacts. For = example, datatracker could use this to turn off the TRAC links for the = working group, and point to the appropriate places on GitHub instead. We = could even look at hooking up a repo to the materials for a group, so = chairs didn't have to keep them in sync (see = and = ). >>>>=20 >>>> See also: >>>> https://w3c.github.io <-- how W3C uses GitHub generally >>>> https://github.com/w3c/w3c-api <-- a HTTP API that W3C exposes >>>>=20 >>>> Thoughts? >>>>=20 >>>> -- >>>> Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ietf-and-github mailing list >>>> Ietf-and-github@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ietf-and-github mailing list >>> Ietf-and-github@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github >>=20 >> -- >> Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf-and-github mailing list >> Ietf-and-github@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Fri Oct 19 11:59:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BF51310BB; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 11:56:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.87.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <153997539027.6592.4534122822363210437.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 11:56:30 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Ietf-and-github] wugh - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 103 X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 18:56:38 -0000 Dear Cindy Morgan, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. wugh Session 1 (1:30 requested) Wednesday, 7 November 2018, Afternoon Session I 1350-1520 Room Name: Meeting 2 size: 150 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/sessions/wugh.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: WGs Using GitHub Area Name: General Area Session Requester: Cindy Morgan Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 100 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: 6man mls mmusic capport trans rtcweb anima httpbis tls quic doh dprive dnsop acme Second Priority: cfrg People who must be present: Paul E. Hoffman Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Fri Oct 26 09:12:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C4BB130DF6 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 09:12:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pQj0CPWyFS5F for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 09:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out.west.pexch112.icann.org (out.west.pexch112.icann.org [64.78.40.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5B87130DD4 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 09:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.21) by PMBX112-W1-CA-2.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1367.3; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 09:12:34 -0700 Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org ([64.78.40.21]) by PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG ([64.78.40.21]) with mapi id 15.00.1367.000; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 09:12:34 -0700 From: Paul Hoffman To: "ietf-and-github@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Proposed agenda for the upcoming meeting Thread-Index: AQHUbUa0FZNxhrLZpUS6wdzSVrKXYw== Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 16:12:34 +0000 Message-ID: <26D25DA4-9DC8-4631-AC05-9728E79B0910@icann.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [192.0.32.234] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5F1F4668-5A42-4C45-A8BC-F1BF3064F4F3"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Ietf-and-github] Proposed agenda for the upcoming meeting X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 16:12:38 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_5F1F4668-5A42-4C45-A8BC-F1BF3064F4F3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii WUGH BoF IETF 103, Bangkok Wednesday 7 November 2018, 1350-1520 GitHub Configuration for IETF Working Groups, = , = 30 min Using GitHub at the IETF, = , 30 min WG experiences from the floor, 30 min =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Martin: will you have slides for the discussion of you long-expired = draft? Rest of you: who wants to do a 5 minute presentation on interesting = experiences from a WG you are in? 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(version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 26 Oct 2018 12:35:16 -0700 (PDT) To: Dan York , "ietf-and-github@ietf.org" References: <0CAD8568-3AE9-4D78-8971-D7601ABFB837@isoc.org> From: Brian E Carpenter Message-ID: <0f277286-8ef3-f5d4-4572-d237fe8d3476@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 08:35:12 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0CAD8568-3AE9-4D78-8971-D7601ABFB837@isoc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Doing a diff - and providing guidance on how structure files in a repo X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 19:35:20 -0000 Dan, > 1. it would be great if the mythical =E2=80=9Csomeone=E2=80=9D wrote up= instructions or a tutorial about how to easily see a =E2=80=9Cdiff=E2=80= =9D between versions using the Github web interface (IF a repo is structu= red in a way this will work). Or if there are other tools / sites that c= an do this easier. (And if such documents are already out there, it would= be great to know.) I don't think that github's rather old fashioned way of showing diffs is = very helpful. IMHO, for our purposes, an 'rfcdiff' is by far the most use= ful format. So personally in such a case I generate a .txt file from the = latest .xml, and run rfcdiff against the previous version. Some tooling t= o do that would be great. 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Or if there are other tools / = sites that can do this easier. (And if such documents are already out = there, it would be great to know.) >=20 > I don't think that github's rather old fashioned way of showing diffs = is very helpful. IMHO, for our purposes, an 'rfcdiff' is by far the most = useful format. So personally in such a case I generate a .txt file from = the latest .xml, and run rfcdiff against the previous version. Some = tooling to do that would be great. Please see Martin Thomson=E2=80=99s template and the way we generate = diffs from the README, e.g., in https://github.com/core-wg/multipart-ct This also works for revisions in branches. 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Or if there are other tools / sites that c= an do this easier. (And if such documents are already out there, it would= be great to know.) >> >> I don't think that github's rather old fashioned way of showing diffs = is very helpful. IMHO, for our purposes, an 'rfcdiff' is by far the most = useful format. So personally in such a case I generate a .txt file from t= he latest .xml, and run rfcdiff against the previous version. Some toolin= g to do that would be great. >=20 > Please see Martin Thomson=E2=80=99s template and the way we generate di= ffs from the README, e.g., in >=20 > https://github.com/core-wg/multipart-ct >=20 > This also works for revisions in branches. "Compare Editor's Copy to Working Group Draft" is perfect. However, IMHO https://github.com/martinthomson/i-d-template/blob/master/d= oc/SETUP.md sets the bar quite high, especially the need to rely on cygwin for Window= s users. In my experience that is not a happy dependency. 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I don=E2=80=99t have any experience with this (I stopped working with = Windows in 2003), but maybe people who have Windows can share some war = stories. We could also try to find Windows ports of all tools =E2=80=94 that=E2=80=99= s easy for Python and Ruby, but the template is based on GNU make, which = indeed seems easiest to run based on Cygwin or WSL. Maybe =E2=80=9Csomeon= e=E2=80=9D should port the template to Python or Ruby (e.g., it should = be =E2=80=9Ceasy=E2=80=9D to convert the Makefiles from Make to Rake, = which would also get rid of the Makefile cruft)=E2=80=A6 Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten [WSL]: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10 From nobody Mon Oct 29 08:42:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2FD9130FDE for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2018 08:42:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lwjPef5VrgNa for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2018 08:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lj1-x231.google.com (mail-lj1-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B6B412D4F0 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2018 08:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x231.google.com with SMTP id c4-v6so8266774lja.4 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2018 08:42:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=+Zklz3jXoZBmbgYsO30aM+nAcniwFI4D5aHMBay6npA=; b=h2Zf4m3b/WzBOUHb9vzfK2MoOl4mL+Kl3QEKRX//cxfKhQa+x6ioexmd1o6sKskafO IqyCJJO70OkUk/cjt6027NeHI2gey2FRfnukZQRufo6UQ0NXkiDlgtA8wg2msYiuB8+P Za6M4MSaaRqMSOD6mL9bgWCh/O+NOqim3p5krqaCW3WQdOLQ2tfF22RvnP4yZJtBwrYL +56DkXsIvT5b/2NH3AjqzsbJ7Y5H/eOjZ5bOKZNMQDuSHzROFMZpTVyUReficTSG9AUw 1ZMcEMI0O2ahXbYdancFkqlmDr1bjBscyfichNlYXsPlBwAj48e95yauq0i6zX6uUUkY 95Gg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+Zklz3jXoZBmbgYsO30aM+nAcniwFI4D5aHMBay6npA=; b=aURZ+Z1upIUdfCdoRv5qGh/MGjafKM6dDA87GUsYe0lOJyV7UbP47ePudP7B3eZOGY RUpnDRm1zTi43dkbnTWv1xRVBa1YcaDlZ6tqV/vJSTkRHnx1imBtCbhkC0WmxXnhpDcc PpcV+JCyl8ixNmh3wNDGDbKRP6aPMpdx1DOXz8Ayg49+4Nr3uvv7i3fNOd9KJH93Pmtz gwAI/pGnXzhTiq0tCftTF9EtTuN2HLR3J/wAQVa8YvRmmEo6z445JdqJZODgF6oVDsTw YGGdQPIYyNChSN+CuMgGiWH5cUCYxtPZ7QkysAzjeJm+b1RTA8vR741cGQxTIRtQYeHD qPqA== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gKnGc3Vn7IEgZTLeVpHXo1IPHHpL9jFSyeWXFUL9hiWSUrIoDkV kADRK44kt2oPBKH5UPesk0Meyi60LQzmHI0OQsOxrw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5cHQ3bCYE9BWnfayIEo5aX6lAEhsTI4ZPZfkanY4jtAYi3isogs0eDuJRgcjV0/K5+qy/jp0PQGFGc5pAAYnV0= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9819:: with SMTP id a25-v6mr4226193ljj.6.1540827726326; Mon, 29 Oct 2018 08:42:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0CAD8568-3AE9-4D78-8971-D7601ABFB837@isoc.org> <0f277286-8ef3-f5d4-4572-d237fe8d3476@gmail.com> <2b487182-e418-776b-45b9-1b311b7a3202@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 10:41:54 -0500 Message-ID: To: Carsten Bormann Cc: Brian E Carpenter , Dan York , ietf-and-github@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000049b0b005795fe99f" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Doing a diff - and providing guidance on how structure files in a repo X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 15:42:12 -0000 --00000000000049b0b005795fe99f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, warning, technical insight from an AD incoming, but ... On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 3:55 AM Carsten Bormann wrote: > On Oct 27, 2018, at 03:51, Brian E Carpenter > wrote: > > > > the need to rely on cygwin for Windows users > > The modern way to run open source software on a Windows laptop seems to b= e > the =E2=80=9CWindows subsystem for Linux=E2=80=9D [WSL] (which really is = a Linux subsystem > for Windows, go figure). > I don=E2=80=99t have any experience with this (I stopped working with Win= dows in > 2003), but maybe people who have Windows can share some war stories. > I had my USB stick IN MY HAND to set my Dell Win10 box up for dual-boot Ubuntu about a year ago, and googled one more thing, and tripped over WSL. WSL works well enough for me to use it to install the kramdown-rfc2329 and XML2RFC toolsets and do my draft for PANRG, and I've done enough work to think I'm past the biggest dumb mistakes I could make (he said optimistically). For anyone who's also using Win10, searching for "Linux" in the Microsoft Store pops you up Debian, Ubuntu, two flavors of SUSE, and Kali distributions (I use Ubuntu). When I did my first install, there were a bunch of manual steps I had to trace down, but the way things are now, if you can install Microsoft Office, you can install some Linux distribution pretty much the same way. I'm probably bringing an Ubuntu netbook to Thailand, just because it's really cheap and I would care less if anything happened to it, but WSL is pretty serviceable for me. And what I'd REALLY like to do, is get a version of Linux that's stable enough to use on my Chromebook - that's why I got one with 32 GB of memory and 4 GB of RAM. I haven't checked in a couple of weeks, but it's not quite there yet, last time I checked. Maybe in Prague ... Spencer > > We could also try to find Windows ports of all tools =E2=80=94 that=E2=80= =99s easy for > Python and Ruby, but the template is based on GNU make, which indeed seem= s > easiest to run based on Cygwin or WSL. Maybe =E2=80=9Csomeone=E2=80=9D s= hould port the > template to Python or Ruby (e.g., it should be =E2=80=9Ceasy=E2=80=9D to = convert the > Makefiles from Make to Rake, which would also get rid of the Makefile > cruft)=E2=80=A6 > > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > > [WSL]: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10 > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github > --00000000000049b0b005795fe99f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, warning, technical insight from an AD incoming, but = ...=C2=A0

On Sat, Oct 2= 7, 2018 at 3:55 AM Carsten Bormann <cabo= @tzi.org> wrote:
On Oct 27, = 2018, at 03:51, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
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> the need to rely on cygwin for Windows users

The modern way to run open source software on a Windows laptop seems to be = the =E2=80=9CWindows subsystem for Linux=E2=80=9D [WSL] (which really is a = Linux subsystem for Windows, go figure).
I don=E2=80=99t have any experience with this (I stopped working with Windo= ws in 2003), but maybe people who have Windows can share some war stories.<= br>

I had my USB stick IN MY HAND to set my= Dell Win10 box up for dual-boot Ubuntu about a year ago, and googled one m= ore thing, and tripped over WSL.

WSL works well en= ough for me to use it to install the kramdown-rfc2329 and XML2RFC toolsets = and do my draft for PANRG, and I've done enough work to think I'm p= ast the biggest dumb mistakes I could make (he said optimistically).=C2=A0<= /div>

For anyone who's also using Win10, searching f= or "Linux" in the Microsoft Store pops you up Debian, Ubuntu, two= flavors of SUSE, and Kali distributions (I use Ubuntu).=C2=A0
When I did my first install, there were a bunch of manual step= s I had to trace down, but the way things are now, if you can install Micro= soft Office, you can install some Linux distribution pretty much the same w= ay.=C2=A0

I'm probably bringing an Ubuntu netb= ook to Thailand, just because it's really cheap and I would care less i= f anything happened to it, but WSL is pretty serviceable for me.=C2=A0

And what I'd REALLY like to do, is get a version o= f Linux that's stable enough to use on my Chromebook - that's why I= got one with 32 GB of memory and 4 GB of RAM. I haven't checked in a c= ouple of weeks, but it's not quite there yet, last time I checked.=C2= =A0

Maybe in Prague ...

S= pencer
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We could also try to find Windows ports of all tools =E2=80=94 that=E2=80= =99s easy for Python and Ruby, but the template is based on GNU make, which= indeed seems easiest to run based on Cygwin or WSL.=C2=A0 Maybe =E2=80=9Cs= omeone=E2=80=9D should port the template to Python or Ruby (e.g., it should= be =E2=80=9Ceasy=E2=80=9D to convert the Makefiles from Make to Rake, whic= h would also get rid of the Makefile cruft)=E2=80=A6

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten

[WSL]: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/wi= ndows/wsl/install-win10

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