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ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2019 20:33:18 -0000 Hi folks, As we approach Singapore, it would be quite useful to get more feedback on draft-ietf-git-using-github, especially with the changes merged in September. You can view the editor's copy here: https://ietf-gitwg.github.io/using-github/draft-ietf-git-using-github.html (I'm sure an updated version in the datatracker will come shortly.) To accompany this document, we also put together a tutorial for people new to Git(Hub) and its use for IETF draft development: https://ietf-gitwg.github.io It aims to help IETF contributors get started with the system, Martin's excellent i-d-template toolchain, and GitHub for the purposes of supporting the different Modes of Interaction described in draft-ietf-git-using-github. Please have a look at this material and provide feedback! We would like to finish draft-ietf-git-using-github in (or before) Singapore. 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I think the content all makes = sense. I did find a few nits in my review, which I've created a PR to fix here: = https://github.com/ietf-gitwg/using-github/pull/18 The one content change I propose is to change: "All repositories for working group documents MUST be public." To: "All repositories for Working Group documents within the Working Group organization MUST be public." The sentence previously seemed to also include a requirement on working = group documents for working groups not officially using GitHub; I don't = think we can make a requirement for people who happen to use a private = GitHub repo to manage a working group document that's not officially = using GitHub. Thanks! Tommy > On Oct 4, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Christopher Wood = wrote: >=20 > Hi folks, >=20 > As we approach Singapore, it would be quite useful to get more = feedback on draft-ietf-git-using-github, especially with the changes = merged in September. You can view the editor's copy here: >=20 > = https://ietf-gitwg.github.io/using-github/draft-ietf-git-using-github.html= >=20 > (I'm sure an updated version in the datatracker will come shortly.) >=20 > To accompany this document, we also put together a tutorial for people = new to Git(Hub) and its use for IETF draft development: >=20 > https://ietf-gitwg.github.io >=20 > It aims to help IETF contributors get started with the system, = Martin's excellent i-d-template toolchain, and GitHub for the purposes = of supporting the different Modes of Interaction described in = draft-ietf-git-using-github. >=20 > Please have a look at this material and provide feedback! 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[111.69.148.233]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q3sm6742375pgj.54.2019.10.04.18.41.21 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 04 Oct 2019 18:41:22 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org References: <81307dc9-b275-4305-84d8-3a602ab271f5@www.fastmail.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Message-ID: <53279a4d-4b29-4ed0-9db7-ae74e61133f7@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2019 14:41:21 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Seeking feedback on draft-ietf-git-using-github and Git tutorial X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2019 01:41:27 -0000 >> On Oct 4, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Christopher Wood wrote: >> >> Hi folks, >> >> As we approach Singapore, it would be quite useful to get more feedback on draft-ietf-git-using-github, especially with the changes merged in September. You can view the editor's copy here: >> >> https://ietf-gitwg.github.io/using-github/draft-ietf-git-using-github.html >> >> (I'm sure an updated version in the datatracker will come shortly.) When, please? The -00 draft is close to expiry. Apparently no update was posted prior to IETF 105 (against the advice in "6. Internet-Draft Publication"). Reading that section, I think it says too little about the danger of infrequent updates disadvantaging some WG members. I think that WG chairs SHOULD adopt a policy about the frequency of drafts (and IMHO it SHOULD be more frequent than one per IETF cycle, if a document is under active development). Also I had to work a little bit to get hold of diffs in the usual (rfcdiff) form. This may change somwhat as we move to xmlrfcv3, but could we recommend that .txt and Diff...txt.html files are also always made available? (Yes, the .txt file is there, but I had to guess where.) >> To accompany this document, we also put together a tutorial for people new to Git(Hub) and its use for IETF draft development: >> >> https://ietf-gitwg.github.io >> >> It aims to help IETF contributors get started with the system, Martin's excellent i-d-template toolchain, and GitHub for the purposes of supporting the different Modes of Interaction described in draft-ietf-git-using-github. It's a good start. But it doesn't provide pointers on how to install GitHub on the popular operating systems, and it doesn't do much for people who prefer to use the GitHub desktop app on Windows, or those who mainly want to use the web interface. Regards Brian From nobody Sat Oct 5 04:21:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA2C1201E0 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2019 04:21:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=heapingbits.net header.b=K4yAH7gN; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=LuLW8FHU Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T6T1bSwCMzu6 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2019 04:21:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com (out2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECAD012022E for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2019 04:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B75521EAE; Sat, 5 Oct 2019 07:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap4 ([10.202.2.54]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 05 Oct 2019 07:21:34 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heapingbits.net; h=mime-version:message-id:in-reply-to:references:date:from:to :cc:subject:content-type; s=fm2; bh=z43p2beydadNLyBXL0ZxQRi6Tnkn guywKeMHio3zwNQ=; b=K4yAH7gN6k+mVfxYHuxJLA8Ci8Ski1diOj8O0RsZt1l4 GU3gmYwNodFJplOVzcCPXnHjV0m44tFjc8jbFcLi4mAIC4EKu3cLmU1uzbVCkFYA jCvUQyebQ65v7R/lcIeA1NZYN7TIT7+dGDFKymAIAp+4V9apuN7NHR+cnNplWfu6 Wa6lb6OmZWFrEisitHj2N0udczqx1t+Qq4zz5v6wEzeHET83xOnPPfK1smmWEuFq E0qLDXoUnnTxUX7WbUSfucqysVo1O5DpxC7KG8MzkYbP5n1jQe2KcPgjYNR9qk+Q zSBbBpcKFi+jyGMzsVva+G2zBDgdUAEgfpOzd4foiA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=z43p2b eydadNLyBXL0ZxQRi6TnknguywKeMHio3zwNQ=; b=LuLW8FHURfrzfaPYmCe9Cp T9IKdKSU5w9JjE8CNyMcfbSWWWeqJ7U/wi6wFwUKGlQJ4DLapZ43XX3VaIrxNJfp L7ve5hon3oWxRicPyOF0yo+UBGe6zql8nKVPcqo7SnhhcpwGvdZpHbzoQKlE86mO lQCi37CIdpfv8Goysz0ZsidU65Cc8aUSiz/3AND42NQ5oH09pSTpMtZk1DuTsM+K c6Djel2i/riKIdkhtAA99cKNsufJ1KgxWCNQd9oigSyB6mb4k2k2T/dlXCKKBPte vT69/OtaShAVdydZ4vkUgNAzOhve48RLguJAevHY0cmFQWvKbOStJKxFWIeNcVYw == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrheefgdeflecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenog fuuhhsphgvtghtffhomhgrihhnucdlgeelmdenucfjughrpefofgggkfgjfhffhffvufgt sehttdertderreejnecuhfhrohhmpedfvehhrhhishhtohhphhgvrhcuhghoohgufdcuoe gtrgifsehhvggrphhinhhgsghithhsrdhnvghtqeenucffohhmrghinhepghhithhhuhgs rdhiohdpghhithhhuhgsrdgtohhmpdhivghtfhdrohhrghenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilh hfrhhomheptggrfieshhgvrghpihhnghgsihhtshdrnhgvthenucevlhhushhtvghrufhi iigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 2224E3C00A1; Sat, 5 Oct 2019 07:21:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.1.7-360-g7dda896-fmstable-20191004v2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0e19d992-07a5-4765-8c98-7e4e889d9d26@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <81307dc9-b275-4305-84d8-3a602ab271f5@www.fastmail.com> Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2019 04:21:13 -0700 From: "Christopher Wood" To: "Tommy Pauly" Cc: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] =?utf-8?q?Seeking_feedback_on_draft-ietf-git-u?= =?utf-8?q?sing-github_and_Git_tutorial?= X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2019 11:21:45 -0000 On Fri, Oct 4, 2019, at 4:56 PM, Tommy Pauly wrote: > The document looks good and reads well! I think the content all makes sense. > > I did find a few nits in my review, which I've created a PR to fix > here: https://github.com/ietf-gitwg/using-github/pull/18 Thanks for taking the time to read and make improvements! The changes look good to me. > The one content change I propose is to change: > > "All repositories for working group documents MUST be public." > > To: > > "All repositories for Working Group documents within the Working Group > organization MUST be public." > > The sentence previously seemed to also include a requirement on working > group documents for working groups not officially using GitHub; I don't > think we can make a requirement for people who happen to use a private > GitHub repo to manage a working group document that's not officially > using GitHub. Agreed. Good catch! Best, Chris > > Thanks! > Tommy > > > On Oct 4, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Christopher Wood wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > > > As we approach Singapore, it would be quite useful to get more feedback on draft-ietf-git-using-github, especially with the changes merged in September. You can view the editor's copy here: > > > > https://ietf-gitwg.github.io/using-github/draft-ietf-git-using-github.html > > > > (I'm sure an updated version in the datatracker will come shortly.) > > > > To accompany this document, we also put together a tutorial for people new to Git(Hub) and its use for IETF draft development: > > > > https://ietf-gitwg.github.io > > > > It aims to help IETF contributors get started with the system, Martin's excellent i-d-template toolchain, and GitHub for the purposes of supporting the different Modes of Interaction described in draft-ietf-git-using-github. > > > > Please have a look at this material and provide feedback! We would like to finish draft-ietf-git-using-github in (or before) Singapore. > > > > Thanks, > > Chris (chair hat on) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ietf-and-github mailing list > > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github > > From nobody Sat Oct 5 04:38:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC0712012C for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2019 04:38:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=heapingbits.net header.b=XSd/Gfkm; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=TXnSNluP Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hy00fbadJg2P for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2019 04:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com (out2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C487C1200D5 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2019 04:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE2F2208C for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2019 07:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap4 ([10.202.2.54]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 05 Oct 2019 07:38:08 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heapingbits.net; h=mime-version:message-id:in-reply-to:references:date:from:to :subject:content-type; s=fm2; bh=beEQzTDw+8bAFZOGkdnwgKqlbhv+CFU QW9TYZTPN8Ag=; b=XSd/GfkmLKvfFU9hKp80xjdX4I7P/cWwCzPbyqWVY1FSYFc FAP0+LxQFrbs7k9FFJ3X53SrgnBx3ShGsb6+lh6/sFJxQQRb82dFbkGi6cupKwgb zPs2j+zHqC7dxu3u4q53wjbYx3aJXJa+8HOaMe86MvLkLGIo5FEygGCk46kCi158 5hXD9qfCuDTmaS9aUjNMpCMnBx5Pyvv7Ps4nxX3ph79rwWNe48ySeq9g1j+j070J OV2k+VEqKHKmeKZGRjupUeNHUIjp+tkf3L0Onap3boG/mRIBjF1BxUC0eqNSh44I D9Levo8ezl2rqv96ef0aw4IJzvnU+LUozROT7qw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=beEQzT Dw+8bAFZOGkdnwgKqlbhv+CFUQW9TYZTPN8Ag=; b=TXnSNluPkhwQQJ5wo3jqzh T7D7zs+nhwMREowV+U0VJ9w4+kB9yHgLesW7d1W97HGNRWIVQGfyStKtvbK2Vnxp +epkmtnXpw2cEoWv9J4N/vRDfSx1Q/rCNRe2seFKvztAt/+q7jGzezzoDHigYW4H Mb8uC51nidCvVdBUNW/KT6wXKRSoRpaq2Bl88z5sBxYo+Ehk1lVfyLrtNRVW+89w vkeji40T5OOYWNJOtEbeqrzDvjferF6aNcHXCU0eZjpCAlTiPb2LQPVn7eIyK0fe KhdWD62NfYFk9RprzOVJspKS0YIScn+vF6s8qmtetjZ2NLqJoE5+5wE3l7FCmdyg == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrheefgdegfecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecuogfuuhhsphgvtghtffhomhgrihhnucdlgeelmdenuc fjughrpefofgggkfgjfhffhffvufgtsehttdertderreejnecuhfhrohhmpedfvehhrhhi shhtohhphhgvrhcuhghoohgufdcuoegtrgifsehhvggrphhinhhgsghithhsrdhnvghtqe enucffohhmrghinhepghhithhhuhgsrdhiohdpghhithhhuhgsrdgtohhmpdhivghtfhdr ohhrghenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomheptggrfieshhgvrghpihhnghgsihhtsh drnhgvthenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id B88D43C00A1; Sat, 5 Oct 2019 07:38:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.1.7-360-g7dda896-fmstable-20191004v2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <31c0f8c6-f148-4e38-88bd-3174bce1477f@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <53279a4d-4b29-4ed0-9db7-ae74e61133f7@gmail.com> References: <81307dc9-b275-4305-84d8-3a602ab271f5@www.fastmail.com> <53279a4d-4b29-4ed0-9db7-ae74e61133f7@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2019 04:37:48 -0700 From: "Christopher Wood" To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] =?utf-8?q?Seeking_feedback_on_draft-ietf-git-u?= =?utf-8?q?sing-github_and_Git_tutorial?= X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2019 11:38:11 -0000 On Fri, Oct 4, 2019, at 6:41 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > >> On Oct 4, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Christopher Wood wrote: > >> > >> Hi folks, > >> > >> As we approach Singapore, it would be quite useful to get more feedback on draft-ietf-git-using-github, especially with the changes merged in September. You can view the editor's copy here: > >> > >> https://ietf-gitwg.github.io/using-github/draft-ietf-git-using-github.html > >> > >> (I'm sure an updated version in the datatracker will come shortly.) > > When, please? I don't know exactly, but certainly before the draft deadline. > The -00 draft is close to expiry. Apparently no update > was posted prior to IETF 105 (against the advice in "6. Internet-Draft > Publication"). Reading that section, I think it says too little about > the danger of infrequent updates disadvantaging some WG members. I > think that WG chairs SHOULD adopt a policy about the frequency of > drafts (and IMHO it SHOULD be more frequent than one per IETF cycle, if > a document is under active development). Perhaps, but that's a separate issue. Some things just move slowly or take time, and not for lack of author or WG contributor activity. > Also I had to work a little bit to get hold of diffs in the usual > (rfcdiff) form. This may change somwhat as we move to xmlrfcv3, but > could we recommend that .txt and Diff...txt.html files are also always > made available? (Yes, the .txt file is there, but I had to guess where.) That seems reasonable to me! I filed this issue to add that to the document: https://github.com/ietf-gitwg/using-github/issues/19 The i-d-template tool links to these from document repository READMEs (see the "Compare Editor's Copy to Working Group Draft" link): https://github.com/ietf-gitwg/using-github Here's the diff in case others want it too: https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-git-using-github.txt&url2=https://ietf-gitwg.github.io/using-github/draft-ietf-git-using-github.txt > >> To accompany this document, we also put together a tutorial for people new to Git(Hub) and its use for IETF draft development: > >> > >> https://ietf-gitwg.github.io > >> > >> It aims to help IETF contributors get started with the system, Martin's excellent i-d-template toolchain, and GitHub for the purposes of supporting the different Modes of Interaction described in draft-ietf-git-using-github. > > It's a good start. But it doesn't provide pointers on how to install > GitHub on the popular operating systems, and it doesn't do much for > people who prefer to use the GitHub desktop app on Windows, or those > who mainly want to use the web interface. Interesting! I've a couple followup questions: 1. When you say "install GitHub," do you mean an application for using GitHub? If so, does this link suffice? https://help.github.com/en/desktop 2. Putting aside the "how" aspect for now, is the content of the page complete, or are there gaps that you'd like to see filled? For instance, are there parts of a workflow that are not described which you think should be? 3. This page shows how to modify documents using the GitHub application: https://help.github.com/en/desktop/contributing-to-projects Would pointing to that page from the "Document Modification" section, where relevant, suffice? Or would you want to see details about using the application inlined in the tutorial? (Personally, I think that's unwise, as the tutorial documentation will likely become outdated as GitHub makes changes to their application.) Thanks! 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[111.69.148.233]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f74sm12627616pfa.34.2019.10.05.12.51.16 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 05 Oct 2019 12:51:17 -0700 (PDT) To: Christopher Wood , ietf-and-github@ietf.org References: <81307dc9-b275-4305-84d8-3a602ab271f5@www.fastmail.com> <53279a4d-4b29-4ed0-9db7-ae74e61133f7@gmail.com> <31c0f8c6-f148-4e38-88bd-3174bce1477f@www.fastmail.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Message-ID: <70805425-33d6-b7b5-cb66-459bef7f914a@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 08:51:16 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <31c0f8c6-f148-4e38-88bd-3174bce1477f@www.fastmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Seeking feedback on draft-ietf-git-using-github and Git tutorial X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2019 19:51:22 -0000 Hi Chris, On 06-Oct-19 00:37, Christopher Wood wrote: > On Fri, Oct 4, 2019, at 6:41 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >>>> On Oct 4, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Christopher Wood wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi folks, >>>> >>>> As we approach Singapore, it would be quite useful to get more feedback on draft-ietf-git-using-github, especially with the changes merged in September. You can view the editor's copy here: >>>> >>>> https://ietf-gitwg.github.io/using-github/draft-ietf-git-using-github.html >>>> >>>> (I'm sure an updated version in the datatracker will come shortly.) >> >> When, please? > > I don't know exactly, but certainly before the draft deadline. > >> The -00 draft is close to expiry. Apparently no update >> was posted prior to IETF 105 (against the advice in "6. Internet-Draft >> Publication"). Reading that section, I think it says too little about >> the danger of infrequent updates disadvantaging some WG members. I >> think that WG chairs SHOULD adopt a policy about the frequency of >> drafts (and IMHO it SHOULD be more frequent than one per IETF cycle, if >> a document is under active development). > > Perhaps, but that's a separate issue. Some things just move slowly or take time, and not for lack of author or WG contributor activity. Indeed, and that's why a SHOULD would be the strongest statement I'd recommend, and why it should be a matter of WG policy. >> Also I had to work a little bit to get hold of diffs in the usual >> (rfcdiff) form. This may change somwhat as we move to xmlrfcv3, but >> could we recommend that .txt and Diff...txt.html files are also always >> made available? (Yes, the .txt file is there, but I had to guess where.) > > That seems reasonable to me! I filed this issue to add that to the document: > > https://github.com/ietf-gitwg/using-github/issues/19 Thanks! > > The i-d-template tool links to these from document repository READMEs (see the "Compare Editor's Copy to Working Group Draft" link): > > https://github.com/ietf-gitwg/using-github > > Here's the diff in case others want it too: > > https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-git-using-github.txt&url2=https://ietf-gitwg.github.io/using-github/draft-ietf-git-using-github.txt > >>>> To accompany this document, we also put together a tutorial for people new to Git(Hub) and its use for IETF draft development: >>>> >>>> https://ietf-gitwg.github.io >>>> >>>> It aims to help IETF contributors get started with the system, Martin's excellent i-d-template toolchain, and GitHub for the purposes of supporting the different Modes of Interaction described in draft-ietf-git-using-github. >> >> It's a good start. But it doesn't provide pointers on how to install >> GitHub on the popular operating systems, and it doesn't do much for >> people who prefer to use the GitHub desktop app on Windows, or those >> who mainly want to use the web interface. > > Interesting! I've a couple followup questions: > > 1. When you say "install GitHub," do you mean an application for using GitHub? If so, does this link suffice? > > https://help.github.com/en/desktop Yes, exactly, and I see that it's also available for OS X; not Linux, sadly. I also installed the CLI too, of course. So maybe https://help.github.com/en/articles/set-up-git is a more general link. > 2. Putting aside the "how" aspect for now, is the content of the page complete, or are there gaps that you'd like to see filled? For instance, are there parts of a workflow that are not described which you think should be? It looked reasonably complete to me. Maybe add a link for feedback on any gaps in the document (presumably, an issue tracker for the document itself)? > 3. This page shows how to modify documents using the GitHub application: > > https://help.github.com/en/desktop/contributing-to-projects > > Would pointing to that page from the "Document Modification" section, where relevant, suffice? Or would you want to see details about using the application inlined in the tutorial? (Personally, I think that's unwise, as the tutorial documentation will likely become outdated as GitHub makes changes to their application.) I agree. That's the page I consulted when first using GitHub desktop. My experience is that the desktop app is sufficient for most purposes; it's pretty rare that I have to use the CLI. Incidentally, make is a Unixism that doesn't exist in Windows. So that part of the tool chain isn't portable afaik. Regards Brian > > Thanks! > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github > From nobody Tue Oct 8 08:50:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A85121200B1 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 08:50:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ryxtoleV8aGS for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 08:50:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5D4A12003F for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 08:50:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kduck.mit.edu ([24.16.140.251]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id x98FoiRq001586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 8 Oct 2019 11:50:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 08:50:43 -0700 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: Brian E Carpenter Cc: Christopher Wood , ietf-and-github@ietf.org Message-ID: <20191008155043.GI76545@kduck.mit.edu> References: <81307dc9-b275-4305-84d8-3a602ab271f5@www.fastmail.com> <53279a4d-4b29-4ed0-9db7-ae74e61133f7@gmail.com> <31c0f8c6-f148-4e38-88bd-3174bce1477f@www.fastmail.com> <70805425-33d6-b7b5-cb66-459bef7f914a@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <70805425-33d6-b7b5-cb66-459bef7f914a@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Seeking feedback on draft-ietf-git-using-github and Git tutorial X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 15:50:54 -0000 On Sun, Oct 06, 2019 at 08:51:16AM +1300, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > > My experience is that the desktop app is sufficient for most purposes; it's pretty rare that I have to use the CLI. Incidentally, make is a Unixism that doesn't exist in Windows. So that part of the tool chain isn't portable afaik. nmake and jom exist, though most projects I work with end up with separate makefiles for windows and unix usage because the needed rules for compiling/linking C are so different. -Ben From nobody Tue Oct 8 12:12:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28487120273 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 12:12:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X_1f8kw4vxRI for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 12:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pl1-x641.google.com (mail-pl1-x641.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::641]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 651B8120164 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 12:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pl1-x641.google.com with SMTP id u20so8873606plq.4 for ; Tue, 08 Oct 2019 12:12:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SxXThIyjekHkefEj1vdjvhjFp6v+f/Qc7B84DBXquVY=; b=Wjjj+ECmn5eB3oUAE8u3hJEwUUkyUIv2qxBmuygbEIO16kePjJ78245gdEterZ8D24 5Z+d6lJsWtV8JN6qJMl7kr0OriLY6hraij6N3RmvSlk95y26AzLUjK/t8PrEQPa/dE6z x4U6lmSdvu36XBfCwpnpXZeVssm3QoPROGoiJBZqPNtJtgtCgLEsP62ahUWvSxIu3NeO xq6wrlaEHhYlSH8AFCw27Eik7dVRnqViwc3zs5KSQUUiV2QaqGZ4cQWPu7QAClqNmGae v16niNE8lc7uCjcv3t5SFJSUQqToOxJRSP/5EAZlvu9AFaK6bFGbT5AqoiVWKRBTJBk8 BQKg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=SxXThIyjekHkefEj1vdjvhjFp6v+f/Qc7B84DBXquVY=; b=qTHCqt1XnSuK5obdq3Y8rKuZxDClSm7xVW3YNPi/UpHUUgbkhSH6nlKYemwEryvZmL B4bFA3lO2T7pS5VPuI4H7w4GeBVo2iXSrnK7V7wqjXTNluW8rIz9xoxJhJuL17XOfaPN Pv613dgPO8aaqnH1NuIyS72ggpGCRtPFjMBE8kBPQXd4XDUatfUsUlE1nu+8WjzIwahd MgSvMgR8SAODpcCAX2Kb7+DbE8ND8HYiXuFWkjDsZYT5Q5ZAhoW0CX7Vr1VCxnTRUwDh gPn9wff+YoeylV26Qv+vIq0+WcjhGBddVbCSEdkORWNEhQA4ugGeH3+VSggtbxGWmrcz Lwtw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVYRfkIaX7Lek/1Fs5h4dUIDXLMCdXhn1Bf7o/UtR/xzfKTtXtb 7rs4uyNaRu/ZrJvBKqc/DhqcsQMR X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxb+2hrb3d8GylgXmno0MmS8vEQ7zD0+ZqfxWD4C0URGcRl1KtJRlti3oESbknZ6WcocgIRkg== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:b7ca:: with SMTP id v10mr34915828plz.54.1570561954632; Tue, 08 Oct 2019 12:12:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.30] (233.148.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz. [111.69.148.233]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e9sm15220810pgs.86.2019.10.08.12.12.31 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 08 Oct 2019 12:12:33 -0700 (PDT) To: Benjamin Kaduk Cc: Christopher Wood , ietf-and-github@ietf.org References: <81307dc9-b275-4305-84d8-3a602ab271f5@www.fastmail.com> <53279a4d-4b29-4ed0-9db7-ae74e61133f7@gmail.com> <31c0f8c6-f148-4e38-88bd-3174bce1477f@www.fastmail.com> <70805425-33d6-b7b5-cb66-459bef7f914a@gmail.com> <20191008155043.GI76545@kduck.mit.edu> From: Brian E Carpenter Message-ID: <0b630a19-de75-b2b8-e566-f884106f4264@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 08:12:31 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20191008155043.GI76545@kduck.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Seeking feedback on draft-ietf-git-using-github and Git tutorial X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 19:12:38 -0000 Hi ben, On 09-Oct-19 04:50, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > On Sun, Oct 06, 2019 at 08:51:16AM +1300, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> >> My experience is that the desktop app is sufficient for most purposes; it's pretty rare that I have to use the CLI. Incidentally, make is a Unixism that doesn't exist in Windows. So that part of the tool chain isn't portable afaik. > > nmake and jom exist, though most projects I work with end up with separate > makefiles for windows and unix usage because the needed rules for > compiling/linking C are so different. Are they well documented? In any case it seems that I am right about non-portability. 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Benjamin Kaduk Cc: ietf-and-github@ietf.org; Christopher Wood Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Seeking feedback on draft-ietf-git-using-git= hub and Git tutorial Yes, I-D draft/makefile stuff only works on unix-like systems. Luckily tha= t is a fairly low bar these days. _______________________________________________ Ietf-and-github mailing list Ietf-and-github@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github From nobody Thu Oct 10 13:13:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91D5120089 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 13:13:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bR8NYvWZHhHY for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 13:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 392F2120125 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 13:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kduck.mit.edu ([24.16.140.251]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id x9AKD8cL011905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 10 Oct 2019 16:13:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 13:13:08 -0700 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: Brian E Carpenter Cc: Christopher Wood , ietf-and-github@ietf.org Message-ID: <20191010201308.GM76545@kduck.mit.edu> References: <81307dc9-b275-4305-84d8-3a602ab271f5@www.fastmail.com> <53279a4d-4b29-4ed0-9db7-ae74e61133f7@gmail.com> <31c0f8c6-f148-4e38-88bd-3174bce1477f@www.fastmail.com> <70805425-33d6-b7b5-cb66-459bef7f914a@gmail.com> <20191008155043.GI76545@kduck.mit.edu> <0b630a19-de75-b2b8-e566-f884106f4264@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0b630a19-de75-b2b8-e566-f884106f4264@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Seeking feedback on draft-ietf-git-using-github and Git tutorial X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 20:13:17 -0000 On Wed, Oct 09, 2019 at 08:12:31AM +1300, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Hi ben, > On 09-Oct-19 04:50, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 06, 2019 at 08:51:16AM +1300, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > >> > >> My experience is that the desktop app is sufficient for most purposes; it's pretty rare that I have to use the CLI. Incidentally, make is a Unixism that doesn't exist in Windows. So that part of the tool chain isn't portable afaik. > > > > nmake and jom exist, though most projects I work with end up with separate > > makefiles for windows and unix usage because the needed rules for > > compiling/linking C are so different. > > Are they well documented? In any case it seems that I am right about non-portability. The subsystem for linux is probably the right answer here (thanks, Mike!) but for completeness: Microsoft seems to have nmake docs at https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/build/reference/nmake-reference?view=vs-2019 which presumably are comparable to most of Microsoft's docs. I've never actually used jot myself, so I can't say much more about it than people use it in order to do parallel builds (not possible with nmake). -Ben From nobody Thu Oct 10 15:17:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F9712003E for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 15:17:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=lowentropy.net header.b=fAd1LQAb; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=Hqhjsp6C Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EehHNZbrH11I for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 15:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wout2-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout2-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0643D1200CD for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 15:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2B5695 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap2 ([10.202.2.52]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:17:41 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lowentropy.net; h=mime-version:message-id:in-reply-to:references:date:from:to :subject:content-type; s=fm3; bh=3Z6EnnnDk9R1UKgRTdR5A0X8Srj6dKG Lul4IzScXXuc=; b=fAd1LQAb8cRTmauOhjNfQMNdxHox8lylw09wngH0lqSF5mW xyzhL8KqdD5AC9QyX585Kx3QX/WpidrCNFL0ADATcL/iLYhLqTsczSEnCzsIfYpQ dfE6Muy4gJ+4i3BBj+9rY+GfgclMb192FAXpc10NJ69XV6eJrSNB7WDfxz2w1nj1 Nd4krQVmtWnowW0no35uC4SmU/sQTsBTY/H43U2/y1/BCytLuaMqnWTgyydGbZ0n lzS1XzVv1gFdmm4thXHu+j1apxRtFw0T1/i6C58RMsn7Br10lCNWKG4YwwlDmvMA VJPliWDQN9Dp8KF9IzVv43nueWdHgZZp8wD59xg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=3Z6Enn nDk9R1UKgRTdR5A0X8Srj6dKGLul4IzScXXuc=; b=Hqhjsp6Cb54ZZn775MOc9a 4rvMt9Ci2TVRMnR2Z5YTGg5FI+8cKBvDrrmQEyRYfLmcWkggVQWPgTWXdsH0V8Gm q79L5+2ots/q9DJeCe4i3faAATdCmVchLtgf15kfaHLndSKrzuOyXgDUItxWpsOj q3z5KUNMkf3YQJaAortJbMv9RsLWi8BJ30AaDbrZATxs3vLyCs6VF+ocYt12FgG2 WU25K+Lt5ApxqZWBiqByd0+FeaBZdWxgZpSwt0i0lUUP4WZJFfaMHCWhXYGwAO8i uPjvbbf7LS2MvNAK88rCbh58fbGz8sLCjBGLSEicJMOzPR1CcqBr5Q0XcNZPuO6w == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrieeggddtjecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepofgfggfkjghffffhvffutgesthdtre dtreerjeenucfhrhhomhepfdforghrthhinhcuvfhhohhmshhonhdfuceomhhtsehlohif vghnthhrohhphidrnhgvtheqnecuffhomhgrihhnpehmihgtrhhoshhofhhtrdgtohhmne curfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehmtheslhhofigvnhhtrhhophihrdhnvghtnecu vehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 85F9BE00A5; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:17:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.1.7-360-g7dda896-fmstable-20191004v2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9359f5e9-c86b-4c44-87c4-8438c1bf1e04@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20191010201308.GM76545@kduck.mit.edu> References: <81307dc9-b275-4305-84d8-3a602ab271f5@www.fastmail.com> <53279a4d-4b29-4ed0-9db7-ae74e61133f7@gmail.com> <31c0f8c6-f148-4e38-88bd-3174bce1477f@www.fastmail.com> <70805425-33d6-b7b5-cb66-459bef7f914a@gmail.com> <20191008155043.GI76545@kduck.mit.edu> <0b630a19-de75-b2b8-e566-f884106f4264@gmail.com> <20191010201308.GM76545@kduck.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 09:17:21 +1100 From: "Martin Thomson" To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] =?utf-8?q?Seeking_feedback_on_draft-ietf-git-u?= =?utf-8?q?sing-github_and_Git_tutorial?= X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 22:17:44 -0000 On Fri, Oct 11, 2019, at 07:13, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > The subsystem for linux is probably the right answer here (thanks, > Mike!) Yes, this is the configuration I use. I used to use cygwin, which should work, but it's a lot more difficult to setup. > but for completeness: Microsoft seems to have nmake docs at > https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/build/reference/nmake-reference?view=vs-2019 > which presumably are comparable to most of Microsoft's docs. I've never > actually used jot myself, so I can't say much more about it than people > use > it in order to do parallel builds (not possible with nmake). I've never tried using nmake. My guess is that it would fail spectacularly. 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Apparently no update > >> was posted prior to IETF 105 (against the advice in "6. Internet-Draft > >> Publication"). Reading that section, I think it says too little about > >> the danger of infrequent updates disadvantaging some WG members. I > >> think that WG chairs SHOULD adopt a policy about the frequency of > >> drafts (and IMHO it SHOULD be more frequent than one per IETF cycle, if > >> a document is under active development). > > > > Perhaps, but that's a separate issue. Some things just move slowly or take time, and not for lack of author or WG contributor activity. > > Indeed, and that's why a SHOULD would be the strongest statement I'd > recommend, and why it should be a matter of WG policy. To clarify: are you suggesting we add text to one of the documents stating this? If so, what would that text be, and where would you add it? > > > > > The i-d-template tool links to these from document repository READMEs (see the "Compare Editor's Copy to Working Group Draft" link): > > > > https://github.com/ietf-gitwg/using-github > > > > Here's the diff in case others want it too: > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-git-using-github.txt&url2=https://ietf-gitwg.github.io/using-github/draft-ietf-git-using-github.txt > > > >>>> To accompany this document, we also put together a tutorial for people new to Git(Hub) and its use for IETF draft development: > >>>> > >>>> https://ietf-gitwg.github.io > >>>> > >>>> It aims to help IETF contributors get started with the system, Martin's excellent i-d-template toolchain, and GitHub for the purposes of supporting the different Modes of Interaction described in draft-ietf-git-using-github. > >> > >> It's a good start. But it doesn't provide pointers on how to install > >> GitHub on the popular operating systems, and it doesn't do much for > >> people who prefer to use the GitHub desktop app on Windows, or those > >> who mainly want to use the web interface. > > > > Interesting! I've a couple followup questions: > > > > 1. When you say "install GitHub," do you mean an application for using GitHub? If so, does this link suffice? > > > > https://help.github.com/en/desktop > > Yes, exactly, and I see that it's also available for OS X; not Linux, > sadly. I also installed the CLI too, of course. So maybe > https://help.github.com/en/articles/set-up-git is a more general link. Okay, good to know. I included that link, too. > > > 2. Putting aside the "how" aspect for now, is the content of the page complete, or are there gaps that you'd like to see filled? For instance, are there parts of a workflow that are not described which you think should be? > > It looked reasonably complete to me. Maybe add a link for feedback on > any gaps in the document (presumably, an issue tracker for the document > itself)? Great idea! It's done. > > > 3. This page shows how to modify documents using the GitHub application: > > > > https://help.github.com/en/desktop/contributing-to-projects > > > > Would pointing to that page from the "Document Modification" section, where relevant, suffice? Or would you want to see details about using the application inlined in the tutorial? (Personally, I think that's unwise, as the tutorial documentation will likely become outdated as GitHub makes changes to their application.) > > I agree. That's the page I consulted when first using GitHub desktop. > > My experience is that the desktop app is sufficient for most purposes; > it's pretty rare that I have to use the CLI. Incidentally, make is a > Unixism that doesn't exist in Windows. So that part of the tool chain > isn't portable afaik. That makes sense. For now, I'll point to the desktop application page. If someone wants to suggest text for the other operating systems, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again for the feedback! Best, Chris From nobody Thu Oct 10 20:02:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578CB1200CC; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 20:02:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.105.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Message-ID: <157076296718.20514.13633614592241624527@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 20:02:47 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Ietf-and-github] I-D Action: draft-ietf-git-using-github-01.txt X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 03:02:48 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the GitHub Integration and Tooling WG of the IETF. Title : Using GitHub at the IETF Authors : Martin Thomson Barbara Stark Filename : draft-ietf-git-using-github-01.txt Pages : 27 Date : 2019-10-10 Abstract: This document describes best practices for Working Groups that use GitHub for their work. Note to Readers Discussion of this document takes place on the GitHub@ietf mailing list (ietf-and-github@ietf.org), which is archived at https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/search?email_list=ietf-and-github [1]. Source for this draft and an issue tracker can be found at https://github.com/ietf-gitwg/using-github [2]. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-git-using-github/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-git-using-github-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-git-using-github-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-git-using-github-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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This is good stuff. I used a slightly different workflow on my last draft, mostly because I ended up using Microsoft Word. 1. Edit document. 2. Save copy of document as .docx. 3. Upload to word2md.com 4. Download markdown. 5. Tweak. This probably has far worse privacy properties than your tool, but it seems to have a sane privacy policy: https://word2md.com/privacy/ And it worked wonderfully. 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[111.69.148.233]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b185sm15673423pfg.14.2019.10.12.12.37.35 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 12 Oct 2019 12:37:36 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org References: <157076296718.20514.13633614592241624527@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Message-ID: <4984f4a9-384d-c0f4-d709-3aa620d2c1b8@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 08:37:33 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <157076296718.20514.13633614592241624527@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] I-D Action: draft-ietf-git-using-github-01.txt X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 19:37:41 -0000 Hi, A couple of points on this version: > Editors SHOULD create a new Internet-Draft submission two weeks prior > to every session (see Section 7.1 of [RFC2418]). I think it should be made clear that 'session' does not only mean a face-to-face meeting at an IETF site. RFC2418 refers to 'working group sessions (including those held outside of the IETF meetings' and to 'active "interim" face-to-face meetings, telephone conferences, or video conferences'. Secondly, I think something like the following is needed, possibly in section 10 'GitHub Limitations': For practical reasons, some participants might access GitHub only via its web interface. The above recommendations still allow them to participate in discussions. If any participants have no access to GitHub for some reason, the Working Group chairs MUST ensure that their comments are taken into account. Regards Brian From nobody Mon Oct 21 09:12:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1699120071; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 09:12:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.106.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Message-ID: <157167435990.31791.17558420062667266752@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 09:12:39 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Ietf-and-github] I-D Action: draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration-03.txt X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 16:12:40 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the GitHub Integration and Tooling WG of the IETF. Title : GitHub Configuration for IETF Working Groups Authors : Alissa Cooper Paul Hoffman Filename : draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration-03.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2019-10-21 Abstract: The use of GitHub in IETF working group processes is increasing. This document describes possible uses and conventions for working groups which are considering starting to use GitHub. It does not mandate any processes, and does not require changes to the processes used by current and future working groups not using GitHub. Discussion of this document takes place on the ietf-and-github mailing list (ietf-and-github@ietf.org), which is archived at . The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Oct 21 10:50:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A6D12010F for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 10:50:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aYwPpPZmMoYe for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 10:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppa4.dc.icann.org (ppa4.dc.icann.org [192.0.46.77]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B7C412016E for ; 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The above recommendations still allow them to > participate in discussions. If any participants have no access to > GitHub for some reason, the Working Group chairs MUST ensure that their > comments are taken into account. Hi Brian, There was already text in Section 7 that addressed this point. I've sharpened it (major additions highlighted), as follows: ~~~ [...] Participants who wish to limit this time commitment might follow GitHub activity selectively, either by following only specific issues or by occasionally reviewing the state of the document. **Other participants might not use GitHub at all.** Chairs are reminded that assessing consensus based on GitHub content alone cannot be assumed to reach all interested participants. **Chairs MUST consider input from all discussion venues when assessing consensus including GitHub, mailing lists, and in-person meetings. Each venue has different selection biases that might need to be considered.** A Working Group chair MUST consult the Working Group mailing list for any issue that is potentially contentious. [...] ~~~ I've bundled this with the suggested unpacking of "session". https://github.com/ietf-gitwg/using-github/pull/24 From nobody Mon Oct 21 21:31:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9E512004F for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 21:31:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=lowentropy.net header.b=j/J32SIX; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=Jz1lTXwN Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XMJ3XD9Sj9aj for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 21:31:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wout5-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout5-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8472B120058 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 21:31:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5DBC2E0 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 23:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap2 ([10.202.2.52]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 21 Oct 2019 23:33:52 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lowentropy.net; h=mime-version:message-id:in-reply-to:references:date:from:to :subject:content-type; s=fm3; bh=mKYS/RuNBIKJ5p06VgatARmd3Y0/b91 iVOLwcJF7Na8=; b=j/J32SIXaJBEeU6dPOGYLJCwKcGE0YQDSzCeqR/WIcxkrRC /iz4Bu3mzbvIK0NbtRDJHU9QTMTOzbjIIN2EPGjG3H3rQoFVf9o6l3KeIqEyRBhH 0JXhSXv6aK0uIpfr7t8fpvpG0V0+b8Kieq5vGZL27a95j4ZFkyDJsz86D2lAgP5l BnuBwbM5wb90IpNwOEH707alkARFaI9/iYIImiKIZVyb0Czm7tOva8PClSOrt2iS n0jbGwPNB+iA1aa2gesTET9ZVo3vzWgPwztir1iBC1AViIGSTbV2ucM7k2fDD6UU vWiHG4g4b55bShEWjoI1+0MdymFQIfbLAkxJ6SA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=mKYS/R uNBIKJ5p06VgatARmd3Y0/b91iVOLwcJF7Na8=; b=Jz1lTXwNz5WuMX1Vex1AD+ IrGNSZ4dVbtGuzAGGl2b94bO4pQ4k5LpUQDHckPJpqNP2Fx+Q1jz5fUwrizpsKWe nNLRD2tbWJ89UDvI8jzlO9wleJqivIIrHtAeEbb/nBZpsTuLGoJ09I3ZJG9hvWWW kbSxKDtIEImzpIEuab1PpTncN2VhScO6lLztSerHwMO3dkB/R5XmaIpFvRwM/meM RA2BARLBdioo+xD7QU7cJmhapc2hL38DUI9UZ9WusfR1UkUMEfhYISkJYWHGf1hV uo0lQ2O8j5mx/J3h/sMrF3BYoA66gL7DBUO/D/eePZyPxwJafit2a3Y2ewb9xwAw == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrkeeigdejvdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepofgfggfkjghffffhvffutgesthdtre dtreertdenucfhrhhomhepfdforghrthhinhcuvfhhohhmshhonhdfuceomhhtsehlohif vghnthhrohhphidrnhgvtheqnecuffhomhgrihhnpehgihhthhhusgdrtghomhenucfrrg hrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepmhhtsehlohifvghnthhrohhphidrnhgvthenucevlhhu shhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 2EFC8E00A5; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 23:33:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.1.7-470-gedfae93-fmstable-20191021v4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <2a1c0461-f203-4044-90e7-43276c056809@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:33:33 +1100 From: "Martin Thomson" To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Simple WG policy for document management X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 04:31:17 -0000 On Tue, Oct 22, 2019, at 04:50, Paul Hoffman wrote: > [...] I'd like to either see 5.1 be expanded to allow PRs > from the WG, or a new section 5.2 inserted that is 5.1 plus WG PRs. https://github.com/ietf-gitwg/using-github/pull/new/light-pr does the former, which I think makes the most sense here. That is, it allows editors to manage the document as they see fit, using the tools available, but doesn't confer any special status to those tools. As Paul observes, the text could have been read to imply that editors can't use pull requests at all. That was never the intention. > Does this match with what others have found in WGs that are just using > GitHub for document management and pre-draft-revision change tracking? Yeah, this matches what I've seen in practice. 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[111.69.148.233]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o123sm823416pfg.161.2019.10.21.21.07.19 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 21 Oct 2019 21:07:20 -0700 (PDT) To: Martin Thomson , ietf-and-github@ietf.org References: <157076296718.20514.13633614592241624527@ietfa.amsl.com> <4984f4a9-384d-c0f4-d709-3aa620d2c1b8@gmail.com> <448e593b-c717-4c30-b230-d98e54cfc860@www.fastmail.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 17:07:19 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <448e593b-c717-4c30-b230-d98e54cfc860@www.fastmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] I-D Action: draft-ietf-git-using-github-01.txt X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 04:36:19 -0000 Looks good, thanks. Regards Brian On 22-Oct-19 11:59, Martin Thomson wrote: > On Sun, Oct 13, 2019, at 06:37, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> Secondly, I think something like the following is needed, possibly in >> section 10 'GitHub Limitations': >> >> For practical reasons, some participants might access GitHub only via >> its web interface. The above recommendations still allow them to >> participate in discussions. If any participants have no access to >> GitHub for some reason, the Working Group chairs MUST ensure that their >> comments are taken into account. > > Hi Brian, > > There was already text in Section 7 that addressed this point. I've sharpened it (major additions highlighted), as follows: > > ~~~ > [...] Participants who wish to limit this time commitment might > follow GitHub activity selectively, either by following only specific issues or > by occasionally reviewing the state of the document. **Other participants might > not use GitHub at all.** Chairs are reminded that assessing consensus based on > GitHub content alone cannot be assumed to reach all interested participants. > > **Chairs MUST consider input from all discussion venues when assessing consensus > including GitHub, mailing lists, and in-person meetings. Each venue has > different selection biases that might need to be considered.** > > A Working Group chair MUST consult the Working Group mailing list for any issue > that is potentially contentious. [...] > ~~~ > > I've bundled this with the suggested unpacking of "session". > > https://github.com/ietf-gitwg/using-github/pull/24 > From nobody Fri Oct 25 14:13:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB67120808; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 14:12:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: alissa@cooperw.in, ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.108.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <157203792258.2724.7291614929187402075.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 14:12:02 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Ietf-and-github] git - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 106 X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 21:12:06 -0000 Dear Christopher Wood, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. git Session 1 (1:00 requested) Tuesday, 19 November 2019, Afternoon Session II 1520-1650 Room Name: Sophia size: 200 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/sessions/git.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: GitHub Integration and Tooling Area Name: General Area Session Requester: Christopher Wood Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 65 Conflicts to Avoid: Chair Conflict: dnsop dprive pearg tls Key Participant Conflict: quic babel dnssd homenet anima spring httpbis acme mls People who must be present: Paul E. Hoffman Alissa Cooper Christopher A. Wood Resources Requested: Special Requests: Please also avoid all BoFs and area meetings. ---------------------------------------------------------