From pwg-announce-owner@pwg.org Tue Aug 01 16:50:01 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G81Bh-0006t1-O5; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:50:01 -0400 Received: from www.pwg.org ([192.146.101.49] helo=pwg.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G81Bd-0005Qe-Da; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:50:01 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k71KnsXK025147; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:49:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with SMTP id k71KnsDw025144; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:49:54 -0400 Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:47:41 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k71KlbD0024736 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:47:39 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k71Klbgt024733 for pwg-announce-out; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:47:37 -0400 Message-ID: <789E617C880666438EDEE30C2A3E8D10EE9B@mailsrvnt05.enet.sharplabs.com> From: "McDonald, Ira" To: "'pwg-announce@pwg.org'" Subject: PWG-ANNOUNCE> FW: [Printing-summit] OSDL Desktop Printing Summit --> FSG OpenPr inting Summit: Internet facilities have moved Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:47:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 41c17b4b16d1eedaa8395c26e9a251c4 Hi, For PWG Steering Committee members and anyone else interested in the open Printing Summit series, the note below explains a change of sponsors (OSDL --> FSG) and mailing lists. Cheers, - Ira (for FSG Open Printing Steering Committee) Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -----Original Message----- From: printing-summit-bounces@lists.freestandards.org [mailto:printing-summit-bounces@lists.freestandards.org]On Behalf Of Till Kamppeter Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 3:28 PM To: printing-summit@lists.freestandards.org Subject: [Printing-summit] OSDL Desktop Printing Summit --> FSG OpenPrinting Summit: Internet facilities have moved Hi, as I am now working for FSG the organization of the Printing Summit which will take place in Lexington in October has moved from OSDL to FSG. Therefore also also the organization facilities on the internet have moved. The Wiki page is now available here: http://www.freestandards.org/en/OpenPrinting/SummitLexington it is MediaWiki again, so you do not need to learn any new markup if you have already edited the old Wiki page. Please click the link in the upper-right corner to register for FSG's Wiki. The mailing list with all subscribers and the full archives has moved to http://lists.freestandards.org/mailman/listinfo/printing-summit and you should have gotten the welcome mail for your subscription. It contains your initial password (you can change it) and instructions to configure your account. Post to the address printing-summit@lists.freestandards.org Only subscribers are allowed to post (to avoid spam), but as you have gotten this posting you are subscribed. Everyone who was subscribed on the OSDL desktop_printing mailing list is now subscribed on this list, so you can continue the discussions from the old list here, but remember to change the address in the "To:" header to the new list's one. Till _______________________________________________ Printing-summit mailing list Printing-summit@lists.freestandards.org http://lists.freestandards.org/mailman/listinfo/printing-summit -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/404 - Release Date: 7/31/2006 From ipp-owner@pwg.org Wed Aug 02 11:55:04 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8J3o-0000jJ-3S for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:55:04 -0400 Received: from www.pwg.org ([192.146.101.49] helo=pwg.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8J3l-0003fM-Nu for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:55:04 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k72FsxVP030082 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:55:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with SMTP id k72Fsxbc030079 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:54:59 -0400 Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:53:59 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k72FrnJY029876 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:53:51 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k72FrnWc029873 for ipp-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:53:49 -0400 Received: from mail2.sharplabs.com (mail2.sharplabs.com [216.65.151.51]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k72Frl2v029869 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:53:49 -0400 Received: from admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com (admsrvnt02 [172.29.225.253]) by mail2.sharplabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6B01E155C for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 08:53:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 08:53:46 -0700 Message-ID: <789E617C880666438EDEE30C2A3E8D10EEA2@mailsrvnt05.enet.sharplabs.com> From: "McDonald, Ira" To: "'ipp@pwg.org'" Subject: IPP> PSX> Reminder Thu 3 Aug 11am EDT - Next IPP WG teleconference Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 08:53:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-ipp@pwg.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ipp@pwg.org [mailto:owner-ipp@pwg.org]On Behalf > Of McDonald, > Ira > Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 8:07 PM > To: 'ipp@pwg.org' > Subject: IPP> PSX> Reminder Thu 3 Aug 11am EDT - Next IPP WG > teleconference > > > Hi folks, > > Reminder of our scheduled IPP WG teleconference this week: > > Thursday 8 August 11am EDT / 8am PDT > Call-in: 1-866-365-4406 > Passcode: 2635888# > > The topics will be continued discussion of various options > for encoding 'prtAlertTable' objects into IPP attributes > (see my immediately preceding mail note today) and review > of the first draft spec at: > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippstate10-20060717.htm > > Cheers, > - Ira (co-editor of PWG IPP Printer State Reasons Extensions) > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 > phone: +1-906-494-2434 > email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/403 - Release > Date: 7/28/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/405 - Release Date: 8/1/2006 From ipp-owner@pwg.org Thu Aug 03 12:33:09 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8g8D-0004ws-K8 for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:33:09 -0400 Received: from pwg.org ([192.146.101.49]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8g8B-0000Yp-Pc for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:33:09 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k73GX40G007292 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 12:33:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with SMTP id k73GX4HN007287 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 12:33:04 -0400 Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 3 Aug 2006 12:31:47 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k73GVcMY007036 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 12:31:40 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k73GVcin007033 for ipp-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 12:31:38 -0400 Received: from mail2.sharplabs.com (mail2.sharplabs.com [216.65.151.51]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k73GVY7u007029 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 12:31:36 -0400 Received: from admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com (admsrvnt02 [172.29.225.253]) by mail2.sharplabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9C81E15FF for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:31:33 -0700 Message-ID: <789E617C880666438EDEE30C2A3E8D104E51ED@mailsrvnt05.enet.sharplabs.com> From: "Whittle, Craig" To: "'ipp@pwg.org'" Subject: IPP> PSX> August 3, 2006 teleconference minutes posted Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:31:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6B71A.29303512" Sender: owner-ipp@pwg.org X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5237da2ba3dc4954da1f3fba1fba00ed This message is in MIME format. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6B71A.29303512-- From ipp-owner@pwg.org Fri Aug 04 00:42:14 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8rVm-0004UJ-Od for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:42:14 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8qy9-0003PG-5M for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:07:29 -0400 Received: from www.pwg.org ([192.146.101.49] helo=pwg.org) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8qeK-0004Mo-Dq for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 23:47:02 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k743knf7022569 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 23:46:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with SMTP id k743knmP022566 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 23:46:49 -0400 Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 3 Aug 2006 23:45:49 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k743jj2d022346 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 23:45:47 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k743jjdr022343 for ipp-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 23:45:45 -0400 Received: from mail2.sharplabs.com (mail2.sharplabs.com [216.65.151.51]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k743jg0H022339 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 23:45:45 -0400 Received: from admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com (admsrvnt02 [172.29.225.253]) by mail2.sharplabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79FF61E15A7 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 20:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 20:45:42 -0700 Message-ID: <789E617C880666438EDEE30C2A3E8D10EEA7@mailsrvnt05.enet.sharplabs.com> From: "McDonald, Ira" To: "'ipp@pwg.org'" Subject: IPP> PSX - Next IPP WG telecon Thursday 17 August Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 20:45:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-ipp@pwg.org X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Hi, Reminder of next scheduled IPP WG telecon. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/407 - Release Date: 8/3/2006 From pwg-announce-owner@pwg.org Wed Aug 09 14:03:17 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAsOj-0008NH-Co; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 14:03:17 -0400 Received: from pwg.org ([192.146.101.49]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAsOh-0000M7-1L; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 14:03:17 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k79I3Cei011936; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:03:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with SMTP id k79I3BHR011933; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:03:12 -0400 Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:00:53 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k79I0n7e011521 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:00:51 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k79I0nh0011518 for pwg-announce-out; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:00:49 -0400 To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Subject: PWG-ANNOUNCE> PWG Steering Committee call minutes for August 3, 2006 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.12 February 13, 2003 Message-ID: From: thrasher@lexmark.com Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:56:43 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on smtp5b/Lex/Lexmark(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 08/09/2006 13:59:41, Serialize complete at 08/09/2006 13:59:41 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0062926F852571C5_=" Sender: owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0062926F852571C5_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/PWG_SC_call_minutes_20060803.pdf --=_alternative 0062926F852571C5_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
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--=_alternative 0062926F852571C5_=-- From ipp-owner@pwg.org Mon Aug 14 23:00:59 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCpAp-0008UE-HD for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:00:59 -0400 Received: from pwg.org ([192.146.101.49]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCpAn-00038F-4R for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:00:59 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7F30srV010052 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:00:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with SMTP id k7F30svD010049 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:00:54 -0400 Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:59:39 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7F2xUC5009846 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:59:32 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k7F2xUgo009843 for ipp-outgoing; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:59:30 -0400 Received: from mail2.sharplabs.com (mail2.sharplabs.com [216.65.151.51]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7F2xRbf009838 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:59:30 -0400 Received: from admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com (admsrvnt02 [172.29.225.253]) by mail2.sharplabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E521E149D for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:59:23 -0700 Message-ID: <789E617C880666438EDEE30C2A3E8D10EEC0@mailsrvnt05.enet.sharplabs.com> From: "McDonald, Ira" To: "'ipp@pwg.org'" Subject: IPP> Revised PSX Problem Statement and Design Alternatives Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:59:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-ipp@pwg.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 03169bfe4792634a390035a01a6c6d2f Hi folks, Monday (14 August 2006) Per my action item from the last IPP WG telecon, below is a revised problem statement for IPP Printer State Reasons (PSX) project and a short summary of our design alternatives. Action - All - Please forward this note to your company's BMLinkS representative for their feedback. The IPP PSX project developed from a need first identified by the BMLinkS standards project in Japan. Cheers, - Ira (co-editor of IPP PSX spec) Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ REQUEST FOR COMMENTS The IEEE-ISTO PWG requests comments from BMLinkS consortium members on the design alternatives summarized below. The PWG IPP Working Group is at an effective standstill on the IPP Printer State Reasons Extensions project until a concensus on the design alternatives is reached. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PROBLEM STATEMENT When deploying printers in enterprise networks, customers often disable SNMPv1 (RFC 1157), based on local security policy - and secure SNMPv3 (RFC 3414) is not widely supported by current printers. Therefore, alternative support for secure queries for printer device alerts is required to manage, provision, and service these non-SNMP network printers. IPP/1.1 (RFC 2911) can be securely deployed in enterprise networks, using TLS/1.0 (RFC 2246) and HTTP/1.1 Upgrade (RFC 2817), so an IPP solution to this requirement is attractive. The IPP "printer-state-reasons" attribute was defined in IPP/1.1 (RFC 2911), but the mapping of printer device alerts from the 'prtAlertCode' object defined in Printer MIB v1/v2 (RFC 1759/3805) was very sparse. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ DESIGN BACKGROUND The draft IPP PSX spec overloaded the "printer-state-message (text)" attribute for Printer MIB alert encoding. But Michael Sweet (CUPS) has objected that storing non-localized data in "printer-state-message" is non-conformant and Ted Tronson (Novell) has concurred, so the IPP PSX spec _must_ define one or more _new_ IPP Printer attributes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ DESIGN ALTERNATIVES All missing values from the 'PrtAlertCodeTC' enumeration will be added to IPP "printer-state-reasons" attribute - there is IPP WG unanimous concensus on this decision. But the Printer MIB v2 "generic alerts" (e.g., 'subunitAlmostEmpty') are meaningless without more information from 'prtAlertTable' for context. The design alternatives of a new IPP 'collection' attribute or a new first-class IPP 'object' have already been rejected by the IPP WG. Note: The IPP WG strongly prefers hybrid choice (3) described below. (1) Structured string encoding in one new IPP attribute Syntax: "printer-alert (1setOf octetString(MAX))" Example: printer-alert[1] = alert-code=jam;alert-index=22;alert-severity=critical; alert-group=mediaPath;alert-group-index=4;alert-location=6 Pros: P1a Avoids cross-registration between IANA Printer MIB enumerations and IANA IPP Registry. P1b Allows safe vendor extensions (with different keywords). P1c Easy to specify in rigorous ABNF. Cons: C1a Cannot support encoding of 'prtAlertDescription' (localized string, not keywords). (2) IPP-centric encoding in a complete set of new IPP atributes Syntax: "printer-alert-code (1setOf keyword)" "printer-alert-index (1setOf integer)" "printer-alert-severity (1setOf keyword)" "printer-alert-training (1setOf keyword)" "printer-alert-group (1setOf keyword)" "printer-alert-group-index (1setOf integer)" "printer-alert-location (1setOf integer)" "printer-alert-time (1setOf integer)" "printer-alert-description (1setOf text(MAX))" Example: printer-alert-code[1] = jam printer-alert-index[1] = 22 printer-alert-severity[1] = critical printer-alert-group[1] = media-path -- keyword transformed printer-alert-group-index[1] = 4 printer-alert-location[1] = 6 printer-alert-description[1] = Jam in duplex printing media path Pros: P2a Supports encoding of 'prtAlertDescription' (localized string, not keywords). Cons: C2a Forces cross-registration between IANA Printer MIB enumerations and IANA IPP Registry. C2b Forces non-identity transforms of IANA Printer MIB enumerations into IANA IPP Registry keywords (due to limited keyword syntax). C2c Large set of parallel ordered attributes is fragile for generic IPP parsers. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ (3) Hybrid - Structured encoding plus a parallel description attribute Syntax: "printer-alert (1setOf octetString(MAX))" "printer-alert-description (1setOf text(MAX))" Example: printer-alert[1] = alert-code=jam;alert-index=22;alert-severity=critical; alert-group=mediaPath;alert-group-index=4;alert-location=6 printer-alert-description[1] = Jam in duplex printing media path Pros: P3a See P1a, P1b, and P1c above. P3b See P2a above. P3c Avoids large set of parallel ordered attributes that would be fragile for generic IPP parsers. Cons: None identified to date. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.10/418 - Release Date: 8/14/2006 From ipp-owner@pwg.org Tue Aug 15 17:25:32 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GD6Pk-0006Ts-OH for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:25:32 -0400 Received: from www.pwg.org ([192.146.101.49] helo=pwg.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GD6Pi-0002ph-8o for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:25:32 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7FLPL2l018274 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:25:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with SMTP id k7FLPLdK018271 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:25:21 -0400 Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:24:15 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7FLO6gK017920 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:24:08 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k7FLO6rJ017917 for ipp-outgoing; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:24:06 -0400 Received: from mail2.sharplabs.com (mail2.sharplabs.com [216.65.151.51]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7FLO3aO017906 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:24:05 -0400 Received: from admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com (admsrvnt02 [172.29.225.253]) by mail2.sharplabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6291E15A8 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:24:03 -0700 Message-ID: <789E617C880666438EDEE30C2A3E8D104E5271@mailsrvnt05.enet.sharplabs.com> From: "Whittle, Craig" To: "'ipp@pwg.org'" Subject: RE: IPP> Revised PSX Problem Statement and Design Alternatives Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:24:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ipp@pwg.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0e9ebc0cbd700a87c0637ad0e2c91610 All: Please recall from our last teleconference call that PWG members with interest in BMLinkS would "e-mail to their respective company representatives in the BMLinkS community for feedback" on the approaches Ira has listed below. I am on vacation later this week and all of next week. Our next teleconference is tentatively scheduled for 8/31--please try and get feedback before then. Best regards, **CW -----Original Message----- From: owner-ipp@pwg.org [mailto:owner-ipp@pwg.org] On Behalf Of McDonald, Ira Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:59 PM To: 'ipp@pwg.org' Subject: IPP> Revised PSX Problem Statement and Design Alternatives Hi folks, Monday (14 August 2006) Per my action item from the last IPP WG telecon, below is a revised problem statement for IPP Printer State Reasons (PSX) project and a short summary of our design alternatives. Action - All - Please forward this note to your company's BMLinkS representative for their feedback. The IPP PSX project developed from a need first identified by the BMLinkS standards project in Japan. Cheers, - Ira (co-editor of IPP PSX spec) Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ REQUEST FOR COMMENTS The IEEE-ISTO PWG requests comments from BMLinkS consortium members on the design alternatives summarized below. The PWG IPP Working Group is at an effective standstill on the IPP Printer State Reasons Extensions project until a concensus on the design alternatives is reached. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PROBLEM STATEMENT When deploying printers in enterprise networks, customers often disable SNMPv1 (RFC 1157), based on local security policy - and secure SNMPv3 (RFC 3414) is not widely supported by current printers. Therefore, alternative support for secure queries for printer device alerts is required to manage, provision, and service these non-SNMP network printers. IPP/1.1 (RFC 2911) can be securely deployed in enterprise networks, using TLS/1.0 (RFC 2246) and HTTP/1.1 Upgrade (RFC 2817), so an IPP solution to this requirement is attractive. The IPP "printer-state-reasons" attribute was defined in IPP/1.1 (RFC 2911), but the mapping of printer device alerts from the 'prtAlertCode' object defined in Printer MIB v1/v2 (RFC 1759/3805) was very sparse. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ DESIGN BACKGROUND The draft IPP PSX spec overloaded the "printer-state-message (text)" attribute for Printer MIB alert encoding. But Michael Sweet (CUPS) has objected that storing non-localized data in "printer-state-message" is non-conformant and Ted Tronson (Novell) has concurred, so the IPP PSX spec _must_ define one or more _new_ IPP Printer attributes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ DESIGN ALTERNATIVES All missing values from the 'PrtAlertCodeTC' enumeration will be added to IPP "printer-state-reasons" attribute - there is IPP WG unanimous concensus on this decision. But the Printer MIB v2 "generic alerts" (e.g., 'subunitAlmostEmpty') are meaningless without more information from 'prtAlertTable' for context. The design alternatives of a new IPP 'collection' attribute or a new first-class IPP 'object' have already been rejected by the IPP WG. Note: The IPP WG strongly prefers hybrid choice (3) described below. (1) Structured string encoding in one new IPP attribute Syntax: "printer-alert (1setOf octetString(MAX))" Example: printer-alert[1] = alert-code=jam;alert-index=22;alert-severity=critical; alert-group=mediaPath;alert-group-index=4;alert-location=6 Pros: P1a Avoids cross-registration between IANA Printer MIB enumerations and IANA IPP Registry. P1b Allows safe vendor extensions (with different keywords). P1c Easy to specify in rigorous ABNF. Cons: C1a Cannot support encoding of 'prtAlertDescription' (localized string, not keywords). (2) IPP-centric encoding in a complete set of new IPP atributes Syntax: "printer-alert-code (1setOf keyword)" "printer-alert-index (1setOf integer)" "printer-alert-severity (1setOf keyword)" "printer-alert-training (1setOf keyword)" "printer-alert-group (1setOf keyword)" "printer-alert-group-index (1setOf integer)" "printer-alert-location (1setOf integer)" "printer-alert-time (1setOf integer)" "printer-alert-description (1setOf text(MAX))" Example: printer-alert-code[1] = jam printer-alert-index[1] = 22 printer-alert-severity[1] = critical printer-alert-group[1] = media-path -- keyword transformed printer-alert-group-index[1] = 4 printer-alert-location[1] = 6 printer-alert-description[1] = Jam in duplex printing media path Pros: P2a Supports encoding of 'prtAlertDescription' (localized string, not keywords). Cons: C2a Forces cross-registration between IANA Printer MIB enumerations and IANA IPP Registry. C2b Forces non-identity transforms of IANA Printer MIB enumerations into IANA IPP Registry keywords (due to limited keyword syntax). C2c Large set of parallel ordered attributes is fragile for generic IPP parsers. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ (3) Hybrid - Structured encoding plus a parallel description attribute Syntax: "printer-alert (1setOf octetString(MAX))" "printer-alert-description (1setOf text(MAX))" Example: printer-alert[1] = alert-code=jam;alert-index=22;alert-severity=critical; alert-group=mediaPath;alert-group-index=4;alert-location=6 printer-alert-description[1] = Jam in duplex printing media path Pros: P3a See P1a, P1b, and P1c above. P3b See P2a above. P3c Avoids large set of parallel ordered attributes that would be fragile for generic IPP parsers. Cons: None identified to date. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.10/418 - Release Date: 8/14/2006 From ipp-owner@pwg.org Wed Aug 16 17:17:59 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDSlz-00027G-8C for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:17:59 -0400 Received: from www.pwg.org ([192.146.101.49] helo=pwg.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDSlv-0006ig-QD for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:17:59 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7GLHqfJ027573 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:17:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with SMTP id k7GLHqUt027570 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:17:52 -0400 Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:16:36 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7GLGQ6F027364 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:16:28 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k7GLGQ5d027361 for ipp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:16:26 -0400 Received: from CDAExchange.sc.rd.canon.com (scorpius.ca.canon.com [146.184.4.62]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7GLGNPc027355 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:16:26 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: IPP> PSX - Next IPP WG telecon Thursday 17 August Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:16:20 -0700 Message-ID: <02954887D466F24D9F3FC9F47466DEF00785D831@cdaexchange.sc.rd.canon.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: IPP> PSX - Next IPP WG telecon Thursday 17 August Thread-Index: Aca3eVIa/1zOKoYiTG+AK0xmcax/3gJ/3kLw From: "Farrell, Lee" To: Cc: "McDonald, Ira" X-Spam-Score: (0.224) AWL,BAYES_00 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pwg.org id k7GLGQPc027359 Sender: owner-ipp@pwg.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0a7aa2e6e558383d84476dc338324fab I just need to confirm this. Our Aug 3 Minutes say the next teleconference is Aug 17, as Ira states below. But Craig Whittle says (in the Aug 15 e-mail below) that our next teleconference is Aug 31. So which is it -- Aug 17 or 31? Lee -----Original Message----- From: owner-ipp@pwg.org [mailto:owner-ipp@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Whittle, Craig Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 2:24 PM To: 'ipp@pwg.org' Subject: RE: IPP> Revised PSX Problem Statement and Design Alternatives All: Please recall from our last teleconference call that PWG members with interest in BMLinkS would "e-mail to their respective company representatives in the BMLinkS community for feedback" on the approaches Ira has listed below. I am on vacation later this week and all of next week. Our next teleconference is tentatively scheduled for 8/31--please try and get feedback before then. Best regards, **CW -----Original Message----- From: owner-ipp@pwg.org [mailto:owner-ipp@pwg.org] On Behalf Of McDonald, Ira Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:46 PM To: 'ipp@pwg.org' Subject: IPP> PSX - Next IPP WG telecon Thursday 17 August Hi, Reminder of next scheduled IPP WG telecon. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/407 - Release Date: 8/3/2006 From ipp-owner@pwg.org Wed Aug 16 18:47:52 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDUAy-0008H2-Hw for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:47:52 -0400 Received: from pwg.org ([192.146.101.49]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDUAx-00031d-6P for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:47:52 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7GMlggv031653 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:47:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with SMTP id k7GMlgdl031650 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:47:42 -0400 Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:46:43 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7GMkd2I031449 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:46:41 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k7GMkdfE031446 for ipp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:46:39 -0400 Received: from mail2.sharplabs.com (mail2.sharplabs.com [216.65.151.51]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7GMkaxp031441 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:46:39 -0400 Received: from admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com (admsrvnt02 [172.29.225.253]) by mail2.sharplabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2921E1523; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:46:36 -0700 Message-ID: <789E617C880666438EDEE30C2A3E8D104E5288@mailsrvnt05.enet.sharplabs.com> From: "Whittle, Craig" To: ipp@pwg.org Cc: "'Farrell, Lee'" Subject: RE: IPP> PSX - Next IPP WG telecon Thursday 17 August Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:46:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ipp@pwg.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6cca30437e2d04f45110f2ff8dc1b1d5 All: I talked with Ira yesterday. Since he has just sent out his "Problem Statement and Design Alternatives" e-mail and many of our "BMLinkS representatives" are unavailable due to August vacations, we thought it best to announce the change to Aug 31. I hope this works for everyone. Best regards, **CW -----Original Message----- From: owner-ipp@pwg.org [mailto:owner-ipp@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Farrell, Lee Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 2:16 PM To: ipp@pwg.org Cc: McDonald, Ira Subject: RE: IPP> PSX - Next IPP WG telecon Thursday 17 August I just need to confirm this. Our Aug 3 Minutes say the next teleconference is Aug 17, as Ira states below. But Craig Whittle says (in the Aug 15 e-mail below) that our next teleconference is Aug 31. So which is it -- Aug 17 or 31? Lee -----Original Message----- From: owner-ipp@pwg.org [mailto:owner-ipp@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Whittle, Craig Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 2:24 PM To: 'ipp@pwg.org' Subject: RE: IPP> Revised PSX Problem Statement and Design Alternatives All: Please recall from our last teleconference call that PWG members with interest in BMLinkS would "e-mail to their respective company representatives in the BMLinkS community for feedback" on the approaches Ira has listed below. I am on vacation later this week and all of next week. Our next teleconference is tentatively scheduled for 8/31--please try and get feedback before then. Best regards, **CW -----Original Message----- From: owner-ipp@pwg.org [mailto:owner-ipp@pwg.org] On Behalf Of McDonald, Ira Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:46 PM To: 'ipp@pwg.org' Subject: IPP> PSX - Next IPP WG telecon Thursday 17 August Hi, Reminder of next scheduled IPP WG telecon. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/407 - Release Date: 8/3/2006 From ipp-owner@pwg.org Wed Aug 16 20:08:01 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDVQX-0006Fq-C7 for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:08:01 -0400 Received: from pwg.org ([192.146.101.49]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDVQQ-0001nC-Kl for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:08:01 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7H07nMF002904 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:07:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with SMTP id k7H07nMh002901 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:07:49 -0400 Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:06:43 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7H06dYJ002684 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:06:41 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k7H06cQ0002681 for ipp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:06:38 -0400 Received: from d00110976c103 (ds214-34.ipowerweb.com [66.235.214.34] (may be forged)) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7H06ZGb002675 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:06:38 -0400 Received: from TCSLAPTOP01 ([24.61.185.135] RDNS failed) by d00110976c103 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:06:09 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Paul Tykodi" To: Cc: "'McDonald, Ira'" Subject: RE: IPP> Revised PSX Problem Statement and Design Alternatives Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:06:27 -0400 Organization: Tykodi Consulting Services LLC Message-ID: <01b101c6c190$feb2f430$0649a8c0@TCSLAPTOP01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AcbAF45A8UaX8i3URYiTtxv72ETB/gBeLAUQ In-Reply-To: <789E617C880666438EDEE30C2A3E8D10EEC0@mailsrvnt05.enet.sharplabs.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2006 00:06:09.0718 (UTC) FILETIME=[F176BD60:01C6C190] Sender: owner-ipp@pwg.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bf422c85703d3d847fb014987125ac48 Dear Ira and IPP List, Microsoft Active Directory has the capability to publish certain information about printer capabilities. According to the following URL, it seems that under certain conditions SNMP is utilized to extract some of the information that will be stored in an Active Directory entry regarding a printer. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/235925/en-us Question: Do people believe that Ira's idea could be of potential benefit to Microsoft's Active Directory support for printers when SNMP is unavailable? Thanks. Best Regards, /Paul -- Paul Tykodi Principal Consultant TCS - Tykodi Consulting Services LLC Tel/Fax: 603-343-1820 Mobile: 603-866-0712 E-mail: ptykodi@tykodi.com WWW: http://www.tykodi.com > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ipp@pwg.org [mailto:owner-ipp@pwg.org] On Behalf Of McDonald, > Ira > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:59 PM > To: 'ipp@pwg.org' > Subject: IPP> Revised PSX Problem Statement and Design Alternatives > > Hi folks, Monday (14 August 2006) > > Per my action item from the last IPP WG telecon, below is a revised > problem statement for IPP Printer State Reasons (PSX) project and a > short summary of our design alternatives. > > Action - All - Please forward this note to your company's BMLinkS > representative for their feedback. The IPP PSX project developed from > a need first identified by the BMLinkS standards project in Japan. > > Cheers, > - Ira (co-editor of IPP PSX spec) > > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 > phone: +1-906-494-2434 > email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > REQUEST FOR COMMENTS > > The IEEE-ISTO PWG requests comments from BMLinkS consortium members on > the design alternatives summarized below. The PWG IPP Working Group is > at an effective standstill on the IPP Printer State Reasons Extensions > project until a concensus on the design alternatives is reached. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PROBLEM STATEMENT > > When deploying printers in enterprise networks, customers often disable > SNMPv1 (RFC 1157), based on local security policy - and secure SNMPv3 > (RFC 3414) is not widely supported by current printers. Therefore, > alternative support for secure queries for printer device alerts is > required to manage, provision, and service these non-SNMP network > printers. IPP/1.1 (RFC 2911) can be securely deployed in enterprise > networks, using TLS/1.0 (RFC 2246) and HTTP/1.1 Upgrade (RFC 2817), so > an IPP solution to this requirement is attractive. > > The IPP "printer-state-reasons" attribute was defined in IPP/1.1 (RFC > 2911), but the mapping of printer device alerts from the 'prtAlertCode' > object defined in Printer MIB v1/v2 (RFC 1759/3805) was very sparse. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > DESIGN BACKGROUND > > The draft IPP PSX spec overloaded the "printer-state-message (text)" > attribute for Printer MIB alert encoding. But Michael Sweet (CUPS) has > objected that storing non-localized data in "printer-state-message" is > non-conformant and Ted Tronson (Novell) has concurred, so the IPP PSX > spec _must_ define one or more _new_ IPP Printer attributes. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > DESIGN ALTERNATIVES > > All missing values from the 'PrtAlertCodeTC' enumeration will be added > to IPP "printer-state-reasons" attribute - there is IPP WG unanimous > concensus on this decision. > > But the Printer MIB v2 "generic alerts" (e.g., 'subunitAlmostEmpty') are > meaningless without more information from 'prtAlertTable' for context. > The design alternatives of a new IPP 'collection' attribute or a new > first-class IPP 'object' have already been rejected by the IPP WG. > > Note: The IPP WG strongly prefers hybrid choice (3) described below. > > (1) Structured string encoding in one new IPP attribute > > Syntax: > "printer-alert (1setOf octetString(MAX))" > > Example: > printer-alert[1] = > alert-code=jam;alert-index=22;alert-severity=critical; > alert-group=mediaPath;alert-group-index=4;alert-location=6 > > Pros: > P1a Avoids cross-registration between IANA Printer MIB enumerations > and IANA IPP Registry. > P1b Allows safe vendor extensions (with different keywords). > P1c Easy to specify in rigorous ABNF. > > Cons: > C1a Cannot support encoding of 'prtAlertDescription' (localized > string, not keywords). > > (2) IPP-centric encoding in a complete set of new IPP atributes > > Syntax: > "printer-alert-code (1setOf keyword)" > "printer-alert-index (1setOf integer)" > "printer-alert-severity (1setOf keyword)" > "printer-alert-training (1setOf keyword)" > "printer-alert-group (1setOf keyword)" > "printer-alert-group-index (1setOf integer)" > "printer-alert-location (1setOf integer)" > "printer-alert-time (1setOf integer)" > "printer-alert-description (1setOf text(MAX))" > > Example: > printer-alert-code[1] = jam > printer-alert-index[1] = 22 > printer-alert-severity[1] = critical > printer-alert-group[1] = media-path -- keyword transformed > printer-alert-group-index[1] = 4 > printer-alert-location[1] = 6 > printer-alert-description[1] = Jam in duplex printing media path > > Pros: > P2a Supports encoding of 'prtAlertDescription' (localized string, > not keywords). > > Cons: > C2a Forces cross-registration between IANA Printer MIB enumerations > and IANA IPP Registry. > C2b Forces non-identity transforms of IANA Printer MIB enumerations > into IANA IPP Registry keywords (due to limited keyword syntax). > C2c Large set of parallel ordered attributes is fragile for generic > IPP parsers. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > (3) Hybrid - Structured encoding plus a parallel description attribute > > Syntax: > "printer-alert (1setOf octetString(MAX))" > "printer-alert-description (1setOf text(MAX))" > > Example: > printer-alert[1] = > alert-code=jam;alert-index=22;alert-severity=critical; > alert-group=mediaPath;alert-group-index=4;alert-location=6 > printer-alert-description[1] = Jam in duplex printing media path > > Pros: > P3a See P1a, P1b, and P1c above. > P3b See P2a above. > P3c Avoids large set of parallel ordered attributes that would be > fragile for generic IPP parsers. > > Cons: > None identified to date. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.10/418 - Release Date: 8/14/2006 > From ipp-owner@pwg.org Wed Aug 16 22:54:44 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDY1r-0005iE-Vo for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:54:43 -0400 Received: from pwg.org ([192.146.101.49]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDY1p-0000DK-Ca for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:54:43 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7H2sc9L008500 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:54:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with SMTP id k7H2scEN008497 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:54:38 -0400 Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:53:30 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7H2rQex008277 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:53:28 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k7H2rQdP008274 for ipp-outgoing; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:53:26 -0400 Received: from e31.co.us.ibm.com (e31.co.us.ibm.com [32.97.110.149]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7H2rFNC008270 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:53:21 -0400 Received: from d03relay04.boulder.ibm.com (d03relay04.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.106]) by e31.co.us.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k7H2rFub024922 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:53:15 -0400 Received: from d03av01.boulder.ibm.com (d03av01.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.167]) by d03relay04.boulder.ibm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/NCO v8.1.1) with ESMTP id k7H2rFMV202914 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:53:15 -0600 Received: from d03av01.boulder.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d03av01.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k7H2rEag029375 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:53:15 -0600 Received: from d03nm132.boulder.ibm.com (d03nm132.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.172]) by d03av01.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k7H2rEq4029372; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:53:14 -0600 In-Reply-To: <789E617C880666438EDEE30C2A3E8D104E5288@mailsrvnt05.enet.sharplabs.com> To: "Whittle, Craig" Cc: ipp@pwg.org, "'Farrell, Lee'" Subject: RE: IPP> PSX - Next IPP WG telecon Thursday 17 August MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0 HF85 November 04, 2005 Message-ID: From: Harry Lewis Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:53:14 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D03NM132/03/M/IBM(Release 7.0.1HF343 | August 2, 2006) at 08/16/2006 20:53:14, Serialize complete at 08/16/2006 20:53:14 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 000FDAB5872571CD_=" Sender: owner-ipp@pwg.org X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 65bc4909d78e8b10349def623cf7a1d1 This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 000FDAB5872571CD_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I assume we're talking 8/31 at 2pm Eastern. Works for me. ---------------------------------------------- Harry Lewis IBM STSM Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group http://www.pwg.org IBM Printing Systems http://www.ibm.com/printers 303-924-5337 ---------------------------------------------- "Whittle, Craig" Sent by: owner-ipp@pwg.org 08/16/2006 04:46 PM To ipp@pwg.org cc "'Farrell, Lee'" Subject RE: IPP> PSX - Next IPP WG telecon Thursday 17 August All: I talked with Ira yesterday. Since he has just sent out his "Problem Statement and Design Alternatives" e-mail and many of our "BMLinkS representatives" are unavailable due to August vacations, we thought it best to announce the change to Aug 31. I hope this works for everyone. Best regards, **CW -----Original Message----- From: owner-ipp@pwg.org [mailto:owner-ipp@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Farrell, Lee Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 2:16 PM To: ipp@pwg.org Cc: McDonald, Ira Subject: RE: IPP> PSX - Next IPP WG telecon Thursday 17 August I just need to confirm this. Our Aug 3 Minutes say the next teleconference is Aug 17, as Ira states below. But Craig Whittle says (in the Aug 15 e-mail below) that our next teleconference is Aug 31. So which is it -- Aug 17 or 31? Lee -----Original Message----- From: owner-ipp@pwg.org [mailto:owner-ipp@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Whittle, Craig Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 2:24 PM To: 'ipp@pwg.org' Subject: RE: IPP> Revised PSX Problem Statement and Design Alternatives All: Please recall from our last teleconference call that PWG members with interest in BMLinkS would "e-mail to their respective company representatives in the BMLinkS community for feedback" on the approaches Ira has listed below. I am on vacation later this week and all of next week. Our next teleconference is tentatively scheduled for 8/31--please try and get feedback before then. Best regards, **CW -----Original Message----- From: owner-ipp@pwg.org [mailto:owner-ipp@pwg.org] On Behalf Of McDonald, Ira Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:46 PM To: 'ipp@pwg.org' Subject: IPP> PSX - Next IPP WG telecon Thursday 17 August Hi, Reminder of next scheduled IPP WG telecon. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/407 - Release Date: 8/3/2006 --=_alternative 000FDAB5872571CD_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
I assume we're talking 8/31 at 2pm Eastern.
Works for me.
----------------------------------------------
Harry Lewis
IBM STSM
Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
http://www.pwg.org
IBM Printing Systems
http://www.ibm.com/printers
303-924-5337
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"Whittle, Craig" <cwhittle@sharplabs.com>
Sent by: owner-ipp@pwg.org

08/16/2006 04:46 PM

To
ipp@pwg.org
cc
"'Farrell, Lee'" <Lee.Farrell@cda.canon.com>
Subject
RE: IPP> PSX - Next IPP WG telecon Thursday 17 August





All:

I talked with Ira yesterday.  Since he has just sent out his "Problem
Statement and Design Alternatives" e-mail and many of our "BMLinkS
representatives" are unavailable due to August vacations, we thought it best
to announce the change to Aug 31.  

I hope this works for everyone.

Best regards,

**CW

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ipp@pwg.org [mailto:owner-ipp@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Farrell, Lee
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 2:16 PM
To: ipp@pwg.org
Cc: McDonald, Ira
Subject: RE: IPP> PSX - Next IPP WG telecon Thursday 17 August

I just need to confirm this.  Our Aug 3 Minutes say the next
teleconference is Aug 17, as Ira states below.

But Craig Whittle says (in the Aug 15 e-mail below) that our next
teleconference is Aug 31.

So which is it -- Aug 17 or 31?

Lee

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ipp@pwg.org [mailto:owner-ipp@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Whittle,
Craig
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 2:24 PM
To: 'ipp@pwg.org'
Subject: RE: IPP> Revised PSX Problem Statement and Design Alternatives

All:

Please recall from our last teleconference call that PWG members with
interest in BMLinkS would "e-mail to their respective company
representatives in the BMLinkS community for feedback" on the approaches
Ira has listed below.

I am on vacation later this week and all of next week.  Our next
teleconference is tentatively scheduled for 8/31--please try and get
feedback before then.

Best regards,

**CW


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ipp@pwg.org [mailto:owner-ipp@pwg.org] On Behalf Of
McDonald, Ira
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:46 PM
To: 'ipp@pwg.org'
Subject: IPP> PSX - Next IPP WG telecon Thursday 17 August

Hi,

Reminder of next scheduled IPP WG telecon.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High
North Inc PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com

--
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--=_alternative 000FDAB5872571CD_=-- From ipp-owner@pwg.org Thu Aug 17 12:50:13 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDl4P-0003sd-Ik for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:50:13 -0400 Received: from pwg.org ([192.146.101.49]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDl4N-0001ee-K1 for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:50:13 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7HGo4HH006751 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:50:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with SMTP id k7HGo4IB006746 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:50:04 -0400 Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:48:45 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7HGmabs006536 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:48:38 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k7HGmare006533 for ipp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:48:36 -0400 Received: from mail2.sharplabs.com (mail2.sharplabs.com [216.65.151.51]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7HGmVqC006528 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:48:33 -0400 Received: from admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com (admsrvnt02 [172.29.225.253]) by mail2.sharplabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 924A61E149E; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:48:26 -0700 Message-ID: <789E617C880666438EDEE30C2A3E8D10EEC1@mailsrvnt05.enet.sharplabs.com> From: "McDonald, Ira" To: "'ptykodi@tykodi.com'" , ipp@pwg.org Subject: RE: IPP> Revised PSX Problem Statement and Design Alternatives Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:48:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-ipp@pwg.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 249cd1efd3d5e0d09114abe826a41235 Hi Paul, Yes. MS Active Directory, Novell directory, BMLinkS Job and Device Control, and a whole lot of other products will get the _only_ viable solution from the IPP PSX project. More and more enterprise networks are disabling SNMP entirely, for perfectly sound security reasons. Meanwhile, the web services interfaces in network printers are _all_ proprietary. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Tykodi [mailto:ptykodi@tykodi.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 8:06 PM > To: ipp@pwg.org > Cc: McDonald, Ira > Subject: RE: IPP> Revised PSX Problem Statement and Design > Alternatives > > > Dear Ira and IPP List, > > Microsoft Active Directory has the capability to publish > certain information > about printer capabilities. According to the following URL, > it seems that > under certain conditions SNMP is utilized to extract some of > the information > that will be stored in an Active Directory entry regarding a printer. > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/235925/en-us > > Question: Do people believe that Ira's idea could be of > potential benefit to > Microsoft's Active Directory support for printers when SNMP > is unavailable? > > Thanks. > > Best Regards, > > /Paul > -- > Paul Tykodi > Principal Consultant > TCS - Tykodi Consulting Services LLC > > Tel/Fax: 603-343-1820 > Mobile: 603-866-0712 > E-mail: ptykodi@tykodi.com > WWW: http://www.tykodi.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-ipp@pwg.org [mailto:owner-ipp@pwg.org] On > Behalf Of McDonald, > > Ira > > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:59 PM > > To: 'ipp@pwg.org' > > Subject: IPP> Revised PSX Problem Statement and Design Alternatives > > > > Hi folks, Monday (14 > August 2006) > > > > Per my action item from the last IPP WG telecon, below is a revised > > problem statement for IPP Printer State Reasons (PSX) project and a > > short summary of our design alternatives. > > > > Action - All - Please forward this note to your company's BMLinkS > > representative for their feedback. The IPP PSX project > developed from > > a need first identified by the BMLinkS standards project in Japan. > > > > Cheers, > > - Ira (co-editor of IPP PSX spec) > > > > > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc > > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 > > phone: +1-906-494-2434 > > email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > > > REQUEST FOR COMMENTS > > > > The IEEE-ISTO PWG requests comments from BMLinkS consortium > members on > > the design alternatives summarized below. The PWG IPP > Working Group is > > at an effective standstill on the IPP Printer State Reasons > Extensions > > project until a concensus on the design alternatives is reached. > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > > > PROBLEM STATEMENT > > > > When deploying printers in enterprise networks, customers > often disable > > SNMPv1 (RFC 1157), based on local security policy - and > secure SNMPv3 > > (RFC 3414) is not widely supported by current printers. Therefore, > > alternative support for secure queries for printer device alerts is > > required to manage, provision, and service these non-SNMP network > > printers. IPP/1.1 (RFC 2911) can be securely deployed in enterprise > > networks, using TLS/1.0 (RFC 2246) and HTTP/1.1 Upgrade > (RFC 2817), so > > an IPP solution to this requirement is attractive. > > > > The IPP "printer-state-reasons" attribute was defined in > IPP/1.1 (RFC > > 2911), but the mapping of printer device alerts from the > 'prtAlertCode' > > object defined in Printer MIB v1/v2 (RFC 1759/3805) was very sparse. > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > > > DESIGN BACKGROUND > > > > The draft IPP PSX spec overloaded the "printer-state-message (text)" > > attribute for Printer MIB alert encoding. But Michael > Sweet (CUPS) has > > objected that storing non-localized data in > "printer-state-message" is > > non-conformant and Ted Tronson (Novell) has concurred, so > the IPP PSX > > spec _must_ define one or more _new_ IPP Printer attributes. > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > > > DESIGN ALTERNATIVES > > > > All missing values from the 'PrtAlertCodeTC' enumeration > will be added > > to IPP "printer-state-reasons" attribute - there is IPP WG unanimous > > concensus on this decision. > > > > But the Printer MIB v2 "generic alerts" (e.g., > 'subunitAlmostEmpty') are > > meaningless without more information from 'prtAlertTable' > for context. > > The design alternatives of a new IPP 'collection' attribute or a new > > first-class IPP 'object' have already been rejected by the IPP WG. > > > > Note: The IPP WG strongly prefers hybrid choice (3) > described below. > > > > (1) Structured string encoding in one new IPP attribute > > > > Syntax: > > "printer-alert (1setOf octetString(MAX))" > > > > Example: > > printer-alert[1] = > > alert-code=jam;alert-index=22;alert-severity=critical; > > alert-group=mediaPath;alert-group-index=4;alert-location=6 > > > > Pros: > > P1a Avoids cross-registration between IANA Printer MIB > enumerations > > and IANA IPP Registry. > > P1b Allows safe vendor extensions (with different keywords). > > P1c Easy to specify in rigorous ABNF. > > > > Cons: > > C1a Cannot support encoding of 'prtAlertDescription' (localized > > string, not keywords). > > > > (2) IPP-centric encoding in a complete set of new IPP atributes > > > > Syntax: > > "printer-alert-code (1setOf keyword)" > > "printer-alert-index (1setOf integer)" > > "printer-alert-severity (1setOf keyword)" > > "printer-alert-training (1setOf keyword)" > > "printer-alert-group (1setOf keyword)" > > "printer-alert-group-index (1setOf integer)" > > "printer-alert-location (1setOf integer)" > > "printer-alert-time (1setOf integer)" > > "printer-alert-description (1setOf text(MAX))" > > > > Example: > > printer-alert-code[1] = jam > > printer-alert-index[1] = 22 > > printer-alert-severity[1] = critical > > printer-alert-group[1] = media-path -- keyword transformed > > printer-alert-group-index[1] = 4 > > printer-alert-location[1] = 6 > > printer-alert-description[1] = Jam in duplex printing > media path > > > > Pros: > > P2a Supports encoding of 'prtAlertDescription' > (localized string, > > not keywords). > > > > Cons: > > C2a Forces cross-registration between IANA Printer MIB > enumerations > > and IANA IPP Registry. > > C2b Forces non-identity transforms of IANA Printer MIB > enumerations > > into IANA IPP Registry keywords (due to limited > keyword syntax). > > C2c Large set of parallel ordered attributes is fragile > for generic > > IPP parsers. > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > > > (3) Hybrid - Structured encoding plus a parallel > description attribute > > > > Syntax: > > "printer-alert (1setOf octetString(MAX))" > > "printer-alert-description (1setOf text(MAX))" > > > > Example: > > printer-alert[1] = > > alert-code=jam;alert-index=22;alert-severity=critical; > > alert-group=mediaPath;alert-group-index=4;alert-location=6 > > printer-alert-description[1] = Jam in duplex printing > media path > > > > Pros: > > P3a See P1a, P1b, and P1c above. > > P3b See P2a above. > > P3c Avoids large set of parallel ordered attributes > that would be > > fragile for generic IPP parsers. > > > > Cons: > > None identified to date. > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.10/418 - Release > Date: 8/14/2006 > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.1/421 - Release Date: 8/16/2006 From ipp-owner@pwg.org Thu Aug 17 13:11:40 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDlPA-0004eh-Nz for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:11:40 -0400 Received: from pwg.org ([192.146.101.49]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDlCM-0002Tx-SH for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:58:28 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7HGwLlb008000 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:58:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with SMTP id k7HGwLeU007997 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:58:21 -0400 Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:57:23 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7HGvJkE007672 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:57:21 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k7HGvJew007669 for ipp-outgoing; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:57:19 -0400 Received: from mail2.sharplabs.com (mail2.sharplabs.com [216.65.151.51]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7HGvERr007657 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:57:17 -0400 Received: from admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com (admsrvnt02 [172.29.225.253]) by mail2.sharplabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 042F01E14D4 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:57:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:57:13 -0700 Message-ID: <789E617C880666438EDEE30C2A3E8D10EEC2@mailsrvnt05.enet.sharplabs.com> From: "McDonald, Ira" To: "'ipp@pwg.org'" Subject: IPP> PSX - Thursday 31 August 11am EDT - Next telecon - BMLinkS feedba ck Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:57:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-ipp@pwg.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f Hi, [Harry Lewis - IPP PSX telecons alternate with MFP Alerts (Thursday 11am EDT), not with WIMS CIM (Thursday 2pm EDT)] Craig Whittle (co-editor of IPP PSX spec) is on vacation through 25 August, so the next IPP WG telecon will be: Thursday 31 August 8am PDT / 11am EDT Dial In: 1-866-365-4406 Toll #: 1-303-248-9655 Passcode: 2635888# *** ACTION *** All PWG members - Please forward Ira's note on IPP WG list on Monday 14 August "IPP> Revised PSX Problem Statement and Design Alternatives" to your company's representative or observer in the Japanese BMLinkS consortium for their URGENT feedback. - The IPP PSX project is at a standstill until we reach a concensus on these design alternatives. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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--=_alternative 00592E3C852571CE_=-- From pwg-announce-owner@pwg.org Fri Aug 18 12:17:40 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GE72S-00019s-Ue; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:17:40 -0400 Received: from www.pwg.org ([192.146.101.49] helo=pwg.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GE72R-0006ap-LF; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:17:40 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7IGHYoi020336; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:17:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with SMTP id k7IGHYIC020333; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:17:34 -0400 Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:15:47 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7IGFjT9019553 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:15:47 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k7IGFjGW019550 for pwg-announce-out; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:15:45 -0400 To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Subject: PWG-ANNOUNCE> PWG Steering Committee call minutes for August 17 2006 (corrected date) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.12 February 13, 2003 Message-ID: From: thrasher@lexmark.com Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:15:40 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on smtp5b/Lex/Lexmark(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 08/18/2006 12:15:41, Serialize complete at 08/18/2006 12:15:41 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 005982BB852571CE_=" Sender: owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 005982BB852571CE_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ----- Forwarded by Jerry Thrasher/Lex/Lexmark on 08/18/2006 12:17 PM ----- Jerry Thrasher 08/18/2006 12:12 PM To: pwg-announce@pwg.org cc: Subject: PWG Steering Committee call minutes for August 317 2006 ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/PWG_SC_call_minutes_20060817.pdf --=_alternative 005982BB852571CE_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
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--=_alternative 005982BB852571CE_=-- From pwg-announce-owner@pwg.org Fri Aug 18 13:49:33 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GE8TN-000272-Up; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:49:33 -0400 Received: from www.pwg.org ([192.146.101.49] helo=pwg.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GE8TM-0005G2-Jd; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:49:33 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7IHnUJc032334; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:49:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with SMTP id k7IHnUZg032331; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:49:30 -0400 Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:47:34 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7IHlVcs031552 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:47:33 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k7IHlVjB031549 for pwg-announce-out; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:47:31 -0400 Message-ID: <789E617C880666438EDEE30C2A3E8D10EECC@mailsrvnt05.enet.sharplabs.com> From: "McDonald, Ira" To: "'thrasher@lexmark.com'" , pwg-announce@pwg.org Subject: RE: PWG-ANNOUNCE> PWG Steering Committee call minutes for August 17 2006 (corrected date) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:47:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6C2EE.0DF42285" Sender: owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a1852b4f554b02e7e4548cc7928acc1f This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6C2EE.0DF42285 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Hi Jerry, Good minutes! One typo in item (4) "PWG Project Status Update": - the next SM telecon will be Wednesday 30 August, not Sunday 20 August (as stated in these minutes). Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org]On Behalf Of thrasher@lexmark.com Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 12:16 PM To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Subject: PWG-ANNOUNCE> PWG Steering Committee call minutes for August 17 2006 (corrected date) ----- Forwarded by Jerry Thrasher/Lex/Lexmark on 08/18/2006 12:17 PM ----- Jerry Thrasher 08/18/2006 12:12 PM To: pwg-announce@pwg.org cc: Subject: PWG Steering Committee call minutes for August 317 2006 ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/PWG_SC_call_minutes_20060817.pdf -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.3/423 - Release Date: 8/18/2006 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6C2EE.0DF42285 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Hi Jerry,
 
Good minutes!
 
One typo in item (4) "PWG Project Status Update":
- the next SM telecon will be Wednesday 30 August,
  not Sunday 20 August (as stated in these minutes).
 
Cheers,
- Ira
 

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6C2EE.0DF42285-- From pwg-announce-owner@pwg.org Fri Aug 18 14:18:25 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GE8vJ-0007Kt-1J; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:18:25 -0400 Received: from pwg.org ([192.146.101.49]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GE8vH-0004lg-Oc; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:18:25 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7IIIJV0005077; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:18:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with SMTP id k7IIIJs2005074; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:18:19 -0400 Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:16:32 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7IIGTOK004356 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:16:31 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k7IIGTu0004353 for pwg-announce-out; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:16:29 -0400 Message-ID: <789E617C880666438EDEE30C2A3E8D10EECE@mailsrvnt05.enet.sharplabs.com> From: "McDonald, Ira" To: "'pwg-announce@pwg.org'" Subject: PWG-ANNOUNCE> Upcoming PWG WG telecons Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:16:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb Hi, The PWG Steering Committee just resolved to work on getting some kind of up-to-date meeting calendar on the PWG home page. But for the nonce... * PMP WG - MFP Alerts Project Thursday 24 August 11am EDT * WIMS WG - CIM Refresh Project Thursday 24 August 2pm EDT * PWG Steering Committee Thursday 24 August 3:10pm EDT * Semantic Model WG Wednesday 30 August 1pm EDT * IPP WG - PSX Project Thursday 31 August 11am EDT * WIMS WG - CIM Refresh Project Thursday 31 August 2pm EDT - tentative See the working group mailing lists for details and agendas. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.3/423 - Release Date: 8/18/2006 From pwg-announce-owner@pwg.org Mon Aug 21 09:36:41 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GF9xJ-0000hN-Eb; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:36:41 -0400 Received: from www.pwg.org ([192.146.101.49] helo=pwg.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GF9xI-0005l8-1p; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:36:41 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7LDaSYO022352; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:36:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with SMTP id k7LDaRXR022349; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:36:28 -0400 Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:34:06 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7LDY2cB021856 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:34:04 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k7LDY2Iw021853 for pwg-announce-out; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:34:02 -0400 To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Subject: Re: PWG-ANNOUNCE> Upcoming PWG WG telecons MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.12 February 13, 2003 Message-ID: From: thrasher@lexmark.com Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:33:56 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on smtp5b/Lex/Lexmark(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 08/21/2006 09:33:58, Serialize complete at 08/21/2006 09:33:58 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 004AB335852571D1_=" Sender: owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2e8fc473f5174be667965460bd5288ba This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004AB335852571D1_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" All, Check the PWG home page (www.pwg.org) and follow the link on the right ("Conference Call Schedule"). In theory this is a direct link to the (now public) gmail calendar for the istopwg. For those who want to bookmark the link it's: http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=istopwg%40gmail.com You will still need the username/pw to change it but now anybody can view it. Let me know if this works or not.....it seems to work fine for both the browsers I run.. (Moz' and IE) Jerry Thrasher "McDonald, Ira" Sent by: owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org 08/18/2006 02:16 PM To: "'pwg-announce@pwg.org'" cc: Subject: PWG-ANNOUNCE> Upcoming PWG WG telecons Hi, The PWG Steering Committee just resolved to work on getting some kind of up-to-date meeting calendar on the PWG home page. But for the nonce... * PMP WG - MFP Alerts Project Thursday 24 August 11am EDT * WIMS WG - CIM Refresh Project Thursday 24 August 2pm EDT * PWG Steering Committee Thursday 24 August 3:10pm EDT * Semantic Model WG Wednesday 30 August 1pm EDT * IPP WG - PSX Project Thursday 31 August 11am EDT * WIMS WG - CIM Refresh Project Thursday 31 August 2pm EDT - tentative See the working group mailing lists for details and agendas. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.3/423 - Release Date: 8/18/2006 --=_alternative 004AB335852571D1_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
All,

Check the PWG home page (www.pwg.org) and follow the link on the right ("Conference Call Schedule").

In theory this is a direct link to the (now public) gmail calendar for the istopwg.
For those who want to bookmark the link it's:

http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=istopwg%40gmail.com

You will still need the username/pw to change it but now anybody can view it.

Let me know if this works or not.....it seems to work fine for both the browsers I run.. (Moz' and IE)

Jerry Thrasher


"McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald@sharplabs.com>
Sent by: owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org

08/18/2006 02:16 PM

       
        To:        "'pwg-announce@pwg.org'" <pwg-announce@pwg.org>
        cc:        
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Hi,

The PWG Steering Committee just resolved to work on
getting some kind of up-to-date meeting calendar
on the PWG home page.  But for the nonce...

* PMP WG - MFP Alerts Project
 Thursday 24 August 11am EDT

* WIMS WG - CIM Refresh Project
 Thursday 24 August 2pm EDT

* PWG Steering Committee
 Thursday 24 August 3:10pm EDT

* Semantic Model WG
 Wednesday 30 August 1pm EDT

* IPP WG - PSX Project
 Thursday 31 August 11am EDT

* WIMS WG - CIM Refresh Project
 Thursday 31 August 2pm EDT - tentative

See the working group mailing lists for details
and agendas.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com

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--=_alternative 004AB335852571D1_=-- From pwg-announce-owner@pwg.org Mon Aug 21 10:07:38 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFARF-0001Jf-Vh; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:07:37 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFARF-00032Y-U5; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:07:37 -0400 Received: from pwg.org ([192.146.101.49]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFAPy-0000Xu-0l; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:06:20 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7LE6CpA027336; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:06:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with SMTP id k7LE6CKm027333; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:06:12 -0400 Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:04:26 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7LE4Obu026833 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:04:26 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k7LE4Ox7026830 for pwg-announce-out; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:04:24 -0400 To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Subject: PWG-ANNOUNCE> PWG Steering Committee call minutes for August 17 2006 (corrected) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.12 February 13, 2003 Message-ID: From: thrasher@lexmark.com Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:04:18 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on smtp5b/Lex/Lexmark(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 08/21/2006 10:04:20, Serialize complete at 08/21/2006 10:04:20 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 004D7AE1852571D1_=" Sender: owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004D7AE1852571D1_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Corrected the date of the SM telecon. ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/PWG_SC_call_minutes_20060817_v2.pdf --=_alternative 004D7AE1852571D1_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Corrected the date of the SM telecon.

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/PWG_SC_call_minutes_20060817_v2.pdf


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--=_alternative 00732869852571D4_=-- From ipp-owner@pwg.org Tue Aug 29 14:18:31 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GI8AR-0001lG-29 for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:18:31 -0400 Received: from pwg.org ([192.146.101.49]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GI8AO-0004Zf-Oy for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:18:31 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7TIIMo3013988 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:18:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with SMTP id k7TIIMHW013985 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:18:22 -0400 Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:17:10 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7TIH1pO013749 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:17:03 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k7TIH1xD013746 for ipp-outgoing; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:17:01 -0400 Received: from mail2.sharplabs.com (mail2.sharplabs.com [216.65.151.51]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7TIGwma013741 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:17:01 -0400 Received: from admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com (admsrvnt02 [172.29.225.253]) by mail2.sharplabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 677D41E1584 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:16:58 -0700 Message-ID: <789E617C880666438EDEE30C2A3E8D10EEDA@mailsrvnt05.enet.sharplabs.com> From: "McDonald, Ira" To: "'ipp@pwg.org'" Subject: IPP> PSX - Reminder - Thursday 31 August 11am EDT - Next telecon Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:16:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-ipp@pwg.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 [Early warning, at Craig's suggestion] Hi, Reminder of our IPP PSX project telecon this week: Thursday 31 August 8am PDT / 11am EDT Dial In: 1-866-365-4406 Toll #: 1-303-248-9655 Passcode: 2635888# All - please bring your feedback on items (2) and (3) below. Craig Whittle - available as Secretary (and PSX co-editor). Ron Bergman - will you be available to chair this meeting? Suggested Agenda: (1) Review and approve minutes of last meeting ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ipp_psx-060803.pdf (2) Discuss BMLinkS and PWG responses to Ira's email (14 August) "Revised PSX Problem Statement and Design Alternatives" - All - comments on your company's priorities (3) Discuss PSX project downscoping to Ira's email (29 August) "PSX Limited Design Alternative" (later today) - Craig - comments on Sharp priorities (4) Impact on DMTF CIM and PWG Semantic Model work-in-progress (e.g., the limited approach would NOT support provisioning or field service use cases, due to the lost alert context) (5) Next steps Cheers, - Ira (co-editor of IPP PSX spec) Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 8/28/2006 From ipp-owner@pwg.org Tue Aug 29 21:23:30 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIEni-0002NL-Aw for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:23:30 -0400 Received: from pwg.org ([192.146.101.49]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIEng-0002tL-07 for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:23:30 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7U1NPNP026400 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:23:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with SMTP id k7U1NPH2026397 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:23:25 -0400 Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:22:22 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7U1MIjL026204 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:22:20 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k7U1MINX026201 for ipp-outgoing; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:22:18 -0400 Received: from mail2.sharplabs.com (mail2.sharplabs.com [216.65.151.51]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7U1MF7S026197 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:22:17 -0400 Received: from admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com (admsrvnt02 [172.29.225.253]) by mail2.sharplabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 424A11E1562 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:22:15 -0700 Message-ID: <789E617C880666438EDEE30C2A3E8D10EEE1@mailsrvnt05.enet.sharplabs.com> From: "McDonald, Ira" To: "'ipp@pwg.org'" Subject: IPP> PSX - Limited Design Alternative for Device Alerts Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:22:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-ipp@pwg.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b5d20af10c334b36874c0264b10f59f1 Hi folks, Tuesday (29 August 2006) For consideration at this week's IPP WG telecon, below is a very limited design alternative for the IPP Printer State Reasons (PSX) project. NOTE - This design alternative does NOT satisfy most requirements in the latest IPP PSX Problem Statement (email note of 14 August 2006): http://article.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.ipp/1282 Comments? Cheers, - Ira (co-editor of IPP PSX spec) Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ REQUEST FOR COMMENTS The IEEE-ISTO PWG requests comments from BMLinkS consortium members on the design alternative summarized below. The PWG IPP Working Group is at an effective standstill on the IPP Printer State Reasons Extensions project until a concensus on the design alternatives is reached. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ LIMITED DESIGN ALTERNATIVE (0) 'PrtAlertCode' only mapped to existing IPP "printer-state-reasons" and no other alert context from 'prtAlertTable' mapped to IPP Syntax: "printer-state-reasons (1setOf type2 keyword)" Example: printer-state-reason[1] = stitcher-jam printer-state-reason[2] = wrapper-empty printer-state-reason[3] = input-media-size-change Note: Finisher MIB uses 'stitcher' (from ISO DPA) instead of 'stapler'. Description: For existing Printer MIB v1/v2 subunits, we would add all missing values of 'PrtAlertCodeTC' enumeration to "printer-state-reasons". For Finisher MIB devices, we would add all missing specific values to 'PrtAlertCodeTC' and "printer-state-reasons" for the equivalent alerts (e.g., 'wrapper-empty' but NOT 'wrapper-power-saver'). Pros: P0a Simple solution using only registration - no new IPP attributes. P0b Avoids large set of parallel ordered attributes that would be fragile for generic IPP parsers. P0c Does not require any new formal specification in ABNF. Cons: C0a Forces cross-registration between IANA Printer MIB Registry 'PrtAlertCodeTC' and IANA IPP Registry "printer-state-reasons". C0b Forces transforms of the IANA Printer MIB enumeration tags into IANA IPP Registry keywords (due to limited keyword syntax). C0c Does NOT support remote provisioning or field service use cases, due to lack of alert context (location, group index, etc.). C0d Does NOT support using IPP as a substitute for SNMP Printer MIB access for management gateways (for DMTF CIM or other models). C0e Vendor extensions MUST be IANA-registered (inherent limitation of the IPP 'type2' keyword syntax). C0f Results in a very large number of new alert codes (probably several hundred), mostly unnecessary with all other PSX design alternatives (where 'PrtAlertGroupTC' is extended). C0g Probable long delay for concensus on the appropriate set of new alert codes in (C0f) above would hinder timely solution. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 8/28/2006 From ipp-owner@pwg.org Thu Aug 31 10:17:10 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GInLy-00007s-34 for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:17:10 -0400 Received: from www.pwg.org ([192.146.101.49] helo=pwg.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GInLv-0001DP-CA for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:17:10 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7VEH4LG031406 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:17:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with SMTP id k7VEH42N031403 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:17:04 -0400 Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:15:45 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7VEFaur031182 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:15:38 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k7VEFaMD031179 for ipp-outgoing; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:15:36 -0400 Received: from e32.co.us.ibm.com (e32.co.us.ibm.com [32.97.110.150]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7VEEwu3031175 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:15:00 -0400 Received: from d03relay04.boulder.ibm.com (d03relay04.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.106]) by e32.co.us.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k7VEEv3p029539 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:14:57 -0400 Received: from d03av02.boulder.ibm.com (d03av02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.168]) by d03relay04.boulder.ibm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/NCO v8.1.1) with ESMTP id k7VEEuZf276044 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:14:57 -0600 Received: from d03av02.boulder.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d03av02.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k7VEEuh2027230 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:14:56 -0600 Received: from d03nm132.boulder.ibm.com (d03nm132.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.172]) by d03av02.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k7VEEuf0027221 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:14:56 -0600 In-Reply-To: <789E617C880666438EDEE30C2A3E8D10EEE1@mailsrvnt05.enet.sharplabs.com> To: "McDonald, Ira" Cc: "'ipp@pwg.org'" Subject: Re: IPP> PSX - Limited Design Alternative for Device Alerts MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0 HF85 November 04, 2005 Message-ID: From: Harry Lewis Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:14:54 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D03NM132/03/M/IBM(Release 7.0.1HF346 | August 4, 2006) at 08/31/2006 08:14:56, Serialize complete at 08/31/2006 08:14:56 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 004E3EF7872571DB_=" Sender: owner-ipp@pwg.org X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c0aa019322dfce838bd8604f5a841b57 This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004E3EF7872571DB_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sorry I cannot make today's PSX meeting. I have a conflicting internal DMTF CIM meeting. I have run the options past IBMers and we prefer options 2 or 3 (not option 1). ---------------------------------------------- Harry Lewis IBM STSM Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group http://www.pwg.org IBM Printing Systems http://www.ibm.com/printers 303-924-5337 ---------------------------------------------- "McDonald, Ira" Sent by: owner-ipp@pwg.org 08/29/2006 07:22 PM To "'ipp@pwg.org'" cc Subject IPP> PSX - Limited Design Alternative for Device Alerts Hi folks, Tuesday (29 August 2006) For consideration at this week's IPP WG telecon, below is a very limited design alternative for the IPP Printer State Reasons (PSX) project. NOTE - This design alternative does NOT satisfy most requirements in the latest IPP PSX Problem Statement (email note of 14 August 2006): http://article.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.ipp/1282 Comments? Cheers, - Ira (co-editor of IPP PSX spec) Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ REQUEST FOR COMMENTS The IEEE-ISTO PWG requests comments from BMLinkS consortium members on the design alternative summarized below. The PWG IPP Working Group is at an effective standstill on the IPP Printer State Reasons Extensions project until a concensus on the design alternatives is reached. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ LIMITED DESIGN ALTERNATIVE (0) 'PrtAlertCode' only mapped to existing IPP "printer-state-reasons" and no other alert context from 'prtAlertTable' mapped to IPP Syntax: "printer-state-reasons (1setOf type2 keyword)" Example: printer-state-reason[1] = stitcher-jam printer-state-reason[2] = wrapper-empty printer-state-reason[3] = input-media-size-change Note: Finisher MIB uses 'stitcher' (from ISO DPA) instead of 'stapler'. Description: For existing Printer MIB v1/v2 subunits, we would add all missing values of 'PrtAlertCodeTC' enumeration to "printer-state-reasons". For Finisher MIB devices, we would add all missing specific values to 'PrtAlertCodeTC' and "printer-state-reasons" for the equivalent alerts (e.g., 'wrapper-empty' but NOT 'wrapper-power-saver'). Pros: P0a Simple solution using only registration - no new IPP attributes. P0b Avoids large set of parallel ordered attributes that would be fragile for generic IPP parsers. P0c Does not require any new formal specification in ABNF. Cons: C0a Forces cross-registration between IANA Printer MIB Registry 'PrtAlertCodeTC' and IANA IPP Registry "printer-state-reasons". C0b Forces transforms of the IANA Printer MIB enumeration tags into IANA IPP Registry keywords (due to limited keyword syntax). C0c Does NOT support remote provisioning or field service use cases, due to lack of alert context (location, group index, etc.). C0d Does NOT support using IPP as a substitute for SNMP Printer MIB access for management gateways (for DMTF CIM or other models). C0e Vendor extensions MUST be IANA-registered (inherent limitation of the IPP 'type2' keyword syntax). C0f Results in a very large number of new alert codes (probably several hundred), mostly unnecessary with all other PSX design alternatives (where 'PrtAlertGroupTC' is extended). C0g Probable long delay for concensus on the appropriate set of new alert codes in (C0f) above would hinder timely solution. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 8/28/2006 --=_alternative 004E3EF7872571DB_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Sorry I cannot make today's PSX meeting. I have a conflicting internal DMTF CIM meeting. I have run the options past IBMers and we prefer options 2 or 3 (not option 1).
----------------------------------------------
Harry Lewis
IBM STSM
Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
http://www.pwg.org
IBM Printing Systems
http://www.ibm.com/printers
303-924-5337
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"McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald@sharplabs.com>
Sent by: owner-ipp@pwg.org

08/29/2006 07:22 PM

To
"'ipp@pwg.org'" <ipp@pwg.org>
cc
Subject
IPP> PSX - Limited Design Alternative for Device Alerts





Hi folks,                                       Tuesday (29 August 2006)

For consideration at this week's IPP WG telecon, below is a very limited
design alternative for the IPP Printer State Reasons (PSX) project.

NOTE - This design alternative does NOT satisfy most requirements in
the latest IPP PSX Problem Statement (email note of 14 August 2006):

 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.ipp/1282

Comments?

Cheers,
- Ira (co-editor of IPP PSX spec)


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------

                          REQUEST FOR COMMENTS

The IEEE-ISTO PWG requests comments from BMLinkS consortium members on
the design alternative summarized below.  The PWG IPP Working Group is
at an effective standstill on the IPP Printer State Reasons Extensions
project until a concensus on the design alternatives is reached.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

                       LIMITED DESIGN ALTERNATIVE

(0) 'PrtAlertCode' only mapped to existing IPP "printer-state-reasons"
   and no other alert context from 'prtAlertTable' mapped to IPP

   Syntax:
     "printer-state-reasons (1setOf type2 keyword)"

   Example:
     printer-state-reason[1] = stitcher-jam
     printer-state-reason[2] = wrapper-empty
     printer-state-reason[3] = input-media-size-change

   Note:
     Finisher MIB uses 'stitcher' (from ISO DPA) instead of 'stapler'.

   Description:
     For existing Printer MIB v1/v2 subunits, we would add all missing
     values of 'PrtAlertCodeTC' enumeration to "printer-state-reasons".
     For Finisher MIB devices, we would add all missing specific values
     to 'PrtAlertCodeTC' and "printer-state-reasons" for the equivalent
     alerts (e.g., 'wrapper-empty' but NOT 'wrapper-power-saver').

   Pros:
   P0a Simple solution using only registration - no new IPP attributes.

   P0b Avoids large set of parallel ordered attributes that would be
       fragile for generic IPP parsers.

   P0c Does not require any new formal specification in ABNF.

   Cons:
   C0a Forces cross-registration between IANA Printer MIB Registry
       'PrtAlertCodeTC' and IANA IPP Registry "printer-state-reasons".

   C0b Forces transforms of the IANA Printer MIB enumeration tags into
       IANA IPP Registry keywords (due to limited keyword syntax).

   C0c Does NOT support remote provisioning or field service use cases,
       due to lack of alert context (location, group index, etc.).

   C0d Does NOT support using IPP as a substitute for SNMP Printer MIB
       access for management gateways (for DMTF CIM or other models).

   C0e Vendor extensions MUST be IANA-registered (inherent limitation
       of the IPP 'type2' keyword syntax).

   C0f Results in a very large number of new alert codes (probably
       several hundred), mostly unnecessary with all other PSX design
       alternatives (where 'PrtAlertGroupTC' is extended).

   C0g Probable long delay for concensus on the appropriate set of new
       alert codes in (C0f) above would hinder timely solution.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

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--=_alternative 004E3EF7872571DB_=-- From ipp-owner@pwg.org Thu Aug 31 16:04:44 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIsmK-0001wY-1n for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:04:44 -0400 Received: from pwg.org ([192.146.101.49]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIsmH-0005hi-7W for ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:04:44 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7VK4cCY010436 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:04:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with SMTP id k7VK4ckc010433 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:04:38 -0400 Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:03:29 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7VK3Pad010206 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:03:27 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k7VK3P1O010203 for ipp-outgoing; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:03:25 -0400 Received: from mail2.sharplabs.com (mail2.sharplabs.com [216.65.151.51]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7VK3L93010198 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:03:24 -0400 Received: from admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com (admsrvnt02 [172.29.225.253]) by mail2.sharplabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E8DC1E14A1 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by admsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:03:21 -0700 Message-ID: <789E617C880666438EDEE30C2A3E8D104E52D5@mailsrvnt05.enet.sharplabs.com> From: "Whittle, Craig" To: "'ipp@pwg.org'" Subject: IPP> PSX> August 31, 2006 teleconference minutes posted Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:03:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6CD38.7D740934" Sender: owner-ipp@pwg.org X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7542ba2209df2ee1cd55c1f9579f1e4b This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6CD38.7D740934 Content-Type: text/plain All: Minutes from the PWG IPP Printer State Extensions Working Group teleconference call have been posted. See ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ipp_psx-060831.pdf . Highlights * Ron heard from T. Morita (Chair of BMLinkS from Ricoh Japan). A BMLinkS Technical committee will review the alternatives previously posted and issue a formal response. * Consensus seems to building around a hybrid solution. A combination of Option 0 and Option 3 (see ftp links below). Implementing option 0 only does not meeting the intent of the charter and does not provide the management visibility needed into the subunit. - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/IPP%20PSX%20-%20Limited%20Design%20Alternat ive%20for%20Device%20Alerts.txt - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/IPP%20Revised%20PSX%20Problem%20Statement%2 0and%20Design%20Alternatives.txt Best regards, **CW ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6CD38.7D740934 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Minutes from the PWG IPP Printer State Extensions Working Group teleconference call = have been posted.  See ftp://= ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ipp_psx-060831.pdf. 

 

Highlights

·         Ron heard from T. Morita = (Chair of BMLinkS from Ricoh Japan). A BMLinkS Technical committee will review the alternatives previously = posted and issue a formal response.

·         Consensus seems to = building around a hybrid solution. A combination of Option 0 and Option 3 (see ftp = links below). Implementing option 0 only does not meeting the intent of the charter = and does not provide the management visibility needed into the = subunit.

- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/IPP%20PSX%20-%20Limited%20= Design%20Alternative%20for%20Device%20Alerts.txt

- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/IPP%20Revised%20PSX%20Prob= lem%20Statement%20and%20Design%20Alternatives.txt

 

Best regards,

**CW

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--=_alternative 006FC0AE852571DB_=-- From pwg-announce-owner@pwg.org Thu Aug 31 18:15:55 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIupH-0003pT-0s; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:15:55 -0400 Received: from www.pwg.org ([192.146.101.49] helo=pwg.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIupE-0006GP-Iu; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:15:54 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7VMFo5T020279; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:15:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with SMTP id k7VMFnkL020274; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:15:50 -0400 Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:13:49 -0400 Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org with ESMTP id k7VMDkuW019894 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:13:48 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pwg.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k7VMDkLJ019891 for pwg-announce-out; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:13:46 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6CD4A.B8198D00" Subject: PWG-ANNOUNCE> October Agenda Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:13:40 -0700 Message-ID: <02954887D466F24D9F3FC9F47466DEF0079E721E@cdaexchange.sc.rd.canon.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: October Agenda Thread-Index: AcbNSrbj6mao8jDGSmCV7n27Y15lPQ== From: "Farrell, Lee" To: Sender: owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a0ecb232550b38fd41a3cf6a312fbabc This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6CD4A.B8198D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Everyone, The PWG October face-to-face meeting agenda is provided below. 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