From nobody Fri Aug 5 15:21:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: internetgovtech@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: internetgovtech@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755CD12D516; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 15:21:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.347 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.347 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.247] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=opendkim.org header.b=d/RUkhNC; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=elandsys.com header.b=Jl/gHycW Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kxL8gqYXztO8; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 15:21:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512B312D1AE; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 15:21:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([197.226.54.237]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u75Lti6d024083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 5 Aug 2016 14:56:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1470434186; x=1470520586; bh=VwxxuPrZmSb3RszRvBtdjX3+SCGnk3CT+8/pGiNAfTc=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=d/RUkhNCF/NbKfXitj58bm9qMJtku0x/ESYRKQ+VrIVT+M25S8QiFkCKQW1xWk25i +oPfSJFmPEmU86TK+SiI1Q92oYkf0qcgh63ZIUmjXIVTLTnn/hLqKfRtOH55w0qGS7 vyOdWoI9X5r9u8lwcDTnAqzXPTUn47wh/gOoTI+o= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1470434186; x=1470520586; i=@elandsys.com; bh=VwxxuPrZmSb3RszRvBtdjX3+SCGnk3CT+8/pGiNAfTc=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=Jl/gHycW/KxZZJ0q8KXOqgUpONYUhiS9yXEQmD/tABDpDzMR/4Dcv+GzxYqvj3upr uM928Urx5AgMRq5xBt4Nug4eyHNwZXYwA4iiRM+vKULKc6jQVE6P0BfzYi9/vravAk LmdzApqGKTzNowQosKBWhmQ75U4dIAb3Junt2XAQ= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20160805143943.0bdf2838@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2016 14:55:16 -0700 To: iab@iab.org From: S Moonesamy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Archived-At: Cc: internetgovtech@iab.org Subject: [Internetgovtech] Global Cybersecurity Index reference model X-BeenThere: internetgovtech@iab.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Governance and IETF technical work List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2016 22:21:51 -0000 Hello, I was reading about the Global Cybersecurity Index reference model [1] and I noticed the following in Section 2.4: "These standards include, but are not limited to, those developed by the following agencies: ISO, ITU, IETF, IEEE, ATIS, OASIS, 3GPP, 3GPP2, IAB, ISOC, ISG, ISI, ETSI, ISF, RFC, ISA, IEC, NERC, NIST, FIPS, PCI DSS, etc." From what I have read at https://www.iab.org/about/iab-overview/ I understand that the IAB does not publish standards. Is that still the case in relation to ITU-D? Regards, S. Moonesamy 1. http://www.itu.int/en/ITU-D/Cybersecurity/Documents/Reference%20Model_GCI-2016.pdf From nobody Fri Aug 5 17:32:20 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: internetgovtech@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: internetgovtech@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B9312D18B for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 17:32:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.347 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.347 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.247] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=opendkim.org header.b=xkejdKpt; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=elandsys.com header.b=K7Bqutot Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ise2JE_tfbl3 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 17:31:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A81812D7AD for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 17:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([197.226.54.237]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u75Nltkl019611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 5 Aug 2016 16:48:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1470440887; x=1470527287; bh=gv9wYPhdyoUqs3hriLCDcXVDHb864WdfM+526PsvEzg=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=xkejdKptDUwB5puctgFeLq5AXJiFlAYkHn00QuNctcbpoCwwpiBs6ZNQsDFuHcWOI trdzZqOz+HTyRnwzJEIsQE4lYXb9L1uoOJUCCFA/b7GZ4RA0KxbdQndRj/PM9BdDHM hahSscHh3xzMjlzxKfTw+dNCI+KTbdxmIAuBP0Tc= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1470440887; x=1470527287; i=@elandsys.com; bh=gv9wYPhdyoUqs3hriLCDcXVDHb864WdfM+526PsvEzg=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=K7BqutotK6lM7+nK8hX6UFXjsconPooDyeU3encGqmjJWpGHiWOo86QYtoZAXfK5m q2bZMNkzsDo3ogg8B3ZI95Um/NwZ+RVNfywGs9+5jpdaSub7LB6Srq8GrKqqg52lDQ +w1gV1JNUD7brNsiOUTfnSJQDgPT71d+46cptFsM= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20160805164655.0da510a8@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2016 16:47:48 -0700 To: joel jaeggli From: S Moonesamy In-Reply-To: <630f2e89-e4b1-f371-e02b-1174665d621f@bogus.com> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20160805143943.0bdf2838@elandnews.com> <630f2e89-e4b1-f371-e02b-1174665d621f@bogus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Archived-At: Cc: internetgovtech@iab.org Subject: Re: [Internetgovtech] Global Cybersecurity Index reference model X-BeenThere: internetgovtech@iab.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Governance and IETF technical work List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 00:32:08 -0000 Hi Joel, At 16:08 05-08-2016, joel jaeggli wrote: >The IAB stream contains Informational and BCP documents. > >https://datatracker.ietf.org/stream/iab/ > >from 4845 Thanks. I forgot about that RFC. Regards, S. Moonesamy From nobody Fri Aug 5 17:34:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: internetgovtech@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: internetgovtech@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D79812D1A9; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 17:33:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.247 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.247 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.247] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OSra_1eveFsh; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 17:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DB8912D0A6; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 17:31:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mb-2.local ([IPv6:2601:647:4201:9e61:2960:904c:cb6f:a670]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id u75N8W7V003974 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 5 Aug 2016 23:08:33 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) X-Authentication-Warning: nagasaki.bogus.com: Host [IPv6:2601:647:4201:9e61:2960:904c:cb6f:a670] claimed to be mb-2.local To: S Moonesamy , iab@iab.org References: <6.2.5.6.2.20160805143943.0bdf2838@elandnews.com> From: joel jaeggli Message-ID: <630f2e89-e4b1-f371-e02b-1174665d621f@bogus.com> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 16:08:31 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:47.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/47.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20160805143943.0bdf2838@elandnews.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="1OftikuaJ4L9hEVb4SKAjWf356t7JXfVj" Archived-At: Cc: internetgovtech@iab.org Subject: Re: [Internetgovtech] Global Cybersecurity Index reference model X-BeenThere: internetgovtech@iab.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Governance and IETF technical work List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 00:33:50 -0000 X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 00:33:50 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --1OftikuaJ4L9hEVb4SKAjWf356t7JXfVj Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="dJ5bU97aPhX8MLhE3hNlcMJO7whS4JX1X" From: joel jaeggli To: S Moonesamy , iab@iab.org Cc: internetgovtech@iab.org Message-ID: <630f2e89-e4b1-f371-e02b-1174665d621f@bogus.com> Subject: Re: [Internetgovtech] Global Cybersecurity Index reference model References: <6.2.5.6.2.20160805143943.0bdf2838@elandnews.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20160805143943.0bdf2838@elandnews.com> --dJ5bU97aPhX8MLhE3hNlcMJO7whS4JX1X Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 8/5/16 2:55 PM, S Moonesamy wrote: > Hello, >=20 > I was reading about the Global Cybersecurity Index reference model [1] > and I noticed the following in Section 2.4: >=20 > "These standards include, but are not limited to, those developed by = the > following agencies: ISO, ITU, IETF, IEEE, ATIS, OASIS, 3GPP, 3GPP2, = IAB, > ISOC, ISG, ISI, ETSI, ISF, RFC, ISA, IEC, NERC, NIST, FIPS, PCI DSS,= > etc." >=20 > From what I have read at https://www.iab.org/about/iab-overview/ I > understand that the IAB does not publish standards. Is that still the > case in relation to ITU-D? The IAB stream contains Informational and BCP documents. https://datatracker.ietf.org/stream/iab/ from 4845 The majority of documents published by the IAB will be classified as Informational RFCs (see [RFC2026]). Generally speaking, the IAB does not publish Standards-Track or Experimental RFCs. If the IAB has cause to publish a document as a Best Current Practice (BCP), it would fall under the approval process of the IETF standards stream of RFCs (see [RFC4844]). https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4845 IETF Standards Track or BCP documents the IAB wishes to publish are subject to the IETF stream process. > Regards, > S. 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(Although if you go back far enough, RFC 791 says "This document specifies the DoD Standard Internet Protocol." In 1981, neither the IAB nor the IETF existed.) Regards Brian Carpenter (Don't blame me, I voted Remain.) On 06/08/2016 11:08, joel jaeggli wrote: > On 8/5/16 2:55 PM, S Moonesamy wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I was reading about the Global Cybersecurity Index reference model [1] >> and I noticed the following in Section 2.4: >> >> "These standards include, but are not limited to, those developed by the >> following agencies: ISO, ITU, IETF, IEEE, ATIS, OASIS, 3GPP, 3GPP2, IAB, >> ISOC, ISG, ISI, ETSI, ISF, RFC, ISA, IEC, NERC, NIST, FIPS, PCI DSS, >> etc." >> >> From what I have read at https://www.iab.org/about/iab-overview/ I >> understand that the IAB does not publish standards. Is that still the >> case in relation to ITU-D? > > The IAB stream contains Informational and BCP documents. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/stream/iab/ > > from 4845 > > The majority of documents published by the IAB will be classified as > Informational RFCs (see [RFC2026]). Generally speaking, the IAB does > not publish Standards-Track or Experimental RFCs. If the IAB has > cause to publish a document as a Best Current Practice (BCP), it > would fall under the approval process of the IETF standards stream of > RFCs (see [RFC4844]). > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4845 > > IETF Standards Track or BCP documents the IAB wishes to publish are > subject to the IETF stream process. > > >> Regards, >> S. Moonesamy >> >> 1. >> http://www.itu.int/en/ITU-D/Cybersecurity/Documents/Reference%20Model_GCI-2016.pdf >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Internetgovtech mailing list >> Internetgovtech@iab.org >> https://www.iab.org/mailman/listinfo/internetgovtech >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Internetgovtech mailing list > Internetgovtech@iab.org > https://www.iab.org/mailman/listinfo/internetgovtech >