From nobody Fri Mar 1 07:58:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F5D12894E for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2019 07:58:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.749 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.749 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fFSSihNkTuJd for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2019 07:58:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yw1-xc2b.google.com (mail-yw1-xc2b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c2b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EE39124C04 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2019 07:58:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-yw1-xc2b.google.com with SMTP id k14so14362323ywe.4 for ; Fri, 01 Mar 2019 07:58:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=7wPGjVf/TRNOpI+/WlOqYWgxN/UMmqUGxVDSjiL6F0A=; b=DFTfGc6MpNL2SpESudDce2ImUP2I1ZL8+RY5AZOFK16Vre5OU9PPrzHD/Jn6tsv1e6 1GT96TW3JM8e4vy+IpzBPCrY7pXxbMrx5plNlRpif0lrxFN/WYkv8AKabYqwEl+MvCud ZR2BlJtRtsvcz2bEHvhv5yT2WVpJ7WpzmfOIoj5No8xIJ58YhwfZKKP5NdytcemWfmbb QCyWmw2tdxXTl3RPkVcYa6b0e9B4DszDWHiEUGq50d8MsAY9FDGIbBBgdUtxsetcGsG9 OgCSriBh0vizRlbAAyuKqzouMSy4F/8uom+BY6kApXhCNZqaPkbBz9X/0w6InE/JKKS4 T30w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=7wPGjVf/TRNOpI+/WlOqYWgxN/UMmqUGxVDSjiL6F0A=; b=YbH97unrSNCy0eBWutw/EJ53mQ8HWlJ/gPcZ8W83BqcUSoQ6qkTOuhCkNuPJFvI1a6 OdxdCtVUZ9WqbUpSrgKsMIQ5R1/OJ7P5x3ur4e7gvgyZbElRnHwx8HGhlbUdr2OWRXUm xBWRAyP2NydWG8ElOTCbKz8ECX26k8THcVHWWS59+NiZ0yauaH/0dtRBN/8v4zBEYa8I 8q3r9CBJ8+0c14bbvzyrms9jgoUhE0zDyYkyt0VpCfjDGNTG0lY7swzQ6JYmvsjopmYO Hci5saHTzb+6RcSSUwJbNAYLKIQVQc63R1fo2yNiFUtuOjeRT5b/QHCUMEBPO/dND74A JIvg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUMPvPSaSNqMW2uMjRrkJz5VwVOsHqwWFo6IMRyJSnkuRH2p08V D2UTZGvskRIf9mxXI8PdjZHXu1cklorjWkRHRL4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwsOhgxd7ExaoGjCLkLSfczMaFFQ8p3hvbSQrp3kxVNXIfiKtOS0mRhHAIs4P/DynWavlv80O1p1UThtMpKYCA= X-Received: by 2002:a5b:447:: with SMTP id s7mr4516924ybp.168.1551455922316; Fri, 01 Mar 2019 07:58:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0F240492-9F57-4845-B46F-9EAF9ACF7800@akamai.com> In-Reply-To: From: Christopher Wood Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 07:58:31 -0800 Message-ID: To: Eric Rescorla Cc: Joseph Lorenzo Hall , "Salz, Rich" , "ietf-and-github@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Adoption call for draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration* X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 15:58:46 -0000 The adoption call is now finished. It looks like we have consensus to adopt this draft as a working group item. I'll update it as such in the tracker. Best, Chris On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 11:06 AM Eric Rescorla wrote: > > Me as well > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 11:04 AM Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote: >> >> support adoption and can review >> >> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 1:11 PM Salz, Rich wrote: >>> >>> I support this adoption (although I was surprised to see it) and will contribute. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ietf-and-github mailing list >>> Ietf-and-github@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github >> >> >> >> -- >> Joseph Lorenzo Hall >> Chief Technologist, Center for Democracy & Technology [https://www.cdt.org] >> 1401 K ST NW STE 200, Washington DC 20005-3497 >> e: joe@cdt.org, p: 202.407.8825, pgp: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key >> Fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 >> >> Don't miss out! 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Please join us: https://cdt.org/annual-dinner/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf-and-github mailing list >> Ietf-and-github@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github From nobody Fri Mar 1 13:14:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3BF130F75; Fri, 1 Mar 2019 13:10:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: alissa@cooperw.in, ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.92.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <155147460611.6101.11670759182495241871.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 13:10:06 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Ietf-and-github] git - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 104 X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 21:10:19 -0000 Dear Alissa Cooper, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. git Session 1 (1:30 requested) Thursday, 28 March 2019, Morning Session II 1050-1220 Room Name: Congress Hall 3 size: 250 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/sessions/git.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: GitHub Integration and Tooling Area Name: General Area Session Requester: Alissa Cooper Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 75 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: iasa2 stir dispatch capport homenet grow dnsop intarea opsarea rtgarea tsvarea dprive dnssd anima rtcweb pearg hrpc doh mls secdispatch saag acme tls httpbis quic mtgvenue jmap Second Priority: suit teep trans tokbind oauth lamps curdle netmod lisp ippm tsvwg People who must be present: Paul E. Hoffman Martin Thomson Alissa Cooper Christopher A. 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If you have a draft and would like time to discuss it, please let the chairs know, along with how much time you think you=E2=80=99ll need. Note that we only have 90 minutes for our session. Best, Chris From nobody Sun Mar 3 08:07:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A200130DD6 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2019 08:07:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n16wqrzw7QEQ for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2019 08:07:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from out.west.pexch112.icann.org (out.west.pexch112.icann.org [64.78.40.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E00DF12DF71 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2019 08:07:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.21) by PMBX112-W1-CA-2.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1367.3; Sun, 3 Mar 2019 08:07:32 -0800 Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org ([64.78.40.21]) by PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG ([64.78.40.21]) with mapi id 15.00.1367.000; Sun, 3 Mar 2019 08:07:32 -0800 From: Paul Hoffman To: "ietf-and-github@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Adding "beyond GitHub" text to draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration Thread-Index: AQHU0ds1KO8dE2fdtEKkWfd+rXCY/g== Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 16:07:32 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [192.0.32.234] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <56758DB2FBD3254594B9AA97A227AA36@pexch112.icann.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Ietf-and-github] Adding "beyond GitHub" text to draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2019 16:07:37 -0000 Greetings again. Some people have stated concern that this document will ma= ke it look like WGs are expected to use GitHub, even though the document's = Abstract and Introduction say the opposite. Another way help IETF participa= nts who are reading the document understand that this is not the intention = of the document would be to add another sentence at the end of the first pa= ragraph of the Introduction indicating that there are other choices. I prop= ose the following: Some other working groups use or plan to use other tools such at GitLab and= Bitbucket, which have different properties than GitHub. Does that satisfy the concern? If not what additional text would help? --Paul Hoffman= From nobody Sun Mar 3 10:18:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B260128CF3 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2019 10:18:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4a97YLGirrhA for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2019 10:18:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-io1-xd2a.google.com (mail-io1-xd2a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B329130DE9 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2019 10:18:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-io1-xd2a.google.com with SMTP id r136so2252980iod.3 for ; Sun, 03 Mar 2019 10:18:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=4CEP9QxOYXDEZ+22hNCaKPZIVjgD0cM3OJxKu1bi8pE=; b=oqcflIiM2v9bQj8/hIE2kruq73LF3HMHtm5iqeWocstlXKZU2wq2+ZcFUENG4QtjTf FDTLbHTV6RadW/vhPKZRQnF4fm1/354ncLiy3cXwx7kWUt1d3gZA1USaYk7+EJCnWjGW hyW4uucNJJ8w7AzgdvYIfF7rHeLD/tESzCgG8aWG0BbEIlI1cqEoTTXFwBIR9WrsYe6b 7l54PB8/jGUtHTJKnIB2+gCAITYKdjhSfgZQAbOVmDCZOk+XkxKm4jki4oCgQisgTei6 NNkqLFLwFVcVXESs3cE39EZ/I4i/fx4Afh9PACDQZI73K6eTnJRkXuuAN7jHJye4Iwkm V8cA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=4CEP9QxOYXDEZ+22hNCaKPZIVjgD0cM3OJxKu1bi8pE=; b=sLeWrt+wr/mR8AaNtJhI/lkOX3HTSXDKxhHhqYmgqrzPZwQ/XMpeHPTgQoJQeT4RmE XXHv4EOD3Rg3ErjNYjdXa/9UZnV1gJRLNKJ65xjc3Ng/X+/f4FCD8k+G64+gdM9je8VU NL0SoV90F4TPB/Rwbu797+20QK2Z2nh8FCWF0LLvVp9cFAAbPfokHyxuMMdvsKM1sLaV 2ZBoXlvWIPQabIGofCRKjAFoObL6WnpYgbPm1ajip+jBZvPes/0ZJtnGGNS4xLpeZAqO mIJm5BnS6qV9DY9dY825qOwzcfFqeBTt85BpAFuqnK6Ie+uwwTxVNp2NS+vV7+QQG2SZ R1ig== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXSd0XQ5il+MHJouvls1P+tEBg6CljyNGrVHdlx9quFlJfJn0Gd oXQ4FU4S7FUcPFpGOVDGW4mvXOJnz64d3NKXbX0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwYyUXhnlu31Dyfv1qPt5Pnfn26oQR7y2hqgb8A8IpDeku4cMV5m+AUxtH7mBHSYlTBBPhX4SE7BALMMXEfSOY= X-Received: by 2002:a5e:8513:: with SMTP id i19mr7922716ioj.21.1551637130089; Sun, 03 Mar 2019 10:18:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Tim Wicinski Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 13:18:49 -0500 Message-ID: To: Paul Hoffman Cc: "ietf-and-github@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f599a8058334ab54" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Adding "beyond GitHub" text to draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2019 18:18:54 -0000 --000000000000f599a8058334ab54 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" "other code repository services" instead of "tools" but I am probably being pedantic. Tim On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 11:07 AM Paul Hoffman wrote: > Greetings again. Some people have stated concern that this document will > make it look like WGs are expected to use GitHub, even though the > document's Abstract and Introduction say the opposite. Another way help > IETF participants who are reading the document understand that this is not > the intention of the document would be to add another sentence at the end > of the first paragraph of the Introduction indicating that there are other > choices. I propose the following: > > Some other working groups use or plan to use other tools such at GitLab > and Bitbucket, which have different properties than GitHub. > > Does that satisfy the concern? If not what additional text would help? > > --Paul Hoffman > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github > --000000000000f599a8058334ab54 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"other code repository services" instea= d of "tools" but I am probably being pedantic. =C2=A0
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On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 11:07 AM Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org> wrote= :
Greetings again. Some people have stated concer= n that this document will make it look like WGs are expected to use GitHub,= even though the document's Abstract and Introduction say the opposite.= Another way help IETF participants who are reading the document understand= that this is not the intention of the document would be to add another sen= tence at the end of the first paragraph of the Introduction indicating that= there are other choices. I propose the following:

Some other working groups use or plan to use other tools such at GitLab and= Bitbucket, which have different properties than GitHub.

Does that satisfy the concern? If not what additional text would help?

--Paul Hoffman
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([2600:100e:b128:1eaa:5dc6:2ef8:f4cf:207e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u18sm6958037pfa.176.2019.03.03.10.45.43 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 03 Mar 2019 10:45:43 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-99C31B44-23D6-4007-B322-2173494EA6F0 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Bret Jordan X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16D57) In-Reply-To: <92CC039E-69E9-4F9C-A329-B1B0AE0F3DA6@icann.org> Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 11:45:42 -0700 Cc: Stephan Wenger , "ietf-and-github@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <92CC039E-69E9-4F9C-A329-B1B0AE0F3DA6@icann.org> To: Paul Hoffman Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] [Ext] Adding "beyond GitHub" text to draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2019 18:45:49 -0000 --Apple-Mail-99C31B44-23D6-4007-B322-2173494EA6F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe something more simple like Github is one of many methods a WG may use.= .... Bret=20 Sent from my Commodore 128D PGP Fingerprint: 63B4 FC53 680A 6B7D 1447 F2C0 74F8 ACAE 7415 0050 > On Mar 3, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: >=20 >> On Mar 3, 2019, at 10:21 AM, Stephan Wenger wrote: >>=20 >> =E2=80=A6 there are probably still a few WG out who reject all this newfa= ngled stuff and stay with email. >=20 > There are many. >=20 >> Please don=E2=80=99t forget those. >=20 > They are not forgotten. If you have specific text for the current draft th= at would make that more obvious, please suggest. >=20 > --Paul Hoffman > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github --Apple-Mail-99C31B44-23D6-4007-B322-2173494EA6F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe something more simple like Github is o= ne of many methods a WG may use.....

Bret 

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On Mar 3, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org> wrote:

On Mar 3, 2019, at 10:21 AM, Step= han Wenger <stewe@stewe.org> wr= ote:

=E2=80=A6 there are probably still a few WG out w= ho reject all this newfangled stuff and stay with email.

There are many.

Please don=E2=80=99t forget those.

They are not forgotten. If you have specific= text for the current draft that would make that more obvious, please sugges= t.

--Paul Hoffman
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= --Apple-Mail-99C31B44-23D6-4007-B322-2173494EA6F0-- From nobody Mon Mar 4 06:59:35 2019 Return-Path: <0100016949378275-bd915255-7da7-4e79-9828-ec9ba4334ce2-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BAD13108B for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2019 06:59:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kzlogGft04Sq for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2019 06:59:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from a8-32.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-32.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3536131074 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2019 06:59:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=ug7nbtf4gccmlpwj322ax3p6ow6yfsug; d=amazonses.com; t=1551711568; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:Feedback-ID; bh=MtkdisnbKWe5mc5TxB6xiwcjUAFm2xBvzklB9PIcsrY=; b=CX4CbW7Gw/IxshnBWBai5rqRgw42pc3NiZDukRnvrRWUkxIMXbWLzyfuVO27mG4f oCnXEdwbmC4bqYw4vjKdxCGfZGlUaDmw17q5eKsF27LhgxkfulJ2OdA2s9xn7pcm6Jv lYBsRJPh+RLyBkSMpWOurbi6WPobYaDBKJo18wCM= From: Kent Watsen Message-ID: <0100016949378275-bd915255-7da7-4e79-9828-ec9ba4334ce2-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6C9B37FA-6372-4954-B772-355C270EC5C9" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 14:59:28 +0000 In-Reply-To: Cc: ietf-and-github@ietf.org To: Christopher Wood References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-SES-Outgoing: 2019.03.04-54.240.8.32 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] IETF 104 agenda item request X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2019 14:59:35 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_6C9B37FA-6372-4954-B772-355C270EC5C9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I have a draft that I'd like to discuss = (draft-kwatsen-git-xiax-automation) but, unfortunately, I won't be able = to make Thursday's WG session...unless someone wants to sponsor me to = stay in Prague longer, as I'm paying out of pocket this time ;) In the meanwhile, be aware that I'm using `xiax` to help publish updates = to 8 drafts (for IETF 104) having rather complex generation and = validation requirements. Much is being learned; I plan to rewrite the = interface to simplify usability.... Kent > On Mar 3, 2019, at 10:37 AM, Christopher Wood = wrote: >=20 > Hi folks, >=20 > This is an agenda item request for the GIT meeting in Prague. If you > have a draft and would like time to discuss it, please let the chairs > know, along with how much time you think you=E2=80=99ll need. Note = that we > only have 90 minutes for our session. >=20 > Best, > Chris >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github --Apple-Mail=_6C9B37FA-6372-4954-B772-355C270EC5C9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I = have a draft that I'd like to discuss (draft-kwatsen-git-xiax-automation) but, = unfortunately, I won't be able to make Thursday's WG session...unless = someone wants to sponsor me to stay in Prague longer, as I'm paying out = of pocket this time  ;)

In the meanwhile, be aware that I'm using `xiax` to help = publish updates to 8 drafts (for IETF 104) having rather complex = generation and validation requirements.   Much is being learned; I = plan to rewrite the interface to simplify usability....

Kent


On Mar 3, 2019, at 10:37 AM, Christopher Wood <christopherwood07@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi = folks,

This is an agenda item request for = the GIT meeting in Prague. If you
have a draft and would = like time to discuss it, please let the chairs
know, along = with how much time you think you=E2=80=99ll need. Note that we
only have 90 minutes for our session.

Best,
Chris

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Mon, 04 Mar 2019 07:30:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5286A172-3DE8-4FEB-BA3E-314AFE2EB932@stewe.org> In-Reply-To: <5286A172-3DE8-4FEB-BA3E-314AFE2EB932@stewe.org> From: Tim Wicinski Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 10:30:43 -0500 Message-ID: To: Stephan Wenger Cc: Paul Hoffman , "ietf-and-github@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ce30b30583467034" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Clarifying non-requirement of GitHub use in the abstract X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2019 15:30:51 -0000 --000000000000ce30b30583467034 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stephan I am ok with that. I sort of feel the other implication is "of course when the next version repository mousetrap comes out this will change" On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 10:21 AM Stephan Wenger wrote: > Hi Paul, all, > > From reading the abstract, I think a careless reader could easily arrive > at the conclusion that the use of GitHub may become required for future > working groups. I'm referring in particular to the last sentence of the > substance of the abstract. Quoting the abstract: > " > The use of GitHub in IETF working group processes is increasing. > This document describes possible uses and conventions for working > groups which are considering starting to use GitHub. It does not > mandate any processes, and does not intend to change the processes > used by current working groups. > [...] > " > > Could one not arrive at the conclusion by omission that there may be an > intent to change the modus operandi of *future* WGs when referring to > "processes used by current working groups"? Even without mandating > processes? > > Therefore, I propose to either remove the "current" in that second > sentence, or (preferably) add "and future" after "current". Also, ensure > that the scope of working group is right, but adding "not using GitHub" a= t > the end of the sentence. Implementing that preference, the > non-administrative part of the abstract would read: > > The use of GitHub in IETF working group processes is increasing. > This document describes possible uses and conventions for working > groups which are considering starting to use GitHub. It does not > mandate any processes, and does not intend to change the processes > used by current and future working groups not using GitHub. > > Stephan > > > =EF=BB=BFOn 3/3/19, 10:33, "Paul Hoffman" wrote: > > On Mar 3, 2019, at 10:21 AM, Stephan Wenger wrote: > > > > =E2=80=A6 there are probably still a few WG out who reject all this > newfangled stuff and stay with email. > > There are many. > > > Please don=E2=80=99t forget those. > > They are not forgotten. If you have specific text for the current > draft that would make that more obvious, please suggest. > > --Paul Hoffman > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github > --000000000000ce30b30583467034 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stephan

I am ok with that. I sort of fe= el the other implication is "of course when the next version repositor= y mousetrap comes out this will change"

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 10= :21 AM Stephan Wenger <stewe@stewe.or= g> wrote:
Hi Paul, all,

>From reading the abstract, I think a careless reader could easily arrive at= the conclusion that the use of GitHub may=C2=A0 become required for future= working groups.=C2=A0 I'm referring in particular to the last sentence= of the substance of the abstract.=C2=A0 Quoting the abstract:
"
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The use of GitHub in IETF working group processes is increasin= g.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document describes possible uses and conventions for work= ing
=C2=A0 =C2=A0groups which are considering starting to use GitHub.=C2=A0 It = does not
=C2=A0 =C2=A0mandate any processes, and does not intend to change the proce= sses
=C2=A0 =C2=A0used by current working groups.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 [...]
"

Could one not arrive at the conclusion by omission that there may be an int= ent to change the modus operandi of *future* WGs when referring to "pr= ocesses used by current working groups"?=C2=A0 Even without mandating = processes?=C2=A0

Therefore, I propose to either remove the "current" in that secon= d sentence, or (preferably) add "and future" after "current&= quot;.=C2=A0 Also, ensure that the scope of working group is right, but add= ing "not using GitHub" at the end of the sentence.=C2=A0 Implemen= ting that preference, the non-administrative part of the abstract would rea= d:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The use of GitHub in IETF working group processes is increasi= ng.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document describes possible uses and conventions for work= ing
=C2=A0 =C2=A0groups which are considering starting to use GitHub.=C2=A0 It = does not
=C2=A0 =C2=A0mandate any processes, and does not intend to change the proce= sses
=C2=A0 =C2=A0used by current and future working groups not using GitHub.
Stephan


=EF=BB=BFOn 3/3/19, 10:33, "Paul Hoffman" <paul.hoffman@icann.org> wro= te:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 On Mar 3, 2019, at 10:21 AM, Stephan Wenger <stewe@stewe.org> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > =E2=80=A6 there are probably still a few WG out who reje= ct all this newfangled stuff and stay with email.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 There are many.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 Please don=E2=80=99t forget those.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 They are not forgotten. If you have specific text for the cur= rent draft that would make that more obvious, please suggest.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 --Paul Hoffman

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SMTP v7.0.454.6) with ESMTP id 2672738674.9.361324; Mon, 04 Mar 2019 11:40:27 -0500 Message-ID: <5C7D5638.9000700@isdg.net> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2019 11:45:44 -0500 From: Hector Santos Reply-To: hsantos@isdg.net Organization: Santronics Software, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Hoffman , "ietf-and-github@ietf.org" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Adding "beyond GitHub" text to draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2019 16:46:03 -0000 On 3/3/2019 11:07 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > Greetings again. Some people have stated concern that this document will make it look like WGs are expected to use GitHub, even though the document's Abstract and Introduction say the opposite. Another way help IETF participants who are reading the document understand that this is not the intention of the document would be to add another sentence at the end of the first paragraph of the Introduction indicating that there are other choices. I propose the following: > > Some other working groups use or plan to use other tools such at GitLab and Bitbucket, which have different properties than GitHub. > > Does that satisfy the concern? If not what additional text would help? Unless the future RFC is generalized, the "promotion" (and rough consensus direction) will be to use GitHub. Perhaps a generalized "Using GIT for IETF" (IETF-GIT) baseline document would be useful where the "GIT I/O commonality" can be established among popular GIT hosting sites. Then the specific "Using GitHUB for IETF Publishing" can reference the baseline IETF-GIT doc. Similar informational RFCs can be written for Gitlib and BitBucket both also referencing IETF-GIT. Personally, pick one (GitHub) and stick with it for IETF adoption, less confusion, especially when the RFC will be asking folks to "learn" something new. 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Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2019 08:35:21 +1100 To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) Archived-At: Subject: [Ietf-and-github] Is this WG using GitHub? 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The BCP79 notice is perhaps not as prominent as you might like, but t= here is a fairly clear path to it. In case you can't find an example, here's a link where you can create an= issue for the draft I just posted: https://github.com/martinthomson/hx-= uri/issues/new I tend to think that is adequate. If you disagree, we can discuss the p= ros and cons of searching for something more robust. Section 3.1 of the draft we're discussing here (of the long name) includ= es provisions designed to accomplish the goal you describe. And yes, th= e template code I maintain emplaces a default notice. I understand that= reading the code is difficult (I'll be the first to acknowledge how arc= ane this stuff is), but it is described in language I hope you can under= stand here: https://github.com/martinthomson/i-d-template/blob/master/do= c/FEATURES.md#setup-a-repository Regarding the trust notice or the content of the contributing notice, th= at's not something I'd care to comment on. You can see what I have, whi= ch is - in part - something recommended by the IETF Trust and IESG, and = in part just text that I believe to be helpful: https://github.com/marti= nthomson/i-d-template/blob/master/template/CONTRIBUTING.md Cheers, Martin On Tue, Mar 5, 2019, at 04:16, Stephan Wenger wrote: > =20 > Hi, >=20 >=20 > One concern I have when I see people, in an IETF context, work on docs= =20 > in toolchains other than IETF mailing lists and posting of I-Ds on the= =20 > IETF infrastructure is that I think we should ensure that BCP79 sticks= .=20 > BCP79 is the IETF=E2=80=99s patent policy. A scenario to avoid is that= people=20 > insert patented technologies without being bound by the patent policy.= =20 > To avoid that, there ought to be a mechanism that a) unambiguously=20 > makes it clear that any written contribution using GitHib tools=20 > constitute Contributions in the BCP79 sense, and b) ensures that a use= r=20 > that makes a written contribution using GitHub tools would have seen=20= > the Note Well at least once.=20 >=20 >=20 > I believe that most GitHub-using working groups in the IETF have=20 > assured that by including something like a click-through of the Note=20= > Well when accessing the GitHub repository (writing to it in whatever=20= > form). That, I think is sufficient, but perhaps should be documented i= n=20 > this draft. I don=E2=80=99t know enough about the mechanics to propose= text=20 > myself. Lots of that may already be present in Martin=E2=80=99s templa= te, but=20 > that template is hard to read/understand for someone like me, who=E2=80= =99s not=20 > writing software or webpages. >=20 >=20 > One thing I don=E2=80=99t understand is why the Trust outbound license= needs to=20 > be present in the repository, as suggested in section 3.1. Especially=20= > for a WG that uses GitHub only for maintaining documents and not=20 > software. Can someone explain or point me to an explanation? >=20 >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Stephan >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github > From nobody Mon Mar 4 18:58:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D2D1310EB for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2019 18:58:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) 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[76.115.0.16]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p11sm21910238pfi.10.2019.03.04.22.11.56 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 04 Mar 2019 22:11:57 -0800 (PST) From: "Brad Biddle" To: "Stephan Wenger" Cc: "Martin Thomson" , ietf-and-github@ietf.org Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2019 22:11:55 -0800 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.12.4r5594) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4D3661B2-5083-48F5-8D52-079E90ED9C0D@stewe.org> References: <4D3661B2-5083-48F5-8D52-079E90ED9C0D@stewe.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Mail regarding draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration, section 3.1 (Contributions) X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2019 06:12:02 -0000 All =E2=80=94 an idea, offered for discussion: what about using the = CLA-assistant tool to ensure that participants affirmatively acknowledge = the current CONTRIBUTING.MD text (or a similar variation on the Note = Well text)? I.e., the tool could present this text and require an = express acknowledgement. See: https://github.com/cla-assistant/cla-assistant https://cla-assistant.io/ Several groups I work with use this tool in connection with their GitHub = repositories, and I gather it=E2=80=99s pretty seamless. From a legal = perspective it would offer a stronger argument that participants have in = fact agreed to the relevant IETF terms than the current model. =E2=80=94Brad Brad Biddle | brad@biddle.law | +1.503.502.1259 (mobile) | = http://biddle.law On 4 Mar 2019, at 18:57, Stephan Wenger wrote: > Hi Martin, > Thanks for your comments. Please see inline. > S. > > =EF=BB=BFOn 3/4/19, 18:42, "Ietf-and-github on behalf of Martin Thomson= " = > = > wrote: > > Hi Stephan, > > I encourage you to attempt to contribute to a draft repository on = > GitHub. The BCP79 notice is perhaps not as prominent as you might = > like, but there is a fairly clear path to it. > > In case you can't find an example, here's a link where you can = > create an issue for the draft I just posted: = > https://github.com/martinthomson/hx-uri/issues/new > > I tend to think that is adequate. If you disagree, we can discuss = > the pros and cons of searching for something more robust. > > StW: Yes, this seems adequate. However, I thought the subject draft = > is guidance for WGs setting up their own GitHub projects. Nowhere it = > is mandated that they use the IETF "tree" or whatever that thing may = > be called. In theory, I could set up my own GitHub repository under = > my own name, not using your excellent infrastructure, no Note Well, no = > nothing, and invite the working group to contribute. Then all kinds = > of random people (including potentially malicious ones) could = > theoretically make Contributions in the BCP79 sense arguably without = > being bound by BCP79. So I guess there should be a word of warning in = > this draft--using the Martin Thomson-style infrastructure and the IETF = > tree (or whatever that thing is called), or otherwise be very careful = > to implement your own mechanisms to ensure that all Contributions are = > made in accordance with BCP79 and the Note Well. > > Section 3.1 of the draft we're discussing here (of the long name) = > includes provisions designed to accomplish the goal you describe. And = > yes, the template code I maintain emplaces a default notice. I = > understand that reading the code is difficult (I'll be the first to = > acknowledge how arcane this stuff is), but it is described in language = > I hope you can understand here: = > https://github.com/martinthomson/i-d-template/blob/master/doc/FEATURES.= md#setup-a-repository > > StW: yes, this is good, and so is your whole infrastructure. As = > pointed out above, we are not mandating its use, though... > > Regarding the trust notice or the content of the contributing = > notice, that's not something I'd care to comment on. You can see what = > I have, which is - in part - something recommended by the IETF Trust = > and IESG, and in part just text that I believe to be helpful: = > https://github.com/martinthomson/i-d-template/blob/master/template/CONT= RIBUTING.md > > StW: Your "Contributing" file is just fine with me. Personally, I = > consider the code component part of it a rather minor aspect for IETF = > work, and I think if you look at litigation statistics of IETF related = > subject matter, you would likely agree. That's why I asked why that = > aspect is prominently mentioned, while no particular attention is = > drawn to BCP79 (which is where the music plays). I'll wait a bit more = > for others to comment. > > Cheers, > Martin > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2019, at 04:16, Stephan Wenger wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > One concern I have when I see people, in an IETF context, work = > on docs > > in toolchains other than IETF mailing lists and posting of I-Ds = > on the > > IETF infrastructure is that I think we should ensure that BCP79 = > sticks. > > BCP79 is the IETF=E2=80=99s patent policy. A scenario to avoid is= that = > people > > insert patented technologies without being bound by the patent = > policy. > > To avoid that, there ought to be a mechanism that a) = > unambiguously > > makes it clear that any written contribution using GitHib tools > > constitute Contributions in the BCP79 sense, and b) ensures that = > a user > > that makes a written contribution using GitHub tools would have = > seen > > the Note Well at least once. > > > > > > I believe that most GitHub-using working groups in the IETF have > > assured that by including something like a click-through of the = > Note > > Well when accessing the GitHub repository (writing to it in = > whatever > > form). That, I think is sufficient, but perhaps should be = > documented in > > this draft. I don=E2=80=99t know enough about the mechanics to pr= opose = > text > > myself. Lots of that may already be present in Martin=E2=80=99s = > template, but > > that template is hard to read/understand for someone like me, = > who=E2=80=99s not > > writing software or webpages. > > > > > > One thing I don=E2=80=99t understand is why the Trust outbound li= cense = > needs to > > be present in the repository, as suggested in section 3.1. = > Especially > > for a WG that uses GitHub only for maintaining documents and not > > software. Can someone explain or point me to an explanation? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Stephan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ietf-and-github mailing list > > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github From nobody Tue Mar 5 09:37:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAFD413103C for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 09:37:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Tue, 5 Mar 2019 12:37:31 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.1.5-925-g644bf8c-fmstable-20190228v5 X-Me-Personality: 92534000 Message-Id: <9ea6f783-22aa-48bb-9cc8-bb449daccc76@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4D3661B2-5083-48F5-8D52-079E90ED9C0D@stewe.org> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2019 12:37:31 -0500 From: "Martin Thomson" To: "Brad Biddle" , "Stephan Wenger" Cc: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] =?utf-8?q?Mail_regarding_draft-ietf-git-github?= =?utf-8?q?-wg-configuration=2C_section_3=2E1_=28Contributions=29?= X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2019 17:37:38 -0000 Hi Brad, That is certainly an option. My experience with the W3C process, which = uses a similar setup, is that it does add friction. My personal prefere= nce is not to add that. Though they are fairly simple and lightweight, = they tend to trigger processes in legal departments that are less lightw= eight, so it is not entirely free from costs. --Martin On Tue, Mar 5, 2019, at 17:12, Brad Biddle wrote: > All =E2=80=94 an idea, offered for discussion: what about using the=20= > CLA-assistant tool to ensure that participants affirmatively acknowled= ge=20 > the current CONTRIBUTING.MD text (or a similar variation on the Note=20= > Well text)? I.e., the tool could present this text and require an=20 > express acknowledgement. >=20 > See: > https://github.com/cla-assistant/cla-assistant > https://cla-assistant.io/ >=20 > Several groups I work with use this tool in connection with their GitH= ub=20 > repositories, and I gather it=E2=80=99s pretty seamless. From a legal=20= > perspective it would offer a stronger argument that participants have = in=20 > fact agreed to the relevant IETF terms than the current model. >=20 > =E2=80=94Brad >=20 > Brad Biddle | brad@biddle.law | +1.503.502.1259 (mobile) |=20 > http://biddle.law >=20 > On 4 Mar 2019, at 18:57, Stephan Wenger wrote: >=20 > > Hi Martin, > > Thanks for your comments. Please see inline. > > S. > > > > =EF=BB=BFOn 3/4/19, 18:42, "Ietf-and-github on behalf of Martin Thom= son"=20 > > =20= > > wrote: > > > > Hi Stephan, > > > > I encourage you to attempt to contribute to a draft repository o= n=20 > > GitHub. The BCP79 notice is perhaps not as prominent as you might=20= > > like, but there is a fairly clear path to it. > > > > In case you can't find an example, here's a link where you can=20= > > create an issue for the draft I just posted:=20 > > https://github.com/martinthomson/hx-uri/issues/new > > > > I tend to think that is adequate. If you disagree, we can discu= ss=20 > > the pros and cons of searching for something more robust. > > > > StW: Yes, this seems adequate. However, I thought the subject draft= =20 > > is guidance for WGs setting up their own GitHub projects. Nowhere i= t=20 > > is mandated that they use the IETF "tree" or whatever that thing may= =20 > > be called. In theory, I could set up my own GitHub repository under= =20 > > my own name, not using your excellent infrastructure, no Note Well, = no=20 > > nothing, and invite the working group to contribute. Then all kinds= =20 > > of random people (including potentially malicious ones) could=20 > > theoretically make Contributions in the BCP79 sense arguably without= =20 > > being bound by BCP79. So I guess there should be a word of warning = in=20 > > this draft--using the Martin Thomson-style infrastructure and the IE= TF=20 > > tree (or whatever that thing is called), or otherwise be very carefu= l=20 > > to implement your own mechanisms to ensure that all Contributions ar= e=20 > > made in accordance with BCP79 and the Note Well. > > > > Section 3.1 of the draft we're discussing here (of the long name= )=20 > > includes provisions designed to accomplish the goal you describe. A= nd=20 > > yes, the template code I maintain emplaces a default notice. I=20 > > understand that reading the code is difficult (I'll be the first to=20= > > acknowledge how arcane this stuff is), but it is described in langua= ge=20 > > I hope you can understand here:=20 > > https://github.com/martinthomson/i-d-template/blob/master/doc/FEATUR= ES.md#setup-a-repository > > > > StW: yes, this is good, and so is your whole infrastructure. As=20 > > pointed out above, we are not mandating its use, though... > > > > Regarding the trust notice or the content of the contributing=20= > > notice, that's not something I'd care to comment on. You can see wh= at=20 > > I have, which is - in part - something recommended by the IETF Trust= =20 > > and IESG, and in part just text that I believe to be helpful:=20 > > https://github.com/martinthomson/i-d-template/blob/master/template/C= ONTRIBUTING.md > > > > StW: Your "Contributing" file is just fine with me. Personally, I=20= > > consider the code component part of it a rather minor aspect for IET= F=20 > > work, and I think if you look at litigation statistics of IETF relat= ed=20 > > subject matter, you would likely agree. That's why I asked why that= =20 > > aspect is prominently mentioned, while no particular attention is=20= > > drawn to BCP79 (which is where the music plays). I'll wait a bit mo= re=20 > > for others to comment. > > > > Cheers, > > Martin > > > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2019, at 04:16, Stephan Wenger wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > One concern I have when I see people, in an IETF context, work= =20 > > on docs > > > in toolchains other than IETF mailing lists and posting of I-D= s=20 > > on the > > > IETF infrastructure is that I think we should ensure that BCP7= 9=20 > > sticks. > > > BCP79 is the IETF=E2=80=99s patent policy. A scenario to avoid= is that=20 > > people > > > insert patented technologies without being bound by the patent= =20 > > policy. > > > To avoid that, there ought to be a mechanism that a)=20 > > unambiguously > > > makes it clear that any written contribution using GitHib tool= s > > > constitute Contributions in the BCP79 sense, and b) ensures th= at=20 > > a user > > > that makes a written contribution using GitHub tools would hav= e=20 > > seen > > > the Note Well at least once. > > > > > > > > > I believe that most GitHub-using working groups in the IETF ha= ve > > > assured that by including something like a click-through of th= e=20 > > Note > > > Well when accessing the GitHub repository (writing to it in=20= > > whatever > > > form). That, I think is sufficient, but perhaps should be=20 > > documented in > > > this draft. I don=E2=80=99t know enough about the mechanics to= propose=20 > > text > > > myself. Lots of that may already be present in Martin=E2=80=99= s=20 > > template, but > > > that template is hard to read/understand for someone like me,=20= > > who=E2=80=99s not > > > writing software or webpages. > > > > > > > > > One thing I don=E2=80=99t understand is why the Trust outbound= license=20 > > needs to > > > be present in the repository, as suggested in section 3.1.=20 > > Especially > > > for a WG that uses GitHub only for maintaining documents and n= ot > > > software. Can someone explain or point me to an explanation? > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Stephan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ietf-and-github mailing list > > > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ietf-and-github mailing list > > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ietf-and-github mailing list > > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github > From nobody Tue Mar 5 09:44:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4BC6131332 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 09:44:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=lowentropy.net header.b=DBe+b3lQ; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=k/gEsvjr Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zNJRAxE-7Jdv for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 09:44:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com (out2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C49E413132C for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 09:44:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id E687920840; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 12:44:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from imap2 ([10.202.2.52]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 05 Mar 2019 12:44:26 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lowentropy.net; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:date:from:to:subject :content-type; s=fm1; bh=Jbd1OQQ6jvyLMX7qX7fQ9pR423Up6TeaQ6BS1Ab niu8=; b=DBe+b3lQ1ql2yZVGUShJLW8FMf7FSQZKYyNI/Ib8227GitbIe8vwuz5 FMJQTqMqaKx7O+DlrG3HMKcZjo7MYfV6r7dzMAK57Q7SX/yZU3eisb0O+YDHupUJ +V/Yc+3OAISv4UnOk7i0XE1Su0xyhy60t2iO7VXFnhhm5VhkUqSPP999GJjE1DcA 4urDgwQWVCgcNnhzn97LBLfBqTBZjOTGkoxaxIK1W7vaTM9sjExY0VvOL0XWB9ye +CUR2evwDPi2smelu44btqJq2hEpxCNlDTTTuGpxcKDYZqWTjW+34P0oBNXPTRf9 6BQuBCH6y+HX0XfdN2lBTBRGHDvfqoA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=Jbd1OQQ6jvyLMX7qX 7fQ9pR423Up6TeaQ6BS1Abniu8=; b=k/gEsvjrZhU+Jcp8EenqcnmofMwDsSzVQ qc8oeKrBLm+KasFeAFgTgVkB/2l/Uvm2PUHi27D1kbTnXNr5n6NOFtyFc/+6RXr8 I4orywVlm4mfCsp64bSJ1B2+xzJv5mvz+FcxcgDEC4g4va8Rx9y5HwpVbmsGmRtO mc/ieWQNeRy+7JrmHbRqcSfW3SVoOX559EOFbeyY0Nv+uVq2s2I/9JftDL0oXXP0 zlK9UtAvMs1a4zAo0wBTTLJrvOC9hb4MkH6aByGi+bo372ei92TR6f3i7x1kEDVw SOYKr/pwnFu1n6H58YjcIRytvnH0/ZGIp/Gt1ZvRI5BWPBoXL139w== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedutddrfeefgddutdehucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepofgfkfgjfhffhffvufgtsehttdertderreejnecuhfhrohhmpedfofgrrhht ihhnucfvhhhomhhsohhnfdcuoehmtheslhhofigvnhhtrhhophihrdhnvghtqeenucfrrg hrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepmhhtsehlohifvghnthhrohhphidrnhgvthenucevlhhu shhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 6BA4D7C3AB; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 12:44:26 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.1.5-925-g644bf8c-fmstable-20190228v5 X-Me-Personality: 92534000 Message-Id: <12778523-2a7f-492c-bb2c-9e234980594d@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4D3661B2-5083-48F5-8D52-079E90ED9C0D@stewe.org> References: <4D3661B2-5083-48F5-8D52-079E90ED9C0D@stewe.org> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2019 12:44:26 -0500 From: "Martin Thomson" To: "Stephan Wenger" , "ietf-and-github@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] =?utf-8?q?Mail_regarding_draft-ietf-git-github?= =?utf-8?q?-wg-configuration=2C_section_3=2E1_=28Contributions=29?= X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2019 17:44:32 -0000 > StW: Yes, this seems adequate. However, I thought the subject draft is > guidance for WGs setting up their own GitHub projects. Nowhere it is > mandated that they use the IETF "tree" or whatever that thing may be > called. In theory, I could set up my own GitHub repository under my > own name, not using your excellent infrastructure, no Note Well, no > nothing, and invite the working group to contribute. Then all kinds of > random people (including potentially malicious ones) could > theoretically make Contributions in the BCP79 sense arguably without > being bound by BCP79. So I guess there should be a word of warning in > this draft--using the Martin Thomson-style infrastructure and the IETF > tree (or whatever that thing is called), or otherwise be very careful > to implement your own mechanisms to ensure that all Contributions are > made in accordance with BCP79 and the Note Well. This is certainly a risk we bear, but not one that we avoid by writing things down in documents (which seems to be our only real tool, other than filling inboxes and mail archives with words, that is). People will make venues that accept contributions and fail to create the proper notices. That is what tends to happen already. For instance, not to pick on anyone in particular, but I see plenty of personal repositories with drafts sitting in them that accept issues and pull requests but don't have any notices attached. The best we can do is write down what should happen and smooth the path for the good stuff as much as possible. My view is that the draft we're discussing does pretty much what it needs to do (or at least can do) in this regard. 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X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2019 21:42:18 -0000 Thanks for pointing that out! I'll fix it. Best, Chris On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 1:35 PM Mark Nottingham wrote: > > Datatracker says we're using Trac, which seems odd: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/git/about/ > > > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github From nobody Tue Mar 5 19:42:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD5D312426A for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 19:42:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=lowentropy.net header.b=ECLkKA+x; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=EU0nLBkK Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OoV5H26aHdSf for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 19:42:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com (out2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41C3E130E30 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 19:42:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD0C21ECD; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 22:42:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from imap2 ([10.202.2.52]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 05 Mar 2019 22:42:03 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lowentropy.net; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:date:from:to:subject :content-type; s=fm1; bh=R/gNTxrOch2XOHAdhzo/6mGu7ZELQ7BD+JjmAuc WejI=; b=ECLkKA+x05iiAM08cCVIgbewGe78tWiMxZT4Ebqo5GnFmB8o8V7j0pm m+NAXUffawhaOoLj7feDcFNdgFv1Awwh+xPnZKf5CIrEPyqageDFu1CiHfE1pSYk gagO/5fQW8db9Fzfhs79xG7efITA3XboWyGV2RQipv7ptSm2Eel3cj09i74WVHVd Nr3POHMHwRvbYRx+mUXAGnD9K+mKbO7++DZmmTBPxLFy4dSdV6eyMMPHcxB3bOmN aRW9G/aRu6pXdCNsDc8Q4cwCCACaQNWBbkx1KivkQ7mLcfdya/OECBHveZULpSmf a9YXx/yeB9vl9LWB9VZiwvOEu5H/jig== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=R/gNTxrOch2XOHAdh zo/6mGu7ZELQ7BD+JjmAucWejI=; b=EU0nLBkKTsfuvCr9eTUzY8UojNjletMUO lMGje16iZGm1f8JkrR5WkMausAXqp6j5+iAyabAhX7+0WwJzyAzMktiZHmoNl/E9 emLrvtzitD91RdpdjbqUYnzDN50pCrmW+jjpehnM0g4L6bS/xY8r9pdF/8ln8IUW JOndopDWelf5TPummEAiKjlJkbaFfizxNtKrgotexWX8DcA+/neS0cEdLIUWQd9P iygw2Cl9OYroJB3R0sByPJ13Eddti7fFYZN/ICztPQ4b+3pO7kVKnIVNYHdnyivu 8bzgfY5TaRuIbULYIZXaTbO8kbtmCqbS7pdS6CbMcxACZ1p7UuwEw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedutddrfeeggdeigecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenuc fjughrpefofgfkjghffffhvffutgesthdtredtreerjeenucfhrhhomhepfdforghrthhi nhcuvfhhohhmshhonhdfuceomhhtsehlohifvghnthhrohhphidrnhgvtheqnecurfgrrh grmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehmtheslhhofigvnhhtrhhophihrdhnvghtnecuvehluhhs thgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id EC7327C1EB; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 22:42:02 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.1.5-925-g644bf8c-fmstable-20190228v5 X-Me-Personality: 92534000 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <75E45066-B654-4334-BD02-690404C73BF6@stewe.org> References: <4D3661B2-5083-48F5-8D52-079E90ED9C0D@stewe.org> <12778523-2a7f-492c-bb2c-9e234980594d@www.fastmail.com> <75E45066-B654-4334-BD02-690404C73BF6@stewe.org> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2019 22:42:05 -0500 From: "Martin Thomson" To: "Stephan Wenger" , "ietf-and-github@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] =?utf-8?q?Mail_regarding_draft-ietf-git-github?= =?utf-8?q?-wg-configuration=2C_section_3=2E1_=28Contributions=29?= X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2019 03:42:07 -0000 On Wed, Mar 6, 2019, at 05:08, Stephan Wenger wrote: > "The IETF requires in certain cases the disclosure of IP inserted in > into Internet Drafts through Contributions; see BCP79. If a WG using > GitHub does not ensure, through technical means, that contributing > through GitHub mechanisms falls under the BCP79 definition of > Contributions and that contributors through GitHub are aware that they > contribute under BCP79, the resulting RFC may run a considerably higher > risk of not being deployable through IP encumbrance not known to the > WG. Martin/the IETF/the tools team/whoever provides a handy set of > mechanisms for GitHub that to a large extent alleviates that risk--go > to download it. We suggest to use it, or use something else > that has the same effect. " I'm OK with adding more language here, explaining why we have CONTRIBUTING terms and what they should include. Like (I suspect) Rich, I'm leery of over-proscribing here because there are just too many ways in which IPR-encumbered stuff can leak in. However, if these notices are in place, tools like GitHub are an improvement in that they provide better audit trails. It's not much good if we don't have the notices though, so by all means add the text. Perhaps the authors of this draft have it sitting somewhere in GitHub and you could make a pull request. I think that half of what you ask for is there, it's just missing some of the rationale-y context. From nobody Thu Mar 7 15:01:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 004CB128CE4; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 15:01:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.93.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Message-ID: <155199967997.5390.6340440170777168673@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2019 15:01:19 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Ietf-and-github] I-D Action: draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration-01.txt X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2019 23:01:20 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the GitHub Integration and Tooling WG of the IETF. Title : GitHub Configuration for IETF Working Groups Authors : Alissa Cooper Paul Hoffman Filename : draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration-01.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2019-03-07 Abstract: The use of GitHub in IETF working group processes is increasing. This document describes possible uses and conventions for working groups which are considering starting to use GitHub. It does not mandate any processes, and does not require changes to the processes used by current and future working groups not using GitHub. Discussion of this document takes place on the ietf-and-github mailing list (ietf-and-github@ietf.org), which is archived at . The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Mar 8 12:39:08 2019 Return-Path: <010001695f07d926-00d6192b-ac68-42a2-b35d-4d855208b542-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E001127962 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 12:39:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id exZhiyQLfzDP for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 12:39:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from a8-96.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-96.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.96]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EEA441277E7 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 12:39:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=ug7nbtf4gccmlpwj322ax3p6ow6yfsug; d=amazonses.com; t=1552077543; h=From:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Feedback-ID; bh=SrD+kbpcRgi0d8c8sgeLI4VDIQubUwrEhpCH3IeWXqM=; b=KWZL621L3RpoG3iJu8OTedf/rh+Wb4w8sneH+U6EWpQMx6A6TchFQ/jmh46stuPC zj0JpmQnJQTfEF58pM2rGp77HC8CeE2zqQAVLWdE2G79bfg3gmV9tgceF/5ABPiSnwt 7epWbvwvNdYWt176o9qH7d6eWMDBp6EzoTn+DRgE= From: Kent Watsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 20:39:03 +0000 References: <155112114000.10633.2593235416875795961.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <01000169261421c7-978ecbf5-dcc4-4738-ba58-f409ce6adaf1-000000@email.amazonses.com> <2e4a853c-6622-81e8-adf5-02deb3e1d6e3@gmx.de> <010001692a9f8f0f-a4ba1870-6959-4518-8503-6e30424b1ac9-000000@email.amazonses.com> <010001692ab8ef80-96b79bab-c831-4917-b5a2-edc3a37ab952-000000@email.amazonses.com> <3849BD6A-DD18-4624-8ED6-87B968211B5B@stewe.org> <20aaf8c4-2b85-ac28-f780-37c37d62843b@levkowetz.com> To: RFC Interest , "ietf-and-github@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <20aaf8c4-2b85-ac28-f780-37c37d62843b@levkowetz.com> Message-ID: <010001695f07d926-00d6192b-ac68-42a2-b35d-4d855208b542-000000@email.amazonses.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-SES-Outgoing: 2019.03.08-54.240.8.96 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] [rfc-i] New Version Notification for draft-kwatsen-git-xiax-automation-00.txt X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2019 20:39:07 -0000 Hi All, I hope that this work seems interesting to you. I don't actually know, = as there have been no comments to the effect yet. Maybe folks are = reserving comments for a presentation in Prague, but unfortunately I = won't be able to make Thursday's WG session. Assuming this work is interesting, is this the right forum for it? I = think this work is covered by the "git" charter (tooling, automation, = best practices, etc.), and it has high-potential for affecting the = xml2rfc format, but maybe there's a better home? Lastly, what steps need to be taken to have a solution everyone is happy = with? I'm assuming standard RFC publication process, but are there any = special considerations that need to be observed given that it's a tool = for the community? Regards, Kent From nobody Fri Mar 8 13:08:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3376126DFA for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 13:08:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l-7La0-z2yB5 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 13:08:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 770601275F3 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 13:08:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost2.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.200.7]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id x28L8bjx003174; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 22:08:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.217.106] (p54A6C2FE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.166.194.254]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 44GKq91WrWz1Bp8; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 22:08:37 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <010001695f07d926-00d6192b-ac68-42a2-b35d-4d855208b542-000000@email.amazonses.com> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 22:08:35 +0100 Cc: RFC Interest , "ietf-and-github@ietf.org" X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 573772102.0053509-25a8c947ae52975a54886c8c82f1ce4c Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5C39CA88-10BB-4B38-A591-D2E033025826@tzi.org> References: <155112114000.10633.2593235416875795961.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <01000169261421c7-978ecbf5-dcc4-4738-ba58-f409ce6adaf1-000000@email.amazonses.com> <2e4a853c-6622-81e8-adf5-02deb3e1d6e3@gmx.de> <010001692a9f8f0f-a4ba1870-6959-4518-8503-6e30424b1ac9-000000@email.amazonses.com> <010001692ab8ef80-96b79bab-c831-4917-b5a2-edc3a37ab952-000000@email.amazonses.com> <3849BD6A-DD18-4624-8ED6-87B968211B5B@stewe.org> <20aaf8c4-2b85-ac28-f780-37c37d62843b@levkowetz.com> <010001695f07d926-00d6192b-ac68-42a2-b35d-4d855208b542-000000@email.amazonses.com> To: Kent Watsen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] [rfc-i] New Version Notification for draft-kwatsen-git-xiax-automation-00.txt X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2019 21:08:49 -0000 Hi Kent, On Mar 8, 2019, at 21:39, Kent Watsen wrote: >=20 > I hope that this work seems interesting to you. I don=E2=80=99t = actually know, as there have been no comments to the effect yet. =20 I now remember why I immediately forgot about xiax after having seen it: It just does not apply to my workflow. I do work in a strictly functional way. There is a number of source = files, and there is a Makefile (and possibly other configuration = documents), which all are in version control and edited by humans = (=E2=80=9Cprecious=E2=80=9D). The Makefile employs various tools to = build (expendable) intermediates, run tests on them etc., and then = finally the .txt file for submission. The .xml file of course is also built as an intermediate (and will = become more important in v3), but really the point is that I would never = edit it; it is the result of a functional process. The process as described has the disadvantage that it is more applicable = to people who do software development (which, if somewhat state of the = art, generally happens in the same way). There might very well people = who are comfortable with a mutating approach to draft generation (and, = backed up with version control, that is probably quite workable). = It=E2=80=99s just not something I can very well comment on. Being able to extract embedded code from an XML file is indeed important = for me; please see Section 1.3 of RFC 8152 for an example of how this = can be done with widely deployed tools. I expect the RFC repository will at some point provide online versions = of such tools. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Sat Mar 9 09:49:02 2019 Return-Path: <0100016963927914-d4b7c660-e01f-4d54-9bea-58396fd5134f-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C167129570 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 09:49:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9XqHEGDfsd97 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 09:48:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from a8-83.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-83.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.83]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 093F61288AB for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 09:48:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=ug7nbtf4gccmlpwj322ax3p6ow6yfsug; d=amazonses.com; t=1552153737; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:Feedback-ID; bh=5a7j65+/TN7p04mX0X2edpZMAxB6pbmyVHpSOydPIJY=; b=A7jcb4e8EvcxGHY0NuHAob/Tj1J2arwdVdE5LfA+RvOs9xRsKh6ElMOLxe5gDTHk dDQa7VUOiaC2miCdqNYi0PRAdo5XxrT2eAXV2330oyUl5YSlfu1ghgC/cf9GbflO2/5 eQyH3FWOQxSLX72EBcS4pr+YUVvkECbXP+ackcG0= From: Kent Watsen Message-ID: <0100016963927914-d4b7c660-e01f-4d54-9bea-58396fd5134f-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_74C47996-569A-47F9-B63B-92C30FB7CC3D" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 17:48:57 +0000 In-Reply-To: <5C39CA88-10BB-4B38-A591-D2E033025826@tzi.org> Cc: RFC Interest , "ietf-and-github@ietf.org" To: Carsten Bormann References: <155112114000.10633.2593235416875795961.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <01000169261421c7-978ecbf5-dcc4-4738-ba58-f409ce6adaf1-000000@email.amazonses.com> <2e4a853c-6622-81e8-adf5-02deb3e1d6e3@gmx.de> <010001692a9f8f0f-a4ba1870-6959-4518-8503-6e30424b1ac9-000000@email.amazonses.com> <010001692ab8ef80-96b79bab-c831-4917-b5a2-edc3a37ab952-000000@email.amazonses.com> <3849BD6A-DD18-4624-8ED6-87B968211B5B@stewe.org> <20aaf8c4-2b85-ac28-f780-37c37d62843b@levkowetz.com> <010001695f07d926-00d6192b-ac68-42a2-b35d-4d855208b542-000000@email.amazonses.com> <5C39CA88-10BB-4B38-A591-D2E033025826@tzi.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-SES-Outgoing: 2019.03.09-54.240.8.83 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] [rfc-i] New Version Notification for draft-kwatsen-git-xiax-automation-00.txt X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2019 17:49:02 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_74C47996-569A-47F9-B63B-92C30FB7CC3D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Carsten, >> I hope that this work seems interesting to you. I don=E2=80=99t = actually know, as there have been no comments to the effect yet. =20 >=20 > I now remember why I immediately forgot about xiax after having seen = it: > It just does not apply to my workflow. But I think it does (see below) > I do work in a strictly functional way. There is a number of source = files, and there is a Makefile (and possibly other configuration = documents), which all are in version control and edited by humans = (=E2=80=9Cprecious=E2=80=9D). The Makefile employs various tools to = build (expendable) intermediates, run tests on them etc., and then = finally the .txt file for submission. > The .xml file of course is also built as an intermediate (and will = become more important in v3), but really the point is that I would never = edit it; it is the result of a functional process. My workflow is the same as yours. This proposal represents my 3rd = generation of tooling to solve this problem, but it's taking it to the = next level now. Not only does this proposal support automated = construction (what you describe), but it also supports automated = verification, which I know doctors, shepherds, and copy editors have = been pining for. > The process as described has the disadvantage that it is more = applicable to people who do software development (which, if somewhat = state of the art, generally happens in the same way). There might very = well people who are comfortable with a mutating approach to draft = generation (and, backed up with version control, that is probably quite = workable). It=E2=80=99s just not something I can very well comment on. You may have misunderstood the proposal. Here's the link again: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kwatsen-git-xiax-automation-00 = . > Being able to extract embedded code from an XML file is indeed = important for me; please see Section 1.3 of RFC 8152 for an example of = how this can be done with widely deployed tools. > I expect the RFC repository will at some point provide online versions = of such tools. Feeding XPaths into extraction tools just scratches the surface of = what's needed for a formal reviews. This proposal not only extracts the = inclusions, but also the unit-tests created by the authors for testing = the inclusions. This approach has the advantage of enabling reviewers = to just review the correctness of the provided unit tests (and their = output), rather than writing testing code from scratch, assuming they're = able to, which is unlikely for copy editors, who would undoubtedly be = thrilled to programmatically verify changes made during AUTH48. > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten Thanks, Kent --Apple-Mail=_74C47996-569A-47F9-B63B-92C30FB7CC3D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Hi Carsten,

I hope = that this work seems interesting to you.   I don=E2=80=99t = actually know, as there have been no comments to the effect yet. =  

I now remember why I = immediately forgot about xiax after having seen it:
It = just does not apply to my workflow.

But I think it does (see below)


I do work in a strictly functional way. =  There is a number of source files, and there is a Makefile (and = possibly other configuration documents), which all are in version = control and edited by humans (=E2=80=9Cprecious=E2=80=9D). The Makefile = employs various tools to build (expendable) intermediates, run tests on = them etc., and then finally the .txt file for submission.
The .xml file of course is also built as an intermediate (and = will become more important in v3), but really the point is that I would = never edit it; it is the result of a functional process.

My workflow is = the same as yours.   This proposal represents my 3rd generation of = tooling to solve this problem, but it's taking it to the next level now. =  Not only does this proposal support automated construction (what = you describe), but it also supports automated verification, which I know = doctors, shepherds, and copy editors have been pining for.


The process as described has the disadvantage = that it is more applicable to people who do software development (which, = if somewhat state of the art, generally happens in the same way). =  There might very well people who are comfortable with a mutating = approach to draft generation (and, backed up with version control, that = is probably quite workable).  It=E2=80=99s just not something I can = very well comment on.

You may have misunderstood the proposal. =  Here's the link again: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kwatsen-git-xiax-automation-0= 0.


Being able to = extract embedded code from an XML file is indeed important for me; = please see Section 1.3 of RFC 8152 for an example of how this can be = done with widely deployed tools.
I expect the RFC = repository will at some point provide online versions of such tools.

Feeding= XPaths into extraction tools just scratches the surface of what's = needed for a formal reviews.  This proposal not only extracts the = inclusions, but also the unit-tests created by the authors for testing = the inclusions.  This approach has the advantage of enabling = reviewers to just review the correctness of the provided unit tests (and = their output), rather than writing testing code from scratch, assuming = they're able to, which is unlikely for copy editors, who would = undoubtedly be thrilled to programmatically verify changes made during = AUTH48.


Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten

Thanks,
Kent

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see BCP79. If a WG using > > GitHub does not ensure, through technical means, that contributing > > through GitHub mechanisms falls under the BCP79 definition of > > Contributions and that contributors through GitHub are aware that they > > contribute under BCP79, the resulting RFC may run a considerably higher > > risk of not being deployable through IP encumbrance not known to the > > WG. Martin/the IETF/the tools team/whoever provides a handy set of > > mechanisms for GitHub that to a large extent alleviates that risk--go > > to download it. We suggest to use it, or use something else > > that has the same effect. " > > I'm OK with adding more language here, explaining why we have CONTRIBUTIN= G terms and what they should include. Like (I suspect) Rich, I'm leery of = over-proscribing here because there are just too many ways in which IPR-enc= umbered stuff can leak in. However, if these notices are in place, tools l= ike GitHub are an improvement in that they provide better audit trails. It= 's not much good if we don't have the notices though, so by all means add t= he text. > > Perhaps the authors of this draft have it sitting somewhere in GitHub and= you could make a pull request. For reference: https://github.com/ietf-gitwg/draft-ietf-git-github-wg-confi= guration Best, Chris From nobody Thu Mar 28 07:49:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A01E6120499 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 07:49:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.75 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rpFu40VRvmpq for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 07:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw1-xc31.google.com (mail-yw1-xc31.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DF8512042D for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 07:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw1-xc31.google.com with SMTP id m207so6082675ywd.5 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 07:49:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=nx05dQ0v4irgRAp1XK1fAu3MW7u9aR9T3bX0wf+mvKA=; b=lpA7V++4GeWM8lhdy0uuDrNbJ1IbKQ++LFLPeja0lY3YavKlgZQxFf1HKmLuevRH3A iK+viHDaO2V6O/gsG2JK6hFUqeyO/cysnXg44O8wHly5gmGBIegOrmQgv8tlcytwLlkU ExfwkdwhEY10quyetVMUhoS0txR2cXy8UUCxNjiS52ooIENRKvhMru0JJmN/GlP5+vHH c2N2PsKmoPNUi7vnAlssJBoWcjD9K0E48CGYiOn+i6ZNpqbtxAFaOmQRAfmP4miI4m7D YXsMtxsN1Yu8f0brWt6RCH3R5VKE1nCAdk3QEGZsUXvYyLh80t3WnGTTp+1XiWK1kwCL GkvQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=nx05dQ0v4irgRAp1XK1fAu3MW7u9aR9T3bX0wf+mvKA=; b=m7guDn4CPFTBEtSF2c6Iw/ziS16hVxnXrj15Z9KQY/Mi7t/jFUk+GQdyUQPYrAzn8N iN+wUTRhpjIwm7aHT/hwZpOoLMiQQuBz+EUr49megsjJOcW9pfLfVvqwNXM+MExjzHQX DpVg43+LTJRojtUWuMvR9YH7wr4KruPrwFI6JY95mPgOqBI48tPi7orIFeg7e5BWh2qZ oO1uvIJ7GCmnerNiKQ/jwcouluEC6Pg3TSa/Yr/S2hCgB6P7YFk+8C2AO166O1d/l4KA DUGR7k/ohK58h3TS2CQuthJE16kmyzmRr4O7biB0kZj2wWjWUpu0UHDHqY4N5Ksr/8bm Ul4w== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUIGR5fAmFuTUonnfJP+bEChCcqkBAqxhbkPxqcB+fU+tswHqRt hYAjz0zW2hyg5NijsLT5M0ZF6oQeVpj0iE4s/NeuETQN0w8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyTaAU6lQ8ioHN3EidlcG8AOfLbrBi8NyIsWBsePrTmq2u/mjy3xjlYu30P62GV5+ybTPCcLZ/lKQpmxIOeUS4= X-Received: by 2002:a0d:d202:: with SMTP id u2mr33167992ywd.446.1553784562064; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 07:49:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Christopher Wood Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 15:49:11 +0100 Message-ID: To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: [Ietf-and-github] Adoption call for draft-thomson-git-using-github X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 14:49:25 -0000 At the GIT session today there was interest in adopting draft-thomson-git-using-github as a WG item. This email is to confirm that consensus. If you would like for this draft to become a WG document and you are willing to review it as it moves through the process, then please let the list know by 2359UTC 20190411. If you are opposed to this being a WG document, please say so (and say why). Thanks, Chris From nobody Thu Mar 28 08:21:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BFAB1204AD for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:21:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=rtfm-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hhXZxiWf0BCH for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lj1-x22b.google.com (mail-lj1-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D34312045B for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x22b.google.com with SMTP id t4so4898308ljc.2 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:21:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rtfm-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=rZuYbiLGJ7LOEPFIXjlu+UTNS/ZwYKthXUxlz/P7ci0=; b=NVKj4emCzwwU/KdDczKf9DZihe7fdK0KaWmAcYU/2vlE7oQzWbrifmyFolvrI/noEV DTPVHdKtVY7PiwXBHKPefT8cFKPSQzw2wcLDgv8ZLuEFcs9p8oHzMcptaCv8S/X12UTL PmclFSuEZ7UtRM21ravY/0IY46NM89bJoTLE7TxucecdiBAbbIaT4xyJT8hDJn65KDZE foBJoVSvrsyPdafPJBcoFoaOHAPNpLA1qo+llrxCFbJRdxX0t3uLrIwGQ9aR8K4YQjhi IHluEts29THMyXrj+xShQeb6qbA0sVzOrlZAHSNpv0xD4NHLNSjxVHGbkbO5HucBXA7r 2TIw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=rZuYbiLGJ7LOEPFIXjlu+UTNS/ZwYKthXUxlz/P7ci0=; b=BcvfAgI35QuimOVHGLsP2TiKXqjLerdtGTP1b94PY/nw/jRQdpVTp62FH3WeWtj8gM oY5uaGUWXEdYhEM3lOJ/fmyRGNjNMkPgta/Xm6EcEkAPsSS61L2GpHMurxgbp0KY/QPl VHn7vVCBn4fxSXhXPbsdhibRUL0UcDDgYEyHSQoUPlZcqpoOr6QI7hD9C5+TCc4S5can I9EhWPlrxcguzsx9a5SpeHao4telNxcZoQ0h/3iJyvHbbz1DqlWtUrR1kMIABTg2Z26/ hEje4mKY3i6Aq7mOjj858zkqN0pkBCVmVHJZHQQxrh8GL85E5GzOEJdoLPUp6GeHsYIc xxiQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXdeMVMLevnaOfsUcJTt4HhjqdFiTWx2zRdoM/kNdPMUezgBJZR 5ghNQL+FXUWHmYXIrwCzp5NJTmFmSuYc8dXm4n4hmQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx6U+VgMDUo8Z76cBFTU6fApuYsqltJuZgpPNd7ptKVIfh+byOJ7lbpFvf419kErBPjge+yccNkgpFjmX+yuJM= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:8050:: with SMTP id p16mr6744707ljg.160.1553786493357; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:21:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Eric Rescorla Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:20:55 -0700 Message-ID: To: Christopher Wood Cc: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000fe6bbe0585291bfc" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Adoption call for draft-thomson-git-using-github X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 15:21:37 -0000 --000000000000fe6bbe0585291bfc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I am in favor of adoption and I will review. On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 7:49 AM Christopher Wood < christopherwood07@gmail.com> wrote: > At the GIT session today there was interest in adopting > draft-thomson-git-using-github as a WG item. This email is to confirm > that consensus. > > If you would like for this draft to become a WG document and you are > willing to review it as it moves through the process, then please let > the list know by 2359UTC 20190411. If you are opposed to this being a > WG document, please say so (and say why). > > Thanks, > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github > --000000000000fe6bbe0585291bfc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am in favor of adoption and I will review.

=
On Thu, Ma= r 28, 2019 at 7:49 AM Christopher Wood <christopherwood07@gmail.com> wrote:
At the GIT session today there wa= s interest in adopting
draft-thomson-git-using-github as a WG item. This email is to confirm
that consensus.

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willing to review it as it moves through the process, then please let
the list know by 2359UTC 20190411. If you are opposed to this being a
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Martinez" To: "Eric Rescorla" Cc: "Christopher Wood" , ietf-and-github@ietf.org Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 16:32:14 +0100 X-Mailer: MailMate Trial (1.12.4r5594) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MailMate_72575A3D-DC8D-459C-ABDE-81BE79531E15_=" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Embedded-HTML: [{"HTML":[2167, 1215], "plain":[142, 754], "uuid":"6AF007C8-9B7E-42DE-A65E-6BA9A9A54425"}] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Adoption call for draft-thomson-git-using-github X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 15:32:23 -0000 --=_MailMate_72575A3D-DC8D-459C-ABDE-81BE79531E15_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Same. I’ve following the discussion in silence but I support and I am willing to review. On 28 Mar 2019, at 16:20, Eric Rescorla wrote: > I am in favor of adoption and I will review. > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 7:49 AM Christopher Wood < > christopherwood07@gmail.com> wrote: > >> At the GIT session today there was interest in adopting >> draft-thomson-git-using-github as a WG item. This email is to confirm >> that consensus. >> >> If you would like for this draft to become a WG document and you are >> willing to review it as it moves through the process, then please let >> the list know by 2359UTC 20190411. 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Same. I=E2=80=99ve following the= discussion in silence but I support and I am willing to review.

On 28 Mar 2019, at 16:20, Eric Rescorla wrote:

I am in favor of adoption= and I will review.

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 7:49 AM Christopher Wood= <christopherwood07@gma= il.com> wrote:
At the GIT session today there was interest in adopting
draft-thomson-git-using-github as a WG item. This email is to confirm
= that consensus.

If you would like for this draft to become a WG document and you are
willing to review it as it moves through the process, then please let
= the list know by 2359UTC 20190411. If you are opposed to this being a
= WG document, please say so (and say why).

Thanks,
Chris

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--=_MailMate_72575A3D-DC8D-459C-ABDE-81BE79531E15_=-- From nobody Thu Mar 28 08:47:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0CA4120270 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:47:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=outer-planes-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3nkYDdK2Qwzd for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr1-x431.google.com (mail-wr1-x431.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::431]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37889120114 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x431.google.com with SMTP id t17so2773270wrw.13 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:47:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outer-planes-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:openpgp:autocrypt:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=QrV1SaQTX4kEWIeRAiKs0f21eOgd45OEV1tZwBAGJII=; b=Jo7v7LU+wbTH2UshY9Rlfxm73FXlvT5eLDXMFgBTU6ulnYaeRgSwzrgv+6mjPOSIpx 05/KHfsQinDzr1iC1E/iqyNDk0u1NiOc4KsjwLuTH/FM3BEF8LX41vWjqiDQC5M70iqD ofOe4AXol9UjYfK2d8Q19AT8NHfhea7elvvsVltN7E9z0kuLy0sV0RDBK8ydAWFrBh3l WfcpFCvnRoUGJSffTZ6D0UEVUfH3qoJfkBbzz5B0F0vXc/LJwGhe6C+wE63dqAF3ar+F 8oKjl8treBxkvVPLJiq9bg9R1kw+G/RHzjjcUApwpRiBjAYO9yUm6eTwqpU/W3J5ajBx FvgA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:openpgp :autocrypt:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QrV1SaQTX4kEWIeRAiKs0f21eOgd45OEV1tZwBAGJII=; b=dFgPTVw2BMVavZSWd11S2RoP4IKHfE2Cdvr5LCo13FWQjXD08E0Gsv0FXjOA+JuQAe C9c3fZ9YvoRAWUFhPdUjZQciIv6KdMih6jO130F7jt07AISn3EgpoTfh++elsqeiJBme B/sW8XjJpAqAm8nge5L0XMn42ybOQ7ChIibCjYyiO4vdv2iUN/96/EdlwuUoXl05c1l0 0giyoECnDuAjoUFriWJKJwCE3hWkAm6azDfoGk1C2nuaLJsGfw4cjDj0CJ/vPAWTCWM/ 6GMELD6b41R6VKuTCJeRiHqZ+mJIsMPR8RMH68uMdhdVCaX9H5ls77i7PwrjKKYHXorH jVBQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXngQiJjOR00rgT+XcNp+taUz22a8vf7ydmtU+gapVtS9LddvO8 LoGv6q0jwcleeFeL6/oLFJ/Al6PRQqWYRaek X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqz/n0TutRxcNKGEFv9Q/jnpeMy/9fXvFO9ARQEDwJqIs/5OrucIVLgc3O5WfmNJBV2ddWvmGg== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:68cd:: with SMTP id p13mr28283030wrw.22.1553788070327; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-98b5.meeting.ietf.org ([2001:67c:1232:144:78ae:a4bb:bea9:b173]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n11sm39336786wrt.63.2019.03.28.08.47.49 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Matthew Miller To: "Carlos M. Martinez" , Eric Rescorla Cc: Christopher Wood , ietf-and-github@ietf.org References: From: "Matthew A. Miller" Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=linuxwolf+ietf@outer-planes.net; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQENBFJoAooBCADQmEtpbpY/4wTeKgZIuyG7HkxIFgiUeqOvtiBKj/pCA73d7Q5hCvQdGcKJ 6uZsYz3Il9oKoKFxVt90iEXspbE39g6ek19e6RsB4j0Q10l4QvH+EqeD760gs0H2yf/eYj9i uk9/VY6axdQlPsmid1zoQgCNjSM7X4/K26WGMs03sbXJpKdoonelzIlJSNfzi0q546iplo72 D2cCm9BriMkQvcGnsm4B9eBIBn3GKmVx1tsmPNeNTyun2DvaLnrYxbA0Ivo1DzZReds9NZ25 uROI/+b+lcg9/kmHzhK+q8NMQCFWmqpS/lZRKxVBSijKGpGr5h8VLVf5iURHtwG+B/QxABEB AAG0M01hdHRoZXcgQS4gTWlsbGVyIDxsaW51eHdvbGYraWV0ZkBvdXRlci1wbGFuZXMubmV0 PokBPQQTAQoAJwUCWKsJ1AIbAwUJC8ckMQULCQgHAwUVCgkICwUWAgMBAAIeAQIXgAAKCRDs 9HJOEJ4Fu1iBCADAcW06d/7GTlBjTlYuMGgjzDBoWeQ9/zxgMnSrgNb6yO7wHzE65CeFs6OI 6LQ4A34CNM3hhcWDIzlqrV25fVyy7qCh6bCNMs1pOT63+Od4kcjHtUnGGTONT5fXSGY7mCtl XJFjb3TwyLUZXQCifhCIaUdF/4SVoGk96W9ssbDKN+5xq7B7gyVkwB0WM67zxt/kC6TPcXXL 5m7jsNRpRmFQqOlIF+HrQAcSr1lKRWgetb1VHfXCgcmDaTKn1QC7s0Ml+27dc0SoIkBI8cnv inJ4oFYWrvnTlOvv+v8AFXZnPrxZ/JYvnVD/y5PX7v08Z8RFXm1AmVxIWjXPI6TySkGvuQEN BFJoAooBCADA/ruHwYlQ7pdjJY6twkZcMmedkQNL6r5tNBeQkwVrvitUjHTKKipjxB2kEkUZ oxPgMI1h7/enDrVlMMMqq6RIJ86H+yx13zNIZNBlJfmVHgHj7TT8spa6A/qIccdiIRNsFVvl vFxpH8sTjVbHfPYexbdOR5kHpZWTzYxNyVLXMK5jen0B4K+vjbgFJAvsoLfzLZ5Bz3kb6dpu xUNzqhDyhk5/UPaCIFvZWBtiRKmkqPwEq8G2aMJq5Z4Sr8CRkpoMB25rxCPS8R+ByiHxpq+U 8mKuqPVg1LJzcA7hHmms8aBN6lxSlbyKnzEg8AWgld+6+xlJXu5U/fqDAClTj5mfABEBAAGJ ATwEGAEKACYCGwwWIQQx11iN7JBpDWvMmODs9HJOEJ4FuwUCWm+kiwUJC8tagQAKCRDs9HJO EJ4Fu40cB/9xyEnuQegivmL6OBVG5HvUAaXGUxtWiWdLm3NrduL0h7rctF060xQTekNRCjbl xZ1w/unPDBEEIMPYbF8i7IwJZoRLTG1B1MjI04AUU60G0IU6uw0ST6IsC7oYGvhDNJApbVBb j9u9x+kzaktCftl3qdpSKgRh9McIyZgevuFBdo80RDtX8niktUA3xsfJWBD1yJA33UNSzqOe 54wFRbsM2+4erREPMD659h2lACPCXjPW/6ucnv0/cdPF8V2JNMCT0yPJVCSUfFLTrtyYtiRI 6S52cI4eEOZIXCQp30TA4E27O2mMLOYzlKA5P5T+Icf4gz8e/puNUKIBDlY6KF7p Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 16:47:48 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Adoption call for draft-thomson-git-using-github X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 15:47:55 -0000 I also support adopting this document, and am willing to review. - m&m Matthew A. Miller On 19/03/28 16:32, Carlos M. Martinez wrote: > Same. I’ve following the discussion in silence but I support and I am > willing to review. > > On 28 Mar 2019, at 16:20, Eric Rescorla wrote: > > I am in favor of adoption and I will review. > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 7:49 AM Christopher Wood > > > wrote: > > At the GIT session today there was interest in adopting > draft-thomson-git-using-github as a WG item. This email is to > confirm > that consensus. > > If you would like for this draft to become a WG document and you are > willing to review it as it moves through the process, then > please let > the list know by 2359UTC 20190411. If you are opposed to this > being a > WG document, please say so (and say why). > > Thanks, > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github > From nobody Thu Mar 28 08:56:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB42120013 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:56:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=sn3rd.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qIr9-k41L-5r for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw1-xc2e.google.com (mail-yw1-xc2e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c2e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85130120003 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw1-xc2e.google.com with SMTP id w66so2902138ywd.4 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:56:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sn3rd.com; s=google; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=/qsU1Db5PymmlTnqCvVbw6CGizHL1yV2Upw3Io+sG4I=; b=NLyEXMNMIu3GFzAjIGqbQ70ZDaPfYdsuyR4wi45Esbnuh6eZleVAyS9If5gjhQerbe i7wNAjoWtHoyks5FGdb1bC7MmbEjA+AqXbh0JnpOp/UqQ/lFKASH8x9n3YaZyfI/d3oy kBU7M2ZArS63hJc3Tv31ll4zCjRcDCNc+3eXk= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=/qsU1Db5PymmlTnqCvVbw6CGizHL1yV2Upw3Io+sG4I=; b=Iyvmpntq9deVH8/mhLpk0oEDmQUPcdrfH/0Xk2YiR2n9CDB5ePy7tqHimeKFGd5X52 77bPEgzayQXqL+j/hC9Kbh2BmnZmZjNRDtsDX0lKOGSMfjEvljtX5eikvvrVovrNMsad 4PHVn3V0yNOxYm8lrBXrvJVLi1Hex0g8nZShjgkvYo/UozKXMyrv+ipVbaYZV5vazDlx NxVjZtjevIHPz/ddgicj49DaCW2TCPGjzs6soUcbhlYIpFY0czLMEDxfroBp7ndlhUsR BCIFoqVmr0DJoW2lJ2XPk4pVDPvuXOVgjZ/386l7opBXUWZaQAgyYc05IkwKxxmStd3y JdZA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVYMffaMUn3UiwlUzx5+Mv8wQPUPfbozBqzsMnbiN732UnudNHP ZC+hruIy2qwDiMCokILG+4pVvg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzAQq3+emb0whKH/7PshS8U8+xgcYVfoUbQRQNNbo4TTVeEkeRQbKApj7B305mz6qV7vxUQEQ== X-Received: by 2002:a81:1ed2:: with SMTP id e201mr36770595ywe.49.1553788588829; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:67c:370:128:8147:20c8:478d:8b23? ([2001:67c:370:128:8147:20c8:478d:8b23]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k189sm7073211ywa.48.2019.03.28.08.56.27 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) From: Sean Turner In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 16:56:25 +0100 Cc: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Chris Wood X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Adoption call for draft-thomson-git-using-github X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 15:56:31 -0000 I think the WG should adopt this draft and I am willing to review it. spt > On Mar 28, 2019, at 15:49, Christopher Wood = wrote: >=20 > At the GIT session today there was interest in adopting > draft-thomson-git-using-github as a WG item. This email is to confirm > that consensus. >=20 > If you would like for this draft to become a WG document and you are > willing to review it as it moves through the process, then please let > the list know by 2359UTC 20190411. If you are opposed to this being a > WG document, please say so (and say why). >=20 > Thanks, > Chris >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github From nobody Fri Mar 29 00:12:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92D01201E0 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 00:12:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F4Y3MrCJFjiu for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 00:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emh02.mail.saunalahti.fi (emh02.mail.saunalahti.fi [62.142.5.108]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33B1C1201DA for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 00:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eggert.org (unknown [62.248.255.8]) by emh02.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C132000F; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 09:12:26 +0200 (EET) Received: from slate.eggert.org (pf.eggert.org [172.16.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by eggert.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0EBFB8745DC; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 09:10:38 +0200 (EET) From: Lars Eggert Message-Id: <33EC5505-4738-463B-8317-B453629934C0@eggert.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_63178AB7-5A7F-44C5-8286-EE20AE3807A6"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.8\)) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 09:10:37 +0200 In-Reply-To: Cc: Chris Wood , ietf-and-github@ietf.org To: Sean Turner References: X-MailScanner-ID: 0EBFB8745DC.A68B9 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: lars@eggert.org Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Adoption call for draft-thomson-git-using-github X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 07:12:31 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_63178AB7-5A7F-44C5-8286-EE20AE3807A6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 2019-3-28, at 17:56, Sean Turner wrote: > I think the WG should adopt this draft and I am willing to review it. +1 Lars --Apple-Mail=_63178AB7-5A7F-44C5-8286-EE20AE3807A6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEDrrUO3PMwKM8fddaHbmKvSnuNPgFAlydxO0ACgkQHbmKvSnu NPhByA//WkeY56qHqCWGPXL3WCjjEKrcj+ulWRw4ZKwLJR8znYWU1Bs0JJb1zZqr zs7XhVYObfkKcUoMV6tuGaFC14/jbr6LsI45jfsyaJFUF5AtxqIU8OyANBs5Yvk6 B3TeqkF+nptsZR1GW1ImvNAj4NlvFjxH97l0ybQtBTRhhCv/AiqrY9eig/gd3QL5 ah5YK5AyQOqjw0hxf04nsYXsEBxAgf8xcKMbQxInIlM8jUhUnCBjcQOe/7fhadKL R+NRZlFFN9DMi33OUu7la4y/+6gsg8XFttxWRqp+GAZ/zqmjpFIkn+vKi0mjwwj8 YgDs/cL0qVxaSv/8WFqbPWeHqly2YQrvfZvxtiZGyFBAx1jJ/xPgfxgWbg7CbPVb gDFQ3mj3MU3wRPJ58HiKZHBzmq3glz7U7yYPW6Ih5CuT70iA6LHdGlvQk658gVXJ UKfw2CF38A7MiV32N4NH4cPMrxIeexdrvMwpjVMHDcN9NzF8n5jBMoJ671fhlyTD 57L0+tkhlYrWnYq8NxsiBfMDbuWYaS1dHHYZ1r/au8PlNuuwZo1lmUCdI6g6VlrX chozg1e+vC/AakZuSjSoUaE+w9Qf2drko4FiDfE13Vp6BeeCzfnlm8b606jg8WSN BRKwYTQcuqNS3pr7sMwSFKEeiAJ2PUTFuDEgXPNK27nCwqGrDvY= =PHeG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_63178AB7-5A7F-44C5-8286-EE20AE3807A6--