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All,
I have posted an updated version of "IPP Scan Service" that is ready for gr=
oup review.  Please review the clean version of the pdf and send any commen=
ts to the IPP mail list.  Please add this to the next IPP meeting agenda.

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-201301230.pdf
http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-201301230.pdf



ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-201301230.docx
http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-201301230.docx

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-201301230-rev.pdf
http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-201301230-rev.pdf

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-201301230-rev.docx
http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-201301230-rev.docx



Peter Zehler

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From: Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com>
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Hi Pete,

Thanks for your quick turnaround of a new version of IPP Scan Service.

We'll give some time to this at our next IPP WG telecon on 13 January.
I'd also like to spend some more time on IPP Implementor's Guide v2.0
and return to IPP Finishings v2.0 (we left off in September).

I may also have an update done of the IETF LDAP Printer Schema, based
on official IETF Apps Area review comments from Alexey Melnikov last
month.

I'm happy to give some priority to IPP Scan Service, but we need to
also continue to make progress on our other IPP specs this winter.

We can talk about schedules (and possibly even extra conference calls)
at our next IPP WG call.  Or anyone with an opinion or suggestion could
send a note to the IPP mailing list (with an obvious subject, please, not
just a reply to this thread about IPP Scan Service).

Cheers,
- Ira


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On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com>wrote=
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>
> All,
>
> I have posted an updated version of =93IPP Scan Service=94 that is ready =
for
> group review.  Please review the clean version of the pdf and send any
> comments to the IPP mail list.  Please add this to the next IPP meeting
> agenda.
>
>
>
> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-201301230.pdf
>
> http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-201301230.pdf
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-201301230.docx
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> http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-201301230.docx
>
>
>
> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-201301230-rev.pdf
>
> http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-201301230-rev.pdf
>
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>
> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-201301230-rev.docx
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> Peter Zehler
>
> Xerox Research Center Webster
> Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
> Voice: (585) 265-8755
> FAX: (585) 265-7441
> US Mail: Peter Zehler
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Hi Pete,<br><=
br></div>Thanks for your quick turnaround of a new version of IPP Scan Serv=
ice.<br><br></div>We&#39;ll give some time to this at our next IPP WG telec=
on on 13 January.<br>

</div>I&#39;d also like to spend some more time on IPP Implementor&#39;s Gu=
ide v2.0<br></div>and return to IPP Finishings v2.0 (we left off in Septemb=
er).=A0=A0 <br><br>I may also have an update done of the IETF LDAP Printer =
Schema, based <br>

on official IETF Apps Area review comments from Alexey Melnikov last <br>mo=
nth.<br></div></div><br></div>I&#39;m happy to give some priority to IPP Sc=
an Service, but we need to<br></div>also continue to make progress on our o=
ther IPP specs this winter.=A0 <br>

<br>We can talk about schedules (and possibly even extra conference calls) =
<br>at our next IPP WG call.=A0 Or anyone with an opinion or suggestion cou=
ld<br>send a note to the IPP mailing list (with an obvious subject, please,=
 not <br>

just a reply to this thread about IPP Scan Service).<br><br></div><div>Chee=
rs,<br></div><div>- Ira<br><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br c=
lear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Archit=
ect)<br>

Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Op=
en Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair -=
 IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IP=
P &amp; Printer MIB<br>

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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Zehler, =
Peter <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have posted an updated version of =93IPP Scan Serv=
ice=94 that is ready for group review.=A0 Please review the clean version o=
f the pdf and send any comments to the IPP mail list.=A0 Please add this to=
 the next IPP meeting agenda.
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Happy New Year!  We have a Cloud WG conference call scheduled for Monday 6
January at 3 PM ET.  There was some interesting traffic on the mail list
last month, but unfortunately no resolution to the impasse that we seem to
have arrived at. We cannot seem to get past the description of operations
and I have concluded that this is a problem with the model itself in that it
is not consistent with the structure that the  IPP WG has in mind. Since, so
far as I understand, IPP has not really addressed the concept of an Imaging
System and perhaps thinks it unnecessary even for entities performing
multifunction services. The model I proposed (and which appeared to be
accepted) is  system oriented in that information common to multiple
services was provided through the system but information specific to a
service (such as job specific information) was provided by the corresponding
service.

 

I have no wish to impose a particular model upon the group, but I cannot
continue with the specification without a model approach that the working
group and  I understand. I proposed an approach last month (below), to which
I have received no response. This would  eliminate all System communication
(and mention) with respect to using Imaging Services via the Cloud (I have
updated the diagram). Since this would be a major rewrite of the
specification ( and all of the sequence diagrams).  I would not proceed with
his approach without active working group consensus.

I suggest that establishing a model approach, either based on what I propose
or some other ideas, be the subject of Monday's conference call. Based on
consensus  (or lack of same, or lack of comment), we can decide whether
continue this project is warranted.

 

Thanks,

Bill Wagner

 

From: William A Wagner [mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 2:22 PM
To: 'Michael Sweet'
Cc: 'cloud@pwg.org'; 'ipp@pwg.org'; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion
list'
Subject: RE: [Cloud] Simplified Cloud Imaging Diagram for a typical MFD

 

All,

 

My intention is to determine how (and whether) to proceed with the Cloud
Model specification. It is apparent that there was some basic difference in
my approach and IPP SIX, and in attempting to address specific comments
(such as the name and content of what is now GetSystemNotification), I was
just hiding the inconsistency.

 

I propose a few points to revise the Cloud Specification in way that it will
not raise IPP objections. If these can be resolved, I will proceed with the
Cloud document.

1.       The model deals with use of the Imaging Services, not with
administration/management/maintenance. Or, if communication for
administration/management/maintenance must be addressed, it be in a separate
section.

2.       Eliminate all reference to  Device (whatever its meaning). All
specified communication is to Services from Proxies or Clients. Necessary
information  relating to physical entities is obtained via Services. I would
like to retain System as an element that contains  Services that are somehow
related in that the SystemControlService is aware of them.

3.       Although we should understand how communication from Proxy to the
Local Services could be conducted using the standard network interface
identified in the Semantic Model,  defining that communication  is not a
part of the Cloud Imaging Model and is not in the specification. It might
provide the basis for  a useful white paper.

4.       In an attempt to define a more efficient Proxy-Cloud communication,
the current Cloud Imaging specification provides for registering and
maintaining  communication on  System basis (via the Proxy and the
CloudSystemControl Service) as well as on an Imaging Service basis. The idea
was to communicate information common to multiple Services just once rather
than for each Service.  I proposed this expecting some objection. But the
comments just acted to overload this communication with information that a
SystemControlService would not normally have. That is, the Proxy has the
ability to aggregate and communicate information from all local Services; it
is perhaps unreasonable to add this requirement to the
CloudSystemControlService to the extent that it knows, for example,  what
Jobs are canceled, etc.

a.       The model can be simplified to just deal with imaging services. The
Proxy does not register the Local System with the CloudSystemControlService
nor does it communicate with the CloudSystemControlService. Information for
each Local Service is communicated to the corresponding Cloud Service
independently via the Proxy. The Proxy must periodically query each Cloud
Service with a GetFetchableJobs, and probably with a channel check and a
check for canceled jobs. GetSystemNotifications goes away, at least for
non-management functions.

b.      Alternatively, we posit some other service  associated with the
Cloud Imaging System that has detailed access to all associated Cloud
Services.

 

Thanks for your consideration and comments.

Bill Wagner

 

 

From: cloud-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of
William A Wagner
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 11:58 AM
To: 'Michael Sweet'
Cc: cloud@pwg.org; ipp@pwg.org; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion
list'
Subject: Re: [Cloud] Simplified Cloud Imaging Diagram for a typical MFD

 

Michael and Ira,

 

I offer the following observation, subject of course to expert comment.

The IPP multifunction approach is evolving from IPP where there was just one
type of service and the client dealt just with a Printer Object, that it
accessed via a print service. Any necessary  information about the physical
"output" device came though the Service connection.  I am not sure how IPP
multifunction will evolve, but it could also have the normal user deal with
just the service he is interested in and any necessary  information about
the "endpoint" comes though the Service connection. The IPP "System Control
Service" would then be devoted to monitoring and management of the "Imaging
System" and any physical components that were a part of it.

 

True, the Semantic Model evolved from IPP. But the current version of the
Semantic Model specifically addressed an MFD, considering how to handle
multiple types of imaging services. So the Printer became expanded to an
Imaging System and a System Control Service was  defined to provide access
to System Elements. I have perhaps overstressed the "Imaging System"  and,
as Ira points out, the system may not relate to a device in the case of a
distributed .  Perhaps the basic imaging services user  need never even be
aware that there is a system.

 

So, if I drop my MFD mindset,  a reasonable network model has the Imaging
Services User just accessing the desire imaging service. Access to the
System Control Service is limited to supervisory/management/maintenance
users. As far as the basic User is concerned, there is no Imaging  System
and no *Imaging Device*; there are Services and elements in the Service
provide information on the location of the endpoint, the IPP *physical
device*. 

 

However, for practical purposes, there may still be  justification for the
Proxy to access the Cloud System Control Service (or some other Cloud-based
component) that can provide/accept summary information for/from the Proxy
just as the Proxy can provide summary information for the Local  Services.
The alternative, which would be simpler but involve more traffic, would be
for the Proxy to just communicate with each Cloud Service independently.

 

So, the diagram would show the both Cloud and local Services (including
System Control Service) as being within Imaging Systems and the Proxy  would
interface with each Cloud Service and each local service. 

 Thanks, Bill Wagner

Basic Model 2.jpg

 

From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 9:04 AM
To: William A Wagner
Cc: <cloud@pwg.org>; <ipp@pwg.org>; Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion
list
Subject: Re: [Cloud] Simplified Cloud Imaging Diagram for a typical MFD

 

Bill,

 

On Dec 11, 2013, at 1:24 AM, William A Wagner <wamwagner@comcast.net> wrote:

Michael,

 

Thank you for the diagram. Some observations, rather that objections,
particularly in areas that appear different from the model  and diagram we
had previously agreed to and that seem inconsistent with the Semantic Model.

1.      We had avoided showing the interface between the proxy and  local
services, although the intention in defining the Proxy->Cloud  operations
was that the Proxy could communicate with the local services using the
standard client-imaging service operations.

 

True, but since we had our discussion in Monday's Cloud concall I felt it
might be useful to expose it, at least for a "big picture" diagram.  And
this *does* mirror the IPP model diagrams in RFC 2911 and IPPSIX (figures 1
and 3) where a local print service is connected to the IPP Server or IPP
Proxy.  IPP Server + Print Service == IPP Printer.

 

 

2.      But having shown these connections, I wonder about the dotted line
from the proxy to the Local System Control Service. I would expect that the
Proxy acts as a proxy for the Local System Control Service to the same
extent that it acts for the imaging services.

 

I made the line dotted mainly because we hadn't defined a concrete
relationship - the proxy might get a list of services to register from the
local system control service *or* it might get it from another source (web
interface, etc.), which gets it from the local system control service.
Architecturally we may not care beyond the fact that the Semantic Model
defines the local system control service in the model for an imaging
device/system - that is something we should probably decide on and document
in the Cloud model.

 

3.      According to the Semantic Model, there is an extensive client
interface to the System Control Service that provides access to both System
Control Service elements and System Object elements (SystemConfiguration,
SystemDescription, and SystemStatus). However, the diagram shows no System
Object either at the Cloud Level or the Local level ("Imaging System" in the
lower right  hand corner not withstanding.) The sort of information that a
User might want to know about the physical location of the "device" (however
one may wish to define it) is in the System Description. The UUID for the
imaging device is the System UUID. I suggest that, as in the previous
diagram,  there is both a Cloud Imaging System and, if we are showing things
beyond the Proxy, a Local Imaging System.

 

Adding the system object to the diagram would probably be useful.  I'm not
sure how we would show connections *to* this object, or whether we should
(for purposes of simplifying the diagram) just update the system control
service boxes to be "system control service and system object"?

 

4.      The diagram does not clear up the difference between a IPP Physical
Device and a Semantic  Model Device.  By the  SM definition  definition,
the Imaging Services  are physically embodied within one  or more physical
devices. In most cases ( and certainly for a basic MFD), the Imaging  System
represents the elements of the Device and the System Control Service
provides access to the values of these elements. Therefore, in an SM based
model, I suggest that there are no lines from Imaging Services to the
Device. Indeed, after the last Cloud call, I am eliminating all reference to
"Device"  as an actor in the cloud specification, in favor of System. 

 

Ira made some good comments, but I'll add one: you'll notice that the proxy
is only connected to services.  Only the local services are connected to the
physical device.  I believe that both mirrors our discussions and matches
the Semantic Model and IPP notions of separation.

 

5.      You presented a good argument for making IPP Identify Printer a
service operation, primarily by stating that a normal user would be using a
connection to a Imaging service not the System Control Service.  I am unsure
of the intent or limitations of the Client to Cloud System Control Service
path shown in the diagram (is ListAllServices the only operation allowed?)
However, although discovery is nominally of Imaging Services, it seems that
the in the Semantic Model physical elements of interest in discovery should
be accessed via the System Control Service, suggesting that a normal client
should have at least read access to the System Control Service.  It would
seem reasonable that it could also trigger an Identify via this path.

 

I should probably remove all of the operation names from the diagram and add
letter/number identifiers (as Smith has suggested).  I shows
"ListAllServices" as the most likely operation a client would use in order
to discover which imaging services are available, in preparation for
creating a job, etc. on a specific service. Clearly the client would be able
to perform any supported operation of the system control service, and I
agree IdentifyDevice is one of the expected operations.

 

So, the diagram appears to reflect a IPP model using IPP terminology and
does not reflect the Semantic Model of a System containing Services with
system specific elements accessed via a System Control Service. Am I missing
something?

 

Actually, I believe the bottom half of the diagram looks a lot like Figure 6
of MFD Common Model (PWG 5108.1), just turned on its side and combining the
marker and scanner subunits as the "physical device" (also a SM term that is
shared with IPP - perhaps you would prefer "Multifunction Device" or
"Multifunction Device/Subunits" here?)

 

...

 

Please remember: Semantic Model came from IPP. While some of the terminology
was changed in the move to support multifunction services, and some of the
responsibilities are moved around (i.e. system control service), the overall
model remains the same.  The IPP Printer is an IPP Server talking to an
Imaging Service, just as a web service binding using the Semantic Model
schema and WSDL files is an XML-RPC server talking to an Imaging Service.
In both cases the imaging services are talking to the hardware subunits (as
needed) with implementation-defined coordination with the System Control
Service.

 

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair

 


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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Happy New Year!&nbsp; We have a Cloud WG conference call scheduled =
for Monday 6 January at 3 PM ET.&nbsp; There was some interesting =
traffic on the mail list last month, but unfortunately no resolution to =
the impasse that we seem to have arrived at. We cannot seem to get past =
the description of operations and I have concluded that this is a =
problem with the model itself in that it is not consistent with the =
structure that the &nbsp;IPP WG has in mind. Since, so far as I =
understand, IPP has not really addressed the concept of an Imaging =
System and perhaps thinks it unnecessary even for entities performing =
multifunction services. The model I proposed (and which appeared to be =
accepted) is &nbsp;system oriented in that information common to =
multiple services was provided through the system but information =
specific to a service (such as job specific information) was provided by =
the corresponding service.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I have no wish to impose a particular model upon the group, but I =
cannot continue with the specification without a model approach that the =
working group and &nbsp;I understand. I proposed an approach last month =
(below), to which I have received no response. This would =
&nbsp;eliminate all System communication (and mention) with respect to =
using Imaging Services via the Cloud (I have updated the diagram). Since =
this would be a major rewrite of the specification ( and all of the =
sequence diagrams). &nbsp;I would not proceed with his approach without =
active working group consensus.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I suggest that establishing a model approach, either based on what I =
propose or some other ideas, be the subject of Monday&#8217;s conference =
call. Based on consensus&nbsp; (or lack of same, or lack of comment), we =
can decide whether continue this project is =
warranted.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Bill Wagner<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
William A Wagner [mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net] <br><b>Sent:</b> =
Thursday, December 12, 2013 2:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Michael =
Sweet'<br><b>Cc:</b> 'cloud@pwg.org'; 'ipp@pwg.org'; 'Semantic Model 3.0 =
Workgroup discussion list'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Cloud] Simplified =
Cloud Imaging Diagram for a typical =
MFD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>My intention is to determine how (and whether) to proceed with the =
Cloud Model specification. It is apparent that there was some basic =
difference in my approach and IPP SIX, and in attempting to address =
specific comments (such as the name and content of what is now =
GetSystemNotification), I was just hiding the =
inconsistency.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I propose a few points to revise the Cloud Specification in way that =
it will not raise IPP objections. If these can be resolved, I will =
proceed with the Cloud document.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times =
New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The model deals with use of the Imaging Services, not with =
administration/management/maintenance. Or, if communication for =
administration/management/maintenance must be addressed, it be in a =
separate section.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if =
!supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times =
New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Eliminate all reference to &nbsp;Device (whatever its meaning). All =
specified communication is to Services from Proxies or Clients. =
Necessary information&nbsp; relating to physical entities is obtained =
via Services. I would like to retain System as an element that contains =
&nbsp;Services that are somehow related in that the SystemControlService =
is aware of them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if =
!supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times =
New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Although we should understand how communication from Proxy to the =
Local Services could be conducted using the standard network interface =
identified in the Semantic Model, &nbsp;defining that =
communication&nbsp; is not a part of the Cloud Imaging Model and is not =
in the specification. It might provide the basis for &nbsp;a useful =
white paper.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if =
!supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times =
New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>In an attempt to define a more efficient Proxy-Cloud communication, =
the current Cloud Imaging specification provides for registering and =
maintaining &nbsp;communication on&nbsp; System basis (via the Proxy and =
the &nbsp;CloudSystemControl Service) as well as on an Imaging Service =
basis. The idea was to communicate information common to multiple =
Services just once rather than for each Service. &nbsp;I proposed this =
expecting some objection. But the comments just acted to overload this =
communication with information that a SystemControlService would not =
normally have. That is, the Proxy has the ability to aggregate and =
communicate information from all local Services; it is perhaps =
unreasonable to add this requirement to the CloudSystemControlService to =
the extent that it knows, for example, &nbsp;what Jobs are canceled, =
etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level2 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>a.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times =
New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The model can be simplified to just deal with imaging services. The =
Proxy does not register the Local System with the =
CloudSystemControlService nor does it communicate with the =
CloudSystemControlService. Information for each Local Service is =
communicated to the corresponding Cloud Service &nbsp;independently via =
the Proxy. The Proxy must periodically query each Cloud Service with a =
GetFetchableJobs, and probably with a channel check and a check for =
canceled jobs. GetSystemNotifications goes away, at least for =
non-management functions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level2 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>b.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times =
New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Alternatively, we posit some other service&nbsp; associated with the =
Cloud Imaging System that has detailed access to all associated Cloud =
Services.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thanks for your consideration and comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Bill Wagner<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
<a href=3D"mailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org">cloud-bounces@pwg.org</a> [<a =
href=3D"mailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org">mailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org</a>] =
<b>On Behalf Of </b>William A Wagner<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December =
11, 2013 11:58 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Michael Sweet'<br><b>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:cloud@pwg.org">cloud@pwg.org</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a>; 'Semantic Model 3.0 =
Workgroup discussion list'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cloud] Simplified =
Cloud Imaging Diagram for a typical =
MFD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Michael and Ira,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I offer the following observation, subject of course to expert =
comment.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The IPP multifunction approach is evolving from IPP where there was =
just one type of service and the client dealt just with a Printer =
Object, that it accessed via a print service. Any necessary =
&nbsp;information about the physical &#8220;output&#8221; device came =
though the Service connection.&nbsp; I am not sure how IPP multifunction =
will evolve, but it could also have the normal user deal with just the =
service he is interested in and any necessary &nbsp;information about =
the &#8220;endpoint&#8221; comes though the Service connection. The IPP =
&#8220;System Control Service&#8221; would then be devoted to monitoring =
and management of the &#8220;Imaging System&#8221; and any physical =
components that were a part of it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>True, the Semantic Model evolved from IPP. But the current version of =
the Semantic Model specifically addressed an MFD, considering how to =
handle multiple types of imaging services. So the Printer became =
expanded to an Imaging System and a System Control Service was =
&nbsp;defined to provide access to System Elements. I have perhaps =
overstressed the &#8220;Imaging System&#8221;&nbsp; and, as Ira points =
out, the system may not relate to a device in the case of a distributed =
.&nbsp; Perhaps the basic imaging services user&nbsp; need never even be =
aware that there is a system.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>So, if I drop my MFD mindset, &nbsp;a reasonable network model has =
the Imaging Services User just accessing the desire imaging service. =
Access to the System Control Service is limited to =
supervisory/management/maintenance users. As far as the basic User is =
concerned, there is no Imaging &nbsp;System and no *Imaging Device*; =
there are Services and elements in the Service provide information on =
the location of the endpoint, the IPP *physical device*. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>However, for practical purposes, there may still be&nbsp; =
justification for the Proxy to access the Cloud System Control Service =
(or some other Cloud-based component) that can provide/accept summary =
information for/from the Proxy just as the Proxy can provide summary =
information for the Local &nbsp;Services. The alternative, which would =
be simpler but involve more traffic, would be for the Proxy to just =
communicate with each Cloud Service =
independently.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>So, the diagram would show the both Cloud and local Services =
(including System Control Service) as being within Imaging Systems and =
the Proxy &nbsp;would interface with each Cloud Service and each local =
service. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;Thanks, Bill Wagner<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><img border=3D0 width=3D702 height=3D654 id=3D"Picture_x0020_0" =
src=3D"cid:image002.jpg@01CF07C5.EA361B80" alt=3D"Basic Model =
2.jpg"></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Michael Sweet [<a =
href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com">mailto:msweet@apple.com</a>] =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 11, 2013 9:04 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
William A Wagner<br><b>Cc:</b> &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:cloud@pwg.org">cloud@pwg.org</a>&gt;; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a>&gt;; Semantic Model 3.0 =
Workgroup discussion list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cloud] Simplified =
Cloud Imaging Diagram for a typical =
MFD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Bill,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Dec 11, 2013, at 1:24 AM, William A Wagner &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net">wamwagner@comcast.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Michael,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Thank you =
for the diagram. Some observations, rather that objections, =
&nbsp;particularly in areas that appear different from the model =
&nbsp;and diagram we had previously agreed to and that seem inconsistent =
with the Semantic Model.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>We had =
avoided showing the interface between the proxy and &nbsp;local =
services, although the intention in defining the Proxy-&gt;Cloud =
&nbsp;operations was that the Proxy could communicate with the local =
services using the standard client-imaging service =
operations.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>True, =
but since we had our discussion in Monday's Cloud concall I felt it =
might be useful to expose it, at least for a &quot;big picture&quot; =
diagram. &nbsp;And this *does* mirror the IPP model diagrams in RFC 2911 =
and IPPSIX (figures 1 and 3) where a local print service is connected to =
the IPP Server or IPP Proxy. &nbsp;IPP Server + Print Service =3D=3D IPP =
Printer.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>But having =
shown these connections, I wonder about the dotted line from the proxy =
to the Local System Control Service. I would expect that the Proxy acts =
as a proxy for the Local System Control Service to the same extent that =
it acts for the imaging services.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I made =
the line dotted mainly because we hadn't defined a concrete relationship =
- the proxy might get a list of services to register from the local =
system control service *or* it might get it from another source (web =
interface, etc.), which gets it from the local system control service. =
&nbsp;Architecturally we may not care beyond the fact that the Semantic =
Model defines the local system control service in the model for an =
imaging device/system - that is something we should probably decide on =
and document in the Cloud model.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>According =
to the Semantic Model, there is an extensive client interface to the =
System Control Service that provides access to both System Control =
Service elements and System Object elements (SystemConfiguration, =
SystemDescription, and SystemStatus). However, the diagram shows no =
System Object either at the Cloud Level or the Local level =
(&#8220;Imaging System&#8221; in the lower right&nbsp; hand corner not =
withstanding.) The sort of information that a User might want to know =
about the physical location of the &#8220;device&#8221; (however one may =
wish to define it) is in the System Description. The UUID for the =
imaging device is the System UUID. I suggest that, as in the previous =
diagram, &nbsp;there is both a Cloud Imaging System and, if we are =
showing things beyond the Proxy, a Local Imaging =
System.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Adding =
the system object to the diagram would probably be useful. &nbsp;I'm not =
sure how we would show connections *to* this object, or whether we =
should (for purposes of simplifying the diagram) just update the system =
control service boxes to be &quot;system control service and system =
object&quot;?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The =
diagram does not clear up the difference between a IPP Physical Device =
and a Semantic &nbsp;Model Device. &nbsp;By the &nbsp;SM definition =
&nbsp;definition, &nbsp;the Imaging Services &nbsp;are physically =
embodied within one&nbsp; or more physical devices. In most cases ( and =
certainly for a basic MFD), the Imaging &nbsp;System represents the =
elements of the Device and the System Control Service provides access to =
the values of these elements. Therefore, in an SM based model, I suggest =
that there are no lines from Imaging Services to the Device. Indeed, =
after the last Cloud call, I am eliminating all reference to =
&#8220;Device&#8221; &nbsp;as an actor in the cloud specification, in =
favor of System. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ira =
made some good comments, but I'll add one: you'll notice that the proxy =
is only connected to services. &nbsp;Only the local services are =
connected to the physical device. &nbsp;I believe that both mirrors our =
discussions and matches the Semantic Model and IPP notions of =
separation.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>You =
presented a good argument for making IPP Identify Printer a service =
operation, primarily by stating that a normal user would be using a =
connection to a Imaging service not the System Control Service. &nbsp;I =
am unsure&nbsp; of the intent or limitations of the Client to Cloud =
System Control Service path shown in the diagram (is ListAllServices the =
only operation allowed?) &nbsp;However, although discovery is nominally =
of Imaging Services, it seems that the in the Semantic Model physical =
elements of interest in discovery should be accessed via the System =
Control Service, suggesting that a normal client should have at least =
read access to the System Control Service. &nbsp;It would seem =
reasonable that it could also trigger an Identify via this =
path.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
should probably remove all of the operation names from the diagram and =
add letter/number identifiers (as Smith has suggested). &nbsp;I shows =
&quot;ListAllServices&quot; as the most likely operation a client would =
use in order to discover which imaging services are available, in =
preparation for creating a job, etc. on a specific service. Clearly the =
client would be able to perform any supported operation of the system =
control service, and I agree IdentifyDevice is one of the expected =
operations.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>So, the =
diagram appears to reflect a IPP model using IPP terminology and does =
not reflect the Semantic Model of a System containing Services with =
system specific elements accessed via a System Control Service. Am I =
missing something?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Actually, I believe the bottom half of the diagram =
looks a lot like Figure 6 of MFD Common Model (PWG 5108.1), just turned =
on its side and combining the marker and scanner subunits as the =
&quot;physical device&quot; (also a SM term that is shared with IPP - =
perhaps you would prefer &quot;Multifunction Device&quot; or =
&quot;Multifunction Device/Subunits&quot; =
here?)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Please remember: Semantic Model came from IPP. While =
some of the terminology was changed in the move to support multifunction =
services, and some of the responsibilities are moved around (i.e. system =
control service), the overall model remains the same. &nbsp;The IPP =
Printer is an IPP Server talking to an Imaging Service, just as a web =
service binding using the Semantic Model schema and WSDL files is an =
XML-RPC server talking to an Imaging Service. &nbsp;In both cases the =
imaging services are talking to the hardware subunits (as needed) with =
implementation-defined coordination with the System Control =
Service.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Andale =
Mono";color:black'>______________________________________________________=
___<br>Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System&nbsp;Engineer, PWG =
Chair<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
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Hi Bill,

 

Happy New Year to you as well! Thank you for all the effort you have put
into the forthcoming Cloud specification to date.

 

Overall I think your approach is sound and that it addresses the challenges
of implementing the PWG Semantic Model within a Cloud environment quite
well.

 

In terms of the issues you raise in point #4 below, do you believe we could
resolve them by creating a notification service to handle the communication
about the status of jobs and services?

 

Thanks.

 

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From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of William
A Wagner
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 2:21 PM
To: cloud@pwg.org
Cc: ipp@pwg.org; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list'
Subject: [IPP] Cloud Concall Jan 6 at 3PM EST

 

Happy New Year!  We have a Cloud WG conference call scheduled for Monday 6
January at 3 PM ET.  There was some interesting traffic on the mail list
last month, but unfortunately no resolution to the impasse that we seem to
have arrived at. We cannot seem to get past the description of operations
and I have concluded that this is a problem with the model itself in that it
is not consistent with the structure that the  IPP WG has in mind. Since, so
far as I understand, IPP has not really addressed the concept of an Imaging
System and perhaps thinks it unnecessary even for entities performing
multifunction services. The model I proposed (and which appeared to be
accepted) is  system oriented in that information common to multiple
services was provided through the system but information specific to a
service (such as job specific information) was provided by the corresponding
service.

 

I have no wish to impose a particular model upon the group, but I cannot
continue with the specification without a model approach that the working
group and  I understand. I proposed an approach last month (below), to which
I have received no response. This would  eliminate all System communication
(and mention) with respect to using Imaging Services via the Cloud (I have
updated the diagram). Since this would be a major rewrite of the
specification ( and all of the sequence diagrams).  I would not proceed with
his approach without active working group consensus.

I suggest that establishing a model approach, either based on what I propose
or some other ideas, be the subject of Monday's conference call. Based on
consensus  (or lack of same, or lack of comment), we can decide whether
continue this project is warranted.

 

Thanks,

Bill Wagner

 

 

From: William A Wagner [mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 2:22 PM
To: 'Michael Sweet'
Cc: 'cloud@pwg.org'; 'ipp@pwg.org'; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion
list'
Subject: RE: [Cloud] Simplified Cloud Imaging Diagram for a typical MFD

 

All,

 

My intention is to determine how (and whether) to proceed with the Cloud
Model specification. It is apparent that there was some basic difference in
my approach and IPP SIX, and in attempting to address specific comments
(such as the name and content of what is now GetSystemNotification), I was
just hiding the inconsistency.

 

I propose a few points to revise the Cloud Specification in way that it will
not raise IPP objections. If these can be resolved, I will proceed with the
Cloud document.

1.       The model deals with use of the Imaging Services, not with
administration/management/maintenance. Or, if communication for
administration/management/maintenance must be addressed, it be in a separate
section.

2.       Eliminate all reference to  Device (whatever its meaning). All
specified communication is to Services from Proxies or Clients. Necessary
information  relating to physical entities is obtained via Services. I would
like to retain System as an element that contains  Services that are somehow
related in that the SystemControlService is aware of them.

3.       Although we should understand how communication from Proxy to the
Local Services could be conducted using the standard network interface
identified in the Semantic Model,  defining that communication  is not a
part of the Cloud Imaging Model and is not in the specification. It might
provide the basis for  a useful white paper.

4.       In an attempt to define a more efficient Proxy-Cloud communication,
the current Cloud Imaging specification provides for registering and
maintaining  communication on  System basis (via the Proxy and the
CloudSystemControl Service) as well as on an Imaging Service basis. The idea
was to communicate information common to multiple Services just once rather
than for each Service.  I proposed this expecting some objection. But the
comments just acted to overload this communication with information that a
SystemControlService would not normally have. That is, the Proxy has the
ability to aggregate and communicate information from all local Services; it
is perhaps unreasonable to add this requirement to the
CloudSystemControlService to the extent that it knows, for example,  what
Jobs are canceled, etc.

a.       The model can be simplified to just deal with imaging services. The
Proxy does not register the Local System with the CloudSystemControlService
nor does it communicate with the CloudSystemControlService. Information for
each Local Service is communicated to the corresponding Cloud Service
independently via the Proxy. The Proxy must periodically query each Cloud
Service with a GetFetchableJobs, and probably with a channel check and a
check for canceled jobs. GetSystemNotifications goes away, at least for
non-management functions.

b.      Alternatively, we posit some other service  associated with the
Cloud Imaging System that has detailed access to all associated Cloud
Services.

 

Thanks for your consideration and comments.

Bill Wagner

 

 

From: cloud-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of
William A Wagner
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 11:58 AM
To: 'Michael Sweet'
Cc: cloud@pwg.org; ipp@pwg.org; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion
list'
Subject: Re: [Cloud] Simplified Cloud Imaging Diagram for a typical MFD

 

Michael and Ira,

 

I offer the following observation, subject of course to expert comment.

The IPP multifunction approach is evolving from IPP where there was just one
type of service and the client dealt just with a Printer Object, that it
accessed via a print service. Any necessary  information about the physical
"output" device came though the Service connection.  I am not sure how IPP
multifunction will evolve, but it could also have the normal user deal with
just the service he is interested in and any necessary  information about
the "endpoint" comes though the Service connection. The IPP "System Control
Service" would then be devoted to monitoring and management of the "Imaging
System" and any physical components that were a part of it.

 

True, the Semantic Model evolved from IPP. But the current version of the
Semantic Model specifically addressed an MFD, considering how to handle
multiple types of imaging services. So the Printer became expanded to an
Imaging System and a System Control Service was  defined to provide access
to System Elements. I have perhaps overstressed the "Imaging System"  and,
as Ira points out, the system may not relate to a device in the case of a
distributed .  Perhaps the basic imaging services user  need never even be
aware that there is a system.

 

So, if I drop my MFD mindset,  a reasonable network model has the Imaging
Services User just accessing the desire imaging service. Access to the
System Control Service is limited to supervisory/management/maintenance
users. As far as the basic User is concerned, there is no Imaging  System
and no *Imaging Device*; there are Services and elements in the Service
provide information on the location of the endpoint, the IPP *physical
device*. 

 

However, for practical purposes, there may still be  justification for the
Proxy to access the Cloud System Control Service (or some other Cloud-based
component) that can provide/accept summary information for/from the Proxy
just as the Proxy can provide summary information for the Local  Services.
The alternative, which would be simpler but involve more traffic, would be
for the Proxy to just communicate with each Cloud Service independently.

 

So, the diagram would show the both Cloud and local Services (including
System Control Service) as being within Imaging Systems and the Proxy  would
interface with each Cloud Service and each local service. 

 Thanks, Bill Wagner

Basic Model 2.jpg

 

From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 9:04 AM
To: William A Wagner
Cc: <cloud@pwg.org>; <ipp@pwg.org>; Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion
list
Subject: Re: [Cloud] Simplified Cloud Imaging Diagram for a typical MFD

 

Bill,

 

On Dec 11, 2013, at 1:24 AM, William A Wagner <wamwagner@comcast.net> wrote:

Michael,

 

Thank you for the diagram. Some observations, rather that objections,
particularly in areas that appear different from the model  and diagram we
had previously agreed to and that seem inconsistent with the Semantic Model.

1.      We had avoided showing the interface between the proxy and  local
services, although the intention in defining the Proxy->Cloud  operations
was that the Proxy could communicate with the local services using the
standard client-imaging service operations.

 

True, but since we had our discussion in Monday's Cloud concall I felt it
might be useful to expose it, at least for a "big picture" diagram.  And
this *does* mirror the IPP model diagrams in RFC 2911 and IPPSIX (figures 1
and 3) where a local print service is connected to the IPP Server or IPP
Proxy.  IPP Server + Print Service == IPP Printer.

 

 

2.      But having shown these connections, I wonder about the dotted line
from the proxy to the Local System Control Service. I would expect that the
Proxy acts as a proxy for the Local System Control Service to the same
extent that it acts for the imaging services.

 

I made the line dotted mainly because we hadn't defined a concrete
relationship - the proxy might get a list of services to register from the
local system control service *or* it might get it from another source (web
interface, etc.), which gets it from the local system control service.
Architecturally we may not care beyond the fact that the Semantic Model
defines the local system control service in the model for an imaging
device/system - that is something we should probably decide on and document
in the Cloud model.

 

3.      According to the Semantic Model, there is an extensive client
interface to the System Control Service that provides access to both System
Control Service elements and System Object elements (SystemConfiguration,
SystemDescription, and SystemStatus). However, the diagram shows no System
Object either at the Cloud Level or the Local level ("Imaging System" in the
lower right  hand corner not withstanding.) The sort of information that a
User might want to know about the physical location of the "device" (however
one may wish to define it) is in the System Description. The UUID for the
imaging device is the System UUID. I suggest that, as in the previous
diagram,  there is both a Cloud Imaging System and, if we are showing things
beyond the Proxy, a Local Imaging System.

 

Adding the system object to the diagram would probably be useful.  I'm not
sure how we would show connections *to* this object, or whether we should
(for purposes of simplifying the diagram) just update the system control
service boxes to be "system control service and system object"?

 

4.      The diagram does not clear up the difference between a IPP Physical
Device and a Semantic  Model Device.  By the  SM definition  definition,
the Imaging Services  are physically embodied within one  or more physical
devices. In most cases ( and certainly for a basic MFD), the Imaging  System
represents the elements of the Device and the System Control Service
provides access to the values of these elements. Therefore, in an SM based
model, I suggest that there are no lines from Imaging Services to the
Device. Indeed, after the last Cloud call, I am eliminating all reference to
"Device"  as an actor in the cloud specification, in favor of System. 

 

Ira made some good comments, but I'll add one: you'll notice that the proxy
is only connected to services.  Only the local services are connected to the
physical device.  I believe that both mirrors our discussions and matches
the Semantic Model and IPP notions of separation.

 

5.      You presented a good argument for making IPP Identify Printer a
service operation, primarily by stating that a normal user would be using a
connection to a Imaging service not the System Control Service.  I am unsure
of the intent or limitations of the Client to Cloud System Control Service
path shown in the diagram (is ListAllServices the only operation allowed?)
However, although discovery is nominally of Imaging Services, it seems that
the in the Semantic Model physical elements of interest in discovery should
be accessed via the System Control Service, suggesting that a normal client
should have at least read access to the System Control Service.  It would
seem reasonable that it could also trigger an Identify via this path.

 

I should probably remove all of the operation names from the diagram and add
letter/number identifiers (as Smith has suggested).  I shows
"ListAllServices" as the most likely operation a client would use in order
to discover which imaging services are available, in preparation for
creating a job, etc. on a specific service. Clearly the client would be able
to perform any supported operation of the system control service, and I
agree IdentifyDevice is one of the expected operations.

 

So, the diagram appears to reflect a IPP model using IPP terminology and
does not reflect the Semantic Model of a System containing Services with
system specific elements accessed via a System Control Service. Am I missing
something?

 

Actually, I believe the bottom half of the diagram looks a lot like Figure 6
of MFD Common Model (PWG 5108.1), just turned on its side and combining the
marker and scanner subunits as the "physical device" (also a SM term that is
shared with IPP - perhaps you would prefer "Multifunction Device" or
"Multifunction Device/Subunits" here?)

 

...

 

Please remember: Semantic Model came from IPP. While some of the terminology
was changed in the move to support multifunction services, and some of the
responsibilities are moved around (i.e. system control service), the overall
model remains the same.  The IPP Printer is an IPP Server talking to an
Imaging Service, just as a web service binding using the Semantic Model
schema and WSDL files is an XML-RPC server talking to an Imaging Service.
In both cases the imaging services are talking to the hardware subunits (as
needed) with implementation-defined coordination with the System Control
Service.

 

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair

 


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e.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0p=
t;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Overall I think your approach is sound and=
 that it addresses the challenges of implementing the PWG Semantic Model wi=
thin a Cloud environment quite well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";colo=
r:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'=
font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In terms=
 of the issues you raise in point #4 below, do you believe we could resolve=
 them by creating a notification service to handle the communication about =
the status of jobs and services?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1=
F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font=
-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","s=
ans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMso=
Normal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";c=
olor:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>/Pau=
l<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>--</span><span style=
=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Paul T=
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odi Consulting Services LLC <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>=
immediately by replying to this message and destroying all copies of this m=
essage <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:=
8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>and any attachments. =
Thank you</span><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans=
-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><sp=
an style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F49=
7D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:s=
olid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span=
 style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ipp-=
bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>William A =
Wagner<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 02, 2014 2:21 PM<br><b>To:</b> clo=
ud@pwg.org<br><b>Cc:</b> ipp@pwg.org; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discuss=
ion list'<br><b>Subject:</b> [IPP] Cloud Concall Jan 6 at 3PM EST<o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-se=
rif";color:#1F497D'>Happy New Year!&nbsp; We have a Cloud WG conference cal=
l scheduled for Monday 6 January at 3 PM ET.&nbsp; There was some interesti=
ng traffic on the mail list last month, but unfortunately no resolution to =
the impasse that we seem to have arrived at. We cannot seem to get past the=
 description of operations and I have concluded that this is a problem with=
 the model itself in that it is not consistent with the structure that the =
&nbsp;IPP WG has in mind. Since, so far as I understand, IPP has not really=
 addressed the concept of an Imaging System and perhaps thinks it unnecessa=
ry even for entities performing multifunction services. The model I propose=
d (and which appeared to be accepted) is &nbsp;system oriented in that info=
rmation common to multiple services was provided through the system but inf=
ormation specific to a service (such as job specific information) was provi=
ded by the corresponding service.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#=
1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I have no w=
ish to impose a particular model upon the group, but I cannot continue with=
 the specification without a model approach that the working group and &nbs=
p;I understand. I proposed an approach last month (below), to which I have =
received no response. This would &nbsp;eliminate all System communication (=
and mention) with respect to using Imaging Services via the Cloud (I have u=
pdated the diagram). Since this would be a major rewrite of the specificati=
on ( and all of the sequence diagrams). &nbsp;I would not proceed with his =
approach without active working group consensus.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans=
-serif";color:#1F497D'>I suggest that establishing a model approach, either=
 based on what I propose or some other ideas, be the subject of Monday&#821=
7;s conference call. Based on consensus&nbsp; (or lack of same, or lack of =
comment), we can decide whether continue this project is warranted.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans=
-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F4=
97D'>Bill Wagner<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;fon=
t-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=
<div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt=
 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> William A Wagner [<a href=3D"mailto:=
wamwagner@comcast.net">mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> T=
hursday, December 12, 2013 2:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Michael Sweet'<br><b>Cc:<=
/b> 'cloud@pwg.org'; 'ipp@pwg.org'; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussio=
n list'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Cloud] Simplified Cloud Imaging Diagram for=
 a typical MFD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-fa=
mily:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-=
serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>My intention is to determine how (and whether) to proceed with the Cloud=
 Model specification. It is apparent that there was some basic difference i=
n my approach and IPP SIX, and in attempting to address specific comments (=
such as the name and content of what is now GetSystemNotification), I was j=
ust hiding the inconsistency.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><sp=
an style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F49=
7D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-si=
ze:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I propose a few=
 points to revise the Cloud Specification in way that it will not raise IPP=
 objections. If these can be resolved, I will proceed with the Cloud docume=
nt.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-=
.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-siz=
e:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style=3D'm=
so-list:Ignore'>1.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font=
-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The model de=
als with use of the Imaging Services, not with administration/management/ma=
intenance. Or, if communication for administration/management/maintenance m=
ust be addressed, it be in a separate section.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p clas=
s=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><=
![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","=
sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style=3D=
'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>=
</span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibr=
i","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Eliminate all reference to &nbsp;Device (wha=
tever its meaning). All specified communication is to Services from Proxies=
 or Clients. Necessary information&nbsp; relating to physical entities is o=
btained via Services. I would like to retain System as an element that cont=
ains &nbsp;Services that are somehow related in that the SystemControlServi=
ce is aware of them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph style=
=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Rom=
an"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F4=
97D'>Although we should understand how communication from Proxy to the Loca=
l Services could be conducted using the standard network interface identifi=
ed in the Semantic Model, &nbsp;defining that communication&nbsp; is not a =
part of the Cloud Imaging Model and is not in the specification. It might p=
rovide the basis for &nbsp;a useful white paper.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p cl=
ass=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'=
><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri"=
,"sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style=
=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </sp=
an></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In an attempt to define a more efficient =
Proxy-Cloud communication, the current Cloud Imaging specification provides=
 for registering and maintaining &nbsp;communication on&nbsp; System basis =
(via the Proxy and the &nbsp;CloudSystemControl Service) as well as on an I=
maging Service basis. The idea was to communicate information common to mul=
tiple Services just once rather than for each Service. &nbsp;I proposed thi=
s expecting some objection. But the comments just acted to overload this co=
mmunication with information that a SystemControlService would not normally=
 have. That is, the Proxy has the ability to aggregate and communicate info=
rmation from all local Services; it is perhaps unreasonable to add this req=
uirement to the CloudSystemControlService to the extent that it knows, for =
example, &nbsp;what Jobs are canceled, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:=
l1 level2 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-f=
amily:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'=
>a.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The model can be simplified=
 to just deal with imaging services. The Proxy does not register the Local =
System with the CloudSystemControlService nor does it communicate with the =
CloudSystemControlService. Information for each Local Service is communicat=
ed to the corresponding Cloud Service &nbsp;independently via the Proxy. Th=
e Proxy must periodically query each Cloud Service with a GetFetchableJobs,=
 and probably with a channel check and a check for canceled jobs. GetSystem=
Notifications goes away, at least for non-management functions.<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-inden=
t:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-=
size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style=
=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>b.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-=
size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Alternatively=
, we posit some other service&nbsp; associated with the Cloud Imaging Syste=
m that has detailed access to all associated Cloud Services.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DM=
soNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"=
;color:#1F497D'>Thanks for your consideration and comments.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bill Wagner<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-se=
rif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:soli=
d #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span st=
yle=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b>=
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href=
=3D"mailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org">cloud-bounces@pwg.org</a> [<a href=3D"mai=
lto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org">mailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org</a>] <b>On Behalf O=
f </b>William A Wagner<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 11, 2013 11:58 A=
M<br><b>To:</b> 'Michael Sweet'<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:cloud@pwg.o=
rg">cloud@pwg.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a>; 'Sem=
antic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cloud] S=
implified Cloud Imaging Diagram for a typical MFD<o:p></o:p></span></p></di=
v></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Michael and Ira,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p=
>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0p=
t;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I offer the following o=
bservation, subject of course to expert comment.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans=
-serif";color:#1F497D'>The IPP multifunction approach is evolving from IPP =
where there was just one type of service and the client dealt just with a P=
rinter Object, that it accessed via a print service. Any necessary &nbsp;in=
formation about the physical &#8220;output&#8221; device came though the Se=
rvice connection.&nbsp; I am not sure how IPP multifunction will evolve, bu=
t it could also have the normal user deal with just the service he is inter=
ested in and any necessary &nbsp;information about the &#8220;endpoint&#822=
1; comes though the Service connection. The IPP &#8220;System Control Servi=
ce&#8221; would then be devoted to monitoring and management of the &#8220;=
Imaging System&#8221; and any physical components that were a part of it.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri"=
,"sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>True, the Semantic Model evolved from IPP. But=
 the current version of the Semantic Model specifically addressed an MFD, c=
onsidering how to handle multiple types of imaging services. So the Printer=
 became expanded to an Imaging System and a System Control Service was &nbs=
p;defined to provide access to System Elements. I have perhaps overstressed=
 the &#8220;Imaging System&#8221;&nbsp; and, as Ira points out, the system =
may not relate to a device in the case of a distributed ..&nbsp; Perhaps th=
e basic imaging services user&nbsp; need never even be aware that there is =
a system.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-siz=
e:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So, if I drop my MFD mindset, &nbsp=
;a reasonable network model has the Imaging Services User just accessing th=
e desire imaging service. Access to the System Control Service is limited t=
o supervisory/management/maintenance users. As far as the basic User is con=
cerned, there is no Imaging &nbsp;System and no *Imaging Device*; there are=
 Services and elements in the Service provide information on the location o=
f the endpoint, the IPP *physical device*. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-se=
rif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
>However, for practical purposes, there may still be&nbsp; justification fo=
r the Proxy to access the Cloud System Control Service (or some other Cloud=
-based component) that can provide/accept summary information for/from the =
Proxy just as the Proxy can provide summary information for the Local &nbsp=
;Services. The alternative, which would be simpler but involve more traffic=
, would be for the Proxy to just communicate with each Cloud Service indepe=
ndently.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size=
:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family=
:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So, the diagram would show the both =
Cloud and local Services (including System Control Service) as being within=
 Imaging Systems and the Proxy &nbsp;would interface with each Cloud Servic=
e and each local service. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
>&nbsp;Thanks, Bill Wagner<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
><img border=3D0 width=3D702 height=3D654 id=3D"Picture_x0020_0" src=3D"cid=
:image001.jpg@01CF07CC.E6C644F0" alt=3D"Basic Model 2.jpg"><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div sty=
le=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahom=
a","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Michael Sweet [<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com=
">mailto:msweet@apple.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 11, 201=
3 9:04 AM<br><b>To:</b> William A Wagner<br><b>Cc:</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:cloud@pwg.org">cloud@pwg.org</a>&gt;; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">=
ipp@pwg.org</a>&gt;; Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list<br><b>Sub=
ject:</b> Re: [Cloud] Simplified Cloud Imaging Diagram for a typical MFD<o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal>Bill,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Dec 11, 2013, at 1:24 AM, Will=
iam A Wagner &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net">wamwagner@comcast=
.net</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0=
pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Michael,</span><o:=
p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-s=
erif"'>Thank you for the diagram. Some observations, rather that objections=
, &nbsp;particularly in areas that appear different from the model &nbsp;an=
d diagram we had previously agreed to and that seem inconsistent with the S=
emantic Model.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'te=
xt-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style=
=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-size:11=
.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>We had avoided showing the interfa=
ce between the proxy and &nbsp;local services, although the intention in de=
fining the Proxy-&gt;Cloud &nbsp;operations was that the Proxy could commun=
icate with the local services using the standard client-imaging service ope=
rations.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>True, but since we had our =
discussion in Monday's Cloud concall I felt it might be useful to expose it=
, at least for a &quot;big picture&quot; diagram. &nbsp;And this *does* mir=
ror the IPP model diagrams in RFC 2911 and IPPSIX (figures 1 and 3) where a=
 local print service is connected to the IPP Server or IPP Proxy. &nbsp;IPP=
 Server + Print Service =3D=3D IPP Printer.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoListParag=
raph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLis=
ts]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><![endif]><span style=
=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>But having shown t=
hese connections, I wonder about the dotted line from the proxy to the Loca=
l System Control Service. I would expect that the Proxy acts as a proxy for=
 the Local System Control Service to the same extent that it acts for the i=
maging services.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I made the line dotted mainly be=
cause we hadn't defined a concrete relationship - the proxy might get a lis=
t of services to register from the local system control service *or* it mig=
ht get it from another source (web interface, etc.), which gets it from the=
 local system control service. &nbsp;Architecturally we may not care beyond=
 the fact that the Semantic Model defines the local system control service =
in the model for an imaging device/system - that is something we should pro=
bably decide on and document in the Cloud model.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><di=
v><p class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style=
=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></s=
pan><![endif]><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-s=
erif"'>According to the Semantic Model, there is an extensive client interf=
ace to the System Control Service that provides access to both System Contr=
ol Service elements and System Object elements (SystemConfiguration, System=
Description, and SystemStatus). However, the diagram shows no System Object=
 either at the Cloud Level or the Local level (&#8220;Imaging System&#8221;=
 in the lower right&nbsp; hand corner not withstanding.) The sort of inform=
ation that a User might want to know about the physical location of the &#8=
220;device&#8221; (however one may wish to define it) is in the System Desc=
ription. The UUID for the imaging device is the System UUID. I suggest that=
, as in the previous diagram, &nbsp;there is both a Cloud Imaging System an=
d, if we are showing things beyond the Proxy, a Local Imaging System.</span=
><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal>Adding the system object to the diagram would probably=
 be useful. &nbsp;I'm not sure how we would show connections *to* this obje=
ct, or whether we should (for purposes of simplifying the diagram) just upd=
ate the system control service boxes to be &quot;system control service and=
 system object&quot;?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-botto=
m:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-l=
ist:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>4.=
<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 </span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calib=
ri","sans-serif"'>The diagram does not clear up the difference between a IP=
P Physical Device and a Semantic &nbsp;Model Device. &nbsp;By the &nbsp;SM =
definition &nbsp;definition, &nbsp;the Imaging Services &nbsp;are physicall=
y embodied within one&nbsp; or more physical devices. In most cases ( and c=
ertainly for a basic MFD), the Imaging &nbsp;System represents the elements=
 of the Device and the System Control Service provides access to the values=
 of these elements. Therefore, in an SM based model, I suggest that there a=
re no lines from Imaging Services to the Device. Indeed, after the last Clo=
ud call, I am eliminating all reference to &#8220;Device&#8221; &nbsp;as an=
 actor in the cloud specification, in favor of System. </span><o:p></o:p></=
p></div></blockquote><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal>Ira made some good comments, but I'll add one: you'll n=
otice that the proxy is only connected to services. &nbsp;Only the local se=
rvices are connected to the physical device. &nbsp;I believe that both mirr=
ors our discussions and matches the Semantic Model and IPP notions of separ=
ation.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom=
:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'tex=
t-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style=
=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-size:11=
.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>You presented a good argument for =
making IPP Identify Printer a service operation, primarily by stating that =
a normal user would be using a connection to a Imaging service not the Syst=
em Control Service. &nbsp;I am unsure&nbsp; of the intent or limitations of=
 the Client to Cloud System Control Service path shown in the diagram (is L=
istAllServices the only operation allowed?) &nbsp;However, although discove=
ry is nominally of Imaging Services, it seems that the in the Semantic Mode=
l physical elements of interest in discovery should be accessed via the Sys=
tem Control Service, suggesting that a normal client should have at least r=
ead access to the System Control Service. &nbsp;It would seem reasonable th=
at it could also trigger an Identify via this path.</span><o:p></o:p></p></=
div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al>I should probably remove all of the operation names from the diagram and=
 add letter/number identifiers (as Smith has suggested). &nbsp;I shows &quo=
t;ListAllServices&quot; as the most likely operation a client would use in =
order to discover which imaging services are available, in preparation for =
creating a job, etc. on a specific service. Clearly the client would be abl=
e to perform any supported operation of the system control service, and I a=
gree IdentifyDevice is one of the expected operations.<o:p></o:p></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p><=
/p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"'>So, the diagram appears to reflect a IPP model using =
IPP terminology and does not reflect the Semantic Model of a System contain=
ing Services with system specific elements accessed via a System Control Se=
rvice. Am I missing something?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DM=
soNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Actually, I =
believe the bottom half of the diagram looks a lot like Figure 6 of MFD Com=
mon Model (PWG 5108.1), just turned on its side and combining the marker an=
d scanner subunits as the &quot;physical device&quot; (also a SM term that =
is shared with IPP - perhaps you would prefer &quot;Multifunction Device&qu=
ot; or &quot;Multifunction Device/Subunits&quot; here?)<o:p></o:p></p></div=
><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal>...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p=
></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Please remember: Semantic Model came from =
IPP. While some of the terminology was changed in the move to support multi=
function services, and some of the responsibilities are moved around (i.e. =
system control service), the overall model remains the same. &nbsp;The IPP =
Printer is an IPP Server talking to an Imaging Service, just as a web servi=
ce binding using the Semantic Model schema and WSDL files is an XML-RPC ser=
ver talking to an Imaging Service. &nbsp;In both cases the imaging services=
 are talking to the hardware subunits (as needed) with implementation-defin=
ed coordination with the System Control Service.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=3DMs=
oNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Andale Mono";color:black'>_____________=
____________________________________________<br>Michael Sweet, Senior Print=
ing System&nbsp;Engineer, PWG Chair<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p cla=
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Hi Paul,

 

I don't know about the name, nor how well it resolves any problems, but I
think there is some justification for what you call a Notification Service.

 

The idea of the model is to define a conceptual interface (that is, the
communication between actor elements).  In network printing, the actor
elements are the traditional Client and Service. IPP went a bit further and
showed the Service as an IPP Printer composed of a IPP Server and an IPP
Print Service (although the defined interface was just to the IPP Service.)
The Semantic Model V2 gets into much more detail in the conceptual
components of a service and further, packages the Services into  a System
(although Peter seems to suggest that the System was just an artifice).  

 

In the Cloud model, it was necessary that the "local" services have an
interface with the Cloud Services. Although we have allowed Services to have
"client" capabilities before (for cascading services), this Local -Cloud
Service  interface was different from the Client Service interface, so we
created a "Proxy"  between a local service  and the Cloud Service.  The
Cloud Services are to accept this new interface with the Local Proxy.
Therefore, although the Cloud Imaging Service supports the same Client
interface as  a Networked Imaging Service, it must also support the Proxy
interface, which requires that the conceptual components of a Cloud Imaging
Service different from and corresponding non-cloud Imaging Service. But I
doubt that either the Cloud WG or the SM WG will do a conceptual breakdown
of a Cloud Imaging Service. So it might be more convenient to keep the Cloud
Imaging Service the same as a Network Imaging Service and have it's "Client"
capabilities interface with a Cloud based Proxy that in turn interfaces with
the Local Proxy.  This Cloud Based proxy would have two "service" interface
sets (and perhaps more, for supporting asynchronous notification) as
distinguished from the Local Proxy that  has two "client" interface sets.
Although, from the model viewpoint, the Cloud Imaging Service to Cloud Proxy
interface is "internal"  and not specified just as the Local Proxy to Local
Imaging Service  interface is "internal" and not specified, it would be a
good exercise to see if both these interfaces could be satisfied by the
already established basic Client-Imaging Service interface set. The Cloud
Based Proxy could also aggregate communications for all the Cloud  Imaging
Services it supports just as the Local Proxy aggregates communications for
all of the Local Imaging Services it supports.  And  asynchronous cloud to
local communication could be between the two proxies.

 

This would be interesting to discuss on Monday.

Thanks,

Bill Wagner

 

From: Paul Tykodi [mailto:ptykodi@tykodi.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 3:11 PM
To: 'William A Wagner'; cloud@pwg.org
Cc: ipp@pwg.org; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list'
Subject: RE: [IPP] Cloud Concall Jan 6 at 3PM EST

 

Hi Bill,

 

Happy New Year to you as well! Thank you for all the effort you have put
into the forthcoming Cloud specification to date.

 

Overall I think your approach is sound and that it addresses the challenges
of implementing the PWG Semantic Model within a Cloud environment quite
well.

 

In terms of the issues you raise in point #4 below, do you believe we could
resolve them by creating a notification service to handle the communication
about the status of jobs and services?

 

Thanks.

 

Best Regards,

 

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From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of William
A Wagner
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 2:21 PM
To: cloud@pwg.org
Cc: ipp@pwg.org; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list'
Subject: [IPP] Cloud Concall Jan 6 at 3PM EST

 

Happy New Year!  We have a Cloud WG conference call scheduled for Monday 6
January at 3 PM ET.  There was some interesting traffic on the mail list
last month, but unfortunately no resolution to the impasse that we seem to
have arrived at. We cannot seem to get past the description of operations
and I have concluded that this is a problem with the model itself in that it
is not consistent with the structure that the  IPP WG has in mind. Since, so
far as I understand, IPP has not really addressed the concept of an Imaging
System and perhaps thinks it unnecessary even for entities performing
multifunction services. The model I proposed (and which appeared to be
accepted) is  system oriented in that information common to multiple
services was provided through the system but information specific to a
service (such as job specific information) was provided by the corresponding
service.

 

I have no wish to impose a particular model upon the group, but I cannot
continue with the specification without a model approach that the working
group and  I understand. I proposed an approach last month (below), to which
I have received no response. This would  eliminate all System communication
(and mention) with respect to using Imaging Services via the Cloud (I have
updated the diagram). Since this would be a major rewrite of the
specification ( and all of the sequence diagrams).  I would not proceed with
his approach without active working group consensus.

I suggest that establishing a model approach, either based on what I propose
or some other ideas, be the subject of Monday's conference call. Based on
consensus  (or lack of same, or lack of comment), we can decide whether
continue this project is warranted.

 

Thanks,

Bill Wagner

 

 

From: William A Wagner [mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 2:22 PM
To: 'Michael Sweet'
Cc: 'cloud@pwg.org'; 'ipp@pwg.org'; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion
list'
Subject: RE: [Cloud] Simplified Cloud Imaging Diagram for a typical MFD

 

All,

 

My intention is to determine how (and whether) to proceed with the Cloud
Model specification. It is apparent that there was some basic difference in
my approach and IPP SIX, and in attempting to address specific comments
(such as the name and content of what is now GetSystemNotification), I was
just hiding the inconsistency.

 

I propose a few points to revise the Cloud Specification in way that it will
not raise IPP objections. If these can be resolved, I will proceed with the
Cloud document.

1.       The model deals with use of the Imaging Services, not with
administration/management/maintenance. Or, if communication for
administration/management/maintenance must be addressed, it be in a separate
section.

2.       Eliminate all reference to  Device (whatever its meaning). All
specified communication is to Services from Proxies or Clients. Necessary
information  relating to physical entities is obtained via Services. I would
like to retain System as an element that contains  Services that are somehow
related in that the SystemControlService is aware of them.

3.       Although we should understand how communication from Proxy to the
Local Services could be conducted using the standard network interface
identified in the Semantic Model,  defining that communication  is not a
part of the Cloud Imaging Model and is not in the specification. It might
provide the basis for  a useful white paper.

4.       In an attempt to define a more efficient Proxy-Cloud communication,
the current Cloud Imaging specification provides for registering and
maintaining  communication on  System basis (via the Proxy and the
CloudSystemControl Service) as well as on an Imaging Service basis. The idea
was to communicate information common to multiple Services just once rather
than for each Service.  I proposed this expecting some objection. But the
comments just acted to overload this communication with information that a
SystemControlService would not normally have. That is, the Proxy has the
ability to aggregate and communicate information from all local Services; it
is perhaps unreasonable to add this requirement to the
CloudSystemControlService to the extent that it knows, for example,  what
Jobs are canceled, etc.

a.       The model can be simplified to just deal with imaging services. The
Proxy does not register the Local System with the CloudSystemControlService
nor does it communicate with the CloudSystemControlService. Information for
each Local Service is communicated to the corresponding Cloud Service
independently via the Proxy. The Proxy must periodically query each Cloud
Service with a GetFetchableJobs, and probably with a channel check and a
check for canceled jobs. GetSystemNotifications goes away, at least for
non-management functions.

b.      Alternatively, we posit some other service  associated with the
Cloud Imaging System that has detailed access to all associated Cloud
Services.

 

Thanks for your consideration and comments.

Bill Wagner

 

 

From: cloud-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of
William A Wagner
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 11:58 AM
To: 'Michael Sweet'
Cc: cloud@pwg.org; ipp@pwg.org; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion
list'
Subject: Re: [Cloud] Simplified Cloud Imaging Diagram for a typical MFD

 

Michael and Ira,

 

I offer the following observation, subject of course to expert comment.

The IPP multifunction approach is evolving from IPP where there was just one
type of service and the client dealt just with a Printer Object, that it
accessed via a print service. Any necessary  information about the physical
"output" device came though the Service connection.  I am not sure how IPP
multifunction will evolve, but it could also have the normal user deal with
just the service he is interested in and any necessary  information about
the "endpoint" comes though the Service connection. The IPP "System Control
Service" would then be devoted to monitoring and management of the "Imaging
System" and any physical components that were a part of it.

 

True, the Semantic Model evolved from IPP. But the current version of the
Semantic Model specifically addressed an MFD, considering how to handle
multiple types of imaging services. So the Printer became expanded to an
Imaging System and a System Control Service was  defined to provide access
to System Elements. I have perhaps overstressed the "Imaging System"  and,
as Ira points out, the system may not relate to a device in the case of a
distributed ..  Perhaps the basic imaging services user  need never even be
aware that there is a system.

 

So, if I drop my MFD mindset,  a reasonable network model has the Imaging
Services User just accessing the desire imaging service. Access to the
System Control Service is limited to supervisory/management/maintenance
users. As far as the basic User is concerned, there is no Imaging  System
and no *Imaging Device*; there are Services and elements in the Service
provide information on the location of the endpoint, the IPP *physical
device*. 

 

However, for practical purposes, there may still be  justification for the
Proxy to access the Cloud System Control Service (or some other Cloud-based
component) that can provide/accept summary information for/from the Proxy
just as the Proxy can provide summary information for the Local  Services.
The alternative, which would be simpler but involve more traffic, would be
for the Proxy to just communicate with each Cloud Service independently.

 

So, the diagram would show the both Cloud and local Services (including
System Control Service) as being within Imaging Systems and the Proxy  would
interface with each Cloud Service and each local service. 

 Thanks, Bill Wagner

Basic Model 2.jpg

 

From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 9:04 AM
To: William A Wagner
Cc: <cloud@pwg.org>; <ipp@pwg.org>; Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion
list
Subject: Re: [Cloud] Simplified Cloud Imaging Diagram for a typical MFD

 

Bill,

 

On Dec 11, 2013, at 1:24 AM, William A Wagner <wamwagner@comcast.net> wrote:

Michael,

 

Thank you for the diagram. Some observations, rather that objections,
particularly in areas that appear different from the model  and diagram we
had previously agreed to and that seem inconsistent with the Semantic Model.

1.      We had avoided showing the interface between the proxy and  local
services, although the intention in defining the Proxy->Cloud  operations
was that the Proxy could communicate with the local services using the
standard client-imaging service operations.

 

True, but since we had our discussion in Monday's Cloud concall I felt it
might be useful to expose it, at least for a "big picture" diagram.  And
this *does* mirror the IPP model diagrams in RFC 2911 and IPPSIX (figures 1
and 3) where a local print service is connected to the IPP Server or IPP
Proxy.  IPP Server + Print Service == IPP Printer.

 

 

2.      But having shown these connections, I wonder about the dotted line
from the proxy to the Local System Control Service. I would expect that the
Proxy acts as a proxy for the Local System Control Service to the same
extent that it acts for the imaging services.

 

I made the line dotted mainly because we hadn't defined a concrete
relationship - the proxy might get a list of services to register from the
local system control service *or* it might get it from another source (web
interface, etc.), which gets it from the local system control service.
Architecturally we may not care beyond the fact that the Semantic Model
defines the local system control service in the model for an imaging
device/system - that is something we should probably decide on and document
in the Cloud model.

 

3.      According to the Semantic Model, there is an extensive client
interface to the System Control Service that provides access to both System
Control Service elements and System Object elements (SystemConfiguration,
SystemDescription, and SystemStatus). However, the diagram shows no System
Object either at the Cloud Level or the Local level ("Imaging System" in the
lower right  hand corner not withstanding.) The sort of information that a
User might want to know about the physical location of the "device" (however
one may wish to define it) is in the System Description. The UUID for the
imaging device is the System UUID. I suggest that, as in the previous
diagram,  there is both a Cloud Imaging System and, if we are showing things
beyond the Proxy, a Local Imaging System.

 

Adding the system object to the diagram would probably be useful.  I'm not
sure how we would show connections *to* this object, or whether we should
(for purposes of simplifying the diagram) just update the system control
service boxes to be "system control service and system object"?

 

4.      The diagram does not clear up the difference between a IPP Physical
Device and a Semantic  Model Device.  By the  SM definition  definition,
the Imaging Services  are physically embodied within one  or more physical
devices. In most cases ( and certainly for a basic MFD), the Imaging  System
represents the elements of the Device and the System Control Service
provides access to the values of these elements. Therefore, in an SM based
model, I suggest that there are no lines from Imaging Services to the
Device. Indeed, after the last Cloud call, I am eliminating all reference to
"Device"  as an actor in the cloud specification, in favor of System. 

 

Ira made some good comments, but I'll add one: you'll notice that the proxy
is only connected to services.  Only the local services are connected to the
physical device.  I believe that both mirrors our discussions and matches
the Semantic Model and IPP notions of separation.

 

5.      You presented a good argument for making IPP Identify Printer a
service operation, primarily by stating that a normal user would be using a
connection to a Imaging service not the System Control Service.  I am unsure
of the intent or limitations of the Client to Cloud System Control Service
path shown in the diagram (is ListAllServices the only operation allowed?)
However, although discovery is nominally of Imaging Services, it seems that
the in the Semantic Model physical elements of interest in discovery should
be accessed via the System Control Service, suggesting that a normal client
should have at least read access to the System Control Service.  It would
seem reasonable that it could also trigger an Identify via this path.

 

I should probably remove all of the operation names from the diagram and add
letter/number identifiers (as Smith has suggested).  I shows
"ListAllServices" as the most likely operation a client would use in order
to discover which imaging services are available, in preparation for
creating a job, etc. on a specific service. Clearly the client would be able
to perform any supported operation of the system control service, and I
agree IdentifyDevice is one of the expected operations.

 

So, the diagram appears to reflect a IPP model using IPP terminology and
does not reflect the Semantic Model of a System containing Services with
system specific elements accessed via a System Control Service. Am I missing
something?

 

Actually, I believe the bottom half of the diagram looks a lot like Figure 6
of MFD Common Model (PWG 5108.1), just turned on its side and combining the
marker and scanner subunits as the "physical device" (also a SM term that is
shared with IPP - perhaps you would prefer "Multifunction Device" or
"Multifunction Device/Subunits" here?)

 

...

 

Please remember: Semantic Model came from IPP. While some of the terminology
was changed in the move to support multifunction services, and some of the
responsibilities are moved around (i.e. system control service), the overall
model remains the same.  The IPP Printer is an IPP Server talking to an
Imaging Service, just as a web service binding using the Semantic Model
schema and WSDL files is an XML-RPC server talking to an Imaging Service.
In both cases the imaging services are talking to the hardware subunits (as
needed) with implementation-defined coordination with the System Control
Service.

 

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair

 


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the actor elements are the traditional Client and Service. IPP went a =
bit further and showed the Service as an IPP Printer composed of a IPP =
Server and an IPP Print Service (although the defined interface was just =
to the IPP Service.) The Semantic Model V2 gets into much more detail in =
the conceptual components of a service and further, packages the =
Services into&nbsp; a System (although Peter seems to suggest that the =
System was just an artifice). &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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services have an interface with the Cloud Services. Although we have =
allowed Services to have &#8220;client&#8221; capabilities before (for =
cascading services), this Local &#8211;Cloud Service &nbsp;interface was =
different from the Client Service interface, so we created a =
&#8220;Proxy&#8221; &nbsp;between a local service &nbsp;and the Cloud =
Service. &nbsp;The Cloud Services are to accept this new interface with =
the Local Proxy. Therefore, although the Cloud Imaging Service supports =
the same Client interface as&nbsp; a Networked Imaging Service, it must =
also support the Proxy interface, which requires that the conceptual =
components of a Cloud Imaging Service different from and corresponding =
non-cloud Imaging Service. But I doubt that either the Cloud WG or the =
SM WG will do a conceptual breakdown of a Cloud Imaging Service. So it =
might be more convenient to keep the Cloud Imaging Service the same as a =
Network Imaging Service and have it&#8217;s &#8220;Client&#8221;&nbsp; =
capabilities interface with a Cloud based Proxy that in turn interfaces =
with the Local Proxy.&nbsp; This Cloud Based proxy would have two =
&#8220;service&#8221; interface sets (and perhaps more, for supporting =
asynchronous notification) as distinguished from the Local Proxy =
that&nbsp; has two &#8220;client&#8221; interface sets. Although, from =
the model viewpoint, the Cloud Imaging Service to Cloud Proxy interface =
is &#8220;internal&#8221; &nbsp;and not specified just as the Local =
Proxy to Local Imaging Service&nbsp; interface is &#8220;internal&#8221; =
and not specified, it would be a good exercise to see if both these =
interfaces could be satisfied by the already established basic =
Client-Imaging Service interface set. The Cloud Based Proxy could also =
aggregate communications for all the Cloud &nbsp;Imaging Services it =
supports just as the Local Proxy aggregates communications for all of =
the Local Imaging Services it supports. &nbsp;And&nbsp; asynchronous =
cloud to local communication could be between the two =
proxies.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>This would be interesting to discuss on =
Monday.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Bill Wagner<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Paul Tykodi [mailto:ptykodi@tykodi.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, =
January 02, 2014 3:11 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'William A Wagner'; =
cloud@pwg.org<br><b>Cc:</b> ipp@pwg.org; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup =
discussion list'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [IPP] Cloud Concall Jan 6 at 3PM =
EST<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Hi Bill,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Happy New Year to you as well! Thank you for all the effort you have =
put into the forthcoming Cloud specification to =
date.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Overall I think your approach is sound and that it addresses the =
challenges of implementing the PWG Semantic Model within a Cloud =
environment quite well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>In terms of the issues you raise in point #4 below, do you believe we =
could resolve them by creating a notification service to handle the =
communication about the status of jobs and =
services?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>/Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
>--</span><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
<a href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a> [<a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a>] =
<b>On Behalf Of </b>William A Wagner<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January =
02, 2014 2:21 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:cloud@pwg.org">cloud@pwg.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a>; 'Semantic Model 3.0 =
Workgroup discussion list'<br><b>Subject:</b> [IPP] Cloud Concall Jan 6 =
at 3PM EST<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Happy New Year!&nbsp; We have a Cloud WG conference call scheduled =
for Monday 6 January at 3 PM ET.&nbsp; There was some interesting =
traffic on the mail list last month, but unfortunately no resolution to =
the impasse that we seem to have arrived at. We cannot seem to get past =
the description of operations and I have concluded that this is a =
problem with the model itself in that it is not consistent with the =
structure that the &nbsp;IPP WG has in mind. Since, so far as I =
understand, IPP has not really addressed the concept of an Imaging =
System and perhaps thinks it unnecessary even for entities performing =
multifunction services. The model I proposed (and which appeared to be =
accepted) is &nbsp;system oriented in that information common to =
multiple services was provided through the system but information =
specific to a service (such as job specific information) was provided by =
the corresponding service.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I have no wish to impose a particular model upon the group, but I =
cannot continue with the specification without a model approach that the =
working group and &nbsp;I understand. I proposed an approach last month =
(below), to which I have received no response. This would =
&nbsp;eliminate all System communication (and mention) with respect to =
using Imaging Services via the Cloud (I have updated the diagram). Since =
this would be a major rewrite of the specification ( and all of the =
sequence diagrams). &nbsp;I would not proceed with his approach without =
active working group consensus.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I suggest that establishing a model approach, either based on what I =
propose or some other ideas, be the subject of Monday&#8217;s conference =
call. Based on consensus&nbsp; (or lack of same, or lack of comment), we =
can decide whether continue this project is =
warranted.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Bill Wagner<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
William A Wagner [<a =
href=3D"mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net">mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net</a>] =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 12, 2013 2:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
'Michael Sweet'<br><b>Cc:</b> 'cloud@pwg.org'; 'ipp@pwg.org'; 'Semantic =
Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Cloud] =
Simplified Cloud Imaging Diagram for a typical =
MFD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>My intention is to determine how (and whether) to proceed with the =
Cloud Model specification. It is apparent that there was some basic =
difference in my approach and IPP SIX, and in attempting to address =
specific comments (such as the name and content of what is now =
GetSystemNotification), I was just hiding the =
inconsistency.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I propose a few points to revise the Cloud Specification in way that =
it will not raise IPP objections. If these can be resolved, I will =
proceed with the Cloud document.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times =
New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The model deals with use of the Imaging Services, not with =
administration/management/maintenance. Or, if communication for =
administration/management/maintenance must be addressed, it be in a =
separate section.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if =
!supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times =
New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Eliminate all reference to &nbsp;Device (whatever its meaning). All =
specified communication is to Services from Proxies or Clients. =
Necessary information&nbsp; relating to physical entities is obtained =
via Services. I would like to retain System as an element that contains =
&nbsp;Services that are somehow related in that the SystemControlService =
is aware of them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if =
!supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times =
New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Although we should understand how communication from Proxy to the =
Local Services could be conducted using the standard network interface =
identified in the Semantic Model, &nbsp;defining that =
communication&nbsp; is not a part of the Cloud Imaging Model and is not =
in the specification. It might provide the basis for &nbsp;a useful =
white paper.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if =
!supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times =
New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>In an attempt to define a more efficient Proxy-Cloud communication, =
the current Cloud Imaging specification provides for registering and =
maintaining &nbsp;communication on&nbsp; System basis (via the Proxy and =
the &nbsp;CloudSystemControl Service) as well as on an Imaging Service =
basis. The idea was to communicate information common to multiple =
Services just once rather than for each Service. &nbsp;I proposed this =
expecting some objection. But the comments just acted to overload this =
communication with information that a SystemControlService would not =
normally have. That is, the Proxy has the ability to aggregate and =
communicate information from all local Services; it is perhaps =
unreasonable to add this requirement to the CloudSystemControlService to =
the extent that it knows, for example, &nbsp;what Jobs are canceled, =
etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level2 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>a.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times =
New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The model can be simplified to just deal with imaging services. The =
Proxy does not register the Local System with the =
CloudSystemControlService nor does it communicate with the =
CloudSystemControlService. Information for each Local Service is =
communicated to the corresponding Cloud Service &nbsp;independently via =
the Proxy. The Proxy must periodically query each Cloud Service with a =
GetFetchableJobs, and probably with a channel check and a check for =
canceled jobs. GetSystemNotifications goes away, at least for =
non-management functions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level2 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>b.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times =
New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Alternatively, we posit some other service&nbsp; associated with the =
Cloud Imaging System that has detailed access to all associated Cloud =
Services.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thanks for your consideration and comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Bill Wagner<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
<a href=3D"mailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org">cloud-bounces@pwg.org</a> [<a =
href=3D"mailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org">mailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org</a>] =
<b>On Behalf Of </b>William A Wagner<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December =
11, 2013 11:58 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Michael Sweet'<br><b>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:cloud@pwg.org">cloud@pwg.org</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a>; 'Semantic Model 3.0 =
Workgroup discussion list'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cloud] Simplified =
Cloud Imaging Diagram for a typical =
MFD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Michael and Ira,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I offer the following observation, subject of course to expert =
comment.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The IPP multifunction approach is evolving from IPP where there was =
just one type of service and the client dealt just with a Printer =
Object, that it accessed via a print service. Any necessary =
&nbsp;information about the physical &#8220;output&#8221; device came =
though the Service connection.&nbsp; I am not sure how IPP multifunction =
will evolve, but it could also have the normal user deal with just the =
service he is interested in and any necessary &nbsp;information about =
the &#8220;endpoint&#8221; comes though the Service connection. The IPP =
&#8220;System Control Service&#8221; would then be devoted to monitoring =
and management of the &#8220;Imaging System&#8221; and any physical =
components that were a part of it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>True, the Semantic Model evolved from IPP. But the current version of =
the Semantic Model specifically addressed an MFD, considering how to =
handle multiple types of imaging services. So the Printer became =
expanded to an Imaging System and a System Control Service was =
&nbsp;defined to provide access to System Elements. I have perhaps =
overstressed the &#8220;Imaging System&#8221;&nbsp; and, as Ira points =
out, the system may not relate to a device in the case of a distributed =
..&nbsp; Perhaps the basic imaging services user&nbsp; need never even =
be aware that there is a system.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>So, if I drop my MFD mindset, &nbsp;a reasonable network model has =
the Imaging Services User just accessing the desire imaging service. =
Access to the System Control Service is limited to =
supervisory/management/maintenance users. As far as the basic User is =
concerned, there is no Imaging &nbsp;System and no *Imaging Device*; =
there are Services and elements in the Service provide information on =
the location of the endpoint, the IPP *physical device*. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>However, for practical purposes, there may still be&nbsp; =
justification for the Proxy to access the Cloud System Control Service =
(or some other Cloud-based component) that can provide/accept summary =
information for/from the Proxy just as the Proxy can provide summary =
information for the Local &nbsp;Services. The alternative, which would =
be simpler but involve more traffic, would be for the Proxy to just =
communicate with each Cloud Service =
independently.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>So, the diagram would show the both Cloud and local Services =
(including System Control Service) as being within Imaging Systems and =
the Proxy &nbsp;would interface with each Cloud Service and each local =
service. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;Thanks, Bill Wagner<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><img border=3D0 width=3D702 height=3D654 id=3D"Picture_x0020_0" =
src=3D"cid:image001.jpg@01CF07DB.CB2D4E50" alt=3D"Basic Model =
2.jpg"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Michael Sweet [<a =
href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com">mailto:msweet@apple.com</a>] =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 11, 2013 9:04 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
William A Wagner<br><b>Cc:</b> &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:cloud@pwg.org">cloud@pwg.org</a>&gt;; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a>&gt;; Semantic Model 3.0 =
Workgroup discussion list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cloud] Simplified =
Cloud Imaging Diagram for a typical =
MFD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Bill,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Dec 11, 2013, at 1:24 AM, William A Wagner &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net">wamwagner@comcast.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Michael,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Thank you =
for the diagram. Some observations, rather that objections, =
&nbsp;particularly in areas that appear different from the model =
&nbsp;and diagram we had previously agreed to and that seem inconsistent =
with the Semantic Model.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>We had =
avoided showing the interface between the proxy and &nbsp;local =
services, although the intention in defining the Proxy-&gt;Cloud =
&nbsp;operations was that the Proxy could communicate with the local =
services using the standard client-imaging service =
operations.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>True, =
but since we had our discussion in Monday's Cloud concall I felt it =
might be useful to expose it, at least for a &quot;big picture&quot; =
diagram. &nbsp;And this *does* mirror the IPP model diagrams in RFC 2911 =
and IPPSIX (figures 1 and 3) where a local print service is connected to =
the IPP Server or IPP Proxy. &nbsp;IPP Server + Print Service =3D=3D IPP =
Printer.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>But having =
shown these connections, I wonder about the dotted line from the proxy =
to the Local System Control Service. I would expect that the Proxy acts =
as a proxy for the Local System Control Service to the same extent that =
it acts for the imaging services.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I made =
the line dotted mainly because we hadn't defined a concrete relationship =
- the proxy might get a list of services to register from the local =
system control service *or* it might get it from another source (web =
interface, etc.), which gets it from the local system control service. =
&nbsp;Architecturally we may not care beyond the fact that the Semantic =
Model defines the local system control service in the model for an =
imaging device/system - that is something we should probably decide on =
and document in the Cloud model.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>According =
to the Semantic Model, there is an extensive client interface to the =
System Control Service that provides access to both System Control =
Service elements and System Object elements (SystemConfiguration, =
SystemDescription, and SystemStatus). However, the diagram shows no =
System Object either at the Cloud Level or the Local level =
(&#8220;Imaging System&#8221; in the lower right&nbsp; hand corner not =
withstanding.) The sort of information that a User might want to know =
about the physical location of the &#8220;device&#8221; (however one may =
wish to define it) is in the System Description. The UUID for the =
imaging device is the System UUID. I suggest that, as in the previous =
diagram, &nbsp;there is both a Cloud Imaging System and, if we are =
showing things beyond the Proxy, a Local Imaging =
System.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Adding =
the system object to the diagram would probably be useful. &nbsp;I'm not =
sure how we would show connections *to* this object, or whether we =
should (for purposes of simplifying the diagram) just update the system =
control service boxes to be &quot;system control service and system =
object&quot;?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The =
diagram does not clear up the difference between a IPP Physical Device =
and a Semantic &nbsp;Model Device. &nbsp;By the &nbsp;SM definition =
&nbsp;definition, &nbsp;the Imaging Services &nbsp;are physically =
embodied within one&nbsp; or more physical devices. In most cases ( and =
certainly for a basic MFD), the Imaging &nbsp;System represents the =
elements of the Device and the System Control Service provides access to =
the values of these elements. Therefore, in an SM based model, I suggest =
that there are no lines from Imaging Services to the Device. Indeed, =
after the last Cloud call, I am eliminating all reference to =
&#8220;Device&#8221; &nbsp;as an actor in the cloud specification, in =
favor of System. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ira =
made some good comments, but I'll add one: you'll notice that the proxy =
is only connected to services. &nbsp;Only the local services are =
connected to the physical device. &nbsp;I believe that both mirrors our =
discussions and matches the Semantic Model and IPP notions of =
separation.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>You =
presented a good argument for making IPP Identify Printer a service =
operation, primarily by stating that a normal user would be using a =
connection to a Imaging service not the System Control Service. &nbsp;I =
am unsure&nbsp; of the intent or limitations of the Client to Cloud =
System Control Service path shown in the diagram (is ListAllServices the =
only operation allowed?) &nbsp;However, although discovery is nominally =
of Imaging Services, it seems that the in the Semantic Model physical =
elements of interest in discovery should be accessed via the System =
Control Service, suggesting that a normal client should have at least =
read access to the System Control Service. &nbsp;It would seem =
reasonable that it could also trigger an Identify via this =
path.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
should probably remove all of the operation names from the diagram and =
add letter/number identifiers (as Smith has suggested). &nbsp;I shows =
&quot;ListAllServices&quot; as the most likely operation a client would =
use in order to discover which imaging services are available, in =
preparation for creating a job, etc. on a specific service. Clearly the =
client would be able to perform any supported operation of the system =
control service, and I agree IdentifyDevice is one of the expected =
operations.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>So, the =
diagram appears to reflect a IPP model using IPP terminology and does =
not reflect the Semantic Model of a System containing Services with =
system specific elements accessed via a System Control Service. Am I =
missing something?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Actually, I believe the bottom half of the diagram =
looks a lot like Figure 6 of MFD Common Model (PWG 5108.1), just turned =
on its side and combining the marker and scanner subunits as the =
&quot;physical device&quot; (also a SM term that is shared with IPP - =
perhaps you would prefer &quot;Multifunction Device&quot; or =
&quot;Multifunction Device/Subunits&quot; =
here?)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Please remember: Semantic Model came from IPP. While =
some of the terminology was changed in the move to support multifunction =
services, and some of the responsibilities are moved around (i.e. system =
control service), the overall model remains the same. &nbsp;The IPP =
Printer is an IPP Server talking to an Imaging Service, just as a web =
service binding using the Semantic Model schema and WSDL files is an =
XML-RPC server talking to an Imaging Service. &nbsp;In both cases the =
imaging services are talking to the hardware subunits (as needed) with =
implementation-defined coordination with the System Control =
Service.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Andale =
Mono";color:black'>______________________________________________________=
___<br>Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System&nbsp;Engineer, PWG =
Chair<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
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Subject: [PWG-Announce] Fwd: IETF advancing SNMP over TLS to full Internet Standard
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Hi,

Expect classic SNMPv3 (with the unique and costly security
configuration) to disappear in the next year.

SNMPv3 over TLS will become dominant.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: The IESG <iesg-secretary@ietf.org>
Date: Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 2:14 PM
Subject: [Isms] Last Call: Progressing RFCs 5343, 5590, 5591, and 6353 to
Internet Standard
To: IETF-Announce <ietf-announce@ietf.org>
Cc: isms@ietf.org



The IESG has received a request from an individual participant to make
the following status changes:

- RFC5343 from Draft Standard to Internet Standard
    (Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) Context EngineID
Discovery)

- RFC5590 from Draft Standard to Internet Standard
    (Transport Subsystem for the Simple Network Management Protocol
(SNMP))

- RFC6353 from Draft Standard to Internet Standard
    (Transport Layer Security (TLS) Transport Model for the Simple
Network Management Protocol (SNMP))

- RFC5591 from Draft Standard to Internet Standard
    (Transport Security Model for the Simple Network Management Protocol
(SNMP))

The supporting document for this request can be found here:

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/status-change-5343-5590-5591-6353-to-internet-standard/

The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2014-01-31. Exceptionally, comments may be
sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the
beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting.

The affected documents can be obtained via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc5343/
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc5590/
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc6353/
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc5591/

IESG discussion of this request can be tracked via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/status-change-5343-5590-5591-6353-to-internet-standard/ballot/

The are no downrefs in RFCs 5343, 5590, and 5591.

RFC 6353 includes the following down refs:

[RFC4347] Rescorla, E. and N. Modadugu, "Datagram Transport Layer
Security", RFC 4347, April 2006.

[RFC4366] Blake-Wilson, S., Nystrom, M., Hopwood, D., Mikkelsen,
J., and T. Wright, "Transport Layer Security (TLS) Extensions", RFC 4366,
April 2006.

[RFC5246] Dierks, T. and E. Rescorla, "The Transport Layer Security (TLS)
Protocol Version 1.2", RFC 5246, August 2008.

[RFC5280] Cooper, D., Santesson, S., Farrell, S., Boeyen, S., Housley, R.,
and W. Polk, "Internet X.509 Public Key Infrastructure Certificate and
Certificate Revocation List (CRL) Profile", RFC 5280, May 2008.

[RFC5952] Kawamura, S. and M. Kawashima, "A Recommendation for
IPv6 Address Text Representation", RFC 5952, August 2010.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div>Expect classic SNMPv3=
 (with the unique and costly security<br>configuration) to disappear in the=
 next year.<br><br></div>SNMPv3 over TLS will become dominant.<br><br></div=
>

Cheers,<br></div>- Ira<br><br clear=3D"all"><div><div><div><div><div><div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Co-Chair - =
TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing=
 WG<br>

Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Int=
ernet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MI=
B<br>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)" =
href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target=3D"_blank">http:=
//sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br>

<a style=3D"color:rgb(102,0,204)" href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/high=
northinc" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><b=
r>mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blue=
roofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>

Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094<br>Summer=
=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434<br><br><div style=
=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=3D=
"display:inline"></div>

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></div></div>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<=
br>From: <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">The IESG</b> <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:iesg-secretary@ietf.org">iesg-secretary@ietf.org</a>&gt;</=
span><br>

Date: Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 2:14 PM<br>Subject: [Isms] Last Call: Progressing=
 RFCs 5343, 5590, 5591, and 6353 to Internet Standard<br>To: IETF-Announce =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ietf-announce@ietf.org">ietf-announce@ietf.org</a>&gt=
;<br>

Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:isms@ietf.org">isms@ietf.org</a><br><br><br><br>
The IESG has received a request from an individual participant to make<br>
the following status changes:<br>
<br>
- RFC5343 from Draft Standard to Internet Standard<br>
=A0 =A0 (Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) Context EngineID<br>
Discovery)<br>
<br>
- RFC5590 from Draft Standard to Internet Standard<br>
=A0 =A0 (Transport Subsystem for the Simple Network Management Protocol<br>
(SNMP))<br>
<br>
- RFC6353 from Draft Standard to Internet Standard<br>
=A0 =A0 (Transport Layer Security (TLS) Transport Model for the Simple<br>
Network Management Protocol (SNMP))<br>
<br>
- RFC5591 from Draft Standard to Internet Standard<br>
=A0 =A0 (Transport Security Model for the Simple Network Management Protoco=
l<br>
(SNMP))<br>
<br>
The supporting document for this request can be found here:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/status-change-5343-5590-5591-635=
3-to-internet-standard/" target=3D"_blank">http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/=
status-change-5343-5590-5591-6353-to-internet-standard/</a><br>
<br>
The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits<br>
final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:ietf@ietf.org">ietf@ietf.org</a> mailing lists by 2014-01=
-31. Exceptionally, comments may be<br>
sent to <a href=3D"mailto:iesg@ietf.org">iesg@ietf.org</a> instead. In eith=
er case, please retain the<br>
beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting.<br>
<br>
The affected documents can be obtained via<br>
<a href=3D"http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc5343/" target=3D"_blank">http=
://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc5343/</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc5590/" target=3D"_blank">http=
://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc5590/</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc6353/" target=3D"_blank">http=
://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc6353/</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc5591/" target=3D"_blank">http=
://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc5591/</a><br>
<br>
IESG discussion of this request can be tracked via<br>
<a href=3D"http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/status-change-5343-5590-5591-635=
3-to-internet-standard/ballot/" target=3D"_blank">http://datatracker.ietf.o=
rg/doc/status-change-5343-5590-5591-6353-to-internet-standard/ballot/</a><b=
r>


<br>
The are no downrefs in RFCs 5343, 5590, and 5591.<br>
<br>
RFC 6353 includes the following down refs:<br>
<br>
[RFC4347] Rescorla, E. and N. Modadugu, &quot;Datagram Transport Layer<br>
Security&quot;, RFC 4347, April 2006.<br>
<br>
[RFC4366] Blake-Wilson, S., Nystrom, M., Hopwood, D., Mikkelsen,<br>
J., and T. Wright, &quot;Transport Layer Security (TLS) Extensions&quot;, R=
FC 4366,<br>
April 2006.<br>
<br>
[RFC5246] Dierks, T. and E. Rescorla, &quot;The Transport Layer Security (T=
LS)<br>
Protocol Version 1.2&quot;, RFC 5246, August 2008.<br>
<br>
[RFC5280] Cooper, D., Santesson, S., Farrell, S., Boeyen, S., Housley, R.,<=
br>
and W. Polk, &quot;Internet X.509 Public Key Infrastructure Certificate and=
<br>
Certificate Revocation List (CRL) Profile&quot;, RFC 5280, May 2008.<br>
<br>
[RFC5952] Kawamura, S. and M. Kawashima, &quot;A Recommendation for<br>
IPv6 Address Text Representation&quot;, RFC 5952, August 2010.<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
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<a href=3D"mailto:Isms@ietf.org">Isms@ietf.org</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isms" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isms</a><br>
</div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div>

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Hi Randy,

Right - it's both TLS and DTLS.

It's already widely implemented in routers and other infrastructure
devices.

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
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On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Randy Turner <rturner@amalfisystems.com>wrote:

> I'm assuming this is TLS or DTLS...
>
> R.
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Ira McDonald
> Date:01/03/2014 3:43 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: pwg-announce@pwg.org,Ira McDonald
> Subject: [PWG-Announce] Fwd: IETF advancing SNMP over TLS to full Internet
> Standard
>
> Hi,
>
> Expect classic SNMPv3 (with the unique and costly security
> configuration) to disappear in the next year.
>
> SNMPv3 over TLS will become dominant.
>
> Cheers,
> - Ira
>
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
> mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
> Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
> Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: The IESG <iesg-secretary@ietf.org>
> Date: Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 2:14 PM
> Subject: [Isms] Last Call: Progressing RFCs 5343, 5590, 5591, and 6353 to
> Internet Standard
> To: IETF-Announce <ietf-announce@ietf.org>
> Cc: isms@ietf.org
>
>
>
> The IESG has received a request from an individual participant to make
> the following status changes:
>
> - RFC5343 from Draft Standard to Internet Standard
>     (Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) Context EngineID
> Discovery)
>
> - RFC5590 from Draft Standard to Internet Standard
>     (Transport Subsystem for the Simple Network Management Protocol
> (SNMP))
>
> - RFC6353 from Draft Standard to Internet Standard
>     (Transport Layer Security (TLS) Transport Model for the Simple
> Network Management Protocol (SNMP))
>
> - RFC5591 from Draft Standard to Internet Standard
>     (Transport Security Model for the Simple Network Management Protocol
> (SNMP))
>
> The supporting document for this request can be found here:
>
>
> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/status-change-5343-5590-5591-6353-to-internet-standard/
>
> The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
> final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
> ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2014-01-31. Exceptionally, comments may be
> sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the
> beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting.
>
> The affected documents can be obtained via
> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc5343/
> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc5590/
> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc6353/
> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc5591/
>
> IESG discussion of this request can be tracked via
>
> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/status-change-5343-5590-5591-6353-to-internet-standard/ballot/
>
> The are no downrefs in RFCs 5343, 5590, and 5591.
>
> RFC 6353 includes the following down refs:
>
> [RFC4347] Rescorla, E. and N. Modadugu, "Datagram Transport Layer
> Security", RFC 4347, April 2006.
>
> [RFC4366] Blake-Wilson, S., Nystrom, M., Hopwood, D., Mikkelsen,
> J., and T. Wright, "Transport Layer Security (TLS) Extensions", RFC 4366,
> April 2006.
>
> [RFC5246] Dierks, T. and E. Rescorla, "The Transport Layer Security (TLS)
> Protocol Version 1.2", RFC 5246, August 2008.
>
> [RFC5280] Cooper, D., Santesson, S., Farrell, S., Boeyen, S., Housley, R.,
> and W. Polk, "Internet X.509 Public Key Infrastructure Certificate and
> Certificate Revocation List (CRL) Profile", RFC 5280, May 2008.
>
> [RFC5952] Kawamura, S. and M. Kawashima, "A Recommendation for
> IPv6 Address Text Representation", RFC 5952, August 2010.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>Hi Randy,<br><br></div>Right - it=
&#39;s both TLS and DTLS.<br><br></div>It&#39;s already widely implemented =
in routers and other infrastructure<br></div>devices.<br><br></div>Cheers,<=
br>

</div>- Ira<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Co-Chair -=
 TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printin=
g WG<br>

Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Int=
ernet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MI=
B<br>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)" =
href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target=3D"_blank">http:=
//sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br>

<a style=3D"color:rgb(102,0,204)" href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/high=
northinc" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><b=
r>mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blue=
roofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>

Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094<br>Summer=
=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434<br><br><div style=
=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=3D=
"display:inline"></div>

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></div></div>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Randy Tu=
rner <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rturner@amalfisystems.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">rturner@amalfisystems.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex">

<div><div>I&#39;m assuming this is TLS or DTLS...</div><div><br></div><div>=
R.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style=3D"font-size:9px;colo=
r:#575757">Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone</div></div><div>

<div class=3D"h5"><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Ira M=
cDonald <u></u> <br>Date:01/03/2014  3:43 PM  (GMT-05:00) <br>To: <a href=
=3D"mailto:pwg-announce@pwg.org" target=3D"_blank">pwg-announce@pwg.org</a>=
,Ira McDonald <u></u> <br>

Subject: [PWG-Announce] Fwd: IETF advancing SNMP over TLS to full Internet	=
Standard <br><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div>Expe=
ct classic SNMPv3 (with the unique and costly security<br>configuration) to=
 disappear in the next year.<br>

<br></div>SNMPv3 over TLS will become dominant.<br><br></div>

Cheers,<br></div>- Ira<br><br clear=3D"all"><div><div><div><div><div><div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Co-Chair - =
TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing=
 WG<br>



Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Int=
ernet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MI=
B<br>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)" =
href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target=3D"_blank">http:=
//sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br>



<a style=3D"color:rgb(102,0,204)" href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/high=
northinc" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><b=
r>mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blue=
roofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>



Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 <a href=3D"tel:734-944-0=
094" value=3D"+17349440094" target=3D"_blank">734-944-0094</a><br>Summer=A0=
 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 <a href=3D"tel:906-494-2434" value=
=3D"+19064942434" target=3D"_blank">906-494-2434</a><br>

<br><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=3D"display:inline"></div=
><div style=3D"display:inline"></div>

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></div></div>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<=
br>From: <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">The IESG</b> <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:iesg-secretary@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">iesg-secretary@=
ietf.org</a>&gt;</span><br>



Date: Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 2:14 PM<br>Subject: [Isms] Last Call: Progressing=
 RFCs 5343, 5590, 5591, and 6353 to Internet Standard<br>To: IETF-Announce =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ietf-announce@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">ietf-announ=
ce@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>



Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:isms@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">isms@ietf.org</a><br=
><br><br><br>
The IESG has received a request from an individual participant to make<br>
the following status changes:<br>
<br>
- RFC5343 from Draft Standard to Internet Standard<br>
=A0 =A0 (Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) Context EngineID<br>
Discovery)<br>
<br>
- RFC5590 from Draft Standard to Internet Standard<br>
=A0 =A0 (Transport Subsystem for the Simple Network Management Protocol<br>
(SNMP))<br>
<br>
- RFC6353 from Draft Standard to Internet Standard<br>
=A0 =A0 (Transport Layer Security (TLS) Transport Model for the Simple<br>
Network Management Protocol (SNMP))<br>
<br>
- RFC5591 from Draft Standard to Internet Standard<br>
=A0 =A0 (Transport Security Model for the Simple Network Management Protoco=
l<br>
(SNMP))<br>
<br>
The supporting document for this request can be found here:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/status-change-5343-5590-5591-635=
3-to-internet-standard/" target=3D"_blank">http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/=
status-change-5343-5590-5591-6353-to-internet-standard/</a><br>
<br>
The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits<br>
final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:ietf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">ietf@ietf.org</a> mailin=
g lists by 2014-01-31. Exceptionally, comments may be<br>
sent to <a href=3D"mailto:iesg@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">iesg@ietf.org</a=
> instead. In either case, please retain the<br>
beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting.<br>
<br>
The affected documents can be obtained via<br>
<a href=3D"http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc5343/" target=3D"_blank">http=
://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc5343/</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc5590/" target=3D"_blank">http=
://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc5590/</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc6353/" target=3D"_blank">http=
://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc6353/</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc5591/" target=3D"_blank">http=
://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc5591/</a><br>
<br>
IESG discussion of this request can be tracked via<br>
<a href=3D"http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/status-change-5343-5590-5591-635=
3-to-internet-standard/ballot/" target=3D"_blank">http://datatracker.ietf.o=
rg/doc/status-change-5343-5590-5591-6353-to-internet-standard/ballot/</a><b=
r>




<br>
The are no downrefs in RFCs 5343, 5590, and 5591.<br>
<br>
RFC 6353 includes the following down refs:<br>
<br>
[RFC4347] Rescorla, E. and N. Modadugu, &quot;Datagram Transport Layer<br>
Security&quot;, RFC 4347, April 2006.<br>
<br>
[RFC4366] Blake-Wilson, S., Nystrom, M., Hopwood, D., Mikkelsen,<br>
J., and T. Wright, &quot;Transport Layer Security (TLS) Extensions&quot;, R=
FC 4366,<br>
April 2006.<br>
<br>
[RFC5246] Dierks, T. and E. Rescorla, &quot;The Transport Layer Security (T=
LS)<br>
Protocol Version 1.2&quot;, RFC 5246, August 2008.<br>
<br>
[RFC5280] Cooper, D., Santesson, S., Farrell, S., Boeyen, S., Housley, R.,<=
br>
and W. Polk, &quot;Internet X.509 Public Key Infrastructure Certificate and=
<br>
Certificate Revocation List (CRL) Profile&quot;, RFC 5280, May 2008.<br>
<br>
[RFC5952] Kawamura, S. and M. Kawashima, &quot;A Recommendation for<br>
IPv6 Address Text Representation&quot;, RFC 5952, August 2010.<br>
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All,

After reading through some of the email traffic over the holiday break, =
I'd like to outline some of my thoughts regarding how I think IPPSIX =
fits with the Semantic Model and how we should proceed with adding =
notifications to the Semantic Model.


1. Notification Service

I don't see how a first-class notification service makes sense.  As =
implemented in IPP, notifications describe state changes to a Printer =
(service and its constituent devices/subunits), its Jobs, and its =
Documents.

In the Semantic Model, this would mean that all services could support =
notification operations (Create<service>ServiceSubscription, =
Create<service>JobSubscription, Renew<service>Subscription, =
Cancel<service>Subscription, Get<service>Notifications) and job ticket =
elements (Subscriptions group?)  Naturally, services that are not =
job-based would not support job subscriptions.

If you wanted to monitor for service/device state changes across all =
services, you would talk to the System Control Service and send a =
CreateSystemServiceSubscription request with a list of events you are =
interested in.  And then poll using GetSystemNotifications requests. =
Depending on the binding you could have GetSystemNotifications support =
the usual wait-for-events, maximum time to wait, etc. and also include a =
recommended polling interval in the response (just like IPP already =
does).

That just leaves how a Proxy might efficiently be notified when it has =
work - since the System Control Service isn't a job-based service and =
does not have visibility into the jobs of each service, it can't =
generate JobXxx events for the Proxy so it knows to ask a particular =
service for updates.  The simplest solution is to just have the Proxy =
talk to each of the services it is registered with - =
GetPrintNotifications, GetScanNotifications, etc.


2. Devices and Subunits

Both IPP and the Semantic Model have a notion of devices (Output Device =
in IPP, Imaging Device in SM) with associated subunits (marker, input =
trays, output trays, etc.).  Subunit state for all devices is reported =
through the corresponding attributes/elements, with a roll-up state in =
the printer-state-reasons attribute/StateReasons element.  There is no =
way to associate subunit state with a particular device, although MOST =
services only have a single associated device.

For IPPSIX I added operations and attributes that allow a Client to =
query and a Proxy to supply/update the state of a particular device and =
its subunits.  This is needed not only to support the existing fanout =
model in IPP and the Semantic Model, but to allow multiple Proxies to =
communicate with a single Infrastructure/Cloud service - otherwise a =
Proxy would always be responsible for state roll-up of all associated =
devices and subunits (right now it is an implementation choice).

One of the key concerns I've heard with this approach is that, in the =
Semantic Model, the subunit state is read-only and System Control =
Service is responsible for maintaining the state of all devices and =
subunits managed by the System Object.  My response to this is:

1. Subunit state management and propagation is an implementation detail =
and not part of the model.  Specifically, the Semantic Model does not =
define an interface between the services for coordination, etc.

2. Correlation of subunits with services and devices is likewise an =
implementation detail and not defined by the model.

3. The new operations manipulate separate sets of device attributes and =
not the read-only roll-up attributes reported by the Printer/Service.

Thus, I don't think we have a problem with extending the Semantic Model =
to support Get/Set<service>DeviceElements operations. The semantics of =
those operations can be well-defined and how a particular Imaging System =
does correlation and roll-up of the device elements/state can remain an =
implementation detail.

(conceptually we could add/expose DeviceId elements to each of the =
subunit status groups to formally correlate a subunit with a device; the =
inter-service interfaces would still be an implementation detail but it =
would make external correlation possible)



Thoughts?


_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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[This is a reminder, please visit the survey page...]

All,

The February 2014 PWG face-to-face meeting page is now available. The agenda and venue information can be found at:

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Michael,

There are, typically, multiple valid solutions to an engineering problem,
and insofar as IPP plans to provide a complete solution to multifunction and
cloud imaging, it is unclear that there is any advantage in pursuing an
abstract model. At this point, I admit that I do not understand the IPP
approach to multifunction or whether there is a system, and the Cloud model
we are dealing multifunction. So maybe we should just wait until those
concepts are clear in IPP.

1. With respect to the notification service, I agree with your objection.
And from the Semantic Model, the System Control Service does not deal with
jobs, so aside from reporting on the existence and state of system services,
it cannot provide information on Jobs. So we are left with the local proxy
communicating with individual Cloud Services, or the idea of a Cloud proxy
that parallels the local proxy function. This Cloud Proxy just a modeling
component allowing the cloud services to remain modeled as classical imaging
services supporting no new operations, and allows the local proxy some
efficiency in communicating with just one cloud endpoint. However, the idea
of a common point for Cloud Imaging System Communication assumes that there
is an Imaging System and not just isolated imaging services. It seems to me
that IPP does not yet include the concept of a system containing multiple
imaging services of different types, so no aggregating element that Cloud or
SM define will find a match in IPP. 

At any rate, we can have the local proxy communicate with individual
services as you suggest, although since the communication is with a specific
service, it would seem that GetNotifications rather than
GetPrintNotifications, GetScanNotifications, etc would be sufficient.

2. IPP devices and SM devices are not the same. An SM Device represents the
hardware implementing one or more services and exposes all subunits involved
in those services. Although not specifically stated, a device appears be the
hardware  containing the System. The model itself does not identify a device
as distinct from a system. An IPP device appears to be some collection of
subunits but does not correspond to a service. 
I think it reasonable that in the Cloud Imaging model, we do not concern
ourselves with device or subunit management. If the Semantic Model intends
to address subunit management, the subunits are associated with each service
(except, oddly, the system control service). I certainly do not understand
the comment  " System Control Service is responsible for maintaining the
state of all devices and subunits managed by the System Object."
Thanks,
Bill Wagner
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All,

After reading through some of the email traffic over the holiday break, I'd
like to outline some of my thoughts regarding how I think IPPSIX fits with
the Semantic Model and how we should proceed with adding notifications to
the Semantic Model.


1. Notification Service

I don't see how a first-class notification service makes sense.  As
implemented in IPP, notifications describe state changes to a Printer
(service and its constituent devices/subunits), its Jobs, and its Documents.

In the Semantic Model, this would mean that all services could support
notification operations (Create<service>ServiceSubscription,
Create<service>JobSubscription, Renew<service>Subscription,
Cancel<service>Subscription, Get<service>Notifications) and job ticket
elements (Subscriptions group?)  Naturally, services that are not job-based
would not support job subscriptions.

If you wanted to monitor for service/device state changes across all
services, you would talk to the System Control Service and send a
CreateSystemServiceSubscription request with a list of events you are
interested in.  And then poll using GetSystemNotifications requests.
Depending on the binding you could have GetSystemNotifications support the
usual wait-for-events, maximum time to wait, etc. and also include a
recommended polling interval in the response (just like IPP already does).

That just leaves how a Proxy might efficiently be notified when it has work
- since the System Control Service isn't a job-based service and does not
have visibility into the jobs of each service, it can't generate JobXxx
events for the Proxy so it knows to ask a particular service for updates.
The simplest solution is to just have the Proxy talk to each of the services
it is registered with - GetPrintNotifications, GetScanNotifications, etc.


2. Devices and Subunits

Both IPP and the Semantic Model have a notion of devices (Output Device in
IPP, Imaging Device in SM) with associated subunits (marker, input trays,
output trays, etc.).  Subunit state for all devices is reported through the
corresponding attributes/elements, with a roll-up state in the
printer-state-reasons attribute/StateReasons element.  There is no way to
associate subunit state with a particular device, although MOST services
only have a single associated device.

For IPPSIX I added operations and attributes that allow a Client to query
and a Proxy to supply/update the state of a particular device and its
subunits.  This is needed not only to support the existing fanout model in
IPP and the Semantic Model, but to allow multiple Proxies to communicate
with a single Infrastructure/Cloud service - otherwise a Proxy would always
be responsible for state roll-up of all associated devices and subunits
(right now it is an implementation choice).

One of the key concerns I've heard with this approach is that, in the
Semantic Model, the subunit state is read-only and System Control Service is
responsible for maintaining the state of all devices and subunits managed by
the System Object.  My response to this is:

1. Subunit state management and propagation is an implementation detail and
not part of the model.  Specifically, the Semantic Model does not define an
interface between the services for coordination, etc.

2. Correlation of subunits with services and devices is likewise an
implementation detail and not defined by the model.

3. The new operations manipulate separate sets of device attributes and not
the read-only roll-up attributes reported by the Printer/Service.

Thus, I don't think we have a problem with extending the Semantic Model to
support Get/Set<service>DeviceElements operations. The semantics of those
operations can be well-defined and how a particular Imaging System does
correlation and roll-up of the device elements/state can remain an
implementation detail.

(conceptually we could add/expose DeviceId elements to each of the subunit
status groups to formally correlate a subunit with a device; the
inter-service interfaces would still be an implementation detail but it
would make external correlation possible)



Thoughts?


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I  am unclear on a Semantic Model configuration issue, which also may relate
to IPP multifunction. The Semantic Model assumes that  communication is from
client to service.  But in our operations, we identify the Service (e.g.,
CancelFaxInJob), which should not be necessary if the operation is directed
to the service.  On the other hand, depending  upon where you want to put
the transport address boundary, it is reasonable to think of operations
being directed to the MFD, which corresponds to the System, in which case
the service should be identified. Of course, this is inadequate if there are
multiple services of a given type in the same system. Bottom line, should
operations identify the Service type?

 

With respect to IPP, should the multi service configuration look like A or B
below? (or perhaps something else entirely?) Again, the modeling question is
whether the service  identification is included in the operation.

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Thanks,

Bill Wagner

 

 


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Greetings,

At long last I=92ve posted a new baseline draft of the IPP Implementor=92s =
Guide v2.0 to the PWG FTP site.  Notable changes among others are:

1. Addressed scenario where Create-Job created the job but Send-Document fa=
ils (triggered by query from vendor: what to do when document-format is uns=
upported?)
2. Added new proposed operation for filtering features for a given user (JP=
S4?) Moved discussion of xxx-actual use to its own section (currently secti=
on 11.1)
3. Expanded discussion of Send-URI / document-by-reference and recommended =
generally against it
4. Added new section 9 for covering IPP Notifications

There are still a number of TBD areas that need filling out.  We also may w=
ant to consider limiting the scope of this document, since it seems to be g=
rowing in a more-or-less open ended manner.

http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippig20-20140109.pdf
http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippig20-20140109.docx
http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippig20-20140109-rev.pdf


Please review and post comments to this reflector, or bring your comments t=
o the conference call.

Cheers,
Smith

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Bill,

I'm a little confused on what you have labeled as an IPP Server and IPP Pri=
nter.  My view is that an IPP Server is what you have labeled as IPP Printe=
r.  It contains the required protocol stacks, resources and service instanc=
es.  I have always understood an IPP Printer to be an instance of a Print S=
ervice.  This would map to a Virtual Printer in ISO 10175 DPA.

I have assumed that there would be a single IPP stack implementation (i.e.,=
 IPP Server in your first diagram) that would front end the service instanc=
es. Each service instance would be referenced by its unique URL (e.g., same=
 URI Scheme, hostname and port, different paths)  Implementers are free to =
do things differently but I assume the intent of the IPP specification woul=
d be to multiplex all the IPP Services over a single port (i.e., 631)

I agree that we could have used generic verbs but once we finished print we=
 were stuck with the names of the verb.  Since IPP uses an enumeration we c=
an reuse the enumeration across the services.  In the semantic model the op=
eration does not really identify the service type.  The Service URL identif=
ies the service type.  The operation names are simply service specific alia=
ses for a common semantic operation.  We could have opted for a generic nam=
e but we went with a naming convention instead.

Pete

Peter Zehler

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From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of William=
 A Wagner
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:57 PM
To: ipp@pwg.org; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list'
Subject: [IPP] Models

I  am unclear on a Semantic Model configuration issue, which also may relat=
e to IPP multifunction. The Semantic Model assumes that  communication is f=
rom client to service.  But in our operations, we identify the Service (e.g=
., CancelFaxInJob), which should not be necessary if the operation is direc=
ted to the service.  On the other hand, depending  upon where you want to p=
ut the transport address boundary, it is reasonable to think of operations =
being directed to the MFD, which corresponds to the System, in which case t=
he service should be identified. Of course, this is inadequate if there are=
 multiple services of a given type in the same system. Bottom line, should =
operations identify the Service type?

With respect to IPP, should the multi service configuration look like A or =
B below? (or perhaps something else entirely?) Again, the modeling question=
 is whether the service  identification is included in the operation.
[IPP Printer A.jpg][IPP Printer B.jpg]
IPP Multifunction A                                                        =
                                                                           =
                                                      IPP Multifunction B

Thanks,
Bill Wagner



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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I&#8217;m a little con=
fused on what you have labeled as an IPP Server and IPP Printer.&nbsp; My v=
iew is that an IPP Server is what you have labeled as IPP Printer.&nbsp; It=
 contains the required protocol stacks, resources and
 service instances.&nbsp; I have always understood an IPP Printer to be an =
instance of a Print Service.&nbsp; This would map to a Virtual Printer in I=
SO 10175 DPA.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I have assumed that th=
ere would be a single IPP stack implementation (i.e., IPP Server in your fi=
rst diagram) that would front end the service instances. Each service insta=
nce would be referenced by its unique
 URL (e.g., same URI Scheme, hostname and port, different paths)&nbsp; Impl=
ementers are free to do things differently but I assume the intent of the I=
PP specification would be to multiplex all the IPP Services over a single p=
ort (i.e., 631)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I agree that we could =
have used generic verbs but once we finished print we were stuck with the n=
ames of the verb.&nbsp; Since IPP uses an enumeration we can reuse the enum=
eration across the services.&nbsp; In the semantic
 model the operation does not really identify the service type.&nbsp; The S=
ervice URL identifies the service type.&nbsp; The operation names are simpl=
y service specific aliases for a common semantic operation.&nbsp; We could =
have opted for a generic name but we went with
 a naming convention instead.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Pete<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Impact&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Peter Zehler</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497=
D"><br>
<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Xerox Research Center Webster<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Email:
<a href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com">Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com</a></span>=
<span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
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</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
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"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">800 Phillips Rd.</span><span style=3D"color:#1=
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</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
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ces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>William A Wagner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> ipp@pwg.org; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [IPP] Models<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I&nbsp; am unclear on a Semantic Model configuration=
 issue, which also may relate to IPP multifunction. The Semantic Model assu=
mes that &nbsp;communication is from client to service. &nbsp;But in our op=
erations, we identify the Service (e.g., CancelFaxInJob),
 which should not be necessary if the operation is directed to the service.=
 &nbsp;On the other hand, depending &nbsp;upon where you want to put the tr=
ansport address boundary, it is reasonable to think of operations being dir=
ected to the MFD, which corresponds to the
 System, in which case the service should be identified. Of course, this is=
 inadequate if there are multiple services of a given type in the same syst=
em. Bottom line, should operations identify the Service type?<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">With respect to IPP, should the multi service config=
uration look like A or B below? (or perhaps something else entirely?) Again=
, the modeling question is whether the service&nbsp; identification is incl=
uded in the operation.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><img border=3D"0" width=3D"521" height=3D"431" id=3D=
"Picture_x0020_0" src=3D"cid:image001.jpg@01CF0DDF.B490F2A0" alt=3D"IPP Pri=
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020_3" src=3D"cid:image002.jpg@01CF0DDF.B490F2A0" alt=3D"IPP Printer B.jpg"=
><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">IPP Multifunction A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; IPP Multifunction B<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bill Wagner<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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All,
I will be unavailable on Monday 1/13.  Given the IPP groups full plate I su=
ggest we defer discussion on the scan specification until Monday 1/27.  I w=
ould be interested in having an IPP Scan specific concall the week of the 2=
0th if we have any interested parties and can find a time.    At this time =
my schedule is fairly open.  Anyone interested in getting the IPP Scan comp=
leted?
Pete

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com<mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com>
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I will be unavailable on Monday 1/13.&nbsp; Given th=
e IPP groups full plate I suggest we defer discussion on the scan specifica=
tion until Monday 1/27.&nbsp; I would be interested in having an IPP Scan s=
pecific concall the week of the 20<sup>th</sup>
 if we have any interested parties and can find a time.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; A=
t this time my schedule is fairly open.&nbsp; Anyone interested in getting =
the IPP Scan completed?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pete<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Impact&quot;,&quot;=
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D"><br>
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;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Xerox Research Center Webster<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Email:
<a href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com"><span style=3D"color:blue">Peter.=
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Hi Pete,

I would be happy to participate in an extra IPP Scan Service review call in
the week of 20-24 January.

Possible times that would work for me are:

Mon 20 Jan 10am-12pm
Tue 21 Jan 1-3pm
Wed 22 Jan 1-3pm

All - please respond ASAP, so we can confirm at IPP meeting on 13 January.

Cheers,
- Ira




Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
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Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
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Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434



On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com>wrote:

>  All,
>
> I will be unavailable on Monday 1/13.  Given the IPP groups full plate I
> suggest we defer discussion on the scan specification until Monday 1/27.  I
> would be interested in having an IPP Scan specific concall the week of the
> 20th if we have any interested parties and can find a time.    At this
> time my schedule is fairly open.  Anyone interested in getting the IPP Scan
> completed?
>
> Pete
>
>
>
> Peter Zehler
>
> Xerox Research Center Webster
> Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
> Voice: (585) 265-8755
> FAX: (585) 265-7441
> US Mail: Peter Zehler
> Xerox Corp.
> 800 Phillips Rd.
> M/S 128-25E
> Webster NY, 14580-9701
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Hi Pete,<br><br></=
div>I would be happy to participate in an extra IPP Scan Service review cal=
l in<br>the week of 20-24 January.<br><br></div>Possible times that would w=
ork for me are:<br>

<br></div>Mon 20 Jan 10am-12pm<br></div>Tue 21 Jan 1-3pm<br></div>Wed 22 Ja=
n 1-3pm<br><br></div>All - please respond ASAP, so we can confirm at IPP me=
eting on 13 January.<br><br></div>Cheers,<br></div>- Ira<br><br><div><div>

<br><div><br></div></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=
=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)=
<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux Foundatio=
n Open Printing WG<br>

Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Int=
ernet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MI=
B<br>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)" =
href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target=3D"_blank">http:=
//sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br>

<a style=3D"color:rgb(102,0,204)" href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/high=
northinc" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><b=
r>mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blue=
roofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>

Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094<br>Summer=
=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434<br><br><div style=
=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=3D=
"display:inline"></div>

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></div></div>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Zehler,=
 Peter <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left:1ex">







<div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-US">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">All,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I will be unavailable on Monday 1/13.=A0 Given the I=
PP groups full plate I suggest we defer discussion on the scan specificatio=
n until Monday 1/27.=A0 I would be interested in having an IPP Scan specifi=
c concall the week of the 20<sup>th</sup>
 if we have any interested parties and can find a time.=A0=A0=A0 At this ti=
me my schedule is fairly open.=A0 Anyone interested in getting the IPP Scan=
 completed?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pete<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Impact&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Peter Zehler</span><span style=3D"color:#1f497=
d"><br>
<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Xerox Research Center Webster<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Email:
<a href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"=
color:blue">Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com</span></a></span><span style=3D"color:#1=
f497d"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Voice: <a href=3D"tel:%28585%29%20265-8755" va=
lue=3D"+15852658755" target=3D"_blank">(585) 265-8755</a></span><span style=
=3D"color:#1f497d"><br>


</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
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</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">US Mail: Peter Zehler</span><span style=3D"col=
or:#1f497d"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
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"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">800 Phillips Rd.</span><span style=3D"color:#1=
f497d"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">M/S 128-25E</span><span style=3D"color:#1f497d=
"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
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lor:#1f497d">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&qu=
ot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
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I am open during the times you have listed for Monday and Tuesday. I have a
conflict on the Wednesday and wouldn't be able to attend.

 

Thanks.

 

Best Regards,

 

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From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira
McDonald
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 11:13 AM
To: Zehler, Peter; Ira McDonald
Cc: IPP@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] When will next IPP Scan spec review be held?

 

Hi Pete,

I would be happy to participate in an extra IPP Scan Service review call in
the week of 20-24 January.

Possible times that would work for me are:

Mon 20 Jan 10am-12pm

Tue 21 Jan 1-3pm

Wed 22 Jan 1-3pm

All - please respond ASAP, so we can confirm at IPP meeting on 13 January.

Cheers,

- Ira

 

 




Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
 <http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic>
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
 <http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc>
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434

 

On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com>
wrote:

All,

I will be unavailable on Monday 1/13.  Given the IPP groups full plate I
suggest we defer discussion on the scan specification until Monday 1/27.  I
would be interested in having an IPP Scan specific concall the week of the
20th if we have any interested parties and can find a time.    At this time
my schedule is fairly open.  Anyone interested in getting the IPP Scan
completed?

Pete

 

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755 <tel:%28585%29%20265-8755> 
FAX: (585) 265-7441 <tel:%28585%29%20265-7441> 
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701 

 

 


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div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bott=
om:12.0pt'>Hi Pete,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margi=
n-bottom:12.0pt'>I would be happy to participate in an extra IPP Scan Servi=
ce review call in<br>the week of 20-24 January.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Possible times that would work=
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please respond ASAP, so we can confirm at IPP meeting on 13 January.<o:p></=
o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DM=
soNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>- Ira<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p cl=
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<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt=
'>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mo=
bility Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secreta=
ry - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet P=
rinting Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>Bl=
ue Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/b=
lueroofmusic" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>http://sites.=
google.com/site/blueroofmusic</span></a><br><a href=3D"http://sites.google.=
com/site/highnorthinc" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D'color:#6600CC'>http=
://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</span></a><br>mailto: <a href=3D"mail=
to:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><b=
r>Winter&nbsp; 579 Park Place&nbsp; Saline, MI&nbsp; 48176&nbsp; 734-944-00=
94<br>Summer&nbsp; PO Box 221&nbsp; Grand Marais, MI 49839&nbsp; 906-494-24=
34<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12=
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p; Given the IPP groups full plate I suggest we defer discussion on the sca=
n specification until Monday 1/27.&nbsp; I would be interested in having an=
 IPP Scan specific concall the week of the 20<sup>th</sup> if we have any i=
nterested parties and can find a time.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; At this time my sc=
hedule is fairly open.&nbsp; Anyone interested in getting the IPP Scan comp=
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Pete,

 

The configuration of an " IPP Printer" being composed of an IPP Server and a
Print Service follows the diagram in IPP SIX and, indeed, goes back to RFC
2911.  Furthermore, the "output device" was not considered part of the IPP
Printer. We did not necessarily adhere to this configuration in the MFD
model where we defined the Device as representing the hardware implementing
the Service, prompting two distinct uses of the word "device". I think the
point of separating the IPP Server and the Print Service  was that IPP just
defines the IPP interface to the IPP Printer but does not define the form or
specifics of the Print Service (one could argue that the Semantic Model
does). But the separation is convenient in considering IPP  multifunction so
that, as you suggest, there is a common IPP front end to potentially
multiple imaging services.

 

I am inclined, in the SM3 document, to eliminate the <service> term in
defining operations (e.g., Create<service>Job), unless they are
service-type specific. The understanding would be that the specific service
is in the address.  What is your opinion in this?

 

Thanks,

Bill Wagner

 

From: Zehler, Peter [mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 9:06 AM
To: William A Wagner; ipp@pwg.org; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion
list'
Subject: RE: [IPP] Models

 

Bill,

 

I'm a little confused on what you have labeled as an IPP Server and IPP
Printer.  My view is that an IPP Server is what you have labeled as IPP
Printer.  It contains the required protocol stacks, resources and service
instances.  I have always understood an IPP Printer to be an instance of a
Print Service.  This would map to a Virtual Printer in ISO 10175 DPA.

 

I have assumed that there would be a single IPP stack implementation (i.e.,
IPP Server in your first diagram) that would front end the service
instances. Each service instance would be referenced by its unique URL
(e.g., same URI Scheme, hostname and port, different paths)  Implementers
are free to do things differently but I assume the intent of the IPP
specification would be to multiplex all the IPP Services over a single port
(i.e., 631)

 

I agree that we could have used generic verbs but once we finished print we
were stuck with the names of the verb.  Since IPP uses an enumeration we can
reuse the enumeration across the services.  In the semantic model the
operation does not really identify the service type.  The Service URL
identifies the service type.  The operation names are simply service
specific aliases for a common semantic operation.  We could have opted for a
generic name but we went with a naming convention instead.

 

Pete

 

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701 

 

 

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of William
A Wagner
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:57 PM
To: ipp@pwg.org; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list'
Subject: [IPP] Models

 

I  am unclear on a Semantic Model configuration issue, which also may relate
to IPP multifunction. The Semantic Model assumes that  communication is from
client to service.  But in our operations, we identify the Service (e.g.,
CancelFaxInJob), which should not be necessary if the operation is directed
to the service.  On the other hand, depending  upon where you want to put
the transport address boundary, it is reasonable to think of operations
being directed to the MFD, which corresponds to the System, in which case
the service should be identified. Of course, this is inadequate if there are
multiple services of a given type in the same system. Bottom line, should
operations identify the Service type?

 

With respect to IPP, should the multi service configuration look like A or B
below? (or perhaps something else entirely?) Again, the modeling question is
whether the service  identification is included in the operation.

IPP Printer A.jpgIPP Printer B.jpg

IPP Multifunction A
IPP Multifunction B

 

Thanks,

Bill Wagner

 

 


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class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The configuration of an =
&#8220; IPP Printer&#8221; being composed of an IPP Server and a Print =
Service follows the diagram in IPP SIX and, indeed, goes back to RFC =
2911. &nbsp;Furthermore, the &#8220;output device&#8221; was not =
considered part of the IPP Printer. We did not necessarily adhere to =
this configuration in the MFD model where we defined the Device as =
representing the hardware implementing the Service, prompting two =
distinct uses of the word &#8220;device&#8221;. I think the point of =
separating the IPP Server and the Print Service &nbsp;was that IPP just =
defines the IPP interface to the IPP Printer but does not define the =
form or specifics of the Print Service (one could argue that the =
Semantic Model does). But the separation is convenient in considering =
IPP &nbsp;multifunction so that, as you suggest, there is a common IPP =
front end to potentially multiple imaging =
services.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I am inclined, in the =
SM3 document, to eliminate the &lt;service&gt; term in defining =
operations (e.g., Create&lt;service&gt;Job), unless they are =
&nbsp;service-type specific. The understanding would be that the =
specific service is in the address. &nbsp;What is your opinion in =
this?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Bill =
Wagner<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Zehler, Peter [mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, =
January 10, 2014 9:06 AM<br><b>To:</b> William A Wagner; ipp@pwg.org; =
'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: =
[IPP] Models<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Bill,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I&#8217;m a little =
confused on what you have labeled as an IPP Server and IPP =
Printer.&nbsp; My view is that an IPP Server is what you have labeled as =
IPP Printer.&nbsp; It contains the required protocol stacks, resources =
and service instances.&nbsp; I have always understood an IPP Printer to =
be an instance of a Print Service.&nbsp; This would map to a Virtual =
Printer in ISO 10175 DPA.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I have assumed that =
there would be a single IPP stack implementation (i.e., IPP Server in =
your first diagram) that would front end the service instances. Each =
service instance would be referenced by its unique URL (e.g., same URI =
Scheme, hostname and port, different paths)&nbsp; Implementers are free =
to do things differently but I assume the intent of the IPP =
specification would be to multiplex all the IPP Services over a single =
port (i.e., 631)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I agree that we could =
have used generic verbs but once we finished print we were stuck with =
the names of the verb.&nbsp; Since IPP uses an enumeration we can reuse =
the enumeration across the services.&nbsp; In the semantic model the =
operation does not really identify the service type.&nbsp; The Service =
URL identifies the service type.&nbsp; The operation names are simply =
service specific aliases for a common semantic operation.&nbsp; We could =
have opted for a generic name but we went with a naming convention =
instead.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Pete<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><br></span><span =
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ice: (585) 265-8755</span><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><br></span><span =
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<a href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a> [<a =
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>William A Wagner<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January =
09, 2014 12:57 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a>; 'Semantic Model 3.0 =
Workgroup discussion list'<br><b>Subject:</b> [IPP] =
Models<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I&nbsp; am =
unclear on a Semantic Model configuration issue, which also may relate =
to IPP multifunction. The Semantic Model assumes that =
&nbsp;communication is from client to service. &nbsp;But in our =
operations, we identify the Service (e.g., CancelFaxInJob), which should =
not be necessary if the operation is directed to the service. &nbsp;On =
the other hand, depending &nbsp;upon where you want to put the transport =
address boundary, it is reasonable to think of operations being directed =
to the MFD, which corresponds to the System, in which case the service =
should be identified. Of course, this is inadequate if there are =
multiple services of a given type in the same system. Bottom line, =
should operations identify the Service type?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>With respect =
to IPP, should the multi service configuration look like A or B below? =
(or perhaps something else entirely?) Again, the modeling question is =
whether the service&nbsp; identification is included in the =
operation.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><img border=3D0 =
width=3D521 height=3D431 id=3D"Picture_x0020_0" =
src=3D"cid:image001.jpg@01CF0DF8.12D82780" alt=3D"IPP Printer =
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src=3D"cid:image002.jpg@01CF0DF8.12D82780" alt=3D"IPP Printer =
B.jpg"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>IPP Multifunction =
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Wagner<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
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To: "Zehler, Peter" <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com>, William A Wagner <wamwagner@comcast.net>, "<ipp@pwg.org>" <ipp@pwg.org>, "Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list" <sm3@pwg.org>
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Greetings,

For what it is worth, Pete=92s description mirrors my own perception of =
the IPP object relationship.  Graphically, this is how I understand the =
relationship between the =93Printer objects=94 and the =93server=94 to =
exist, at least in terms of IPP:



Pete, when you say =93The Service URL identifies the service type=94, do =
you mean that the resource path in a URL defines the service type?  If =
so, I=92m not sure that is guaranteed to be true.  For instance =
=93ipp://myhost.pwg.org/ipp/fax=94 could be =93Fax=94 but could be =
anything.  PWG 5100.15 says that an IPP FaxOut service MUST be at =
/ipp/fax but nothing prevents a single-function printer from having a =
conventional =93Print=94 service at =93/ipp/fax=94.  It seems that =
inspection of the =93ipp-features-supported=94 is the way that one knows =
what service =93type=94 is at a particular resource path.

Smith

/**
    Smith Kennedy
    ATB Wireless Architect - PPS
    Hewlett-Packard Co.
*/



On 2014-01-10, at 7:06 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com> wrote:

> Bill,
> =20
> I=92m a little confused on what you have labeled as an IPP Server and =
IPP Printer.  My view is that an IPP Server is what you have labeled as =
IPP Printer.  It contains the required protocol stacks, resources and =
service instances.  I have always understood an IPP Printer to be an =
instance of a Print Service.  This would map to a Virtual Printer in ISO =
10175 DPA.
> =20
> I have assumed that there would be a single IPP stack implementation =
(i.e., IPP Server in your first diagram) that would front end the =
service instances. Each service instance would be referenced by its =
unique URL (e.g., same URI Scheme, hostname and port, different paths)  =
Implementers are free to do things differently but I assume the intent =
of the IPP specification would be to multiplex all the IPP Services over =
a single port (i.e., 631)
> =20
> I agree that we could have used generic verbs but once we finished =
print we were stuck with the names of the verb.  Since IPP uses an =
enumeration we can reuse the enumeration across the services.  In the =
semantic model the operation does not really identify the service type.  =
The Service URL identifies the service type.  The operation names are =
simply service specific aliases for a common semantic operation.  We =
could have opted for a generic name but we went with a naming convention =
instead.
> =20
> Pete
> =20
> Peter Zehler
>=20
> Xerox Research Center Webster
> Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
> Voice: (585) 265-8755
> FAX: (585) 265-7441
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> Webster NY, 14580-9701
> =20
> =20
> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of =
William A Wagner
> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:57 PM
> To: ipp@pwg.org; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list'
> Subject: [IPP] Models
> =20
> I  am unclear on a Semantic Model configuration issue, which also may =
relate to IPP multifunction. The Semantic Model assumes that  =
communication is from client to service.  But in our operations, we =
identify the Service (e.g., CancelFaxInJob), which should not be =
necessary if the operation is directed to the service.  On the other =
hand, depending  upon where you want to put the transport address =
boundary, it is reasonable to think of operations being directed to the =
MFD, which corresponds to the System, in which case the service should =
be identified. Of course, this is inadequate if there are multiple =
services of a given type in the same system. Bottom line, should =
operations identify the Service type?
> =20
> With respect to IPP, should the multi service configuration look like =
A or B below? (or perhaps something else entirely?) Again, the modeling =
question is whether the service  identification is included in the =
operation.
> <image001.jpg><image002.jpg>
> IPP Multifunction A                                                    =
                                                                         =
                                                            IPP =
Multifunction B
> =20
> Thanks,
> Bill Wagner
> =20
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after-white-space;">Greetings,<div><br></div><div>For what it is worth, =
Pete=92s description mirrors my own perception of the IPP object =
relationship. &nbsp;Graphically, this is how I understand the =
relationship between the =93Printer objects=94 and the =93server=94 to =
exist, at least in terms of IPP:</div><div><br></div><div><img =
apple-inline=3D"yes" id=3D"04D065C5-3B03-4A67-87F1-59CC34D9E8D8" =
height=3D"364" width=3D"443" apple-width=3D"yes" apple-height=3D"yes" =
src=3D"cid:BAE113B4-4848-4516-8954-A470C3372112"></div><div><br></div><div=
>Pete, when you say =93The Service URL identifies the service type=94, =
do you mean that the resource path in a URL defines the service type? =
&nbsp;If so, I=92m not sure that is guaranteed to be true. &nbsp;For =
instance =93<a =
href=3D"ipp://myhost.pwg.org/ipp/fax=94">ipp://myhost.pwg.org/ipp/fax=94</=
a> could be =93Fax=94 but could be anything. &nbsp;PWG 5100.15 says that =
an IPP FaxOut service MUST be at /ipp/fax but nothing prevents a =
single-function printer from having a conventional =93Print=94 service =
at =93/ipp/fax=94. &nbsp;It seems that inspection of the =
=93ipp-features-supported=94 is the way that one knows what service =
=93type=94 is at a particular resource path.</div><div><br><div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial;  font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; =
">Smith<br><br>/**<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; Smith Kennedy<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; ATB =
Wireless Architect - PPS<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; Hewlett-Packard =
Co.<br>*/<br><br><br></div>
</div>
<br><div><div>On 2014-01-10, at 7:06 AM, Zehler, Peter &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" =
style=3D"font-family: ArialMT; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class=3D"WordSection1" =
style=3D"page: WordSection1;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Bill,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);">&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">I=92m a little confused on what you have labeled as =
an IPP Server and IPP Printer.&nbsp; My view is that an IPP Server is =
what you have labeled as IPP Printer.&nbsp; It contains the required =
protocol stacks, resources and service instances.&nbsp; I have always =
understood an IPP Printer to be an instance of a Print Service.&nbsp; =
This would map to a Virtual Printer in ISO 10175 =
DPA.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I have assumed that there would be a =
single IPP stack implementation (i.e., IPP Server in your first diagram) =
that would front end the service instances. Each service instance would =
be referenced by its unique URL (e.g., same URI Scheme, hostname and =
port, different paths)&nbsp; Implementers are free to do things =
differently but I assume the intent of the IPP specification would be to =
multiplex all the IPP Services over a single port (i.e., =
631)<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I agree that we could have used =
generic verbs but once we finished print we were stuck with the names of =
the verb.&nbsp; Since IPP uses an enumeration we can reuse the =
enumeration across the services.&nbsp; In the semantic model the =
operation does not really identify the service type.&nbsp; The Service =
URL identifies the service type.&nbsp; The operation names are simply =
service specific aliases for a common semantic operation.&nbsp; We could =
have opted for a generic name but we went with a naming convention =
instead.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Pete<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);">&nbsp;</span></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"font-family: Impact, sans-serif; color: navy;">Peter =
Zehler</span><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);"><br><br></span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Tahoma, sans-serif; color: navy;">Xerox Research Center =
Webster<br></span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif; color: navy;">Email:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;">Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com</a></span><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><br></span><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy;">Voice: (585) =
265-8755</span><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><br></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: =
navy;">FAX: (585) 265-7441</span><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);"><br></span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif; color: navy;">US Mail: Peter Zehler</span><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><br></span><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy;">Xerox =
Corp.</span><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><br></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: =
navy;">800 Phillips Rd.</span><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);"><br></span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif; color: navy;">M/S 128-25E</span><span style=3D"color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);"><br></span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy;">Webster NY, =
14580-9701</span><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);">&nbsp;</span></div><div><div style=3D"border-style: solid none =
none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; =
padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[<a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;">mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b>On Behalf Of<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>William A =
Wagner<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Thursday, January 09, 2014 =
12:57 PM<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline;">ipp@pwg.org</a>; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion =
list'<br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[IPP] =
Models<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I&nbsp; am =
unclear on a Semantic Model configuration issue, which also may relate =
to IPP multifunction. The Semantic Model assumes that =
&nbsp;communication is from client to service. &nbsp;But in our =
operations, we identify the Service (e.g., CancelFaxInJob), which should =
not be necessary if the operation is directed to the service. &nbsp;On =
the other hand, depending &nbsp;upon where you want to put the transport =
address boundary, it is reasonable to think of operations being directed =
to the MFD, which corresponds to the System, in which case the service =
should be identified. Of course, this is inadequate if there are =
multiple services of a given type in the same system. Bottom line, =
should operations identify the Service type?<o:p></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">With =
respect to IPP, should the multi service configuration look like A or B =
below? (or perhaps something else entirely?) Again, the modeling =
question is whether the service&nbsp; identification is included in the =
operation.<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span>&lt;image001.jpg&gt;</span><span>&lt;image002.jpg&gt;</=
span><o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">IPP Multifunction =
A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; IPP Multifunction B<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Bill =
Wagner<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div>________________________________=
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Considering the schedule until the February meeting, I assume:

Jan 13    IPP at 3 PM EST

Jan 20  Cloud at 3 PM EST (??)

Jan 27  IPP & Cloud  PP review at 3 PM

I am unsure whether the Cloud call on 20 Jan will take two hours --- we will
be looking at a rework of the spec but if we hit a conceptual change again,
it may be a very short call.  I suggest that  the PP review in 27 Jan will
not take 2 hours, so that some time would be available for IPP Scan.

 

However, I would be free on Monday 20 January, although it is a Holiday (MLK
Day) and could probably make  Wed 22 Jan 1-3pm. I am not available on
Tuesday or earlier on Wednesday.

On the other hand, although some work can be done during conference calls,
attendance at the F2F is much higher than at periodic conference calls and I
think that IPP Scan deserves the higher participation of review during a
F2F.

Bill Wagner

 

 

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira
McDonald
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 11:13 AM
To: Zehler, Peter; Ira McDonald
Cc: IPP@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] When will next IPP Scan spec review be held?

 

Hi Pete,

I would be happy to participate in an extra IPP Scan Service review call in
the week of 20-24 January.

Possible times that would work for me are:

Mon 20 Jan 10am-12pm

Tue 21 Jan 1-3pm

Wed 22 Jan 1-3pm

All - please respond ASAP, so we can confirm at IPP meeting on 13 January.

Cheers,

- Ira

 

 




Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
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On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com>
wrote:

All,

I will be unavailable on Monday 1/13.  Given the IPP groups full plate I
suggest we defer discussion on the scan specification until Monday 1/27.  I
would be interested in having an IPP Scan specific concall the week of the
20th if we have any interested parties and can find a time.    At this time
my schedule is fairly open.  Anyone interested in getting the IPP Scan
completed?

Pete

 

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
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FAX: (585) 265-7441 <tel:%28585%29%20265-7441> 
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D'>Considering the schedule until the February meeting, I =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Jan 13&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; IPP at 3 PM EST<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Jan 20&nbsp; Cloud at 3 PM EST (??)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Jan 27&nbsp; IPP &amp; Cloud&nbsp; PP review at 3 =
PM<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I am unsure whether the Cloud call on 20 Jan will take two hours --- =
we will be looking at a rework of the spec but if we hit a conceptual =
change again, it may be a very short call. &nbsp;I suggest that&nbsp; =
the PP review in 27 Jan will not take 2 hours, so that some time would =
be available for IPP Scan.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>However, I would be free on Monday 20 January, although it is a =
Holiday (MLK Day) and could probably make &nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Wed 22 Jan =
1-3pm. I am not available on Tuesday or earlier on =
Wednesday.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>On the =
other hand, although some work can be done during conference calls, =
&nbsp;attendance at the F2F is much higher than at periodic conference =
calls and I think that IPP Scan deserves the higher participation of =
review during a F2F.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Bill =
Wagner<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ira =
McDonald<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 10, 2014 11:13 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
Zehler, Peter; Ira McDonald<br><b>Cc:</b> IPP@pwg.org<br><b>Subject:</b> =
Re: [IPP] When will next IPP Scan spec review be =
held?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div=
><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hi =
Pete,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I would be happy to participate in an =
extra IPP Scan Service review call in<br>the week of 20-24 =
January.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Possible times that would work for me =
are:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Mon 20 Jan =
10am-12pm<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Tue 21 Jan =
1-3pm<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Wed 22 Jan 1-3pm<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>All - please respond =
ASAP, so we can confirm at IPP meeting on 13 =
January.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>- Ira<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Ira McDonald (Musician =
/ Software Architect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions =
WG<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO =
Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing =
Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>Blue =
Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a =
href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'>http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</span>=
</a><br><a href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:#6600CC'>http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</span><=
/a><br>mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>Winter&nbsp; 579 Park =
Place&nbsp; Saline, MI&nbsp; 48176&nbsp; 734-944-0094<br>Summer&nbsp; PO =
Box 221&nbsp; Grand Marais, MI 49839&nbsp; =
906-494-2434<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Zehler, Peter &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com" =
target=3D"_blank">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>All,<o:p></o=
:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I will be =
unavailable on Monday 1/13.&nbsp; Given the IPP groups full plate I =
suggest we defer discussion on the scan specification until Monday =
1/27.&nbsp; I would be interested in having an IPP Scan specific concall =
the week of the 20<sup>th</sup> if we have any interested parties and =
can find a time.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; At this time my schedule is fairly =
open.&nbsp; Anyone interested in getting the IPP Scan =
completed?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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Bill,
I don't think I'd object to eliminating the <service> term in defining oper=
ations (e.g., Create<service>Job) , in the SM3 document.  Even if they are =
 service-type specific I'd still try to keep the service name out of the op=
eration.
The caveat I have is that we introduced this naming convention in operation=
s and in attributes to get around the use of "print" in the names when they=
 turned out to be more general as we expanded the scope from Print to MFD.
Pete

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com<mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com>
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701


From: William A Wagner [mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 12:02 PM
To: Zehler, Peter; ipp@pwg.org; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion li=
st'
Subject: RE: [IPP] Models

Pete,

The configuration of an " IPP Printer" being composed of an IPP Server and =
a Print Service follows the diagram in IPP SIX and, indeed, goes back to RF=
C 2911.  Furthermore, the "output device" was not considered part of the IP=
P Printer. We did not necessarily adhere to this configuration in the MFD m=
odel where we defined the Device as representing the hardware implementing =
the Service, prompting two distinct uses of the word "device". I think the =
point of separating the IPP Server and the Print Service  was that IPP just=
 defines the IPP interface to the IPP Printer but does not define the form =
or specifics of the Print Service (one could argue that the Semantic Model =
does). But the separation is convenient in considering IPP  multifunction s=
o that, as you suggest, there is a common IPP front end to potentially mult=
iple imaging services.

I am inclined, in the SM3 document, to eliminate the <service> term in defi=
ning operations (e.g., Create<service>Job), unless they are  service-type s=
pecific. The understanding would be that the specific service is in the add=
ress.  What is your opinion in this?

Thanks,
Bill Wagner

From: Zehler, Peter [mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com]
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 9:06 AM
To: William A Wagner; ipp@pwg.org<mailto:ipp@pwg.org>; 'Semantic Model 3.0 =
Workgroup discussion list'
Subject: RE: [IPP] Models

Bill,

I'm a little confused on what you have labeled as an IPP Server and IPP Pri=
nter.  My view is that an IPP Server is what you have labeled as IPP Printe=
r.  It contains the required protocol stacks, resources and service instanc=
es.  I have always understood an IPP Printer to be an instance of a Print S=
ervice.  This would map to a Virtual Printer in ISO 10175 DPA.

I have assumed that there would be a single IPP stack implementation (i.e.,=
 IPP Server in your first diagram) that would front end the service instanc=
es. Each service instance would be referenced by its unique URL (e.g., same=
 URI Scheme, hostname and port, different paths)  Implementers are free to =
do things differently but I assume the intent of the IPP specification woul=
d be to multiplex all the IPP Services over a single port (i.e., 631)

I agree that we could have used generic verbs but once we finished print we=
 were stuck with the names of the verb.  Since IPP uses an enumeration we c=
an reuse the enumeration across the services.  In the semantic model the op=
eration does not really identify the service type.  The Service URL identif=
ies the service type.  The operation names are simply service specific alia=
ses for a common semantic operation.  We could have opted for a generic nam=
e but we went with a naming convention instead.

Pete

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com<mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com>
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701


From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org<mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org> [mailto:ipp-bounces@p=
wg.org] On Behalf Of William A Wagner
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:57 PM
To: ipp@pwg.org<mailto:ipp@pwg.org>; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussi=
on list'
Subject: [IPP] Models

I  am unclear on a Semantic Model configuration issue, which also may relat=
e to IPP multifunction. The Semantic Model assumes that  communication is f=
rom client to service.  But in our operations, we identify the Service (e.g=
., CancelFaxInJob), which should not be necessary if the operation is direc=
ted to the service.  On the other hand, depending  upon where you want to p=
ut the transport address boundary, it is reasonable to think of operations =
being directed to the MFD, which corresponds to the System, in which case t=
he service should be identified. Of course, this is inadequate if there are=
 multiple services of a given type in the same system. Bottom line, should =
operations identify the Service type?

With respect to IPP, should the multi service configuration look like A or =
B below? (or perhaps something else entirely?) Again, the modeling question=
 is whether the service  identification is included in the operation.
[IPP Printer A.jpg][IPP Printer B.jpg]
IPP Multifunction A                                                        =
                                                                           =
                                                      IPP Multifunction B

Thanks,
Bill Wagner



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D"><br>
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</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot=
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A Wagner [mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 10, 2014 12:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Zehler, Peter; ipp@pwg.org; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discus=
sion list'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [IPP] Models<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Pete,<o:p></o:p></span=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">The configuration of a=
n &#8220; IPP Printer&#8221; being composed of an IPP Server and a Print Se=
rvice follows the diagram in IPP SIX and, indeed, goes back to RFC 2911. &n=
bsp;Furthermore, the &#8220;output device&#8221; was not considered
 part of the IPP Printer. We did not necessarily adhere to this configurati=
on in the MFD model where we defined the Device as representing the hardwar=
e implementing the Service, prompting two distinct uses of the word &#8220;=
device&#8221;. I think the point of separating
 the IPP Server and the Print Service &nbsp;was that IPP just defines the I=
PP interface to the IPP Printer but does not define the form or specifics o=
f the Print Service (one could argue that the Semantic Model does). But the=
 separation is convenient in considering
 IPP &nbsp;multifunction so that, as you suggest, there is a common IPP fro=
nt end to potentially multiple imaging services.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I am inclined, in the =
SM3 document, to eliminate the &lt;service&gt; term in defining operations =
(e.g., Create&lt;service&gt;Job), unless they are &nbsp;service-type specif=
ic. The understanding would be that the specific service
 is in the address. &nbsp;What is your opinion in this?<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Bill Wagner<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
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n></p>
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;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Zehler, =
Peter [<a href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com">mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.=
com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 10, 2014 9:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> William A Wagner; <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a>=
; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [IPP] Models<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Bill,<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I&#8217;m a little con=
fused on what you have labeled as an IPP Server and IPP Printer.&nbsp; My v=
iew is that an IPP Server is what you have labeled as IPP Printer.&nbsp; It=
 contains the required protocol stacks, resources and
 service instances.&nbsp; I have always understood an IPP Printer to be an =
instance of a Print Service.&nbsp; This would map to a Virtual Printer in I=
SO 10175 DPA.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I have assumed that th=
ere would be a single IPP stack implementation (i.e., IPP Server in your fi=
rst diagram) that would front end the service instances. Each service insta=
nce would be referenced by its unique
 URL (e.g., same URI Scheme, hostname and port, different paths)&nbsp; Impl=
ementers are free to do things differently but I assume the intent of the I=
PP specification would be to multiplex all the IPP Services over a single p=
ort (i.e., 631)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I agree that we could =
have used generic verbs but once we finished print we were stuck with the n=
ames of the verb.&nbsp; Since IPP uses an enumeration we can reuse the enum=
eration across the services.&nbsp; In the semantic
 model the operation does not really identify the service type.&nbsp; The S=
ervice URL identifies the service type.&nbsp; The operation names are simpl=
y service specific aliases for a common semantic operation.&nbsp; We could =
have opted for a generic name but we went with
 a naming convention instead.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Pete<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
<a href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a> [<a href=3D"=
mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>William A Wagner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a>; 'Semantic Model =
3.0 Workgroup discussion list'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [IPP] Models<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I&nbsp; am unclear on a Semantic Model configuration=
 issue, which also may relate to IPP multifunction. The Semantic Model assu=
mes that &nbsp;communication is from client to service. &nbsp;But in our op=
erations, we identify the Service (e.g., CancelFaxInJob),
 which should not be necessary if the operation is directed to the service.=
 &nbsp;On the other hand, depending &nbsp;upon where you want to put the tr=
ansport address boundary, it is reasonable to think of operations being dir=
ected to the MFD, which corresponds to the
 System, in which case the service should be identified. Of course, this is=
 inadequate if there are multiple services of a given type in the same syst=
em. Bottom line, should operations identify the Service type?<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">With respect to IPP, should the multi service config=
uration look like A or B below? (or perhaps something else entirely?) Again=
, the modeling question is whether the service&nbsp; identification is incl=
uded in the operation.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><img border=3D"0" width=3D"521" height=3D"431" id=3D=
"Picture_x0020_0" src=3D"cid:image001.jpg@01CF0E04.8B47CBB0" alt=3D"IPP Pri=
nter A.jpg"><img border=3D"0" width=3D"526" height=3D"435" id=3D"Picture_x0=
020_3" src=3D"cid:image002.jpg@01CF0E04.8B47CBB0" alt=3D"IPP Printer B.jpg"=
><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">IPP Multifunction A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; IPP Multifunction B<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bill Wagner<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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Smith,

When I say "The Service URL identifies the service type" I mean that the UR=
L is the transport endpoint for s service instance.  The path segment of th=
e URL is not necessarily fixed for a service type.  A URL such as <ipp://so=
memfd.example.com//ipp/appletree>  could just as easily be an IPP Printer a=
s it could be IPP Scan.  The discovery protocols or directory entries would=
 map the service instance to the URL.  The most common deployment will prob=
ably be a single instance of a service for a server (e.g., an MFD offering =
a single print service, a single scan service and a single faxout service).=
  I see no problem with various environments (e.g., WiFi Alliance, Mopria) =
mandating a best practice that would fix the path segment for the URL.

I had never thought about it before but the IPP model does not really have =
an service status attribute that self describes its service type.  I would =
agree that it seems that inspection of the "ipp-features-supported" is the =
way that one knows what service "type" is at a particular resource path.  (=
I had always assumed the Client would already know what type of service the=
y require and would discover only those endpoints of the appropriate servic=
e type.)

Pete

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com<mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com>
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
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800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701


From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Kennedy=
, Smith (Wireless Architect)
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 12:20 PM
To: Zehler, Peter; William A Wagner; <ipp@pwg.org>; Semantic Model 3.0 Work=
group discussion list
Subject: Re: [IPP] Models

Greetings,

For what it is worth, Pete's description mirrors my own perception of the I=
PP object relationship.  Graphically, this is how I understand the relation=
ship between the "Printer objects" and the "server" to exist, at least in t=
erms of IPP:

[cid:image001.png@01CF0E03.55552D50]

Pete, when you say "The Service URL identifies the service type", do you me=
an that the resource path in a URL defines the service type?  If so, I'm no=
t sure that is guaranteed to be true.  For instance "ipp://myhost.pwg.org/i=
pp/fax" could be "Fax" but could be anything.  PWG 5100.15 says that an IPP=
 FaxOut service MUST be at /ipp/fax but nothing prevents a single-function =
printer from having a conventional "Print" service at "/ipp/fax".  It seems=
 that inspection of the "ipp-features-supported" is the way that one knows =
what service "type" is at a particular resource path.

Smith

/**
    Smith Kennedy
    ATB Wireless Architect - PPS
    Hewlett-Packard Co.
*/


On 2014-01-10, at 7:06 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com<mailto:Pet=
er.Zehler@xerox.com>> wrote:


Bill,

I'm a little confused on what you have labeled as an IPP Server and IPP Pri=
nter.  My view is that an IPP Server is what you have labeled as IPP Printe=
r.  It contains the required protocol stacks, resources and service instanc=
es.  I have always understood an IPP Printer to be an instance of a Print S=
ervice.  This would map to a Virtual Printer in ISO 10175 DPA.

I have assumed that there would be a single IPP stack implementation (i.e.,=
 IPP Server in your first diagram) that would front end the service instanc=
es. Each service instance would be referenced by its unique URL (e.g., same=
 URI Scheme, hostname and port, different paths)  Implementers are free to =
do things differently but I assume the intent of the IPP specification woul=
d be to multiplex all the IPP Services over a single port (i.e., 631)

I agree that we could have used generic verbs but once we finished print we=
 were stuck with the names of the verb.  Since IPP uses an enumeration we c=
an reuse the enumeration across the services.  In the semantic model the op=
eration does not really identify the service type.  The Service URL identif=
ies the service type.  The operation names are simply service specific alia=
ses for a common semantic operation.  We could have opted for a generic nam=
e but we went with a naming convention instead.

Pete

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com<mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com>
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701


From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org<mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org> [mailto:ipp-bounces@p=
wg.org] On Behalf Of William A Wagner
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:57 PM
To: ipp@pwg.org<mailto:ipp@pwg.org>; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussi=
on list'
Subject: [IPP] Models

I  am unclear on a Semantic Model configuration issue, which also may relat=
e to IPP multifunction. The Semantic Model assumes that  communication is f=
rom client to service.  But in our operations, we identify the Service (e.g=
., CancelFaxInJob), which should not be necessary if the operation is direc=
ted to the service.  On the other hand, depending  upon where you want to p=
ut the transport address boundary, it is reasonable to think of operations =
being directed to the MFD, which corresponds to the System, in which case t=
he service should be identified. Of course, this is inadequate if there are=
 multiple services of a given type in the same system. Bottom line, should =
operations identify the Service type?

With respect to IPP, should the multi service configuration look like A or =
B below? (or perhaps something else entirely?) Again, the modeling question=
 is whether the service  identification is included in the operation.
<image001.jpg><image002.jpg>
IPP Multifunction A                                                        =
                                                                           =
                                                      IPP Multifunction B

Thanks,
Bill Wagner


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ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">When I say
</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
>&#8220;The Service URL identifies the service type&#8221; I mean that the =
URL is the transport endpoint for s service instance.&nbsp; The path segmen=
t of the URL is not necessarily fixed for a service type.&nbsp; A URL such =
as
 &lt;ipp://somemfd.example.com//ipp/appletree&gt;&nbsp; could just as easil=
y be an IPP Printer as it could be IPP Scan.&nbsp; The discovery protocols =
or directory entries would map the service instance to the URL.&nbsp; The m=
ost common deployment will probably be a single instance
 of a service for a server (e.g., an MFD offering a single print service, a=
 single scan service and a single faxout service).&nbsp; I see no problem w=
ith various environments (e.g., WiFi Alliance, Mopria) mandating a best pra=
ctice that would fix the path segment
 for the URL.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;s=
ans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;s=
ans-serif&quot;">I had never thought about it before but the IPP model does=
 not really have an service status attribute that self describes its servic=
e type.&nbsp; I would agree that it seems that inspection of
 the &#8220;ipp-features-supported&#8221; is the way that one knows what se=
rvice &#8220;type&#8221; is at a particular resource path.&nbsp; (I had alw=
ays assumed the Client would already know what type of service they require=
 and would discover only those endpoints of the appropriate service
 type.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;s=
ans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;s=
ans-serif&quot;">Pete</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&qu=
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</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Xerox Research Center Webster<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ipp-boun=
ces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 10, 2014 12:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Zehler, Peter; William A Wagner; &lt;ipp@pwg.org&gt;; Semantic M=
odel 3.0 Workgroup discussion list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] Models<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Greetings,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">For what it is worth, Pete&#8217;s description mirro=
rs my own perception of the IPP object relationship. &nbsp;Graphically, thi=
s is how I understand the relationship between the &#8220;Printer objects&#=
8221; and the &#8220;server&#8221; to exist, at least in terms of IPP:<o:p>=
</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><img border=3D"0" width=3D"443" height=3D"364" id=3D=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pete, when you say &#8220;The Service URL identifies=
 the service type&#8221;, do you mean that the resource path in a URL defin=
es the service type? &nbsp;If so, I&#8217;m not sure that is guaranteed to =
be true. &nbsp;For instance &#8220;<a href=3D"ipp://myhost.pwg.org/ipp/fax&=
#8221;">ipp://myhost.pwg.org/ipp/fax&#8221;</a>
 could be &#8220;Fax&#8221; but could be anything. &nbsp;PWG 5100.15 says t=
hat an IPP FaxOut service MUST be at /ipp/fax but nothing prevents a single=
-function printer from having a conventional &#8220;Print&#8221; service at=
 &#8220;/ipp/fax&#8221;. &nbsp;It seems that inspection of the &#8220;ipp-f=
eatures-supported&#8221;
 is the way that one knows what service &#8220;type&#8221; is at a particul=
ar resource path.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Smith<br>
<br>
/**<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Smith Kennedy<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; ATB Wireless Architect - PPS<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Hewlett-Packard Co.<br>
*/<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 2014-01-10, at 7:06 AM, Zehler, Peter &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:=
p></o:p></p>
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<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Bill,</span><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;=
"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;=
"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I&#8217;m a little confus=
ed on what you have labeled as an IPP Server and IPP Printer.&nbsp; My view=
 is that an IPP Server is what you have labeled as IPP Printer.&nbsp; It
 contains the required protocol stacks, resources and service instances.&nb=
sp; I have always understood an IPP Printer to be an instance of a Print Se=
rvice.&nbsp; This would map to a Virtual Printer in ISO 10175 DPA.</span><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;=
"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I have assumed that there=
 would be a single IPP stack implementation (i.e., IPP Server in your first=
 diagram) that would front end the service instances. Each
 service instance would be referenced by its unique URL (e.g., same URI Sch=
eme, hostname and port, different paths)&nbsp; Implementers are free to do =
things differently but I assume the intent of the IPP specification would b=
e to multiplex all the IPP Services over
 a single port (i.e., 631)</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-famil=
y:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;=
"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I agree that we could hav=
e used generic verbs but once we finished print we were stuck with the name=
s of the verb.&nbsp; Since IPP uses an enumeration we can reuse
 the enumeration across the services.&nbsp; In the semantic model the opera=
tion does not really identify the service type.&nbsp; The Service URL ident=
ifies the service type.&nbsp; The operation names are simply service specif=
ic aliases for a common semantic operation.&nbsp; We
 could have opted for a generic name but we went with a naming convention i=
nstead.</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quo=
t;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Pete</span><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Im=
pact&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Peter Zehler</span><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:#1F497D"><br>
<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Xerox Research Center Webster<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Email:<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&n=
bsp;</span><a href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com"><span style=3D"color:p=
urple">Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com</span></a></span><span style=3D"font-size:11.=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span class=3D"apple-=
converted-space"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&q=
uot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><a href=3D"mai=
lto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org"><span style=3D"color:purple">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</=
span></a><span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[<a href=3D"mai=
lto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org"><span style=3D"color:purple">mailto:ipp-bounces@pw=
g.org</span></a>]<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b>On
 Behalf Of<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>William A =
Wagner<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Thursday, Ja=
nuary 09, 2014 12:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a href=3D"mai=
lto:ipp@pwg.org"><span style=3D"color:purple">ipp@pwg.org</span></a>; 'Sema=
ntic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list'<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[IPP] Mod=
els</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&=
quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">I&nbsp; am unclear on a Semantic Model =
configuration issue, which also may relate to IPP multifunction. The Semant=
ic Model assumes that &nbsp;communication is from client to service.
 &nbsp;But in our operations, we identify the Service (e.g., CancelFaxInJob=
), which should not be necessary if the operation is directed to the servic=
e. &nbsp;On the other hand, depending &nbsp;upon where you want to put the =
transport address boundary, it is reasonable to
 think of operations being directed to the MFD, which corresponds to the Sy=
stem, in which case the service should be identified. Of course, this is in=
adequate if there are multiple services of a given type in the same system.=
 Bottom line, should operations
 identify the Service type?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">With respect to IPP, should the multi s=
ervice configuration look like A or B below? (or perhaps something else ent=
irely?) Again, the modeling question is whether the service&nbsp;
 identification is included in the operation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&lt;image001.jpg&gt;&lt;image002.jpg&gt=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">IPP Multifunction A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
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 IPP Multifunction B<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Bill Wagner<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Hi Bill,

 

I had a recent discussion with Pete about how the Semantic Model handles
vendor extensions for scanning attributes and during the discussion I asked
him how the forthcoming IPP Scan specification intersected with Twain. He
told me that Twain was the application interface to a network attached
scanner and that currently most scanner vendors then have to develop a
proprietary driver and network protocol to transfer a file created by a scan
operation to a network defined location (I believe this is correct for Scan
to Cloud as well).

 

The role that IPP Scan could potentially play in this scenario would be to
replace the requirement for the proprietary driver and transfer protocol.

 

I therefore hope that we can find an available time slot for an IPP Scan
teleconference this month, in order to move the specification forward, prior
to the February F2F.

 

Thanks.

 

Best Regards,

 

/Paul

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From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of William
A Wagner
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 12:22 PM
To: 'Ira McDonald'; 'Zehler, Peter'
Cc: IPP@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] When will next IPP Scan spec review be held?

 

Considering the schedule until the February meeting, I assume:

Jan 13    IPP at 3 PM EST

Jan 20  Cloud at 3 PM EST (??)

Jan 27  IPP & Cloud  PP review at 3 PM

I am unsure whether the Cloud call on 20 Jan will take two hours --- we will
be looking at a rework of the spec but if we hit a conceptual change again,
it may be a very short call.  I suggest that  the PP review in 27 Jan will
not take 2 hours, so that some time would be available for IPP Scan.

 

However, I would be free on Monday 20 January, although it is a Holiday (MLK
Day) and could probably make  Wed 22 Jan 1-3pm. I am not available on
Tuesday or earlier on Wednesday.

On the other hand, although some work can be done during conference calls,
attendance at the F2F is much higher than at periodic conference calls and I
think that IPP Scan deserves the higher participation of review during a
F2F.

Bill Wagner

 

 

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira
McDonald
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 11:13 AM
To: Zehler, Peter; Ira McDonald
Cc: IPP@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] When will next IPP Scan spec review be held?

 

Hi Pete,

I would be happy to participate in an extra IPP Scan Service review call in
the week of 20-24 January.

Possible times that would work for me are:

Mon 20 Jan 10am-12pm

Tue 21 Jan 1-3pm

Wed 22 Jan 1-3pm

All - please respond ASAP, so we can confirm at IPP meeting on 13 January.

Cheers,

- Ira

 

 




Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
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On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com>
wrote:

All,

I will be unavailable on Monday 1/13.  Given the IPP groups full plate I
suggest we defer discussion on the scan specification until Monday 1/27.  I
would be interested in having an IPP Scan specific concall the week of the
20th if we have any interested parties and can find a time.    At this time
my schedule is fairly open.  Anyone interested in getting the IPP Scan
completed?

Pete

 

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755 <tel:%28585%29%20265-8755> 
FAX: (585) 265-7441 <tel:%28585%29%20265-7441> 
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701 

 

 


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=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jan =
20&nbsp; Cloud at 3 PM EST (??)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F=
497D'>Jan 27&nbsp; IPP &amp; Cloud&nbsp; PP review at 3 PM<o:p></o:p></span=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I am unsure whether the Cloud call on 20 J=
an will take two hours --- we will be looking at a rework of the spec but i=
f we hit a conceptual change again, it may be a very short call. &nbsp;I su=
ggest that&nbsp; the PP review in 27 Jan will not take 2 hours, so that som=
e time would be available for IPP Scan.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMso=
Normal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";c=
olor:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mar=
gin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","s=
ans-serif";color:#1F497D'>However, I would be free on Monday 20 January, al=
though it is a Holiday (MLK Day) and could probably make &nbsp;</span><span=
 style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Wed 22 Jan 1=
-3pm. I am not available on Tuesday or earlier on Wednesday.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>On the other hand, alth=
ough some work can be done during conference calls, &nbsp;attendance at the=
 F2F is much higher than at periodic conference calls and I think that IPP =
Scan deserves the higher participation of review during a F2F.<o:p></o:p></=
span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D=
'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Bill Wagner<o:p></o:p=
></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-s=
erif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div style=3D'border:none;=
border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>F=
rom:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-s=
erif"'> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a> [<a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a>] <b>On B=
ehalf Of </b>Ira McDonald<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 10, 2014 11:13 AM=
<br><b>To:</b> Zehler, Peter; Ira McDonald<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:=
IPP@pwg.org">IPP@pwg.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] When will next IP=
P Scan spec review be held?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hi Pete,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I would be happy to parti=
cipate in an extra IPP Scan Service review call in<br>the week of 20-24 Jan=
uary.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0p=
t'>Possible times that would work for me are:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>Mon 20 Jan 10am-12pm<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
Tue 21 Jan 1-3pm<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-b=
ottom:12.0pt'>Wed 22 Jan 1-3pm<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal sty=
le=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>All - please respond ASAP, so we can confirm at=
 IPP meeting on 13 January.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers=
,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>-=
 Ira<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Archi=
tect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux Foun=
dation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>C=
o-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Ex=
pert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a href=
=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target=3D"_blank"><span sty=
le=3D'color:#3333FF'>http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</span></a><=
br><a href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" target=3D"_blank">=
<span style=3D'color:#6600CC'>http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</sp=
an></a><br>mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>Winter&nbsp; 579 Park Place&nbsp; Salin=
e, MI&nbsp; 48176&nbsp; 734-944-0094<br>Summer&nbsp; PO Box 221&nbsp; Grand=
 Marais, MI 49839&nbsp; 906-494-2434<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DM=
soNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Zehler, Peter &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com" target=3D"_blank">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>=
&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margi=
n-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>All,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMs=
oNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I will=
 be unavailable on Monday 1/13.&nbsp; Given the IPP groups full plate I sug=
gest we defer discussion on the scan specification until Monday 1/27.&nbsp;=
 I would be interested in having an IPP Scan specific concall the week of t=
he 20<sup>th</sup> if we have any interested parties and can find a time.&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; At this time my schedule is fairly open.&nbsp; Anyone inte=
rested in getting the IPP Scan completed?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Pete<o:p></o=
:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bot=
tom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin=
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'><br><br></span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans=
-serif";color:navy'>Xerox Research Center Webster<br></span><span style=3D'=
font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Email: <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com" target=3D"_blank">Peter.Zehler@Xerox.co=
m</a></span><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style=3D'font-si=
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l:%28585%29%20265-8755" target=3D"_blank">(585) 265-8755</a></span><span st=
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Pete,

I think one of the attributes we'll be adding as we tackle multifunction =
will be a printer-service-type (or something like that) attribute that =
identifies the service type.  I don't think ipp-features-supported is =
necessarily a good fit (I see great chances of confusion there...)


On Jan 10, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com> =
wrote:

> Smith,
> =20
> When I say =93The Service URL identifies the service type=94 I mean =
that the URL is the transport endpoint for s service instance.  The path =
segment of the URL is not necessarily fixed for a service type.  A URL =
such as <ipp://somemfd.example.com//ipp/appletree>  could just as easily =
be an IPP Printer as it could be IPP Scan.  The discovery protocols or =
directory entries would map the service instance to the URL.  The most =
common deployment will probably be a single instance of a service for a =
server (e.g., an MFD offering a single print service, a single scan =
service and a single faxout service).  I see no problem with various =
environments (e.g., WiFi Alliance, Mopria) mandating a best practice =
that would fix the path segment  for the URL.
> =20
> I had never thought about it before but the IPP model does not really =
have an service status attribute that self describes its service type.  =
I would agree that it seems that inspection of the =
=93ipp-features-supported=94 is the way that one knows what service =
=93type=94 is at a particular resource path.  (I had always assumed the =
Client would already know what type of service they require and would =
discover only those endpoints of the appropriate service type.)
> =20
> Pete
> =20
> Peter Zehler
>=20
> Xerox Research Center Webster
> Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
> Voice: (585) 265-8755
> FAX: (585) 265-7441
> US Mail: Peter Zehler
> Xerox Corp.
> 800 Phillips Rd.
> M/S 128-25E
> Webster NY, 14580-9701
> =20
> =20
> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of =
Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect)
> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 12:20 PM
> To: Zehler, Peter; William A Wagner; <ipp@pwg.org>; Semantic Model 3.0 =
Workgroup discussion list
> Subject: Re: [IPP] Models
> =20
> Greetings,
> =20
> For what it is worth, Pete=92s description mirrors my own perception =
of the IPP object relationship.  Graphically, this is how I understand =
the relationship between the =93Printer objects=94 and the =93server=94 =
to exist, at least in terms of IPP:
> =20
> <image001.png>
> =20
> Pete, when you say =93The Service URL identifies the service type=94, =
do you mean that the resource path in a URL defines the service type?  =
If so, I=92m not sure that is guaranteed to be true.  For instance =
=93ipp://myhost.pwg.org/ipp/fax=94 could be =93Fax=94 but could be =
anything.  PWG 5100.15 says that an IPP FaxOut service MUST be at =
/ipp/fax but nothing prevents a single-function printer from having a =
conventional =93Print=94 service at =93/ipp/fax=94.  It seems that =
inspection of the =93ipp-features-supported=94 is the way that one knows =
what service =93type=94 is at a particular resource path.
> =20
> Smith
>=20
> /**
>     Smith Kennedy
>     ATB Wireless Architect - PPS
>     Hewlett-Packard Co.
> */
>=20
>=20
> =20
> On 2014-01-10, at 7:06 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com> =
wrote:
>=20
>=20
> Bill,
> =20
> I=92m a little confused on what you have labeled as an IPP Server and =
IPP Printer.  My view is that an IPP Server is what you have labeled as =
IPP Printer.  It contains the required protocol stacks, resources and =
service instances.  I have always understood an IPP Printer to be an =
instance of a Print Service.  This would map to a Virtual Printer in ISO =
10175 DPA.
> =20
> I have assumed that there would be a single IPP stack implementation =
(i.e., IPP Server in your first diagram) that would front end the =
service instances. Each service instance would be referenced by its =
unique URL (e.g., same URI Scheme, hostname and port, different paths)  =
Implementers are free to do things differently but I assume the intent =
of the IPP specification would be to multiplex all the IPP Services over =
a single port (i.e., 631)
> =20
> I agree that we could have used generic verbs but once we finished =
print we were stuck with the names of the verb.  Since IPP uses an =
enumeration we can reuse the enumeration across the services.  In the =
semantic model the operation does not really identify the service type.  =
The Service URL identifies the service type.  The operation names are =
simply service specific aliases for a common semantic operation.  We =
could have opted for a generic name but we went with a naming convention =
instead.
> =20
> Pete
> =20
> Peter Zehler
>=20
> Xerox Research Center Webster
> Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
> Voice: (585) 265-8755
> FAX: (585) 265-7441
> US Mail: Peter Zehler
> Xerox Corp.
> 800 Phillips Rd.
> M/S 128-25E
> Webster NY, 14580-9701
> =20
> =20
> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of =
William A Wagner
> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:57 PM
> To: ipp@pwg.org; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list'
> Subject: [IPP] Models
> =20
> I  am unclear on a Semantic Model configuration issue, which also may =
relate to IPP multifunction. The Semantic Model assumes that  =
communication is from client to service.  But in our operations, we =
identify the Service (e.g., CancelFaxInJob), which should not be =
necessary if the operation is directed to the service.  On the other =
hand, depending  upon where you want to put the transport address =
boundary, it is reasonable to think of operations being directed to the =
MFD, which corresponds to the System, in which case the service should =
be identified. Of course, this is inadequate if there are multiple =
services of a given type in the same system. Bottom line, should =
operations identify the Service type?
> =20
> With respect to IPP, should the multi service configuration look like =
A or B below? (or perhaps something else entirely?) Again, the modeling =
question is whether the service  identification is included in the =
operation.
> <image001.jpg><image002.jpg>
> IPP Multifunction A                                                    =
                                                                         =
                                                             IPP =
Multifunction B
> =20
> Thanks,
> Bill Wagner
> =20
> =20
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after-white-space;">Pete,<div><br></div><div>I think one of the =
attributes we'll be adding as we tackle multifunction will be a =
printer-service-type (or something like that) attribute that identifies =
the service type. &nbsp;I don't think ipp-features-supported is =
necessarily a good fit (I see great chances of confusion =
there...)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On Jan 10, =
2014, at 1:18 PM, Zehler, Peter &lt;<a =
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uot;">Smith,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;">&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;">When I say
</span><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=93The =
Service URL identifies the service type=94 I mean that the URL is the =
transport endpoint for s service instance.&nbsp; The path segment of the =
URL is not necessarily fixed for a service type.&nbsp; A URL such as
 &lt;<a =
href=3D"ipp://somemfd.example.com//ipp/appletree">ipp://somemfd.example.co=
m//ipp/appletree</a>&gt;&nbsp; could just as easily be an IPP Printer as =
it could be IPP Scan.&nbsp; The discovery protocols or directory entries =
would map the service instance to the URL.&nbsp; The most common =
deployment will probably be a single instance
 of a service for a server (e.g., an MFD offering a single print =
service, a single scan service and a single faxout service).&nbsp; I see =
no problem with various environments (e.g., WiFi Alliance, Mopria) =
mandating a best practice that would fix the path segment
 for the URL.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">I had =
never thought about it before but the IPP model does not really have an =
service status attribute that self describes its service type.&nbsp; I =
would agree that it seems that inspection of
 the =93ipp-features-supported=94 is the way that one knows what service =
=93type=94 is at a particular resource path.&nbsp; (I had always assumed =
the Client would already know what type of service they require and =
would discover only those endpoints of the appropriate service
 type.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 10, 2014 12:20 PM<br>
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Workgroup discussion list<br>
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</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Greetings,<o:p></o:p></p>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">For what it is worth, Pete=92s description =
mirrors my own perception of the IPP object relationship. =
&nbsp;Graphically, this is how I understand the relationship between the =
=93Printer objects=94 and the =93server=94 to exist, at least in terms =
of IPP:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pete, when you say =93The Service URL =
identifies the service type=94, do you mean that the resource path in a =
URL defines the service type? &nbsp;If so, I=92m not sure that is =
guaranteed to be true. &nbsp;For instance =93<a =
href=3D"ipp://myhost.pwg.org/ipp/fax%E2%80%9D">ipp://myhost.pwg.org/ipp/fa=
x=94</a>
 could be =93Fax=94 but could be anything. &nbsp;PWG 5100.15 says that =
an IPP FaxOut service MUST be at /ipp/fax but nothing prevents a =
single-function printer from having a conventional =93Print=94 service =
at =93/ipp/fax=94. &nbsp;It seems that inspection of the =
=93ipp-features-supported=94
 is the way that one knows what service =93type=94 is at a particular =
resource path.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span =
style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Smith<br>
<br>
/**<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Smith Kennedy<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; ATB Wireless Architect - PPS<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Hewlett-Packard Co.<br>
*/<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 2014-01-10, at 7:06 AM, Zehler, Peter =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
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&quot;;color:#1F497D">Bill,</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span =
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&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;;color:#1F497D">I=92m a little confused on what you have labeled =
as an IPP Server and IPP Printer.&nbsp; My view is that an IPP Server is =
what you have labeled as IPP Printer.&nbsp; It
 contains the required protocol stacks, resources and service =
instances.&nbsp; I have always understood an IPP Printer to be an =
instance of a Print Service.&nbsp; This would map to a Virtual Printer =
in ISO 10175 DPA.</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span =
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&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;;color:#1F497D">I have assumed that there would be a single IPP =
stack implementation (i.e., IPP Server in your first diagram) that would =
front end the service instances. Each
 service instance would be referenced by its unique URL (e.g., same URI =
Scheme, hostname and port, different paths)&nbsp; Implementers are free =
to do things differently but I assume the intent of the IPP =
specification would be to multiplex all the IPP Services over
 a single port (i.e., 631)</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span =
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<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;;color:#1F497D">I agree that we could have used generic verbs but =
once we finished print we were stuck with the names of the verb.&nbsp; =
Since IPP uses an enumeration we can reuse
 the enumeration across the services.&nbsp; In the semantic model the =
operation does not really identify the service type.&nbsp; The Service =
URL identifies the service type.&nbsp; The operation names are simply =
service specific aliases for a common semantic operation.&nbsp; We
 could have opted for a generic name but we went with a naming =
convention instead.</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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&quot;">I&nbsp; am unclear on a Semantic Model configuration issue, =
which also may relate to IPP multifunction. The Semantic Model assumes =
that &nbsp;communication is from client to service.
 &nbsp;But in our operations, we identify the Service (e.g., =
CancelFaxInJob), which should not be necessary if the operation is =
directed to the service. &nbsp;On the other hand, depending &nbsp;upon =
where you want to put the transport address boundary, it is reasonable =
to
 think of operations being directed to the MFD, which corresponds to the =
System, in which case the service should be identified. Of course, this =
is inadequate if there are multiple services of a given type in the same =
system. Bottom line, should operations
 identify the Service type?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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&quot;">With respect to IPP, should the multi service configuration look =
like A or B below? (or perhaps something else entirely?) Again, the =
modeling question is whether the service&nbsp;
 identification is included in the operation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
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&quot;">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Bill,

The device isn't part of (as in embedded in) the Print Service in IPP, =
but there is an association between them.

A single IPP Server *might* be a front-end for multiple services or it =
might only handle a single server - that's an implementation choice.  =
The point in the IPP model is that the IPP Server is the protocol =
interface to the underlying service and device(s).


On Jan 10, 2014, at 12:02 PM, William A Wagner <wamwagner@comcast.net> =
wrote:

> Pete,
> =20
> The configuration of an =93 IPP Printer=94 being composed of an IPP =
Server and a Print Service follows the diagram in IPP SIX and, indeed, =
goes back to RFC 2911.  Furthermore, the =93output device=94 was not =
considered part of the IPP Printer. We did not necessarily adhere to =
this configuration in the MFD model where we defined the Device as =
representing the hardware implementing the Service, prompting two =
distinct uses of the word =93device=94. I think the point of separating =
the IPP Server and the Print Service  was that IPP just defines the IPP =
interface to the IPP Printer but does not define the form or specifics =
of the Print Service (one could argue that the Semantic Model does). But =
the separation is convenient in considering IPP  multifunction so that, =
as you suggest, there is a common IPP front end to potentially multiple =
imaging services.
> =20
> I am inclined, in the SM3 document, to eliminate the <service> term in =
defining operations (e.g., Create<service>Job), unless they are  =
service-type specific. The understanding would be that the specific =
service is in the address.  What is your opinion in this?
> =20
> Thanks,
> Bill Wagner
> =20
> From: Zehler, Peter [mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com]=20
> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 9:06 AM
> To: William A Wagner; ipp@pwg.org; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup =
discussion list'
> Subject: RE: [IPP] Models
> =20
> Bill,
> =20
> I=92m a little confused on what you have labeled as an IPP Server and =
IPP Printer.  My view is that an IPP Server is what you have labeled as =
IPP Printer.  It contains the required protocol stacks, resources and =
service instances.  I have always understood an IPP Printer to be an =
instance of a Print Service.  This would map to a Virtual Printer in ISO =
10175 DPA.
> =20
> I have assumed that there would be a single IPP stack implementation =
(i.e., IPP Server in your first diagram) that would front end the =
service instances. Each service instance would be referenced by its =
unique URL (e.g., same URI Scheme, hostname and port, different paths)  =
Implementers are free to do things differently but I assume the intent =
of the IPP specification would be to multiplex all the IPP Services over =
a single port (i.e., 631)
> =20
> I agree that we could have used generic verbs but once we finished =
print we were stuck with the names of the verb.  Since IPP uses an =
enumeration we can reuse the enumeration across the services.  In the =
semantic model the operation does not really identify the service type.  =
The Service URL identifies the service type.  The operation names are =
simply service specific aliases for a common semantic operation.  We =
could have opted for a generic name but we went with a naming convention =
instead.
> =20
> Pete
> =20
> Peter Zehler
>=20
> Xerox Research Center Webster
> Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
> Voice: (585) 265-8755
> FAX: (585) 265-7441
> US Mail: Peter Zehler
> Xerox Corp.
> 800 Phillips Rd.
> M/S 128-25E
> Webster NY, 14580-9701
> =20
> =20
> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of =
William A Wagner
> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:57 PM
> To: ipp@pwg.org; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list'
> Subject: [IPP] Models
> =20
> I  am unclear on a Semantic Model configuration issue, which also may =
relate to IPP multifunction. The Semantic Model assumes that  =
communication is from client to service.  But in our operations, we =
identify the Service (e.g., CancelFaxInJob), which should not be =
necessary if the operation is directed to the service.  On the other =
hand, depending  upon where you want to put the transport address =
boundary, it is reasonable to think of operations being directed to the =
MFD, which corresponds to the System, in which case the service should =
be identified. Of course, this is inadequate if there are multiple =
services of a given type in the same system. Bottom line, should =
operations identify the Service type?
> =20
> With respect to IPP, should the multi service configuration look like =
A or B below? (or perhaps something else entirely?) Again, the modeling =
question is whether the service  identification is included in the =
operation.
> <image001.jpg><image002.jpg>
> IPP Multifunction A                                                    =
                                                                         =
                                                            IPP =
Multifunction B
> =20
> Thanks,
> Bill Wagner
> =20
> =20
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(as in embedded in) the Print Service in IPP, but there is an =
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2911. &nbsp;Furthermore, the =93output device=94 was not considered part =
of the IPP Printer. We did not necessarily adhere to this configuration =
in the MFD model where we defined the Device as representing the =
hardware implementing the Service, prompting two distinct uses of the =
word =93device=94. I think the point of separating the IPP Server and =
the Print Service &nbsp;was that IPP just defines the IPP interface to =
the IPP Printer but does not define the form or specifics of the Print =
Service (one could argue that the Semantic Model does). But the =
separation is convenient in considering IPP &nbsp;multifunction so that, =
as you suggest, there is a common IPP front end to potentially multiple =
imaging services.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">I am inclined, in the SM3 document, to eliminate =
the &lt;service&gt; term in defining operations (e.g., =
Create&lt;service&gt;Job), unless they are &nbsp;service-type specific. =
The understanding would be that the specific service is in the address. =
&nbsp;What is your opinion in this?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Bill =
Wagner<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p><div><div =
style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;">From:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;"> Zehler, Peter [<a =
href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com">mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>] =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 10, 2014 9:06 AM<br><b>To:</b> William =
A Wagner; <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a>; 'Semantic =
Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [IPP] =
Models<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">Bill,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I=92m a little =
confused on what you have labeled as an IPP Server and IPP =
Printer.&nbsp; My view is that an IPP Server is what you have labeled as =
IPP Printer.&nbsp; It contains the required protocol stacks, resources =
and service instances.&nbsp; I have always understood an IPP Printer to =
be an instance of a Print Service.&nbsp; This would map to a Virtual =
Printer in ISO 10175 DPA.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I have assumed that =
there would be a single IPP stack implementation (i.e., IPP Server in =
your first diagram) that would front end the service instances. Each =
service instance would be referenced by its unique URL (e.g., same URI =
Scheme, hostname and port, different paths)&nbsp; Implementers are free =
to do things differently but I assume the intent of the IPP =
specification would be to multiplex all the IPP Services over a single =
port (i.e., 631)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">I agree that we could have used generic verbs =
but once we finished print we were stuck with the names of the =
verb.&nbsp; Since IPP uses an enumeration we can reuse the enumeration =
across the services.&nbsp; In the semantic model the operation does not =
really identify the service type.&nbsp; The Service URL identifies the =
service type.&nbsp; The operation names are simply service specific =
aliases for a common semantic operation.&nbsp; We could have opted for a =
generic name but we went with a naming convention =
instead.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">Pete<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p><div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Impact&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy"=
>Peter Zehler</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><br><br></span><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;;color:navy">Xerox Research Center Webster<br></span><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:navy">Email: <a =
href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com">Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com</a></span><s=
pan style=3D"color:#1F497D"><br></span><span =
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Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p></div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p><div><div =
style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;">From:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;"> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a> =
[<a href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a>] =
<b>On Behalf Of </b>William A Wagner<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January =
09, 2014 12:57 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a>; 'Semantic Model 3.0 =
Workgroup discussion list'<br><b>Subject:</b> [IPP] =
Models<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I&nbsp; =
am unclear on a Semantic Model configuration issue, which also may =
relate to IPP multifunction. The Semantic Model assumes that =
&nbsp;communication is from client to service. &nbsp;But in our =
operations, we identify the Service (e.g., CancelFaxInJob), which should =
not be necessary if the operation is directed to the service. &nbsp;On =
the other hand, depending &nbsp;upon where you want to put the transport =
address boundary, it is reasonable to think of operations being directed =
to the MFD, which corresponds to the System, in which case the service =
should be identified. Of course, this is inadequate if there are =
multiple services of a given type in the same system. Bottom line, =
should operations identify the Service type?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">With =
respect to IPP, should the multi service configuration look like A or B =
below? (or perhaps something else entirely?) Again, the modeling =
question is whether the service&nbsp; identification is included in the =
operation.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>&lt;image001.jpg&gt;</span><span>&lt;image002.jp=
g&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">IPP Multifunction =
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p;&nbsp;&nbsp; IPP Multifunction B<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bill =
Wagner<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
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Smith,

The IPP model defines a IPP Printer as the IPP Server + Service =
combination.  So in your diagram having a shared IPP Server the =
interfaces with one or more services is a valid architecture, but the =
interior boxes should be the Print Service, Scan Service, FaxOut =
Service, etc. and not "IPP Printer" (which is the whole box).


On Jan 10, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) =
<smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:

> Greetings,
>=20
> For what it is worth, Pete=92s description mirrors my own perception =
of the IPP object relationship.  Graphically, this is how I understand =
the relationship between the =93Printer objects=94 and the =93server=94 =
to exist, at least in terms of IPP:
>=20
> <PastedGraphic-2.png>
>=20
> Pete, when you say =93The Service URL identifies the service type=94, =
do you mean that the resource path in a URL defines the service type?  =
If so, I=92m not sure that is guaranteed to be true.  For instance =
=93ipp://myhost.pwg.org/ipp/fax=94 could be =93Fax=94 but could be =
anything.  PWG 5100.15 says that an IPP FaxOut service MUST be at =
/ipp/fax but nothing prevents a single-function printer from having a =
conventional =93Print=94 service at =93/ipp/fax=94.  It seems that =
inspection of the =93ipp-features-supported=94 is the way that one knows =
what service =93type=94 is at a particular resource path.
>=20
> Smith
>=20
> /**
>     Smith Kennedy
>     ATB Wireless Architect - PPS
>     Hewlett-Packard Co.
> */
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On 2014-01-10, at 7:06 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com> =
wrote:
>=20
>> Bill,
>> =20
>> I=92m a little confused on what you have labeled as an IPP Server and =
IPP Printer.  My view is that an IPP Server is what you have labeled as =
IPP Printer.  It contains the required protocol stacks, resources and =
service instances.  I have always understood an IPP Printer to be an =
instance of a Print Service.  This would map to a Virtual Printer in ISO =
10175 DPA.
>> =20
>> I have assumed that there would be a single IPP stack implementation =
(i.e., IPP Server in your first diagram) that would front end the =
service instances. Each service instance would be referenced by its =
unique URL (e.g., same URI Scheme, hostname and port, different paths)  =
Implementers are free to do things differently but I assume the intent =
of the IPP specification would be to multiplex all the IPP Services over =
a single port (i.e., 631)
>> =20
>> I agree that we could have used generic verbs but once we finished =
print we were stuck with the names of the verb.  Since IPP uses an =
enumeration we can reuse the enumeration across the services.  In the =
semantic model the operation does not really identify the service type.  =
The Service URL identifies the service type.  The operation names are =
simply service specific aliases for a common semantic operation.  We =
could have opted for a generic name but we went with a naming convention =
instead.
>> =20
>> Pete
>> =20
>> Peter Zehler
>>=20
>> Xerox Research Center Webster
>> Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
>> Voice: (585) 265-8755
>> FAX: (585) 265-7441
>> US Mail: Peter Zehler
>> Xerox Corp.
>> 800 Phillips Rd.
>> M/S 128-25E
>> Webster NY, 14580-9701
>> =20
>> =20
>> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of =
William A Wagner
>> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:57 PM
>> To: ipp@pwg.org; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list'
>> Subject: [IPP] Models
>> =20
>> I  am unclear on a Semantic Model configuration issue, which also may =
relate to IPP multifunction. The Semantic Model assumes that  =
communication is from client to service.  But in our operations, we =
identify the Service (e.g., CancelFaxInJob), which should not be =
necessary if the operation is directed to the service.  On the other =
hand, depending  upon where you want to put the transport address =
boundary, it is reasonable to think of operations being directed to the =
MFD, which corresponds to the System, in which case the service should =
be identified. Of course, this is inadequate if there are multiple =
services of a given type in the same system. Bottom line, should =
operations identify the Service type?
>> =20
>> With respect to IPP, should the multi service configuration look like =
A or B below? (or perhaps something else entirely?) Again, the modeling =
question is whether the service  identification is included in the =
operation.
>> <image001.jpg><image002.jpg>
>> IPP Multifunction A                                                   =
                                                                         =
                                                             IPP =
Multifunction B
>> =20
>> Thanks,
>> Bill Wagner
>> =20
>> =20
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after-white-space;">Smith,<div><br></div><div>The IPP model defines a =
IPP Printer as the IPP Server + Service combination. &nbsp;So in your =
diagram having a shared IPP Server the interfaces with one or more =
services is a valid architecture, but the interior boxes should be the =
Print Service, Scan Service, FaxOut Service, etc. and not "IPP Printer" =
(which is the whole =
box).</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On Jan 10, 2014, =
at 12:20 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:smith.kennedy@hp.com">smith.kennedy@hp.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
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charset=3Dwindows-1252"><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;">Greetings,<div><br></div><div>For what it is worth, =
Pete=92s description mirrors my own perception of the IPP object =
relationship. &nbsp;Graphically, this is how I understand the =
relationship between the =93Printer objects=94 and the =93server=94 to =
exist, at least in terms of =
IPP:</div><div><br></div><div><span>&lt;PastedGraphic-2.png&gt;</span></di=
v><div><br></div><div>Pete, when you say =93The Service URL identifies =
the service type=94, do you mean that the resource path in a URL defines =
the service type? &nbsp;If so, I=92m not sure that is guaranteed to be =
true. &nbsp;For instance =93<a =
href=3D"ipp://myhost.pwg.org/ipp/fax%E2%80%9D">ipp://myhost.pwg.org/ipp/fa=
x=94</a> could be =93Fax=94 but could be anything. &nbsp;PWG 5100.15 =
says that an IPP FaxOut service MUST be at /ipp/fax but nothing prevents =
a single-function printer from having a conventional =93Print=94 service =
at =93/ipp/fax=94. &nbsp;It seems that inspection of the =
=93ipp-features-supported=94 is the way that one knows what service =
=93type=94 is at a particular resource path.</div><div><br><div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: =
normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;">Smith<br><br>/**<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; Smith =
Kennedy<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; ATB Wireless Architect - PPS<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; =
Hewlett-Packard Co.<br>*/<br><br><br></div>
</div>
<br><div><div>On 2014-01-10, at 7:06 AM, Zehler, Peter &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" =
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0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class=3D"WordSection1" =
style=3D"page: WordSection1;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Bill,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);">&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">I=92m a little confused on what you have labeled as =
an IPP Server and IPP Printer.&nbsp; My view is that an IPP Server is =
what you have labeled as IPP Printer.&nbsp; It contains the required =
protocol stacks, resources and service instances.&nbsp; I have always =
understood an IPP Printer to be an instance of a Print Service.&nbsp; =
This would map to a Virtual Printer in ISO 10175 =
DPA.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I have assumed that there would be a =
single IPP stack implementation (i.e., IPP Server in your first diagram) =
that would front end the service instances. Each service instance would =
be referenced by its unique URL (e.g., same URI Scheme, hostname and =
port, different paths)&nbsp; Implementers are free to do things =
differently but I assume the intent of the IPP specification would be to =
multiplex all the IPP Services over a single port (i.e., =
631)<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I agree that we could have used =
generic verbs but once we finished print we were stuck with the names of =
the verb.&nbsp; Since IPP uses an enumeration we can reuse the =
enumeration across the services.&nbsp; In the semantic model the =
operation does not really identify the service type.&nbsp; The Service =
URL identifies the service type.&nbsp; The operation names are simply =
service specific aliases for a common semantic operation.&nbsp; We could =
have opted for a generic name but we went with a naming convention =
instead.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Pete<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);">&nbsp;</span></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"font-family: Impact, sans-serif; color: navy;">Peter =
Zehler</span><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);"><br><br></span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Tahoma, sans-serif; color: navy;">Xerox Research Center =
Webster<br></span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif; color: navy;">Email:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;">Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com</a></span><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><br></span><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy;">Voice: (585) =
265-8755</span><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><br></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: =
navy;">FAX: (585) 265-7441</span><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);"><br></span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif; color: navy;">US Mail: Peter Zehler</span><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><br></span><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy;">Xerox =
Corp.</span><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><br></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: =
navy;">800 Phillips Rd.</span><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);"><br></span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
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rgb(31, 73, 125);"><br></span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy;">Webster NY, =
14580-9701</span><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);">&nbsp;</span></div><div><div style=3D"border-style: solid none =
none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; =
padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[<a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;">mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b>On Behalf Of<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>William A =
Wagner<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Thursday, January 09, 2014 =
12:57 PM<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline;">ipp@pwg.org</a>; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion =
list'<br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[IPP] =
Models<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I&nbsp; am =
unclear on a Semantic Model configuration issue, which also may relate =
to IPP multifunction. The Semantic Model assumes that =
&nbsp;communication is from client to service. &nbsp;But in our =
operations, we identify the Service (e.g., CancelFaxInJob), which should =
not be necessary if the operation is directed to the service. &nbsp;On =
the other hand, depending &nbsp;upon where you want to put the transport =
address boundary, it is reasonable to think of operations being directed =
to the MFD, which corresponds to the System, in which case the service =
should be identified. Of course, this is inadequate if there are =
multiple services of a given type in the same system. Bottom line, =
should operations identify the Service type?<o:p></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">With =
respect to IPP, should the multi service configuration look like A or B =
below? (or perhaps something else entirely?) Again, the modeling =
question is whether the service&nbsp; identification is included in the =
operation.<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span>&lt;image001.jpg&gt;</span><span>&lt;image002.jpg&gt;</=
span><o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">IPP Multifunction =
A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; IPP Multifunction B<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Bill =
Wagner<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div>________________________________=
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Ira,

I'm not available the 21st or 22nd.  I might be able to do the 20th, but perhaps we can use the second hour in the normal timeslot (after Cloud is done) for IPP Scan?


On Jan 10, 2014, at 11:12 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Pete,
> 
> I would be happy to participate in an extra IPP Scan Service review call in
> the week of 20-24 January.
> 
> Possible times that would work for me are:
> 
> Mon 20 Jan 10am-12pm
> Tue 21 Jan 1-3pm
> Wed 22 Jan 1-3pm
> 
> All - please respond ASAP, so we can confirm at IPP meeting on 13 January.
> 
> Cheers,
> - Ira
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
> mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
> Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
> Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com> wrote:
> All,
> 
> I will be unavailable on Monday 1/13.  Given the IPP groups full plate I suggest we defer discussion on the scan specification until Monday 1/27.  I would be interested in having an IPP Scan specific concall the week of the 20th if we have any interested parties and can find a time.    At this time my schedule is fairly open.  Anyone interested in getting the IPP Scan completed?
> 
> Pete
> 
>  
> 
> Peter Zehler
> 
> Xerox Research Center Webster
> Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
> Voice: (585) 265-8755
> FAX: (585) 265-7441
> US Mail: Peter Zehler
> Xerox Corp.
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> M/S 128-25E
> Webster NY, 14580-9701
> 
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after-white-space;"><div>Ira,</div><div><br></div>I'm not available the =
21st or 22nd. &nbsp;I might be able to do the 20th, but perhaps we can =
use the second hour in the normal timeslot (after Cloud is done) for IPP =
Scan?<div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jan 10, 2014, at 11:12 AM, Ira =
McDonald &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Hi =
Pete,<br><br></div>I would be happy to participate in an extra IPP Scan =
Service review call in<br>the week of 20-24 =
January.<br><br></div>Possible times that would work for me are:<br>

<br></div>Mon 20 Jan 10am-12pm<br></div>Tue 21 Jan 1-3pm<br></div>Wed 22 =
Jan 1-3pm<br><br></div>All - please respond ASAP, so we can confirm at =
IPP meeting on 13 January.<br><br></div>Cheers,<br></div>- =
Ira<br><br><div>

<br><div><br></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br =
clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software =
Architect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - =
Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>

Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG =
Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; =
Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a =
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href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" =
target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><br>mailto:=
 <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>

Winter&nbsp; 579 Park Place&nbsp; Saline, MI&nbsp; 48176&nbsp; =
734-944-0094<br>Summer&nbsp; PO Box 221&nbsp; Grand Marais, MI =
49839&nbsp; 906-494-2434<br><br><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div =
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:45 AM, =
Zehler, Peter <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com" =
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<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">All,<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=
 will be unavailable on Monday 1/13.&nbsp; Given the IPP groups full =
plate I suggest we defer discussion on the scan specification until =
Monday 1/27.&nbsp; I would be interested in having an IPP Scan specific =
concall the week of the 20<sup>th</sup>
 if we have any interested parties and can find a =
time.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; At this time my schedule is fairly open.&nbsp; =
Anyone interested in getting the IPP Scan completed?<u></u><u></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Pete<u></u><u></u></p><p =
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<br>
</span><span =
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</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:navy">Email:
<a href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D"color:blue">Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com</span></a></span><span =
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</span><span =
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uot;;color:navy">Voice: <a href=3D"tel:%28585%29%20265-8755" =
value=3D"+15852658755" target=3D"_blank">(585) 265-8755</a></span><span =
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</span><span =
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value=3D"+15852657441" target=3D"_blank">(585) 265-7441</a></span><span =
style=3D"color:#1f497d"><br>


</span><span =
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</span><span =
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</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
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</span><span =
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</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
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Pete,

On Jan 10, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com> =
wrote:
> Bill,
> =20
> I=92m a little confused on what you have labeled as an IPP Server and =
IPP Printer.  My view is that an IPP Server is what you have labeled as =
IPP Printer.  It contains the required protocol stacks, resources and =
service instances.  I have always understood an IPP Printer to be an =
instance of a Print Service.  This would map to a Virtual Printer in ISO =
10175 DPA.

RFC 2911 says an IPP Printer is the combination of IPP Server and Print =
Service.

> I have assumed that there would be a single IPP stack implementation =
(i.e., IPP Server in your first diagram) that would front end the =
service instances. Each service instance would be referenced by its =
unique URL (e.g., same URI Scheme, hostname and port, different paths)  =
Implementers are free to do things differently but I assume the intent =
of the IPP specification would be to multiplex all the IPP Services over =
a single port (i.e., 631)

Well, IPP is layered over HTTP, so technically an IPP Server could/would =
multiplex based on the URI, and in fact can have multiple URIs (and port =
numbers, schemes, hostnames/addresses, etc.) for the same service.

Whether the same IPP Server is used for all the services is an =
implementation choice, and in fact there are many Apache httpd-based IPP =
solutions out there where httpd handles the incoming requests but =
separate service handlers do the IPP layer.
=20
> I agree that we could have used generic verbs but once we finished =
print we were stuck with the names of the verb.  Since IPP uses an =
enumeration we can reuse the enumeration across the services.  In the =
semantic model the operation does not really identify the service type.  =
The Service URL identifies the service type.  The operation names are =
simply service specific aliases for a common semantic operation.  We =
could have opted for a generic name but we went with a naming convention =
instead.
> =20
> Pete
> =20
> Peter Zehler
>=20
> Xerox Research Center Webster
> Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
> Voice: (585) 265-8755
> FAX: (585) 265-7441
> US Mail: Peter Zehler
> Xerox Corp.
> 800 Phillips Rd.
> M/S 128-25E
> Webster NY, 14580-9701
> =20
> =20
> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of =
William A Wagner
> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:57 PM
> To: ipp@pwg.org; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list'
> Subject: [IPP] Models
> =20
> I  am unclear on a Semantic Model configuration issue, which also may =
relate to IPP multifunction. The Semantic Model assumes that  =
communication is from client to service.  But in our operations, we =
identify the Service (e.g., CancelFaxInJob), which should not be =
necessary if the operation is directed to the service.  On the other =
hand, depending  upon where you want to put the transport address =
boundary, it is reasonable to think of operations being directed to the =
MFD, which corresponds to the System, in which case the service should =
be identified. Of course, this is inadequate if there are multiple =
services of a given type in the same system. Bottom line, should =
operations identify the Service type?
> =20
> With respect to IPP, should the multi service configuration look like =
A or B below? (or perhaps something else entirely?) Again, the modeling =
question is whether the service  identification is included in the =
operation.
> <image001.jpg><image002.jpg>
> IPP Multifunction A                                                    =
                                                                         =
                                                            IPP =
Multifunction B
> =20
> Thanks,
> Bill Wagner
> =20
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<div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">Bill,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I=92m a little =
confused on what you have labeled as an IPP Server and IPP =
Printer.&nbsp; My view is that an IPP Server is what you have labeled as =
IPP Printer.&nbsp; It contains the required protocol stacks, resources =
and
 service instances.&nbsp; I have always understood an IPP Printer to be =
an instance of a Print Service.&nbsp; This would map to a Virtual =
Printer in ISO 10175 =
DPA.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>RFC 2911 says an =
IPP Printer is the combination of IPP Server and Print =
Service.</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div =
class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">I have assumed that there would be a single IPP =
stack implementation (i.e., IPP Server in your first diagram) that would =
front end the service instances. Each service instance would be =
referenced by its unique
 URL (e.g., same URI Scheme, hostname and port, different paths)&nbsp; =
Implementers are free to do things differently but I assume the intent =
of the IPP specification would be to multiplex all the IPP Services over =
a single port (i.e., =
631)</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Well, IPP is =
layered over HTTP, so technically an IPP Server could/would multiplex =
based on the URI, and in fact can have multiple URIs (and port numbers, =
schemes, hostnames/addresses, etc.) for the same =
service.</div><div><br></div><div>Whether the same IPP Server is used =
for all the services is an implementation choice, and in fact there are =
many Apache httpd-based IPP solutions out there where httpd handles the =
incoming requests but separate service handlers do the IPP =
layer.</div><div><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">&nbsp;</span><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div =
class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">I agree that we could have used generic verbs =
but once we finished print we were stuck with the names of the =
verb.&nbsp; Since IPP uses an enumeration we can reuse the enumeration =
across the services.&nbsp; In the semantic
 model the operation does not really identify the service type.&nbsp; =
The Service URL identifies the service type.&nbsp; The operation names =
are simply service specific aliases for a common semantic =
operation.&nbsp; We could have opted for a generic name but we went with
 a naming convention instead.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">Pete<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Impact&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy"=
>Peter Zehler</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><br>
<br>
</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;;color:navy">Xerox Research Center Webster<br>
</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:navy">Email:
<a =
href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com">Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com</a></span><s=
pan style=3D"color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:navy">Voice: (585) 265-8755</span><span =
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</span><span =
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uot;;color:navy">FAX: (585) 265-7441</span><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:navy">US Mail: Peter Zehler</span><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:navy">Xerox Corp.</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:navy">800 Phillips Rd.</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><br>=

</span><span =
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uot;;color:navy">M/S 128-25E</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:navy">Webster NY, 14580-9701</span><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p>
<div>
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0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;">From:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;"> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a> =
[<a href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>William A Wagner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a>; 'Semantic =
Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [IPP] Models<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">I&nbsp; am unclear on a Semantic Model configuration =
issue, which also may relate to IPP multifunction. The Semantic Model =
assumes that &nbsp;communication is from client to service. &nbsp;But in =
our operations, we identify the Service (e.g., CancelFaxInJob),
 which should not be necessary if the operation is directed to the =
service. &nbsp;On the other hand, depending &nbsp;upon where you want to =
put the transport address boundary, it is reasonable to think of =
operations being directed to the MFD, which corresponds to the
 System, in which case the service should be identified. Of course, this =
is inadequate if there are multiple services of a given type in the same =
system. Bottom line, should operations identify the Service =
type?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">With respect to IPP, should the multi service =
configuration look like A or B below? (or perhaps something else =
entirely?) Again, the modeling question is whether the service&nbsp; =
identification is included in the operation.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>&lt;image001.jpg&gt;</span><span>&lt;image002.jp=
g&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">IPP Multifunction =
A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
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p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; IPP Multifunction B<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bill =
Wagner<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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So something more like this? =20




The label =93IPP Printer=94 was intended to convey that it was an IPP =
Printer Object.

Smith



On 2014-01-10, at 12:46 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

> Smith,
>=20
> The IPP model defines a IPP Printer as the IPP Server + Service =
combination.  So in your diagram having a shared IPP Server the =
interfaces with one or more services is a valid architecture, but the =
interior boxes should be the Print Service, Scan Service, FaxOut =
Service, etc. and not "IPP Printer" (which is the whole box).
>=20
>=20
> On Jan 10, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) =
<smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:
>=20
>> Greetings,
>>=20
>> For what it is worth, Pete=92s description mirrors my own perception =
of the IPP object relationship.  Graphically, this is how I understand =
the relationship between the =93Printer objects=94 and the =93server=94 =
to exist, at least in terms of IPP:
>>=20
>> <PastedGraphic-2.png>
>>=20
>> Pete, when you say =93The Service URL identifies the service type=94, =
do you mean that the resource path in a URL defines the service type?  =
If so, I=92m not sure that is guaranteed to be true.  For instance =
=93ipp://myhost.pwg.org/ipp/fax=94 could be =93Fax=94 but could be =
anything.  PWG 5100.15 says that an IPP FaxOut service MUST be at =
/ipp/fax but nothing prevents a single-function printer from having a =
conventional =93Print=94 service at =93/ipp/fax=94.  It seems that =
inspection of the =93ipp-features-supported=94 is the way that one knows =
what service =93type=94 is at a particular resource path.
>>=20
>> Smith
>>=20
>> /**
>>     Smith Kennedy
>>     ATB Wireless Architect - PPS
>>     Hewlett-Packard Co.
>> */
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 2014-01-10, at 7:06 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com> =
wrote:
>>=20
>>> Bill,
>>> =20
>>> I=92m a little confused on what you have labeled as an IPP Server =
and IPP Printer.  My view is that an IPP Server is what you have labeled =
as IPP Printer.  It contains the required protocol stacks, resources and =
service instances.  I have always understood an IPP Printer to be an =
instance of a Print Service.  This would map to a Virtual Printer in ISO =
10175 DPA.
>>> =20
>>> I have assumed that there would be a single IPP stack implementation =
(i.e., IPP Server in your first diagram) that would front end the =
service instances. Each service instance would be referenced by its =
unique URL (e.g., same URI Scheme, hostname and port, different paths)  =
Implementers are free to do things differently but I assume the intent =
of the IPP specification would be to multiplex all the IPP Services over =
a single port (i.e., 631)
>>> =20
>>> I agree that we could have used generic verbs but once we finished =
print we were stuck with the names of the verb.  Since IPP uses an =
enumeration we can reuse the enumeration across the services.  In the =
semantic model the operation does not really identify the service type.  =
The Service URL identifies the service type.  The operation names are =
simply service specific aliases for a common semantic operation.  We =
could have opted for a generic name but we went with a naming convention =
instead.
>>> =20
>>> Pete
>>> =20
>>> Peter Zehler
>>>=20
>>> Xerox Research Center Webster
>>> Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
>>> Voice: (585) 265-8755
>>> FAX: (585) 265-7441
>>> US Mail: Peter Zehler
>>> Xerox Corp.
>>> 800 Phillips Rd.
>>> M/S 128-25E
>>> Webster NY, 14580-9701
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of =
William A Wagner
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:57 PM
>>> To: ipp@pwg.org; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list'
>>> Subject: [IPP] Models
>>> =20
>>> I  am unclear on a Semantic Model configuration issue, which also =
may relate to IPP multifunction. The Semantic Model assumes that  =
communication is from client to service.  But in our operations, we =
identify the Service (e.g., CancelFaxInJob), which should not be =
necessary if the operation is directed to the service.  On the other =
hand, depending  upon where you want to put the transport address =
boundary, it is reasonable to think of operations being directed to the =
MFD, which corresponds to the System, in which case the service should =
be identified. Of course, this is inadequate if there are multiple =
services of a given type in the same system. Bottom line, should =
operations identify the Service type?
>>> =20
>>> With respect to IPP, should the multi service configuration look =
like A or B below? (or perhaps something else entirely?) Again, the =
modeling question is whether the service  identification is included in =
the operation.
>>> <image001.jpg><image002.jpg>
>>> IPP Multifunction A                                                  =
                                                                         =
                                                              IPP =
Multifunction B
>>> =20
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bill Wagner
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> ipp mailing list
>>> ipp@pwg.org
>>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp
>>=20
>> _______________________________________________
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>=20
> _________________________________________________________
> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dwindows-1252"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">So =
something more like this? &nbsp;<div><br></div><div><img =
apple-inline=3D"yes" id=3D"5C0A5A1A-3768-42D7-8BD7-DBDFA6213E0D" =
height=3D"364" width=3D"443" apple-width=3D"yes" apple-height=3D"yes" =
src=3D"cid:D4A5968F-F30A-4415-B6ED-9CF901325BA9"></div><div><br></div><div=
><br></div><div>The label =93IPP Printer=94 was intended to convey that =
it was an IPP Printer Object.<div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On 2014-01-10, at 12:46 PM, Michael Sweet &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com">msweet@apple.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">
<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3DWindows-1252"><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;">Smith,<div><br></div><div>The IPP model defines a =
IPP Printer as the IPP Server + Service combination. &nbsp;So in your =
diagram having a shared IPP Server the interfaces with one or more =
services is a valid architecture, but the interior boxes should be the =
Print Service, Scan Service, FaxOut Service, etc. and not "IPP Printer" =
(which is the whole =
box).</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On Jan 10, 2014, =
at 12:20 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:smith.kennedy@hp.com">smith.kennedy@hp.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;">Greetings,<div><br></div><div>For what it is worth, =
Pete=92s description mirrors my own perception of the IPP object =
relationship. &nbsp;Graphically, this is how I understand the =
relationship between the =93Printer objects=94 and the =93server=94 to =
exist, at least in terms of =
IPP:</div><div><br></div><div><span>&lt;PastedGraphic-2.png&gt;</span></di=
v><div><br></div><div>Pete, when you say =93The Service URL identifies =
the service type=94, do you mean that the resource path in a URL defines =
the service type? &nbsp;If so, I=92m not sure that is guaranteed to be =
true. &nbsp;For instance =93<a =
href=3D"ipp://myhost.pwg.org/ipp/fax%E2%80%9D">ipp://myhost.pwg.org/ipp/fa=
x=94</a> could be =93Fax=94 but could be anything. &nbsp;PWG 5100.15 =
says that an IPP FaxOut service MUST be at /ipp/fax but nothing prevents =
a single-function printer from having a conventional =93Print=94 service =
at =93/ipp/fax=94. &nbsp;It seems that inspection of the =
=93ipp-features-supported=94 is the way that one knows what service =
=93type=94 is at a particular resource path.</div><div><br><div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: =
normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; =
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;">Smith<br><br>/**<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; Smith =
Kennedy<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; ATB Wireless Architect - PPS<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; =
Hewlett-Packard Co.<br>*/<br><br><br></div>
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<br><div><div>On 2014-01-10, at 7:06 AM, Zehler, Peter &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" =
style=3D"font-family: ArialMT; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
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0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class=3D"WordSection1" =
style=3D"page: WordSection1;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Bill,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);">&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">I=92m a little confused on what you have labeled as =
an IPP Server and IPP Printer.&nbsp; My view is that an IPP Server is =
what you have labeled as IPP Printer.&nbsp; It contains the required =
protocol stacks, resources and service instances.&nbsp; I have always =
understood an IPP Printer to be an instance of a Print Service.&nbsp; =
This would map to a Virtual Printer in ISO 10175 =
DPA.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I have assumed that there would be a =
single IPP stack implementation (i.e., IPP Server in your first diagram) =
that would front end the service instances. Each service instance would =
be referenced by its unique URL (e.g., same URI Scheme, hostname and =
port, different paths)&nbsp; Implementers are free to do things =
differently but I assume the intent of the IPP specification would be to =
multiplex all the IPP Services over a single port (i.e., =
631)<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I agree that we could have used =
generic verbs but once we finished print we were stuck with the names of =
the verb.&nbsp; Since IPP uses an enumeration we can reuse the =
enumeration across the services.&nbsp; In the semantic model the =
operation does not really identify the service type.&nbsp; The Service =
URL identifies the service type.&nbsp; The operation names are simply =
service specific aliases for a common semantic operation.&nbsp; We could =
have opted for a generic name but we went with a naming convention =
instead.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Pete<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);">&nbsp;</span></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"font-family: Impact, sans-serif; color: navy;">Peter =
Zehler</span><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);"><br><br></span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Tahoma, sans-serif; color: navy;">Xerox Research Center =
Webster<br></span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
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0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);">&nbsp;</span></div><div><div style=3D"border-style: solid none =
none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; =
padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[<a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;">mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b>On Behalf Of<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>William A =
Wagner<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Thursday, January 09, 2014 =
12:57 PM<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline;">ipp@pwg.org</a>; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion =
list'<br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[IPP] =
Models<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I&nbsp; am =
unclear on a Semantic Model configuration issue, which also may relate =
to IPP multifunction. The Semantic Model assumes that =
&nbsp;communication is from client to service. &nbsp;But in our =
operations, we identify the Service (e.g., CancelFaxInJob), which should =
not be necessary if the operation is directed to the service. &nbsp;On =
the other hand, depending &nbsp;upon where you want to put the transport =
address boundary, it is reasonable to think of operations being directed =
to the MFD, which corresponds to the System, in which case the service =
should be identified. Of course, this is inadequate if there are =
multiple services of a given type in the same system. Bottom line, =
should operations identify the Service type?<o:p></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">With =
respect to IPP, should the multi service configuration look like A or B =
below? (or perhaps something else entirely?) Again, the modeling =
question is whether the service&nbsp; identification is included in the =
operation.<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span>&lt;image001.jpg&gt;</span><span>&lt;image002.jpg&gt;</=
span><o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">IPP Multifunction =
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p;&nbsp;&nbsp; IPP Multifunction B<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Bill =
Wagner<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div>________________________________=
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Michael,

 

Yes, I don't think that differs much from what  I suggested; regardless of
the physical configuration, the diagram indicates that the IPP Server, the
Print Services and the output device are conceptually separate entities and
the IPP Server and the  Print Service comprise the IPP Printer.  I think
perhaps that point is that there is an IPP Server and there are various
imaging services. A single IPP Service should be able to (but may not
necessarily) support interfaces to different types of imaging services. One
might suggest that referring to an IPP FaxOut Service is inappropriate.
Rather, it is a IPP Server that handles IPP FaxOut communications (and
perhaps other IPP Imaging communications)  and interfaces with a FaxOut
Service. 

 

The combination of an IPP Server with a Print Service is an IPP Printer.  Is
the combination of an IPP Server and a Scan Service an IPP Printer or an IPP
Scanner? Is the combination of an IPP Server with multiple imaging services
an IPP Printer or an IPP Multifunction?

 

Thanks,

Bill Wagner

 

From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 2:44 PM
To: William A Wagner
Cc: Peter Zehler; <ipp@pwg.org>; Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion
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Subject: Re: [IPP] Models

 

Bill,

 

The device isn't part of (as in embedded in) the Print Service in IPP, but
there is an association between them.

 

A single IPP Server *might* be a front-end for multiple services or it might
only handle a single server - that's an implementation choice.  The point in
the IPP model is that the IPP Server is the protocol interface to the
underlying service and device(s).

 

 

On Jan 10, 2014, at 12:02 PM, William A Wagner <wamwagner@comcast.net>
wrote:





Pete,

 

The configuration of an " IPP Printer" being composed of an IPP Server and a
Print Service follows the diagram in IPP SIX and, indeed, goes back to RFC
2911.  Furthermore, the "output device" was not considered part of the IPP
Printer. We did not necessarily adhere to this configuration in the MFD
model where we defined the Device as representing the hardware implementing
the Service, prompting two distinct uses of the word "device". I think the
point of separating the IPP Server and the Print Service  was that IPP just
defines the IPP interface to the IPP Printer but does not define the form or
specifics of the Print Service (one could argue that the Semantic Model
does). But the separation is convenient in considering IPP  multifunction so
that, as you suggest, there is a common IPP front end to potentially
multiple imaging services.

 

I am inclined, in the SM3 document, to eliminate the <service> term in
defining operations (e.g., Create<service>Job), unless they are
service-type specific. The understanding would be that the specific service
is in the address.  What is your opinion in this?

 

Thanks,

Bill Wagner

 

From: Zehler, Peter [mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 9:06 AM
To: William A Wagner; ipp@pwg.org; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion
list'
Subject: RE: [IPP] Models

 

Bill,

 

I'm a little confused on what you have labeled as an IPP Server and IPP
Printer.  My view is that an IPP Server is what you have labeled as IPP
Printer.  It contains the required protocol stacks, resources and service
instances.  I have always understood an IPP Printer to be an instance of a
Print Service.  This would map to a Virtual Printer in ISO 10175 DPA.

 

I have assumed that there would be a single IPP stack implementation (i.e.,
IPP Server in your first diagram) that would front end the service
instances. Each service instance would be referenced by its unique URL
(e.g., same URI Scheme, hostname and port, different paths)  Implementers
are free to do things differently but I assume the intent of the IPP
specification would be to multiplex all the IPP Services over a single port
(i.e., 631)

 

I agree that we could have used generic verbs but once we finished print we
were stuck with the names of the verb.  Since IPP uses an enumeration we can
reuse the enumeration across the services.  In the semantic model the
operation does not really identify the service type.  The Service URL
identifies the service type.  The operation names are simply service
specific aliases for a common semantic operation.  We could have opted for a
generic name but we went with a naming convention instead.

 

Pete

 

Peter Zehler

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Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
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From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of William
A Wagner
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:57 PM
To: ipp@pwg.org; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list'
Subject: [IPP] Models

 

I  am unclear on a Semantic Model configuration issue, which also may relate
to IPP multifunction. The Semantic Model assumes that  communication is from
client to service.  But in our operations, we identify the Service (e.g.,
CancelFaxInJob), which should not be necessary if the operation is directed
to the service.  On the other hand, depending  upon where you want to put
the transport address boundary, it is reasonable to think of operations
being directed to the MFD, which corresponds to the System, in which case
the service should be identified. Of course, this is inadequate if there are
multiple services of a given type in the same system. Bottom line, should
operations identify the Service type?

 

With respect to IPP, should the multi service configuration look like A or B
below? (or perhaps something else entirely?) Again, the modeling question is
whether the service  identification is included in the operation.

<image001.jpg><image002.jpg>

IPP Multifunction A
IPP Multifunction B

 

Thanks,

Bill Wagner

 

 

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Michael,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Yes, I don&#8217;t think =
that differs much from what&nbsp; I suggested; regardless of the =
physical configuration, the diagram indicates that the IPP Server, the =
Print Services and the output device are conceptually separate entities =
and the IPP Server and the &nbsp;Print Service comprise the IPP Printer. =
&nbsp;I think perhaps that point is that there is an IPP Server and =
there are various imaging services. A single IPP Service should be able =
to (but may not necessarily) support interfaces to different types of =
imaging services. One might suggest that referring to an IPP FaxOut =
Service is inappropriate. Rather, it is a IPP Server that handles IPP =
FaxOut communications (and perhaps other IPP Imaging communications) =
&nbsp;and interfaces with a FaxOut Service. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The combination of an =
IPP Server with a Print Service is an IPP Printer. &nbsp;Is the =
combination of an IPP Server and a Scan Service an IPP Printer or an IPP =
Scanner? Is the combination of an IPP Server with multiple imaging =
services an IPP Printer or an IPP Multifunction?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Bill =
Wagner<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January =
10, 2014 2:44 PM<br><b>To:</b> William A Wagner<br><b>Cc:</b> Peter =
Zehler; &lt;ipp@pwg.org&gt;; Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion =
list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] =
Models<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Bill,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The device isn't part of (as in embedded in) the Print =
Service in IPP, but there is an association between =
them.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>A =
single IPP Server *might* be a front-end for multiple services or it =
might only handle a single server - that's an implementation choice. =
&nbsp;The point in the IPP model is that the IPP Server is the protocol =
interface to the underlying service and =
device(s).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Jan 10, 2014, at 12:02 PM, William A Wagner &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net">wamwagner@comcast.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Pete,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The configuration of an =
&#8220; IPP Printer&#8221; being composed of an IPP Server and a Print =
Service follows the diagram in IPP SIX and, indeed, goes back to RFC =
2911. &nbsp;Furthermore, the &#8220;output device&#8221; was not =
considered part of the IPP Printer. We did not necessarily adhere to =
this configuration in the MFD model where we defined the Device as =
representing the hardware implementing the Service, prompting two =
distinct uses of the word &#8220;device&#8221;. I think the point of =
separating the IPP Server and the Print Service &nbsp;was that IPP just =
defines the IPP interface to the IPP Printer but does not define the =
form or specifics of the Print Service (one could argue that the =
Semantic Model does). But the separation is convenient in considering =
IPP &nbsp;multifunction so that, as you suggest, there is a common IPP =
front end to potentially multiple imaging =
services.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I am inclined, in the =
SM3 document, to eliminate the &lt;service&gt; term in defining =
operations (e.g., Create&lt;service&gt;Job), unless they are =
&nbsp;service-type specific. The understanding would be that the =
specific service is in the address. &nbsp;What is your opinion in =
this?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Bill =
Wagner</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Zehler, Peter [<a =
href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com">mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>]=
 <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 10, 2014 9:06 AM<br><b>To:</b> William =
A Wagner; <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a>; 'Semantic =
Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [IPP] =
Models</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Bill,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I&#8217;m a little =
confused on what you have labeled as an IPP Server and IPP =
Printer.&nbsp; My view is that an IPP Server is what you have labeled as =
IPP Printer.&nbsp; It contains the required protocol stacks, resources =
and service instances.&nbsp; I have always understood an IPP Printer to =
be an instance of a Print Service.&nbsp; This would map to a Virtual =
Printer in ISO 10175 DPA.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I have assumed that =
there would be a single IPP stack implementation (i.e., IPP Server in =
your first diagram) that would front end the service instances. Each =
service instance would be referenced by its unique URL (e.g., same URI =
Scheme, hostname and port, different paths)&nbsp; Implementers are free =
to do things differently but I assume the intent of the IPP =
specification would be to multiplex all the IPP Services over a single =
port (i.e., 631)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I agree that we could =
have used generic verbs but once we finished print we were stuck with =
the names of the verb.&nbsp; Since IPP uses an enumeration we can reuse =
the enumeration across the services.&nbsp; In the semantic model the =
operation does not really identify the service type.&nbsp; The Service =
URL identifies the service type.&nbsp; The operation names are simply =
service specific aliases for a common semantic operation.&nbsp; We could =
have opted for a generic name but we went with a naming convention =
instead.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Pete</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Impact","sans-serif";color:navy'>Peter =
Zehler</span><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><br><br></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy'>X=
erox Research Center Webster<br></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Em=
ail: <a =
href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com">Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com</a></span><=
span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><br></span><span =
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bster NY, 14580-9701</span><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'> =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
<a href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a> [<a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a>] =
<b>On Behalf Of </b>William A Wagner<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January =
09, 2014 12:57 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a>; 'Semantic Model 3.0 =
Workgroup discussion list'<br><b>Subject:</b> [IPP] =
Models</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I&nbsp; am =
unclear on a Semantic Model configuration issue, which also may relate =
to IPP multifunction. The Semantic Model assumes that =
&nbsp;communication is from client to service. &nbsp;But in our =
operations, we identify the Service (e.g., CancelFaxInJob), which should =
not be necessary if the operation is directed to the service. &nbsp;On =
the other hand, depending &nbsp;upon where you want to put the transport =
address boundary, it is reasonable to think of operations being directed =
to the MFD, which corresponds to the System, in which case the service =
should be identified. Of course, this is inadequate if there are =
multiple services of a given type in the same system. Bottom line, =
should operations identify the Service type?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>With respect =
to IPP, should the multi service configuration look like A or B below? =
(or perhaps something else entirely?) Again, the modeling question is =
whether the service&nbsp; identification is included in the =
operation.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&lt;image001.jpg&gt;&lt;image002.jpg&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal>IPP Multifunction =
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class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Bill =
Wagner<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Andale =
Mono","serif";color:black'>______________________________________________=
___________<br>Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System&nbsp;Engineer, PWG =
Chair<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Hi all,

It appears that the hypothetical second hour after Cloud Imaging WG on the
20th
is the only candidate for an IPP Scan Service review before the PWG
face-to-face.

Please all respond ASAP to this proposed time ASAP.

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434



On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

> Ira,
>
> I'm not available the 21st or 22nd.  I might be able to do the 20th, but
> perhaps we can use the second hour in the normal timeslot (after Cloud is
> done) for IPP Scan?
>
>
> On Jan 10, 2014, at 11:12 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Pete,
>
> I would be happy to participate in an extra IPP Scan Service review call in
> the week of 20-24 January.
>
> Possible times that would work for me are:
>
> Mon 20 Jan 10am-12pm
> Tue 21 Jan 1-3pm
> Wed 22 Jan 1-3pm
>
> All - please respond ASAP, so we can confirm at IPP meeting on 13 January.
>
> Cheers,
> - Ira
>
>
>
>
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
> mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
> Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
> Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com>wrote:
>
>>  All,
>>
>> I will be unavailable on Monday 1/13.  Given the IPP groups full plate I
>> suggest we defer discussion on the scan specification until Monday 1/27.  I
>> would be interested in having an IPP Scan specific concall the week of the
>> 20th if we have any interested parties and can find a time.    At this
>> time my schedule is fairly open.  Anyone interested in getting the IPP Scan
>> completed?
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter Zehler
>>
>> Xerox Research Center Webster
>> Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
>> Voice: (585) 265-8755
>> FAX: (585) 265-7441
>> US Mail: Peter Zehler
>> Xerox Corp.
>> 800 Phillips Rd.
>> M/S 128-25E
>> Webster NY, 14580-9701
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Hi all,<br><br></div>It appears that the hypothe=
tical second hour after Cloud Imaging WG on the 20th<br>is the only candida=
te for an IPP Scan Service review before the PWG face-to-face.<br><br></div=
>

<div>Please all respond ASAP to this proposed time ASAP.<br><br></div><div>=
Cheers,<br></div><div>- Ira<br><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><=
br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Ar=
chitect)<br>

Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Op=
en Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair -=
 IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IP=
P &amp; Printer MIB<br>

Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)" href=
=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target=3D"_blank">http://si=
tes.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br><a style=3D"color:rgb(102,0,204)" =
href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" target=3D"_blank">http:/=
/sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><br>

mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">bluero=
ofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0=
 734-944-0094<br>Summer=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-=
2434<br><br><div style=3D"display:inline">

</div><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=3D"display:inline"></d=
iv><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></div></div>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Michael=
 Sweet <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com" target=3D"=
_blank">msweet@apple.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex">

<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>Ira,</div><div><br></div>I&#39;m n=
ot available the 21st or 22nd. =A0I might be able to do the 20th, but perha=
ps we can use the second hour in the normal timeslot (after Cloud is done) =
for IPP Scan?<div>

<br></div><div><div><div class=3D"h5"><br><div><div>On Jan 10, 2014, at 11:=
12 AM, Ira McDonald &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><blockquote typ=
e=3D"cite">

<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Hi Pete,<br><br></=
div>I would be happy to participate in an extra IPP Scan Service review cal=
l in<br>the week of 20-24 January.<br><br></div>Possible times that would w=
ork for me are:<br>



<br></div>Mon 20 Jan 10am-12pm<br></div>Tue 21 Jan 1-3pm<br></div>Wed 22 Ja=
n 1-3pm<br><br></div>All - please respond ASAP, so we can confirm at IPP me=
eting on 13 January.<br><br></div>Cheers,<br></div>- Ira<br><br><div>

<br><div><br></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"=
><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Co-C=
hair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open P=
rinting WG<br>



Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Int=
ernet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MI=
B<br>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)" =
href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target=3D"_blank">http:=
//sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br>



<a style=3D"color:rgb(102,0,204)" href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/high=
northinc" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><b=
r>mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blue=
roofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>



Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 <a href=3D"tel:734-944-0=
094" value=3D"+17349440094" target=3D"_blank">734-944-0094</a><br>Summer=A0=
 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 <a href=3D"tel:906-494-2434" value=
=3D"+19064942434" target=3D"_blank">906-494-2434</a><br>

<br><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=3D"display:inline"></div=
><div style=3D"display:inline"></div>

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></div></div>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Zehler,=
 Peter <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left:1ex">









<div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-US">
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">All,<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I =
will be unavailable on Monday 1/13.=A0 Given the IPP groups full plate I su=
ggest we defer discussion on the scan specification until Monday 1/27.=A0 I=
 would be interested in having an IPP Scan specific concall the week of the=
 20<sup>th</sup>
 if we have any interested parties and can find a time.=A0=A0=A0 At this ti=
me my schedule is fairly open.=A0 Anyone interested in getting the IPP Scan=
 completed?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pete<u></u><u></u></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">

<u></u>=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quo=
t;Impact&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Peter Zehler</span><span =
style=3D"color:#1f497d"><br>
<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Xerox Research Center Webster<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Email:
<a href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"=
color:blue">Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com</span></a></span><span style=3D"color:#1=
f497d"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Voice: <a href=3D"tel:%28585%29%20265-8755" va=
lue=3D"+15852658755" target=3D"_blank">(585) 265-8755</a></span><span style=
=3D"color:#1f497d"><br>




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e=3D"+15852657441" target=3D"_blank">(585) 265-7441</a></span><span style=
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</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
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"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
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</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
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"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
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lor:#1f497d">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&qu=
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On Jan 11, 2014, at 11:19 AM, "Ira McDonald" <blueroofmusic@gmail.com<mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

It appears that the hypothetical second hour after Cloud Imaging WG on the 20th
is the only candidate for an IPP Scan Service review before the PWG face-to-face.

Please all respond ASAP to this proposed time ASAP.

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
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On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com<mailto:msweet@apple.com>> wrote:
Ira,

I'm not available the 21st or 22nd.  I might be able to do the 20th, but perhaps we can use the second hour in the normal timeslot (after Cloud is done) for IPP Scan?


On Jan 10, 2014, at 11:12 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com<mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Pete,

I would be happy to participate in an extra IPP Scan Service review call in
the week of 20-24 January.

Possible times that would work for me are:

Mon 20 Jan 10am-12pm
Tue 21 Jan 1-3pm
Wed 22 Jan 1-3pm

All - please respond ASAP, so we can confirm at IPP meeting on 13 January.

Cheers,
- Ira




Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com<mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com>
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Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434<tel:906-494-2434>



On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com<mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com>> wrote:
All,
I will be unavailable on Monday 1/13.  Given the IPP groups full plate I suggest we defer discussion on the scan specification until Monday 1/27.  I would be interested in having an IPP Scan specific concall the week of the 20th if we have any interested parties and can find a time.    At this time my schedule is fairly open.  Anyone interested in getting the IPP Scan completed?
Pete

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
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I'm available.
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From: Ira McDonald [blueroofmusic@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 1:18 PM
To: Michael Sweet
Cc: Zehler, Peter; IPP@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] When will next IPP Scan spec review be held?

Hi all,

It appears that the hypothetical second hour after Cloud Imaging WG on the 20th
is the only candidate for an IPP Scan Service review before the PWG face-to-face.

Please all respond ASAP to this proposed time ASAP.

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com<mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com>
Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434



On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com<mailto:msweet@apple.com>> wrote:
Ira,

I'm not available the 21st or 22nd.  I might be able to do the 20th, but perhaps we can use the second hour in the normal timeslot (after Cloud is done) for IPP Scan?


On Jan 10, 2014, at 11:12 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com<mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Pete,

I would be happy to participate in an extra IPP Scan Service review call in
the week of 20-24 January.

Possible times that would work for me are:

Mon 20 Jan 10am-12pm
Tue 21 Jan 1-3pm
Wed 22 Jan 1-3pm

All - please respond ASAP, so we can confirm at IPP meeting on 13 January.

Cheers,
- Ira




Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com<mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com>
Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094<tel:734-944-0094>
Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434<tel:906-494-2434>



On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com<mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com>> wrote:
All,
I will be unavailable on Monday 1/13.  Given the IPP groups full plate I suggest we defer discussion on the scan specification until Monday 1/27.  I would be interested in having an IPP Scan specific concall the week of the 20th if we have any interested parties and can find a time.    At this time my schedule is fairly open.  Anyone interested in getting the IPP Scan completed?
Pete

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com<mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com>
Voice: (585) 265-8755<tel:%28585%29%20265-8755>
FAX: (585) 265-7441<tel:%28585%29%20265-7441>
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Xerox Corp.
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From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira
McDonald
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 1:19 PM
To: Michael Sweet
Cc: IPP@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] When will next IPP Scan spec review be held?

 

Hi all,

It appears that the hypothetical second hour after Cloud Imaging WG on the
20th
is the only candidate for an IPP Scan Service review before the PWG
face-to-face.

Please all respond ASAP to this proposed time ASAP.

Cheers,

- Ira




Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
 <http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic>
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
 <http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc>
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434

 

On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

Ira,

 

I'm not available the 21st or 22nd.  I might be able to do the 20th, but
perhaps we can use the second hour in the normal timeslot (after Cloud is
done) for IPP Scan?

 

 

On Jan 10, 2014, at 11:12 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:





Hi Pete,

I would be happy to participate in an extra IPP Scan Service review call in
the week of 20-24 January.

Possible times that would work for me are:

Mon 20 Jan 10am-12pm

Tue 21 Jan 1-3pm

Wed 22 Jan 1-3pm

All - please respond ASAP, so we can confirm at IPP meeting on 13 January.

Cheers,

- Ira

 

 




Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
 <http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic>
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
 <http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc>
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434

 

On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com>
wrote:

All,

I will be unavailable on Monday 1/13.  Given the IPP groups full plate I
suggest we defer discussion on the scan specification until Monday 1/27.  I
would be interested in having an IPP Scan specific concall the week of the
20th if we have any interested parties and can find a time.    At this time
my schedule is fairly open.  Anyone interested in getting the IPP Scan
completed?

Pete

 

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755 <tel:%28585%29%20265-8755> 
FAX: (585) 265-7441 <tel:%28585%29%20265-7441> 
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
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M/S 128-25E
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:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri"=
,"sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I&#8217;m available.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","san=
s-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F4=
97D'>Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D=
'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>/Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","=
sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>--</span><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Paul Tykodi<br>Principal Consultant<=
br>TCS - Tykodi Consulting Services LLC<br><br>Tel/Fax: 603-343-1820<br>Mob=
ile:&nbsp; 603-866-0712<br>E-mail:&nbsp; <a href=3D"mailto:ptykodi@tykodi.c=
om">ptykodi@tykodi.com</a></span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;f=
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ot the intended recipient, please notify Tykodi Consulting Services LLC <o:=
p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font=
-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>immediately by replying to this=
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 class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans=
-serif";color:#1F497D'>and any attachments. Thank you</span><span style=3D'=
font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sa=
ns-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tah=
oma","sans-serif"'> ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] <b>On =
Behalf Of </b>Ira McDonald<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 11, 2014 1:19 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Michael Sweet<br><b>Cc:</b> IPP@pwg.org<br><b>Subject:</b>=
 Re: [IPP] When will next IPP Scan spec review be held?<o:p></o:p></span></=
p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3D=
MsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>It appears that the hypothetical s=
econd hour after Cloud Imaging WG on the 20th<br>is the only candidate for =
an IPP Scan Service review before the PWG face-to-face.<o:p></o:p></p></div=
><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Please all respon=
d ASAP to this proposed time ASAP.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin=
-bottom:12.0pt'>- Ira<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
br clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margi=
n-bottom:12.0pt'>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Co-Chair -=
 TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printin=
g WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO=
 PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Pr=
inter MIB<br>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a href=3D"http://sites.go=
ogle.com/site/blueroofmusic" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D'color:#3333FF=
'>http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</span></a><br><a href=3D"http:=
//sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D'colo=
r:#6600CC'>http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</span></a><br>mailto: =
<a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blueroofmusic@=
gmail.com</a><br>Winter&nbsp; 579 Park Place&nbsp; Saline, MI&nbsp; 48176&n=
bsp; 734-944-0094<br>Summer&nbsp; PO Box 221&nbsp; Grand Marais, MI 49839&n=
bsp; 906-494-2434<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'm=
argin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Fri,=
 Jan 10, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Michael Sweet &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.=
com" target=3D"_blank">msweet@apple.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ira,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I'm not available the 21st=
 or 22nd. &nbsp;I might be able to do the 20th, but perhaps we can use the =
second hour in the normal timeslot (after Cloud is done) for IPP Scan?<o:p>=
</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><div><d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal=
>On Jan 10, 2014, at 11:12 AM, Ira McDonald &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:blueroofm=
usic@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:=
p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><di=
v><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom=
:12.0pt'>Hi Pete,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-=
bottom:12.0pt'>I would be happy to participate in an extra IPP Scan Service=
 review call in<br>the week of 20-24 January.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Possible times that would work =
for me are:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Mon 20 Jan 10am-12pm<o=
:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Tue 21 Jan 1-3pm<o:p></o:p></p></di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Wed 22 Jan 1-3pm<o:p>=
</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>All - p=
lease respond ASAP, so we can confirm at IPP meeting on 13 January.<o:p></o=
:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMs=
oNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>- Ira<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D=
MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/p></div></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><br clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p><=
/p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Ira McDona=
ld (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solut=
ions WG<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-IS=
TO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Prot=
ocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Musi=
c / High North Inc<br><a href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic=
" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>http://sites.google.com/s=
ite/blueroofmusic</span></a><br><a href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/hig=
hnorthinc" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D'color:#6600CC'>http://sites.goo=
gle.com/site/highnorthinc</span></a><br>mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofm=
usic@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>Winter&nbs=
p; 579 Park Place&nbsp; Saline, MI&nbsp; 48176&nbsp; <a href=3D"tel:734-944=
-0094" target=3D"_blank">734-944-0094</a><br>Summer&nbsp; PO Box 221&nbsp; =
Grand Marais, MI 49839&nbsp; <a href=3D"tel:906-494-2434" target=3D"_blank"=
>906-494-2434</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'm=
argin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Fri,=
 Jan 10, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Zehler, Peter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@=
xerox.com" target=3D"_blank">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:=
p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-m=
argin-bottom-alt:auto'>All,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso=
-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I will be unavailable on M=
onday 1/13.&nbsp; Given the IPP groups full plate I suggest we defer discus=
sion on the scan specification until Monday 1/27.&nbsp; I would be interest=
ed in having an IPP Scan specific concall the week of the 20<sup>th</sup> i=
f we have any interested parties and can find a time.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; At =
this time my schedule is fairly open.&nbsp; Anyone interested in getting th=
e IPP Scan completed?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margi=
n-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Pete<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMs=
oNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;=
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-ma=
rgin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style=3D'font-family:"Impact","sans-serif";colo=
r:navy'>Peter Zehler</span><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><br><br></span><sp=
an style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy'>=
Xerox Research Center Webster<br></span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;fon=
t-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Email: <a href=3D"mailto:Peter.Ze=
hler@Xerox.com" target=3D"_blank">Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com</a></span><span st=
yle=3D'color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Voice: <a href=3D"tel:%28585%29%20265-87=
55" target=3D"_blank">(585) 265-8755</a></span><span style=3D'color:#1F497D=
'><br></span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-seri=
f";color:navy'>FAX: <a href=3D"tel:%28585%29%20265-7441" target=3D"_blank">=
(585) 265-7441</a></span><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><br></span><span sty=
le=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>US Mail=
: Peter Zehler</span><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Xerox Cor=
p.</span><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style=3D'font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>800 Phillips Rd.</span>=
<span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>M/S 128-25E</span><span style=3D=
'color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ari=
al","sans-serif";color:navy'>Webster NY, 14580-9701</span><span style=3D'co=
lor:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margi=
n-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D=
MsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12=
.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>ipp mailing li=
st<br><a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org" target=3D"_blank">ipp@pwg.org</a><br><=
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://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>_____________________=
__________________________<br>ipp mailing list<br><a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg=
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Our next IPP WG call will be Monday 13 January 12-2pm US Pacific / 3-5pm US
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Topic: IPP/Cloud WG
Date: Every Monday, from Monday, September 23, 2013 to no end date
Time: 3:00 pm, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00)
Meeting Number: 682 763 393
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Agenda:
(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker
- Mike as minute taker?

(2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meetings
 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20131216.pdf

(3) Status of various IPP documents (Ira/Mike)
* IETF LDAP Printer Schema (Ira)
- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp
/wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-05-20130919.pdf
 -- pending edits per IETF Apps Area review by Alexey Melnikov
-- (email thread 18 November through 10 December)
-- waiting on new draft from Ira per advice from Alexey

* IETF IPP over HTTPS Binding and 'ipps' URI Scheme (Ira)
- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp
/wd/draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-09-20131105.pdf
-- completed edits in response to IETF Apps Area review by Tom Petch
-- waiting for IETF Apps Area WG feedback and further IETF reviews

* IPP Shared Infrastructure Extensions (Mike)
- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsix10-20131209-rev.pdf
-- Prototoype draft
-- waiting for prototype reports

* IPP Self-Certification (Mike)
- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20131014-rev.pdf
-- waiting for new draft from Mike (from October F2F review)

* IPP Scan Service (Pete Zehler)
- <ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20130731-rev.pdf>
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-201301230.pdf
-- review after Cloud WG (20 January) and February PWG F2F

(4) Review of IPP Implementor's Guide v2.0 (Smith)
- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippig20-20140109-rev.pdf
- http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2014/017799.html
-- discuss scope of document, per Smith's email above
-- continue review at section 7.4 (from 16 December)

(5) Review of IPP Finishings v2.0 (Mike)
- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippfinishings20-20130814.pdf
-- continue review at section 5.1 (from 23 September)

(6) Next steps
- Cloud WG on Monday 20 January 2014 - IPP Scan Service review?
- IPP/Cloud WG on Monday 27 January 2014 - review F2F slides
- IPP WG at PWG F2F on Wednesday 5 February 2014
- IPP WG on Monday 3 March 2014 (Cloud WG on 17 February)

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434

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ccess Code: *******#<br>Attendee ID Code: # (empty)<br><br><div>NOTE:=A0 Pl=
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-------------------------------------------------------<br><span><br><span>=
<span><span><span><span>Agenda</span></span></span></span></span></span>:<b=
r>(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker<br></div><div>- Mike as minute taker?<=
br>



</div><div><br>(2) Approve <span><span><span><span><span><span>IPP</span></=
span></span></span></span></span> minutes from previous meetings<br>




</div>
- <a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20=
131216.pdf" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-c=
oncall-minutes-20131216.pdf</a><br><div>
<br></div><div>(3) Status of various <span><span>IPP</span></span> document=
s (Ira/Mike)<br>

</div><div><div>* IETF LDAP Printer Schema (Ira)<br>

</div><div>- <a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-lda=
p-printer-schema-05-20130919.pdf" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/p=
wg/<span><span>ipp</span></span>/wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-05-2=
0130919.pdf</a><br>




</div><div>

-- pending edits per IETF Apps Area review by Alexey Melnikov <br>-- (email=
 thread 18 November through 10 December)<br></div><div>-- waiting on new dr=
aft from Ira per advice from Alexey<br></div><br>* <span>IETF <span>IPP</sp=
an> over HTTPS Binding and &#39;ipps&#39; URI Scheme</span> (Ira)<br>



</div><div>- <a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ipp=
s-uri-scheme-09-20131105.pdf" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/<=
span>ipp</span>/wd/draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-09-20131105.pdf</a><br>

</div><div>-- completed edits in response to IETF Apps Area review by Tom P=
etch<br></div><div>-- waiting for IETF Apps Area <span>WG</span> feedback a=
nd further IETF reviews<br></div><div><br></div><div><div>* <span>IPP</span=
> Shared Infrastructure Extensions (Mike)<br>

- <a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsix10-20131209-rev.pdf"=
 target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsix10-20131209-re=
v.pdf</a><br>

-- Prototoype draft<br>-- waiting for prototype reports<br><br>* <span>IPP<=
/span> Self-Certification (Mike)<br>- <a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/=
ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20131014-rev.pdf" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pw=
g.org/pub/pwg/<span>ipp</span>/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20131014-rev.pdf</a><=
br>



-- waiting for new draft from Mike (from October F2F review)<br><br></div><=
div>* IPP Scan Service (Pete Zehler)<br>- <a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/=
pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20130731-rev.pdf" target=3D"_blank"><span><s=
pan></span></span></a><a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsca=
n10-201301230.pdf" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ip=
pscan10-201301230.pdf</a><br>




</div><div>-- review after Cloud WG (20 January) and February PWG F2F<br></=
div><div><br></div></div><div>(4) Review of <span>IPP</span> Implementor&#3=
9;s Guide v2.0 (Smith)<br></div><div><div>- <a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pu=
b/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippig20-20140109-rev.pdf" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.o=
rg/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippig20-20140109-rev.pdf</a><br>

</div><div>- <a href=3D"http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2014/017799.html">h=
ttp://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2014/017799.html</a><br>-- discuss scope of =
document, per Smith&#39;s email above<br>







</div>-- continue review at section 7.4 (from 16 December)<br><br></div><di=
v>(5) Review of <span>IPP</span> Finishings v2.0 (Mike)<br>- <a href=3D"ftp=
://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippfinishings20-20130814.pdf" target=3D"_b=
lank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/<span>ipp</span>/wd/wd-ippfinishings20-2013=
0814.pdf</a><br>



-- continue review at section 5.1 (from 23 September)<br><div><br>(6) Next =
steps<span><span></span></span></div></div><div><span></span></div><div><sp=
an></span>
</div><div>- <span>Cloud</span> <span>WG</span> on Monday <span></span><spa=
n></span>20 January 2014 - IPP Scan Service review?<br>
</div><div>- <span>IPP/Cloud</span> <span>WG</span> on Monday <span></span>=
<span></span>27 January 2014 - review F2F slides<br></div><div>- <span>IPP<=
/span> <span>WG</span> at PWG F2F on Wednesday 5 February 2014<br></div>

<div>- IPP WG on Monday 3 March 2014 (Cloud WG on 17 February)<br></div><di=
v><br></div><div>Cheers,<br></div><div>- Ira<br><br><br>
</div><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br=
>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux Foundation O=
pen Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair =
- IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>

IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music / High No=
rth Inc<br><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)" href=3D"http://sites.google.co=
m/site/blueroofmusic" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/bluero=
ofmusic</a><br>

<a style=3D"color:rgb(102,0,204)" href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/high=
northinc" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><b=
r>mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blue=
roofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>

Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094<br>Summer=
=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434<br><br><div style=
=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=3D=
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All,

I have posted the minutes for today's IPP WG conference call to:

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ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20140113.pdf

Our next meeting is January 20, 2014 at 4pm ET (right after Cloud) to =
discuss IPP Scan.

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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Smith,

The logical extension of the model in RFC 2911 would be this:





The combination of IPP Server and Service is the IPP Printer (object), =
which is the instance you are addressing using the "printer-uri" =
attribute.  We could generalize IPP Printer (object) by calling it an =
IPP Service (object), however since the target attribute is =
"printer-uri" and FaxOut is already using the IPP Printer terminology it =
may be simpler to document that an IPP Printer may perform functions =
other than printing.  Whether a single IPP Server is used for all =
Services is an implementation detail we don't need to specify (I could =
add dotted lined to join each of the IPP Servers if that would be =
clearer?)

Also, in order to allow device access from multiple services, I opted to =
show the services interfacing (loosely) with devices through an =
arbitration layer - this should allow pretty much any implementation =
while showing that devices (and subunits) may be shared between =
services.

Thoughts?


On Jan 10, 2014, at 3:37 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) =
<smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:

> So something more like this? =20
>=20
> <PastedGraphic-4.png>
>=20
>=20
> The label =93IPP Printer=94 was intended to convey that it was an IPP =
Printer Object.
>=20
> Smith
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On 2014-01-10, at 12:46 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
>=20
>> Smith,
>>=20
>> The IPP model defines a IPP Printer as the IPP Server + Service =
combination.  So in your diagram having a shared IPP Server the =
interfaces with one or more services is a valid architecture, but the =
interior boxes should be the Print Service, Scan Service, FaxOut =
Service, etc. and not "IPP Printer" (which is the whole box).
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Jan 10, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) =
<smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:
>>=20
>>> Greetings,
>>>=20
>>> For what it is worth, Pete=92s description mirrors my own perception =
of the IPP object relationship.  Graphically, this is how I understand =
the relationship between the =93Printer objects=94 and the =93server=94 =
to exist, at least in terms of IPP:
>>>=20
>>> <PastedGraphic-2.png>
>>>=20
>>> Pete, when you say =93The Service URL identifies the service type=94, =
do you mean that the resource path in a URL defines the service type?  =
If so, I=92m not sure that is guaranteed to be true.  For instance =
=93ipp://myhost.pwg.org/ipp/fax=94 could be =93Fax=94 but could be =
anything.  PWG 5100.15 says that an IPP FaxOut service MUST be at =
/ipp/fax but nothing prevents a single-function printer from having a =
conventional =93Print=94 service at =93/ipp/fax=94.  It seems that =
inspection of the =93ipp-features-supported=94 is the way that one knows =
what service =93type=94 is at a particular resource path.
>>>=20
>>> Smith
>>>=20
>>> /**
>>>     Smith Kennedy
>>>     ATB Wireless Architect - PPS
>>>     Hewlett-Packard Co.
>>> */
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On 2014-01-10, at 7:06 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com> =
wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> Bill,
>>>> =20
>>>> I=92m a little confused on what you have labeled as an IPP Server =
and IPP Printer.  My view is that an IPP Server is what you have labeled =
as IPP Printer.  It contains the required protocol stacks, resources and =
service instances.  I have always understood an IPP Printer to be an =
instance of a Print Service.  This would map to a Virtual Printer in ISO =
10175 DPA.
>>>> =20
>>>> I have assumed that there would be a single IPP stack =
implementation (i.e., IPP Server in your first diagram) that would front =
end the service instances. Each service instance would be referenced by =
its unique URL (e.g., same URI Scheme, hostname and port, different =
paths)  Implementers are free to do things differently but I assume the =
intent of the IPP specification would be to multiplex all the IPP =
Services over a single port (i.e., 631)
>>>> =20
>>>> I agree that we could have used generic verbs but once we finished =
print we were stuck with the names of the verb.  Since IPP uses an =
enumeration we can reuse the enumeration across the services.  In the =
semantic model the operation does not really identify the service type.  =
The Service URL identifies the service type.  The operation names are =
simply service specific aliases for a common semantic operation.  We =
could have opted for a generic name but we went with a naming convention =
instead.
>>>> =20
>>>> Pete
>>>> =20
>>>> Peter Zehler
>>>>=20
>>>> Xerox Research Center Webster
>>>> Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
>>>> Voice: (585) 265-8755
>>>> FAX: (585) 265-7441
>>>> US Mail: Peter Zehler
>>>> Xerox Corp.
>>>> 800 Phillips Rd.
>>>> M/S 128-25E
>>>> Webster NY, 14580-9701
>>>> =20
>>>> =20
>>>> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of =
William A Wagner
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:57 PM
>>>> To: ipp@pwg.org; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list'
>>>> Subject: [IPP] Models
>>>> =20
>>>> I  am unclear on a Semantic Model configuration issue, which also =
may relate to IPP multifunction. The Semantic Model assumes that  =
communication is from client to service.  But in our operations, we =
identify the Service (e.g., CancelFaxInJob), which should not be =
necessary if the operation is directed to the service.  On the other =
hand, depending  upon where you want to put the transport address =
boundary, it is reasonable to think of operations being directed to the =
MFD, which corresponds to the System, in which case the service should =
be identified. Of course, this is inadequate if there are multiple =
services of a given type in the same system. Bottom line, should =
operations identify the Service type?
>>>> =20
>>>> With respect to IPP, should the multi service configuration look =
like A or B below? (or perhaps something else entirely?) Again, the =
modeling question is whether the service  identification is included in =
the operation.
>>>> <image001.jpg><image002.jpg>
>>>> IPP Multifunction A                                                 =
                                                                         =
                                                               IPP =
Multifunction B
>>>> =20
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Bill Wagner
>>>> =20
>>>> =20
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>>>=20
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>> _________________________________________________________
>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
>>=20
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;">Smith,<div><br></div><div>The logical extension of =
the model in RFC 2911 would be =
this:</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><img apple-inline=3D"yes" =
id=3D"750531DB-A70C-47B3-91BA-745CB67AF426" height=3D"403" width=3D"840" =
apple-width=3D"yes" apple-height=3D"yes" =
src=3D"cid:184FA538-BC6A-4779-BE5E-9B13B2F75010@eastlink.ca"></div><div><b=
r></div><div><br></div><div>The combination of IPP Server and Service is =
the IPP Printer (object), which is the instance you are addressing using =
the "printer-uri" attribute. &nbsp;We could generalize IPP Printer =
(object) by calling it an IPP Service (object), however since the target =
attribute is "printer-uri" and FaxOut is already using the IPP Printer =
terminology it may be simpler to document that an IPP Printer may =
perform functions other than printing. &nbsp;Whether a single IPP Server =
is used for all Services is an implementation detail we don't need to =
specify (I could add dotted lined to join each of the IPP Servers if =
that would be clearer?)</div><div><br></div><div>Also, in order to allow =
device access from multiple services, I opted to show the services =
interfacing (loosely) with devices through an arbitration layer - this =
should allow pretty much any implementation while showing that devices =
(and subunits) may be shared between =
services.</div><div><br></div><div>Thoughts?</div><div><br></div><div><br>=
<div><div>On Jan 10, 2014, at 3:37 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless =
Architect) &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:smith.kennedy@hp.com">smith.kennedy@hp.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dwindows-1252"><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">So =
something more like this? =
&nbsp;<div><br></div><div><span>&lt;PastedGraphic-4.png&gt;</span></div><d=
iv><br></div><div><br></div><div>The label =93IPP Printer=94 was =
intended to convey that it was an IPP Printer Object.<div><br><div>
Smith<br><br><br>

</div>

<br><div><div>On 2014-01-10, at 12:46 PM, Michael Sweet &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com">msweet@apple.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">
<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3DWindows-1252"><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;">Smith,<div><br></div><div>The IPP model defines a =
IPP Printer as the IPP Server + Service combination. &nbsp;So in your =
diagram having a shared IPP Server the interfaces with one or more =
services is a valid architecture, but the interior boxes should be the =
Print Service, Scan Service, FaxOut Service, etc. and not "IPP Printer" =
(which is the whole =
box).</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On Jan 10, 2014, =
at 12:20 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:smith.kennedy@hp.com">smith.kennedy@hp.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;">Greetings,<div><br></div><div>For what it is worth, =
Pete=92s description mirrors my own perception of the IPP object =
relationship. &nbsp;Graphically, this is how I understand the =
relationship between the =93Printer objects=94 and the =93server=94 to =
exist, at least in terms of =
IPP:</div><div><br></div><div><span>&lt;PastedGraphic-2.png&gt;</span></di=
v><div><br></div><div>Pete, when you say =93The Service URL identifies =
the service type=94, do you mean that the resource path in a URL defines =
the service type? &nbsp;If so, I=92m not sure that is guaranteed to be =
true. &nbsp;For instance =93<a =
href=3D"ipp://myhost.pwg.org/ipp/fax%E2%80%9D">ipp://myhost.pwg.org/ipp/fa=
x=94</a> could be =93Fax=94 but could be anything. &nbsp;PWG 5100.15 =
says that an IPP FaxOut service MUST be at /ipp/fax but nothing prevents =
a single-function printer from having a conventional =93Print=94 service =
at =93/ipp/fax=94. &nbsp;It seems that inspection of the =
=93ipp-features-supported=94 is the way that one knows what service =
=93type=94 is at a particular resource path.</div><div><br><div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: =
normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;">Smith<br><br>/**<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; Smith =
Kennedy<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; ATB Wireless Architect - PPS<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; =
Hewlett-Packard Co.<br>*/<br><br><br></div>
</div>
<br><div><div>On 2014-01-10, at 7:06 AM, Zehler, Peter &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" =
style=3D"font-family: ArialMT; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class=3D"WordSection1" =
style=3D"page: WordSection1;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Bill,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);">&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">I=92m a little confused on what you have labeled as =
an IPP Server and IPP Printer.&nbsp; My view is that an IPP Server is =
what you have labeled as IPP Printer.&nbsp; It contains the required =
protocol stacks, resources and service instances.&nbsp; I have always =
understood an IPP Printer to be an instance of a Print Service.&nbsp; =
This would map to a Virtual Printer in ISO 10175 =
DPA.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I have assumed that there would be a =
single IPP stack implementation (i.e., IPP Server in your first diagram) =
that would front end the service instances. Each service instance would =
be referenced by its unique URL (e.g., same URI Scheme, hostname and =
port, different paths)&nbsp; Implementers are free to do things =
differently but I assume the intent of the IPP specification would be to =
multiplex all the IPP Services over a single port (i.e., =
631)<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I agree that we could have used =
generic verbs but once we finished print we were stuck with the names of =
the verb.&nbsp; Since IPP uses an enumeration we can reuse the =
enumeration across the services.&nbsp; In the semantic model the =
operation does not really identify the service type.&nbsp; The Service =
URL identifies the service type.&nbsp; The operation names are simply =
service specific aliases for a common semantic operation.&nbsp; We could =
have opted for a generic name but we went with a naming convention =
instead.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Pete<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);">&nbsp;</span></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"font-family: Impact, sans-serif; color: navy;">Peter =
Zehler</span><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);"><br><br></span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Tahoma, sans-serif; color: navy;">Xerox Research Center =
Webster<br></span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif; color: navy;">Email:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;">Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com</a></span><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><br></span><span style=3D"font-size: =
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rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);">&nbsp;</span></div><div><div style=3D"border-style: solid none =
none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; =
padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[<a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;">mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b>On Behalf Of<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>William A =
Wagner<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Thursday, January 09, 2014 =
12:57 PM<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline;">ipp@pwg.org</a>; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion =
list'<br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[IPP] =
Models<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I&nbsp; am =
unclear on a Semantic Model configuration issue, which also may relate =
to IPP multifunction. The Semantic Model assumes that =
&nbsp;communication is from client to service. &nbsp;But in our =
operations, we identify the Service (e.g., CancelFaxInJob), which should =
not be necessary if the operation is directed to the service. &nbsp;On =
the other hand, depending &nbsp;upon where you want to put the transport =
address boundary, it is reasonable to think of operations being directed =
to the MFD, which corresponds to the System, in which case the service =
should be identified. Of course, this is inadequate if there are =
multiple services of a given type in the same system. Bottom line, =
should operations identify the Service type?<o:p></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">With =
respect to IPP, should the multi service configuration look like A or B =
below? (or perhaps something else entirely?) Again, the modeling =
question is whether the service&nbsp; identification is included in the =
operation.<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span>&lt;image001.jpg&gt;</span><span>&lt;image002.jpg&gt;</=
span><o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">IPP Multifunction =
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p;&nbsp;&nbsp; IPP Multifunction B<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Bill =
Wagner<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div>________________________________=
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white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; =
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Subject: Re: [IPP] Models
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Hi Mike,

I like your drawing and explanations.

But conflating Input/Output Devices with Subunits (non-free-standing
components of a Printer,
Scanner, Copier, etc.) bothers me.  It doesn't cohere w/ the IETF Host
Resources and Printer
MIBs or the ISO 10175 DPA model (where subunits are all first-class
objects).

I suggest changing the common bottom solid line below Print Service to SCS
to a shorter height
block (than the service blocks) labelled "Shared Subunits (input tray,
marker, etc.)" to clarify this
distinction.

Historical Note:

In the ISO 10175 DPA model, there is actually a top object of Server.  For
consistency w/ IETF Host
Resources and Printer MIBs, Pete and I renamed it from Server to System
when I wrote the WIMS
multifunction schema that Pete mostly adopted into the Semantic Model 2.0
schema.

The ISO DPA Control operation (all admin ops rolled into one command) has a
target of Server
(and can startup or shutdown an instance of a Logical Printer).

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
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On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

> Smith,
>
> The logical extension of the model in RFC 2911 would be this:
>
>
>
>
> The combination of IPP Server and Service is the IPP Printer (object),
> which is the instance you are addressing using the "printer-uri" attribut=
e.
>  We could generalize IPP Printer (object) by calling it an IPP Service
> (object), however since the target attribute is "printer-uri" and FaxOut =
is
> already using the IPP Printer terminology it may be simpler to document
> that an IPP Printer may perform functions other than printing.  Whether a
> single IPP Server is used for all Services is an implementation detail we
> don't need to specify (I could add dotted lined to join each of the IPP
> Servers if that would be clearer?)
>
> Also, in order to allow device access from multiple services, I opted to
> show the services interfacing (loosely) with devices through an arbitrati=
on
> layer - this should allow pretty much any implementation while showing th=
at
> devices (and subunits) may be shared between services.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> On Jan 10, 2014, at 3:37 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) <
> smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:
>
> So something more like this?
>
> <PastedGraphic-4.png>
>
>
> The label =93IPP Printer=94 was intended to convey that it was an IPP Pri=
nter
> Object.
>
> Smith
>
>
>
> On 2014-01-10, at 12:46 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
>
> Smith,
>
> The IPP model defines a IPP Printer as the IPP Server + Service
> combination.  So in your diagram having a shared IPP Server the interface=
s
> with one or more services is a valid architecture, but the interior boxes
> should be the Print Service, Scan Service, FaxOut Service, etc. and not
> "IPP Printer" (which is the whole box).
>
>
> On Jan 10, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) <
> smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> For what it is worth, Pete=92s description mirrors my own perception of t=
he
> IPP object relationship.  Graphically, this is how I understand the
> relationship between the =93Printer objects=94 and the =93server=94 to ex=
ist, at
> least in terms of IPP:
>
> <PastedGraphic-2.png>
>
> Pete, when you say =93The Service URL identifies the service type=94, do =
you
> mean that the resource path in a URL defines the service type?  If so, I=
=92m
> not sure that is guaranteed to be true.  For instance =93
> ipp://myhost.pwg.org/ipp/fax=94 could be =93Fax=94 but could be anything.=
  PWG
> 5100.15 says that an IPP FaxOut service MUST be at /ipp/fax but nothing
> prevents a single-function printer from having a conventional =93Print=94
> service at =93/ipp/fax=94.  It seems that inspection of the
> =93ipp-features-supported=94 is the way that one knows what service =93ty=
pe=94 is
> at a particular resource path.
>
>  Smith
>
> /**
>     Smith Kennedy
>     ATB Wireless Architect - PPS
>     Hewlett-Packard Co.
> */
>
>
>
> On 2014-01-10, at 7:06 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com> wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> I=92m a little confused on what you have labeled as an IPP Server and IPP
> Printer.  My view is that an IPP Server is what you have labeled as IPP
> Printer.  It contains the required protocol stacks, resources and service
> instances.  I have always understood an IPP Printer to be an instance of =
a
> Print Service.  This would map to a Virtual Printer in ISO 10175 DPA.
>
> I have assumed that there would be a single IPP stack implementation
> (i.e., IPP Server in your first diagram) that would front end the service
> instances. Each service instance would be referenced by its unique URL
> (e.g., same URI Scheme, hostname and port, different paths)  Implementers
> are free to do things differently but I assume the intent of the IPP
> specification would be to multiplex all the IPP Services over a single po=
rt
> (i.e., 631)
>
> I agree that we could have used generic verbs but once we finished print
> we were stuck with the names of the verb.  Since IPP uses an enumeration =
we
> can reuse the enumeration across the services.  In the semantic model the
> operation does not really identify the service type.  The Service URL
> identifies the service type.  The operation names are simply service
> specific aliases for a common semantic operation.  We could have opted fo=
r
> a generic name but we went with a naming convention instead.
>
> Pete
>
> Peter Zehler
>
> Xerox Research Center Webster
> Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
> Voice: (585) 265-8755
> FAX: (585) 265-7441
> US Mail: Peter Zehler
> Xerox Corp.
> 800 Phillips Rd.
> M/S 128-25E
> Webster NY, 14580-9701
>
>
> *From:* ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org<ipp-bounces@pwg.o=
rg>
> ] *On Behalf Of *William A Wagner
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:57 PM
> *To:* ipp@pwg.org; 'Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list'
> *Subject:* [IPP] Models
>
> I  am unclear on a Semantic Model configuration issue, which also may
> relate to IPP multifunction. The Semantic Model assumes that  communicati=
on
> is from client to service.  But in our operations, we identify the Servic=
e
> (e.g., CancelFaxInJob), which should not be necessary if the operation is
> directed to the service.  On the other hand, depending  upon where you wa=
nt
> to put the transport address boundary, it is reasonable to think of
> operations being directed to the MFD, which corresponds to the System, in
> which case the service should be identified. Of course, this is inadequat=
e
> if there are multiple services of a given type in the same system. Bottom
> line, should operations identify the Service type?
>
> With respect to IPP, should the multi service configuration look like A o=
r
> B below? (or perhaps something else entirely?) Again, the modeling questi=
on
> is whether the service  identification is included in the operation.
> <image001.jpg><image002.jpg>
> IPP Multifunction A
>
> IPP Multifunction B
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Wagner
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>Hi Mike,<br><br></div>I like your=
 drawing and explanations.<br><br></div>But conflating Input/Output Devices=
 with Subunits (non-free-standing components of a Printer, <br>Scanner, Cop=
ier, etc.) bothers me.=A0 It doesn&#39;t cohere w/ the IETF Host Resources =
and Printer <br>

MIBs or the ISO 10175 DPA model (where subunits are all first-class objects=
).<br><br></div>I suggest changing the common bottom solid line below Print=
 Service to SCS to a shorter height<br></div>block (than the service blocks=
) labelled &quot;Shared Subunits (input tray, marker, etc.)&quot; to clarif=
y this<br>

</div><div>distinction.<br><br></div><div>Historical Note:<br><br>In the IS=
O 10175 DPA model, there is actually a top object of Server.=A0 For consist=
ency w/ IETF Host <br>Resources and Printer MIBs, Pete and I renamed it fro=
m Server to System when I wrote the WIMS <br>

multifunction schema that Pete mostly adopted into the Semantic Model 2.0 s=
chema.=A0 <br><br>The ISO DPA Control operation (all admin ops rolled into =
one command) has a target of Server <br>(and can startup or shutdown an ins=
tance of a Logical Printer).<br>

<br></div><div>Cheers,<br></div><div>- Ira<br></div><div><br></div></div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira McDona=
ld (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solut=
ions WG<br>

Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer =
Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>=
IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music / High No=
rth Inc<br>

<a style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)" href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/blue=
roofmusic" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a>=
<br><a style=3D"color:rgb(102,0,204)" href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/=
highnorthinc" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</=
a><br>

mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">bluero=
ofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0=
 734-944-0094<br>Summer=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-=
2434<br><br><div style=3D"display:inline">

</div><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=3D"display:inline"></d=
iv><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></div></div>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Michae=
l Sweet <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com" target=3D=
"_blank">msweet@apple.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
t:1ex">

<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Smith,<div><br></div><div>The logical e=
xtension of the model in RFC 2911 would be this:</div><div><br></div><div><=
br></div><div><img src=3D"cid:184FA538-BC6A-4779-BE5E-9B13B2F75010@eastlink=
.ca" width=3D"840" height=3D"403"></div>

<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>The combination of IPP Server and Servic=
e is the IPP Printer (object), which is the instance you are addressing usi=
ng the &quot;printer-uri&quot; attribute. =A0We could generalize IPP Printe=
r (object) by calling it an IPP Service (object), however since the target =
attribute is &quot;printer-uri&quot; and FaxOut is already using the IPP Pr=
inter terminology it may be simpler to document that an IPP Printer may per=
form functions other than printing. =A0Whether a single IPP Server is used =
for all Services is an implementation detail we don&#39;t need to specify (=
I could add dotted lined to join each of the IPP Servers if that would be c=
learer?)</div>

<div><br></div><div>Also, in order to allow device access from multiple ser=
vices, I opted to show the services interfacing (loosely) with devices thro=
ugh an arbitration layer - this should allow pretty much any implementation=
 while showing that devices (and subunits) may be shared between services.<=
/div>

<div><br></div><div>Thoughts?</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div class=
=3D"im"><div>On Jan 10, 2014, at 3:37 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architec=
t) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:smith.kennedy@hp.com" target=3D"_blank">smith.kenn=
edy@hp.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div>

<br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><di=
v class=3D"im">So something more like this? =A0<div><br></div></div><div><s=
pan>&lt;PastedGraphic-4.png&gt;</span></div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div><br=
></div>

<div><br></div><div>The label =93IPP Printer=94 was intended to convey that=
 it was an IPP Printer Object.<div><br><div>
Smith<br><br><br>

</div>

<br><div><div>On 2014-01-10, at 12:46 PM, Michael Sweet &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:msweet@apple.com" target=3D"_blank">msweet@apple.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div=
><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Smith,<div><br></div><div>The IPP model=
 defines a IPP Printer as the IPP Server + Service combination. =A0So in yo=
ur diagram having a shared IPP Server the interfaces with one or more servi=
ces is a valid architecture, but the interior boxes should be the Print Ser=
vice, Scan Service, FaxOut Service, etc. and not &quot;IPP Printer&quot; (w=
hich is the whole box).</div>

<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On Jan 10, 2014, at 12:20 PM, =
Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:smith.kennedy@hp.=
com" target=3D"_blank">smith.kennedy@hp.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><blockq=
uote type=3D"cite">

<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Greetings,<div><br></div><div>For what =
it is worth, Pete=92s description mirrors my own perception of the IPP obje=
ct relationship. =A0Graphically, this is how I understand the relationship =
between the =93Printer objects=94 and the =93server=94 to exist, at least i=
n terms of IPP:</div>

<div><br></div><div><span>&lt;PastedGraphic-2.png&gt;</span></div><div><br>=
</div><div>Pete, when you say =93The Service URL identifies the service typ=
e=94, do you mean that the resource path in a URL defines the service type?=
 =A0If so, I=92m not sure that is guaranteed to be true. =A0For instance =
=93<a>ipp://myhost.pwg.org/ipp/fax=94</a> could be =93Fax=94 but could be a=
nything. =A0PWG 5100.15 says that an IPP FaxOut service MUST be at /ipp/fax=
 but nothing prevents a single-function printer from having a conventional =
=93Print=94 service at =93/ipp/fax=94. =A0It seems that inspection of the =
=93ipp-features-supported=94 is the way that one knows what service =93type=
=94 is at a particular resource path.</div>

<div><br><div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-=
weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-a=
uto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px=
;word-wrap:break-word">

Smith<br><br>/**<br>=A0 =A0 Smith Kennedy<br>=A0 =A0 ATB Wireless Architect=
 - PPS<br>=A0 =A0 Hewlett-Packard Co.<br>*/<br><br><br></div>
</div>
<br><div><div>On 2014-01-10, at 7:06 AM, Zehler, Peter &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com" target=3D"_blank">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purpl=
e" style=3D"font-family:ArialMT;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-=
align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spa=
cing:0px" lang=3D"EN-US">

<div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calib=
ri,sans-serif"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">Bill,<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:C=
alibri,sans-serif">

<span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=A0</span></div><div style=3D"margin:0=
in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style=
=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">I=92m a little confused on what you have labeled =
as an IPP Server and IPP Printer.=A0 My view is that an IPP Server is what =
you have labeled as IPP Printer.=A0 It contains the required protocol stack=
s, resources and service instances.=A0 I have always understood an IPP Prin=
ter to be an instance of a Print Service.=A0 This would map to a Virtual Pr=
inter in ISO 10175 DPA.<u></u><u></u></span></div>

<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=A0</span></div><div style=
=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=
<span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">I have assumed that there would be a s=
ingle IPP stack implementation (i.e., IPP Server in your first diagram) tha=
t would front end the service instances. Each service instance would be ref=
erenced by its unique URL (e.g., same URI Scheme, hostname and port, differ=
ent paths)=A0 Implementers are free to do things differently but I assume t=
he intent of the IPP specification would be to multiplex all the IPP Servic=
es over a single port (i.e., 631)<u></u><u></u></span></div>

<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=A0</span></div><div style=
=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=
<span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">I agree that we could have used generi=
c verbs but once we finished print we were stuck with the names of the verb=
.=A0 Since IPP uses an enumeration we can reuse the enumeration across the =
services.=A0 In the semantic model the operation does not really identify t=
he service type.=A0 The Service URL identifies the service type.=A0 The ope=
ration names are simply service specific aliases for a common semantic oper=
ation.=A0 We could have opted for a generic name but we went with a naming =
convention instead.<u></u><u></u></span></div>

<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=A0</span></div><div style=
=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=
<span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">Pete<u></u><u></u></span></div>

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ns-serif"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=A0</span></div><div><div st=
yle=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-seri=
f">
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<b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span=
></b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span>=A0=
</span><a href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org" style=3D"color:purple;text-de=
coration:underline" target=3D"_blank">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a><span>=A0</spa=
n>[<a href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org" style=3D"color:purple;text-decora=
tion:underline" target=3D"_blank">mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a>]<span>=A0<=
/span><b>On Behalf Of<span>=A0</span></b>William A Wagner<br>

<b>Sent:</b><span>=A0</span>Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:57 PM<br><b>To:</=
b><span>=A0</span><a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org" style=3D"color:purple;text=
-decoration:underline" target=3D"_blank">ipp@pwg.org</a>; &#39;Semantic Mod=
el 3.0 Workgroup discussion list&#39;<br>

<b>Subject:</b><span>=A0</span>[IPP] Models<u></u><u></u></span></div></div=
></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Cal=
ibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=A0<u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001=
pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">

I=A0 am unclear on a Semantic Model configuration issue, which also may rel=
ate to IPP multifunction. The Semantic Model assumes that =A0communication =
is from client to service. =A0But in our operations, we identify the Servic=
e (e.g., CancelFaxInJob), which should not be necessary if the operation is=
 directed to the service. =A0On the other hand, depending =A0upon where you=
 want to put the transport address boundary, it is reasonable to think of o=
perations being directed to the MFD, which corresponds to the System, in wh=
ich case the service should be identified. Of course, this is inadequate if=
 there are multiple services of a given type in the same system. Bottom lin=
e, should operations identify the Service type?<u></u><u></u></div>

<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif"><u></u>=A0<u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font=
-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">With respect to IPP, should the =
multi service configuration look like A or B below? (or perhaps something e=
lse entirely?) Again, the modeling question is whether the service=A0 ident=
ification is included in the operation.<u></u><u></u></div>

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ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif">

IPP Multifunction A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
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=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 IPP Multifunction B<u></u><u>=
</u></div>

<div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif"><u></u>=A0<u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font=
-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></div><div =
style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-se=
rif">

Bill Wagner<u></u><u></u></div><div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-s=
ize:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u>=A0<u></u></div><div style=
=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=
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Ira,

On Jan 14, 2014, at 12:30 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> =
wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>=20
> I like your drawing and explanations.
>=20
> But conflating Input/Output Devices with Subunits (non-free-standing =
components of a Printer,=20
> Scanner, Copier, etc.) bothers me.  It doesn't cohere w/ the IETF Host =
Resources and Printer=20
> MIBs or the ISO 10175 DPA model (where subunits are all first-class =
objects).
>=20
> I suggest changing the common bottom solid line below Print Service to =
SCS to a shorter height
> block (than the service blocks) labelled "Shared Subunits (input tray, =
marker, etc.)" to clarify this
> distinction.

Devices are directly addressable in IPP (and the Semantic Model) to =
support fan-out, while subunits are not (subunits get used/addressed as =
a side effect of intent), so it is important to show devices in the =
diagram.  How about:

    -- -- Arbitrated Device/Subunit Access -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- =
-- -- -- --

          +- Device -+    +- Device -+       +- Device -+
          | Subunits |    | Subunits |  ...  | Subunits |
          +----------+    +----------+       +----------+

We can reference RFC 3805 for the definition of the different subunits, =
and we have already exposed some of them in the various IPP extensions =
(printer-supply, printer-input-tray, printer-output-tray, etc.)


> Historical Note:
>=20
> In the ISO 10175 DPA model, there is actually a top object of Server.  =
For consistency w/ IETF Host=20
> Resources and Printer MIBs, Pete and I renamed it from Server to =
System when I wrote the WIMS=20
> multifunction schema that Pete mostly adopted into the Semantic Model =
2.0 schema. =20
>=20
> The ISO DPA Control operation (all admin ops rolled into one command) =
has a target of Server=20
> (and can startup or shutdown an instance of a Logical Printer).

For Semantic Model the Object and Service are defined as separate =
entities, e.g., System Object and System Control Service.  But IPP =
defines the combination of the IPP Server and Service as a combined IPP =
object, e.g. IPP Printer object is the IPP Server and Print Service, IPP =
System object would be the IPP Server and System Control Service, etc.  =
I don't think there is a fundamental difference in the models that needs =
to be reconciled, just some words to document the difference in =
terminology and diagrams.

If we choose to make a distinction, the rightmost IPP Printer in my =
diagram could just be changed to IPP System.  But I think we should =
still use a "printer-uri" attribute to target the System Control =
Service, reusing as much as possible from RFC 2911.

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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after-white-space;">Ira,<div><br></div><div><div><div>On Jan 14, 2014, =
at 12:30 PM, Ira McDonald &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>Hi =
Mike,<br><br></div>I like your drawing and =
explanations.<br><br></div>But conflating Input/Output Devices with =
Subunits (non-free-standing components of a Printer, <br>Scanner, =
Copier, etc.) bothers me.&nbsp; It doesn't cohere w/ the IETF Host =
Resources and Printer <br>

MIBs or the ISO 10175 DPA model (where subunits are all first-class =
objects).<br><br></div>I suggest changing the common bottom solid line =
below Print Service to SCS to a shorter height<br></div>block (than the =
service blocks) labelled "Shared Subunits (input tray, marker, etc.)" to =
clarify this<br>

=
</div><div>distinction.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>De=
vices are directly addressable in IPP (and the Semantic Model) to =
support fan-out, while subunits are not (subunits get used/addressed as =
a side effect of intent), so it is important to show devices in the =
diagram. &nbsp;How about:</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; -- -- =
Arbitrated Device/Subunit Access -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- =
--</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +- Device =
-+ &nbsp; &nbsp;+- Device -+ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +- Device =
-+</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | Subunits | &nbsp; =
&nbsp;| Subunits | &nbsp;... &nbsp;| Subunits |</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +----------+ &nbsp; &nbsp;+----------+ &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; +----------+</div><div><div><div><br></div><div>We can =
reference RFC 3805 for the definition of the different subunits, and we =
have already exposed some of them in the various IPP extensions =
(printer-supply, printer-input-tray, printer-output-tray, =
etc.)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Historical Note:</div><div><br>In =
the ISO 10175 DPA model, there is actually a top object of Server.&nbsp; =
For consistency w/ IETF Host <br>Resources and Printer MIBs, Pete and I =
renamed it from Server to System when I wrote the WIMS <br>

multifunction schema that Pete mostly adopted into the Semantic Model =
2.0 schema.&nbsp; <br><br>The ISO DPA Control operation (all admin ops =
rolled into one command) has a target of Server <br>(and can startup or =
shutdown an instance of a Logical =
Printer).<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div>For Semantic =
Model the Object and Service are defined as separate entities, e.g., =
System Object and System Control Service. &nbsp;But IPP defines the =
combination of the IPP Server and Service as a combined IPP object, e.g. =
IPP Printer object is the IPP Server and Print Service, IPP System =
object would be the IPP Server and System Control Service, etc. &nbsp;I =
don't think there is a fundamental difference in the models that needs =
to be reconciled, just some words to document the difference in =
terminology and diagrams.</div><div><br></div><div>If we choose to make =
a distinction, the rightmost IPP Printer in my diagram could just be =
changed to IPP System. &nbsp;But I think we should still use a =
"printer-uri" attribute to target the System Control Service, reusing as =
much as possible from RFC 2911.</div><div><br></div><div><span =
style=3D"font-family: 'Andale Mono'; orphans: 2; text-align: =
-webkit-auto; widows: =
2;">_________________________________________________________</span><br><d=
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style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
'Andale Mono'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; =
text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;  "><div style=3D"word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space; ">Michael Sweet, Senior Printing =
System&nbsp;Engineer, PWG Chair</div></span></span>
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 15:03:14 -0500
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Hi Mike,

I agree with everything you said, including your diagram clarification
for Devices and Subunits.  In SM, Services do expose their associated
Subunits (we only partially do this in IPP Logical Printer at present), but
SCS actually controls the Subunits and their contained in the System
object.

Although I see the point of keeping "printer-uri" as the service endpoint,
I'm still sort of in favor of a new first-class IPP System object that is
the
endpoint for System Control Service (using "printer-uri" and "printer-xxx"
attributes as appropriate).  This seems a bit more intuitive, because
SCS is *not* just another Job service, but is strictly a Management
service.

My point with the ISO DPA and WIMS history was just to clarify the
where the terminology intersects.

So, a question.  Can an implementation of SCS (at some "ipp/ipps"
URI endpoint) also accept Print commands at the same endpoint?
I suggest yes, but could be argued out of this.  It partly has to do with
finding roll-up usage counters for all service instances from the SCS
somewhere on an IPP system.

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
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On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

> Ira,
>
> On Jan 14, 2014, at 12:30 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> I like your drawing and explanations.
>
> But conflating Input/Output Devices with Subunits (non-free-standing
> components of a Printer,
> Scanner, Copier, etc.) bothers me.  It doesn't cohere w/ the IETF Host
> Resources and Printer
> MIBs or the ISO 10175 DPA model (where subunits are all first-class
> objects).
>
> I suggest changing the common bottom solid line below Print Service to SCS
> to a shorter height
> block (than the service blocks) labelled "Shared Subunits (input tray,
> marker, etc.)" to clarify this
> distinction.
>
>
> Devices are directly addressable in IPP (and the Semantic Model) to
> support fan-out, while subunits are not (subunits get used/addressed as a
> side effect of intent), so it is important to show devices in the diagram.
>  How about:
>
>     -- -- Arbitrated Device/Subunit Access -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> -- -- -- --
>
>           +- Device -+    +- Device -+       +- Device -+
>           | Subunits |    | Subunits |  ...  | Subunits |
>           +----------+    +----------+       +----------+
>
> We can reference RFC 3805 for the definition of the different subunits,
> and we have already exposed some of them in the various IPP extensions
> (printer-supply, printer-input-tray, printer-output-tray, etc.)
>
>
> Historical Note:
>
> In the ISO 10175 DPA model, there is actually a top object of Server.  For
> consistency w/ IETF Host
> Resources and Printer MIBs, Pete and I renamed it from Server to System
> when I wrote the WIMS
> multifunction schema that Pete mostly adopted into the Semantic Model 2.0
> schema.
>
> The ISO DPA Control operation (all admin ops rolled into one command) has
> a target of Server
> (and can startup or shutdown an instance of a Logical Printer).
>
>
> For Semantic Model the Object and Service are defined as separate
> entities, e.g., System Object and System Control Service.  But IPP defines
> the combination of the IPP Server and Service as a combined IPP object,
> e.g. IPP Printer object is the IPP Server and Print Service, IPP System
> object would be the IPP Server and System Control Service, etc.  I don't
> think there is a fundamental difference in the models that needs to be
> reconciled, just some words to document the difference in terminology and
> diagrams.
>
> If we choose to make a distinction, the rightmost IPP Printer in my
> diagram could just be changed to IPP System.  But I think we should still
> use a "printer-uri" attribute to target the System Control Service, reusing
> as much as possible from RFC 2911.
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><di=
v><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Hi Mike,<br><br></div>I agree with eve=
rything you said, including your diagram clarification<br></div>for Devices=
 and Subunits.=A0 In SM, Services do expose their associated<br>

</div>Subunits (we only partially do this in IPP Logical Printer at present=
), but<br></div>SCS actually controls the Subunits and their contained in t=
he System<br></div>object.<br><br></div>Although I see the point of keeping=
 &quot;printer-uri&quot; as the service endpoint,<br>

</div>I&#39;m still sort of in favor of a new first-class IPP System object=
 that is the<br></div>endpoint for System Control Service (using &quot;prin=
ter-uri&quot; and &quot;printer-xxx&quot;<br>attributes as appropriate).=A0=
 This seems a bit more intuitive, because<br>

</div>SCS is *not* just another Job service, but is strictly a Management<b=
r></div>service.<br><br></div>My point with the ISO DPA and WIMS history wa=
s just to clarify the<br></div>where the terminology intersects.<br><br>

</div>So, a question.=A0 Can an implementation of SCS (at some &quot;ipp/ip=
ps&quot;<br></div>URI endpoint) also accept Print commands at the same endp=
oint?<br></div>I suggest yes, but could be argued out of this.=A0 It partly=
 has to do with<br>

</div>finding roll-up usage counters for all service instances from the SCS=
<br></div>somewhere on an IPP system.<br><br></div>Cheers,<br></div>- Ira<b=
r><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobi=
lity Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary=
 - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Pri=
nting Protocol WG<br>

IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music / High No=
rth Inc<br><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)" href=3D"http://sites.google.co=
m/site/blueroofmusic" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/bluero=
ofmusic</a><br>

<a style=3D"color:rgb(102,0,204)" href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/high=
northinc" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><b=
r>mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blue=
roofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>

Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094<br>Summer=
=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434<br><br><div style=
=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=3D"display:inline"></div><div style=3D=
"display:inline"></div>

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></div></div>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Michael=
 Sweet <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com" target=3D"=
_blank">msweet@apple.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex">

<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Ira,<div><br></div><div><div><div class=
=3D"im"><div>On Jan 14, 2014, at 12:30 PM, Ira McDonald &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>&g=
t; wrote:</div>

<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>Hi =
Mike,<br><br></div>I like your drawing and explanations.<br><br></div>But c=
onflating Input/Output Devices with Subunits (non-free-standing components =
of a Printer, <br>

Scanner, Copier, etc.) bothers me.=A0 It doesn&#39;t cohere w/ the IETF Hos=
t Resources and Printer <br>

MIBs or the ISO 10175 DPA model (where subunits are all first-class objects=
).<br><br></div>I suggest changing the common bottom solid line below Print=
 Service to SCS to a shorter height<br></div>block (than the service blocks=
) labelled &quot;Shared Subunits (input tray, marker, etc.)&quot; to clarif=
y this<br>



</div><div>distinction.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><d=
iv>Devices are directly addressable in IPP (and the Semantic Model) to supp=
ort fan-out, while subunits are not (subunits get used/addressed as a side =
effect of intent), so it is important to show devices in the diagram. =A0Ho=
w about:</div>

<div><br></div><div>=A0 =A0 -- -- Arbitrated Device/Subunit Access -- -- --=
 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --</div><div><br></div><div>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 +- Device -+ =A0 =A0+- Device -+ =A0 =A0 =A0 +- Device -+</div><div>=A0=
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 | Subunits | =A0 =A0| Subunits | =A0... =A0| Subunits |</d=
iv>

<div>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 +----------+ =A0 =A0+----------+ =A0 =A0 =A0 +----=
------+</div><div><div><div><br></div><div>We can reference RFC 3805 for th=
e definition of the different subunits, and we have already exposed some of=
 them in the various IPP extensions (printer-supply, printer-input-tray, pr=
inter-output-tray, etc.)</div>

<div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div class=3D"im"><blockquote typ=
e=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Historical Note:</div><div><br>In the ISO =
10175 DPA model, there is actually a top object of Server.=A0 For consisten=
cy w/ IETF Host <br>

Resources and Printer MIBs, Pete and I renamed it from Server to System whe=
n I wrote the WIMS <br>

multifunction schema that Pete mostly adopted into the Semantic Model 2.0 s=
chema.=A0 <br><br>The ISO DPA Control operation (all admin ops rolled into =
one command) has a target of Server <br>(and can startup or shutdown an ins=
tance of a Logical Printer).<br>

</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div></div>For Semantic Model the =
Object and Service are defined as separate entities, e.g., System Object an=
d System Control Service. =A0But IPP defines the combination of the IPP Ser=
ver and Service as a combined IPP object, e.g. IPP Printer object is the IP=
P Server and Print Service, IPP System object would be the IPP Server and S=
ystem Control Service, etc. =A0I don&#39;t think there is a fundamental dif=
ference in the models that needs to be reconciled, just some words to docum=
ent the difference in terminology and diagrams.</div>

<div><br></div><div>If we choose to make a distinction, the rightmost IPP P=
rinter in my diagram could just be changed to IPP System. =A0But I think we=
 should still use a &quot;printer-uri&quot; attribute to target the System =
Control Service, reusing as much as possible from RFC 2911.</div>

<div class=3D"im"><div><br></div><div><span style=3D"font-family:&#39;Andal=
e Mono&#39;;text-align:-webkit-auto">______________________________________=
___________________</span><br><div><span style=3D"border-collapse:separate;=
font-family:&#39;Andale Mono&#39;;border-spacing:0px"><span style=3D"text-i=
ndent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto=
;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;border-collapse:se=
parate;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;font-family:&#39;Andale Mono&=
#39;;word-spacing:0px"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">

Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System=A0Engineer, PWG Chair</div></span></s=
pan>
</div>
<br></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>

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Ira,

On Jan 14, 2014, at 3:03 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> =
wrote:
> ...So, a question.  Can an implementation of SCS (at some "ipp/ipps"
> URI endpoint) also accept Print commands at the same endpoint?
> I suggest yes, but could be argued out of this.  It partly has to do =
with
> finding roll-up usage counters for all service instances from the SCS
> somewhere on an IPP system.


Conceptually yes, although we would need to very carefully define this =
since ordinary users normally do not have access to the System Control =
Service, and you would need to define (or be able to define) the =
subordinate service that would receive the print jobs - this is =
especially important for systems with multiple marking engines =
(generally anything like CUPS).

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</div>So, a question.&nbsp; Can an implementation of SCS (at some =
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It partly has to do with<br>

</div>finding roll-up usage counters for all service instances from the =
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Hi Mike,

Although I agree that the answer is conceptually yes, it's yucky from the
point of view of attributes like "operations-supported".

Which is why I suggest we rule it out and say that an SCS has an endpoint
in an IPP System new first-class object (available ONLY to an Operator or
Administrator and never to an End User).  That actually matches the SM
definition of SCS much more faithfully and simplifies counter and diagnostic
attributes.

Cheers,
- Ira




Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
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On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

> Ira,
>
> On Jan 14, 2014, at 3:03 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ...
> So, a question.  Can an implementation of SCS (at some "ipp/ipps"
> URI endpoint) also accept Print commands at the same endpoint?
> I suggest yes, but could be argued out of this.  It partly has to do with
> finding roll-up usage counters for all service instances from the SCS
> somewhere on an IPP system.
>
>
> Conceptually yes, although we would need to very carefully define this
> since ordinary users normally do not have access to the System Control
> Service, and you would need to define (or be able to define) the
> subordinate service that would receive the print jobs - this is especially
> important for systems with multiple marking engines (generally anything
> like CUPS).
>
>  _________________________________________________________
> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
>
>

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actually matches the SM<br>

definition of SCS much more faithfully and simplifies counter and diagnosti=
c<br></div>attributes.<br><br></div>Cheers,<br></div>- Ira<br><br><div><div=
><div><br><br></div></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=
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<div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Co-Ch=
air - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Pr=
inting WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE=
-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>

IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music / High No=
rth Inc<br><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)" href=3D"http://sites.google.co=
m/site/blueroofmusic" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/bluero=
ofmusic</a><br>

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northinc" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><b=
r>mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blue=
roofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>

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=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434<br><br><div style=
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Michael=
 Sweet <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com" target=3D"=
_blank">msweet@apple.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
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<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Ira,<div><br><div><div>On Jan 14, 2014,=
 at 3:03 PM, Ira McDonald &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><blockquote typ=
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</div><div class=3D"im">So, a question.=A0 Can an implementation of SCS (at=
 some &quot;ipp/ipps&quot;<br></div></div><div class=3D"im">URI endpoint) a=
lso accept Print commands at the same endpoint?<br></div></div><div class=
=3D"im">

I suggest yes, but could be argued out of this.=A0 It partly has to do with=
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</div></div><div class=3D"im">finding roll-up usage counters for all servic=
e instances from the SCS<br></div></div><div class=3D"im">somewhere on an I=
PP system.<br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><di=
v>

Conceptually yes, although we would need to very carefully define this sinc=
e ordinary users normally do not have access to the System Control Service,=
 and you would need to define (or be able to define) the subordinate servic=
e that would receive the print jobs - this is especially important for syst=
ems with multiple marking engines (generally anything like CUPS).</div>

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_________________________________________________________<br>Michael Sweet,=
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Sorry to continue on this point, but by the SM2 definitions, a Device is "An
abstract object representing a hardware component that implements one or
more Imaging Services." And an Imaging Device is "A hardware entity that
supports one or more Imaging Services, including the System." The Semantic
Model does not include "devices" (except for "output device", which is a
very low level element). Subunits are part of the System Configuration (and
also Service(s) configuration). Considering that the Device corresponds to
the System and the Services are components of the System, don't understand
the comment "Devices are directly addressable in IPP (and the Semantic
Model)" which seems to suggest that devices are components of System
(assuming that there is some correlation between an IPP Printer and a
Semantic Model System.)

With respect to the question of can a System Control Service accept Print
commands, I understand that we are saying that all IPP commands are Print
commands. On the other hand, the Semantic Model is clear in that the SM SCS
"is not job oriented there are no Jobs coming in or output produced and
therefore no subordinate DefaultJobTicket or Capabilities." I suggest that,
from the SM viewpoint, the System Control Service provides access to System
elements, including control of System Services, but would not understand any
imaging command.

That is not to say that IPP cannot deviate from the Semantic Model, but
hopefully not without good reason. 

Thanks,
Bill Wagner

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Hi Mike,

I agree with everything you said, including your diagram clarification for
Devices and Subunits.  In SM, Services do expose their associated Subunits
(we only partially do this in IPP Logical Printer at present), but SCS
actually controls the Subunits and their contained in the System object.

Although I see the point of keeping "printer-uri" as the service endpoint,
I'm still sort of in favor of a new first-class IPP System object that is
the endpoint for System Control Service (using "printer-uri" and
"printer-xxx"
attributes as appropriate).  This seems a bit more intuitive, because SCS is
*not* just another Job service, but is strictly a Management service.

My point with the ISO DPA and WIMS history was just to clarify the where the
terminology intersects.

So, a question.  Can an implementation of SCS (at some "ipp/ipps"
URI endpoint) also accept Print commands at the same endpoint?
I suggest yes, but could be argued out of this.  It partly has to do with
finding roll-up usage counters for all service instances from the SCS
somewhere on an IPP system.

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility
Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO
Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
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On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

> Ira,
>
> On Jan 14, 2014, at 12:30 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> I like your drawing and explanations.
>
> But conflating Input/Output Devices with Subunits (non-free-standing 
> components of a Printer, Scanner, Copier, etc.) bothers me.  It 
> doesn't cohere w/ the IETF Host Resources and Printer MIBs or the ISO 
> 10175 DPA model (where subunits are all first-class objects).
>
> I suggest changing the common bottom solid line below Print Service to 
> SCS to a shorter height block (than the service blocks) labelled 
> "Shared Subunits (input tray, marker, etc.)" to clarify this 
> distinction.
>
>
> Devices are directly addressable in IPP (and the Semantic Model) to 
> support fan-out, while subunits are not (subunits get used/addressed 
> as a side effect of intent), so it is important to show devices in the
diagram.
>  How about:
>
>     -- -- Arbitrated Device/Subunit Access -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 
> --
> -- -- -- --
>
>           +- Device -+    +- Device -+       +- Device -+
>           | Subunits |    | Subunits |  ...  | Subunits |
>           +----------+    +----------+       +----------+
>
> We can reference RFC 3805 for the definition of the different 
> subunits, and we have already exposed some of them in the various IPP 
> extensions (printer-supply, printer-input-tray, printer-output-tray, 
> etc.)
>
>
> Historical Note:
>
> In the ISO 10175 DPA model, there is actually a top object of Server.  
> For consistency w/ IETF Host Resources and Printer MIBs, Pete and I 
> renamed it from Server to System when I wrote the WIMS multifunction 
> schema that Pete mostly adopted into the Semantic Model 2.0 schema.
>
> The ISO DPA Control operation (all admin ops rolled into one command) 
> has a target of Server (and can startup or shutdown an instance of a 
> Logical Printer).
>
>
> For Semantic Model the Object and Service are defined as separate 
> entities, e.g., System Object and System Control Service.  But IPP 
> defines the combination of the IPP Server and Service as a combined 
> IPP object, e.g. IPP Printer object is the IPP Server and Print 
> Service, IPP System object would be the IPP Server and System Control 
> Service, etc.  I don't think there is a fundamental difference in the 
> models that needs to be reconciled, just some words to document the 
> difference in terminology and diagrams.
>
> If we choose to make a distinction, the rightmost IPP Printer in my 
> diagram could just be changed to IPP System.  But I think we should 
> still use a "printer-uri" attribute to target the System Control 
> Service, reusing as much as possible from RFC 2911.
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
>
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Subject: [IPP] Updated draft of IPP Finishings 2.0 (FIN2) posted
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All,

I have posted an updated draft of the IPP Finishings 2.0 (FIN2) =
specification to:

    ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippfinishings20-20140116.docx
    ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippfinishings20-20140116.pdf
    ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippfinishings20-20140116-rev.pdf

Enjoy!

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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Agenda:
(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker
- Mike as minute taker?

(2) Defer approval of IPP minutes from previous meetings
 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20140113.pdf

(3) IPP Scan Service (Pete Zehler)
- <ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20130731-rev.pdf>
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-201301230.pdf
-- review after Cloud WG (20 January) and February PWG F2F

(4) Next steps
 - IPP/Cloud WG on Monday 27 January 2014 - review F2F slides
- IPP WG at PWG F2F on Wednesday 5 February 2014
 - IPP WG on Monday 3 March 2014 (Cloud WG on 17 February)

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
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http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
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- Mike as minute taker?<br>


</div><div><br>(2) Defer approval of <span><span><span><span><span><span><s=
pan class=3D"">IPP</span></span></span></span></span></span></span> minutes=
 from previous meetings<br>




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- <a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20=
140113.pdf" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-c=
oncall-minutes-20140113.pdf</a><br><div>
</div><br><div><div>(3) <span class=3D"">IPP</span> Scan Service (Pete Zehl=
er)<br>- <a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20=
130731-rev.pdf" target=3D"_blank"><span><span></span></span></a><a href=3D"=
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-201301230.pdf" target=3D"_bla=
nk">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/<span class=3D"">ipp</span>/wd/wd-ippscan10-2=
01301230.pdf</a><br>





</div><div>-- review after Cloud WG (20 January) and February PWG F2F<br></=
div><br>(4) Next steps<span><span></span></span></div><div><span></span></d=
iv><div><span></span>
</div><div>
</div><div>- <span><span class=3D"">IPP</span>/Cloud</span> <span>WG</span>=
 on Monday <span></span><span></span>27 January 2014 - review F2F slides<br=
></div><div>- <span><span class=3D"">IPP</span></span> <span>WG</span> at P=
WG F2F on Wednesday 5 February 2014<br>

</div>
<div>- <span class=3D"">IPP</span> WG on Monday 3 March 2014 (Cloud WG on 1=
7 February)<br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,<br></div>- Ira<br><br><br>=
<div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Co-Ch=
air - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>

Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer =
Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>=
IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music / High No=
rth Inc<br>

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All,

I have posted the minutes from today's Cloud and IPP WG conference calls =
to:

	=
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/minutes/cloud-concall-minutes-20140120.pdf=


Our next (joint) meeting is next Monday, January 27, 2014 at 3pm ET to =
go over F2F slides and finish reviewing IPP scan.

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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Subject: [IPP] Draft slides for February F2F posted...
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All,

I have posted draft slides for the February 2014 face-to-face meeting to:

	ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/slides/ipp-wg-agenda-february-14d1.pdf

For review at Monday's conference call...

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Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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Greetings,

I came across a scenario that I think needs characterization in the =
implementor=92s guide.  The scenario is this: a Printer has IPPS enabled =
but conventional IPP disabled, and it receives a =93conventional=94 HTTP =
connection from a client.  How should the printer respond?

I am thinking that, if the Client sends an HTTP/1.1 Expect header, then =
that is covered in the guide already (wd-ippig20-20140108.pdf section =
8.1): the Printer responds with an HTTP 426 Upgrade to upgrade the =
connection.  But if the Client does not use the HTTP/1.1 Expect header, =
I=92m not sure what we should recommend the printer to do.

I=92m also not sure whether this is really a legitimate scenario.  If =
there are some operations that should never require TLS or any form of =
authentication (the two are related but not the same) then perhaps the =
Client will not be upgraded right away, and then will not be expecting a =
later upgrade, and may leak information =93accidentally=94.  For =
instance, if the Client does a Get-Printer-Attributes operation request =
that includes the HTTP/1.1 Expect header, it may get back a HTTP 100 =
Continue.  If it switches to a different operation, like Validate-Job or =
Create-Job, I think it should once again include the HTTP/1.1 Expect =
header.  This specific recommendation detail is currently not covered in =
wd-ippig20-20140108.pdf section 8.

Am I off in the weeds?  This seems to me like a legitimate concern.  If =
I was a new Client implementor, I=92d want to know at what points in the =
algorithms we cover in section 4 I should be sending an HTTP/1.1 Expect, =
what points I should be expecting a redirect before sending potentially =
sensitive information on the wire, etc.

Thanks for any thoughts and feedback!  I=92ll update section 8.1 to try =
to cover this in my next revision (hopefully posted tomorrow).

Smith

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Smith,

On Jan 24, 2014, at 12:24 AM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) <smith.ke=
nnedy@hp.com> wrote:
> Greetings,
> =

> I came across a scenario that I think needs characterization in the imple=
mentor=92s guide.  The scenario is this: a Printer has IPPS enabled but con=
ventional IPP disabled, and it receives a =93conventional=94 HTTP connectio=
n from a client.  How should the printer respond?

A HTTP sever can return a 426 status with or without the Expect: 100-contin=
ue header in the request.  This is already covered in RFC 2817.

Clients that do not support TLS Upgrade will simply treat the 426 status as=
 a hard error.

> ...
> I=92m also not sure whether this is really a legitimate scenario.  If the=
re are some operations that should never require TLS or any form of authent=
ication (the two are related but not the same) then perhaps the Client will=
 not be upgraded right away, and then will not be expecting a later upgrade=
, and may leak information =93accidentally=94.  For instance, if the Client=
 does a Get-Printer-Attributes operation request that includes the HTTP/1.1=
 Expect header, it may get back a HTTP 100 Continue.  If it switches to a d=
ifferent operation, like Validate-Job or Create-Job, I think it should once=
 again include the HTTP/1.1 Expect header.  This specific recommendation de=
tail is currently not covered in wd-ippig20-20140108.pdf section 8.

Yes, the Client should always send Expect: 100-continue unless it knows the=
 Printer does not support it (which is buggy behavior anyways, but ...)

> Am I off in the weeds?  This seems to me like a legitimate concern.  If I=
 was a new Client implementor, I=92d want to know at what points in the alg=
orithms we cover in section 4 I should be sending an HTTP/1.1 Expect, what =
points I should be expecting a redirect before sending potentially sensitiv=
e information on the wire, etc.

It goes beyond TLS - some IPP operations may require authentication, others=
 may not depending on the policy configured in the Printer.  So Clients sho=
uld always include the Expect header unless they know the Printer does not =
support it, and that allows the correct things to happen without leaking in=
formation the Server wants to be confidential based on its configuration.

Clients, of course, should probably always support TLS and always include t=
he Upgrade header indicating their willingness to upgrade to TLS, at a mini=
mum.  And there should be a preference for IPPS when the Printer supports b=
oth IPP and IPPS (or at least a way to select that, given the overhead of T=
LS...)

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair

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Thanks for your reply Mike!

To try to be more concise, should IPPIGv2 include Printer =
recommendations to prevent or stop an imprudent Client from sending  =
=93sensitive information=94 in the clear before the Printer can respond =
with a 426 Upgrade?

I do understand that HTTP/1.1 Expect isn=92t required for an upgrade.  =
If the Client included the HTTP/1.1 Expect header, the Printer could =
reply early with a 426 before the sensitive information hit the wire.

> It goes beyond TLS - some IPP operations may require authentication, =
others may not depending on the policy configured in the Printer.  So =
Clients should always include the Expect header unless they know the =
Printer does not support it, and that allows the correct things to =
happen without leaking information the Server wants to be confidential =
based on its configuration.

Right! I was thinking about that as well this morning.  Should there be =
yet another attribute like =93ipp-operations-requiring-tls=94?  (Or if =
we really want to shoot down the rabbit hole, =
=93ipp-operations-security-policy-col=94? Gack=85)  Is there anything =
like this in the SM?


Smith



On 2014-01-24, at 9:31 AM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

> Smith,
>=20
> On Jan 24, 2014, at 12:24 AM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) =
<smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:
>> Greetings,
>>=20
>> I came across a scenario that I think needs characterization in the =
implementor=92s guide.  The scenario is this: a Printer has IPPS enabled =
but conventional IPP disabled, and it receives a =93conventional=94 HTTP =
connection from a client.  How should the printer respond?
>=20
> A HTTP sever can return a 426 status with or without the Expect: =
100-continue header in the request.  This is already covered in RFC =
2817.
>=20
> Clients that do not support TLS Upgrade will simply treat the 426 =
status as a hard error.
>=20
>> ...
>> I=92m also not sure whether this is really a legitimate scenario.  If =
there are some operations that should never require TLS or any form of =
authentication (the two are related but not the same) then perhaps the =
Client will not be upgraded right away, and then will not be expecting a =
later upgrade, and may leak information =93accidentally=94.  For =
instance, if the Client does a Get-Printer-Attributes operation request =
that includes the HTTP/1.1 Expect header, it may get back a HTTP 100 =
Continue.  If it switches to a different operation, like Validate-Job or =
Create-Job, I think it should once again include the HTTP/1.1 Expect =
header.  This specific recommendation detail is currently not covered in =
wd-ippig20-20140108.pdf section 8.
>=20
> Yes, the Client should always send Expect: 100-continue unless it =
knows the Printer does not support it (which is buggy behavior anyways, =
but ...)
>=20
>> Am I off in the weeds?  This seems to me like a legitimate concern.  =
If I was a new Client implementor, I=92d want to know at what points in =
the algorithms we cover in section 4 I should be sending an HTTP/1.1 =
Expect, what points I should be expecting a redirect before sending =
potentially sensitive information on the wire, etc.
>=20
> It goes beyond TLS - some IPP operations may require authentication, =
others may not depending on the policy configured in the Printer.  So =
Clients should always include the Expect header unless they know the =
Printer does not support it, and that allows the correct things to =
happen without leaking information the Server wants to be confidential =
based on its configuration.
>=20
> Clients, of course, should probably always support TLS and always =
include the Upgrade header indicating their willingness to upgrade to =
TLS, at a minimum.  And there should be a preference for IPPS when the =
Printer supports both IPP and IPPS (or at least a way to select that, =
given the overhead of TLS...)
>=20
> _________________________________________________________
> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
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Subject: Re: [IPP] implementor's guide recommendation for Printer with IPPS enabled but conventional IPP disabled should respond
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Smith,

On Jan 24, 2014, at 2:54 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) <smith.ken=
nedy@hp.com> wrote:
> Thanks for your reply Mike!
> =

> To try to be more concise, should IPPIGv2 include Printer recommendations=
 to prevent or stop an imprudent Client from sending  =93sensitive informat=
ion=94 in the clear before the Printer can respond with a 426 Upgrade?

There isn't much you can do beside advertise only IPPS with any discovery p=
rotocol or directory service.

> I do understand that HTTP/1.1 Expect isn=92t required for an upgrade.  If=
 the Client included the HTTP/1.1 Expect header, the Printer could reply ea=
rly with a 426 before the sensitive information hit the wire.

Exactly.  I think we need to document both the best practices and recovery =
strategies for common issues in the IIG2.

>> It goes beyond TLS - some IPP operations may require authentication, oth=
ers may not depending on the policy configured in the Printer.  So Clients =
should always include the Expect header unless they know the Printer does n=
ot support it, and that allows the correct things to happen without leaking=
 information the Server wants to be confidential based on its configuration.
> =

> Right! I was thinking about that as well this morning.  Should there be y=
et another attribute like =93ipp-operations-requiring-tls=94?  (Or if we re=
ally want to shoot down the rabbit hole, =93ipp-operations-security-policy-=
col=94? Gack=85)  Is there anything like this in the SM?

Nothing yet, but the IDS workgroup has, as part of its charter, a mandate t=
o define policy mechanisms.  This may lead to a corresponding IPP binding s=
pec in the future.

But regardless, IPP and HTTP already provide the necessary infrastructure f=
or a Printer to enforce and a Client to respond to policy requirements for =
authentication, access control, and confidentiality.  That is enough for th=
e IIG2...

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Greetings,

A new draft of the IPP Implementor=92s Guide v2.0 has been posted for revie=
w.  It is available here:

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippig20-20140124.pdf
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippig20-20140124.docx
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippig20-20140124-rev.pdf

or here:

http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippig20-20140124.pdf
http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippig20-20140124.docx
http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippig20-20140124-rev.pdf

We left off our last review at what is now section 9 =93Security=94.  Pleas=
e send feedback or contributions on the TBD areas to the reflector or to me=
 directly.

Cheers!
Smith

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All,

I have posted an updated draft of the IPP Self-Certification Manual 1.0 to:

	ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippselfcert10-20140124.docx
	ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippselfcert10-20140124.pdf
	ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippselfcert10-20140124-rev.pdf

For discussion at the F2F.

Note: I have not yet posted a beta of the tools; hopefully I will get a chance to sync up with the document changes before the F2F and post them...

_________________________________________________________
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Hi,

Fractured filenames in Mike's links.  Corrected below.

Cheers,
- Ira

On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> I have posted an updated draft of the IPP Self-Certification Manual 1.0 to:
>
> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20140124.docx
>  ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20140124.pdf
>  ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20140124-rev.pdf
>
> For discussion at the F2F.
>
> Note: I have not yet posted a beta of the tools; hopefully I will get a
> chance to sync up with the document changes before the F2F and post them...
>
>  _________________________________________________________
> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi,<br><br></div>Fractured filenames in Mike&#39;s li=
nks.=A0 Corrected below.<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all">
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Cheers,<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra=
">- Ira<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Michael Sweet <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com" target=3D"_blank">msweet@apple.com</a>&gt;</s=
pan> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">All,<div=
><br></div><div>I have posted an updated draft of the IPP Self-Certificatio=
n Manual 1.0 to:</div>

<div><br></div><div><div><span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap">	</span><a hr=
ef=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20140124.docx" t=
arget=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20140=
124.docx</a></div>

</div><div><div><span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap">	</span><a href=3D"ftp=
://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20140124.pdf" target=3D"_=
blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20140124.pdf</a=
></div>

</div><div><div><span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap">	</span><a href=3D"ftp=
://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20140124-rev.pdf" target=
=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20140124-r=
ev.pdf</a></div>

</div><div><br></div><div>For discussion at the F2F.</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>Note: I have not yet posted a beta of the tools; hopefully I will get a =
chance to sync up with the document changes before the F2F and post them...=
</div>

<div><br></div><div><div>
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_________________________________________________________<br>Michael Sweet,=
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All,
I have posted an updated version of "IPP Scan Service" that is ready for th=
e Face to Face review.  Please review the clean version of the pdf. You can=
 hold your comments for the meeting or send them to the IPP mail list.

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140127.pdf
http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140127.pdf


ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140127.docx
http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140127.docx

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140127-rev.pdf
http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140127-rev.pdf

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140127-rev.docx
http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140127-rev.docx



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I am heavily working with the scan service these days.
So my note comes out of that effort.
But I think this is a rather general question after all.

A service is typically quite a complex object.
A name that identifies a service on the highest level would in many cases =
=
ease the management and debugging of functionality that deals with services.
And if I had more than one service in my scan service xml instance I'd =
prefer one to be the default (services have their own defaults, but a =
service itself cannot be the default within a services group).

I helped myself by adding a vendor extension (a simple attribute) to the =
ScanServices and ScanService objects.

I could even imagine to add an ID attribute to a ScanService object and an =
=
IDREF attribute to the ScanServices object.
But I can't really do that with vendor extensions.

Just wondering if other people also feel that a named service and a default=
 =
reference to such a named service might improve the situation.
Regards
Norbert


Norbert Schade
Systems Engineer (printing)
Imaging Solutions
Conexant Systems, Inc.
201 Jones Road
Waltham, MA 02451
U.S.A.
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(printing)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Imaging =
Solutions<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Conexant Systems, =
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Norbert,

Doesn't the existing IPP printer-name attribute (SM ServiceName element) =
already provide this?


On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Norbert Schade =
<Norbert.Schade@conexant.com> wrote:

> I am heavily working with the scan service these days.
> So my note comes out of that effort.
> But I think this is a rather general question after all.
> =20
> A service is typically quite a complex object.
> A name that identifies a service on the highest level would in many =
cases ease the management and debugging of functionality that deals with =
services.
> And if I had more than one service in my scan service xml instance I=92d=
 prefer one to be the default (services have their own defaults, but a =
service itself cannot be the default within a services group).
> =20
> I helped myself by adding a vendor extension (a simple attribute) to =
the ScanServices and ScanService objects.
> =20
> I could even imagine to add an ID attribute to a ScanService object =
and an IDREF attribute to the ScanServices object.
> But I can=92t really do that with vendor extensions.
> =20
> Just wondering if other people also feel that a named service and a =
default reference to such a named service might improve the situation.
> Regards
> Norbert
> =20
> =20
> Norbert Schade
> Systems Engineer (printing)
> Imaging Solutions
> Conexant Systems, Inc.
> 201 Jones Road
> Waltham, MA 02451
> U.S.A.
> Tel: 1-781-370-8929
> Email: norbert.schade@conexant.com
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after-white-space;">Norbert,<div><br></div><div>Doesn't the existing IPP =
printer-name attribute (SM ServiceName element) already provide =
this?</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:03 =
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class=3D"MsoNormal">A name that identifies a service on the highest =
level would in many cases ease the management and debugging of =
functionality that deals with services.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">And if I had more than one service in my scan =
service xml instance I=92d prefer one to be the default (services have =
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class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I helped =
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attribute to the ScanServices object.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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extensions.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Just wondering if other people also feel that a =
named service and a default reference to such a named service might =
improve the situation.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert =
Schade<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Systems Engineer =
(printing)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Imaging =
Solutions<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Conexant Systems, =
Inc.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">201 Jones =
Road<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Waltham, MA =
02451<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">U.S.A.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Tel: 1-781-370-8929<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Email: <a =
href=3D"mailto:norbert.schade@conexant.com"><span =
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There's always the chance that I misinterpret something.
But the excerpt below is from the ScanService.xsd schema. I can't find anyt=
hing that looks like what you have in mind.
And so far I think I'm looking at the right object.

                <!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services -->
                <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServicesType">
                                <xs:sequence>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
ice" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
                                </xs:sequence>
                                <xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D"##other" proc=
essContents=3D"lax"/>
                                <!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services --=
>
                </xs:complexType>
                <xs:element name=3D"ScanServices" type=3D"ScanServicesType"=
/>
                <!-- ScanService - object -->
                <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServiceBaseType">
                                <xs:sequence>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceCapabilities" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceCapabilitiesReady" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceConfiguration" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceDefaults" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceDescription"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceStatus"/>
                                                <xs:any namespace=3D"##othe=
r" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
                                </xs:sequence>
                                <xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D"##other" proc=
essContents=3D"lax"/>
                                <!-- ScanService - object -->
                </xs:complexType>
                <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServiceType">
                                <xs:complexContent>
                                                <xs:extension base=3D"ScanS=
erviceBaseType">
                                                                <xs:sequenc=
e>
                                                                           =
     <xs:element name=3D"JobTable">
                                                                           =
                     <xs:complexType>
                                                                           =
                                     <xs:sequence>
                                                                           =
                                                     <xs:element name=3D"Ac=
tiveJobs" type=3D"ScanJobsType"/>
                                                                           =
                                                     <xs:element name=3D"Jo=
bHistory" type=3D"ScanJobsType" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                                           =
                                                     <xs:any namespace=3D"#=
#other" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
                                                                           =
                                     </xs:sequence>
                                                                           =
                     </xs:complexType>
                                                                           =
     </xs:element>
                                                                </xs:sequen=
ce>
                                                </xs:extension>
                                </xs:complexContent>
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                <xs:element name=3D"ScanService" type=3D"ScanServiceType"/>

From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:18 PM
To: Norbert Schade
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] named services

Norbert,

Doesn't the existing IPP printer-name attribute (SM ServiceName element) al=
ready provide this?


On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Norbert Schade <Norbert.Schade@conexant.com<m=
ailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com>> wrote:


I am heavily working with the scan service these days.
So my note comes out of that effort.
But I think this is a rather general question after all.

A service is typically quite a complex object.
A name that identifies a service on the highest level would in many cases e=
ase the management and debugging of functionality that deals with services.
And if I had more than one service in my scan service xml instance I'd pref=
er one to be the default (services have their own defaults, but a service i=
tself cannot be the default within a services group).

I helped myself by adding a vendor extension (a simple attribute) to the Sc=
anServices and ScanService objects.

I could even imagine to add an ID attribute to a ScanService object and an =
IDREF attribute to the ScanServices object.
But I can't really do that with vendor extensions.

Just wondering if other people also feel that a named service and a default=
 reference to such a named service might improve the situation.
Regards
Norbert


Norbert Schade
Systems Engineer (printing)
Imaging Solutions
Conexant Systems, Inc.
201 Jones Road
Waltham, MA 02451
U.S.A.
Tel: 1-781-370-8929
Email: norbert.schade@conexant.com<mailto:norbert.schade@conexant.com>


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 class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:ele=
ment name=3D&quot;ScanService&quot; type=3D&quot;ScanServiceType&quot;/&gt;=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #=
B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><sp=
an style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Michael Sw=
eet [mailto:msweet@apple.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 12:=
18 PM<br><b>To:</b> Norbert Schade<br><b>Cc:</b> ipp@pwg.org<br><b>Subject:=
</b> Re: [IPP] named services<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DM=
soNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Norbert,<o:p></o:p></p><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al>Doesn't the existing IPP printer-name attribute (SM ServiceName element)=
 already provide this?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Norbert Schade &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com">Norbert.Schade@conexant.com</a=
>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></=
p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I am heavily working with the scan service thes=
e days.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>So my note comes out of that eff=
ort.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>But I think this is a rather genera=
l question after all.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p><=
/p><p class=3DMsoNormal>A service is typically quite a complex object.<o:p>=
</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>A name that identifies a service on the high=
est level would in many cases ease the management and debugging of function=
ality that deals with services.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>And if I=
 had more than one service in my scan service xml instance I&#8217;d prefer=
 one to be the default (services have their own defaults, but a service its=
elf cannot be the default within a services group).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I helped myself by a=
dding a vendor extension (a simple attribute) to the ScanServices and ScanS=
ervice objects.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I could even imagine to add an ID attribute to a ScanServ=
ice object and an IDREF attribute to the ScanServices object.<o:p></o:p></p=
><p class=3DMsoNormal>But I can&#8217;t really do that with vendor extensio=
ns.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal>Just wondering if other people also feel that a named service and a d=
efault reference to such a named service might improve the situation.<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Regards<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>No=
rbert<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMs=
oNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Norbert Schade<o:p></o:p>=
</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Systems Engineer (printing)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>Imaging Solutions<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Conexant =
Systems, Inc.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>201 Jones Road<o:p></o:p><=
/p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Waltham, MA 02451<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l>U.S.A.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Tel: 1-781-370-8929<o:p></o:p><=
/p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Email: <a href=3D"mailto:norbert.schade@conexant.co=
m">norbert.schade@conexant.com</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp=
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Hi Norbert,

In the "ServiceTypes.xsd" file, you'll find "ServiceName" which (for an IPP
Scan service)
should map one-to-one to IPP printer-name.

The base "ImagingServiceXxx" classes are in "ServiceTypes.xsd", including
(for name)
"ImagingServiceDescriptionType" used in "ScanServiceDescription"

OK?

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
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On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Norbert Schade <
Norbert.Schade@conexant.com> wrote:

> There=92s always the chance that I misinterpret something.
>
> But the excerpt below is from the ScanService.xsd schema. I can=92t find
> anything that looks like what you have in mind.
>
> And so far I think I=92m looking at the right object.
>
>
>
>                 <!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services -->
>
>                 <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServicesType">
>
>                                 <xs:sequence>
>
>                                                 <xs:element
> ref=3D"ScanService" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
>
>                                 </xs:sequence>
>
>                                 <xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D"##other"
> processContents=3D"lax"/>
>
>                                 <!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services
> -->
>
>                 </xs:complexType>
>
>                 <xs:element name=3D"ScanServices" type=3D"ScanServicesTyp=
e"/>
>
>                 <!-- ScanService - object -->
>
>                 <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServiceBaseType">
>
>                                 <xs:sequence>
>
>                                                 <xs:element
> ref=3D"ScanServiceCapabilities" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
>
>                                                 <xs:element
> ref=3D"ScanServiceCapabilitiesReady" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
>
>                                                 <xs:element
> ref=3D"ScanServiceConfiguration" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
>
>                                                 <xs:element
> ref=3D"ScanServiceDefaults" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
>
>                                                 <xs:element
> ref=3D"ScanServiceDescription"/>
>
>                                                 <xs:element
> ref=3D"ScanServiceStatus"/>
>
>                                                 <xs:any
> namespace=3D"##other" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
>
>                                 </xs:sequence>
>
>                                 <xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D"##other"
> processContents=3D"lax"/>
>
>                                 <!-- ScanService - object -->
>
>                 </xs:complexType>
>
>                 <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServiceType">
>
>                                 <xs:complexContent>
>
>                                                 <xs:extension
> base=3D"ScanServiceBaseType">
>
>
> <xs:sequence>
>
>
> <xs:element name=3D"JobTable">
>
>
> <xs:complexType>
>
>
> <xs:sequence>
>
>
> <xs:element name=3D"ActiveJobs" type=3D"ScanJobsType"/>
>
>
> <xs:element name=3D"JobHistory" type=3D"ScanJobsType" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
>
>
> <xs:any namespace=3D"##other" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
>
>
> </xs:sequence>
>
>
> </xs:complexType>
>
>
> </xs:element>
>
>
> </xs:sequence>
>
>                                                 </xs:extension>
>
>                                 </xs:complexContent>
>
>                 </xs:complexType>
>
>                 <xs:element name=3D"ScanService" type=3D"ScanServiceType"=
/>
>
>
>
> *From:* Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, January 27, 2014 12:18 PM
> *To:* Norbert Schade
> *Cc:* ipp@pwg.org
> *Subject:* Re: [IPP] named services
>
>
>
> Norbert,
>
>
>
> Doesn't the existing IPP printer-name attribute (SM ServiceName element)
> already provide this?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Norbert Schade <Norbert.Schade@conexant.com=
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I am heavily working with the scan service these days.
>
> So my note comes out of that effort.
>
> But I think this is a rather general question after all.
>
>
>
> A service is typically quite a complex object.
>
> A name that identifies a service on the highest level would in many cases
> ease the management and debugging of functionality that deals with servic=
es.
>
> And if I had more than one service in my scan service xml instance I=92d
> prefer one to be the default (services have their own defaults, but a
> service itself cannot be the default within a services group).
>
>
>
> I helped myself by adding a vendor extension (a simple attribute) to the
> ScanServices and ScanService objects.
>
>
>
> I could even imagine to add an ID attribute to a ScanService object and a=
n
> IDREF attribute to the ScanServices object.
>
> But I can=92t really do that with vendor extensions.
>
>
>
> Just wondering if other people also feel that a named service and a
> default reference to such a named service might improve the situation.
>
> Regards
>
> Norbert
>
>
>
>
>
> Norbert Schade
>
> Systems Engineer (printing)
>
> Imaging Solutions
>
> Conexant Systems, Inc.
>
> 201 Jones Road
>
> Waltham, MA 02451
>
> U.S.A.
>
> Tel: 1-781-370-8929
>
> Email: norbert.schade@conexant.com
>
>
>
> Conexant E-mail Firewall (Conexant.Com) made the following annotations
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div>Hi Norbert,<br><br></div>In =
the &quot;ServiceTypes.xsd&quot; file, you&#39;ll find &quot;ServiceName&qu=
ot; which (for an IPP Scan service)<br></div>should map one-to-one to IPP p=
rinter-name.<br>

<br></div>The base &quot;ImagingServiceXxx&quot; classes are in  &quot;Serv=
iceTypes.xsd&quot;, including (for name)<br>&quot;ImagingServiceDescription=
Type&quot; used in &quot;ScanServiceDescription&quot;<br><br></div>OK?<br>

<br></div>Cheers,<br></div>- Ira<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><b=
r clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Arc=
hitect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux Fo=
undation Open Printing WG<br>

Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Int=
ernet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MI=
B<br>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)" =
href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target=3D"_blank">http:=
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Norber=
t Schade <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">Norbert.Schade@conexant.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-US"><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">There=92s always the chance that I misint=
erpret something.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"color:#1f497d">But the excerpt below is from the ScanService.xsd schem=
a. I can=92t find anything that looks like what you have in mind.<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">And so far I think I=
=92m looking at the right object.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">

<span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
 &lt;!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services --&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:complexType name=3D&quot;ScanServicesType&q=
uot;&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &l=
t;xs:sequence&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanService&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot=
;0&quot; maxOccurs=3D&quot;unbounded&quot;/&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &l=
t;/xs:sequence&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D&qu=
ot;##other&quot; processContents=3D&quot;lax&quot;/&gt;<u></u><u></u></span=
></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &l=
t;!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services --&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;/xs:complexType&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:element name=3D&quot;ScanServices&quot; typ=
e=3D&quot;ScanServicesType&quot;/&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;!-- ScanService - object --&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:complexType name=3D&quot;ScanServiceBaseTyp=
e&quot;&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"c=
olor:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:sequence&gt;<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;Sc=
anServiceCapabilities&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot;/&gt;<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">

<span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanServiceCapabilitiesRea=
dy&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot;/&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanServiceCon=
figuration&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot;/&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;Sc=
anServiceDefaults&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot;/&gt;<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">

<span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanServiceDescription&quo=
t;/&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color=
:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0 &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanServiceStatus&quot;/&gt;<u></u><u></u></=
span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:any namespace=3D&quot;=
##other&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot; maxOccurs=3D&quot;unbounded&quot;/&=
gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &l=
t;/xs:sequence&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D&qu=
ot;##other&quot; processContents=3D&quot;lax&quot;/&gt;<u></u><u></u></span=
></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &l=
t;!-- ScanService - object --&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 &lt;/xs:complexType&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:complexType name=3D&quot;ScanServiceType&qu=
ot;&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color=
:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:complexContent&gt;<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:extension base=3D&quot=
;ScanServiceBaseType&quot;&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &l=
t;xs:sequence&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:e=
lement name=3D&quot;JobTable&quot;&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:complexType&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:sequence&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal">

<span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:element name=3D&quot;ActiveJobs=
&quot; type=3D&quot;ScanJobsType&quot;/&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
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=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:element=
 name=3D&quot;JobHistory&quot; type=3D&quot;ScanJobsType&quot; minOccurs=3D=
&quot;0&quot;/&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
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=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:any nam=
espace=3D&quot;##other&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot; maxOccurs=3D&quot;un=
bounded&quot;/&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
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=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;/xs:sequence&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
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t-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&qu=
ot;"> Michael Sweet [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com" target=3D"_=
blank">msweet@apple.com</a>] <br>

<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 12:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> Norbert Schade=
<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org" target=3D"_blank">ipp@pwg.org=
</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] named services<u></u><u></u></span></p></=
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</div><div><div class=3D"h5"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<u></u>=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Doesn&#39;t the exis=
ting IPP printer-name attribute (SM ServiceName element) already provide th=
is?<u></u><u></u></p>

</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Jan=
 27, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Norbert Schade &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Norbert.Schade=
@conexant.com" target=3D"_blank">Norbert.Schade@conexant.com</a>&gt; wrote:=
<u></u><u></u></p>

</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">I am heavily working with the scan service these days.<u></u><u></u=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">So my note comes out of that effort.<u></u><u><=
/u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">But I think this is a rather general question after =
all.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">A service is typically quite a complex object.<u></u><u></u>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">
A name that identifies a service on the highest level would in many cases e=
ase the management and debugging of functionality that deals with services.=
<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">And if I had more than one service=
 in my scan service xml instance I=92d prefer one to be the default (servic=
es have their own defaults, but a service itself cannot be the default with=
in a services group).<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I helped=
 myself by adding a vendor extension (a simple attribute) to the ScanServic=
es and ScanService objects.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u><=
/u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I could even imagine to add an ID attribute to a Sca=
nService object and an IDREF attribute to the ScanServices object.<u></u><u=
></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">But I can=92t really do that with vendor ex=
tensions.<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Just won=
dering if other people also feel that a named service and a default referen=
ce to such a named service might improve the situation.<u></u><u></u></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal">

Regards<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert<u></u><u></u></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u>=
<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert Schade<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">

Systems Engineer (printing)<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Imaging=
 Solutions<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Conexant Systems, Inc.<u=
></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">201 Jones Road<u></u><u></u></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">

Waltham, MA 02451<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">U.S.A.<u></u><u><=
/u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Tel: <a href=3D"tel:1-781-370-8929" value=3D"=
+17813708929" target=3D"_blank">1-781-370-8929</a><u></u><u></u></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">

Email: <a href=3D"mailto:norbert.schade@conexant.com" target=3D"_blank">nor=
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Ok, found a ServiceName under ImagingServiceDescriptionType.
I guess that will help me with the name.

You have another idea how to make one of many services the default?

From: Norbert Schade
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:41 PM
To: 'Michael Sweet'
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: RE: [IPP] named services

There's always the chance that I misinterpret something.
But the excerpt below is from the ScanService.xsd schema. I can't find anyt=
hing that looks like what you have in mind.
And so far I think I'm looking at the right object.

                <!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services -->
                <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServicesType">
                                <xs:sequence>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
ice" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
                                </xs:sequence>
                                <xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D"##other" proc=
essContents=3D"lax"/>
                                <!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services --=
>
                </xs:complexType>
                <xs:element name=3D"ScanServices" type=3D"ScanServicesType"=
/>
                <!-- ScanService - object -->
                <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServiceBaseType">
                                <xs:sequence>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceCapabilities" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceCapabilitiesReady" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceConfiguration" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceDefaults" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceDescription"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceStatus"/>
                                                <xs:any namespace=3D"##othe=
r" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
                                </xs:sequence>
                                <xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D"##other" proc=
essContents=3D"lax"/>
                                <!-- ScanService - object -->
                </xs:complexType>
                <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServiceType">
                                <xs:complexContent>
                                                <xs:extension base=3D"ScanS=
erviceBaseType">
                                                                <xs:sequenc=
e>
                                                                           =
     <xs:element name=3D"JobTable">
                                                                           =
                     <xs:complexType>
                                                                           =
                                     <xs:sequence>
                                                                           =
                                                     <xs:element name=3D"Ac=
tiveJobs" type=3D"ScanJobsType"/>
                                                                           =
                                                     <xs:element name=3D"Jo=
bHistory" type=3D"ScanJobsType" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                                           =
                                                     <xs:any namespace=3D"#=
#other" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
                                                                           =
                                     </xs:sequence>
                                                                           =
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                                                                           =
     </xs:element>
                                                                </xs:sequen=
ce>
                                                </xs:extension>
                                </xs:complexContent>
                </xs:complexType>
                <xs:element name=3D"ScanService" type=3D"ScanServiceType"/>

From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:18 PM
To: Norbert Schade
Cc: ipp@pwg.org<mailto:ipp@pwg.org>
Subject: Re: [IPP] named services

Norbert,

Doesn't the existing IPP printer-name attribute (SM ServiceName element) al=
ready provide this?


On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Norbert Schade <Norbert.Schade@conexant.com<m=
ailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com>> wrote:

I am heavily working with the scan service these days.
So my note comes out of that effort.
But I think this is a rather general question after all.

A service is typically quite a complex object.
A name that identifies a service on the highest level would in many cases e=
ase the management and debugging of functionality that deals with services.
And if I had more than one service in my scan service xml instance I'd pref=
er one to be the default (services have their own defaults, but a service i=
tself cannot be the default within a services group).

I helped myself by adding a vendor extension (a simple attribute) to the Sc=
anServices and ScanService objects.

I could even imagine to add an ID attribute to a ScanService object and an =
IDREF attribute to the ScanServices object.
But I can't really do that with vendor extensions.

Just wondering if other people also feel that a named service and a default=
 reference to such a named service might improve the situation.
Regards
Norbert


Norbert Schade
Systems Engineer (printing)
Imaging Solutions
Conexant Systems, Inc.
201 Jones Road
Waltham, MA 02451
U.S.A.
Tel: 1-781-370-8929
Email: norbert.schade@conexant.com<mailto:norbert.schade@conexant.com>


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<o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit">
<o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vli=
nk=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'c=
olor:#1F497D'>Ok, found a ServiceName under ImagingServiceDescriptionType.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I g=
uess that will help me with the name.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DM=
soNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>You have another idea how to make on=
e of many services the default?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D=
'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","s=
ans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ta=
homa","sans-serif"'> Norbert Schade <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 20=
14 12:41 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Michael Sweet'<br><b>Cc:</b> ipp@pwg.org<br><b>S=
ubject:</b> RE: [IPP] named services<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'co=
lor:#1F497D'>There&#8217;s always the chance that I misinterpret something.=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Bu=
t the excerpt below is from the ScanService.xsd schema. I can&#8217;t find =
anything that looks like what you have in mind.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>And so far I think I&#8217;m l=
ooking at the right object.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span=
 style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;!-- ScanServices - set of =
Scan services --&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:complexType name=3D&quot;ScanServ=
icesType&quot;&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D=
'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:sequence&gt;<o:=
p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D&=
quot;ScanService&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot; maxOccurs=3D&quot;unbounde=
d&quot;/&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color=
:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:sequence&gt;<o:p></o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D&quot;##other&qu=
ot; processContents=3D&quot;lax&quot;/&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D=
MsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
; &lt;!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services --&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:c=
omplexType&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'col=
or:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element name=3D&quot;ScanServices&quot; =
type=3D&quot;ScanServicesType&quot;/&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMs=
oNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;!-- ScanService -=
 object --&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'col=
or:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:complexType name=3D&quot;ScanServiceBase=
Type&quot;&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'col=
or:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:sequence&gt;<o:p></=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot=
;ScanServiceCapabilities&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot;/&gt;<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanSe=
rviceCapabilitiesReady&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot;/&gt;<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanServ=
iceConfiguration&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot;/&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanServiceDef=
aults&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot;/&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D=
MsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanServiceDescription&qu=
ot;/&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F=
497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:elem=
ent ref=3D&quot;ScanServiceStatus&quot;/&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:any namespace=3D&quot;##other&quot; minOcc=
urs=3D&quot;0&quot; maxOccurs=3D&quot;unbounded&quot;/&gt;<o:p></o:p></span=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:sequence&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &l=
t;xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D&quot;##other&quot; processContents=3D&quot;l=
ax&quot;/&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'colo=
r:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;!-- ScanService - objec=
t --&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F=
497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:complexType&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:complexTy=
pe name=3D&quot;ScanServiceType&quot;&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DM=
soNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 &lt;xs:complexContent&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; &lt;xs:extension base=3D&quot;ScanServiceBaseType&quot;&gt;<o:p></o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:=
sequence&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color=
:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element name=3D&quot;JobTable&quo=
t;&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F49=
7D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:complexType&gt;<o:=
p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:sequen=
ce&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F49=
7D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element name=3D&quot;ActiveJobs&quot; type=3D&quot;=
ScanJobsType&quot;/&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span sty=
le=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element name=3D&quot;JobHistory&qu=
ot; type=3D&quot;ScanJobsType&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot;/&gt;<o:p></o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
; &lt;xs:any namespace=3D&quot;##other&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot; maxO=
ccurs=3D&quot;unbounded&quot;/&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:sequence&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:complexType&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:element=
&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D=
'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; &lt;/xs:sequence&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; &lt;/xs:extension&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><spa=
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an style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Michael Sw=
eet [<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com">mailto:msweet@apple.com</a>] <br><=
b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 12:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> Norbert Schade<=
br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br><b>Subject:=
</b> Re: [IPP] named services<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DM=
soNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Norbert,<o:p></o:p></p><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al>Doesn't the existing IPP printer-name attribute (SM ServiceName element)=
 already provide this?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Norbert Schade &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com">Norbert.Schade@conexant.com</a=
>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-botto=
m:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I am heavily worki=
ng with the scan service these days.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>So =
my note comes out of that effort.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>But I =
think this is a rather general question after all.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>A service is typical=
ly quite a complex object.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>A name that i=
dentifies a service on the highest level would in many cases ease the manag=
ement and debugging of functionality that deals with services.<o:p></o:p></=
p><p class=3DMsoNormal>And if I had more than one service in my scan servic=
e xml instance I&#8217;d prefer one to be the default (services have their =
own defaults, but a service itself cannot be the default within a services =
group).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D=
MsoNormal>I helped myself by adding a vendor extension (a simple attribute)=
 to the ScanServices and ScanService objects.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I could even imagine to add=
 an ID attribute to a ScanService object and an IDREF attribute to the Scan=
Services object.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>But I can&#8217;t reall=
y do that with vendor extensions.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;=
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Just wondering if other people also fee=
l that a named service and a default reference to such a named service migh=
t improve the situation.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Regards<o:p></o=
:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Norbert<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal>Norbert Schade<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Systems Engineer (pr=
inting)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Imaging Solutions<o:p></o:p></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal>Conexant Systems, Inc.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
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Norbert,

Look here (the current version of the browsable SM2.0 schema):

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http://www.pwg.org/mfd/navigate/PwgSmRev1-185_ScanServiceDescription.html#=
Link5D6

You'll see ServiceName is a required element.


On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:41 PM, Norbert Schade =
<Norbert.Schade@conexant.com> wrote:

> There=92s always the chance that I misinterpret something.
> But the excerpt below is from the ScanService.xsd schema. I can=92t =
find anything that looks like what you have in mind.
> And so far I think I=92m looking at the right object.
> =20
>                 <!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services -->
>                 <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServicesType">
>                                 <xs:sequence>
>                                                 <xs:element =
ref=3D"ScanService" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
>                                 </xs:sequence>
>                                 <xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D"##other" =
processContents=3D"lax"/>
>                                 <!-- ScanServices - set of Scan =
services -->
>                 </xs:complexType>
>                 <xs:element name=3D"ScanServices" =
type=3D"ScanServicesType"/>
>                 <!-- ScanService - object -->
>                 <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServiceBaseType">
>                                 <xs:sequence>
>                                                 <xs:element =
ref=3D"ScanServiceCapabilities" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
>                                                 <xs:element =
ref=3D"ScanServiceCapabilitiesReady" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
>                                                 <xs:element =
ref=3D"ScanServiceConfiguration" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
>                                                 <xs:element =
ref=3D"ScanServiceDefaults" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
>                                                 <xs:element =
ref=3D"ScanServiceDescription"/>
>                                                 <xs:element =
ref=3D"ScanServiceStatus"/>
>                                                 <xs:any =
namespace=3D"##other" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
>                                 </xs:sequence>
>                                 <xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D"##other" =
processContents=3D"lax"/>
>                                 <!-- ScanService - object -->
>                 </xs:complexType>
>                 <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServiceType">
>                                 <xs:complexContent>
>                                                 <xs:extension =
base=3D"ScanServiceBaseType">
>                                                                 =
<xs:sequence>
>                                                                        =
         <xs:element name=3D"JobTable">
>                                                                        =
                         <xs:complexType>
>                                                                        =
                                         <xs:sequence>
>                                                                        =
                                                         <xs:element =
name=3D"ActiveJobs" type=3D"ScanJobsType"/>
>                                                                        =
                                                         <xs:element =
name=3D"JobHistory" type=3D"ScanJobsType" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
>                                                                        =
                                                         <xs:any =
namespace=3D"##other" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
>                                                                        =
                                         </xs:sequence>
>                                                                        =
                         </xs:complexType>
>                                                                        =
         </xs:element>
>                                                                 =
</xs:sequence>
>                                                 </xs:extension>
>                                 </xs:complexContent>
>                 </xs:complexType>
>                 <xs:element name=3D"ScanService" =
type=3D"ScanServiceType"/>
> =20
> From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]=20
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:18 PM
> To: Norbert Schade
> Cc: ipp@pwg.org
> Subject: Re: [IPP] named services
> =20
> Norbert,
> =20
> Doesn't the existing IPP printer-name attribute (SM ServiceName =
element) already provide this?
> =20
> =20
> On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Norbert Schade =
<Norbert.Schade@conexant.com> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> I am heavily working with the scan service these days.
> So my note comes out of that effort.
> But I think this is a rather general question after all.
> =20
> A service is typically quite a complex object.
> A name that identifies a service on the highest level would in many =
cases ease the management and debugging of functionality that deals with =
services.
> And if I had more than one service in my scan service xml instance I=92d=
 prefer one to be the default (services have their own defaults, but a =
service itself cannot be the default within a services group).
> =20
> I helped myself by adding a vendor extension (a simple attribute) to =
the ScanServices and ScanService objects.
> =20
> I could even imagine to add an ID attribute to a ScanService object =
and an IDREF attribute to the ScanServices object.
> But I can=92t really do that with vendor extensions.
> =20
> Just wondering if other people also feel that a named service and a =
default reference to such a named service might improve the situation.
> Regards
> Norbert
> =20
> =20
> Norbert Schade
> Systems Engineer (printing)
> Imaging Solutions
> Conexant Systems, Inc.
> 201 Jones Road
> Waltham, MA 02451
> U.S.A.
> Tel: 1-781-370-8929
> Email: norbert.schade@conexant.com
> =20
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after-white-space;">Norbert,<div><br></div><div>Look here (the current =
version of the browsable SM2.0 schema):</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp; =
&nbsp; <a =
href=3D"http://www.pwg.org/mfd/navigate/PwgSmRev1-185_ScanServiceDescripti=
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ServiceName is a required =
element.</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jan 27, 2014, at =
12:41 PM, Norbert Schade &lt;<a =
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vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">There=92s always the chance that I misinterpret =
something.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">But the excerpt below is from the =
ScanService.xsd schema. I can=92t find anything that looks like what you =
have in mind.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">And so far I think I=92m looking at the right =
object.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;!-- ScanServices - set of =
Scan services --&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:complexType =
name=3D"ScanServicesType"&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&lt;xs:sequence&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D"ScanService" minOccurs=3D"0" =
maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&lt;/xs:sequence&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&lt;xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D"##other" =
processContents=3D"lax"/&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;!-- =
ScanServices - set of Scan services --&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&lt;/xs:complexType&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element =
name=3D"ScanServices" =
type=3D"ScanServicesType"/&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;!-- ScanService - object =
--&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:complexType =
name=3D"ScanServiceBaseType"&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&lt;xs:sequence&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D"ScanServiceCapabilities" =
minOccurs=3D"0"/&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D"ScanServiceCapabilitiesReady" =
minOccurs=3D"0"/&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D"ScanServiceConfiguration" =
minOccurs=3D"0"/&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D"ScanServiceDefaults" =
minOccurs=3D"0"/&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element =
ref=3D"ScanServiceDescription"/&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element =
ref=3D"ScanServiceStatus"/&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:any namespace=3D"##other" minOccurs=3D"0" =
maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&lt;/xs:sequence&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&lt;xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D"##other" =
processContents=3D"lax"/&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;!-- =
ScanService - object --&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&lt;/xs:complexType&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:complexType =
name=3D"ScanServiceType"&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&lt;xs:complexContent&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:extension =
base=3D"ScanServiceBaseType"&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&lt;xs:sequence&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element =
name=3D"JobTable"&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; &lt;xs:complexType&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:sequence&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element =
name=3D"ActiveJobs" type=3D"ScanJobsType"/&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element =
name=3D"JobHistory" type=3D"ScanJobsType" =
minOccurs=3D"0"/&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:any =
namespace=3D"##other" minOccurs=3D"0" =
maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:sequence&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; &lt;/xs:complexType&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&lt;/xs:element&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&lt;/xs:sequence&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:extension&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&lt;/xs:complexContent&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&lt;/xs:complexType&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element =
name=3D"ScanService" type=3D"ScanServiceType"/&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p><div><div =
style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;">From:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;"> Michael Sweet [<a =
href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com">mailto:msweet@apple.com</a>] =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 12:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> Norbert =
Schade<br><b>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] =
named services<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Doesn't the existing IPP printer-name attribute (SM =
ServiceName element) already provide this?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Norbert Schade &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com">Norbert.Schade@conexant.com</a=
>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I =
am heavily working with the scan service these days.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">So my note comes out of that =
effort.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">But I think this is a =
rather general question after all.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">A =
service is typically quite a complex object.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">A name that identifies a service on the highest =
level would in many cases ease the management and debugging of =
functionality that deals with services.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">And if I had more than one service in my scan =
service xml instance I=92d prefer one to be the default (services have =
their own defaults, but a service itself cannot be the default within a =
services group).<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I helped =
myself by adding a vendor extension (a simple attribute) to the =
ScanServices and ScanService objects.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I could =
even imagine to add an ID attribute to a ScanService object and an IDREF =
attribute to the ScanServices object.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">But I can=92t really do that with vendor =
extensions.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Just wondering if other people also feel that a =
named service and a default reference to such a named service might =
improve the situation.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert =
Schade<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Systems Engineer =
(printing)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Imaging =
Solutions<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Conexant Systems, =
Inc.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">201 Jones =
Road<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Waltham, MA =
02451<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">U.S.A.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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Subject: Re: [IPP] named services
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Norbert,

Currently there is no notion of a default service in (standard) IPP or =
the SM.  CUPS has a pair of extension operations for getting and setting =
the default printer (and at one point even allowed a server to advertise =
it as a sort-of "default network printer" that clients could prefer, =
with the usual security caveats), however those operations are now =
rarely used as mobile computing has made the notion of a default printer =
location-specific.

What are you trying to do?

 =20
On Jan 27, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Norbert Schade =
<Norbert.Schade@conexant.com> wrote:

> Ok, found a ServiceName under ImagingServiceDescriptionType.
> I guess that will help me with the name.
> =20
> You have another idea how to make one of many services the default?
> =20
> From: Norbert Schade=20
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:41 PM
> To: 'Michael Sweet'
> Cc: ipp@pwg.org
> Subject: RE: [IPP] named services
> =20
> There=92s always the chance that I misinterpret something.
> But the excerpt below is from the ScanService.xsd schema. I can=92t =
find anything that looks like what you have in mind.
> And so far I think I=92m looking at the right object.
> =20
>                 <!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services -->
>                 <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServicesType">
>                                 <xs:sequence>
>                                                 <xs:element =
ref=3D"ScanService" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
>                                 </xs:sequence>
>                                 <xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D"##other" =
processContents=3D"lax"/>
>                                 <!-- ScanServices - set of Scan =
services -->
>                 </xs:complexType>
>                 <xs:element name=3D"ScanServices" =
type=3D"ScanServicesType"/>
>                 <!-- ScanService - object -->
>                 <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServiceBaseType">
>                                 <xs:sequence>
>                                                 <xs:element =
ref=3D"ScanServiceCapabilities" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
>                                                 <xs:element =
ref=3D"ScanServiceCapabilitiesReady" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
>                                                 <xs:element =
ref=3D"ScanServiceConfiguration" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
>                                                 <xs:element =
ref=3D"ScanServiceDefaults" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
>                                                 <xs:element =
ref=3D"ScanServiceDescription"/>
>                                                 <xs:element =
ref=3D"ScanServiceStatus"/>
>                                                 <xs:any =
namespace=3D"##other" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
>                                 </xs:sequence>
>                                 <xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D"##other" =
processContents=3D"lax"/>
>                                 <!-- ScanService - object -->
>                 </xs:complexType>
>                 <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServiceType">
>                                 <xs:complexContent>
>                                                 <xs:extension =
base=3D"ScanServiceBaseType">
>                                                                 =
<xs:sequence>
>                                                                        =
         <xs:element name=3D"JobTable">
>                                                                        =
                         <xs:complexType>
>                                                                        =
                                         <xs:sequence>
>                                                                        =
                                                         <xs:element =
name=3D"ActiveJobs" type=3D"ScanJobsType"/>
>                                                                        =
                                                         <xs:element =
name=3D"JobHistory" type=3D"ScanJobsType" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
>                                                                        =
                                                         <xs:any =
namespace=3D"##other" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
>                                                                        =
                                         </xs:sequence>
>                                                                        =
                         </xs:complexType>
>                                                                        =
         </xs:element>
>                                                                 =
</xs:sequence>
>                                                 </xs:extension>
>                                 </xs:complexContent>
>                 </xs:complexType>
>                 <xs:element name=3D"ScanService" =
type=3D"ScanServiceType"/>
> =20
> From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]=20
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:18 PM
> To: Norbert Schade
> Cc: ipp@pwg.org
> Subject: Re: [IPP] named services
> =20
> Norbert,
> =20
> Doesn't the existing IPP printer-name attribute (SM ServiceName =
element) already provide this?
> =20
> =20
> On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Norbert Schade =
<Norbert.Schade@conexant.com> wrote:
> =20
>=20
> I am heavily working with the scan service these days.
> So my note comes out of that effort.
> But I think this is a rather general question after all.
> =20
> A service is typically quite a complex object.
> A name that identifies a service on the highest level would in many =
cases ease the management and debugging of functionality that deals with =
services.
> And if I had more than one service in my scan service xml instance I=92d=
 prefer one to be the default (services have their own defaults, but a =
service itself cannot be the default within a services group).
> =20
> I helped myself by adding a vendor extension (a simple attribute) to =
the ScanServices and ScanService objects.
> =20
> I could even imagine to add an ID attribute to a ScanService object =
and an IDREF attribute to the ScanServices object.
> But I can=92t really do that with vendor extensions.
> =20
> Just wondering if other people also feel that a named service and a =
default reference to such a named service might improve the situation.
> Regards
> Norbert
> =20
> =20
> Norbert Schade
> Systems Engineer (printing)
> Imaging Solutions
> Conexant Systems, Inc.
> 201 Jones Road
> Waltham, MA 02451
> U.S.A.
> Tel: 1-781-370-8929
> Email: norbert.schade@conexant.com
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after-white-space;">Norbert,<div><br></div><div>Currently there is no =
notion of a default service in (standard) IPP or the SM. &nbsp;CUPS has =
a pair of extension operations for getting and setting the default =
printer (and at one point even allowed a server to advertise it as a =
sort-of "default network printer" that clients could prefer, with the =
usual security caveats), however those operations are now rarely used as =
mobile computing has made the notion of a default printer =
location-specific.</div><div><br></div><div>What are you trying to =
do?</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;<br><div><div>On Jan 27, 2014, =
at 1:23 PM, Norbert Schade &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com">Norbert.Schade@conexant.com</a=
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style=3D"color:#1F497D">Ok, found a ServiceName under =
ImagingServiceDescriptionType.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I guess that will help =
me with the name.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
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quot;"> Norbert Schade <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 12:41 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Michael Sweet'<br><b>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [IPP] =
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&lt;/xs:complexType&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element =
name=3D"ScanService" type=3D"ScanServiceType"/&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p><div><div =
style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;">From:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;"> Michael Sweet [<a =
href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com">mailto:msweet@apple.com</a>] =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 12:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> Norbert =
Schade<br><b>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] =
named services<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Doesn't the existing IPP printer-name attribute (SM =
ServiceName element) already provide this?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Norbert Schade &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com">Norbert.Schade@conexant.com</a=
>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">I am heavily working with the scan service these =
days.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">So my note comes out of that =
effort.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">But I think this is a =
rather general question after all.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">A =
service is typically quite a complex object.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">A name that identifies a service on the highest =
level would in many cases ease the management and debugging of =
functionality that deals with services.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">And if I had more than one service in my scan =
service xml instance I=92d prefer one to be the default (services have =
their own defaults, but a service itself cannot be the default within a =
services group).<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I helped =
myself by adding a vendor extension (a simple attribute) to the =
ScanServices and ScanService objects.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I could =
even imagine to add an ID attribute to a ScanService object and an IDREF =
attribute to the ScanServices object.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">But I can=92t really do that with vendor =
extensions.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Just wondering if other people also feel that a =
named service and a default reference to such a named service might =
improve the situation.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert =
Schade<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Systems Engineer =
(printing)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Imaging =
Solutions<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Conexant Systems, =
Inc.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">201 Jones =
Road<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Waltham, MA =
02451<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">U.S.A.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Tel: 1-781-370-8929<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Email: <a =
href=3D"mailto:norbert.schade@conexant.com">norbert.schade@conexant.com</a=
><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>Conexant =
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To: Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com>, Norbert Schade <Norbert.Schade@conexant.com>
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Norbert,
When we talked I thought you were trying to have a named set of processing =
attributes (i.e. job ticket) that could be referenced when submitting a job=
.  I may have misunderstood.
Pete

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From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Michael=
 Sweet
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 1:56 PM
To: Norbert Schade
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] named services

Norbert,

Currently there is no notion of a default service in (standard) IPP or the =
SM.  CUPS has a pair of extension operations for getting and setting the de=
fault printer (and at one point even allowed a server to advertise it as a =
sort-of "default network printer" that clients could prefer, with the usual=
 security caveats), however those operations are now rarely used as mobile =
computing has made the notion of a default printer location-specific.

What are you trying to do?


On Jan 27, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Norbert Schade <Norbert.Schade@conexant.com<ma=
ilto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com>> wrote:


Ok, found a ServiceName under ImagingServiceDescriptionType.
I guess that will help me with the name.

You have another idea how to make one of many services the default?

From: Norbert Schade
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:41 PM
To: 'Michael Sweet'
Cc: ipp@pwg.org<mailto:ipp@pwg.org>
Subject: RE: [IPP] named services

There's always the chance that I misinterpret something.
But the excerpt below is from the ScanService.xsd schema. I can't find anyt=
hing that looks like what you have in mind.
And so far I think I'm looking at the right object.

                <!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services -->
                <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServicesType">
                                <xs:sequence>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
ice" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
                                </xs:sequence>
                                <xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D"##other" proc=
essContents=3D"lax"/>
                                <!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services --=
>
                </xs:complexType>
                <xs:element name=3D"ScanServices" type=3D"ScanServicesType"=
/>
                <!-- ScanService - object -->
                <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServiceBaseType">
                                <xs:sequence>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceCapabilities" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceCapabilitiesReady" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceConfiguration" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceDefaults" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceDescription"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceStatus"/>
                                                <xs:any namespace=3D"##othe=
r" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
                                </xs:sequence>
                                <xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D"##other" proc=
essContents=3D"lax"/>
                                <!-- ScanService - object -->
                </xs:complexType>
                <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServiceType">
                                <xs:complexContent>
                                                <xs:extension base=3D"ScanS=
erviceBaseType">
                                                                <xs:sequenc=
e>
                                                                           =
     <xs:element name=3D"JobTable">
                                                                           =
                     <xs:complexType>
                                                                           =
                                     <xs:sequence>
                                                                           =
                                                     <xs:element name=3D"Ac=
tiveJobs" type=3D"ScanJobsType"/>
                                                                           =
                                                     <xs:element name=3D"Jo=
bHistory" type=3D"ScanJobsType" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                                           =
                                                     <xs:any namespace=3D"#=
#other" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
                                                                           =
                                     </xs:sequence>
                                                                           =
                     </xs:complexType>
                                                                           =
     </xs:element>
                                                                </xs:sequen=
ce>
                                                </xs:extension>
                                </xs:complexContent>
                </xs:complexType>
                <xs:element name=3D"ScanService" type=3D"ScanServiceType"/>

From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:18 PM
To: Norbert Schade
Cc: ipp@pwg.org<mailto:ipp@pwg.org>
Subject: Re: [IPP] named services

Norbert,

Doesn't the existing IPP printer-name attribute (SM ServiceName element) al=
ready provide this?


On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Norbert Schade <Norbert.Schade@conexant.com<m=
ailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com>> wrote:

I am heavily working with the scan service these days.
So my note comes out of that effort.
But I think this is a rather general question after all.

A service is typically quite a complex object.
A name that identifies a service on the highest level would in many cases e=
ase the management and debugging of functionality that deals with services.
And if I had more than one service in my scan service xml instance I'd pref=
er one to be the default (services have their own defaults, but a service i=
tself cannot be the default within a services group).

I helped myself by adding a vendor extension (a simple attribute) to the Sc=
anServices and ScanService objects.

I could even imagine to add an ID attribute to a ScanService object and an =
IDREF attribute to the ScanServices object.
But I can't really do that with vendor extensions.

Just wondering if other people also feel that a named service and a default=
 reference to such a named service might improve the situation.
Regards
Norbert


Norbert Schade
Systems Engineer (printing)
Imaging Solutions
Conexant Systems, Inc.
201 Jones Road
Waltham, MA 02451
U.S.A.
Tel: 1-781-370-8929
Email: norbert.schade@conexant.com<mailto:norbert.schade@conexant.com>


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Norbert,<o:p></o:p></s=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">When we talked I thoug=
ht you were trying to have a named set of processing attributes (i.e. job t=
icket) that could be referenced when submitting a job.&nbsp; I may have mis=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ipp-boun=
ces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Sweet<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 1:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Norbert Schade<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ipp@pwg.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] named services<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Currently there is no notion of a default service in=
 (standard) IPP or the SM. &nbsp;CUPS has a pair of extension operations fo=
r getting and setting the default printer (and at one point even allowed a =
server to advertise it as a sort-of &quot;default
 network printer&quot; that clients could prefer, with the usual security c=
aveats), however those operations are now rarely used as mobile computing h=
as made the notion of a default printer location-specific.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">What are you trying to do?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Jan 27, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Norbert Schade &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com">Norbert.Schade@conexant.com</a>&=
gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Ok, found a ServiceNam=
e under ImagingServiceDescriptionType.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I guess that will help=
 me with the name.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">You have another idea =
how to make one of many services the default?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
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Schade
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 12:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Michael Sweet'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [IPP] named services</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">There&#8217;s always t=
he chance that I misinterpret something.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">But the excerpt below =
is from the ScanService.xsd schema. I can&#8217;t find anything that looks =
like what you have in mind.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">And so far I think I&#=
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ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Michael =
Sweet [<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com">mailto:msweet@apple.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 12:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Norbert Schade<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] named services</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert,<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Doesn't the existing IPP printer-name attribute (SM =
ServiceName element) already provide this?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Norbert Schade &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com">Norbert.Schade@conexant.com</a>=
&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I am heavily working with the scan service these day=
s.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">So my note comes out of that effort.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">But I think this is a rather general question after =
all.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">A service is typically quite a complex object.<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">A name that identifies a service on the highest leve=
l would in many cases ease the management and debugging of functionality th=
at deals with services.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">And if I had more than one service in my scan servic=
e xml instance I&#8217;d prefer one to be the default (services have their =
own defaults, but a service itself cannot be the default within a services =
group).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I helped myself by adding a vendor extension (a simp=
le attribute) to the ScanServices and ScanService objects.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I could even imagine to add an ID attribute to a Sca=
nService object and an IDREF attribute to the ScanServices object.<o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">But I can&#8217;t really do that with vendor extensi=
ons.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Just wondering if other people also feel that a name=
d service and a default reference to such a named service might improve the=
 situation.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert Schade<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Systems Engineer (printing)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">U.S.A.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Tel: 1-781-370-8929<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Email: <a href=3D"mailto:norbert.schade@conexant.com=
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Michael,
I do not see any support for constraints in the SM.
For eSCL I have to provide a set of PlatenInputCaps and at least one AdfInp=
utCaps.
One way to get out of that dilemma is to provide two full scan device descr=
iptions -> two services.
If I do it that way we have to tell our MFP LCD which of the services (resp=
 sets of caps) is default. Or just go by alphabetical order and show the fi=
rst or something similar.
Norbert

From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 1:56 PM
To: Norbert Schade
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] named services

Norbert,

Currently there is no notion of a default service in (standard) IPP or the =
SM.  CUPS has a pair of extension operations for getting and setting the de=
fault printer (and at one point even allowed a server to advertise it as a =
sort-of "default network printer" that clients could prefer, with the usual=
 security caveats), however those operations are now rarely used as mobile =
computing has made the notion of a default printer location-specific.

What are you trying to do?


On Jan 27, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Norbert Schade <Norbert.Schade@conexant.com<ma=
ilto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com>> wrote:


Ok, found a ServiceName under ImagingServiceDescriptionType.
I guess that will help me with the name.

You have another idea how to make one of many services the default?

From: Norbert Schade
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:41 PM
To: 'Michael Sweet'
Cc: ipp@pwg.org<mailto:ipp@pwg.org>
Subject: RE: [IPP] named services

There's always the chance that I misinterpret something.
But the excerpt below is from the ScanService.xsd schema. I can't find anyt=
hing that looks like what you have in mind.
And so far I think I'm looking at the right object.

                <!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services -->
                <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServicesType">
                                <xs:sequence>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
ice" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
                                </xs:sequence>
                                <xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D"##other" proc=
essContents=3D"lax"/>
                                <!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services --=
>
                </xs:complexType>
                <xs:element name=3D"ScanServices" type=3D"ScanServicesType"=
/>
                <!-- ScanService - object -->
                <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServiceBaseType">
                                <xs:sequence>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceCapabilities" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceCapabilitiesReady" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceConfiguration" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceDefaults" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceDescription"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceStatus"/>
                                                <xs:any namespace=3D"##othe=
r" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
                                </xs:sequence>
                                <xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D"##other" proc=
essContents=3D"lax"/>
                                <!-- ScanService - object -->
                </xs:complexType>
                <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServiceType">
                                <xs:complexContent>
                                                <xs:extension base=3D"ScanS=
erviceBaseType">
                                                                <xs:sequenc=
e>
                                                                           =
     <xs:element name=3D"JobTable">
                                                                           =
                     <xs:complexType>
                                                                           =
                                     <xs:sequence>
                                                                           =
                                                     <xs:element name=3D"Ac=
tiveJobs" type=3D"ScanJobsType"/>
                                                                           =
                                                     <xs:element name=3D"Jo=
bHistory" type=3D"ScanJobsType" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                                           =
                                                     <xs:any namespace=3D"#=
#other" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
                                                                           =
                                     </xs:sequence>
                                                                           =
                     </xs:complexType>
                                                                           =
     </xs:element>
                                                                </xs:sequen=
ce>
                                                </xs:extension>
                                </xs:complexContent>
                </xs:complexType>
                <xs:element name=3D"ScanService" type=3D"ScanServiceType"/>

From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:18 PM
To: Norbert Schade
Cc: ipp@pwg.org<mailto:ipp@pwg.org>
Subject: Re: [IPP] named services

Norbert,

Doesn't the existing IPP printer-name attribute (SM ServiceName element) al=
ready provide this?


On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Norbert Schade <Norbert.Schade@conexant.com<m=
ailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com>> wrote:

I am heavily working with the scan service these days.
So my note comes out of that effort.
But I think this is a rather general question after all.

A service is typically quite a complex object.
A name that identifies a service on the highest level would in many cases e=
ase the management and debugging of functionality that deals with services.
And if I had more than one service in my scan service xml instance I'd pref=
er one to be the default (services have their own defaults, but a service i=
tself cannot be the default within a services group).

I helped myself by adding a vendor extension (a simple attribute) to the Sc=
anServices and ScanService objects.

I could even imagine to add an ID attribute to a ScanService object and an =
IDREF attribute to the ScanServices object.
But I can't really do that with vendor extensions.

Just wondering if other people also feel that a named service and a default=
 reference to such a named service might improve the situation.
Regards
Norbert


Norbert Schade
Systems Engineer (printing)
Imaging Solutions
Conexant Systems, Inc.
201 Jones Road
Waltham, MA 02451
U.S.A.
Tel: 1-781-370-8929
Email: norbert.schade@conexant.com<mailto:norbert.schade@conexant.com>


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nk=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'c=
olor:#1F497D'>Michael,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span styl=
e=3D'color:#1F497D'>I do not see any support for constraints in the SM.<o:p=
></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>For eS=
CL I have to provide a set of PlatenInputCaps and at least one AdfInputCaps=
.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>O=
ne way to get out of that dilemma is to provide two full scan device descri=
ptions -&gt; two services.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>If I do it that way we have to tell our MFP LCD whi=
ch of the services (resp sets of caps) is default. Or just go by alphabetic=
al order and show the first or something similar.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Norbert<o:p></o:p></span></p=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span=
></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:=
3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;=
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@ap=
ple.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 1:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> No=
rbert Schade<br><b>Cc:</b> ipp@pwg.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] named s=
ervices<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Norbert,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Currently there is =
no notion of a default service in (standard) IPP or the SM. &nbsp;CUPS has =
a pair of extension operations for getting and setting the default printer =
(and at one point even allowed a server to advertise it as a sort-of &quot;=
default network printer&quot; that clients could prefer, with the usual sec=
urity caveats), however those operations are now rarely used as mobile comp=
uting has made the notion of a default printer location-specific.<o:p></o:p=
></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal>What are you trying to do?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Jan 27, 2014, at 1:23 P=
M, Norbert Schade &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com">Norber=
t.Schade@conexant.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1=
F497D'>Ok, found a ServiceName under ImagingServiceDescriptionType.</span><=
o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I guess th=
at will help me with the name.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><s=
pan style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>You have another idea how to make one of ma=
ny services the default?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span st=
yle=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style=3D'border=
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MsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-ser=
if"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","=
sans-serif"'> Norbert Schade <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 12:4=
1 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Michael Sweet'<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.=
org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [IPP] named services</span><o:p=
></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>There&#8217;s always the chance =
that I misinterpret something.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><s=
pan style=3D'color:#1F497D'>But the excerpt below is from the ScanService.x=
sd schema. I can&#8217;t find anything that looks like what you have in min=
d.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>=
And so far I think I&#8217;m looking at the right object.</span><o:p></o:p>=
</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></=
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p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&lt;!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services --&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:ele=
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nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:any namespac=
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sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D&quot;##other&q=
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=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp; &lt;!-- ScanService - object --&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMs=
oNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:complexType&g=
t;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:complexType name=3D&quot;ScanServiceType&quot;&gt;</=
span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:complexContent&gt;</span><o:p></o:p=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:extension base=3D&quot;ScanSe=
rviceBaseType&quot;&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span sty=
le=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:sequence&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:=
element name=3D&quot;JobTable&quot;&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMso=
Normal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; &lt;xs:complexType&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><s=
pan style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:sequence&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMso=
Normal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element name=3D&qu=
ot;ActiveJobs&quot; type=3D&quot;ScanJobsType&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p><=
/p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:e=
lement name=3D&quot;JobHistory&quot; type=3D&quot;ScanJobsType&quot; minOcc=
urs=3D&quot;0&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span st=
yle=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:any namespace=3D&quot;##other&quo=
t; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot; maxOccurs=3D&quot;unbounded&quot;/&gt;</span><=
o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:sequence&g=
t;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:complexType&gt;</span=
><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:element&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:sequence&gt;</span><o:p></o:p=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:extension&gt;</span><o:p></o=
:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:complexContent&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:complex=
Type&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F=
497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element name=3D&quot;ScanService&quot; type=3D=
&quot;ScanServiceType&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style=
=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma"=
,"sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Michael Sweet [<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com">=
mailto:msweet@apple.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 12:1=
8 PM<br><b>To:</b> Norbert Schade<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.o=
rg">ipp@pwg.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] named services</span><o:p>=
</o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D=
MsoNormal>Norbert,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p=
></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Doesn't the existing IPP printer-name =
attribute (SM ServiceName element) already provide this?<o:p></o:p></p></di=
v><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Jan 27, 2014, =
at 12:03 PM, Norbert Schade &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.c=
om">Norbert.Schade@conexant.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal>I am heavily working with the scan service these days.<o:p>=
</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>So my note comes out of that effort.<o:p></o=
:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>But I think this is a rather general question a=
fter all.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>A service is typically quite a complex object.<o:p></o:p></p><=
p class=3DMsoNormal>A name that identifies a service on the highest level w=
ould in many cases ease the management and debugging of functionality that =
deals with services.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>And if I had more t=
han one service in my scan service xml instance I&#8217;d prefer one to be =
the default (services have their own defaults, but a service itself cannot =
be the default within a services group).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I helped myself by adding a vend=
or extension (a simple attribute) to the ScanServices and ScanService objec=
ts.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal>I could even imagine to add an ID attribute to a ScanService object a=
nd an IDREF attribute to the ScanServices object.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D=
MsoNormal>But I can&#8217;t really do that with vendor extensions.<o:p></o:=
p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Just w=
ondering if other people also feel that a named service and a default refer=
ence to such a named service might improve the situation.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Regards<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Norbert<o:p></=
o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Norbert Schade<o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>Systems Engineer (printing)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
>Imaging Solutions<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Conexant Systems, Inc=
.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>201 Jones Road<o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>Waltham, MA 02451<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>U.S.A.<o:=
p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Tel: 1-781-370-8929<o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>Email: <a href=3D"mailto:norbert.schade@conexant.com">norbert.=
schade@conexant.com</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p=
></p><p>Conexant E-mail Firewall (<a href=3D"http://conexant.com/">Conexant=
.Com</a>) made the following annotations<br>-------------------------------=
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/p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"=
Times New Roman","serif"'>_______________________________________________<b=
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an/listinfo/ipp</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span s=
tyle=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>&nbsp;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;=
font-family:"Andale Mono","serif"'>________________________________________=
_________________<br>Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System&nbsp;Engineer, P=
WG Chair</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0p=
t;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dapple-style-span><span style=3D'font=
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e=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Andale Mono","serif";color:black'>Michae=
l Sweet, Senior Printing System&nbsp;Engineer, PWG Chair</span></span><span=
 class=3Dapple-style-span><span style=3D'font-family:"Andale Mono","serif";=
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<span style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></sp=
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Subject: Re: [IPP] named services
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Norbert,

IPP does have a notion of constraints (job-constraints-supported and =
job-resolvers-supported); I don't know whether the SM has incorporated =
those yet or not.


On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Norbert Schade =
<Norbert.Schade@conexant.com> wrote:

> Michael,
> I do not see any support for constraints in the SM.
> For eSCL I have to provide a set of PlatenInputCaps and at least one =
AdfInputCaps.
> One way to get out of that dilemma is to provide two full scan device =
descriptions -> two services.
> If I do it that way we have to tell our MFP LCD which of the services =
(resp sets of caps) is default. Or just go by alphabetical order and =
show the first or something similar.
> Norbert
> =20
> From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]=20
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 1:56 PM
> To: Norbert Schade
> Cc: ipp@pwg.org
> Subject: Re: [IPP] named services
> =20
> Norbert,
> =20
> Currently there is no notion of a default service in (standard) IPP or =
the SM.  CUPS has a pair of extension operations for getting and setting =
the default printer (and at one point even allowed a server to advertise =
it as a sort-of "default network printer" that clients could prefer, =
with the usual security caveats), however those operations are now =
rarely used as mobile computing has made the notion of a default printer =
location-specific.
> =20
> What are you trying to do?
> =20
>  =20
> On Jan 27, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Norbert Schade =
<Norbert.Schade@conexant.com> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> Ok, found a ServiceName under ImagingServiceDescriptionType.
> I guess that will help me with the name.
> =20
> You have another idea how to make one of many services the default?
> =20
> From: Norbert Schade=20
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:41 PM
> To: 'Michael Sweet'
> Cc: ipp@pwg.org
> Subject: RE: [IPP] named services
> =20
> There=92s always the chance that I misinterpret something.
> But the excerpt below is from the ScanService.xsd schema. I can=92t =
find anything that looks like what you have in mind.
> And so far I think I=92m looking at the right object.
> =20
>                 <!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services -->
>                 <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServicesType">
>                                 <xs:sequence>
>                                                 <xs:element =
ref=3D"ScanService" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
>                                 </xs:sequence>
>                                 <xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D"##other" =
processContents=3D"lax"/>
>                                 <!-- ScanServices - set of Scan =
services -->
>                 </xs:complexType>
>                 <xs:element name=3D"ScanServices" =
type=3D"ScanServicesType"/>
>                 <!-- ScanService - object -->
>                 <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServiceBaseType">
>                                 <xs:sequence>
>                                                 <xs:element =
ref=3D"ScanServiceCapabilities" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
>                                                 <xs:element =
ref=3D"ScanServiceCapabilitiesReady" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
>                                                 <xs:element =
ref=3D"ScanServiceConfiguration" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
>                                                 <xs:element =
ref=3D"ScanServiceDefaults" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
>                                                 <xs:element =
ref=3D"ScanServiceDescription"/>
>                                                 <xs:element =
ref=3D"ScanServiceStatus"/>
>                                                 <xs:any =
namespace=3D"##other" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
>                                 </xs:sequence>
>                                 <xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D"##other" =
processContents=3D"lax"/>
>                                 <!-- ScanService - object -->
>                 </xs:complexType>
>                 <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServiceType">
>                                 <xs:complexContent>
>                                                 <xs:extension =
base=3D"ScanServiceBaseType">
>                                                                 =
<xs:sequence>
>                                                                        =
         <xs:element name=3D"JobTable">
>                                                                        =
                         <xs:complexType>
>                                                                        =
                                         <xs:sequence>
>                                                                        =
                                                         <xs:element =
name=3D"ActiveJobs" type=3D"ScanJobsType"/>
>                                                                        =
                                                         <xs:element =
name=3D"JobHistory" type=3D"ScanJobsType" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
>                                                                        =
                                                         <xs:any =
namespace=3D"##other" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
>                                                                        =
                                         </xs:sequence>
>                                                                        =
                         </xs:complexType>
>                                                                        =
         </xs:element>
>                                                                 =
</xs:sequence>
>                                                 </xs:extension>
>                                 </xs:complexContent>
>                 </xs:complexType>
>                 <xs:element name=3D"ScanService" =
type=3D"ScanServiceType"/>
> =20
> From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]=20
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:18 PM
> To: Norbert Schade
> Cc: ipp@pwg.org
> Subject: Re: [IPP] named services
> =20
> Norbert,
> =20
> Doesn't the existing IPP printer-name attribute (SM ServiceName =
element) already provide this?
> =20
> =20
> On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Norbert Schade =
<Norbert.Schade@conexant.com> wrote:
> =20
>=20
> I am heavily working with the scan service these days.
> So my note comes out of that effort.
> But I think this is a rather general question after all.
> =20
> A service is typically quite a complex object.
> A name that identifies a service on the highest level would in many =
cases ease the management and debugging of functionality that deals with =
services.
> And if I had more than one service in my scan service xml instance I=92d=
 prefer one to be the default (services have their own defaults, but a =
service itself cannot be the default within a services group).
> =20
> I helped myself by adding a vendor extension (a simple attribute) to =
the ScanServices and ScanService objects.
> =20
> I could even imagine to add an ID attribute to a ScanService object =
and an IDREF attribute to the ScanServices object.
> But I can=92t really do that with vendor extensions.
> =20
> Just wondering if other people also feel that a named service and a =
default reference to such a named service might improve the situation.
> Regards
> Norbert
> =20
> =20
> Norbert Schade
> Systems Engineer (printing)
> Imaging Solutions
> Conexant Systems, Inc.
> 201 Jones Road
> Waltham, MA 02451
> U.S.A.
> Tel: 1-781-370-8929
> Email: norbert.schade@conexant.com
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after-white-space;">Norbert,<div><br></div><div>IPP does have a notion =
of constraints (job-constraints-supported and job-resolvers-supported); =
I don't know whether the SM has incorporated those yet or =
not.</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:01 PM, =
Norbert Schade &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com">Norbert.Schade@conexant.com</a=
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style=3D"color:#1F497D">Michael,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I do not see any =
support for constraints in the SM.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">For eSCL I have to =
provide a set of PlatenInputCaps and at least one =
AdfInputCaps.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">One way to get out of that dilemma is to provide =
two full scan device descriptions -&gt; two =
services.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">If I do it that way we have to tell our MFP LCD =
which of the services (resp sets of caps) is default. Or just go by =
alphabetical order and show the first or something =
similar.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">Norbert<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p><div><div =
style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;">From:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;"> Michael Sweet [<a =
href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com">mailto:msweet@apple.com</a>] =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 1:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> Norbert =
Schade<br><b>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] =
named services<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Currently there is no notion of a default service in =
(standard) IPP or the SM. &nbsp;CUPS has a pair of extension operations =
for getting and setting the default printer (and at one point even =
allowed a server to advertise it as a sort-of "default network printer" =
that clients could prefer, with the usual security caveats), however =
those operations are now rarely used as mobile computing has made the =
notion of a default printer =
location-specific.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">What are you trying to =
do?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">On Jan 27, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Norbert Schade &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com">Norbert.Schade@conexant.com</a=
>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Ok, found a =
ServiceName under ImagingServiceDescriptionType.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I guess that will help =
me with the name.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">You have another idea =
how to make one of many services the default?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
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0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;">From:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;"> Norbert Schade <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 12:41 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Michael Sweet'<br><b>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [IPP] =
named services</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">There=92s always the chance that I misinterpret =
something.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">But the excerpt below is from the =
ScanService.xsd schema. I can=92t find anything that looks like what you =
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;!-- ScanServices - set of =
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bsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element =
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
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bsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element =
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
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bsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:any namespace=3D"##other" minOccurs=3D"0" =
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style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;!-- =
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:extension =
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class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
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&lt;xs:sequence&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element =
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element =
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class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element =
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:any =
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style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
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p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
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style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
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class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
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p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&lt;/xs:element&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&lt;/xs:sequence&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:extension&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&lt;/xs:complexContent&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&lt;/xs:complexType&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element =
name=3D"ScanService" type=3D"ScanServiceType"/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;">From:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;"> Michael Sweet [<a =
href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com">mailto:msweet@apple.com</a>] =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 12:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> Norbert =
Schade<br><b>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] =
named services</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Doesn't the existing IPP printer-name attribute (SM =
ServiceName element) already provide this?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Norbert Schade &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com">Norbert.Schade@conexant.com</a=
>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">I am heavily working with the scan service these =
days.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">So my note comes out of that =
effort.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">But I think this is a =
rather general question after all.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">A =
service is typically quite a complex object.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">A name that identifies a service on the highest =
level would in many cases ease the management and debugging of =
functionality that deals with services.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">And if I had more than one service in my scan =
service xml instance I=92d prefer one to be the default (services have =
their own defaults, but a service itself cannot be the default within a =
services group).<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I helped =
myself by adding a vendor extension (a simple attribute) to the =
ScanServices and ScanService objects.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I could =
even imagine to add an ID attribute to a ScanService object and an IDREF =
attribute to the ScanServices object.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">But I can=92t really do that with vendor =
extensions.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Just wondering if other people also feel that a =
named service and a default reference to such a named service might =
improve the situation.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert =
Schade<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Systems Engineer =
(printing)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Imaging =
Solutions<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Conexant Systems, =
Inc.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">201 Jones =
Road<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Waltham, MA =
02451<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">U.S.A.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Tel: 1-781-370-8929<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Email: <a =
href=3D"mailto:norbert.schade@conexant.com">norbert.schade@conexant.com</a=
><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>Conexant =
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Hi Norbert,

Look at "JobConstraintsSupported" and "JobResolversSupported" in
SM "ServiceTypes.xsd"

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
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On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

> Norbert,
>
> IPP does have a notion of constraints (job-constraints-supported and
> job-resolvers-supported); I don't know whether the SM has incorporated
> those yet or not.
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Norbert Schade <Norbert.Schade@conexant.com>
> wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> I do not see any support for constraints in the SM.
>
> For eSCL I have to provide a set of PlatenInputCaps and at least one
> AdfInputCaps.
>
> One way to get out of that dilemma is to provide two full scan device
> descriptions -> two services.
>
> If I do it that way we have to tell our MFP LCD which of the services
> (resp sets of caps) is default. Or just go by alphabetical order and show
> the first or something similar.
>
> Norbert
>
>
>
> *From:* Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com <msweet@apple.com>]
> *Sent:* Monday, January 27, 2014 1:56 PM
> *To:* Norbert Schade
> *Cc:* ipp@pwg.org
> *Subject:* Re: [IPP] named services
>
>
>
> Norbert,
>
>
>
> Currently there is no notion of a default service in (standard) IPP or th=
e
> SM.  CUPS has a pair of extension operations for getting and setting the
> default printer (and at one point even allowed a server to advertise it a=
s
> a sort-of "default network printer" that clients could prefer, with the
> usual security caveats), however those operations are now rarely used as
> mobile computing has made the notion of a default printer location-specif=
ic.
>
>
>
> What are you trying to do?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Norbert Schade <Norbert.Schade@conexant.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Ok, found a ServiceName under ImagingServiceDescriptionType.
>
> I guess that will help me with the name.
>
>
>
> You have another idea how to make one of many services the default?
>
>
>
> *From:* Norbert Schade
> *Sent:* Monday, January 27, 2014 12:41 PM
> *To:* 'Michael Sweet'
> *Cc:* ipp@pwg.org
> *Subject:* RE: [IPP] named services
>
>
>
> There=92s always the chance that I misinterpret something.
>
> But the excerpt below is from the ScanService.xsd schema. I can=92t find
> anything that looks like what you have in mind.
>
> And so far I think I=92m looking at the right object.
>
>
>
>                 <!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services -->
>
>                 <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServicesType">
>
>                                 <xs:sequence>
>
>                                                 <xs:element
> ref=3D"ScanService" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
>
>                                 </xs:sequence>
>
>                                 <xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D"##other"
> processContents=3D"lax"/>
>
>                                 <!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services
> -->
>
>                 </xs:complexType>
>
>                 <xs:element name=3D"ScanServices" type=3D"ScanServicesTyp=
e"/>
>
>                 <!-- ScanService - object -->
>
>                 <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServiceBaseType">
>
>                                 <xs:sequence>
>
>                                                 <xs:element
> ref=3D"ScanServiceCapabilities" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
>
>                                                 <xs:element
> ref=3D"ScanServiceCapabilitiesReady" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
>
>                                                 <xs:element
> ref=3D"ScanServiceConfiguration" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
>
>                                                 <xs:element
> ref=3D"ScanServiceDefaults" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
>
>                                                 <xs:element
> ref=3D"ScanServiceDescription"/>
>
>                                                 <xs:element
> ref=3D"ScanServiceStatus"/>
>
>                                                 <xs:any
> namespace=3D"##other" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
>
>                                 </xs:sequence>
>
>                                 <xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D"##other"
> processContents=3D"lax"/>
>
>                                 <!-- ScanService - object -->
>
>                 </xs:complexType>
>
>                 <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServiceType">
>
>                                 <xs:complexContent>
>
>                                                 <xs:extension
> base=3D"ScanServiceBaseType">
>
>
> <xs:sequence>
>
>
> <xs:element name=3D"JobTable">
>
>
> <xs:complexType>
>
>
> <xs:sequence>
>
>
> <xs:element name=3D"ActiveJobs" type=3D"ScanJobsType"/>
>
>
> <xs:element name=3D"JobHistory" type=3D"ScanJobsType" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
>
>
> <xs:any namespace=3D"##other" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
>
>
> </xs:sequence>
>
>
> </xs:complexType>
>
>
> </xs:element>
>
>
> </xs:sequence>
>
>                                                 </xs:extension>
>
>                                 </xs:complexContent>
>
>                 </xs:complexType>
>
>                 <xs:element name=3D"ScanService" type=3D"ScanServiceType"=
/>
>
>
>
> *From:* Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com <msweet@apple.com>]
> *Sent:* Monday, January 27, 2014 12:18 PM
> *To:* Norbert Schade
> *Cc:* ipp@pwg.org
> *Subject:* Re: [IPP] named services
>
>
>
> Norbert,
>
>
>
> Doesn't the existing IPP printer-name attribute (SM ServiceName element)
> already provide this?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Norbert Schade <Norbert.Schade@conexant.com=
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I am heavily working with the scan service these days.
>
> So my note comes out of that effort.
>
> But I think this is a rather general question after all.
>
>
>
> A service is typically quite a complex object.
>
> A name that identifies a service on the highest level would in many cases
> ease the management and debugging of functionality that deals with servic=
es.
>
> And if I had more than one service in my scan service xml instance I=92d
> prefer one to be the default (services have their own defaults, but a
> service itself cannot be the default within a services group).
>
>
>
> I helped myself by adding a vendor extension (a simple attribute) to the
> ScanServices and ScanService objects.
>
>
>
> I could even imagine to add an ID attribute to a ScanService object and a=
n
> IDREF attribute to the ScanServices object.
>
> But I can=92t really do that with vendor extensions.
>
>
>
> Just wondering if other people also feel that a named service and a
> default reference to such a named service might improve the situation.
>
> Regards
>
> Norbert
>
>
>
>
>
> Norbert Schade
>
> Systems Engineer (printing)
>
> Imaging Solutions
>
> Conexant Systems, Inc.
>
> 201 Jones Road
>
> Waltham, MA 02451
>
> U.S.A.
>
> Tel: 1-781-370-8929
>
> Email: norbert.schade@conexant.com
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Hi Norbert,<br><br>Look at &quot;JobConstraintsS=
upported&quot; and &quot;JobResolversSupported&quot; in <br>SM &quot;Servic=
eTypes.xsd&quot;<br><br></div>Cheers,<br></div>- Ira<br><br></div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_extra">

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rchitect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux =
Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<=
br>

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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Michael=
 Sweet <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com" target=3D"=
_blank">msweet@apple.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex">

<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Norbert,<div><br></div><div>IPP does ha=
ve a notion of constraints (job-constraints-supported and job-resolvers-sup=
ported); I don&#39;t know whether the SM has incorporated those yet or not.=
</div>

<div><div class=3D"h5"><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jan 27, 2014, a=
t 2:01 PM, Norbert Schade &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com=
" target=3D"_blank">Norbert.Schade@conexant.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite">

<div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-US"><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Michael,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">I do not see any support for c=
onstraints in the SM.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">For eSCL I have to pro=
vide a set of PlatenInputCaps and at least one AdfInputCaps.<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">One way to g=
et out of that dilemma is to provide two full scan device descriptions -&gt=
; two services.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">If I do it that way we=
 have to tell our MFP LCD which of the services (resp sets of caps) is defa=
ult. Or just go by alphabetical order and show the first or something simil=
ar.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Norbert<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0</span></=
p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0=
pt 0in 0in 0in">

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Michael =
Sweet [<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com" target=3D"_blank">mailto:msweet@=
apple.com</a>] <br>

<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 1:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> Norbert Schade<=
br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org" target=3D"_blank">ipp@pwg.org<=
/a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] named services<u></u><u></u></span></p></d=
iv>

</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">No=
rbert,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Currently there is no notion of a default s=
ervice in (standard) IPP or the SM. =A0CUPS has a pair of extension operati=
ons for getting and setting the default printer (and at one point even allo=
wed a server to advertise it as a sort-of &quot;default network printer&quo=
t; that clients could prefer, with the usual security caveats), however tho=
se operations are now rarely used as mobile computing has made the notion o=
f a default printer location-specific.<u></u><u></u></p>

</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">What are you trying to do?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
=A0=A0<u></u><u></u></p>

<div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Jan 27, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Norbert Schad=
e &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com" target=3D"_blank">Norb=
ert.Schade@conexant.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal">

<br><br><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:=
#1f497d">Ok, found a ServiceName under ImagingServiceDescriptionType.</span=
><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">I g=
uess that will help me with the name.</span><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">You have another=
 idea how to make one of many services the default?</span><u></u><u></u></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">

<span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div style=
=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Norbert S=
chade <br>

<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 12:41 PM<br><b>To:</b> &#39;Michael S=
weet&#39;<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org" target=3D"_blank">ip=
p@pwg.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [IPP] named services</span><u></u><u><=
/u></p>

</div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">There=92s always the chance that I misint=
erpret something.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"color:#1f497d">But the excerpt below is from the ScanService.xsd schem=
a. I can=92t find anything that looks like what you have in mind.</span><u>=
</u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">And so far I think I=
=92m looking at the right object.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">

<span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
 &lt;!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services --&gt;</span><u></u><u></u></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:complexType name=3D&quot;ScanServicesType&q=
uot;&gt;</span><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &l=
t;xs:sequence&gt;</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanService&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot=
;0&quot; maxOccurs=3D&quot;unbounded&quot;/&gt;</span><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &l=
t;/xs:sequence&gt;</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D&qu=
ot;##other&quot; processContents=3D&quot;lax&quot;/&gt;</span><u></u><u></u=
></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &l=
t;!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services --&gt;</span><u></u><u></u></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;/xs:complexType&gt;</span><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:element name=3D&quot;ScanServices&quot; typ=
e=3D&quot;ScanServicesType&quot;/&gt;</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;!-- ScanService - object --&gt;</span><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:complexType name=3D&quot;ScanServiceBaseTyp=
e&quot;&gt;</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"c=
olor:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:sequence&gt;</span><u></u><u></u><=
/p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;Sc=
anServiceCapabilities&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot;/&gt;</span><u></u><u>=
</u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">

<span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanServiceCapabilitiesRea=
dy&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot;/&gt;</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
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=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &lt;xs:element name=3D&quot;ScanService&quot; type=
=3D&quot;ScanServiceType&quot;/&gt;</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"Mso=
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<div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt=
 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&qu=
ot;"> Michael Sweet [<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com" target=3D"_blank">=
mailto:msweet@apple.com</a>] <br>

<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 12:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> Norbert Schade=
<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org" target=3D"_blank">ipp@pwg.org=
</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] named services</span><u></u><u></u></p></=
div>

</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">No=
rbert,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Doesn&#39;t the existing IPP printer-name a=
ttribute (SM ServiceName element) already provide this?<u></u><u></u></p>

</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Jan=
 27, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Norbert Schade &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Norbert.Schade=
@conexant.com" target=3D"_blank">Norbert.Schade@conexant.com</a>&gt; wrote:=
<u></u><u></u></p>

</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">=A0<u></u><u></=
u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I am heavily working with the scan servic=
e these days.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">So my note comes out =
of that effort.<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">But I think this is a rather general question after =
all.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">A service is typically quite a complex object.<u></u><u></u>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">
A name that identifies a service on the highest level would in many cases e=
ase the management and debugging of functionality that deals with services.=
<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">And if I had more than one service=
 in my scan service xml instance I=92d prefer one to be the default (servic=
es have their own defaults, but a service itself cannot be the default with=
in a services group).<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I helped=
 myself by adding a vendor extension (a simple attribute) to the ScanServic=
es and ScanService objects.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u><=
/u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I could even imagine to add an ID attribute to a Sca=
nService object and an IDREF attribute to the ScanServices object.<u></u><u=
></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">But I can=92t really do that with vendor ex=
tensions.<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Just won=
dering if other people also feel that a named service and a default referen=
ce to such a named service might improve the situation.<u></u><u></u></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal">

Regards<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert<u></u><u></u></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0<u></u>=
<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert Schade<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">

Systems Engineer (printing)<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Imaging=
 Solutions<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Conexant Systems, Inc.<u=
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Yes, both JobResolversSupported and JobConstraintsSupported have been incor=
porated in SM.

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Michael=
 Sweet
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 11:06 AM
To: Norbert Schade
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] named services

Norbert,

IPP does have a notion of constraints (job-constraints-supported and job-re=
solvers-supported); I don't know whether the SM has incorporated those yet =
or not.


On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Norbert Schade <Norbert.Schade@conexant.com<ma=
ilto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com>> wrote:


Michael,
I do not see any support for constraints in the SM.
For eSCL I have to provide a set of PlatenInputCaps and at least one AdfInp=
utCaps.
One way to get out of that dilemma is to provide two full scan device descr=
iptions -> two services.
If I do it that way we have to tell our MFP LCD which of the services (resp=
 sets of caps) is default. Or just go by alphabetical order and show the fi=
rst or something similar.
Norbert

From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 1:56 PM
To: Norbert Schade
Cc: ipp@pwg.org<mailto:ipp@pwg.org>
Subject: Re: [IPP] named services

Norbert,

Currently there is no notion of a default service in (standard) IPP or the =
SM.  CUPS has a pair of extension operations for getting and setting the de=
fault printer (and at one point even allowed a server to advertise it as a =
sort-of "default network printer" that clients could prefer, with the usual=
 security caveats), however those operations are now rarely used as mobile =
computing has made the notion of a default printer location-specific.

What are you trying to do?


On Jan 27, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Norbert Schade <Norbert.Schade@conexant.com<ma=
ilto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com>> wrote:



Ok, found a ServiceName under ImagingServiceDescriptionType.
I guess that will help me with the name.

You have another idea how to make one of many services the default?

From: Norbert Schade
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:41 PM
To: 'Michael Sweet'
Cc: ipp@pwg.org<mailto:ipp@pwg.org>
Subject: RE: [IPP] named services

There's always the chance that I misinterpret something.
But the excerpt below is from the ScanService.xsd schema. I can't find anyt=
hing that looks like what you have in mind.
And so far I think I'm looking at the right object.

                <!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services -->
                <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServicesType">
                                <xs:sequence>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
ice" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
                                </xs:sequence>
                                <xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D"##other" proc=
essContents=3D"lax"/>
                                <!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services --=
>
                </xs:complexType>
                <xs:element name=3D"ScanServices" type=3D"ScanServicesType"=
/>
                <!-- ScanService - object -->
                <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServiceBaseType">
                                <xs:sequence>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceCapabilities" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceCapabilitiesReady" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceConfiguration" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceDefaults" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceDescription"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceStatus"/>
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r" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
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essContents=3D"lax"/>
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erviceBaseType">
                                                                <xs:sequenc=
e>
                                                                           =
     <xs:element name=3D"JobTable">
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                                                                           =
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                                                                           =
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                                </xs:complexContent>
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                <xs:element name=3D"ScanService" type=3D"ScanServiceType"/>

From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:18 PM
To: Norbert Schade
Cc: ipp@pwg.org<mailto:ipp@pwg.org>
Subject: Re: [IPP] named services

Norbert,

Doesn't the existing IPP printer-name attribute (SM ServiceName element) al=
ready provide this?


On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Norbert Schade <Norbert.Schade@conexant.com<m=
ailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com>> wrote:

I am heavily working with the scan service these days.
So my note comes out of that effort.
But I think this is a rather general question after all.

A service is typically quite a complex object.
A name that identifies a service on the highest level would in many cases e=
ase the management and debugging of functionality that deals with services.
And if I had more than one service in my scan service xml instance I'd pref=
er one to be the default (services have their own defaults, but a service i=
tself cannot be the default within a services group).

I helped myself by adding a vendor extension (a simple attribute) to the Sc=
anServices and ScanService objects.

I could even imagine to add an ID attribute to a ScanService object and an =
IDREF attribute to the ScanServices object.
But I can't really do that with vendor extensions.

Just wondering if other people also feel that a named service and a default=
 reference to such a named service might improve the situation.
Regards
Norbert


Norbert Schade
Systems Engineer (printing)
Imaging Solutions
Conexant Systems, Inc.
201 Jones Road
Waltham, MA 02451
U.S.A.
Tel: 1-781-370-8929
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Sweet<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 11:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Norbert Schade<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I do not see any suppo=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">For eSCL I have to pro=
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:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">One way to get out of =
that dilemma is to provide two full scan device descriptions -&gt; two serv=
ices.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">If I do it that way we=
 have to tell our MFP LCD which of the services (resp sets of caps) is defa=
ult. Or just go by alphabetical order and show the first or something simil=
ar.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Norbert</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Michael =
Sweet [<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com">mailto:msweet@apple.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 1:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Norbert Schade<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] named services</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert,<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Currently there is no notion of a default service in=
 (standard) IPP or the SM. &nbsp;CUPS has a pair of extension operations fo=
r getting and setting the default printer (and at one point even allowed a =
server to advertise it as a sort-of &quot;default
 network printer&quot; that clients could prefer, with the usual security c=
aveats), however those operations are now rarely used as mobile computing h=
as made the notion of a default printer location-specific.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">What are you trying to do?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Jan 27, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Norbert Schade &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com">Norbert.Schade@conexant.com</a>&=
gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Ok, found a ServiceNam=
e under ImagingServiceDescriptionType.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I guess that will help=
 me with the name.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">You have another idea =
how to make one of many services the default?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Norbert =
Schade
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 12:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Michael Sweet'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [IPP] named services</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">There&#8217;s always t=
he chance that I misinterpret something.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">But the excerpt below =
is from the ScanService.xsd schema. I can&#8217;t find anything that looks =
like what you have in mind.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">And so far I think I&#=
8217;m looking at the right object.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;!-=
- ScanServices - set of Scan services --&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs=
:complexType name=3D&quot;ScanServicesType&quot;&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:sequence&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanService&=
quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot; maxOccurs=3D&quot;unbounded&quot;/&gt;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:sequence&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D&quot;##other&quot; processC=
ontents=3D&quot;lax&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services --&gt;</span><o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/x=
s:complexType&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs=
:element name=3D&quot;ScanServices&quot; type=3D&quot;ScanServicesType&quot=
;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;!-=
- ScanService - object --&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs=
:complexType name=3D&quot;ScanServiceBaseType&quot;&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:sequence&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanServiceC=
apabilities&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanServiceC=
apabilitiesReady&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanServiceC=
onfiguration&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanServiceD=
efaults&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanServiceD=
escription&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanServiceS=
tatus&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:any namespace=3D&quot;##other&qu=
ot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot; maxOccurs=3D&quot;unbounded&quot;/&gt;</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:sequence&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D&quot;##other&quot; processC=
ontents=3D&quot;lax&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;!-- ScanService - object --&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/x=
s:complexType&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs=
:complexType name=3D&quot;ScanServiceType&quot;&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:complexContent&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:extension base=3D&quot;ScanServi=
ceBaseType&quot;&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:sequence&gt=
;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; &lt;xs:element name=3D&quot;JobTable&quot;&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:complexType&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:sequence&gt;</span><o:p=
></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:el=
ement name=3D&quot;ActiveJobs&quot; type=3D&quot;ScanJobsType&quot;/&gt;</s=
pan><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:el=
ement name=3D&quot;JobHistory&quot; type=3D&quot;ScanJobsType&quot; minOccu=
rs=3D&quot;0&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:an=
y namespace=3D&quot;##other&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot; maxOccurs=3D&qu=
ot;unbounded&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:sequence&gt;</span><o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
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p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/x=
s:complexType&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs=
:element name=3D&quot;ScanService&quot; type=3D&quot;ScanServiceType&quot;/=
&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
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;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Michael =
Sweet [<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com">mailto:msweet@apple.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 12:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Norbert Schade<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] named services</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert,<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Doesn't the existing IPP printer-name attribute (SM =
ServiceName element) already provide this?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Norbert Schade &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com">Norbert.Schade@conexant.com</a>=
&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I am heavily working with the scan service these day=
s.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">So my note comes out of that effort.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">But I think this is a rather general question after =
all.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">A service is typically quite a complex object.<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">A name that identifies a service on the highest leve=
l would in many cases ease the management and debugging of functionality th=
at deals with services.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">And if I had more than one service in my scan servic=
e xml instance I&#8217;d prefer one to be the default (services have their =
own defaults, but a service itself cannot be the default within a services =
group).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I helped myself by adding a vendor extension (a simp=
le attribute) to the ScanServices and ScanService objects.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I could even imagine to add an ID attribute to a Sca=
nService object and an IDREF attribute to the ScanServices object.<o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">But I can&#8217;t really do that with vendor extensi=
ons.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Just wondering if other people also feel that a name=
d service and a default reference to such a named service might improve the=
 situation.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert Schade<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Systems Engineer (printing)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Imaging Solutions<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Tel: 1-781-370-8929<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Email: <a href=3D"mailto:norbert.schade@conexant.com=
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From: Norbert Schade <Norbert.Schade@conexant.com>
To: "Manchala, Daniel" <Daniel.Manchala@xerox.com>, 'Michael Sweet' <msweet@apple.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 11:13:43 -0800
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I'll check, thanks for your feedback.

From: Manchala, Daniel [mailto:Daniel.Manchala@xerox.com]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 2:12 PM
To: 'Michael Sweet'; Norbert Schade
Cc: 'ipp@pwg.org'
Subject: RE: [IPP] named services

Yes, both JobResolversSupported and JobConstraintsSupported have been incor=
porated in SM.

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org<mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org> [mailto:ipp-bounces@p=
wg.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweet
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 11:06 AM
To: Norbert Schade
Cc: ipp@pwg.org<mailto:ipp@pwg.org>
Subject: Re: [IPP] named services

Norbert,

IPP does have a notion of constraints (job-constraints-supported and job-re=
solvers-supported); I don't know whether the SM has incorporated those yet =
or not.


On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Norbert Schade <Norbert.Schade@conexant.com<ma=
ilto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com>> wrote:

Michael,
I do not see any support for constraints in the SM.
For eSCL I have to provide a set of PlatenInputCaps and at least one AdfInp=
utCaps.
One way to get out of that dilemma is to provide two full scan device descr=
iptions -> two services.
If I do it that way we have to tell our MFP LCD which of the services (resp=
 sets of caps) is default. Or just go by alphabetical order and show the fi=
rst or something similar.
Norbert

From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 1:56 PM
To: Norbert Schade
Cc: ipp@pwg.org<mailto:ipp@pwg.org>
Subject: Re: [IPP] named services

Norbert,

Currently there is no notion of a default service in (standard) IPP or the =
SM.  CUPS has a pair of extension operations for getting and setting the de=
fault printer (and at one point even allowed a server to advertise it as a =
sort-of "default network printer" that clients could prefer, with the usual=
 security caveats), however those operations are now rarely used as mobile =
computing has made the notion of a default printer location-specific.

What are you trying to do?


On Jan 27, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Norbert Schade <Norbert.Schade@conexant.com<ma=
ilto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com>> wrote:


Ok, found a ServiceName under ImagingServiceDescriptionType.
I guess that will help me with the name.

You have another idea how to make one of many services the default?

From: Norbert Schade
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:41 PM
To: 'Michael Sweet'
Cc: ipp@pwg.org<mailto:ipp@pwg.org>
Subject: RE: [IPP] named services

There's always the chance that I misinterpret something.
But the excerpt below is from the ScanService.xsd schema. I can't find anyt=
hing that looks like what you have in mind.
And so far I think I'm looking at the right object.

                <!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services -->
                <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServicesType">
                                <xs:sequence>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
ice" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
                                </xs:sequence>
                                <xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D"##other" proc=
essContents=3D"lax"/>
                                <!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services --=
>
                </xs:complexType>
                <xs:element name=3D"ScanServices" type=3D"ScanServicesType"=
/>
                <!-- ScanService - object -->
                <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServiceBaseType">
                                <xs:sequence>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceCapabilities" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceCapabilitiesReady" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceConfiguration" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceDefaults" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceDescription"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceStatus"/>
                                                <xs:any namespace=3D"##othe=
r" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
                                </xs:sequence>
                                <xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D"##other" proc=
essContents=3D"lax"/>
                                <!-- ScanService - object -->
                </xs:complexType>
                <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServiceType">
                                <xs:complexContent>
                                                <xs:extension base=3D"ScanS=
erviceBaseType">
                                                                <xs:sequenc=
e>
                                                                           =
     <xs:element name=3D"JobTable">
                                                                           =
                     <xs:complexType>
                                                                           =
                                     <xs:sequence>
                                                                           =
                                                     <xs:element name=3D"Ac=
tiveJobs" type=3D"ScanJobsType"/>
                                                                           =
                                                     <xs:element name=3D"Jo=
bHistory" type=3D"ScanJobsType" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                                           =
                                                     <xs:any namespace=3D"#=
#other" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
                                                                           =
                                     </xs:sequence>
                                                                           =
                     </xs:complexType>
                                                                           =
     </xs:element>
                                                                </xs:sequen=
ce>
                                                </xs:extension>
                                </xs:complexContent>
                </xs:complexType>
                <xs:element name=3D"ScanService" type=3D"ScanServiceType"/>

From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:18 PM
To: Norbert Schade
Cc: ipp@pwg.org<mailto:ipp@pwg.org>
Subject: Re: [IPP] named services

Norbert,

Doesn't the existing IPP printer-name attribute (SM ServiceName element) al=
ready provide this?


On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Norbert Schade <Norbert.Schade@conexant.com<m=
ailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com>> wrote:

I am heavily working with the scan service these days.
So my note comes out of that effort.
But I think this is a rather general question after all.

A service is typically quite a complex object.
A name that identifies a service on the highest level would in many cases e=
ase the management and debugging of functionality that deals with services.
And if I had more than one service in my scan service xml instance I'd pref=
er one to be the default (services have their own defaults, but a service i=
tself cannot be the default within a services group).

I helped myself by adding a vendor extension (a simple attribute) to the Sc=
anServices and ScanService objects.

I could even imagine to add an ID attribute to a ScanService object and an =
IDREF attribute to the ScanServices object.
But I can't really do that with vendor extensions.

Just wondering if other people also feel that a named service and a default=
 reference to such a named service might improve the situation.
Regards
Norbert


Norbert Schade
Systems Engineer (printing)
Imaging Solutions
Conexant Systems, Inc.
201 Jones Road
Waltham, MA 02451
U.S.A.
Tel: 1-781-370-8929
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<o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vli=
nk=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'c=
olor:#1F497D'>I&#8217;ll check, thanks for your feedback.<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;paddi=
ng:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Manchala, Daniel [mailto:Dan=
iel.Manchala@xerox.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 2:12 PM<b=
r><b>To:</b> 'Michael Sweet'; Norbert Schade<br><b>Cc:</b> 'ipp@pwg.org'<br=
><b>Subject:</b> RE: [IPP] named services<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'color:#1F497D'>Yes, both JobResolversSupported and JobConstraintsSuppor=
ted have been incorporated in SM.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=
=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma"=
,"sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">ipp-bounces@=
pwg.org</a> [<a href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.=
org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Sweet<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January =
27, 2014 11:06 AM<br><b>To:</b> Norbert Schade<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mai=
lto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] named service=
s<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Norbert,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>IPP does have a notion of=
 constraints (job-constraints-supported and job-resolvers-supported); I don=
't know whether the SM has incorporated those yet or not.<o:p></o:p></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMso=
Normal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Jan 27, 2014,=
 at 2:01 PM, Norbert Schade &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.c=
om">Norbert.Schade@conexant.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Michael,</span><o:p></o:p></p=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I do not see any suppor=
t for constraints in the SM.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><spa=
n style=3D'color:#1F497D'>For eSCL I have to provide a set of PlatenInputCa=
ps and at least one AdfInputCaps.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>One way to get out of that dilemma is to pro=
vide two full scan device descriptions -&gt; two services.</span><o:p></o:p=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>If I do it that way=
 we have to tell our MFP LCD which of the services (resp sets of caps) is d=
efault. Or just go by alphabetical order and show the first or something si=
milar.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F49=
7D'>Norbert</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:=
#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-=
top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>=
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</s=
pan></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>=
 Michael Sweet [<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com">mailto:msweet@apple.com=
</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 1:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> Norbe=
rt Schade<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br><=
b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] named services</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Norbert,<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>Currently there is no notion of a default service in (standard=
) IPP or the SM. &nbsp;CUPS has a pair of extension operations for getting =
and setting the default printer (and at one point even allowed a server to =
advertise it as a sort-of &quot;default network printer&quot; that clients =
could prefer, with the usual security caveats), however those operations ar=
e now rarely used as mobile computing has made the notion of a default prin=
ter location-specific.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;=
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>What are you trying to do?<o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal>On Jan 27, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Norbert Schade &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Nor=
bert.Schade@conexant.com">Norbert.Schade@conexant.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></=
o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><=
o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ok, f=
ound a ServiceName under ImagingServiceDescriptionType.</span><o:p></o:p></=
p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I guess that will help=
 me with the name.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D=
'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span styl=
e=3D'color:#1F497D'>You have another idea how to make one of many services =
the default?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color=
:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border=
-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b=
><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</=
span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'=
> Norbert Schade <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 12:41 PM<br><b>T=
o:</b> 'Michael Sweet'<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg=
.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [IPP] named services</span><o:p></o:p></p><=
/div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>There&#8217;s always the chance that I misinte=
rpret something.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'c=
olor:#1F497D'>But the excerpt below is from the ScanService.xsd schema. I c=
an&#8217;t find anything that looks like what you have in mind.</span><o:p>=
</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>And so far I t=
hink I&#8217;m looking at the right object.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;!-- Scan=
Services - set of Scan services --&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:complexType name=
=3D&quot;ScanServicesType&quot;&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;x=
s:sequence&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'col=
or:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;x=
s:element ref=3D&quot;ScanService&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot; maxOccurs=
=3D&quot;unbounded&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><sp=
an style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:seq=
uence&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1=
F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:anyAttribute namespace=
=3D&quot;##other&quot; processContents=3D&quot;lax&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></=
o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services --&gt;</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:complexType&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element name=3D&quot;=
ScanServices&quot; type=3D&quot;ScanServicesType&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &l=
t;!-- ScanService - object --&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:complexType name=3D&q=
uot;ScanServiceBaseType&quot;&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:=
sequence&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color=
:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:=
element ref=3D&quot;ScanServiceCapabilities&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot;=
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D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element=
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gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'=
>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element r=
ef=3D&quot;ScanServiceConfiguration&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot;/&gt;</s=
pan><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D&=
quot;ScanServiceDefaults&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></=
o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanSe=
rviceDescription&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span=
 style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanServiceStatus&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p>=
</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:any namespace=3D&quot;##=
other&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot; maxOccurs=3D&quot;unbounded&quot;/&gt=
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nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
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sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
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p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;!-- S=
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style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:complexType&gt;</span><o:p>=
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
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;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:extension base=3D&quot;ScanServiceBaseType=
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nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
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nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:sequence&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element name=
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 style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;=
xs:complexType&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D=
'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; &lt;xs:sequence&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span=
 style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element name=3D&quot;ActiveJob=
s&quot; type=3D&quot;ScanJobsType&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element name=
=3D&quot;JobHistory&quot; type=3D&quot;ScanJobsType&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot=
;0&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'colo=
r:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:any namespace=3D&quot;##other&quot; minOccur=
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/p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:sequence&gt;</span><o=
:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:complexType&gt;</span><o:p></o:p=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; &lt;/xs:element&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span s=
tyle=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:sequence&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:extension&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:complexContent&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:complexType&gt;</s=
pan><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element name=3D&quot;ScanService&quot; type=3D&quot;ScanS=
erviceType&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style=3D'border:no=
ne;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMso=
Normal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"=
'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","san=
s-serif"'> Michael Sweet [<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com">mailto:msweet=
@apple.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 12:18 PM<br><b>To=
:</b> Norbert Schade<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.o=
rg</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] named services</span><o:p></o:p></p></d=
iv></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Nor=
bert,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal>Doesn't the existing IPP printer-name attribute (SM=
 ServiceName element) already provide this?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<=
o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:03 PM, =
Norbert Schade &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com">Norbert.S=
chade@conexant.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al>I am heavily working with the scan service these days.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>So my note comes out of that effort.<o:p></o:p></p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal>But I think this is a rather general question after all.<o:p=
></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>A=
 service is typically quite a complex object.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal>A name that identifies a service on the highest level would in many c=
ases ease the management and debugging of functionality that deals with ser=
vices.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>And if I had more than one servic=
e in my scan service xml instance I&#8217;d prefer one to be the default (s=
ervices have their own defaults, but a service itself cannot be the default=
 within a services group).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></=
o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I helped myself by adding a vendor extension (=
a simple attribute) to the ScanServices and ScanService objects.<o:p></o:p>=
</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I could =
even imagine to add an ID attribute to a ScanService object and an IDREF at=
tribute to the ScanServices object.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>But =
I can&#8217;t really do that with vendor extensions.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Just wondering if ot=
her people also feel that a named service and a default reference to such a=
 named service might improve the situation.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal>Regards<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Norbert<o:p></o:p></p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p><=
/p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Norbert Schade<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>S=
ystems Engineer (printing)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Imaging Solut=
ions<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Conexant Systems, Inc.<o:p></o:p></=
p><p class=3DMsoNormal>201 Jones Road<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Wa=
ltham, MA 02451<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>U.S.A.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Tel: 1-781-370-8929<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Em=
ail: <a href=3D"mailto:norbert.schade@conexant.com">norbert.schade@conexant=
.com</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>Conexan=
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The version I'm working with (1.185) does list a JobResolversSupported obje=
ct as an extension of ImagingServicesDescriptionType within the print servi=
ce, not within the scan service (that extension is much shorter).
Is there a merge of some sort going on right now?

From: Manchala, Daniel [mailto:Daniel.Manchala@xerox.com]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 2:12 PM
To: 'Michael Sweet'; Norbert Schade
Cc: 'ipp@pwg.org'
Subject: RE: [IPP] named services

Yes, both JobResolversSupported and JobConstraintsSupported have been incor=
porated in SM.

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org<mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org> [mailto:ipp-bounces@p=
wg.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweet
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 11:06 AM
To: Norbert Schade
Cc: ipp@pwg.org<mailto:ipp@pwg.org>
Subject: Re: [IPP] named services

Norbert,

IPP does have a notion of constraints (job-constraints-supported and job-re=
solvers-supported); I don't know whether the SM has incorporated those yet =
or not.


On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Norbert Schade <Norbert.Schade@conexant.com<ma=
ilto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com>> wrote:

Michael,
I do not see any support for constraints in the SM.
For eSCL I have to provide a set of PlatenInputCaps and at least one AdfInp=
utCaps.
One way to get out of that dilemma is to provide two full scan device descr=
iptions -> two services.
If I do it that way we have to tell our MFP LCD which of the services (resp=
 sets of caps) is default. Or just go by alphabetical order and show the fi=
rst or something similar.
Norbert

From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 1:56 PM
To: Norbert Schade
Cc: ipp@pwg.org<mailto:ipp@pwg.org>
Subject: Re: [IPP] named services

Norbert,

Currently there is no notion of a default service in (standard) IPP or the =
SM.  CUPS has a pair of extension operations for getting and setting the de=
fault printer (and at one point even allowed a server to advertise it as a =
sort-of "default network printer" that clients could prefer, with the usual=
 security caveats), however those operations are now rarely used as mobile =
computing has made the notion of a default printer location-specific.

What are you trying to do?


On Jan 27, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Norbert Schade <Norbert.Schade@conexant.com<ma=
ilto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com>> wrote:


Ok, found a ServiceName under ImagingServiceDescriptionType.
I guess that will help me with the name.

You have another idea how to make one of many services the default?

From: Norbert Schade
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:41 PM
To: 'Michael Sweet'
Cc: ipp@pwg.org<mailto:ipp@pwg.org>
Subject: RE: [IPP] named services

There's always the chance that I misinterpret something.
But the excerpt below is from the ScanService.xsd schema. I can't find anyt=
hing that looks like what you have in mind.
And so far I think I'm looking at the right object.

                <!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services -->
                <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServicesType">
                                <xs:sequence>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
ice" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
                                </xs:sequence>
                                <xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D"##other" proc=
essContents=3D"lax"/>
                                <!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services --=
>
                </xs:complexType>
                <xs:element name=3D"ScanServices" type=3D"ScanServicesType"=
/>
                <!-- ScanService - object -->
                <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServiceBaseType">
                                <xs:sequence>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceCapabilities" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceCapabilitiesReady" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceConfiguration" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceDefaults" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceDescription"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceStatus"/>
                                                <xs:any namespace=3D"##othe=
r" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
                                </xs:sequence>
                                <xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D"##other" proc=
essContents=3D"lax"/>
                                <!-- ScanService - object -->
                </xs:complexType>
                <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServiceType">
                                <xs:complexContent>
                                                <xs:extension base=3D"ScanS=
erviceBaseType">
                                                                <xs:sequenc=
e>
                                                                           =
     <xs:element name=3D"JobTable">
                                                                           =
                     <xs:complexType>
                                                                           =
                                     <xs:sequence>
                                                                           =
                                                     <xs:element name=3D"Ac=
tiveJobs" type=3D"ScanJobsType"/>
                                                                           =
                                                     <xs:element name=3D"Jo=
bHistory" type=3D"ScanJobsType" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                                           =
                                                     <xs:any namespace=3D"#=
#other" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
                                                                           =
                                     </xs:sequence>
                                                                           =
                     </xs:complexType>
                                                                           =
     </xs:element>
                                                                </xs:sequen=
ce>
                                                </xs:extension>
                                </xs:complexContent>
                </xs:complexType>
                <xs:element name=3D"ScanService" type=3D"ScanServiceType"/>

From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:18 PM
To: Norbert Schade
Cc: ipp@pwg.org<mailto:ipp@pwg.org>
Subject: Re: [IPP] named services

Norbert,

Doesn't the existing IPP printer-name attribute (SM ServiceName element) al=
ready provide this?


On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Norbert Schade <Norbert.Schade@conexant.com<m=
ailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com>> wrote:

I am heavily working with the scan service these days.
So my note comes out of that effort.
But I think this is a rather general question after all.

A service is typically quite a complex object.
A name that identifies a service on the highest level would in many cases e=
ase the management and debugging of functionality that deals with services.
And if I had more than one service in my scan service xml instance I'd pref=
er one to be the default (services have their own defaults, but a service i=
tself cannot be the default within a services group).

I helped myself by adding a vendor extension (a simple attribute) to the Sc=
anServices and ScanService objects.

I could even imagine to add an ID attribute to a ScanService object and an =
IDREF attribute to the ScanServices object.
But I can't really do that with vendor extensions.

Just wondering if other people also feel that a named service and a default=
 reference to such a named service might improve the situation.
Regards
Norbert


Norbert Schade
Systems Engineer (printing)
Imaging Solutions
Conexant Systems, Inc.
201 Jones Road
Waltham, MA 02451
U.S.A.
Tel: 1-781-370-8929
Email: norbert.schade@conexant.com<mailto:norbert.schade@conexant.com>


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nk=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'c=
olor:#1F497D'>The version I&#8217;m working with (1.185) does list a JobRes=
olversSupported object as an extension of ImagingServicesDescriptionType wi=
thin the print service, not within the scan service (that extension is much=
 shorter).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#=
1F497D'>Is there a merge of some sort going on right now?<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;paddi=
ng:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Manchala, Daniel [mailto:Dan=
iel.Manchala@xerox.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 2:12 PM<b=
r><b>To:</b> 'Michael Sweet'; Norbert Schade<br><b>Cc:</b> 'ipp@pwg.org'<br=
><b>Subject:</b> RE: [IPP] named services<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'color:#1F497D'>Yes, both JobResolversSupported and JobConstraintsSuppor=
ted have been incorporated in SM.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=
=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma"=
,"sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">ipp-bounces@=
pwg.org</a> [<a href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.=
org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Sweet<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January =
27, 2014 11:06 AM<br><b>To:</b> Norbert Schade<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mai=
lto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] named service=
s<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Norbert,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>IPP does have a notion of=
 constraints (job-constraints-supported and job-resolvers-supported); I don=
't know whether the SM has incorporated those yet or not.<o:p></o:p></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMso=
Normal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Jan 27, 2014,=
 at 2:01 PM, Norbert Schade &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.c=
om">Norbert.Schade@conexant.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Michael,</span><o:p></o:p></p=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I do not see any suppor=
t for constraints in the SM.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><spa=
n style=3D'color:#1F497D'>For eSCL I have to provide a set of PlatenInputCa=
ps and at least one AdfInputCaps.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>One way to get out of that dilemma is to pro=
vide two full scan device descriptions -&gt; two services.</span><o:p></o:p=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>If I do it that way=
 we have to tell our MFP LCD which of the services (resp sets of caps) is d=
efault. Or just go by alphabetical order and show the first or something si=
milar.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F49=
7D'>Norbert</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:=
#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-=
top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>=
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</s=
pan></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>=
 Michael Sweet [<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com">mailto:msweet@apple.com=
</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 1:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> Norbe=
rt Schade<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br><=
b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] named services</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Norbert,<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>Currently there is no notion of a default service in (standard=
) IPP or the SM. &nbsp;CUPS has a pair of extension operations for getting =
and setting the default printer (and at one point even allowed a server to =
advertise it as a sort-of &quot;default network printer&quot; that clients =
could prefer, with the usual security caveats), however those operations ar=
e now rarely used as mobile computing has made the notion of a default prin=
ter location-specific.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;=
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>What are you trying to do?<o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal>On Jan 27, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Norbert Schade &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Nor=
bert.Schade@conexant.com">Norbert.Schade@conexant.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></=
o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><=
o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ok, f=
ound a ServiceName under ImagingServiceDescriptionType.</span><o:p></o:p></=
p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>I guess that will help=
 me with the name.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D=
'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span styl=
e=3D'color:#1F497D'>You have another idea how to make one of many services =
the default?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color=
:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border=
-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b=
><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</=
span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'=
> Norbert Schade <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 12:41 PM<br><b>T=
o:</b> 'Michael Sweet'<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg=
.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [IPP] named services</span><o:p></o:p></p><=
/div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>There&#8217;s always the chance that I misinte=
rpret something.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'c=
olor:#1F497D'>But the excerpt below is from the ScanService.xsd schema. I c=
an&#8217;t find anything that looks like what you have in mind.</span><o:p>=
</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>And so far I t=
hink I&#8217;m looking at the right object.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;!-- Scan=
Services - set of Scan services --&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:complexType name=
=3D&quot;ScanServicesType&quot;&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;x=
s:sequence&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'col=
or:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;x=
s:element ref=3D&quot;ScanService&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot; maxOccurs=
=3D&quot;unbounded&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><sp=
an style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:seq=
uence&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1=
F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:anyAttribute namespace=
=3D&quot;##other&quot; processContents=3D&quot;lax&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></=
o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services --&gt;</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:complexType&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element name=3D&quot;=
ScanServices&quot; type=3D&quot;ScanServicesType&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &l=
t;!-- ScanService - object --&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:complexType name=3D&q=
uot;ScanServiceBaseType&quot;&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:=
sequence&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color=
:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:=
element ref=3D&quot;ScanServiceCapabilities&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot;=
/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element=
 ref=3D&quot;ScanServiceCapabilitiesReady&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot;/&=
gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'=
>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element r=
ef=3D&quot;ScanServiceConfiguration&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot;/&gt;</s=
pan><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D&=
quot;ScanServiceDefaults&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></=
o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanSe=
rviceDescription&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span=
 style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanServiceStatus&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p>=
</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:any namespace=3D&quot;##=
other&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot; maxOccurs=3D&quot;unbounded&quot;/&gt=
;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:sequence&gt;</span><o:p></o:p><=
/p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D&quot;##other&quot; process=
Contents=3D&quot;lax&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;!-- S=
canService - object --&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:complexType&gt;</span><o:p>=
</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
; &lt;xs:complexType name=3D&quot;ScanServiceType&quot;&gt;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:complexContent&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:extension base=3D&quot;ScanServiceBaseType=
&quot;&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#=
1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:sequence&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element name=
=3D&quot;JobTable&quot;&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span=
 style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;=
xs:complexType&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D=
'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; &lt;xs:sequence&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span=
 style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element name=3D&quot;ActiveJob=
s&quot; type=3D&quot;ScanJobsType&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element name=
=3D&quot;JobHistory&quot; type=3D&quot;ScanJobsType&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot=
;0&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'colo=
r:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:any namespace=3D&quot;##other&quot; minOccur=
s=3D&quot;0&quot; maxOccurs=3D&quot;unbounded&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p><=
/p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:sequence&gt;</span><o=
:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:complexType&gt;</span><o:p></o:p=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; &lt;/xs:element&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span s=
tyle=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:sequence&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:extension&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:complexContent&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:complexType&gt;</s=
pan><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element name=3D&quot;ScanService&quot; type=3D&quot;ScanS=
erviceType&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style=3D'border:no=
ne;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMso=
Normal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"=
'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","san=
s-serif"'> Michael Sweet [<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com">mailto:msweet=
@apple.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 12:18 PM<br><b>To=
:</b> Norbert Schade<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.o=
rg</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] named services</span><o:p></o:p></p></d=
iv></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Nor=
bert,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal>Doesn't the existing IPP printer-name attribute (SM=
 ServiceName element) already provide this?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<=
o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:03 PM, =
Norbert Schade &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com">Norbert.S=
chade@conexant.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al>I am heavily working with the scan service these days.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>So my note comes out of that effort.<o:p></o:p></p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal>But I think this is a rather general question after all.<o:p=
></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>A=
 service is typically quite a complex object.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal>A name that identifies a service on the highest level would in many c=
ases ease the management and debugging of functionality that deals with ser=
vices.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>And if I had more than one servic=
e in my scan service xml instance I&#8217;d prefer one to be the default (s=
ervices have their own defaults, but a service itself cannot be the default=
 within a services group).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></=
o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I helped myself by adding a vendor extension (=
a simple attribute) to the ScanServices and ScanService objects.<o:p></o:p>=
</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I could =
even imagine to add an ID attribute to a ScanService object and an IDREF at=
tribute to the ScanServices object.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>But =
I can&#8217;t really do that with vendor extensions.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Just wondering if ot=
her people also feel that a named service and a default reference to such a=
 named service might improve the situation.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal>Regards<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Norbert<o:p></o:p></p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p><=
/p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Norbert Schade<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>S=
ystems Engineer (printing)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Imaging Solut=
ions<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Conexant Systems, Inc.<o:p></o:p></=
p><p class=3DMsoNormal>201 Jones Road<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Wa=
ltham, MA 02451<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>U.S.A.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Tel: 1-781-370-8929<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Em=
ail: <a href=3D"mailto:norbert.schade@conexant.com">norbert.schade@conexant=
.com</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>Conexan=
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Norman,

Yes, we are looking into consolidating common attributes in all imaging ser=
vices - maybe into PwgCommon.xsd. Right now, both "JobResolversSupported" a=
nd "JobConstraintsSupported" are in ServiceTypes.xsd (as Ira mentioned, and=
 perhaps my email crossed with his).

Daniel.

From: Norbert Schade [mailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 11:23 AM
To: Manchala, Daniel; 'Michael Sweet'
Cc: 'ipp@pwg.org'
Subject: RE: [IPP] named services

The version I'm working with (1.185) does list a JobResolversSupported obje=
ct as an extension of ImagingServicesDescriptionType within the print servi=
ce, not within the scan service (that extension is much shorter).
Is there a merge of some sort going on right now?

From: Manchala, Daniel [mailto:Daniel.Manchala@xerox.com]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 2:12 PM
To: 'Michael Sweet'; Norbert Schade
Cc: 'ipp@pwg.org'
Subject: RE: [IPP] named services

Yes, both JobResolversSupported and JobConstraintsSupported have been incor=
porated in SM.

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org<mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org> [mailto:ipp-bounces@p=
wg.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweet
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 11:06 AM
To: Norbert Schade
Cc: ipp@pwg.org<mailto:ipp@pwg.org>
Subject: Re: [IPP] named services

Norbert,

IPP does have a notion of constraints (job-constraints-supported and job-re=
solvers-supported); I don't know whether the SM has incorporated those yet =
or not.


On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Norbert Schade <Norbert.Schade@conexant.com<ma=
ilto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com>> wrote:

Michael,
I do not see any support for constraints in the SM.
For eSCL I have to provide a set of PlatenInputCaps and at least one AdfInp=
utCaps.
One way to get out of that dilemma is to provide two full scan device descr=
iptions -> two services.
If I do it that way we have to tell our MFP LCD which of the services (resp=
 sets of caps) is default. Or just go by alphabetical order and show the fi=
rst or something similar.
Norbert

From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 1:56 PM
To: Norbert Schade
Cc: ipp@pwg.org<mailto:ipp@pwg.org>
Subject: Re: [IPP] named services

Norbert,

Currently there is no notion of a default service in (standard) IPP or the =
SM.  CUPS has a pair of extension operations for getting and setting the de=
fault printer (and at one point even allowed a server to advertise it as a =
sort-of "default network printer" that clients could prefer, with the usual=
 security caveats), however those operations are now rarely used as mobile =
computing has made the notion of a default printer location-specific.

What are you trying to do?


On Jan 27, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Norbert Schade <Norbert.Schade@conexant.com<ma=
ilto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com>> wrote:

Ok, found a ServiceName under ImagingServiceDescriptionType.
I guess that will help me with the name.

You have another idea how to make one of many services the default?

From: Norbert Schade
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:41 PM
To: 'Michael Sweet'
Cc: ipp@pwg.org<mailto:ipp@pwg.org>
Subject: RE: [IPP] named services

There's always the chance that I misinterpret something.
But the excerpt below is from the ScanService.xsd schema. I can't find anyt=
hing that looks like what you have in mind.
And so far I think I'm looking at the right object.

                <!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services -->
                <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServicesType">
                                <xs:sequence>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
ice" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
                                </xs:sequence>
                                <xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D"##other" proc=
essContents=3D"lax"/>
                                <!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services --=
>
                </xs:complexType>
                <xs:element name=3D"ScanServices" type=3D"ScanServicesType"=
/>
                <!-- ScanService - object -->
                <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServiceBaseType">
                                <xs:sequence>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceCapabilities" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceCapabilitiesReady" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceConfiguration" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceDefaults" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceDescription"/>
                                                <xs:element ref=3D"ScanServ=
iceStatus"/>
                                                <xs:any namespace=3D"##othe=
r" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
                                </xs:sequence>
                                <xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D"##other" proc=
essContents=3D"lax"/>
                                <!-- ScanService - object -->
                </xs:complexType>
                <xs:complexType name=3D"ScanServiceType">
                                <xs:complexContent>
                                                <xs:extension base=3D"ScanS=
erviceBaseType">
                                                                <xs:sequenc=
e>
                                                                           =
     <xs:element name=3D"JobTable">
                                                                           =
                     <xs:complexType>
                                                                           =
                                     <xs:sequence>
                                                                           =
                                                     <xs:element name=3D"Ac=
tiveJobs" type=3D"ScanJobsType"/>
                                                                           =
                                                     <xs:element name=3D"Jo=
bHistory" type=3D"ScanJobsType" minOccurs=3D"0"/>
                                                                           =
                                                     <xs:any namespace=3D"#=
#other" minOccurs=3D"0" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/>
                                                                           =
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                                                                           =
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                                                                           =
     </xs:element>
                                                                </xs:sequen=
ce>
                                                </xs:extension>
                                </xs:complexContent>
                </xs:complexType>
                <xs:element name=3D"ScanService" type=3D"ScanServiceType"/>

From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:18 PM
To: Norbert Schade
Cc: ipp@pwg.org<mailto:ipp@pwg.org>
Subject: Re: [IPP] named services

Norbert,

Doesn't the existing IPP printer-name attribute (SM ServiceName element) al=
ready provide this?


On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Norbert Schade <Norbert.Schade@conexant.com<m=
ailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com>> wrote:

I am heavily working with the scan service these days.
So my note comes out of that effort.
But I think this is a rather general question after all.

A service is typically quite a complex object.
A name that identifies a service on the highest level would in many cases e=
ase the management and debugging of functionality that deals with services.
And if I had more than one service in my scan service xml instance I'd pref=
er one to be the default (services have their own defaults, but a service i=
tself cannot be the default within a services group).

I helped myself by adding a vendor extension (a simple attribute) to the Sc=
anServices and ScanService objects.

I could even imagine to add an ID attribute to a ScanService object and an =
IDREF attribute to the ScanServices object.
But I can't really do that with vendor extensions.

Just wondering if other people also feel that a named service and a default=
 reference to such a named service might improve the situation.
Regards
Norbert


Norbert Schade
Systems Engineer (printing)
Imaging Solutions
Conexant Systems, Inc.
201 Jones Road
Waltham, MA 02451
U.S.A.
Tel: 1-781-370-8929
Email: norbert.schade@conexant.com<mailto:norbert.schade@conexant.com>


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Norman,<o:p></o:p></sp=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Yes, we are looking in=
to consolidating common attributes in all imaging services &#8211; maybe in=
to PwgCommon.xsd. Right now, both &#8220;</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497=
D">JobResolversSupported&#8221; and &#8220;JobConstraintsSupported&#8221;
 are in ServiceTypes.xsd (as Ira mentioned, and perhaps my email crossed wi=
th his).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Daniel.</span><span st=
yle=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Norbert =
Schade [mailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 11:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Manchala, Daniel; 'Michael Sweet'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'ipp@pwg.org'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [IPP] named services<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">The version I&#8217;m =
working with (1.185) does list a JobResolversSupported object as an extensi=
on of ImagingServicesDescriptionType within the print service, not within t=
he scan service (that extension is much shorter).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Is there a merge of so=
me sort going on right now?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Manchala=
, Daniel [<a href=3D"mailto:Daniel.Manchala@xerox.com">mailto:Daniel.Mancha=
la@xerox.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 2:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Michael Sweet'; Norbert Schade<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'ipp@pwg.org'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [IPP] named services<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Yes, both JobResolvers=
Supported and JobConstraintsSupported have been incorporated in SM.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
<a href=3D"mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a> [<a href=3D"=
mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Sweet<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 11:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Norbert Schade<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] named services<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert,<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">IPP does have a notion of constraints (job-constrain=
ts-supported and job-resolvers-supported); I don't know whether the SM has =
incorporated those yet or not.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Norbert Schade &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com">Norbert.Schade@conexant.com</a>&=
gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Michael,</span><o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I do not see any suppo=
rt for constraints in the SM.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">For eSCL I have to pro=
vide a set of PlatenInputCaps and at least one AdfInputCaps.</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">One way to get out of =
that dilemma is to provide two full scan device descriptions -&gt; two serv=
ices.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">If I do it that way we=
 have to tell our MFP LCD which of the services (resp sets of caps) is defa=
ult. Or just go by alphabetical order and show the first or something simil=
ar.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Norbert</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Michael =
Sweet [<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com">mailto:msweet@apple.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 1:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Norbert Schade<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] named services</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert,<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Currently there is no notion of a default service in=
 (standard) IPP or the SM. &nbsp;CUPS has a pair of extension operations fo=
r getting and setting the default printer (and at one point even allowed a =
server to advertise it as a sort-of &quot;default
 network printer&quot; that clients could prefer, with the usual security c=
aveats), however those operations are now rarely used as mobile computing h=
as made the notion of a default printer location-specific.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">What are you trying to do?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Jan 27, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Norbert Schade &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com">Norbert.Schade@conexant.com</a>&=
gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Ok, found a ServiceNam=
e under ImagingServiceDescriptionType.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I guess that will help=
 me with the name.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">You have another idea =
how to make one of many services the default?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Norbert =
Schade
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 12:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Michael Sweet'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [IPP] named services</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">There&#8217;s always t=
he chance that I misinterpret something.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">But the excerpt below =
is from the ScanService.xsd schema. I can&#8217;t find anything that looks =
like what you have in mind.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">And so far I think I&#=
8217;m looking at the right object.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;!-=
- ScanServices - set of Scan services --&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs=
:complexType name=3D&quot;ScanServicesType&quot;&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:sequence&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanService&=
quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot; maxOccurs=3D&quot;unbounded&quot;/&gt;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:sequence&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D&quot;##other&quot; processC=
ontents=3D&quot;lax&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;!-- ScanServices - set of Scan services --&gt;</span><o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/x=
s:complexType&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs=
:element name=3D&quot;ScanServices&quot; type=3D&quot;ScanServicesType&quot=
;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;!-=
- ScanService - object --&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs=
:complexType name=3D&quot;ScanServiceBaseType&quot;&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:sequence&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanServiceC=
apabilities&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanServiceC=
apabilitiesReady&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanServiceC=
onfiguration&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanServiceD=
efaults&quot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanServiceD=
escription&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:element ref=3D&quot;ScanServiceS=
tatus&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:any namespace=3D&quot;##other&qu=
ot; minOccurs=3D&quot;0&quot; maxOccurs=3D&quot;unbounded&quot;/&gt;</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/xs:sequence&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:anyAttribute namespace=3D&quot;##other&quot; processC=
ontents=3D&quot;lax&quot;/&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;!-- ScanService - object --&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/x=
s:complexType&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs=
:complexType name=3D&quot;ScanServiceType&quot;&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:complexContent&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:extension base=3D&quot;ScanServi=
ceBaseType&quot;&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:sequence&gt=
;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; &lt;xs:element name=3D&quot;JobTable&quot;&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:complexType&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:sequence&gt;</span><o:p=
></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;xs:el=
ement name=3D&quot;ActiveJobs&quot; type=3D&quot;ScanJobsType&quot;/&gt;</s=
pan><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
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<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Michael =
Sweet [<a href=3D"mailto:msweet@apple.com">mailto:msweet@apple.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 27, 2014 12:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Norbert Schade<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] named services</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert,<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Doesn't the existing IPP printer-name attribute (SM =
ServiceName element) already provide this?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Norbert Schade &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:Norbert.Schade@conexant.com">Norbert.Schade@conexant.com</a>=
&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I am heavily working with the scan service these day=
s.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">So my note comes out of that effort.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">But I think this is a rather general question after =
all.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">A service is typically quite a complex object.<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">A name that identifies a service on the highest leve=
l would in many cases ease the management and debugging of functionality th=
at deals with services.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">And if I had more than one service in my scan servic=
e xml instance I&#8217;d prefer one to be the default (services have their =
own defaults, but a service itself cannot be the default within a services =
group).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I helped myself by adding a vendor extension (a simp=
le attribute) to the ScanServices and ScanService objects.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I could even imagine to add an ID attribute to a Sca=
nService object and an IDREF attribute to the ScanServices object.<o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">But I can&#8217;t really do that with vendor extensi=
ons.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Just wondering if other people also feel that a name=
d service and a default reference to such a named service might improve the=
 situation.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Norbert Schade<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Systems Engineer (printing)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Imaging Solutions<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Conexant Systems, Inc.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">201 Jones Road<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Waltham, MA 02451<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">U.S.A.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Tel: 1-781-370-8929<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Email: <a href=3D"mailto:norbert.schade@conexant.com=
">norbert.schade@conexant.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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Hi,

IPP and Cloud slides review in 5 minutes.

BTW - the correct link to the IPP draft slides is:

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/slides/ipp-wg-agenda-february-14d1.pdf

Cheers,
- Ira


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On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 12:23 PM, William A Wagner <wamwagner@comcast.net>wrote:

> Cloud Meeting and Plenary slides for the February F2F meetings are posted
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>
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> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/slides/Cloud-WG-Plenary-Feb.pdf
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> These will be reviewed on Monday at 3PM ET, along with IPP slides.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div>IPP and Cloud slides =
review in 5 minutes.<br><br></div>BTW - the correct link to the IPP draft s=
lides is:<br><br><a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/slides/ipp-wg-age=
nda-february-14d1.pdf">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/slides/ipp-wg-agenda-f=
ebruary-14d1.pdf</a><br>

<br></div>Cheers,<br></div>- Ira<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><b=
r clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Arc=
hitect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux Fo=
undation Open Printing WG<br>

Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Int=
ernet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MI=
B<br>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)" =
href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target=3D"_blank">http:=
//sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br>

<a style=3D"color:rgb(102,0,204)" href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/high=
northinc" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><b=
r>mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blue=
roofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>

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<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></div></div>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Willia=
m A Wagner <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net" t=
arget=3D"_blank">wamwagner@comcast.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex">

<div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-US"><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Cloud Meeting and Plenary slides for the =
February F2F meetings are posted at:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">

<span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/sl=
ides/Cloud-WG-Meeting-Feb.pdf" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/=
cloud/slides/Cloud-WG-Meeting-Feb.pdf</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">

<span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><a href=3D"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/sl=
ides/Cloud-WG-Plenary-Feb.pdf" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/=
cloud/slides/Cloud-WG-Plenary-Feb.pdf</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">

<span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">These will be reviewed on Monday at 3PM=
 ET, along with IPP slides.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"color:#1f497d">IPP Slides are posted at :<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><a href=3D"ftp://ftp.p=
wg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/slides/Cloud-WG-Plenary-Feb.pdf" target=3D"_blank">ftp=
://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/slides/Cloud-WG-Plenary-Feb.pdf</a> <u></u><u>=
</u></span></p>

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n 0in 1.0pt 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:none;padding:0in"><=
span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p></div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal">

<span style=3D"color:#1f497d">T</span>here will be a<span style=3D"color:#1=
f497d">n IPP and </span>=A0Cloud <span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=A0meetings =
slide review </span>conference call on Monday<span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=
 </span><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">27</span><span style=3D"color:#1f497d=
"> January </span>at 3PM E<span style=3D"color:#1f497d">S</span>T (Noon PDT=
). <span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">=A0 Call-in toll-free=
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target=3D"_blank">1-866-469-3239</a><br>=A0 Call-in toll number (US/Canada)=
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Attendee Access Code: *******#<br>=A0 Attendee ID Code: # (empty)<br><br>If=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">PWG WebEx. <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
Topic: IPP/Cloud WG <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Date: Every Mo=
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p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">

<span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Bill Wagner<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></d=
iv><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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All,

I have posted the minutes from today's joint IPP/Cloud conference call to:

	ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20140127.pdf

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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