From pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org Tue Jun 4 10:17:08 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0832E21E8193 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 10:17:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.854 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.854 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-3.256, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OGy4EfYagw2k for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 10:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2716E21F9C68 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 08:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD48D791CA; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 11:19:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Delivered-To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Received: from mail-out.apple.com (mail-out.apple.com [17.151.62.49]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C812D791A6 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 11:18:54 -0400 (EDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from relay3.apple.com ([17.128.113.83]) by mail-out.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTP id <0MNV00C3AJVB8YO0@mail-out.apple.com> for pwg-announce@pwg.org; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 08:18:53 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807153-b7f3c6d000007b32-f5-51ae055c9860 Received: from [17.153.40.110] (Unknown_Domain [17.153.40.110]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay3.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id F4.14.31538.D550EA15; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 08:18:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Sweet Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2013 11:18:52 -0400 To: "PWG Announcements Inc." Message-id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprCLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUiOFMjTzeWdV2gwcGzphZHvsVarGtdzezA 5LH15A82j3mLpzMFMEVx2aSk5mSWpRbp2yVwZfw6/ou9YJpkxdTm28wNjNfEuhg5OSQETCR+ 3nrODGGLSVy4t56ti5GLQ0igl0ni395bYAk2ATWJ35P6WEFsZoEEifv7ZjN2MXJwsAioSFzb yA0SFhYwlniybRFYiQiQvaN9LxuIzStgI7HqxixGCFtP4tq3r+wQu2QlXj9/wzKBkXsWkqmz kJRBxLUlli18zTwLaBuzgI7E5IWMqMIQ9sfzR5gWMLKtYhQoSs1JrDTWSywoyEnVS87P3cQI CquGwuAdjH+WWR1iFOBgVOLhffBpbaAQa2JZcWXuIUYJDmYlEV7la0Ah3pTEyqrUovz4otKc 1OJDjNIcLErivEY2SwOFBNITS1KzU1MLUotgskwcnFINjIbpWz//rMgp4JIJWvRq3oQ8teWP d99k+rdM3NgyL55n7ovLWuEFDdI75cvlS+Rj90Q5uNw+qv9034O6Wxa81Wqu0fduP4zzXsqy 1EWnJehrQXns0x5P2aDS7xEa1n+jOVOM72264bPlcZP2kbMRxV8LCtf/k/myblbnOlvvcOlN fPlbuD0XKrEUZyQaajEXFScCAGAgfnonAgAA X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Subject: [Pwg-Announce] Updated templates posted with new PWG logo X-BeenThere: pwg-announce@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Printer Working Group Announcement List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2040968500==" Sender: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: DD48D791CA.AD0F8 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org --===============2040968500== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_A71E/vgyWuLtgvlsZd3+XQ)" --Boundary_(ID_A71E/vgyWuLtgvlsZd3+XQ) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT All, I have posted updated Powerpoint, Keynote, and Word templates that use the new PWG logo to: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/templates/f2f-template.key ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/templates/f2f-template.ppt ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/templates/wd-template.dot ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/templates/wd-template.dotx The working draft templates also include a new Exceptions section (3.3) based on our discussions at the May 2013 face-to-face. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_A71E/vgyWuLtgvlsZd3+XQ) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable All,

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The IESG contact persons are Joel Jaeggli and Benoit Claise. A URL of this Internet Draft is: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-requirements/ Technical Summary: This document defines requirements for standards specifications for energy management. These concern monitoring functions as well as control functions: Monitoring functions include identification of energy-managed devices and their components, monitoring of their power states, power inlets, power outlets, actual power, power properties, received energy, provided energy, and contained batteries. Control functions serve for controlling power supply and power state of energy-managed devices and their components. Working Group Summary: Version -08 of this draft was presented in the EMAN session at IETF 84 (Vancouver). The authors published -09, resolving the open issues discussed at that meeting. The draft's Working Group Last Call ran from 4 October to 22 October this year, and raised several more issues. After IETF-85, the authors published its -10 version; we believe it is now ready to submit to IESG. Document Quality: Are there existing implementations of the protocol? This is a requirements draft, not a protocol. Have a significant number of vendors indicated their plan to implement the specification? At least two vendors have implemented Energy Management systems, and - presumably - will make them EMAN-compliant. Are there any reviewers that merit special mention as having done a thorough review, e.g., one that resulted in important changes or a conclusion that the document had no substantive issues? Since September the following have contributed comments on the EMAN list: Ira McDonald, John Parello, Brad Schoening, Georgios Karagian. However, the draft's authors/editors have done most of the work in developing it. If there was a MIB Doctor, Media Type or other expert review, what was its course (briefly)? The draft hasn't had any kind of expert review. Personnel: Who is the Document Shepherd? Who is the Responsible Area Director? Shepherd: Nevil Brownlee Area Director: Joel Jaeggli _______________________________________________ eman mailing list eman@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --047d7b10cee1c8a49b04de5a674c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



---------- Forwarded message ----------<= br>From: The IESG <<= a href=3D"mailto:iesg-secretary@ietf.org">iesg-secretary@ietf.org>
Date: Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 10:01 AM
Subject: [eman] Document Action: '= ;Requirements for Energy Management' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-e= man-requirements-14.txt)
To: IETF-Announce <ietf-announce@ietf.org>
Cc: eman mailing list <eman@ietf.org>, eman chair <eman-ch= airs@tools.ietf.org>, RFC Editor <rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org>


The IESG has approved the following document:
- 'Requirements for Energy Management'
=A0 (draft-ietf-eman-requirements-14.txt) as Informational RFC

This document is the product of the Energy Management Working Group.

The IESG contact persons are Joel Jaeggli and Benoit Claise.

A URL of this Internet Draft is:
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-requiremen= ts/




Technical Summary:

This document defines requirements for standards specifications for
energy management. =A0These concern monitoring functions as well as
control functions: Monitoring functions include identification of
energy-managed devices and their components, monitoring of their power
states, power inlets, power outlets, actual power, power properties,
received energy, provided energy, and contained batteries. =A0Control
functions serve for controlling power supply and power state of
energy-managed devices and their components.

Working Group Summary:

Version -08 of this draft was presented in the EMAN session at
IETF 84 (Vancouver). =A0The authors published -09, resolving the
open issues discussed at that meeting. =A0The draft's Working Group
Last Call ran from 4 October to 22 October this year, and raised
several more issues. =A0After IETF-85, the authors published its
-10 version; we believe it is now ready to submit to IESG.

Document Quality:

Are there existing implementations of the protocol?
=A0 This is a requirements draft, not a protocol.
Have a significant number of vendors indicated their plan to implement
the specification?
=A0 At least two vendors have implemented Energy Management systems,
=A0 and - presumably - will make them EMAN-compliant.
Are there any reviewers that merit special mention as having done a
thorough review, e.g., one that resulted in important changes or a
conclusion that the document had no substantive issues?
=A0 Since September the following have contributed comments on the
=A0 EMAN list: =A0Ira McDonald, John Parello, Brad Schoening, Georgios
Karagian.
=A0 However, the draft's authors/editors have done most of the work
=A0 in developing it.
If there was a MIB Doctor, Media Type or other expert review, what was
its course (briefly)?
=A0 The draft hasn't had any kind of expert review.

Personnel:

Who is the Document Shepherd? Who is the Responsible Area Director?
=A0 =A0Shepherd: =A0 =A0 =A0Nevil Brownlee
=A0 =A0Area Director: Joel Jaeggli


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A poss= ible alternative is "IPP FaxOut MUST retains for a minimum of xxx Jobs." =B7 Line 406 Table 2 - Required Printer Description Attributes number-of-retries-default PWG 5100.FAX number-of-retries-supported (note 6) PWG 5100.FAX This 2 items should not be included because there are individual upper limi= ts on retry number in each countries legally. For example, the following are from FCC68, line standard of North America: =A7 68.318 Additional limitations. (b) Registered terminal equipment with automatic dialing capability. (1) Au= tomatic dialing to any individual number is limited to two successive attem= pts. Automatic dialing equipment which employ means for detecting both busy= and reorder signals shall be permitted an additional 13 attempts if a busy= or reorder signal is encountered on each attempt. The dialer shall be unab= le to re-attempt a call to the same number for at least 60 minutes followin= g either the second or fifteenth successive attempt, whichever applies, unl= ess the dialer is reactivated by either manual or external means. This rule= does not apply to manually activated dialers that dial a number once follo= wing each activation. =B7 Line 406 Table 2 - Required Printer Description Attributes printer-fax-modem-info PWG 5100.FAX printer-fax-modem-name PWG 5100.FAX printer-fax-modem-number PWG 5100.FAX This 3 items seems to be unnecessary and should be deleted, No user needs t= o see this kind of modem info. =B7 Line 406 Table 2 - Required Printer Description Attributes retry-interval-default (note 6) PWG 5100.FAX retry-interval-supported (note 6) PWG 5100.FAX retry-timeout-default (note 6) PWG 5100.FAX retry-timeout-supported (note 6) PWG 5100.FAX This 3 items should not be included, Some countries assign a restriction fo= r automatic retry interval in consideration for avoiding the overload of th= eir switching devices. =B7 Line 656 7.2.6 retry-time-out (integer(1:MAX)) What is the difference between "7.2.6 retry-time-out (integer(1:MAX))" and = "7.2.5 retry-interval (integer(1:MAX))"? what is the reason both items are= needed? Best regards, Lida From: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org] On= Behalf Of Michael Sweet Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:42 AM To: PWG Announcements Inc. Subject: [Pwg-Announce] PWG Last Call of IPP FaxOut Service (05/01/13 to 06= /07/13) All, [This PWG Last Call starts today Wednesday May 1, 2013 and ends Friday June= 7, 2013 at 10pm US PST.] This is the formal announcement of the PWG Last Call for the IPP FaxOut Ser= vice specification, located at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippfaxout10-20130501.pdf All required attributes and values defined in this document have been proto= typed by Apple and/or other vendors. The IPP WG has completed extensive rev= iew of the various revisions of this document and an IPP WG last call. The PWG Process/3.0 requires that a quorum (30%) of PWG voting members must= acknowledge a PWG Last Call (with or without comments), before any documen= t can progress to PWG Formal Vote. This PWG Last Call is NOT a Formal Vote= but it DOES require your review acknowledgment. HOW TO RESPOND Send an email with *exactly* the following subject line format: Subject: has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and has [= no] comments WHERE TO SEND YOUR RESPONSE Please send your response to *all* of the following email addresses (replac= ing "dot" with '.' and "at" with '@'): ipp "at" pwg "dot" org (IPP WG mailing list - you must be subscribed!) blueroofmusic "at" gmail "dot" com (Ira McDonald, IPP WG Co-Chair) ptykodi "at" tykodi "dot" com (Paul Tykodi, IPP WG Co-Chair) msweet "at" apple "dot" com (Michael Sweet, IPP WG Secretary and IPP FaxOut= Editor) Note that you must be subscribed to the IPP WG mailing list to send email t= here - otherwise your email will be silently discarded. Please do NOT simply reply to this note on the PWG-Announce list. Note: The PWG Definition of the Standards Development Process Version 3.0 i= s located at: http://www.pwg.org/chair/membership_docs/pwg-process30.pdf _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --_000_9E0A2C000B94894B8DCBA9E1354112DB1D9B9258lisa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

All,

 <= /p>

The following are comment= s from Kyocera on IPP Faxout specification.

 <= /p>

=B7      &nbs= p;  Line 362. 4.1.4 J= ob History "IPP FaxOut Jobs MUST be retained for a minimum of 300 seco= nds."

 <= /p>

=B7      &nbs= p;  Line 406 Table 2 = - Required Printer Description Attributes

=B7      &nbs= p;  Line 406 Table 2 = - Required Printer Description Attributes

=B7      &nbs= p;  Line 406 Table 2 = - Required Printer Description Attributes

 <= /p>

=B7      &nbs= p;  Line 656 7.2.6 re= try-time-out (integer(1:MAX))

 <= /p>

Best regards,<= /span>

Lida

 <= /p>

From: pwg-anno= unce-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweet
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:42 AM
To: PWG Announcements Inc.
Subject: [Pwg-Announce] PWG Last Call of IPP FaxOut Service (05/01/1= 3 to 06/07/13)

 

All,

[This PWG Last Call starts today Wednesday May 1, 2013 and ends Friday June= 7, 2013 at 10pm US PST.]

This is the formal announcement of the PWG Last Call for the IPP FaxOut Ser= vice specification, located at:

       &n= bsp;    ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippfaxout10= -20130501.pdf

All required attributes and values defined in this document have been proto= typed by Apple and/or other vendors. The IPP WG has completed extensiv= e review of the various revisions of this document and an IPP WG last = call.

The PWG Process/3.0 requires that a quorum (30%) of PWG voting members must= acknowledge a PWG Last Call (with or without comments), before any do= cument can progress to PWG Formal Vote.  This PWG Last Call is NO= T a Formal Vote but it DOES require your review acknowledgment.


HOW TO RESPOND

Send an email with *exactly* the following subject line format:
Subject: <Company Name> has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and= has [no] comments


WHERE TO SEND YOUR RESPONSE

Please send your response to *all* of the following email addresses (replac= ing "dot" with '.' and "at" with '@'):

ipp "at" pwg "dot" org (IPP WG mailing list - you must = be subscribed!)
blueroofmusic "at" gmail "dot" com (Ira McDonald, IPP W= G Co-Chair)
ptykodi "at" tykodi "dot" com (Paul Tykodi, IPP WG Co-C= hair)
msweet "at" apple "dot" com (Michael Sweet, IPP WG Secr= etary and IPP FaxOut Editor)

Note that you must be subscribed to the IPP WG mailing list to send email t= here - otherwise your email will be silently discarded.

Please do NOT simply reply to this note on the PWG-Announce list.

Note: The PWG Definition of the Standards Development Process Version 3.0 i= s located at:

       &n= bsp;    http://www.pwg.org/chair/membership_docs/pwg-proc= ess30.pdf

____________________________________________________= _____
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair



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(5) Status of IPP Shared Infrastructure Extensions (Mike) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsix10-20130328.pdf - model issues from Cloud WG? (6) Next steps - IPP WG telecon on Monday 24 June - IPP WG telecon on Monday 8 July Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --047d7b10cee15bb22d04dec201e2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
Our next IPP WG call is this week Monday 10 Ju= ne 12-2pm US Pacific / 3-5pm US Eastern

Call-in toll-free number (US= /Canada): 1-866-469-3239
Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300= (Primary)
Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup)

Attendee Ac= cess Code: *******#
Attendee ID Code: # (empty)

-----------------= --------------------------------------
Meeting information
----------= ---------------------------------------------
Date: Every Monday, from Monday, July 9, 2012 to no end date
Time: 12:00= pm, Pacific Daylight Time (San Francisco)
Meeting Number: 624 587 312Meeting Password: pwg123
---------------------------------------------= ----------
To start or join the online meeting
------------------------------------= -------------------
Go to https://appleinc.webex.com/appleinc/j.php?ED=3D204995427&UID=3D504= 472682&PW=3DNNzM5MmRlMzBl&RT=3DMiM0
-------------------------------------------------------
Agenda:
(1) P= WG IP Policy and Minute Taker
- Mike

(2) Approve IPP minutes from= previous meeting
- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ip= pv2-f2f-minutes-20130516.pdf

(3) Status of IPP Paid Printing Extensions (Mike)
- ftp://ftp.pwg.or= g/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipppaid10-20130501-rev.pdf
- Apple prototype rep= ort posted

(4) Status of IPP Fax Out (Mike)
- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippfaxout10-20130501.pdf
- PWG Last Call - ended 7 June - quorum not achieved
- e= xtend PWG LC?

(5) Status of IPP Shared Infrast= ructure Extensions (Mike)
- model issues from Cloud WG?

(6) Next steps- IPP WG telecon on Monday 24 June
- IPP WG telecon on Mond= ay 8 July

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Op= en Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair -= IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP &a= mp; Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthincmailto:bluer= oofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094
Summer= =A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434


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X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1763) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrDLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUiOFN7rm6f1rZAg+M/DC2OfIu1WNe6mtmB yWPryR9sHvMWT2cKYIrisklJzcksSy3St0vgytg/7SJTwWW3innfLrI3MN6y6WLk5JAQMJG4 27yfGcIWk7hwbz1bFyMXh5BAL5PEjk/X2EESzAIJEnOvvgGzeQX0JH7/WQhmCwv4Sqy4/oYJ xGYTUJP4PamPFcTmFLCVaD65EizOIqAq0fjtGFA9B1CvjcSaHYYgYSEg88nW+WwgtoiAocSl Hw3sEDfISkx79JN5AiPvLCSbZyHZDBHXlli28DXzLKCpzAI6EpMXMqIKQ9gfzx9hWsDItopR oCg1J7HSXC+xoCAnVS85P3cTIygMGwpTdzA2Lrc6xCjAwajEw5vAuC1QiDWxrLgy9xCjBAez kgjvVyWgEG9KYmVValF+fFFpTmrxIUZpDhYlcd6owk2BQgLpiSWp2ampBalFMFkmDk6pBsZY c7sTBSqPTLZvsbY5vrhh+zuRftZbkTxMZv4ntD85rI+e2Kb7c2NZxZTpCz78Tb2W9Na/hXFD a8TLc2EpfxMzDizSZSl/3s1Qk3h7/lERY+nvS+9aPpnKPut3u/eJCwn34qTyZRJ2CKb6v65+ fj6k6d7fJ4E8n3O3LPB1y/nf8KF72vpk81YlluKMREMt5qLiRAC13RnkPwIAAA== X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Subject: [Pwg-Announce] EXTENDED: PWG Last Call of IPP FaxOut Service (05/01/13 to 06/28/13) X-BeenThere: pwg-announce@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Printer Working Group Announcement List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0350515202==" Sender: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 087F0791A5.AE217 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org --===============0350515202== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_xmL3ilLKZhyVHeLT1UM9Rg)" --Boundary_(ID_xmL3ilLKZhyVHeLT1UM9Rg) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT All, Because we have not yet reached quorum, we need to extend the PWG Last Call of the IPP FaxOut Service specification to Friday, June 28, 2013 at 10pm US PT. Thank you everyone that has already responded to the last call. If you have not yet provided your acknowledgement for the IPP FaxOut Service specification, please do so at your earliest convenience. Thank you! On May 1, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > All, > > [This PWG Last Call starts today Wednesday May 1, 2013 and ends Friday June 7, 2013 at 10pm US PST.] > > This is the formal announcement of the PWG Last Call for the IPP FaxOut Service specification, located at: > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippfaxout10-20130501.pdf > > All required attributes and values defined in this document have been prototyped by Apple and/or other vendors. The IPP WG has completed extensive review of the various revisions of this document and an IPP WG last call. > > The PWG Process/3.0 requires that a quorum (30%) of PWG voting members must acknowledge a PWG Last Call (with or without comments), before any document can progress to PWG Formal Vote. This PWG Last Call is NOT a Formal Vote but it DOES require your review acknowledgment. > > > HOW TO RESPOND > > Send an email with *exactly* the following subject line format: > Subject: has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and has [no] comments > > > WHERE TO SEND YOUR RESPONSE > > Please send your response to *all* of the following email addresses (replacing "dot" with '.' and "at" with '@'): > > ipp "at" pwg "dot" org (IPP WG mailing list - you must be subscribed!) > blueroofmusic "at" gmail "dot" com (Ira McDonald, IPP WG Co-Chair) > ptykodi "at" tykodi "dot" com (Paul Tykodi, IPP WG Co-Chair) > msweet "at" apple "dot" com (Michael Sweet, IPP WG Secretary and IPP FaxOut Editor) > > Note that you must be subscribed to the IPP WG mailing list to send email there - otherwise your email will be silently discarded. > > Please do NOT simply reply to this note on the PWG-Announce list. > > Note: The PWG Definition of the Standards Development Process Version 3.0 is located at: > > http://www.pwg.org/chair/membership_docs/pwg-process30.pdf > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > _______________________________________________ > pwg-announce mailing list > pwg-announce@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/pwg-announce _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_xmL3ilLKZhyVHeLT1UM9Rg) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable All,

Be= cause we have not yet reached quorum, we need to extend the PWG Last Call o= f the IPP FaxOut Service specification to Friday, June 28, 2013 at 10pm US = PT.

Thank you everyone that has already responded = to the last call.  If you have not yet provided your acknowledgement f= or the IPP FaxOut Service specification, please do so at your earliest conv= enience.

Thank you!


<= div>
On May 1, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

Al= l,

[This PWG Last Call starts today Wednesday May 1, 2013 and ends F= riday June 7, 2013 at 10pm US PST.]

This is the formal announce= ment of the PWG Last Call for the IPP FaxOut Service specification, lo= cated at:

= ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippfaxout10-20130501.pdf
All required attributes and values defined in this document have been pro= totyped by Apple and/or other vendors. The IPP WG has completed extens= ive review of the various revisions of this document and an IPP WG las= t call.

The PWG Process/3.0 requires that a quorum (30%) of PWG voti= ng members must acknowledge a PWG Last Call (with or without comments)= , before any document can progress to PWG Formal Vote.  This PWG = Last Call is NOT a Formal Vote but it DOES require your review acknowl= edgment.


HOW TO RESPOND

Send an email with *exactly* the = following subject line format:
Subject: <Company Name> has reviewe= d the IPP FaxOut specification and has [no] comments


WHERE TO SE= ND YOUR RESPONSE

Please send your response to *all* of the following= email addresses (replacing "dot" with '.' and "at" with '@'):

= ipp "at" pwg "dot" org (IPP WG mailing list - you must be subscribed!)
b= lueroofmusic "at" gmail "dot" com (Ira McDonald, IPP WG Co-Chair)
ptykod= i "at" tykodi "dot" com (Paul Tykodi, IPP WG Co-Chair)
msweet "at" apple= "dot" com (Michael Sweet, IPP WG Secretary and IPP FaxOut Editor)

N= ote that you must be subscribed to the IPP WG mailing list to send email th= ere - otherwise your email will be silently discarded.

Please d= o NOT simply reply to this note on the PWG-Announce list.

Note: The = PWG Definition of the Standards Development Process Version 3.0 is located = at:

htt= p://www.pwg.org/chair/membership_docs/pwg-process30.pdf

____________________= _____________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing Sys= tem Engineer, PWG Chair


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New action items: - Paul to post summary of finishing-template investigation to IPP WG list - Mike to issue PWG Last Call of IPP Paid Printing Extensions - Mike to extend IPP FaxOut Service Last Call to June 28 (DONE) _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Jun 10 13:13:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD20621F9A24 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 13:13:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.391 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.391 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.207, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cr9Af4ZrSvZP for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 13:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33EB421F9A29 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 13:12:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA7D791D8; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:12:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-ie0-f174.google.com (mail-ie0-f174.google.com [209.85.223.174]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D15ED791E2 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f174.google.com with SMTP id 9so2149909iec.19 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 13:11:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=dC0HgzSrnP7KXtrNocGgoaZS/zpbNQQ2wkws3kDEoFU=; b=vNe/ACQlv7jnz1BjeaCn/NwWXbr/kvQL01yVrekZGBALmIDJlPabdLinOgk/QwSwa0 wgirem4WwBKdO5jt7UvOr5vBtzDvolxNu6Nkx8L8gFAAQmiCVrlbf6pitQk762cCiseb z8+Gi2MUl0G27f6kfsP3ECKYW9arj/UHwncyPt1HvS++Hl7nzzfEN7cg92EJz6utqNyx tyjbSA+dJMeKh/Mx0x+AGYiQBoICvHNo5nlF7lo9Yd5fMkjozuqw3Qok9IasrHWj4FnN yW87r74PrWPjfDHqidnPs7ccHIQ3AcRcndjzIkhSKFkkVKfNJwb9QIWIT+EM87FG7xEO 2FJA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.79.205 with SMTP id s13mr4449882ick.41.1370895117326; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 13:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.13.137 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 13:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:11:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: Ira McDonald To: "ipp@pwg.org" , Paul Tykodi , Michael R Sweet , Ira McDonald X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: Subject: [IPP] High North has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and has no comments X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0475385828==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: CCA7D791D8.A869E X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============0475385828== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3011e3457e228f04ded2646b --20cf3011e3457e228f04ded2646b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, No comments - good job Mike! Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --20cf3011e3457e228f04ded2646b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Overall, I was concerned that "Extension for Paid Printing" is being extend= ed through 'finishings" while the concept of "paid-printing" is a business = or commerce notion and not a finishing step. While I need to study the doc= ument in more detail; how does the current paid-printing model support a pr= int job where a set of differently priced transform service are needed.=20= =20 Having recently reviewed the PrintTalk specification of JDF; this is an int= eresting model to explore for PWG (independent of just IPP) "paid-prinitng"= for several reason. Instead of modifying/extending JDF, PrintTalk wraps = JDF in a business transaction or commerce transaction. With it's relative= ly simple set API calls it supports very complex set of operations ranging = from Quoting, Notations, etc.; again with out modification to the print job= JDF. PrintTalk can itemize items and provide a quote for each item. And,= finally, PrintTalk is already widely used and deployed. PWG could creat= e a version of PrintTalk, called IppPrintTalk (or PrintTalkIpp or PrintTalk= Pwg) by simply replacing JDF with PWG (or IPP) in the existing PrintTalk sp= ecification. Now IPP stays the same while extending an existing "paid pri= nting" API and implementations which could be applied to any PWG model (Clo= ud?) Other comments on the specification itself The attribute "printer-charge-info-uri" is not defined in this document (pe= rhaps somewhere else). But my concern that a discussion about how a User i= s associated with a paid (payment) service is out-of-scope. Section 4.2 PIN/Passcode Printing Section 4.3 Release Printing I believe these sections are out-of-scope for paid-printing since there= is not "payment" requirement for these types of printing functionalities. Section 4.5 Job Review I believe this section is out-of-scope for paid-printing. "Job Review"= could be applied to any print scenario and not specific relevance to paid-= printing. In fact, if a User submits a print job for (100,000 copies) and= payment is confirmed; then print the 100,000 copies.=20=20=20 (Mike I assume specification are written to American English notation so 10= 0.000 should be 100,000?) glen --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CE6624.1377753E Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comments and Idea for paid printing

Hello

As with the IPP FaxOut, I have unable to review the IPP Paid Printing docum= ent until now.

Overall, I was concerned that "Extension for Paid Printing" is be= ing extended through 'finishings" while the concept of "paid-prin= ting" is a business or commerce notion and not a finishing step. = While I need to study the document in more detail; how does the current pa= id-printing model support a print job where a set of differently priced tra= nsform service are needed. 

Having recently reviewed the PrintTalk specification of JDF; this is an int= eresting model to explore for PWG (independent of just IPP) "paid-prin= itng" for several reason.   Instead of modifying/extending J= DF, PrintTalk wraps JDF in a business transaction or commerce transaction.&= nbsp;  With it's relatively simple set API calls it supports very comp= lex set of operations ranging from Quoting, Notations, etc.; again with out= modification to the print job JDF.  PrintTalk can itemize items and p= rovide a quote for each item.  And, finally, PrintTalk is already wide= ly used and deployed.    PWG could create a version of Print= Talk, called IppPrintTalk (or PrintTalkIpp or PrintTalkPwg) by simply repla= cing JDF with PWG (or IPP) in the existing PrintTalk specification. &n= bsp; Now IPP stays the same while extending an existing "paid printing= " API and implementations which could be applied to any PWG model (Clo= ud?)

Other comments on the specification itself

The attribute "printer-charge-info-uri" is not defined in this do= cument (perhaps somewhere else).  But my concern that a discussion abo= ut how a User is associated with a paid (payment) service is out-of-scope.<= BR>

Section 4.2 PIN/Passcode Printing
Section 4.3 Release Printing
    I believe these sections are out-of-scope for paid-print= ing since there is not "payment" requirement for these types of p= rinting functionalities.

Section 4.5 Job Review
    I believe this section is out-of-scope for paid-printing= .  "Job Review" could be applied to any print scenario and n= ot specific relevance to paid-printing.   In fact, if a User subm= its a print job for (100,000 copies) and payment is confirmed; then print t= he 100,000 copies.  

(Mike I assume specification are written to American English notation so 10= 0.000 should be 100,000?)

 glen


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While I did dump some additional finishing values in there since they are generally needed when specifying print intent to a third-party print service, they aren't the focus and I have no problem pulling those out and introducing them with the additions for the finishings-col attribute. The core meat of the spec is in defining a simple transactional model for printing. The transactions may be for money, for internal accounting/metrics, for output tracking. Perhaps the name should be "IPP Transactional Printing Extensions", but we aren't just talking print-for-cash here. The rest is supporting material to ensure that common use cases can be satisfied. > While I need to study the document in more detail; how does the current paid-printing model support a print job where a set of differently priced transform service are needed. > The extensions don't expose the itemized pricing, but rather address a more general "I want to print X, here are my credentials, please pre-approve me". As in prior trips down this path, we are avoiding any notion of describing currency, pricing, or billing, but instead are focusing on the transaction itself: how can a client say "I want to do the following work", get back an authorization for that work (generally tied to the supplied job ticket and document format in some way, e.g., a hash), and then submit a job and documents associated with that authorization? > Having recently reviewed the PrintTalk specification of JDF; this is an interesting model to explore for PWG (independent of just IPP) "paid-prinitng" for several reason. Instead of modifying/extending JDF, PrintTalk wraps JDF in a business transaction or commerce transaction. With it's relatively simple set API calls it supports very complex set of operations ranging from Quoting, Notations, etc.; again with out modification to the print job JDF. PrintTalk can itemize items and provide a quote for each item. And, finally, PrintTalk is already widely used and deployed. > This is interesting for a number of reasons; first, until you mentioned it I had never heard of PrintTalk - if it is widely implemented and supported, there is very little mention of it online (I see a bunch of press releases in 2003 and 2004, and possibly one company - PrintTalk Ltd) and nobody (that I can find) selling or developing PrintTalk-based solutions. I also found this article: http://www.piworld.com/article/in-search-printtalk-jdf-mcilroy-18362/1 I'm happy to be wrong here, but so far I'm not sold on PrintTalk. But moreover, in looking at the specification it is far beyond the scope of anything we have ever wanted to do, collectively, for paid printing services. It deals with currencies and itemized costs. It passes around credit card information and other payment information. And it looks to be a fairly complicated service of its own separate from the actual print service. That said, the basics of the RFQ/Quote and PurchaseOrder/Invoice pairs match the model outlined in the IPP Paid Printing Extensions, and in fact an IPP Printer *could* very easily map the IPP Job Ticket, user, and authorization information to PrintTalk transactions. But that would be an implementation detail that I would not want to enforce in this document. > PWG could create a version of PrintTalk, called IppPrintTalk (or PrintTalkIpp or PrintTalkPwg) by simply replacing JDF with PWG (or IPP) in the existing PrintTalk specification. Now IPP stays the same while extending an existing "paid printing" API and implementations which could be applied to any PWG model (Cloud?) > Except that we don't have the data types for currencies, don't have the security model for handling credit cards, and IMHO don't want to limit ourselves to the cash-based reprographic work order process that PrintTalk appears to be based on. > Other comments on the specification itself > > The attribute "printer-charge-info-uri" is not defined in this document (perhaps somewhere else). But my concern that a discussion about how a User is associated with a paid (payment) service is out-of-scope. > printer-charge-info-uri was defined in JPS3. It and printer-charge-info tell the Client that the Printer is not "free" (for some value or definition of "free"). As for not associating a User with a payment service, that is what the job-authorization-uri is for. It identifies the pairing of the user to a job ticket and document (format). The Client gets an authorization URI by sending a Validate-Job operation (RFQ in PrintTalk), whose response (the Quote in PrintTalk) contains the authorization URI (Authorization in PrintTalk). The Client then sends a job creation request (Create-Job/Print-Job/Print-URI) with the authorization (PurchaseOrder in PrintTalk), and the transaction information (charges) is recorded in the Job's job-charge-info and other Job Description attributes (the Invoice in PrintTalk). > Section 4.2 PIN/Passcode Printing > Section 4.3 Release Printing > I believe these sections are out-of-scope for paid-printing since there is not "payment" requirement for these types of printing functionalities. > PIN printing is often enforced by an organization's infrastructure, and metrics are collected as jobs are released at the printer using the PIN. This allows for correct departmental billing of services (no billing if nobody enters the PIN at the printer...) Similarly, release printing may involve different costs depending on which printer is used at print time. Again, existing solutions collect metrics and perform billing at time-of-print. Both may or may not be combined with a transaction identifier (the job-authorization-uri) but are still considered transactions and often involve some form of payment. > Section 4.5 Job Review > I believe this section is out-of-scope for paid-printing. "Job Review" could be applied to any print scenario and not specific relevance to paid-printing. In fact, if a User submits a print job for (100,000 copies) and payment is confirmed; then print the 100,000 copies. > This section came out of WG discussions (that you were present at) of likely things that a Printer or authorization service might do before providing an authorization URI or printing a Job. While it certainly is not limited to paid or transactional printing, Job Review *is* IMHO specifically relevant to it (companies have been sued for facilitating the mistakes made by their customers) and we have never held ourselves to a standard of "must be only needed for the specific use cases or title of the document". > (Mike I assume specification are written to American English notation so 100.000 should be 100,000?) > Looks like a comma in my copy of the document, but I can just remove it (100000) or use words for a really big value ("print one million copies of a brochure") for clarity. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_FSby5OLG8agK0WaPc9wnXQ) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Glen,

= On Jun 10, 2013, at 5:47 PM, "Petrie, Glen" <glen.petrie@eitc.epson.com> wrote:
Comments and Idea for paid printing

Hello

As with the IPP FaxOut, I have unable to review the IPP Paid Printing docum= ent until now.

Overall, I was concerned that "Extension for Paid Printing" is being extend= ed through 'finishings" while the concept of "paid-printing" is a business = or commerce notion and not a finishing step.

<= div dir=3D"auto">Well, no.  While I did dump some additional finishing= values in there since they are generally needed when specifying print inte= nt to a third-party print service, they aren't the focus and I have no prob= lem pulling those out and introducing them with the additions for the finis= hings-col attribute.

The core meat of the spec is in de= fining a simple transactional model for printing. The transactions may be f= or money, for internal accounting/metrics, for output tracking. Perhaps the= name should be "IPP Transactional Printing Extensions", but we aren't just= talking print-for-cash here.  The rest is supporting material to ensu= re that common use cases can be satisfied.

While I need to study the document in more det= ail; how does the current paid-printing model support a print job where a s= et of differently priced transform service are needed. 

=
The extensions don't expose the itemized pricing, b= ut rather address a more general "I want to print X, here are my credential= s, please pre-approve me".  As in prior trips down this path, we are a= voiding any notion of describing currency, pricing, or billing, but instead= are focusing on the transaction itself: how can a client say "I want to do= the following work", get back an authorization for that work (generally ti= ed to the supplied job ticket and document format in some way, e.g., a hash= ), and then submit a job and documents associated with that authorization?<= /div>

Having recently rev= iewed the PrintTalk specification of JDF; this is an interesting model to e= xplore for PWG (independent of just IPP) "paid-prinitng" for several reason= .   Instead of modifying/extending JDF, PrintTalk wraps JDF in a = business transaction or commerce transaction.   With it's relativ= ely simple set API calls it supports very complex set of operations ranging= from Quoting, Notations, etc.; again with out modification to the print jo= b JDF.  PrintTalk can itemize items and provide a quote for each item.=   And, finally, PrintTalk is already widely used and deployed.<= /p>

This is interesting for a number of reasons; fir= st, until you mentioned it I had never heard of PrintTalk - if it is widely= implemented and supported, there is very little mention of it online (I se= e a bunch of press releases in 2003 and 2004, and possibly one company - Pr= intTalk Ltd) and nobody (that I can find) selling or developing PrintTalk-b= ased solutions.  I also found this article:


I'm happy to be wrong here, b= ut so far I'm not sold on PrintTalk.

But moreover,= in looking at the specification it is far beyond the scope of anything we = have ever wanted to do, collectively, for paid printing services.  It = deals with currencies and itemized costs.  It passes around credit car= d information and other payment information. And it looks to be a fairly co= mplicated service of its own separate from the actual print service.
<= div>
That said, the basics of the RFQ/Quote and PurchaseOrder= /Invoice pairs match the model outlined in the IPP Paid Printing Extensions= , and in fact an IPP Printer *could* very easily map the IPP Job Ticket, us= er, and authorization information to PrintTalk transactions. But that would= be an implementation detail that I would not want to enforce in this docum= ent.

  &n= bsp; PWG could create a version of PrintTalk, called IppPrintTalk (or Print= TalkIpp or PrintTalkPwg) by simply replacing JDF with PWG (or IPP) in the e= xisting PrintTalk specification.   Now IPP stays the same while e= xtending an existing "paid printing" API and implementations which could be= applied to any PWG model (Cloud?)

Ex= cept that we don't have the data types for currencies, don't have the secur= ity model for handling credit cards, and IMHO don't want to limit ourselves= to the cash-based reprographic work order process that PrintTalk appears t= o be based on.

Othe= r comments on the specification itself

The attribute "printer-charge-info-uri" is not defined in this document (pe= rhaps somewhere else).  But my concern that a discussion about how a U= ser is associated with a paid (payment) service is out-of-scope.

=
printer-charge-info-uri was defined in JPS3.  It an= d printer-charge-info tell the Client that the Printer is not "free" (for s= ome value or definition of "free").

As for not ass= ociating a User with a payment service, that is what the job-authorization-= uri is for.  It identifies the pairing of the user to a job ticket and= document (format).  The Client gets an authorization URI by sending a= Validate-Job operation (RFQ in PrintTalk), whose response (the Quote in Pr= intTalk) contains the authorization URI (Authorization in PrintTalk).  = ;The Client then sends a job creation request (Create-Job/Print-Job/Print-U= RI) with the authorization (PurchaseOrder in PrintTalk), and the transactio= n information (charges) is recorded in the Job's job-charge-info and other = Job Description attributes (the Invoice in PrintTalk).

Section 4.2 PIN/Passcode Printing<= br> Section 4.3 Release Printing
    I believe these sections are out-of-scope for paid-print= ing since there is not "payment" requirement for these types of printing fu= nctionalities.

PIN printing is often = enforced by an organization's infrastructure, and metrics are collected as = jobs are released at the printer using the PIN.  This allows for corre= ct departmental billing of services (no billing if nobody enters the PIN at= the printer...)

Similarly, release printing may i= nvolve different costs depending on which printer is used at print time. &n= bsp;Again, existing solutions collect metrics and perform billing at time-o= f-print.

Both may or may not be combined with a tr= ansaction identifier (the job-authorization-uri) but are still considered t= ransactions and often involve some form of payment.

Section 4.5 Job Review
    I believe this section is out-of-scope for paid-printing= .  "Job Review" could be applied to any print scenario and not specifi= c relevance to paid-printing.   In fact, if a User submits a prin= t job for (100,000 copies) and payment is confirmed; then print the 100,000= copies. 

This section came out of W= G discussions (that you were present at) of likely things that a Printer or= authorization service might do before providing an authorization URI or pr= inting a Job.  While it certainly is not limited to paid or transactio= nal printing, Job Review *is* IMHO specifically relevant to it (companies h= ave been sued for facilitating the mistakes made by their customers) and we= have never held ourselves to a standard of "must be only needed for the sp= ecific use cases or title of the document".
=

(Mike I assume specification are written to American English notation so 10= 0.000 should be 100,000?)

Looks like = a comma in my copy of the document, but I can just remove it (100000) or us= e words for a really big value ("print one million copies of a brochure") f= or clarity.

_________________________________________________________Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > Glen, > > On Jun 10, 2013, at 5:47 PM, "Petrie, Glen" > wrote: > > Hello > > As with the IPP FaxOut, I have unable to review the IPP Paid Printing > document until now. > > Overall, I was concerned that "Extension for Paid Printing" is being > extended through 'finishings" while the concept of "paid-printing" is a > business or commerce notion and not a finishing step. > > Well, no. While I did dump some additional finishing values in there > since they are generally needed when specifying print intent to a > third-party print service, they aren't the focus and I have no problem > pulling those out and introducing them with the additions for the > finishings-col attribute. > > The core meat of the spec is in defining a simple transactional model for > printing. The transactions may be for money, for internal > accounting/metrics, for output tracking. Perhaps the name should be "IPP > Transactional Printing Extensions", but we aren't just talking > print-for-cash here. The rest is supporting material to ensure that common > use cases can be satisfied. > > While I need to study the document in more detail; how does the current > paid-printing model support a print job where a set of differently priced > transform service are needed. > > The extensions don't expose the itemized pricing, but rather address a > more general "I want to print X, here are my credentials, please > pre-approve me". As in prior trips down this path, we are avoiding any > notion of describing currency, pricing, or billing, but instead are > focusing on the transaction itself: how can a client say "I want to do the > following work", get back an authorization for that work (generally tied to > the supplied job ticket and document format in some way, e.g., a hash), and > then submit a job and documents associated with that authorization? > > Having recently reviewed the PrintTalk specification of JDF; this is an > interesting model to explore for PWG (independent of just IPP) > "paid-prinitng" for several reason. Instead of modifying/extending JDF, > PrintTalk wraps JDF in a business transaction or commerce transaction. > With it's relatively simple set API calls it supports very complex set of > operations ranging from Quoting, Notations, etc.; again with out > modification to the print job JDF. PrintTalk can itemize items and provide > a quote for each item. And, finally, PrintTalk is already widely used and > deployed. > > This is interesting for a number of reasons; first, until you mentioned it > I had never heard of PrintTalk - if it is widely implemented and supported, > there is very little mention of it online (I see a bunch of press releases > in 2003 and 2004, and possibly one company - PrintTalk Ltd) and nobody > (that I can find) selling or developing PrintTalk-based solutions. I also > found this article: > > http://www.piworld.com/article/in-search-printtalk-jdf-mcilroy-18362/1 > > I'm happy to be wrong here, but so far I'm not sold on PrintTalk. > > But moreover, in looking at the specification it is far beyond the scope > of anything we have ever wanted to do, collectively, for paid printing > services. It deals with currencies and itemized costs. It passes around > credit card information and other payment information. And it looks to be a > fairly complicated service of its own separate from the actual print > service. > > That said, the basics of the RFQ/Quote and PurchaseOrder/Invoice pairs > match the model outlined in the IPP Paid Printing Extensions, and in fact > an IPP Printer *could* very easily map the IPP Job Ticket, user, and > authorization information to PrintTalk transactions. But that would be an > implementation detail that I would not want to enforce in this document. > > PWG could create a version of PrintTalk, called IppPrintTalk (or > PrintTalkIpp or PrintTalkPwg) by simply replacing JDF with PWG (or IPP) in > the existing PrintTalk specification. Now IPP stays the same while > extending an existing "paid printing" API and implementations which could > be applied to any PWG model (Cloud?) > > Except that we don't have the data types for currencies, don't have the > security model for handling credit cards, and IMHO don't want to limit > ourselves to the cash-based reprographic work order process that PrintTalk > appears to be based on. > > Other comments on the specification itself > > The attribute "printer-charge-info-uri" is not defined in this document > (perhaps somewhere else). But my concern that a discussion about how a > User is associated with a paid (payment) service is out-of-scope. > > printer-charge-info-uri was defined in JPS3. It and printer-charge-info > tell the Client that the Printer is not "free" (for some value or > definition of "free"). > > As for not associating a User with a payment service, that is what the > job-authorization-uri is for. It identifies the pairing of the user to a > job ticket and document (format). The Client gets an authorization URI by > sending a Validate-Job operation (RFQ in PrintTalk), whose response (the > Quote in PrintTalk) contains the authorization URI (Authorization in > PrintTalk). The Client then sends a job creation request > (Create-Job/Print-Job/Print-URI) with the authorization (PurchaseOrder in > PrintTalk), and the transaction information (charges) is recorded in the > Job's job-charge-info and other Job Description attributes (the Invoice in > PrintTalk). > > Section 4.2 PIN/Passcode Printing > Section 4.3 Release Printing > I believe these sections are out-of-scope for paid-printing since > there is not "payment" requirement for these types of printing > functionalities. > > PIN printing is often enforced by an organization's infrastructure, and > metrics are collected as jobs are released at the printer using the PIN. > This allows for correct departmental billing of services (no billing if > nobody enters the PIN at the printer...) > > Similarly, release printing may involve different costs depending on which > printer is used at print time. Again, existing solutions collect metrics > and perform billing at time-of-print. > > Both may or may not be combined with a transaction identifier (the > job-authorization-uri) but are still considered transactions and often > involve some form of payment. > > Section 4.5 Job Review > I believe this section is out-of-scope for paid-printing. "Job > Review" could be applied to any print scenario and not specific relevance > to paid-printing. In fact, if a User submits a print job for (100,000 > copies) and payment is confirmed; then print the 100,000 copies. > > This section came out of WG discussions (that you were present at) of > likely things that a Printer or authorization service might do before > providing an authorization URI or printing a Job. While it certainly is > not limited to paid or transactional printing, Job Review *is* IMHO > specifically relevant to it (companies have been sued for facilitating the > mistakes made by their customers) and we have never held ourselves to a > standard of "must be only needed for the specific use cases or title of the > document". > > (Mike I assume specification are written to American English notation so > 100.000 should be 100,000?) > > Looks like a comma in my copy of the document, but I can just remove it > (100000) or use words for a really big value ("print one million copies of > a brochure") for clarity. > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --089e013c61e07cda3f04dfab8f00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mike,

I like taking "Paid&q= uot; out of the title of this spec - you're right about the wider scope= .

Cheers,
- Ira


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On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Michael= Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
Glen,

On Jun 10, 2013, at 5:47 PM, "Petrie, Glen" <glen.petrie@eitc.epson.co= m> wrote:

Hello

As with the IPP FaxOut, I have unable to review the IPP Paid Printing docum= ent until now.

Overall, I was concerned that "Extension for Paid Printing" is be= ing extended through 'finishings" while the concept of "paid-= printing" is a business or commerce notion and not a finishing step.

Well, no. =A0While I did dump so= me additional finishing values in there since they are generally needed whe= n specifying print intent to a third-party print service, they aren't t= he focus and I have no problem pulling those out and introducing them with = the additions for the finishings-col attribute.

The core meat of the spec is in defining a simple transactio= nal model for printing. The transactions may be for money, for internal acc= ounting/metrics, for output tracking. Perhaps the name should be "IPP = Transactional Printing Extensions", but we aren't just talking pri= nt-for-cash here. =A0The rest is supporting material to ensure that common = use cases can be satisfied.

While I need= to study the document in more detail; how does the current paid-printing m= odel support a print job where a set of differently priced transform servic= e are needed.=A0

The extensions don't expose th= e itemized pricing, but rather address a more general "I want to print= X, here are my credentials, please pre-approve me". =A0As in prior tr= ips down this path, we are avoiding any notion of describing currency, pric= ing, or billing, but instead are focusing on the transaction itself: how ca= n a client say "I want to do the following work", get back an aut= horization for that work (generally tied to the supplied job ticket and doc= ument format in some way, e.g., a hash), and then submit a job and document= s associated with that authorization?

Having recently r= eviewed the PrintTalk specification of JDF; this is an interesting model to= explore for PWG (independent of just IPP) "paid-prinitng" for se= veral reason.=A0=A0 Instead of modifying/extending JDF, PrintTalk wraps JDF= in a business transaction or commerce transaction.=A0=A0 With it's rel= atively simple set API calls it supports very complex set of operations ran= ging from Quoting, Notations, etc.; again with out modification to the prin= t job JDF.=A0 PrintTalk can itemize items and provide a quote for each item= .=A0 And, finally, PrintTalk is already widely used and deployed.

This is interesting for a number of reasons; = first, until you mentioned it I had never heard of PrintTalk - if it is wid= ely implemented and supported, there is very little mention of it online (I= see a bunch of press releases in 2003 and 2004, and possibly one company -= PrintTalk Ltd) and nobody (that I can find) selling or developing PrintTal= k-based solutions. =A0I also found this article:


<= div> I'm happy to be wrong here, but so far I'm not sold on PrintTalk.

But moreover, in looking at the specification it is= far beyond the scope of anything we have ever wanted to do, collectively, = for paid printing services. =A0It deals with currencies and itemized costs.= =A0It passes around credit card information and other payment information.= And it looks to be a fairly complicated service of its own separate from t= he actual print service.

That said, the basics of the RFQ/Quote and PurchaseOrde= r/Invoice pairs match the model outlined in the IPP Paid Printing Extension= s, and in fact an IPP Printer *could* very easily map the IPP Job Ticket, u= ser, and authorization information to PrintTalk transactions. But that woul= d be an implementation detail that I would not want to enforce in this docu= ment.

=A0=A0=A0 PWG cou= ld create a version of PrintTalk, called IppPrintTalk (or PrintTalkIpp or P= rintTalkPwg) by simply replacing JDF with PWG (or IPP) in the existing Prin= tTalk specification.=A0=A0 Now IPP stays the same while extending an existi= ng "paid printing" API and implementations which could be applied= to any PWG model (Cloud?)

Except that we don't have the = data types for currencies, don't have the security model for handling c= redit cards, and IMHO don't want to limit ourselves to the cash-based r= eprographic work order process that PrintTalk appears to be based on.

Other comments on= the specification itself

The attribute "printer-charge-info-uri" is not defined in this do= cument (perhaps somewhere else).=A0 But my concern that a discussion about = how a User is associated with a paid (payment) service is out-of-scope.

printer-charge-info-uri was defined in JPS3. =A0It= and printer-charge-info tell the Client that the Printer is not "free= " (for some value or definition of "free").

As for not associating a User with a payment service, that is wh= at the job-authorization-uri is for. =A0It identifies the pairing of the us= er to a job ticket and document (format). =A0The Client gets an authorizati= on URI by sending a Validate-Job operation (RFQ in PrintTalk), whose respon= se (the Quote in PrintTalk) contains the authorization URI (Authorization i= n PrintTalk). =A0The Client then sends a job creation request (Create-Job/P= rint-Job/Print-URI) with the authorization (PurchaseOrder in PrintTalk), an= d the transaction information (charges) is recorded in the Job's job-ch= arge-info and other Job Description attributes (the Invoice in PrintTalk).<= /div>

Section 4.2 = PIN/Passcode Printing
Section 4.3 Release Printing
=A0=A0=A0 I believe these sections are out-of-scope for paid-printing since= there is not "payment" requirement for these types of printing f= unctionalities.

PIN printing is= often enforced by an organization's infrastructure, and metrics are co= llected as jobs are released at the printer using the PIN. =A0This allows f= or correct departmental billing of services (no billing if nobody enters th= e PIN at the printer...)

Similarly, release printing may involve different costs= depending on which printer is used at print time. =A0Again, existing solut= ions collect metrics and perform billing at time-of-print.

Both may or may not be combined with a transaction identifier (t= he job-authorization-uri) but are still considered transactions and often i= nvolve some form of payment.

Section 4.5 Job Review
=A0=A0=A0 I believe this section is out-of-scope for paid-printing.=A0 &quo= t;Job Review" could be applied to any print scenario and not specific = relevance to paid-printing.=A0=A0 In fact, if a User submits a print job fo= r (100,000 copies) and payment is confirmed; then print the 100,000 copies.= =A0

This section came out of WG discussions (that= you were present at) of likely things that a Printer or authorization serv= ice might do before providing an authorization URI or printing a Job. =A0Wh= ile it certainly is not limited to paid or transactional printing, Job Revi= ew *is* IMHO specifically relevant to it (companies have been sued for faci= litating the mistakes made by their customers) and we have never held ourse= lves to a standard of "must be only needed for the specific use cases = or title of the document".

(Mike I assume specification are written to American English notation so 10= 0.000 should be 100,000?)

Looks= like a comma in my copy of the document, but I can just remove it (100000)= or use words for a really big value ("print one million copies of a b= rochure") for clarity.

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet,= Senior Printing System=A0Engineer, PWG Chair


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I= have posted an updated stable draft of the IPP Transactional Printing Exte= nsions (formerly the IPP Paid Printing Extensions) to:

=
Aside from the name change and some template changes, I'v= e added additional terms, explanatory text, and references (including an in= formative reference to CIP4's PrintTalk specification) to hopefully allay a= ny confusion and tie everything together cleanly.

=
____________= _____________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Prin= ting System Engineer, PWG Chair


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"Transactional Printing" has for a very, very long time meant the "printing of voices, bills, statements, notices, checks, letters, etc.". While I have noted that it is not uncommon for PWG to "extent" the meaning of terms; might I suggest "Transaction" versus Transactional to avoid confusion. =20 Glen =20 =20 ________________________________ From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweet Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 8:17 AM To: ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Updated draft of IPP Transactional Printing Extensions (formerly Paid Printing Extensions) =20 All, =20 I have posted an updated stable draft of the IPP Transactional Printing Extensions (formerly the IPP Paid Printing Extensions) to: =20 ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipptrans10-20130624.docx ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipptrans10-20130624.pdf ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipptrans10-20130624-rev.pdf =20 Aside from the name change and some template changes, I've added additional terms, explanatory text, and references (including an informative reference to CIP4's PrintTalk specification) to hopefully allay any confusion and tie everything together cleanly. =20 _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair =20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 dangerous content by MailScanner , and is believed to be clean.=20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CE70F6.E551554A Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mike

 

I was a little surprised at your new title.  "Transactional Printing" has for a very, very long t= ime meant the "printing of voices, bills, statements, notices, checks, letters, etc.".    While I have noted that it is= not uncommon for PWG to "extent" the meaning of terms; might I suggest "Transaction" versus Transactional to avoid confusion.=

 

Glen

 

 

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweet
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 = 8:17 AM
To: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: [IPP] Updated draft= of IPP Transactional Printing Extensions (formerly Paid Printing Extensions)

 

All,

 

I have posted an updated stable draft of the IPP Transactional Prin= ting Extensions (formerly the IPP Paid Printing Extensions) to:

 

 

Aside from the name change and some template changes, I've added additional terms, explanatory text, and references (including an informative reference to CIP4's PrintTalk specification) to hopefully allay any confusi= on and tie everything together cleanly.

 

__________= _______________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair

 


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But the only term I've ever seen used for printing phone bills, et al, is "variable data printing" which is very different from transaction-based. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote: > Mike**** > > ** ** > > I was a little surprised at your new title. "Transactional Printing" has > for a very, very long time meant the "printing of voices, bills, > statements, notices, checks, letters, etc.". While I have noted that > it is not uncommon for PWG to "extent" the meaning of terms; might I > suggest "Transaction" versus Transactional to avoid confusion.**** > > ** ** > > Glen**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] *On Behalf Of *Michael > Sweet > *Sent:* Monday, June 24, 2013 8:17 AM > *To:* ipp@pwg.org > *Subject:* [IPP] Updated draft of IPP Transactional Printing Extensions > (formerly Paid Printing Extensions)**** > > ** ** > > All,**** > > ** ** > > I have posted an updated stable draft of the IPP Transactional Printing > Extensions (formerly the IPP Paid Printing Extensions) to:**** > > ** ** > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipptrans10-20130624.docx**** > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipptrans10-20130624.pdf**** > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipptrans10-20130624-rev.pdf**** > > ** ** > > Aside from the name change and some template changes, I've added > additional terms, explanatory text, and references (including an > informative reference to CIP4's PrintTalk specification) to hopefully allay > any confusion and tie everything together cleanly.**** > > ** ** > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair**** > > ** ** > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. **** > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --20cf3074b02c8f624d04dfe90f62 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I'm happier = w/ simple "Transaction".

But the only term I've = ever seen used for printing phone bills, et al, is
"variable = data printing" which is very different from transaction-based.

Cheers,
- Ira
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Hi,
<= br>
No time for a pretty agenda.=A0 Please use the regular
I= PP conference bridge and WebEx.

(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute T= aker

(2) Approve previous minutes (10 June 2013)

(3) Stat= us of various IPP specs

(4) Review of updated IPP Transaction(= al) Printing draft

(5) Next steps
- IPP WG telecon on= Monday 8 July 2013

Cheers,
- Ira

<= div>
Ira McDonald (Musician / Softwa= re Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - I= EEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solution= s WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert = - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthincmailto:bluer= oofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094
Summer= =A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434


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"IPP Transaction-Based Printing Extensions"??? On 2013-06-24, at 12:20 PM, "Petrie, Glen" wrote: > Mike > > I was a little surprised at your new title. "Transactional Printing" has for a very, very long time meant the "printing of voices, bills, statements, notices, checks, letters, etc.". While I have noted that it is not uncommon for PWG to "extent" the meaning of terms; might I suggest "Transaction" versus Transactional to avoid confusion. > > Glen > > > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweet > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 8:17 AM > To: ipp@pwg.org > Subject: [IPP] Updated draft of IPP Transactional Printing Extensions (formerly Paid Printing Extensions) > > All, > > I have posted an updated stable draft of the IPP Transactional Printing Extensions (formerly the IPP Paid Printing Extensions) to: > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipptrans10-20130624.docx > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipptrans10-20130624.pdf > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipptrans10-20130624-rev.pdf > > Aside from the name change and some template changes, I've added additional terms, explanatory text, and references (including an informative reference to CIP4's PrintTalk specification) to hopefully allay any confusion and tie everything together cleanly. > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_NB7OcLjs4sfnugUw18cIeg) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable "IPP Transaction Printing Extensions" doesn't help; in fact, it makes m= e think specifically of bills, statements, etc...

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On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Petrie= , Glen <glen.petrie@eitc.epson.com> wrote:

Mike=

=A0<= /u>

I was a little= surprised at your new title.=A0 "Transactional Printing" has for a very, very long time meant the "printing of voices, bills, statements, notices, checks, letters, etc.".=A0 =A0=A0While I have noted that it is not uncommon for PWG to "extent" the meaning of terms; might I suggest "Transaction" versus Transactional to avoid confusion.<= /u>

=A0<= /u>

Glen=

=A0<= /u>

=A0<= /u>

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.or= g [mailto:ipp-= bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweet
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 = 8:17 AM
To: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: [IPP] Updated draft= of IPP Transactional Printing Extensions (formerly Paid Printing Extensions)

=A0

All,

=A0

I have posted an updated stable draft of the IPP Tra= nsactional Printing Extensions (formerly the IPP Paid Printing Extensions) to:

=A0

=A0

Aside from the name change and some template changes= , I've added additional terms, explanatory text, and references (including an informative reference to CIP4's PrintTalk specification) to hopefully allay any con= fusion and tie everything together cleanly.

=A0

____= _____________________________________________________
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=A0


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On 2013-06-24, at 12:20 PM, "Petrie, Glen" <glen.petrie@eitc.epson.com> wrote:

Mike
 
I was a little surprised at your new title.  "Tra= nsactional Printing" has for a very, very long time meant the "printing of = voices, bills, statements, notices, checks, letters, etc.".  &n= bsp; While I have noted that it is not uncommon for PWG to "extent" th= e meaning of terms; might I suggest "Transaction" versus Transactional to a= void confusion.
 
Glen
 
 =
From:=  ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of = Michael Sweet
Sent: Monday, June 24,= 2013 8:17 AM
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Subject: [IPP] Updated draft of IPP Transactional Pr= inting Extensions (formerly Paid Printing Extensions)
 
<= font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman">= All,
 
I have posted an updated stable draft o= f the IPP Transactional Printing Extensions (formerly the IPP Paid Printing= Extensions) to:
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_= ________________________________________________________
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"Transactional Printing" has for a very, very long time meant the "printing of voices, bills, statements, notices, checks, letters, etc.". While I have noted that it is not uncommon for PWG to "extent" the meaning of terms; might I suggest "Transaction" versus Transactional to avoid confusion. =20 Glen =20 =20 ________________________________ From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweet Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 8:17 AM To: ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Updated draft of IPP Transactional Printing Extensions (formerly Paid Printing Extensions) =20 All, =20 I have posted an updated stable draft of the IPP Transactional Printing Extensions (formerly the IPP Paid Printing Extensions) to: =20 ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipptrans10-20130624.docx ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipptrans10-20130624.pdf ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipptrans10-20130624-rev.pdf =20 Aside from the name change and some template changes, I've added additional terms, explanatory text, and references (including an informative reference to CIP4's PrintTalk specification) to hopefully allay any confusion and tie everything together cleanly. =20 _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair =20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 dangerous content by MailScanner , and is believed to be clean. =20 _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair =20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CE710C.E4B7B088 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

How about what it is " Print for Pay"

 

From: Michael = Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 = 11:40 AM
To: Petrie, Glen
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] Updated d= raft of IPP Transactional Printing Extensions (formerly Paid Printing Extensions= )

 

"IPP Transaction Printing Extensions" doesn't help; in fa= ct, it makes me think specifically of bills, statements, etc...

 

"IPP Transaction-Based Printing Extensions"???=

 

 

On 2013-06-24, at 12:20 PM, "Petrie, Glen" <glen.petrie@eitc.epson.com&g= t; wrote:



Mike=

 

I was a little surprised at your new title.  "Transactional Printing" has for a very, very long t= ime meant the "printing of voices, bills, statements, notices, checks, letters, etc.".    While I have noted that it is not uncommon for PWG to "extent" the meaning of terms; might I suggest "Transaction" versus Transactional to avoid confusion.

 

Glen=

 

 

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweet
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 8:17 AM
To: i= pp@pwg.org
Subject: [IPP] Updated draft of IPP Transactional Printing Extensions (formerly Paid Printing Extensions)

 

All,

 

I have posted an updated stable draft of the IPP Transactional Prin= ting Extensions (formerly the IPP Paid Printing Extensions) to:

 

 

Aside from the name change and some template changes, I've added additional terms, explanatory text, and references (including an informative reference to CIP4's PrintTalk specification) to hopefully allay any confusi= on and tie everything together cleanly.<= /p>

 

________________________________________________= _________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair=

 


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"Transactional Printing" has for a very, very long time meant the "printing of voices, bills, statements, notices, checks, letters, etc.". While I have noted that it is not uncommon for PWG to "extent" the meaning of terms; might I suggest "Transaction" versus Transactional to avoid confusion. =20 Glen =20 =20 ________________________________ From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweet Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 8:17 AM To: ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Updated draft of IPP Transactional Printing Extensions (formerly Paid Printing Extensions) =20 All, =20 I have posted an updated stable draft of the IPP Transactional Printing Extensions (formerly the IPP Paid Printing Extensions) to: =20 ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipptrans10-20130624.docx ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipptrans10-20130624.pdf ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipptrans10-20130624-rev.pdf =20 Aside from the name change and some template changes, I've added additional terms, explanatory text, and references (including an informative reference to CIP4's PrintTalk specification) to hopefully allay any confusion and tie everything together cleanly. =20 _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair =20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 dangerous content by MailScanner , and is believed to be clean. =20 _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair =20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 dangerous content by MailScanner , and is believed to be clean.=20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CE710F.21368F8E Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petrie, Glen
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 = 11:58 AM
To: Michael Sweet
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: RE: [IPP] Updated d= raft of IPP Transactional Printing Extensions(formerly Paid Printing Extensions)=

 

How about what it is " Print for Pay"

 

From: Michael = Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 = 11:40 AM
To: Petrie, Glen
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] Updated d= raft of IPP Transactional Printing Extensions (formerly Paid Printing Extensions= )

 

"IPP Transaction Printing Extensions" doesn't help; in fa= ct, it makes me think specifically of bills, statements, etc...

 

"IPP Transaction-Based Printing Extensions"???=

 

 

On 2013-06-24, at 12:20 PM, "Petrie, Glen" <glen.petrie@eitc.epson.com&g= t; wrote:

 =

Mike=

 

I was a little surprised at your new title.  "Transactional Printing" has for a very, very long t= ime meant the "printing of voices, bills, statements, notices, checks, letters, etc.".    While I have noted that it is not uncommon for PWG to "extent" the meaning of terms; might I suggest "Transaction" versus Transactional to avoid confusion.

 

Glen=

 

 

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweet
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To: i= pp@pwg.org
Subject: [IPP] Updated draft of IPP Transactional Printing Extensions (formerly Paid Printing Extensions)

 

All,

 

I have posted an updated stable draft of the IPP Transactional Prin= ting Extensions (formerly the IPP Paid Printing Extensions) to:

 

 

Aside from the name change and some template changes, I've added additional terms, explanatory text, and references (including an informative reference to CIP4's PrintTalk specification) to hopefully allay any confusi= on and tie everything together cleanly.<= /p>

 

________________________________________________= _________
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There was one new action item: - Mike to post initial draft of IPP FInishings Extensions (update of 5100.1) _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Jun 24 15:54:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A6921E80C9 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:54:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.597 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.597 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_MOSTLY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mwzKqIXC-Ehy for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7FA321F9E95 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AABA879219; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 18:53:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.227]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B398791A7 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 18:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sMMa1l0040xGWP85CNsuUT; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 22:52:54 +0000 Received: from TCS2010LAPTOP ([24.34.47.110]) by omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sNqt1l00C2NeFBL3YNqtg4; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 22:50:54 +0000 From: "Paul Tykodi" To: "'Michael Sweet'" References: <090E09A8-B564-42AD-B781-A1308429B972@apple.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [IPP] Updated draft of IPP Transactional Printing Extensions (formerly Paid Printing Extensions) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 18:50:53 -0400 Organization: Tykodi Consulting Services LLC Message-ID: <036401ce712d$4898bf00$d9ca3d00$@tykodi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQJN7MClLHpGWTRGpYQw8mjh1lOFmgGAf+KDmDp8ZOA= Content-Language: en-us DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20121106; t=1372114374; bh=boWyQxTq2p7P67NIWaSEki6H16SdqiHDRF83M0PGAs8=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Pnbl1ELdAbrds0RnZWdLPcBIW3cnZT/3Jk19pxNs0LwcE76hrzadnWjs+69Cw725r RyXPoPUYYXhiDA1QgFdFMEZcE2gURiTq+yEYdR8GjYkxP+H6kfSuRpkIIdUGoXXvAh GEjQTdXnjlKO0xN2sjYe3a8/DNza/PizoWf+6wC6KZvNKen4PMmLZtStPNUMSZ6cab mgkgvoeeC1WAEnpnNEEgLT9ZyZBUpUrexZvujI8X4RWUf8PCfv/L5dbSSQUQtKs6xI H+v8a6pLgP4eos+Ij66Tzqrp8GWXF3u8CUPU6zRXyQjSguX5nAEKq4Jhx+hyJFfZDf ctynntvijJafA== X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ptykodi@tykodi.com List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1826313977==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: AABA879219.A8AA8 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1826313977== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0365_01CE710B.C18EC020" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0365_01CE710B.C18EC020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mike, I agree with Glen's comment that Transactional Printing has a different meaning than what we want to convey in this specification. I think that "Transaction" will be understood correctly. Best Regards, /Paul -- Paul Tykodi Principal Consultant TCS - Tykodi Consulting Services LLC Tel/Fax: 603-343-1820 Mobile: 603-866-0712 E-mail: ptykodi@tykodi.com WWW: http://www.tykodi.com From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petrie, Glen Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 12:20 PM To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org Subject: RE: [IPP] Updated draft of IPP Transactional Printing Extensions (formerly Paid Printing Extensions) Mike I was a little surprised at your new title. "Transactional Printing" has for a very, very long time meant the "printing of voices, bills, statements, notices, checks, letters, etc.". While I have noted that it is not uncommon for PWG to "extent" the meaning of terms; might I suggest "Transaction" versus Transactional to avoid confusion. 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Hi Mike,

 

=

I agree with Glen’s comment that Transact= ional Printing has a different meaning than what we want to convey in this = specification. I think that “Transaction” will be understood co= rrectly.

 =

Best Regards,

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/Paul

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Tel/Fax: 603-343-1820
Mobile:  603-866-0712
E-m= ail:  ptykodi@tykodi.com
WWW:  http://www.tyk= odi.com

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Be= half Of Petrie, Glen
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 12:20 PM
= To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org
Subject: RE: [IPP] Updated = draft of IPP Transactional Printing Extensions (formerly Paid Printing Exte= nsions)

 

Mike

 

I wa= s a little surprised at your new title.  "Transactional Printing&= quot; has for a very, very long time meant the "printing of voices, bi= lls, statements, notices, checks, letters, etc.".    Wh= ile I have noted that it is not uncommon for PWG to "extent" the = meaning of terms; might I suggest "Transaction" versus Transactio= nal to avoid confusion.

 

Glen

 

 =

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org = [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] = On Behalf Of Michael Sweet
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 8:17 A= M
To: ipp@pwg.org
Subjec= t: [IPP] Updated draft of IPP Transactional Printing Extensions (former= ly Paid Printing Extensions)

 

All,

 

I have p= osted an updated stable draft of the IPP Transactional Printing Extensions = (formerly the IPP Paid Printing Extensions) to:

 

 

Aside from the name change and some template changes, I've added addi= tional terms, explanatory text, and references (including an informative re= ference to CIP4's PrintTalk specification) to hopefully allay any confusion= and tie everything together cleanly.

 

________________________= _________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System&= nbsp;Engineer, PWG Chair

 


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Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Paul Tykodi wrote: > Hi Mike,**** > > ** ** > > I agree with Glen=92s comment that Transactional Printing has a different > meaning than what we want to convey in this specification. I think that > =93Transaction=94 will be understood correctly.**** > > ** ** > > Best Regards,**** > > ** ** > > /Paul**** > > --**** > > Paul Tykodi > Principal Consultant > TCS - Tykodi Consulting Services LLC > > Tel/Fax: 603-343-1820 > Mobile: 603-866-0712 > E-mail: ptykodi@tykodi.com > WWW: http://www.tykodi.com**** > > *From:* ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] *On Behalf Of *P= etrie, > Glen > *Sent:* Monday, June 24, 2013 12:20 PM > *To:* Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org > *Subject:* RE: [IPP] Updated draft of IPP Transactional Printing > Extensions (formerly Paid Printing Extensions)**** > > ** ** > > Mike**** > > ** ** > > I was a little surprised at your new title. "Transactional Printing" has > for a very, very long time meant the "printing of voices, bills, > statements, notices, checks, letters, etc.". While I have noted that it > is not uncommon for PWG to "extent" the meaning of terms; might I suggest > "Transaction" versus Transactional to avoid confusion.**** > > ** ** > > Glen**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] > *On Behalf Of *Michael Sweet > *Sent:* Monday, June 24, 2013 8:17 AM > *To:* ipp@pwg.org > *Subject:* [IPP] Updated draft of IPP Transactional Printing Extensions > (formerly Paid Printing Extensions)**** > > ** ** > > All,**** > > ** ** > > I have posted an updated stable draft of the IPP Transactional Printing > Extensions (formerly the IPP Paid Printing Extensions) to:**** > > ** ** > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipptrans10-20130624.docx**** > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipptrans10-20130624.pdf**** > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipptrans10-20130624-rev.pdf**** > > ** ** > > Aside from the name change and some template changes, I've added > additional terms, explanatory text, and references (including an > informative reference to CIP4's PrintTalk specification) to hopefully all= ay > any confusion and tie everything together cleanly.**** > > ** ** > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair**** > > ** ** > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. **** > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. **** > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --089e013c61e097dd4a04dfee7988 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Paul,

The w= orking decision (subject to change) at today's IPP call was
&q= uot;IPP Transaction-based Printing Extensions" and we agreed to
tak= e the new finishings out and update PWG 5100.1 (similar to
what we did w/ MSN2).

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Soft= ware Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary -= IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solution= s WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert = - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthincmailto:bluer= oofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094
Summer= =A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434



On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Paul Ty= kodi <ptykodi@tykodi.com> wrote:

Hi Mike,

=A0

I agree with Glen=92s comment that Transactio= nal Printing has a different meaning than what we want to convey in this sp= ecification. I think that =93Transaction=94 will be understood correctly.

=A0<= /p>

Best Regards,

=A0<= /p>

/Paul

--

Paul Tykodi
Principal Consultant
TCS - Tykodi Consulting Services LLC

Tel/Fax= : 603= -343-1820
Mobile:=A0 603-866-0712
E-mail:=A0 ptykodi@= tykodi.com
WWW:=A0 http://www.tyko= di.com

From: ipp-bounces@= pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petrie, Glen
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 12:20 PM
To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org
Subjec= t: RE: [IPP] Updated draft of IPP Transactional Printing Extensions (fo= rmerly Paid Printing Extensions)

=A0=

Mike

=A0

I was a little surprised at your new title.=A0 &qu= ot;Transactional Printing" has for a very, very long time meant the &q= uot;printing of voices, bills, statements, notices, checks, letters, etc.&q= uot;.=A0 =A0=A0While I have noted that it is not uncommon for PWG to "= extent" the meaning of terms; might I suggest "Transaction" = versus Transactional to avoid confusion.

=A0

Glen

=A0

=A0

=

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Beh= alf Of Michael Sweet
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 8:17 AM
To: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: [IPP] Upd= ated draft of IPP Transactional Printing Extensions (formerly Paid Printing= Extensions)

=A0

Al= l,

=A0

=

I have posted an updated stable draft of the IP= P Transactional Printing Extensions (formerly the IPP Paid Printing Extensi= ons) to:

=A0

=A0

Aside from the name change and some template changes, I've adde= d additional terms, explanatory text, and references (including an informat= ive reference to CIP4's PrintTalk specification) to hopefully allay any= confusion and tie everything together cleanly.

=A0

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet= , Senior Printing System=A0Engineer, PWG Chair

=A0


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Cheers, Smith /** Smith Kennedy Hewlett-Packard Co. smith.kennedy@hp.com */ 4.1.2: - The notion of "spooling vs. streaming" seems to assume that a device is o= ne or the other, regardless of the job size. I don't think this is necessa= rily the case. Some spooling devices may have expansive secondary storage = such as a hard disk. But some spooling devices may support spooling up to = some much more restricted limit, such as 5-10 pages, if they are storing it= in RAM. For these devices, one might expect spooling support up to some j= ob size, and beyond that it should be used as a streaming device. But how = should this be handled and enforced? Client side, or FaxOut service side? = Or should such devices always present themselves as streaming devices to c= lients, and not try to spool small fax jobs?=20=20 - Exactly how does the IPP FaxOut Printer Object communicate to the IPP cli= ent that it is streaming vs. spooling? Should it be done using the maximum= size of an incoming fax job, using one of the following? - job-k-octets-supported (RFC 2911) - *-k-octets-supported if it depends on the format? If not in this manner, which seems non-optimal because it is basically an i= mplied interpolation, an explicit attribute seems necessary. - Is the error handling described here adequate? Under what conditions wou= ld there need to be "larger portions of the job" retransmitted? Only in th= e event of a phone line connection failure? In that case, would the sendin= g fax only send the pages unsent? Or would it be expected to resend the en= tire job? Are retries in the "processing" state? 4.1.4: - Why must the job be retained for 300 seconds? A streaming device will on= ly retain the last page. - Feedback: "(section 7.4.21)" should be "(section 7.4.22)". This logging = facility is confusing and seems incompletely described, here or in 7.4.22. 4.2: - Note 1: "MUST NOT" for Print-Job operation? That seems a bit extreme=85 = Is this expected to be only true for the /ipp/faxout Printer Object but no= t for the /ipp/print Printer Object (if present)? 4.3: - What is the purpose of margins here? Is this just for rendering local to= the IPP Faxout device? (Guessing the answer is yes=85) - "pages-per-minute" and "pages-per-minute-color" - how will this be determ= ined for fax? - Should there be an "include-fax-header" job attribute? (this is a page he= ader with the sender's name & #, date, time, page X of Y, etc.) Legal req= uirements around this? - "Note 4" seems to not have any attributes that reference it. Was this su= pposed to be referenced by the "input-source-supported" attribute? 6.1: - Send-Hardcopy-Document operation and streaming devices and a resend - wil= l the client be expected to resend if the job included a Send-Hardcopy-Docu= ment operation? 7.2.2.3: - What document formats must be supported by the printer for the logo? Siz= e limits? JPS3 had the printer-icons attribute defined in such a way that = the icon must be in a particular format (PNG) and particular sizes. - Guessing that the schemes supported could be determined by "reference-uri= -schemes-supported" but that attribute is not listed in the IPP FaxOut spec= at all 7.4.22: - How is this intended to work? Can this be a URI to a service on a host o= ther than the one hosting the IPP FaxOut Printer Object? What should happe= n if the fax log hits a size limit? Is the size limit advertised? 7.4.26: - Should this value be the country-defined value? 7.4.27: - What is the point of retry-interval-supported for streaming devices? And= which entity is responsible for keeping count for the retries? 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From pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org Wed Jun 26 01:54:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A2A21E80FC for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 01:54:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id quwNXJy9SqUI for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 01:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD6FE11E81A4 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 01:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4598579231; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 04:54:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Delivered-To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A34D379230 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 04:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 10so31080182ied.28 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 01:53:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=AyC7YWLgK3uqv1paTvdjtCrCzRL8eVKWDxnWXwCUKao=; b=tuWcRmkZtDL5LVhJ6Vv1lmZ6n5fpjaIpfNhyyvO17EPHiYshIal/AxV8BzWSZG0BKE 3nALjBAkcxQsUJ7ufaLnuT0Txdeui0Sf0d3LuGOGI2U9Nk4XbWGQ2Lo7M4Aw3tX6k3x6 u2QRaiBQH46tLTagf5IOnMSL9rKLTvUZOYztaQLB2o9NhwuaSmtTv5NVQmzkLq2+PrK3 cWoqSUSctOpB+sYLTX8NPL63HY0GPD5fvYXNYAenxLf/gCl4IE0539APNHX/QeYSYQlr jxoDxhGruVjJT7TC91YJA7s4cTgPUN+mje+RoY5ZhYwDByePliKx49lD5JHf5nFrJdNj C+uA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.176.166 with SMTP id cj6mr1643627igc.56.1372236818967; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 01:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.13.137 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 01:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 04:53:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: Ira McDonald To: Michael Sweet , Ira McDonald X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: "PWG Announcements Inc." Subject: [Pwg-Announce] REMINDER - EXTENDED: PWG Last Call of IPP FaxOut Service (05/01/13 to 06/28/13) X-BeenThere: pwg-announce@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Printer Working Group Announcement List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1716786201==" Sender: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 4598579231.AD329 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org --===============1716786201== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f6435a22474ef04e00ac8f1 --e89a8f6435a22474ef04e00ac8f1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, We now need ONE more PWG member to acknowledge this PWG Last Call on IPP FaxOut (with or without comments) in order to reach quorum by the close of this PWG Last Call this Friday 28 June. Please exercise your membership privileges and help out. Cheers, - Ira (PWG Secretary) Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > All, > > Because we have not yet reached quorum, we need to extend the PWG Last > Call of the IPP FaxOut Service specification to Friday, June 28, 2013 at > 10pm US PT. > > Thank you everyone that has already responded to the last call. If you > have not yet provided your acknowledgement for the IPP FaxOut Service > specification, please do so at your earliest convenience. > > Thank you! > > > On May 1, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > > All, > > [This PWG Last Call starts today Wednesday May 1, 2013 and ends Friday > June 7, 2013 at 10pm US PST.] > > This is the formal announcement of the PWG Last Call for the IPP FaxOut > Service specification, located at: > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippfaxout10-20130501.pdf > > All required attributes and values defined in this document have been > prototyped by Apple and/or other vendors. The IPP WG has completed > extensive review of the various revisions of this document and an IPP WG > last call. > > The PWG Process/3.0 requires that a quorum (30%) of PWG voting members > must acknowledge a PWG Last Call (with or without comments), before any > document can progress to PWG Formal Vote. This PWG Last Call is NOT a > Formal Vote but it DOES require your review acknowledgment. > > > HOW TO RESPOND > > Send an email with *exactly* the following subject line format: > Subject: has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and has > [no] comments > > > WHERE TO SEND YOUR RESPONSE > > Please send your response to *all* of the following email addresses > (replacing "dot" with '.' and "at" with '@'): > > ipp "at" pwg "dot" org (IPP WG mailing list - you must be subscribed!) > blueroofmusic "at" gmail "dot" com (Ira McDonald, IPP WG Co-Chair) > ptykodi "at" tykodi "dot" com (Paul Tykodi, IPP WG Co-Chair) > msweet "at" apple "dot" com (Michael Sweet, IPP WG Secretary and IPP > FaxOut Editor) > > Note that you must be subscribed to the IPP WG mailing list to send email > there - otherwise your email will be silently discarded. > > Please do NOT simply reply to this note on the PWG-Announce list. > > Note: The PWG Definition of the Standards Development Process Version 3.0 > is located at: > > http://www.pwg.org/chair/membership_docs/pwg-process30.pdf > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > _______________________________________________ > pwg-announce mailing list > pwg-announce@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/pwg-announce > > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > pwg-announce mailing list > pwg-announce@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/pwg-announce > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --e89a8f6435a22474ef04e00ac8f1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

We now need= ONE more PWG member to acknowledge this PWG Last Call
on IPP FaxO= ut (with or without comments) in order to reach quorum by the
clos= e of this PWG Last Call this Friday 28 June.

Please exercise your membership privileges and help out.

<= /div>Cheers,
- Ira (PWG Secretary)



Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<= br> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer = Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted = Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF D= esignated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites= .google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://si= tes.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:blueroo= fmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 = 734-944-0094
Summer=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2= 434



On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Michael= Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
All,

Because we have= not yet reached quorum, we need to extend the PWG Last Call of the IPP Fax= Out Service specification to Friday, June 28, 2013 at 10pm US PT.

Thank you everyone that has already responded to the last ca= ll. =A0If you have not yet provided your acknowledgement for the IPP FaxOut= Service specification, please do so at your earliest convenience.

Thank you!


On May 1, = 2013, at 2:41 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

All,

[This PWG Last Call starts = today Wednesday May 1, 2013 and ends Friday June 7, 2013=A0at 10pm US PST.]=

This is the formal announcement of the PWG Last Call for the IPP Fa= xOut Service=A0specification, located at:

ftp://ftp.= pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippfaxout10-20130501.pdf

All required = attributes and values defined in this document have been prototyped by Appl= e=A0and/or other vendors. The IPP WG has completed extensive review of the = various revisions=A0of this document and an IPP WG last call.

The PWG Process/3.0 requires that a quorum (30%) of PWG voting members = must acknowledge a=A0PWG Last Call (with or without comments), before any d= ocument can progress to PWG Formal=A0Vote. =A0This PWG Last Call is NOT a F= ormal Vote but it DOES require your review=A0acknowledgment.


HOW TO RESPOND

Send an email with *exactly* the following su= bject line format:
Subject: <Company Name> has reviewed the IPP Fa= xOut specification and has [no] comments


WHERE TO SEND YOUR RESP= ONSE

Please send your response to *all* of the following email addresses (re= placing "dot" with=A0'.' and "at" with '@&#= 39;):

ipp "at" pwg "dot" org (IPP WG mailing lis= t - you must be subscribed!)
blueroofmusic "at" gmail "dot" com (Ira McDonald, IPP W= G Co-Chair)
ptykodi "at" tykodi "dot" com (Paul Tyko= di, IPP WG Co-Chair)
msweet "at" apple "dot" com (Mi= chael Sweet, IPP WG Secretary and IPP FaxOut Editor)

Note that you must be subscribed to the IPP WG mailing list to send ema= il there -=A0otherwise your email will be silently discarded.

Please= do NOT simply reply to this note on the PWG-Announce list.

Note: Th= e PWG Definition of the Standards Development Process Version 3.0 is locate= d at:

http://www.p= wg.org/chair/membership_docs/pwg-process30.pdf

_____________________________= ____________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System=A0Engineer, PWG Chair


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X-BeenThere: pwg-announce@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Printer Working Group Announcement List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0684755340==" Sender: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 1A8647923E.AC6CB X-pwg-MailScanner-From: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org --===============0684755340== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_772924F5A52E6846866619AB345D308832F0F3USA7109MB006naxer_" --_000_772924F5A52E6846866619AB345D308832F0F3USA7109MB006naxer_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ira - I'll give it a review and vote. Just may not be able to do it until Friday = if that's OK. Alan From: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org] On= Behalf Of Ira McDonald Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 4:54 AM To: Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald Cc: PWG Announcements Inc. Subject: [Pwg-Announce] REMINDER - EXTENDED: PWG Last Call of IPP FaxOut Se= rvice (05/01/13 to 06/28/13) Hi, We now need ONE more PWG member to acknowledge this PWG Last Call on IPP FaxOut (with or without comments) in order to reach quorum by the close of this PWG Last Call this Friday 28 June. Please exercise your membership privileges and help out. Cheers, - Ira (PWG Secretary) Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Michael Sweet > wrote: All, Because we have not yet reached quorum, we need to extend the PWG Last Call= of the IPP FaxOut Service specification to Friday, June 28, 2013 at 10pm U= S PT. Thank you everyone that has already responded to the last call. If you hav= e not yet provided your acknowledgement for the IPP FaxOut Service specific= ation, please do so at your earliest convenience. Thank you! On May 1, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Michael Sweet > wrote: All, [This PWG Last Call starts today Wednesday May 1, 2013 and ends Friday June= 7, 2013 at 10pm US PST.] This is the formal announcement of the PWG Last Call for the IPP FaxOut Ser= vice specification, located at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippfaxout10-20130501.pdf All required attributes and values defined in this document have been proto= typed by Apple and/or other vendors. The IPP WG has completed extensive rev= iew of the various revisions of this document and an IPP WG last call. The PWG Process/3.0 requires that a quorum (30%) of PWG voting members must= acknowledge a PWG Last Call (with or without comments), before any documen= t can progress to PWG Formal Vote. This PWG Last Call is NOT a Formal Vote= but it DOES require your review acknowledgment. HOW TO RESPOND Send an email with *exactly* the following subject line format: Subject: has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and has [= no] comments WHERE TO SEND YOUR RESPONSE Please send your response to *all* of the following email addresses (replac= ing "dot" with '.' and "at" with '@'): ipp "at" pwg "dot" org (IPP WG mailing list - you must be subscribed!) blueroofmusic "at" gmail "dot" com (Ira McDonald, IPP WG Co-Chair) ptykodi "at" tykodi "dot" com (Paul Tykodi, IPP WG Co-Chair) msweet "at" apple "dot" com (Michael Sweet, IPP WG Secretary and IPP FaxOut= Editor) Note that you must be subscribed to the IPP WG mailing list to send email t= here - otherwise your email will be silently discarded. Please do NOT simply reply to this note on the PWG-Announce list. Note: The PWG Definition of the Standards Development Process Version 3.0 i= s located at: http://www.pwg.org/chair/membership_docs/pwg-process30.pdf _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ pwg-announce mailing list pwg-announce@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/pwg-announce _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ pwg-announce mailing list pwg-announce@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/pwg-announce -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --_000_772924F5A52E6846866619AB345D308832F0F3USA7109MB006naxer_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ira –

 <= /p>

I’ll give it a revi= ew and vote. Just may not be able to do it until Friday if that’s OK.=

 <= /p>

Alan

 <= /p>

From: pwg-anno= unce-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira McDonald
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 4:54 AM
To: Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald
Cc: PWG Announcements Inc.
Subject: [Pwg-Announce] REMINDER - EXTENDED: PWG Last Call of IPP Fa= xOut Service (05/01/13 to 06/28/13)

 

Hi,

We now need ONE more PWG member to acknowledge this = PWG Last Call

on IPP FaxOut (with or without comments) in order to= reach quorum by the

close of this PWG Las= t Call this Friday 28 June.

Please exercise your = membership privileges and help out.

Cheers,

- Ira (PWG Secretary)=


Ira McDonald (Musicia= n / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
mailto:blueroo= fmusic@gmail.com
Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094=
Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434

 

On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Michael Sweet <<= a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com" target=3D"_blank">msweet@apple.com&g= t; wrote:

All,

 

Because we have not yet reached quorum, we need to e= xtend the PWG Last Call of the IPP FaxOut Service specification to Friday, = June 28, 2013 at 10pm US PT.

 

Thank you everyone that has already responded to the= last call.  If you have not yet provided your acknowledgement for the= IPP FaxOut Service specification, please do so at your earliest convenienc= e.

 

Thank you!

 

 

On May 1, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wr= ote:



All,

[This PWG Last Call starts today Wednesday May 1, 2013 and ends Friday June= 7, 2013 at 10pm US PST.]

This is the formal announcement of the PWG Last Call for the IPP FaxOut Ser= vice specification, located at:

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippfaxout10-20130501.pd= f

All required attributes and values defined in this document have been proto= typed by Apple and/or other vendors. The IPP WG has completed extensiv= e review of the various revisions of this document and an IPP WG last = call.

The PWG Process/3.0 requires that a quorum (30%) of PWG voting members must= acknowledge a PWG Last Call (with or without comments), before any do= cument can progress to PWG Formal Vote.  This PWG Last Call is NO= T a Formal Vote but it DOES require your review acknowledgment.


HOW TO RESPOND

Send an email with *exactly* the following subject line format:
Subject: <Company Name> has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and= has [no] comments


WHERE TO SEND YOUR RESPONSE

Please send your response to *all* of the following email addresses (replac= ing "dot" with '.' and "at" with '@'):

ipp "at" pwg "dot" org (IPP WG mailing list - you must = be subscribed!)
blueroofmusic "at" gmail "dot" com (Ira McDonald, IPP W= G Co-Chair)
ptykodi "at" tykodi "dot" com (Paul Tykodi, IPP WG Co-C= hair)
msweet "at" apple "dot" com (Michael Sweet, IPP WG Secr= etary and IPP FaxOut Editor)

Note that you must be subscribed to the IPP WG mailing list to send email t= here - otherwise your email will be silently discarded.

Please do NOT simply reply to this note on the PWG-Announce list.

Note: The PWG Definition of the Standards Development Process Version 3.0 i= s located at:

http://www.pwg.org/chair/membership_docs/pwg-process30.pdf

____________________________________________________= _____
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair



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Thank You,<= /span>

 

Ron Nevo | Senior Manager | Product Marketing

Partn= ers, Solutions, Information Security, MPS, Standards and Certifications

Chair = IEEE/ISTO Printer Working Group-Cloud Imaging

Samsu= ng Electronics America, Inc.

Enter= prise Business Division

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85 Chall= enger Road | Ridgefield Park, NJ 07660

P 201.329.6231   C 201.220.6348

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We think fax-modem-carrier-lost should be removed from the specification. If the specification supposes another case, tell us an example on the facsimile protocol sequence. 2. fax-modem-training-failure See ITU-T T.30(09/2005)-Appendix IV Examples 4, Training failure is detected by Called terminal. We think fax-modem-training-failure should be removed from the specification. If the specification supposes another case, tell us an example on the facsimile protocol sequence. 3. fax-modem-voice-detected If fax-modem-voice-detected specified as a job state, it should change name to job-calling. Facsimile always detect sound other than a carrier tone while facsimile dialing numbers to detecting any facsimile signals, because facsimile may hear ringing tone or machine's voice(voice answer system), human's voice(fax manual receive). 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--------------08030600301090505050709-- From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Thu Jun 27 05:08:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B900321F997A for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 05:08:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_53=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_55=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rTRo9jYBuQCE for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 05:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2802621F99AA for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 05:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A56579253; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 08:07:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-out.apple.com (bramley.apple.com [17.151.62.49]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86EBC79251 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 08:07:19 -0400 (EDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Received: from relay7.apple.com ([17.128.113.101]) by mail-out.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTP id <0MP10039OWAM9BF2@mail-out.apple.com> for ipp@pwg.org; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 05:07:15 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807165-b7f496d000000613-d5-51cc2af28218 Received: from [17.153.105.11] (Unknown_Domain [17.153.105.11]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay7.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id A2.7A.01555.3FA2CC15; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 05:07:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Sweet In-reply-to: <101E5D20AB29744AB6F7A3E58EBC916571AC1CAA0B@FX-JPN-EXMBV03.dc00.fujixerox.net> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 08:07:13 -0400 Message-id: References: <101E5D20AB29744AB6F7A3E58EBC916571AC1CAA0B@FX-JPN-EXMBV03.dc00.fujixerox.net> To: fx OHTAKE SHIN X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrDLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUiODOTW/ez1plAg0cLNC1ev1rKbnFs30sW iyPfYi06v1lbTL+zgsmB1WPryR9sHh/XH2X22DnrLrvHvMXTmTw2X3nOEsAaxWWTkpqTWZZa pG+XwJWxbO0/poLXMhXn3z5hbWA8LN7FyMEhIWAiMX9FfhcjJ5ApJnHh3nq2LkYuDiGBXiaJ +13L2EESwgJBEs++vGQDsXkF9CSW/pvDCGIzC+hKPHzQyApiswmoSfye1McKMpNTIFri08tA kDCLgKrErBsr2CDKmxklnt91hrC1JZYtfM0MMdJG4uKrk2AjhQSiJD6d280CYosIGEjcn9bC BHGmrMTO30kTGPlnITliFpIjZiGZuoCReRWjQFFqTmKluV5iQUFOql5yfu4mRlCYNhSm7mBs XG51iFGAg1GJh9eD5XSgEGtiWXFl7iFGCQ5mJRHemcJnAoV4UxIrq1KL8uOLSnNSiw8xSnOw KInzSnkdDxQSSE8sSc1OTS1ILYLJMnFwSjUwTj0RtykiS8V/zVqtBdN+1PAsiPe9XDTD4GTq j7TfhWJB5yuP7plSU23xcIK0h27JsXADRinZ3pOM1yMfXnP+WXeZLXjX5Gf2ovP1zxdPEtzd slj0w8HGoHMLZnjN3ZSet0h934HX184+WX25V3dfbOE3y6jm00GrVus3ue1aP79V6ImrPPuS z0osxRmJhlrMRcWJAIXhjrRPAgAA X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: "ipp@pwg.org" Subject: [IPP] Re: Fuji Xerox has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and has comments X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 8A56579253.A8339 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Shin, Thanks for your comments! Responses inline... On 2013-06-26, at 10:25 PM, fx OHTAKE SHIN wrote: > Greetings, > > Fuji Xerox has comments for the IPP FaxOut specification final call. > > ---- > 8.2 job-state-reasons > 1. fax-modem-carrier-lost > See ITU-T T.30(09/2005)- Annex A Examples 13, FAX MSG carrier is lost by Called terminal. We think fax-modem-carrier-lost should be > removed from the specification. > If the specification supposes another case, tell us an example on the facsimile protocol sequence. But on the sending end we still need an indication that we lost the connection to the receiver. Would changing the definition here to something like "Lost connection to the receiver during send." be more descriptive? (in AT command set parlance, this would be a "NO CARRIER" response, received when the connection is lost) > 2. fax-modem-training-failure > See ITU-T T.30(09/2005)-Appendix IV Examples 4, Training failure is detected by Called terminal. We think fax-modem-training-failure > should be removed from the specification. > If the specification supposes another case, tell us an example on the facsimile protocol sequence. But on the sending end we still need an indication that we were unable to connect to the receiver after the receiver answered the call. This definition has already been updated once, but I am happy to reword it again to make this clear - basically, 'fax-modem-training-failure' means that the receiver answered, the sender got the carrier tone, but the sender and receiver were unable to successfully negotiate a data rate. (in AT command set parlance, this is also a "NO CARRIER" response, received after dialing) > 3. fax-modem-voice-detected > If fax-modem-voice-detected specified as a job state, it should change name to job-calling. Facsimile always detect sound other than > a carrier tone while facsimile dialing numbers to detecting any facsimile signals, because facsimile may hear ringing tone or > machine's voice(voice answer system), human's voice(fax manual receive). Therefore, fax-modem-voice-detected cannot specify as an > error job reason, because of ringing tone. I'm not sure I understand your comment, but a couple things: 1. We can't change the names of these keywords: they were defined and approved last year as part of the Printer MIB and IPP MFD Alerts spec (PWG 5107.3-2012). Which of course I don't have referenced and am re-defining the names in the IANA section (editorial changes at least...) [NOTE TO SELF: Add 5107.3 IANA definitions to IPP registrations] 2. We do want a way to indicate when the receiver answers but does not respond with a carrier within the connection timeout setup in the modem. Again, falling back on the AT command set I would probably just get a "NO CARRIER" response and a hang-up, but some modems did/do report "DELAYED" for the additional rings - we *could* add a keyword for that ("fax-modem-delayed"? "fax-modem-waiting"?) but I'd like to leave this one as-is even if many implementations can't support 'fax-modem-voice-detected'. 3. None of these are unconditionally required to implement - certain keywords depend on hardware features that may not be supported by your products, and so naturally you won't report those (similar to how you might not have a duplexing unit in your printer and thus don't have to report or support the "sides" attribute...) _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Thu Jun 27 05:13:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7E621F9C3A for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 05:13:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.599, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2b7RsGZvfqrS for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 05:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8837021F9C03 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 05:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 611B979255; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 08:12:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-out.apple.com (mail-out.apple.com [17.151.62.51]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C82379252 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 08:12:17 -0400 (EDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from relay4.apple.com ([17.128.113.87]) by mail-out.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTP id <0MP100I1AWGH4NE1@mail-out.apple.com> for ipp@pwg.org; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 05:12:16 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807157-b7f706d0000006c6-c9-51cc2c1f71c8 Received: from [17.153.105.11] (Unknown_Domain [17.153.105.11]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay4.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id AF.2B.01734.02C2CC15; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 05:12:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Sweet Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 08:12:14 -0400 To: "ipp@pwg.org" Message-id: <4E81BF05-F6EC-47DF-862E-4A5FC4DC3E61@apple.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprELMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUiODOTW1dB50ygwecGDYtj+16yWBz5FuvA 5LH15A82j3mLpzMFMEVx2aSk5mSWpRbp2yVwZWw+spy1YLZExd4d3awNjKtFuxg5OSQETCTu rJrDBmGLSVy4tx7MFhLoZZK4/roQxGYTUJP4PamPFcRmFkiQmLb+AguIzSKgKnFt5jugeg4O YQFPif6WOJCwiIC8xNq2qUwgNq+AjUTbq1WMELaexNJ/cxhByiUEZCV2/k6awMg9C8nQWUiq IOLaEssWvmaeBdTBLKAjMXkhmjCE/fH8EaYFjGyrGAWKUnMSK030EgsKclL1kvNzNzGCQqqh MHwH479lVocYBTgYlXh4PzCeDhRiTSwrrsw9xCjBwawkwjtT+EygEG9KYmVValF+fFFpTmrx IUZpDhYlcV4Jr+OBQgLpiSWp2ampBalFMFkmDk6pBkbH3hONF+7clwpM32HqcUiVffbVW2LZ cfffPDry4/K2u6suHRIuu3X52H1mcVEFuWkLpk4y3FMRWGp0Xyc0kO2MkejFPbGehx2WeCYk RxdcEvrtIWF2udPnguI9h4qFYuvL2r+kaXRvzXtwyD1we7J9xqGr12qDV0dXX1A/eMnT70ZC jUJU/SMlluKMREMt5qLiRACVNb43JQIAAA== X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Subject: [IPP] Apple has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and has comments X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0784827331==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 611B979255.A89B8 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============0784827331== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_cUSupNb6h/SVfK26QdcB3g)" --Boundary_(ID_cUSupNb6h/SVfK26QdcB3g) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Follow-up comments based on the feedback we have gotten so far: Section 8.2 does not mention that the 'fax-modem-xxx' keywords are defined in PWG 5107.3. Section 8.2 does not define the equivalent of the 'connecting-to-defice' value from "printer-state-reasons". Should we define keyword(s) to describe this and/or the following intermediate states: Dialing, Answered, Training, and Connected? Section 12.2 should not re-register PWG 5107.3 keyword values for "job-state-reasons". Section 13.1 is missing a reference to PWG 5107.3. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_cUSupNb6h/SVfK26QdcB3g) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Follow-up comments based = on the feedback we have gotten so far:

Section 8.2 does = not mention that the 'fax-modem-xxx' keywords are defined in PWG 5107.3.

Section 8.2 does not define the equivalent of t= he 'connecting-to-defice' value from "printer-state-reasons". Should we def= ine keyword(s) to describe th= is and/or the following intermediate states: Dialing, Answered, Training, and Connected?

Section 12.2 should not re-register PWG 5107.3 keyword values for "job-s= tate-reasons".

Section 13.1 is missing a reference= to PWG 5107.3.

__________________________________= _______________________
Michael Sweet, Sen= ior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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I don't think this is neces= sarily the case. Some ... > FaxOut service side? Or should such devices always present themselves as= streaming devices to clients, and not try to spool small fax jobs?=20=20 Some media types, e.g., PWG Raster, are considered to be streaming formats,= while others are basically always spooled formats, e.g., PDF and OpenXPS. = JPEG is in that middle-ground - you can stream it but generally you "spool"= in memory and decode in bands. It might be useful to talk a bit about this, but a FaxOut printer can adver= tise its exact spool/stream capabilities by looking at any document-format = attribute provided in a Get-Printer-Attributes request. > - Exactly how does the IPP FaxOut Printer Object communicate to the IPP c= lient that it is streaming vs. spooling? Should it be done using the maxim= um size of an incoming fax job, using one of the following? > - job-k-octets-supported (RFC 2911) > - *-k-octets-supported if it depends on the format? These generally communicate the maximum size document that can be spooled. = For a streaming format like PWG Raster, I would not expect the printer to = have a maximum size limit beyond the physical limits of the printer that it= advertises (resolution and media size). The job-spooling-supported Printer attribute can be used to explicitly iden= tify which modes a printer supports, with the returned values being filtere= d by the printer in the Get-Printer-Attributes response (see above). If if= can retransmit an entire job, it is a spooling device. Otherwise it is a = streaming device (for purposes of fax). I think we could also make a statement in the FaxOut spec about PWG Raster = being stream-only and JPEG/OpenXPS/PDF being spool-only. > If not in this manner, which seems non-optimal because it is basically an= implied interpolation, an explicit attribute seems necessary. >=20 > - Is the error handling described here adequate? Under what conditions w= ould there need to be "larger portions of the job" retransmitted? Only in = the event of a phone line connection failure? In that case, would the send= ing fax only send the pages unsent? Or would it be expected to resend the = entire job? Are retries in the "processing" state? Conceptually a printer might have accepted multiple pages and get a late er= ror over the fax line. In most cases I wouldn't expect the printer to get = more than 1 page buffered up at a time... > 4.1.4: > - Why must the job be retained for 300 seconds? A streaming device will = only retain the last page. It is just the job history (not the document data), and the 300 seconds com= es from the Semantic Model FaxOut Service spec (section 7). I will clarify that the Job *History* MUST be retained. > - Feedback: "(section 7.4.21)" should be "(section 7.4.22)". This loggin= g facility is confusing and seems incompletely described, here or in 7.4.22. I can add a reference to the Common Log Format spec, now that it is approve= d. And of course fix the cross reference to the right section... > 4.2: > - Note 1: "MUST NOT" for Print-Job operation? That seems a bit extreme= =85 Is this expected to be only true for the /ipp/faxout Printer Object bu= t not for the /ipp/print Printer Object (if present)? Correct. The point is to have a hard deprecation - the Semantic Model does= not provide Print-Job or Print-URI, so the IPP/SM FaxOut service doesn't o= ffer these operations either. (historically the existence of Print-Job/Pri= nt-URI was a compromise for some companies that didn't want to provide a jo= b history for anything but the currently printing job...) > 4.3: > - What is the purpose of margins here? Is this just for rendering local = to the IPP Faxout device? (Guessing the answer is yes=85) It is more for making the FaxOut service look as much like an IPP Everywher= e printer as possible. > - "pages-per-minute" and "pages-per-minute-color" - how will this be dete= rmined for fax? We should define this; probably as a function of the fax modem technology b= eing used. (i.e. maximum bit rate / constant for page bit size =3D pages-per-minute) > - Should there be an "include-fax-header" job attribute? (this is a page = header with the sender's name & #, date, time, page X of Y, etc.) Legal r= equirements around this? Yeah, legal requirements (I think) pretty much make this mandatory, and the= re is no control over it in the SM FaxOut spec. > - "Note 4" seems to not have any attributes that reference it. Was this = supposed to be referenced by the "input-source-supported" attribute? Yes, good catch, but I am also missing: input-attributes-default input-attributes-supported input-color-mode-supported input-media-supported input-orientation-requested-supported input-quality-supported input-resolution-supported input-sides-supported > 6.1: > - Send-Hardcopy-Document operation and streaming devices and a resend - w= ill the client be expected to resend if the job included a Send-Hardcopy-Do= cument operation? Yes, but then the client will need to provide instructions to the user (rep= lace the document to be faxed and try again). But for hardcopy documents t= he printer should be able to control the buffering/scan rate to allow for r= etries of the current page. Also, pretty much every MFP I've used has scann= ed the entire document into memory before faxing... A client resubmission would use Create-Job + Send-Hardcopy-Document... > 7.2.2.3: > - What document formats must be supported by the printer for the logo? S= ize limits? JPS3 had the printer-icons attribute defined in such a way tha= t the icon must be in a particular format (PNG) and particular sizes. We don't say, here or in SM FaxOut. Maybe we should add a logo-uri-formats= -supported (1setOf mimeMediaType) Printer attribute? And require JPEG? > - Guessing that the schemes supported could be determined by "reference-u= ri-schemes-supported" but that attribute is not listed in the IPP FaxOut sp= ec at all logo-uri-schemes-supported tells you what URIs can be used. > 7.4.22: > - How is this intended to work? Can this be a URI to a service on a host= other than the one hosting the IPP FaxOut Printer Object? What should hap= pen if the fax log hits a size limit? Is the size limit advertised? It *can* point to an external host. We should probably include an example,= including a syslog URI (probably the most common case). Oh, and I need to= document it is READ-WRITE and MUST be listed in the printer-settable-attri= butes-supported attribute... We should discuss the size limit issue on the mailing list (right now it is= an imaginary durable log of infinite length, constructed from pixie dust..= .) > 7.4.26: > - Should this value be the country-defined value? Yes, and I should add the "MUST reflect any local regulatory requirements" = bit to the end. > 7.4.27: > - What is the point of retry-interval-supported for streaming devices? A= nd which entity is responsible for keeping count for the retries? Is it th= e IPP FaxOut device, or the client? Retry-interval still could control the interval between retries to retransm= it the current page. The FaxOut device is responsible for keeping count of= its own retries. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Thu Jun 27 17:27:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C326121F99FC for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:27:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_53=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_55=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4ZlDqVVWFRlk for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D634821F9A03 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59CD879267; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 20:26:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from USA7109MR006.ACS-INC.COM (usa7109mr006.acs-inc.com [63.87.171.175]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12AB679266 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 20:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usa7109ht001.na.xerox.net ([13.41.230.31]) by USA7109MR006.ACS-INC.COM with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 27 Jun 2013 19:26:06 -0500 Received: from USA7109MB013.na.xerox.net ([169.254.5.17]) by USA7109HT001.na.xerox.net ([13.41.230.31]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 19:26:05 -0500 From: "Manchala, Daniel" To: 'Michael Sweet' , 'fx OHTAKE SHIN' Subject: RE: [IPP] Re: Fuji Xerox has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and has comments Thread-Topic: [IPP] Re: Fuji Xerox has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and has comments Thread-Index: AQHOcy8sFnxybsXCXEi7eA5d/S5ZC5lJ6xqg Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 00:26:04 +0000 Message-ID: References: <101E5D20AB29744AB6F7A3E58EBC916571AC1CAA0B@FX-JPN-EXMBV03.dc00.fujixerox.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [13.41.230.90] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: "'ipp@pwg.org'" X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 59CD879267.A909F X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org I think renaming both 'fax-modem-carrier-lost' and 'fax-modem-training-fail= ure' to something like 'fax-modem-confirmation-not-received' or 'fax-out-mo= dem-confirmation-not-received' would help. The reasoning is as follows: As part of training (speed or data rate such as 9600bps) and at the end of = it, a TCF (Training Check Flag) is sent from the fax-out (sending) device t= o a fax-in (receiving) device. If there is a training failure, an FTT (Fail= ure to Train) is sent back from the fax-in receiving device to the fax-out = sending device. If there is no training failure, a CFR (Confirmation to Rec= eive) is sent from the fax-in receiving device to the fax-out sending devic= e. After sufficient number of training failures (usually 3), a DCN (Disconn= ect) signal is sent from fax-out device to fax-in device and the transmissi= on stops. Likewise, if carrier is lost, there is no response received in terms of MCF= (Message Confirmation) from fax-in device at the fax-out device.=20 In either of the two cases, a failure to detect/receive CFR or MCF from the= fax-in device at the fax-out device can trigger 'fax-out-modem-confirmatio= n-not-received'. This is how the sending end will indicate that it lost it= s connection to the receiver. We still could have 'fax-modem-carrier-lost', but on the receiving device, = and probably it is good to rename it as 'fax-in-modem-carrier-lost' indicat= ing that this is an error on the fax-in device. Likewise, we could have 'fa= x-modem-training-failure' but on the receiving device only and it is good t= o rename it (something) as 'fax-in-modem-training-failure' or 'fax-in-modem= -failure-to-train. I like to have the 'fax-out-*' and 'fax-in-*' syntax as it would be less co= nfusing as to what mode a device is acting (as a sender or receiver). Thanks, Daniel. -----Original Message----- From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Michael= Sweet Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 5:07 AM To: fx OHTAKE SHIN Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Re: Fuji Xerox has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and= has comments Shin, Thanks for your comments! Responses inline... On 2013-06-26, at 10:25 PM, fx OHTAKE SHIN wr= ote: > Greetings, >=20 > Fuji Xerox has comments for the IPP FaxOut specification final call. >=20 > ---- > 8.2 job-state-reasons > 1. fax-modem-carrier-lost > See ITU-T T.30(09/2005)- Annex A Examples 13, FAX MSG carrier is lost=20 > by Called terminal. We think fax-modem-carrier-lost should be removed fro= m the specification. > If the specification supposes another case, tell us an example on the fac= simile protocol sequence. But on the sending end we still need an indication that we lost the connect= ion to the receiver. Would changing the definition here to something like = "Lost connection to the receiver during send." be more descriptive? (in AT command set parlance, this would be a "NO CARRIER" response, receive= d when the connection is lost) > 2. fax-modem-training-failure > See ITU-T T.30(09/2005)-Appendix IV Examples 4, Training failure is=20 > detected by Called terminal. We think fax-modem-training-failure should b= e removed from the specification. > If the specification supposes another case, tell us an example on the fac= simile protocol sequence. But on the sending end we still need an indication that we were unable to c= onnect to the receiver after the receiver answered the call. This definitio= n has already been updated once, but I am happy to reword it again to make = this clear - basically, 'fax-modem-training-failure' means that the receive= r answered, the sender got the carrier tone, but the sender and receiver we= re unable to successfully negotiate a data rate. (in AT command set parlance, this is also a "NO CARRIER" response, received= after dialing) > 3. fax-modem-voice-detected > If fax-modem-voice-detected specified as a job state, it should change=20 > name to job-calling. Facsimile always detect sound other than a=20 > carrier tone while facsimile dialing numbers to detecting any=20 > facsimile signals, because facsimile may hear ringing tone or machine's v= oice(voice answer system), human's voice(fax manual receive). Therefore, fa= x-modem-voice-detected cannot specify as an error job reason, because of ri= nging tone. I'm not sure I understand your comment, but a couple things: 1. We can't change the names of these keywords: they were defined and appro= ved last year as part of the Printer MIB and IPP MFD Alerts spec (PWG 5107.= 3-2012). Which of course I don't have referenced and am re-defining the nam= es in the IANA section (editorial changes at least...) [NOTE TO SELF: Add 5= 107.3 IANA definitions to IPP registrations] 2. We do want a way to indicate when the receiver answers but does not resp= ond with a carrier within the connection timeout setup in the modem. Again,= falling back on the AT command set I would probably just get a "NO CARRIER= " response and a hang-up, but some modems did/do report "DELAYED" for the a= dditional rings - we *could* add a keyword for that ("fax-modem-delayed"? "= fax-modem-waiting"?) but I'd like to leave this one as-is even if many impl= ementations can't support 'fax-modem-voice-detected'. 3. None of these are unconditionally required to implement - certain keywor= ds depend on hardware features that may not be supported by your products, = and so naturally you won't report those (similar to how you might not have = a duplexing unit in your printer and thus don't have to report or support t= he "sides" attribute...) _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScan= ner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Thu Jun 27 17:59:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C6EC11E8111 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:59:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.599, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dM7MN4VTKCsv for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9FA21F9A50 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C527926D; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 20:59:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from USA7109MR001.ACS-INC.COM (usa7109mr001.acs-inc.com [63.101.151.9]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A24E7926C for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 20:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usa7109ht004.na.xerox.net ([13.41.230.30]) by USA7109MR001.ACS-INC.COM with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 27 Jun 2013 19:58:36 -0500 Received: from USA7109MB013.na.xerox.net ([169.254.5.17]) by USA7109HT004.na.xerox.net ([13.41.230.30]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 19:58:35 -0500 From: "Manchala, Daniel" To: 'Michael Sweet' Subject: RE: [IPP] Apple has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and has comments Thread-Topic: [IPP] Apple has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and has comments Thread-Index: AQHOcy/DJ9MpWIf2AE6ONXQT8cSYnJlKTikw Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 00:58:35 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4E81BF05-F6EC-47DF-862E-4A5FC4DC3E61@apple.com> In-Reply-To: <4E81BF05-F6EC-47DF-862E-4A5FC4DC3E61@apple.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [13.41.230.90] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: "'ipp@pwg.org'" X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0245379855==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 74C527926D.A8706 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============0245379855== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_E4503CD23822BF45A1EAEDA0BC5F107404BF1963usa7109mb013nax_" --_000_E4503CD23822BF45A1EAEDA0BC5F107404BF1963usa7109mb013nax_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike, Yes, one of the states we would like to have is 'fax-out-modem-dialing' or = 'fax-modem-dialing'. Thanks, Daniel. From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Michael= Sweet Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 5:12 AM To: ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Apple has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and has comm= ents Follow-up comments based on the feedback we have gotten so far: Section 8.2 does not mention that the 'fax-modem-xxx' keywords are defined = in PWG 5107.3. Section 8.2 does not define the equivalent of the 'connecting-to-defice' va= lue from "printer-state-reasons". Should we define keyword(s) to describe t= his and/or the following intermediate states: Dialing, Answered, Training, = and Connected? Section 12.2 should not re-register PWG 5107.3 keyword values for "job-stat= e-reasons". Section 13.1 is missing a reference to PWG 5107.3. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --_000_E4503CD23822BF45A1EAEDA0BC5F107404BF1963usa7109mb013nax_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Yes, one of the states we= would like to have is ‘fax-out-modem-dialing’ or ‘fax-mo= dem-dialing’.

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From: ipp-boun= ces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweet
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 5:12 AM
To: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: [IPP] Apple has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and h= as comments

 

Follow-up comments based on the feedback we have got= ten so far:

 

Section 8.2 does not mention that the 'fax-modem-xxx= ' keywords are defined in PWG 5107.3.

 

Section 8.2 does not define the equivalent of the 'c= onnecting-to-defice' value from "printer-state-reasons". Should w= e define keyword(s= ) to describe this and/or the following intermediate states: Dialing, Answered, Training, and Connected?

 

Section 12.2 should not re-register PWG 5107.3 keywo= rd values for "job-state-reasons".

 

Section 13.1 is missing a reference to PWG 5107.3.

 

____________________________________________________= _____

Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System En= gineer, PWG Chair

 


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The reasoning is as follows: These names have already been approved (5107.3) and are in use (CUPS, which provided prototyping specifically for the preliminary fax support via efax). Like I've said on many occasions, we can change the definitions all we like, but unless we want the mess of supporting deprecated old names plus semantically identical new names I don't see the point in continuing discussion of changing the names. As for fax-in-* and fax-out-*, there are enough common states between receiver and sender that I would not want to double things up. > As part of training (speed or data rate such as 9600bps) and at the end of it, a TCF (Training Check Flag) is sent from the fax-out (sending) device to a fax-in (receiving) device. If there is a training failure, an FTT (Failure to Train) is sent back from the fax-in receiving device to the fax-out sending device. If there is no training failure, a CFR (Confirmation to Receive) is sent from the fax-in receiving device to the fax-out sending device. After sufficient number of training failures (usually 3), a DCN (Disconnect) signal is sent from fax-out device to fax-in device and the transmission stops. > > Likewise, if carrier is lost, there is no response received in terms of MCF (Message Confirmation) from fax-in device at the fax-out device. > > In either of the two cases, a failure to detect/receive CFR or MCF from the fax-in device at the fax-out device can trigger 'fax-out-modem-confirmation-not-received'. This is how the sending end will indicate that it lost its connection to the receiver. > > We still could have 'fax-modem-carrier-lost', but on the receiving device, and probably it is good to rename it as 'fax-in-modem-carrier-lost' indicating that this is an error on the fax-in device. Likewise, we could have 'fax-modem-training-failure' but on the receiving device only and it is good to rename it (something) as 'fax-in-modem-training-failure' or 'fax-in-modem-failure-to-train. > > I like to have the 'fax-out-*' and 'fax-in-*' syntax as it would be less confusing as to what mode a device is acting (as a sender or receiver). > > Thanks, > Daniel. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweet > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 5:07 AM > To: fx OHTAKE SHIN > Cc: ipp@pwg.org > Subject: [IPP] Re: Fuji Xerox has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and has comments > > Shin, > > Thanks for your comments! > > Responses inline... > > On 2013-06-26, at 10:25 PM, fx OHTAKE SHIN wrote: >> Greetings, >> >> Fuji Xerox has comments for the IPP FaxOut specification final call. >> >> ---- >> 8.2 job-state-reasons >> 1. fax-modem-carrier-lost >> See ITU-T T.30(09/2005)- Annex A Examples 13, FAX MSG carrier is lost >> by Called terminal. We think fax-modem-carrier-lost should be removed from the specification. >> If the specification supposes another case, tell us an example on the facsimile protocol sequence. > > But on the sending end we still need an indication that we lost the connection to the receiver. Would changing the definition here to something like "Lost connection to the receiver during send." be more descriptive? > > (in AT command set parlance, this would be a "NO CARRIER" response, received when the connection is lost) > >> 2. fax-modem-training-failure >> See ITU-T T.30(09/2005)-Appendix IV Examples 4, Training failure is >> detected by Called terminal. We think fax-modem-training-failure should be removed from the specification. >> If the specification supposes another case, tell us an example on the facsimile protocol sequence. > > But on the sending end we still need an indication that we were unable to connect to the receiver after the receiver answered the call. This definition has already been updated once, but I am happy to reword it again to make this clear - basically, 'fax-modem-training-failure' means that the receiver answered, the sender got the carrier tone, but the sender and receiver were unable to successfully negotiate a data rate. > > (in AT command set parlance, this is also a "NO CARRIER" response, received after dialing) > >> 3. fax-modem-voice-detected >> If fax-modem-voice-detected specified as a job state, it should change >> name to job-calling. Facsimile always detect sound other than a >> carrier tone while facsimile dialing numbers to detecting any >> facsimile signals, because facsimile may hear ringing tone or machine's voice(voice answer system), human's voice(fax manual receive). Therefore, fax-modem-voice-detected cannot specify as an error job reason, because of ringing tone. > > I'm not sure I understand your comment, but a couple things: > > 1. We can't change the names of these keywords: they were defined and approved last year as part of the Printer MIB and IPP MFD Alerts spec (PWG 5107.3-2012). Which of course I don't have referenced and am re-defining the names in the IANA section (editorial changes at least...) [NOTE TO SELF: Add 5107.3 IANA definitions to IPP registrations] > > 2. We do want a way to indicate when the receiver answers but does not respond with a carrier within the connection timeout setup in the modem. Again, falling back on the AT command set I would probably just get a "NO CARRIER" response and a hang-up, but some modems did/do report "DELAYED" for the additional rings - we *could* add a keyword for that ("fax-modem-delayed"? "fax-modem-waiting"?) but I'd like to leave this one as-is even if many implementations can't support 'fax-modem-voice-detected'. > > 3. None of these are unconditionally required to implement - certain keywords depend on hardware features that may not be supported by your products, and so naturally you won't report those (similar to how you might not have a duplexing unit in your printer and thus don't have to report or support the "sides" attribute...) > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Thu Jun 27 19:38:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE5C11E8155 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 19:38:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wIYV-zMFiwwd for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 19:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D6A211E8135 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 19:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F5B7927D; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 22:37:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from USA7109MR005.ACS-INC.COM (usa7109mr005.acs-inc.com [63.87.171.174]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A195479279 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 22:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usa7109ht004.na.xerox.net ([13.41.230.30]) by USA7109MR005.ACS-INC.COM with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 27 Jun 2013 21:37:10 -0500 Received: from USA7109MB013.na.xerox.net ([169.254.5.17]) by USA7109HT004.na.xerox.net ([13.41.230.30]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 21:37:10 -0500 From: "Manchala, Daniel" To: "'ipp@pwg.org'" Thread-Topic: Xerox has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and has comments Thread-Index: AQHOc6AlcRxZeWynRU6/PHGUvkfrNg== Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 02:37:09 +0000 Message-ID: References: <101E5D20AB29744AB6F7A3E58EBC916571AC1CAA0B@FX-JPN-EXMBV03.dc00.fujixerox.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [13.41.230.90] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Subject: [IPP] Xerox has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and has comments X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 77F5B7927D.A8B19 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Section 6.1 Send-Hardcopy-Document Operation This is a CONDITIONALLY REQUIRED Operation. The condition is that Printers = with one or more scanning accessories MUST support this operation. At the s= ame time, it requires that a client (SHOULD) check if the Printer supports = the operation by querying the "operation-supported" Printer Description, an= d clients discover the available input sources by querying "input-source-su= pported" Printer Description. Is it the case that the *client* (MUST or SHO= ULD ?) specify that the job input comes from a hard copy via the scan input= device? This requirement makes sense for small devices which are driven fr= om a client driver on their PC but doesn't make sense for an enterprise or = work group device which is shared by many users. Enterprise or work group d= evices have a local user interface which allow the user to program and subm= it jobs.=20 Section 7.1 - These are all new attributes which go along with the new oper= ation defined in section 6. As such they should be exempt (SHOULD as oppose= d to REQUIRED) if supplied by the user at client station. Section 7.2.2 - This attribute is specified as being "CONDITIONALLY REQUIRE= D". Does the REQUIRED apply to each of the member attributes? There are a n= umber of member attributes in this section which are not supposed to be ove= rridden by the user or client (reference to section 6 about clients gives t= he impression that the user supplies the values that override values from s= ystem), and some which can be optionally supplied.=20 * 7.2.2.1 date-time - this is not able to be overridden by the submitting u= ser. The system defines the submission time. * 7.2.2.2 from-name - this is filled in with the submitting user name (job-= originating-user-name) for the job. * 7.2.2.3 logo - This should be optional. * 7.2.2.4 message - This should be optional. * 7.2.2.5 organization-name - This should be optional. * 7.2.2.6 subject * 7.2.2.7 to-name - This should be optional. Section 7.2.4 - 7.2.6 all three of these are CONDITIONALLY REQUIRED for spo= oling devices. The number-of-retries, retry-interval, and retry-time-out ar= e all system level attributes that belong to the fax card and are not adjus= table on a job per job basis. Are we suggesting that the settings for these= attributes be exposed at a job level? Section 7.3.1 The destination-status for each recipient is contained comple= tely within the fax card and is only made available to the user through the= confirmation sheet. The job level status reported to the UI's and job hist= ory only give the overall status of the entire job. This attribute should b= e changed to SHOULD.=20 Sections 7.4.23 - 7.4.25 (printer-fax-modem-info, printer-fax-modem-name, p= rinter-fax-modem-number) Wish that these were SHOULD as opposed to REQUIRE= D as this will require the gathering of the information and make it availab= le to IPP (also privacy issues ...) - but otherwise ok.=20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Thu Jun 27 20:01:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C7E311E8135 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 20:01:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.400, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_53=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_55=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EKkJcRt12FBO for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 20:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C33711E80ED for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 20:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B114C79281; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 23:00:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from USA7109MR004.ACS-INC.COM (usa7109mr004.acs-inc.com [63.101.151.13]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5078B79279 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 23:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usa7109ht001.na.xerox.net ([13.41.230.31]) by USA7109MR004.ACS-INC.COM with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 27 Jun 2013 22:00:13 -0500 Received: from USA7109MB013.na.xerox.net ([169.254.5.17]) by USA7109HT001.na.xerox.net ([13.41.230.31]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 22:00:13 -0500 From: "Manchala, Daniel" To: 'Michael Sweet' Subject: RE: [IPP] Re: Fuji Xerox has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and has comments Thread-Topic: [IPP] Re: Fuji Xerox has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and has comments Thread-Index: AQHOc537RxkjofuiIkemjjHji9ajYplKamFA Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 03:00:12 +0000 Message-ID: References: <101E5D20AB29744AB6F7A3E58EBC916571AC1CAA0B@FX-JPN-EXMBV03.dc00.fujixerox.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [13.41.230.90] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: "'ipp@pwg.org'" X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: B114C79281.AA143 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mike, Yea, rewording the definitions makes sense then. Paraphrasing -- fax-modem-carrier-lost: Lost connection to the receiver during send. (Recei= ver detected loss of carrier and could not acknowledge reception of carrier= ). fax-modem-training-failure: The sender and receiver were unable to successf= ully negotiate a data rate. (Receiver was unable to agree with the data rat= e suggested by the sender (or) Receiver unable to receive the facsimile per= the suggested data rate) Or something better .... Daniel. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 6:22 PM To: Manchala, Daniel Cc: 'fx OHTAKE SHIN'; 'ipp@pwg.org' Subject: Re: [IPP] Re: Fuji Xerox has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification= and has comments Daniel, On 2013-06-27, at 8:26 PM, "Manchala, Daniel" w= rote: > I think renaming both 'fax-modem-carrier-lost' and 'fax-modem-training-fa= ilure' to something like 'fax-modem-confirmation-not-received' or 'fax-out-= modem-confirmation-not-received' would help. The reasoning is as follows: These names have already been approved (5107.3) and are in use (CUPS, which= provided prototyping specifically for the preliminary fax support via efax= ). Like I've said on many occasions, we can change the definitions all we like= , but unless we want the mess of supporting deprecated old names plus seman= tically identical new names I don't see the point in continuing discussion = of changing the names. As for fax-in-* and fax-out-*, there are enough common states between recei= ver and sender that I would not want to double things up. > As part of training (speed or data rate such as 9600bps) and at the end o= f it, a TCF (Training Check Flag) is sent from the fax-out (sending) device= to a fax-in (receiving) device. If there is a training failure, an FTT (Fa= ilure to Train) is sent back from the fax-in receiving device to the fax-ou= t sending device. If there is no training failure, a CFR (Confirmation to R= eceive) is sent from the fax-in receiving device to the fax-out sending dev= ice. After sufficient number of training failures (usually 3), a DCN (Disco= nnect) signal is sent from fax-out device to fax-in device and the transmis= sion stops. >=20 > Likewise, if carrier is lost, there is no response received in terms of M= CF (Message Confirmation) from fax-in device at the fax-out device.=20 >=20 > In either of the two cases, a failure to detect/receive CFR or MCF from t= he fax-in device at the fax-out device can trigger 'fax-out-modem-confirmat= ion-not-received'. This is how the sending end will indicate that it lost = its connection to the receiver. >=20 > We still could have 'fax-modem-carrier-lost', but on the receiving device= , and probably it is good to rename it as 'fax-in-modem-carrier-lost' indic= ating that this is an error on the fax-in device. Likewise, we could have '= fax-modem-training-failure' but on the receiving device only and it is good= to rename it (something) as 'fax-in-modem-training-failure' or 'fax-in-mod= em-failure-to-train. >=20 > I like to have the 'fax-out-*' and 'fax-in-*' syntax as it would be less = confusing as to what mode a device is acting (as a sender or receiver). >=20 > Thanks, > Daniel. >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of=20 > Michael Sweet > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 5:07 AM > To: fx OHTAKE SHIN > Cc: ipp@pwg.org > Subject: [IPP] Re: Fuji Xerox has reviewed the IPP FaxOut=20 > specification and has comments >=20 > Shin, >=20 > Thanks for your comments! >=20 > Responses inline... >=20 > On 2013-06-26, at 10:25 PM, fx OHTAKE SHIN = wrote: >> Greetings, >>=20 >> Fuji Xerox has comments for the IPP FaxOut specification final call. >>=20 >> ---- >> 8.2 job-state-reasons >> 1. fax-modem-carrier-lost >> See ITU-T T.30(09/2005)- Annex A Examples 13, FAX MSG carrier is lost=20 >> by Called terminal. We think fax-modem-carrier-lost should be removed fr= om the specification. >> If the specification supposes another case, tell us an example on the fa= csimile protocol sequence. >=20 > But on the sending end we still need an indication that we lost the conne= ction to the receiver. Would changing the definition here to something lik= e "Lost connection to the receiver during send." be more descriptive? >=20 > (in AT command set parlance, this would be a "NO CARRIER" response,=20 > received when the connection is lost) >=20 >> 2. fax-modem-training-failure >> See ITU-T T.30(09/2005)-Appendix IV Examples 4, Training failure is=20 >> detected by Called terminal. We think fax-modem-training-failure should = be removed from the specification. >> If the specification supposes another case, tell us an example on the fa= csimile protocol sequence. >=20 > But on the sending end we still need an indication that we were unable to= connect to the receiver after the receiver answered the call. This definit= ion has already been updated once, but I am happy to reword it again to mak= e this clear - basically, 'fax-modem-training-failure' means that the recei= ver answered, the sender got the carrier tone, but the sender and receiver = were unable to successfully negotiate a data rate. >=20 > (in AT command set parlance, this is also a "NO CARRIER" response,=20 > received after dialing) >=20 >> 3. fax-modem-voice-detected >> If fax-modem-voice-detected specified as a job state, it should=20 >> change name to job-calling. Facsimile always detect sound other than=20 >> a carrier tone while facsimile dialing numbers to detecting any=20 >> facsimile signals, because facsimile may hear ringing tone or machine's = voice(voice answer system), human's voice(fax manual receive). Therefore, f= ax-modem-voice-detected cannot specify as an error job reason, because of r= inging tone. >=20 > I'm not sure I understand your comment, but a couple things: >=20 > 1. We can't change the names of these keywords: they were defined and=20 > approved last year as part of the Printer MIB and IPP MFD Alerts spec=20 > (PWG 5107.3-2012). Which of course I don't have referenced and am=20 > re-defining the names in the IANA section (editorial changes at=20 > least...) [NOTE TO SELF: Add 5107.3 IANA definitions to IPP=20 > registrations] >=20 > 2. We do want a way to indicate when the receiver answers but does not re= spond with a carrier within the connection timeout setup in the modem. Agai= n, falling back on the AT command set I would probably just get a "NO CARRI= ER" response and a hang-up, but some modems did/do report "DELAYED" for the= additional rings - we *could* add a keyword for that ("fax-modem-delayed"?= "fax-modem-waiting"?) but I'd like to leave this one as-is even if many im= plementations can't support 'fax-modem-voice-detected'. >=20 > 3. None of these are unconditionally required to implement - certain=20 > keywords depend on hardware features that may not be supported by your=20 > products, and so naturally you won't report those (similar to how you=20 > might not have a duplexing unit in your printer and thus don't have to=20 > report or support the "sides" attribute...) >=20 > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >=20 >=20 > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailSc= anner, and is believed to be clean. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Thu Jun 27 23:25:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB49D21F9E17 for ; 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Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:23:46 +0900 From: fx OHTAKE SHIN To: "Manchala, Daniel" , "'Michael Sweet'" Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:23:44 +0900 Subject: RE: [IPP] Re: Fuji Xerox has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and has comments Thread-Topic: [IPP] Re: Fuji Xerox has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and has comments Thread-Index: AQHOc537RxkjofuiIkemjjHji9ajYplKamFAgAA9b4A= Message-ID: <101E5D20AB29744AB6F7A3E58EBC916571AC1CAC6B@FX-JPN-EXMBV03.dc00.fujixerox.net> References: <101E5D20AB29744AB6F7A3E58EBC916571AC1CAA0B@FX-JPN-EXMBV03.dc00.fujixerox.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: ja-JP Content-Language: ja-JP X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: ja-JP MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam: exempt X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [210.173.21.247] X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: "'ipp@pwg.org'" X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; 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Thanks, Shin // --------------------------------------------------------------------- Shin Ohtake CTPF4D, Fuji Xerox Co.,Ltd. phone: +81-45-755-5474 (direct) mail: shin.ohtake@fujixerox.co.jp --------------------------------------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: Manchala, Daniel [mailto:Daniel.Manchala@xerox.com] > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 12:00 PM > To: 'Michael Sweet' > Cc: fx OHTAKE SHIN; 'ipp@pwg.org' > Subject: RE: [IPP] Re: Fuji Xerox has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and has comments > > Mike, > > Yea, rewording the definitions makes sense then. > > Paraphrasing -- > > fax-modem-carrier-lost: Lost connection to the receiver during send. (Receiver detected loss of carrier and could > not acknowledge reception of carrier). > > fax-modem-training-failure: The sender and receiver were unable to successfully negotiate a data rate. (Receiver was > unable to agree with the data rate suggested by the sender (or) Receiver unable to receive the facsimile per the suggested > data rate) > > Or something better .... > > Daniel. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 6:22 PM > To: Manchala, Daniel > Cc: 'fx OHTAKE SHIN'; 'ipp@pwg.org' > Subject: Re: [IPP] Re: Fuji Xerox has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and has comments > > Daniel, > > On 2013-06-27, at 8:26 PM, "Manchala, Daniel" wrote: > > I think renaming both 'fax-modem-carrier-lost' and 'fax-modem-training-failure' to something like > 'fax-modem-confirmation-not-received' or 'fax-out-modem-confirmation-not-received' would help. The reasoning is as > follows: > > These names have already been approved (5107.3) and are in use (CUPS, which provided prototyping specifically for > the preliminary fax support via efax). > > Like I've said on many occasions, we can change the definitions all we like, but unless we want the mess of supporting > deprecated old names plus semantically identical new names I don't see the point in continuing discussion of changing > the names. > > As for fax-in-* and fax-out-*, there are enough common states between receiver and sender that I would not want to > double things up. > > > > As part of training (speed or data rate such as 9600bps) and at the end of it, a TCF (Training Check Flag) is sent > from the fax-out (sending) device to a fax-in (receiving) device. If there is a training failure, an FTT (Failure > to Train) is sent back from the fax-in receiving device to the fax-out sending device. If there is no training failure, > a CFR (Confirmation to Receive) is sent from the fax-in receiving device to the fax-out sending device. After sufficient > number of training failures (usually 3), a DCN (Disconnect) signal is sent from fax-out device to fax-in device and > the transmission stops. > > > > Likewise, if carrier is lost, there is no response received in terms of MCF (Message Confirmation) from fax-in device > at the fax-out device. > > > > In either of the two cases, a failure to detect/receive CFR or MCF from the fax-in device at the fax-out device > can trigger 'fax-out-modem-confirmation-not-received'. This is how the sending end will indicate that it lost its > connection to the receiver. > > > > We still could have 'fax-modem-carrier-lost', but on the receiving device, and probably it is good to rename it > as 'fax-in-modem-carrier-lost' indicating that this is an error on the fax-in device. Likewise, we could have > 'fax-modem-training-failure' but on the receiving device only and it is good to rename it (something) as > 'fax-in-modem-training-failure' or 'fax-in-modem-failure-to-train. > > > > I like to have the 'fax-out-*' and 'fax-in-*' syntax as it would be less confusing as to what mode a device is acting > (as a sender or receiver). > > > > Thanks, > > Daniel. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of > > Michael Sweet > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 5:07 AM > > To: fx OHTAKE SHIN > > Cc: ipp@pwg.org > > Subject: [IPP] Re: Fuji Xerox has reviewed the IPP FaxOut > > specification and has comments > > > > Shin, > > > > Thanks for your comments! > > > > Responses inline... > > > > On 2013-06-26, at 10:25 PM, fx OHTAKE SHIN wrote: > >> Greetings, > >> > >> Fuji Xerox has comments for the IPP FaxOut specification final call. > >> > >> ---- > >> 8.2 job-state-reasons > >> 1. fax-modem-carrier-lost > >> See ITU-T T.30(09/2005)- Annex A Examples 13, FAX MSG carrier is lost > >> by Called terminal. We think fax-modem-carrier-lost should be removed from the specification. > >> If the specification supposes another case, tell us an example on the facsimile protocol sequence. > > > > But on the sending end we still need an indication that we lost the connection to the receiver. Would changing > the definition here to something like "Lost connection to the receiver during send." be more descriptive? > > > > (in AT command set parlance, this would be a "NO CARRIER" response, > > received when the connection is lost) > > > >> 2. fax-modem-training-failure > >> See ITU-T T.30(09/2005)-Appendix IV Examples 4, Training failure is > >> detected by Called terminal. We think fax-modem-training-failure should be removed from the specification. > >> If the specification supposes another case, tell us an example on the facsimile protocol sequence. > > > > But on the sending end we still need an indication that we were unable to connect to the receiver after the receiver > answered the call. This definition has already been updated once, but I am happy to reword it again to make this clear > - basically, 'fax-modem-training-failure' means that the receiver answered, the sender got the carrier tone, but the > sender and receiver were unable to successfully negotiate a data rate. > > > > (in AT command set parlance, this is also a "NO CARRIER" response, > > received after dialing) > > > >> 3. fax-modem-voice-detected > >> If fax-modem-voice-detected specified as a job state, it should > >> change name to job-calling. Facsimile always detect sound other than > >> a carrier tone while facsimile dialing numbers to detecting any > >> facsimile signals, because facsimile may hear ringing tone or machine's voice(voice answer system), human's voice(fax > manual receive). Therefore, fax-modem-voice-detected cannot specify as an error job reason, because of ringing tone. > > > > I'm not sure I understand your comment, but a couple things: > > > > 1. We can't change the names of these keywords: they were defined and > > approved last year as part of the Printer MIB and IPP MFD Alerts spec > > (PWG 5107.3-2012). Which of course I don't have referenced and am > > re-defining the names in the IANA section (editorial changes at > > least...) [NOTE TO SELF: Add 5107.3 IANA definitions to IPP > > registrations] > > > > 2. We do want a way to indicate when the receiver answers but does not respond with a carrier within the connection > timeout setup in the modem. Again, falling back on the AT command set I would probably just get a "NO CARRIER" response > and a hang-up, but some modems did/do report "DELAYED" for the additional rings - we *could* add a keyword for that > ("fax-modem-delayed"? "fax-modem-waiting"?) but I'd like to leave this one as-is even if many implementations can't > support 'fax-modem-voice-detected'. > > > > 3. None of these are unconditionally required to implement - certain > > keywords depend on hardware features that may not be supported by your > > products, and so naturally you won't report those (similar to how you > > might not have a duplexing unit in your printer and thus don't have to > > report or support the "sides" attribute...) > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ipp mailing list > > ipp@pwg.org > > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair ------=_NextPart_000_0188_01CE7413.7A3FB840 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 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From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Fri Jun 28 05:54:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF43721F994C for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 05:54:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qv5JzdQq1BN1 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 05:54:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17BA121F9AC6 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 05:49:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69DC679294; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:48:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-out.apple.com (mail-out.apple.com [17.151.62.50]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB78479293 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:47:57 -0400 (EDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from relay3.apple.com ([17.128.113.83]) by mail-out.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTP id <0MP300C1YSVLAFH1@mail-out.apple.com> for ipp@pwg.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 05:47:51 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807153-b7f3c6d000007b32-b8-51cd85f42ab4 Received: from [17.153.102.103] (Unknown_Domain [17.153.102.103]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay3.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 90.AF.31538.6F58DC15; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 05:47:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Sweet In-reply-to: <4E81BF05-F6EC-47DF-862E-4A5FC4DC3E61@apple.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:47:47 -0400 Message-id: <77730CF6-C3BF-453E-A7EE-FF57DDA0CCA2@apple.com> References: <4E81BF05-F6EC-47DF-862E-4A5FC4DC3E61@apple.com> To: "ipp@pwg.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1782) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrDLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUiODMtXfd769lAg4/NfBbH9r1ksTjyLdaB yWPryR9sHvMWT2cKYIrisklJzcksSy3St0vgylgxZSJrwSWXitNPz7A0ML627mLk5JAQMJHY dbKbHcIWk7hwbz1bFyMXh5BAP5NE585WZpAEs0CCxNXP+8BsXgE9iaVHnjCC2MICXhKfN80E a2YTUJP4PamPFcTmFLCVaFzQxQZiswioSvzr+gHVayPxccEOoHoOoAU2Er8fR4KERQRkJVZd WMwEcYOsxLufsxgnMPLOQrJ5FpLNEHFtiWULXwPFOYBsHYnJC9GEIeyP548wLWBkW8UoUJSa k1hprJdYUJCTqpecn7uJERSGDYXBOxj/LLM6xCjAwajEw9uQeCZQiDWxrLgy9xCjBAezkghv V9PZQCHelMTKqtSi/Pii0pzU4kOM0hwsSuK8El7HA4UE0hNLUrNTUwtSi2CyTBycUg2MDVx/ zxV9i2QwWydnKv3vVtu/kvZTZcptnY9ebDr/luGjYYrxp6//u/fXi2lpLG+vnXSnVKNm1Wub o7vnt7soer4KviG9esJR2eDjrydVvewVXTVh10Pm/MUhDj/KdtXdfLnsvVvVXqUDAd9X/Lmq qWIwwSFrhtrDf3+FRfV3T+qc/3Va+LHFBUosxRmJhlrMRcWJAFYGRmg/AgAA X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Subject: [IPP] Apple has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and has comments X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1740093576==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 69DC679294.A9B58 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============1740093576== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ngViVhDz22RdEQd4eUcr5g)" --Boundary_(ID_ngViVhDz22RdEQd4eUcr5g) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Additional comments after review of the latest SM 2.0 document: Section 7.1.1: Add the following paragraph: "Note: The Semantic Model defines a single InputSource element, which does not capture all of the necessary input intent. IPP FaxOut instead maps elements from the CopyInTicket group to do so." [I wanted to add something about SM 2.0 adopting this approach, but we usually avoid prognostication in our specs...] Section 7.3: Add input-attributes-actual (1setOf collection), with reference to 7.1.1 for the member attributes. This provides a receipt of hardcopy input-attributes values. CONDITIONALLY REQUIRED for printers with scan capabilities. Section 7: Add new 7.x Document Description Attributes, 7.x.1 with input-attributes-actual (collection), with reference to 7.1.1 for the member attributes. This provides a per-document receipt of hardcopy input-attributes values. CONDITIONALLY REQUIRED for printers with scan capabilities and support for the document object. Section 9.2: Add input-attributes-actual job description attribute to list for scan-capable printers, add a new scan + document object paragraph for input-attributes-actual document description attribute. Section 12.1: Add input-attributes-actual job description and document description attributes. Section 13.1: Add reference to 5100.5 (document object) and 5108.04 (copy service) On Jun 27, 2013, at 8:12 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: > Follow-up comments based on the feedback we have gotten so far: > > Section 8.2 does not mention that the 'fax-modem-xxx' keywords are defined in PWG 5107.3. > > Section 8.2 does not define the equivalent of the 'connecting-to-defice' value from "printer-state-reasons". Should we define keyword(s) to describe this and/or the following intermediate states: Dialing, Answered, Training, and Connected? > > Section 12.2 should not re-register PWG 5107.3 keyword values for "job-state-reasons". > > Section 13.1 is missing a reference to PWG 5107.3. > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_ngViVhDz22RdEQd4eUcr5g) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Additional comments after = review of the latest SM 2.0 document:

Section 7.1.1: Add= the following paragraph:

    "Note: The= Semantic Model defines a single InputSource element, which does not captur= e all of the necessary input intent. IPP FaxOut instead maps elements from = the CopyInTicket group to do so." [I wanted to add something about SM 2.0 a= dopting this approach, but we usually avoid prognostication in our specs...= ]

Section 7.3: Add input-attributes-actual (1setOf= collection), with reference to 7.1.1 for the member attributes. This provi= des a receipt of hardcopy input-attributes values. CONDITIONALLY REQUIRED f= or printers with scan capabilities.

Section 7: Add= new 7.x Document Description Attributes, 7.x.1 with input-attributes-actua= l (collection), with reference to 7.1.1 for the member attributes. This pro= vides a per-document receipt of hardcopy input-attributes values. CONDITION= ALLY REQUIRED for printers with scan capabilities and support for the docum= ent object.

Section 9.2: Add input-attributes-actu= al job description attribute to list for scan-capable printers, add a new s= can + document object paragraph for input-attributes-actual document descri= ption attribute.

Section 12.1: Add input-attribute= s-actual job description and document description attributes.
Section 13.1: Add reference to 5100.5 (document object) and 510= 8.04 (copy service)


On Ju= n 27, 2013, at 8:12 AM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

Follow-up comme= nts based on the feedback we have gotten so far:

Section= 8.2 does not mention that the 'fax-modem-xxx' keywords are defined in PWG = 5107.3.

Section 8.2 does not define the equiv= alent of the 'connecting-to-defice' value from "printer-state-reasons". Sho= uld we define keyword(s) to d= escribe this and/or the following intermediate states: Dialing, Answered, Training, and Connected?

Section 12.2 should not re-register PWG 5107.3 keyword values = for "job-state-reasons".

Section 13.1 is missing a= reference to PWG 5107.3.

________________________= _________________________________
=
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Eng= ineer, PWG Chair


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On Jun 28, 2013, at 8:47 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: > Additional comments after review of the latest SM 2.0 document: > > Section 7.1.1: Add the following paragraph: > > "Note: The Semantic Model defines a single InputSource element, which does not capture all of the necessary input intent. IPP FaxOut instead maps elements from the CopyInTicket group to do so." [I wanted to add something about SM 2.0 adopting this approach, but we usually avoid prognostication in our specs...] > > Section 7.3: Add input-attributes-actual (1setOf collection), with reference to 7.1.1 for the member attributes. This provides a receipt of hardcopy input-attributes values. CONDITIONALLY REQUIRED for printers with scan capabilities. > > Section 7: Add new 7.x Document Description Attributes, 7.x.1 with input-attributes-actual (collection), with reference to 7.1.1 for the member attributes. This provides a per-document receipt of hardcopy input-attributes values. CONDITIONALLY REQUIRED for printers with scan capabilities and support for the document object. > > Section 9.2: Add input-attributes-actual job description attribute to list for scan-capable printers, add a new scan + document object paragraph for input-attributes-actual document description attribute. > > Section 12.1: Add input-attributes-actual job description and document description attributes. > > Section 13.1: Add reference to 5100.5 (document object) and 5108.04 (copy service) > > > On Jun 27, 2013, at 8:12 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: > >> Follow-up comments based on the feedback we have gotten so far: >> >> Section 8.2 does not mention that the 'fax-modem-xxx' keywords are defined in PWG 5107.3. >> >> Section 8.2 does not define the equivalent of the 'connecting-to-defice' value from "printer-state-reasons". Should we define keyword(s) to describe this and/or the following intermediate states: Dialing, Answered, Training, and Connected? >> >> Section 12.2 should not re-register PWG 5107.3 keyword values for "job-state-reasons". >> >> Section 13.1 is missing a reference to PWG 5107.3. >> >> _________________________________________________________ >> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_ZoojHyeCkbC5IwXSd+JQfA) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Still more:

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Section 7.4.3: The required list of cover-sheet-info member attributes= was not updated to use the new names "from-name" and "to-name".
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On Jun 28, 2013, at 8:47 AM, Michael Sweet <= ;msweet@apple.com> wrote:
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Additional comments after review of the latest SM 2.0 doc= ument:

Section 7.1.1: Add the following paragraph:
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    "Note: The Semantic Model defines a singl= e InputSource element, which does not capture all of the necessary input in= tent. IPP FaxOut instead maps elements from the CopyInTicket group to do so= ." [I wanted to add something about SM 2.0 adopting this approach, but we u= sually avoid prognostication in our specs...]

Sect= ion 7.3: Add input-attributes-actual (1setOf collection), with reference to= 7.1.1 for the member attributes. This provides a receipt of hardcopy input= -attributes values. CONDITIONALLY REQUIRED for printers with scan capabilit= ies.

Section 7: Add new 7.x Document Description A= ttributes, 7.x.1 with input-attributes-actual (collection), with reference = to 7.1.1 for the member attributes. This provides a per-document receipt of= hardcopy input-attributes values. CONDITIONALLY REQUIRED for printers with= scan capabilities and support for the document object.

Section 9.2: Add input-attributes-actual job description attribute to= list for scan-capable printers, add a new scan + document object paragraph= for input-attributes-actual document description attribute.

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Section 12.1: Add input-attributes-actual job description and do= cument description attributes.

Section 13.1: Add r= eference to 5100.5 (document object) and 5108.04 (copy service)
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On Jun 27, 2013, at 8:12 AM, Michael= Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wro= te:

= =
Follow-up comments based on the feedback we ha= ve gotten so far:

Section 8.2 does not mention that the = 'fax-modem-xxx' keywords are defined in PWG 5107.3.

Section 8.2 does not define the equivalent of the 'connecting-to-def= ice' value from "printer-state-reasons". Should we define keyword(s) to describe this and/or the follow= ing intermediate states:&nb= sp;Dialing, Answered, Train= ing, and Connected?

Section 12.2 shou= ld not re-register PWG 5107.3 keyword values for "job-state-reasons".
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Section 13.1 is missing a reference to PWG 5107.3.

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The condition is that Printers with one or more scanning accessories MUST support this operation. At the same time, it requires that a client (SHOULD) check if the Printer supports the operation by querying the "operation-supported" Printer Description, and clients discover the available input sources by querying "input-source-supported" Printer Description. Is it the case that the *client* (MUST or SHOULD ?) specify that the job input comes from a hard copy via the scan input device? This requirement makes sense for small devices which are driven from a client driver on their PC but doesn't make sense for an enterprise or work group device which is shared by many users. Enterprise or work group devices have a local user interface which allow the user to program and submit jobs. The original SM FaxOut Service spec made this operation REQUIRED (unconditionally). But even for office equipment, I think it makes sense to keep this conditionally required - consider someone at the MFD using their tablet of choice to send a fax. The application could be something created by the organization or something they've purchased as a solution, with the corresponding templates for a cover sheet, looking up of destinations from the user's address book, enforcement of corporate policy (e.g. anything faxed out has a copy sent to a corporate server for regulatory compliance), and so forth. Doing that on the MFD is conceivably possible but is cumbersome, particularly if multiple vendors and generations of products are in use. > Section 7.1 - These are all new attributes which go along with the new operation defined in section 6. As such they should be exempt (SHOULD as opposed to REQUIRED) if supplied by the user at client station. See above. > Section 7.2.2 - This attribute is specified as being "CONDITIONALLY REQUIRED". Does the REQUIRED apply to each of the member attributes? There are a number of member attributes in this section which are not supposed to be overridden by the user or client (reference to section 6 about clients gives the impression that the user supplies the values that override values from system), and some which can be optionally supplied. I can copy the minimum requirements from 7.4.3. > * 7.2.2.1 date-time - this is not able to be overridden by the submitting user. The system defines the submission time. This is part of the Semantic Model elements - if we shouldn't include this then I'll remove here and we should also remove it from the SM 2.0 elements as well. > * 7.2.2.2 from-name - this is filled in with the submitting user name (job-originating-user-name) for the job. This is the human-readable name supplied for the cover sheet. Consider an admin faxing a document for their boss. We could say something about the default from-name being the job-originating-user-name, though. > * 7.2.2.3 logo - This should be optional. It is. > * 7.2.2.4 message - This should be optional. It is. > * 7.2.2.5 organization-name - This should be optional. It is. > * 7.2.2.6 subject > > * 7.2.2.7 to-name - This should be optional. While there are cases where you blindly fax a document to a service center, there are also a lot of cases where you *do* know the recipient. Definitely optional to supply by the Client, but I think we need the Printer to support it if they support cover sheets (now just "from-name", "to-name", and "subject"). > Section 7.2.4 - 7.2.6 all three of these are CONDITIONALLY REQUIRED for spooling devices. The number-of-retries, retry-interval, and retry-time-out are all system level attributes that belong to the fax card and are not adjustable on a job per job basis. Are we suggesting that the settings for these attributes be exposed at a job level? They *are* exposed in the Semantic Model (otherwise I wouldn't have bothered). If the shouldn't be (fine by me) then I'll remove here and we need to remove from SM 2.0. If they stay then I should probably add some verbiage about Printers enforcing local regulatory requirements and reference the appropriate sections for the Printer Description attributes. > Section 7.3.1 The destination-status for each recipient is contained completely within the fax card and is only made available to the user through the confirmation sheet. The job level status reported to the UI's and job history only give the overall status of the entire job. This attribute should be changed to SHOULD. I would tend to disagree since per-destination status is needed to support Client managed retries, and it *is* part of the Semantic Model (though optional for the abstract service specification). While we *could* make this CONDITIONALLY REQUIRED for streaming devices, that seems inverted to me since a) spooling devices typically expose greater functionality and b) spooling devices may still stream for some document formats (e.g. PWG Raster). See the discussion on HP's comments for more info... > Sections 7.4.23 - 7.4.25 (printer-fax-modem-info, printer-fax-modem-name, printer-fax-modem-number) Wish that these were SHOULD as opposed to REQUIRED as this will require the gathering of the information and make it available to IPP (also privacy issues ...) - but otherwise ok. These come from the Semantic Model FaxOutServiceConfiguration group; the schema makes the FaxModems group optional here, but I think that is more a function of FaxOut also supporting non-modem fax delivery? 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All, Because we have not yet reached quorum, we need to extend the PWG Last Call of the IPP FaxOut Service specification to Friday, June 28, 2013 at 10pm US PT. Thank you everyone that has already responded to the last call. If you have not yet provided your acknowledgement for the IPP FaxOut Service specification, please do so at your earliest convenience. Thank you! On May 1, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: All, [This PWG Last Call starts today Wednesday May 1, 2013 and ends Friday June 7, 2013 at 10pm US PST.] This is the formal announcement of the PWG Last Call for the IPP FaxOut Service specification, located at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippfaxout10-20130501.pdf All required attributes and values defined in this document have been prototyped by Apple and/or other vendors. The IPP WG has completed extensive review of the various revisions of this document and an IPP WG last call. 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---------- Forwarded message ----------<= br>From: Michael Sweet = <msweet@apple.com>
= Date: Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 3:35 PM
Subject: [Pwg-Announce] EXTENDED: PWG Last Call of IPP FaxOut Service (05/0= 1/13 to 06/28/13)
To: "PWG Announcements Inc." <pwg-announce@pwg.org>


All,

Because we have not yet reached quorum, we need to = extend the PWG Last Call of the IPP FaxOut Service specification to Friday,= June 28, 2013 at 10pm US PT.

Thank you everyone t= hat has already responded to the last call. =A0If you have not yet provided= your acknowledgement for the IPP FaxOut Service specification, please do s= o at your earliest convenience.

Thank you!


On Ma= y 1, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

All,

[This PWG Last Call starts = today Wednesday May 1, 2013 and ends Friday June 7, 2013=A0at 10pm US PST.]=

This is the formal announcement of the PWG Last Call for the IPP Fa= xOut Service=A0specification, located at:

ftp://ftp.= pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippfaxout10-20130501.pdf

All required = attributes and values defined in this document have been prototyped by Appl= e=A0and/or other vendors. The IPP WG has completed extensive review of the = various revisions=A0of this document and an IPP WG last call.

The PWG Process/3.0 requires that a quorum (30%) of PWG voting members = must acknowledge a=A0PWG Last Call (with or without comments), before any d= ocument can progress to PWG Formal=A0Vote. =A0This PWG Last Call is NOT a F= ormal Vote but it DOES require your review=A0acknowledgment.


HOW TO RESPOND

Send an email with *exactly* the following su= bject line format:
Subject: <Company Name> has reviewed the IPP Fa= xOut specification and has [no] comments


WHERE TO SEND YOUR RESP= ONSE

Please send your response to *all* of the following email addresses (re= placing "dot" with=A0'.' and "at" with '@&#= 39;):

ipp "at" pwg "dot" org (IPP WG mailing lis= t - you must be subscribed!)
blueroofmusic "at" gmail "dot" com (Ira McDonald, IPP W= G Co-Chair)
ptykodi "at" tykodi "dot" com (Paul Tyko= di, IPP WG Co-Chair)
msweet "at" apple "dot" com (Mi= chael Sweet, IPP WG Secretary and IPP FaxOut Editor)

Note that you must be subscribed to the IPP WG mailing list to send ema= il there -=A0otherwise your email will be silently discarded.

Please= do NOT simply reply to this note on the PWG-Announce list.

Note: Th= e PWG Definition of the Standards Development Process Version 3.0 is locate= d at:

http://www.p= wg.org/chair/membership_docs/pwg-process30.pdf

_____________________________= ____________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System=A0Engineer, PWG Chair


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It's similar to the original IPP/1.1 (RFC 2911) "connecting-to-device", but that one's only intended for passing a whole Job to the output-device, not just the Job data (i.e, the FaxOut document content). BTW - I think we should NOT add "fax-modem-training", because it's a *very* short-lived state. Mike - we'll have to register this (and any other) new Printer MIB Alerts w/ IANA for the Printer MIB TC (as well as in the IPP Registry). Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Manchala, Daniel wrote: > Mike,**** > > ** ** > > Yes, one of the states we would like to have is =91fax-out-modem-dialing= =92 or > =91fax-modem-dialing=92.**** > > ** ** > > Thanks,**** > > Daniel.**** > > ** ** > > *From:* ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] *On Behalf Of *M= ichael > Sweet > *Sent:* Thursday, June 27, 2013 5:12 AM > *To:* ipp@pwg.org > *Subject:* [IPP] Apple has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and has > comments**** > > ** ** > > Follow-up comments based on the feedback we have gotten so far:**** > > ** ** > > Section 8.2 does not mention that the 'fax-modem-xxx' keywords are defined > in PWG 5107.3.**** > > ** ** > > Section 8.2 does not define the equivalent of the 'connecting-to-defice' > value from "printer-state-reasons". Should we define keyword(s) to > describe this and/or the following intermediate states: Dialing, Answered, > Training, and Connected?**** > > ** ** > > Section 12.2 should not re-register PWG 5107.3 keyword values for > "job-state-reasons".**** > > ** ** > > Section 13.1 is missing a reference to PWG 5107.3.**** > > ** ** > > _________________________________________________________**** > > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair**** > > ** ** > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. **** > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --047d7b1635f7ea6e3004e03a145a Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Daniel,

=
Perhaps we should add "fax-modem-dialing" as a state reason= (for the
Service and the FaxModem subunit) - but it's a very short= -lived state
to be capturing in printer-state-reasons.

It's similar to the original IPP/1.1 (RFC 2911) "connecting-to-d= evice",
but that one's only intended for passing a whole Job to= the output-device,
not just the Job data (i.e, the FaxOut document content).
BTW - I think we should NOT add "fax-modem-training"= , because it's
a *very* short-lived state.

Mike - we'll h= ave to register this (and any other) new Printer MIB Alerts
w/ IANA for the Printer MIB TC (as well as in the IPP Registry)= .

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
C= hair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP= WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded= Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites= .google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://si= tes.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:blueroo= fmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 = 734-944-0094
Summer=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2= 434



On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Manchal= a, Daniel <Daniel.Manchala@xerox.com> wrote:

Mike,

=A0<= /p>

Yes, one of the states we= would like to have is =91fax-out-modem-dialing=92 or =91fax-modem-dialing= =92.

=A0<= /p>

Thanks,

Daniel.

=A0<= /p>

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [= mailto:ipp-bounces= @pwg.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweet
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 5:12 AM
To: ipp@pwg.org=
Subject: [IPP] Apple has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and h= as comments

=A0

Follow-up comments based on the feedback we have got= ten so far:

=A0

Section 8.2 does not mention that the 'fax-modem= -xxx' keywords are defined in PWG 5107.3.

=A0

Section 8.2 does not define the equivalent of the &#= 39;connecting-to-defice' value from "printer-state-reasons". = Should we define=A0keyw= ord(s) to describe this and/or the following intermediate states:=A0Dialing, Answered, Training, and Connected?

=A0

Section 12.2 should not re-register PWG 5107.3 keywo= rd values for "job-state-reasons".

=A0

Section 13.1 is missing a reference to PWG 5107.3.

=A0

____________________________________________________= _____

Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System=A0Engineer, PWG Cha= ir

=A0


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On 2013-06-28, at 1:19 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > Hi Daniel, >=20 > Perhaps we should add "fax-modem-dialing" as a state reason (for the=20 > Service and the FaxModem subunit) - but it's a very short-lived state > to be capturing in printer-state-reasons. >=20 > It's similar to the original IPP/1.1 (RFC 2911) "connecting-to-device", > but that one's only intended for passing a whole Job to the output-device, > not just the Job data (i.e, the FaxOut document content). >=20 > BTW - I think we should NOT add "fax-modem-training", because it's > a *very* short-lived state. >=20 > Mike - we'll have to register this (and any other) new Printer MIB Alerts > w/ IANA for the Printer MIB TC (as well as in the IPP Registry). >=20 > Cheers, > - Ira >=20 >=20 > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 > Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Manchala, Daniel wrote: > Mike, >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Yes, one of the states we would like to have is =91fax-out-modem-dialing= =92 or =91fax-modem-dialing=92. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Daniel. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Micha= el Sweet > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 5:12 AM > To: ipp@pwg.org > Subject: [IPP] Apple has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and has co= mments >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Follow-up comments based on the feedback we have gotten so far: >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Section 8.2 does not mention that the 'fax-modem-xxx' keywords are define= d in PWG 5107.3. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Section 8.2 does not define the equivalent of the 'connecting-to-defice' = value from "printer-state-reasons". Should we define keyword(s) to describe= this and/or the following intermediate states: Dialing, Answered, Training= , and Connected? >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Section 12.2 should not re-register PWG 5107.3 keyword values for "job-st= ate-reasons". >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Section 13.1 is missing a reference to PWG 5107.3. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________ >=20 > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. >=20 >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >=20 >=20 _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_hBCJy3eXiOcjws2bmRKvLQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Ira,

Short-lived or not, capturing those states (and eventually, fax-modem-ri= nging for FaxIn?) allows us to report events/traps that clients can use to = present/update UI.


On 2013-06-28, at= 1:19 PM, Ira McDonald <bluer= oofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Daniel,

Perhaps we should add "fax-modem-dialing" as= a state reason (for the
Service and the FaxModem subunit) - but it's a= very short-lived state
to be capturing in printer-state-reasons.

It's similar to the original IPP/1.1 (RFC 2911) "connecting-to-device",but that one's only intended for passing a whole Job to the output-device= ,
not just the Job data (i.e, the FaxOut document content).

BTW - I think we should NOT add "fax-modem-training", because it'sa *very* short-lived state.

Mike - we'll have to register this (an= d any other) new Printer MIB Alerts
w/ IANA for the Printer MIB TC (as well as in the IPP Registry)= .

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
C= hair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP= WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded= Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites= .google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://si= tes.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:blueroo= fmusic@gmail.com
Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  = 48176  734-944-0094
Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI = 49839  906-494-2434



On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Manchal= a, Daniel <Daniel.Manchala@xerox.com> wrote:

Mike,<= /span>

 

Yes, one = of the states we would like to have is =91fax-out-modem-dialing=92 or =91fa= x-modem-dialing=92.

 

Thanks,

Daniel.

 

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.= org [mailto:ip= p-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweet
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 5:12 AM
To: ipp@pwg.org=
Subject: [IPP] Apple has reviewed the IPP FaxOut specification and h= as comments

 

Follow-up comments based on the feedback we have go= tten so far:

 

Section 8.2 does not mention that the 'fax-mode= m-xxx' keywords are defined in PWG 5107.3.

 

Section 8.2 does not define the equivalent of t= he 'connecting-to-defice' value from "printer-state-reasons". Should we def= ine keyword(s) to = describe this and/or the following intermediate states: Dialing, Answered, Training, and Connected?

 

Section 12.2 should not re-register PWG 5107.3 = keyword values for "job-state-reasons".

 

Section 13.1 is missing a reference to PWG 5107= .3.

 

_______________________________________________= __________

Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer,= PWG Chair

 


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Does IPP support a float or a double data type attri= bute syntax? I know it supports boolean, integer, text, name, uri, etc. I k= now that CUPS which is an IPP implementation supports float.

 

Thanks,

Daniel.


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Does IPP support a float or a double data type attribute syntax? I = know it supports boolean, integer, text, name, uri, etc.
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No, there are no floating-point data types in IP= P.

I know that CUPS which is an IPP implementation supports float.
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No, it actually doesn't.  CUPS= passes floating point numbers as name values (strings).

____________= _____________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Prin= ting System Engineer, PWG Chair


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