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Thu, 2 Apr 2020 14:47:12 +0000 From: Mike Bishop To: "Salz, Rich" , Martin Thomson CC: "wgchairs@ietf.org" , "ietf-and-github@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Ietf-and-github] Tools for GitHub backups Thread-Index: AQHV/nNMA4644NVYkkWocDXdH0DqBKhRjYGAgAEFCoCAAH9YAIAS63+Q Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 14:47:12 +0000 Message-ID: References: <6c820473-d7ab-47c5-885b-56ea519ebefc@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=mbishop@evequefou.be; x-originating-ip: [2600:2b00:930c:7701:f126:dc85:c386:98fb] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 10e949a4-3894-4b29-bea0-08d7d714bab3 x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: CH2PR22MB1863: x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:4714; x-forefront-prvs: 0361212EA8 x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:1; SRV:; IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:CH2PR22MB2086.namprd22.prod.outlook.com; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: evequefou.be X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 10e949a4-3894-4b29-bea0-08d7d714bab3 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 02 Apr 2020 14:47:12.7047 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 41eaf50b-882d-47eb-8c4c-0b5b76a9da8f X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: vK0yVQ4CFaJkuxciOCoBfyf5UfURSUc7BeEijP0h8h8h4T+GxM9L2b5+ykTos5TAezL0Ab/x//56586YLTiPEA== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CH2PR22MB1863 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Tools for GitHub backups X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 14:47:19 -0000 There's nothing ID-Template-specific about the script (https://github.com/m= artinthomson/i-d-template/blob/master/archive_repo.py) -- you could theoret= ically download the script directly and point it to any repo, whether you'r= e an owner or not. It only requires a GitHub token with read access to the= repo in question. If a WG didn't do the CI setup, though I would strongly encourage them to d= o so, the Secretariat could use the tool directly to generate an archive an= d store it somewhere. -----Original Message----- From: Ietf-and-github On Behalf Of Salz,= Rich Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 9:48 AM To: Martin Thomson Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org; ietf-and-github@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Tools for GitHub backups > It saves this ... it saves that ... So in order to do a backup if the WG uses your CI tooling to save data in t= he repo, then anyone can clone the repo and it's all set. If they don't us= e this, then the secretariat will need to be an owner to use other tooling = to do a backup. =20 _______________________________________________ Ietf-and-github mailing list Ietf-and-github@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github From nobody Mon Apr 13 07:41:44 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556203A16E5; Mon, 13 Apr 2020 07:41:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.126.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Message-ID: <158678890228.9180.14077963159558711126@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 07:41:42 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Ietf-and-github] I-D Action: draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration-07.txt X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 14:41:42 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the GitHub Integration and Tooling WG of the IETF. Title : Working Group GitHub Administration Authors : Alissa Cooper Paul Hoffman Filename : draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration-07.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2020-04-13 Abstract: The use of GitHub in IETF working group processes is increasing. This document describes uses and conventions for working groups which are considering starting to use GitHub. It does not mandate any processes, and does not require changes to the processes used by current and future working groups not using GitHub. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration-07 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Apr 13 08:32:46 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5623A17CF; Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:32:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.126.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: barryleiba@gmail.com, Christopher Wood , draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration@ietf.org, caw@heapingbits.net, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, ietf-and-github@ietf.org, The IESG , git-chairs@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <158679195799.25518.9011536271535979494@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:32:38 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Ietf-and-github] Document Action: 'Working Group GitHub Administration' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration-07.txt) X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:32:38 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Working Group GitHub Administration' (draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration-07.txt) as Informational RFC This document is the product of the GitHub Integration and Tooling Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Barry Leiba and Alissa Cooper. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration/ Technical Summary The use of GitHub in IETF working group processes is increasing. This document describes possible uses and conventions for working groups that are considering starting to use GitHub. It does not mandate any processes, and does not require changes to the processes used by current and future working groups not using GitHub. It also proposes extensions to the IETF Datatracker that might help the IETF community better implement the proposed policies. Working Group Summary Some working group participants expressed concern over who might implement the mechanisms or policies described in this document. Beyond that, there were no controversial points raised. Document Quality This document is short, simple, and well written. It derives from existing github usage in several working groups, and is, therefore, based on solid ground. Other working groups are very likely to implement the suggestions herein. Personnel Christopher A. Wood is the Document Shepherd. Barry Leiba is the responsible Area Director. RFC Editor Note Please remove the second paragraph of the Abstract (the one that says what mailing list discussion is on) before publication. 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X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 14:53:48 -0000 Hi folks, With both draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration and draft-ietf-git-using-github in the RFC editor queue, it's time the WG consider whether we should close or re-charter for additional work. If anyone has work items from our charter they'd like brought to the WG, we (chairs) ask that you raise them now. Thanks, Chris, on behalf of the chairs From nobody Mon Apr 20 16:21:01 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B67D3A128D for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 16:20:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=lowentropy.net header.b=PMwvcoMB; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=ctli+LHQ Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2jKFXob7L_p1 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 16:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wout1-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout1-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6433E3A128E for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 16:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D674700 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 19:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap7 ([10.202.2.57]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 20 Apr 2020 19:20:57 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lowentropy.net; h=mime-version:message-id:in-reply-to:references:date:from:to :subject:content-type; s=fm2; bh=4TDu3Fz8eX1jTeJVshZ14BGCLUqZWiY Mct/bYujoAq0=; b=PMwvcoMB9yngH47SK9QtVGqez0yDqB3oOiQabwBblPlPl2B 1OdXpEye4WJ5ir+T2eX0FYjgmm0yHctz6SurjZjJGFE0ckNvJFHg7iaalfgSNxnN qDAQBFO5OOchhK/8h8XLqHIIMPyDaR+KSIVVe0ZQyqKMee7JEhYzyPqF1x12aIlw 4NIoQ037G3FXH/gBybAvNPgVHmc+FS00P7wGJKxVEPoGGv2rxpoqX3Tvcyeqiyn+ 4PIM+RSNcO95GzrjQU0zKUgIXZLDkmLml5pVLQeA7ZbFLZD92EVZwfuOH66RsUCI F9iPHqJKt5LBt5q1YP69Ksu2wpQqFoNOR/7rrJw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=4TDu3F z8eX1jTeJVshZ14BGCLUqZWiYMct/bYujoAq0=; b=ctli+LHQOZJI4F5jyUIl04 0z/0UcT1iRC4rnOC505U16DNGDRPphpev2yIRzIW5awhUVUNUvrIAJefCKG+PW8n 1wNc5o6y2PmmrpMf8yzUAswhCdQBViHQU3nwnLEhVREeWV14DfdaZsoOY+WmHICz X3BL6w8iX+vN7UsiecH7uRqgFOoLnFUncnRLDU0+LQ+eQru4hw6qUqhdO+ce1+9T X/fjANF4hBLuElJ+eJyINyxGBgQW+/PLbBBLLpFMOVpEGBZfnhbDJOTIuhUEUQL8 nTqMkP5QPmxnrt0vzJTleYCBTvS3kxQCq8HmqIHByNP/KvT1FoQbxQqmr+CaYMzw == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduhedrgeeggddukecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepofgfggfkjghffffhvffutgesthdtre dtreertdenucfhrhhomhepfdforghrthhinhcuvfhhohhmshhonhdfuceomhhtsehlohif vghnthhrohhphidrnhgvtheqnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpe hmrghilhhfrhhomhepmhhtsehlohifvghnthhrohhphidrnhgvth X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id EB2C9180091; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 19:20:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.1.7-1152-g08c8976-fmstable-20200420v1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <6c612f28-badb-42b1-ae19-727d1c9652d9@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <01d587fb-5861-4e94-8e8e-21e07bf90592@www.fastmail.com> References: <01d587fb-5861-4e94-8e8e-21e07bf90592@www.fastmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 09:20:36 +1000 From: "Martin Thomson" To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Any additional work items? X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 23:21:00 -0000 On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, at 00:53, Christopher Wood wrote: > With both draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration and > draft-ietf-git-using-github in the RFC editor queue, it's time the WG > consider whether we should close or re-charter for additional work. If > anyone has work items from our charter they'd like brought to the WG, > we (chairs) ask that you raise them now. We might need to revise the documents again some time in future, but we don't need a live working group for that. The list has value for discussing these topics, so we should keep that. I think we can declare victory and thank those who made it happen. 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X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 23:25:12 -0000 --000000000000bfbd3005a3c13587 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Agree with Mr Thompson. Eventually the git draft will become a BCP but that can happen in genarea tim On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 7:21 PM Martin Thomson wrote: > On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, at 00:53, Christopher Wood wrote: > > With both draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration and > > draft-ietf-git-using-github in the RFC editor queue, it's time the WG > > consider whether we should close or re-charter for additional work. If > > anyone has work items from our charter they'd like brought to the WG, > > we (chairs) ask that you raise them now. > > We might need to revise the documents again some time in future, but we > don't need a live working group for that. > > The list has value for discussing these topics, so we should keep that. > > I think we can declare victory and thank those who made it happen. > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github > --000000000000bfbd3005a3c13587 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A= gree with Mr Thompson.=C2=A0

Eventually the git draft will become a BCP but that= can happen in genarea

tim

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 7:21 PM Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l= eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, at 0= 0:53, Christopher Wood wrote:
> With both draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration and
> draft-ietf-git-using-github in the RFC editor queue, it's time the= WG
> consider whether we should close or re-charter for additional work. If=
> anyone has work items from our charter they'd like brought to the = WG,
> we (chairs) ask that you raise them now.

We might need to revise the documents again some time in future, but we don= 't need a live working group for that.

The list has value for discussing these topics, so we should keep that.

I think we can declare victory and thank those who made it happen.

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X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 00:18:20 -0000 We still have the HTTP/2 spec open. We do get occasional queries, thoug= h less than 1 per year. I don't think that there is any obligation to do anything, but I would s= ay that archival is a good choice for something like ACME if the support= requests are becoming a burden. As to whether we need to say anything, let's put that in the repo for v2= . On Wed, Apr 22, 2020, at 08:58, Salz, Rich wrote: > Resending with fixed mailing address. >=20 >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn 4/21/20, 6:28 PM, "Jacob Hoffman-Andrews" wrote: >=20 > The motivating event is that we recently had an issue filed on the= > repo that was more of a support request for an ACME implementer. I= n > the long run, an unused repo can attract such requests, as well as= > spam, and comments that are better directed towards the WG mailing= > list. >=20 > On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 3:16 PM Salz, Rich wrot= e: > > > > This came up in ACME, where someone suggested we archive the mai= n=20 > ACME repo. 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X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 01:53:33 -0000 --0000000000004faaf505a3eb835a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I was looking at https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-git-using-github-06#section-4.1.1, and thought that I remembered someone from one of the larger IETF github communities saying that they had relied heavily on labels, but had found that Github projects were a better way to organize work than labels. Does anyone else remember someone expressing that opinion? Best, Spencer --0000000000004faaf505a3eb835a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was looking at=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/htm= l/draft-ietf-git-using-github-06#section-4.1.1, and thought that I reme= mbered someone from one of the larger IETF github communities saying that t= hey had relied heavily on labels, but had found that Github projects were a= better way to organize work than labels.=C2=A0

Does any= one else remember someone expressing that opinion?

Best,

Spencer
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X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:03:42 -0000 On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, at 11:52, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote: > I was looking at > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-git-using-github-06#section-4.1.1, and thought that I remembered someone from one of the larger IETF github communities saying that they had relied heavily on labels, but had found that Github projects were a better way to organize work than labels. > > Does anyone else remember someone expressing that opinion? I've said as much. In QUIC we've found that for some things, a project board has been better. I don't quite know how to classify that, but perhaps that is something like "labels are for everyone, project board is for insiders". The location of an issue on the project board is not very visible, but it is useful for tracking state that only insiders need to have. 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X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 17:23:39 -0000 It's also possible to use both in combination -- there are automations that= can move an issue around the project board based on its labels. (And poss= ibly also relabel it if it's moved on the project board?) -----Original Message----- From: Ietf-and-github On Behalf Of Marti= n Thomson Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 4:03 AM To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Projects (and labels?) On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, at 11:52, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote: > I was looking at=20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-git-using-github-06#section-4.1.1,= and thought that I remembered someone from one of the larger IETF github c= ommunities saying that they had relied heavily on labels, but had found tha= t Github projects were a better way to organize work than labels.=20 >=20 > Does anyone else remember someone expressing that opinion? I've said as much. In QUIC we've found that for some things, a project boa= rd has been better. I don't quite know how to classify that, but perhaps t= hat is something like "labels are for everyone, project board is for inside= rs". The location of an issue on the project board is not very visible, bu= t it is useful for tracking state that only insiders need to have. _______________________________________________ Ietf-and-github mailing list Ietf-and-github@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github From nobody Thu Apr 23 11:30:52 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B743A0E4F for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 11:30:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=heapingbits.net header.b=KpwMsyDB; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=ocrfnR3z Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZVH5LYhjGbLl for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 11:30:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wout2-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout2-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E28983A0E4D for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 11:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4631A66D for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 14:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap7 ([10.202.2.57]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 23 Apr 2020 14:30:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heapingbits.net; h=mime-version:message-id:in-reply-to:references:date:from:to :subject:content-type; s=fm1; bh=HGrMiR2XEpyRGmu3pdhWTlkksUYU4cf I7BL7/xiHhwA=; b=KpwMsyDB82bRI1txl4BXy3XYwRwda2FuDAO9crGwDyF1GQm Es22BsNM7pVoMu6ibkF6lBacj6rwLghnM9y8uVQyMAKyJY8N8K8wCA2E7C8Gj+cC XGcJ4vrWjvyr4cFyvRlxoEcuOd6JTkU+4CdNn0dxPoDAk4ro5Hxm10SSu8NswVMN wnvQyZLZgbTrJg0r5H9mdkBpWyePZkn4RciGmpBLGh9PxXTCaBuHOEPAwvPcRFFn C6aXQ1Wj7x+3BG1gnS1xO4W1E1IckiqAEfmb3gY++tipLo47kK/XtEkeb9twFkk0 jAteanAqZmudpFy+JbIrgdNnOpbmSoyo+0zKoZQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=HGrMiR 2XEpyRGmu3pdhWTlkksUYU4cfI7BL7/xiHhwA=; b=ocrfnR3zRjfc0Vh1Kh9Lpc vytoSmaaDkS6K3eZtA3W261bPF+fnxZujeeWMww+MnxHvcXN101dUVcxeemtBd+N DdjijT/gH5NnTShpk1W0XzaE9qsCxca/ZOIxjntmeUAYR+H2b9bAw70yb10lc+tN nwdHkcB24hyT9ZckWQqoWzTzJuMc9mRkEL7gIysrSznCKIVJUQ9q98IaV9QIL0yM UxFd4tB2chRXUgn/DKNQDfhwSwr501gkA6xeeK2yLdbLYTxchYLaFQkjnj491cwu SFmXIIr1T4d8DbAw7bD5ButqHy24nveTcW5zNY8SjYmNGqYy1bs7l0GkxnM81GkA == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduhedrgeelgdelhecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepofgfggfkjghffffhvffutgesthdtre dtreertdenucfhrhhomhepfdevhhhrihhsthhophhhvghrucghohhougdfuceotggrfies hhgvrghpihhnghgsihhtshdrnhgvtheqnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrg hrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomheptggrfieshhgvrghpihhnghgsihhtshdrnhgvth X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 40EF6180091; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 14:30:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.3.0-dev0-351-g9981f4f-fmstable-20200421v1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <01d587fb-5861-4e94-8e8e-21e07bf90592@www.fastmail.com> <6c612f28-badb-42b1-ae19-727d1c9652d9@www.fastmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 11:30:26 -0700 From: "Christopher Wood" To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Any additional work items? X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 18:30:51 -0000 On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, at 4:24 PM, Tim Wicinski wrote: > > Agree with Mr Thompson. > > Eventually the git draft will become a BCP but that can happen in genarea > > tim > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 7:21 PM Martin Thomson wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, at 00:53, Christopher Wood wrote: > > > With both draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration and > > > draft-ietf-git-using-github in the RFC editor queue, it's time the WG > > > consider whether we should close or re-charter for additional work. If > > > anyone has work items from our charter they'd like brought to the WG, > > > we (chairs) ask that you raise them now. > > > > We might need to revise the documents again some time in future, but we don't need a live working group for that. > > > > The list has value for discussing these topics, so we should keep that. > > > > I think we can declare victory and thank those who made it happen. As a chair and individual, I'd like to second this comment and thank all those who helped us get across the finish line. Well done, all! 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X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 19:21:09 -0000 --0000000000005b6afe05a3fa2634 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Mike and Martin, On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 12:23 PM Mike Bishop wrote: > It's also possible to use both in combination -- there are automations > that can move an issue around the project board based on its labels. (And > possibly also relabel it if it's moved on the project board?) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ietf-and-github On Behalf Of > Martin Thomson > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 4:03 AM > To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Projects (and labels?) > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, at 11:52, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote: > > I was looking at > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-git-using-github-06#section-4.1.1, > and thought that I remembered someone from one of the larger IETF github > communities saying that they had relied heavily on labels, but had found > that Github projects were a better way to organize work than labels. > > > > Does anyone else remember someone expressing that opinion? > > I've said as much. In QUIC we've found that for some things, a project > board has been better. I don't quite know how to classify that, but > perhaps that is something like "labels are for everyone, project board is > for insiders". The location of an issue on the project board is not very > visible, but it is useful for tracking state that only insiders need to > have. > Thanks for the clues. I'm thinking the largest repository I'm responsible for is an order of magnitude smaller than QUIC (based on issue numbers and PR numbers), so I think I can stick with labels for now, while people are still gathering experience with projects and the combination with labels. Best, Spencer --0000000000005b6afe05a3fa2634 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mike and Martin,=C2=A0

On Thu, Apr 23, 202= 0 at 12:23 PM Mike Bishop <mbish= op@evequefou.be> wrote:
It's also possible to use both in combination -- there a= re automations that can move an issue around the project board based on its= labels.=C2=A0 (And possibly also relabel it if it's moved on the proje= ct board?)

-----Original Message-----
From: Ietf-and-github <ietf-and-github-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of = Martin Thomson
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 4:03 AM
To: ietf-and-= github@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Projects (and labels?)

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, at 11:52, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote:
> I was looking at
> https://tools.ietf.org/= html/draft-ietf-git-using-github-06#section-4.1.1, and thought that I r= emembered someone from one of the larger IETF github communities saying tha= t they had relied heavily on labels, but had found that Github projects wer= e a better way to organize work than labels.
>
> Does anyone else remember someone expressing that opinion?

I've said as much.=C2=A0 In QUIC we've found that for some things, = a project board has been better.=C2=A0 I don't quite know how to classi= fy that, but perhaps that is something like "labels are for everyone, = project board is for insiders".=C2=A0 The location of an issue on the = project board is not very visible, but it is useful for tracking state that= only insiders need to have.

Thanks for= the clues. I'm thinking the largest repository I'm responsible for= is an order of magnitude smaller than QUIC (based on issue numbers and PR = numbers), so I think I can stick with labels for now, while people are stil= l gathering experience with projects and the combination with labels.
=

Best,

Spencer=C2=A0
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