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boundary="===============5317985119645290517==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============5317985119645290517== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11c17f623f32420555c83de5" --001a11c17f623f32420555c83de5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, Our next IPP WG call will be Thursday 3 August 2017 at 12:00-1:30pm US Pacific / 3:00pm-4:30pm US Eastern NOTE: Please USE the *new* WebEx and Audio Bridge below ------------------------------------------------------- Meeting information ------------------------------------------------------- Topic: IPP WG Every 2 weeks on Thursday, from Thursday, May 11, 2017, to no end date 3:00 pm | Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00) | 1 hr 30 mins ------------------------------------------------------- WebEx online meeting (join first, before audio bridge) ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Go to https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?MTID=m0359478143 ca01e059a570ada91f3573 2. If requested, enter your name and email address. 3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: Printing123 4. Click "Join". ------------------------------------------------------- Audio Bridge (join second w/ unique access code from WebEx) ------------------------------------------------------- Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): +1 866 469-3239 <%28866%29%20469-3239> Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 650 429-3300 <%28650%29%20429-3300> Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 408 856-9570 <%28408%29%20856-9570> Global toll-free call in numbers and other audio options ("Call Me Back" or VoIP) are listed once you join the WebEx meeting. Unique attendee access code: Displayed in the WebEx meeting Agenda: (1) PWG IP Policy, Minute Taker, Roll Call, and Agenda Review - Mike as minute taker? (2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meetings - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20170720.pdf -- IPP WG call on 07/20/17 (3) Review of IPP WG slides for PWG Virtual F2F (Mike) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/slides/ipp-wg-agenda-august-2017d1.pdf - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/slides/ipp-wg-agenda-august-2017d1.pptx -- sole review topic for today's IPP call (4) Status of AMSC and ISO liaisons w/ PWG (Paul) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20170615.htm - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20170706.htm - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20170720.htm -- see PWG SC minutes from 06/15/17 and 07/06/17 and 07/20/17 (5) Status of PWG 3D Print Job Ticket (Mike) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-smpjt3d10-20170627.pdf -- Stable draft - LCRC responses reviewed at IPP WG on 06/29/17 -- Schedule - PWG Formal Vote started on 07/06/17 ends on 08/18/17 (6) Status of Mapping of CIP4 JDF to PWG PJT (JDFMAP) (Ira, Rick) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20170714.pdf -- Stable draft - LCRC responses reviewed at IPP WG on 07/06/17 -- Schedule - PWG Formal Vote started on 07/14/17 ends on 08/28/17 (7) Status of Get-User-Printer-Attributes whitepaper (Smith) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-userop-20170801-rev.pdf -- IPP WG review on 07/20/17 -- Schedule - TBD (8) Review of IPP Presets whitepaper (Smith) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ipp-preset-20170728.pdf -- IPP WG review on 07/20/17 -- Schedule - TBD (9) Status of IPP HTTP Authentication whitepaper (Smith) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/ipp-authentication.pdf -- PWG review at Virtual F2F on 05/04/17 -- various email discussions -- Schedule - TBD (10) Status of "job-password" and "job-save-disposition" (Smith) - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019238.html -- discussed at IPP WG on 06/29/17 -- Schedule - awaiting further input from Smith (11) Status of IPP System Service (Ira/Mike) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20170719-rev.pdf -- Prototype draft - IPP WG review on 06/29/17 - stopped at section 6.2.7 -- Schedule - prototype in "ippserver" - Stable draft in Q4 2017 (12) Next steps - IPP WG sessions on Wed-Thu 9-10 August 2017 in PWG Virtual F2F -- status, whitepapers, IPP System Service, next steps - IPP WG call on Thu 17 August 2017 at 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern -- output from PWG F2F, review specs Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 --001a11c17f623f32420555c83de5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Our next IPP WG call will be Thu= rsday 3 August 2017 at
12:00-1:30pm US Pacific / 3:00pm-4:30pm US Easter= n

NOTE: Please USE t= he *new* WebEx and Audio Bridge below

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Meeting information-------------------------------------------------------
Topic: IPP= WG
Every 2 weeks on Thursday, from Thursday, May 11, 2017, to no= end date
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--------------------------------= -----------------------
WebEx online meeting (join first, before audio bridge)
----------= ---------------------------------------------
1. Go to https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.ph= p?MTID=3Dm0359478143ca01e059a570ada91f3573
2. If requested, ent= er your name and email address.
3. If a password is required, enter the = meeting password: Printing123
4. Click "Join".

--------= -----------------------------------------------
Audio Bridge= (join second w/ unique acc= ess code from WebEx)
---------------------------------------= ----------------
Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): +1 866 = 469-3239
Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 650 429-3300
= Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 408 856-9570

Global toll-free call in numbers and o= ther audio options ("Call Me Back" or VoIP) are listed once you j= oin the WebEx meeting.

Unique attendee access code:=C2=A0 Displayed = in the WebEx meeting

Agenda:
(1) PWG IP Policy, Minu= te Taker, Roll Call, and Agenda Review
- Mike as minute taker?

(2= ) Approve IPP minutes from previous meetings
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20170720.p= df
-- IPP WG call on 07/20/17

(4) Status of AMSC and ISO liaisons w/ PWG (Paul)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20170615.htm
- http://ftp.pwg.= org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20170706.htm
- = http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call= -minutes-20170720.htm
-- see PWG SC minutes from 06/15/17 and 07/06/= 17 and 07/20/17

(5) Status of PWG 3D Print Job Ticket (Mike)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd= -smpjt3d10-20170627.pdf
-- Stable draft - LCRC responses revie= wed at IPP WG on 06/29/17
-- Schedule - PWG Formal Vote started on 07/= 06/17 ends on 08/18/17

(6) Status of Mapping of CIP4 JDF to PWG= PJT (JDFMAP) (Ira, Rick)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/<= wbr>sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20170714.pdf
-- Stable draf= t - LCRC responses reviewed at IPP WG on 07/06/17
-- Schedule - PWG Fo= rmal Vote started on 07/14/17 ends on 08/28/17

(7) Status of Get-Use= r-Printer-Attributes whitepaper (Smith)
- http:/= /ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-userop-20170801-rev.pdf
= -- IPP WG review on 07/20/17
-- Schedule - TBD

(8) Review o= f IPP Presets whitepaper (Smith)
- http://ftp.pw= g.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ipp-preset-20170728.pdf
-- IPP = WG review on 07/20/17
-- Schedule - TBD


(11) Status of IPP System Servic= e (Ira/Mike)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/= wd/wd-ippsystem10-20170719-rev.pdf
-- Prototype draft - IPP WG = review on 06/29/17 - stopped at section 6.2.7
-- Schedule - prototype in= "ippserver" - Stable draft in Q4 2017

(12) Next steps
=
- IPP WG sessions on Wed-Thu 9-10 August 20= 17 in PWG Virtual F2F
-- status, whitepapers, IPP System Serv= ice, next steps

- IPP WG call on Thu 17 August 2017 at 3:00-4:3= 0pm US Eastern
-- output from PWG F2F, review specs
=
Cheers,
- Ira


<= div dir=3D"ltr">
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Arc= hitect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Fo= undation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working GroupCo-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated = Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
<= a style=3D"color:rgb(102,0,204)" href=3D"http://sites.google.com/site/highn= orthinc" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthincmailto: bluer= oofmusic@gmail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 = 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 4983= 9=C2=A0 906-494-2434

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Wed, 02 Aug 2017 10:05:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.43.101 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:04:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Ira McDonald Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 13:04:45 -0400 Message-ID: To: "ipp@pwg.org" , Ira McDonald Subject: Re: [IPP] IPP WG Agenda 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern (3 August 2017) X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0743669180419704680==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============0743669180419704680== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11400a8ef62edb0555c8431c" --001a11400a8ef62edb0555c8431c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, Item (8) *should* have been "Status of IPP Presets" - defer review to PWG F2F Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > Hi, > > Our next IPP WG call will be Thursday 3 August 2017 at > 12:00-1:30pm US Pacific / 3:00pm-4:30pm US Eastern > > NOTE: Please USE the *new* WebEx and Audio Bridge below > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Meeting information > ------------------------------------------------------- > Topic: IPP WG > Every 2 weeks on Thursday, from Thursday, May 11, 2017, to no end date > 3:00 pm | Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00) | 1 hr 30 mins > > ------------------------------------------------------- > WebEx online meeting (join first, before audio bridge) > ------------------------------------------------------- > 1. Go to https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?MTID=m0359478143 > ca01e059a570ada91f3573 > 2. If requested, enter your name and email address. > 3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: Printing123 > 4. Click "Join". > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Audio Bridge (join second w/ unique access code from WebEx) > ------------------------------------------------------- > Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): +1 866 469-3239 > <%28866%29%20469-3239> > Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 650 429-3300 <%28650%29%20429-3300> > Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 408 856-9570 <%28408%29%20856-9570> > > Global toll-free call in numbers and other audio options ("Call Me Back" > or VoIP) are listed once you join the WebEx meeting. > > Unique attendee access code: Displayed in the WebEx meeting > > Agenda: > (1) PWG IP Policy, Minute Taker, Roll Call, and Agenda Review > - Mike as minute taker? > > (2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meetings > - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall- > minutes-20170720.pdf > -- IPP WG call on 07/20/17 > > (3) Review of IPP WG slides for PWG Virtual F2F (Mike) > - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/slides/ipp-wg-agenda-august-2017d1.pdf > - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/slides/ipp-wg-agenda-august-2017d1.pptx > -- sole review topic for today's IPP call > > (4) Status of AMSC and ISO liaisons w/ PWG (Paul) > - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20170615.htm > - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20170706.htm > - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20170720.htm > -- see PWG SC minutes from 06/15/17 and 07/06/17 and 07/20/17 > > (5) Status of PWG 3D Print Job Ticket (Mike) > - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-smpjt3d10-20170627.pdf > -- Stable draft - LCRC responses reviewed at IPP WG on 06/29/17 > -- Schedule - PWG Formal Vote started on 07/06/17 ends on 08/18/17 > > (6) Status of Mapping of CIP4 JDF to PWG PJT (JDFMAP) (Ira, Rick) > - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20170714.pdf > -- Stable draft - LCRC responses reviewed at IPP WG on 07/06/17 > -- Schedule - PWG Formal Vote started on 07/14/17 ends on 08/28/17 > > (7) Status of Get-User-Printer-Attributes whitepaper (Smith) > - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-userop-20170801-rev.pdf > -- IPP WG review on 07/20/17 > -- Schedule - TBD > > (8) Review of IPP Presets whitepaper (Smith) > - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ipp-preset-20170728.pdf > -- IPP WG review on 07/20/17 > -- Schedule - TBD > > (9) Status of IPP HTTP Authentication whitepaper (Smith) > - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/ipp-authentication.pdf > -- PWG review at Virtual F2F on 05/04/17 > -- various email discussions > -- Schedule - TBD > > (10) Status of "job-password" and "job-save-disposition" (Smith) > - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019238.html > -- discussed at IPP WG on 06/29/17 > -- Schedule - awaiting further input from Smith > > (11) Status of IPP System Service (Ira/Mike) > - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20170719-rev.pdf > -- Prototype draft - IPP WG review on 06/29/17 - stopped at section 6.2.7 > -- Schedule - prototype in "ippserver" - Stable draft in Q4 2017 > > (12) Next steps > > - IPP WG sessions on Wed-Thu 9-10 August 2017 in PWG Virtual F2F > -- status, whitepapers, IPP System Service, next steps > > - IPP WG call on Thu 17 August 2017 at 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern > -- output from PWG F2F, review specs > > Cheers, > - Ira > > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 > <(734)%20944-0094> > May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 > <(906)%20494-2434> > > --001a11400a8ef62edb0555c8431c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Item (8) *should* have bee= n "Status of IPP Presets" - defer review to PWG F2F

= Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software = Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux= Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group=
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designat= ed Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusichttp://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
mailto: bl= ueroofmusic@gmail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2= =A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI = 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434


On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Ira McDonald= <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

Our next IPP WG ca= ll will be Thursday 3 August 2017 at
12:00-1:30pm US Pacific / 3:00pm-4:= 30pm US Eastern

NOTE= : Please USE the *new* WebEx and Audio Bridge below
<= br>-------------------------------------------------------
Meeting = information
-------------------------------------------------------=
Topic: IPP WG
Every 2 weeks on Thursday, from Thursday, May 1= 1, 2017, to no end date
3:00 pm=C2=A0=C2=A0|=C2=A0=C2=A0Eastern Standard= Time (New York, GMT-05:00)=C2=A0=C2=A0|=C2=A0=C2=A01 hr 30 mins

--= -----------------------------------------------------
WebEx online = meeting (join first, before= audio bridge)
---------------------------------------------= ----------
1. Go to https://ieee= -isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?MTID=3Dm0359478143ca01e059a570ada= 91f3573
2. If requested, enter your name and email address.
3. If= a password is required, enter the meeting password: Printing123
4. Clic= k "Join".

-------------------------------------------= ------------
Audio Bridge (join second w/ unique access code from WebEx)
---------= ----------------------------------------------
Call-in toll-= free number (US/Canada): +1 866 469-3239
Call-in toll number (US/= Canada): +1 650 429-3300
Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 4= 08 856-9570

Glob= al toll-free call in numbers and other audio options ("Call Me Back&qu= ot; or VoIP) are listed once you join the WebEx meeting.

Unique atte= ndee access code:=C2=A0 Displayed in the WebEx meeting

= Agenda:
(1) PWG IP Policy, Minute Taker, Roll Call, and Agenda Review- Mike as minute taker?

(2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meeti= ngs
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/m= inutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20170720.pdf
-- IPP WG call on 07/= 20/17

-- sole review to= pic for today's IPP call

(4) Status of AMSC and ISO l= iaisons w/ PWG (Paul)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub= /pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20170615.htm
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pw= g-sc-call-minutes-20170706.htm
- http= ://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20170720.ht= m
-- see PWG SC minutes from 06/15/17 and 07/06/17 and 07/20/17
<= br>(5) Status of PWG 3D Print Job Ticket (Mike)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-smpjt3d10-20170627.pd= f
-- Stable draft - LCRC responses reviewed at IPP WG on 06/29/17-- Schedule - PWG Formal Vote started on 07/06/17 ends on 08/18/17
<= br>
(6) Status of Mapping of CIP4 JDF to PWG PJT (JDFMAP) (Ira, Rick)- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20= 170714.pdf
-- Stable draft - LCRC responses reviewed at I= PP WG on 07/06/17
-- Schedule - PWG Formal Vote started on 07/14/17 en= ds on 08/28/17

(7) Status of Get-User-Printer-Attributes whitepaper = (Smith)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wh= itepaper/tb-userop-20170801-rev.pdf
-- IPP WG review on 07= /20/17
-- Schedule - TBD

(8) Review of IPP Presets whitepap= er (Smith)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp= /whitepaper/tb-ipp-preset-20170728.pdf
-- IPP WG review on= 07/20/17
-- Schedule - TBD

(9) Status of IPP H= TTP Authentication whitepaper (Smith)
- http://ftp.p= wg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/ipp-authentication.pdf
-- PWG review at Virtual F2F on 05/04/17
-- various email di= scussions
-- Schedule - TBD

(10) Status of "job-p= assword" and "job-save-disposition" (Smith)
- http://= www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019238.html
-- discussed at= IPP WG on 06/29/17
-- Schedule - awaiting further input from Smit= h

(11) Status of IPP System Service (Ira/Mike)=
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsys= tem10-20170719-rev.pdf
-- Prototype draft - IPP WG review on 06= /29/17 - stopped at section 6.2.7
-- Schedule - prototype in "ippse= rver" - Stable draft in Q4 2017

(12) Next steps

- IPP WG sessions on Wed-Thu 9-10 August 2017 in PWG Vi= rtual F2F
-- status, whitepapers, IPP System Service, next st= eps

- IPP WG call on Thu 17 August 2017 at 3:00-4:30pm US Easte= rn
-- output from PWG F2F, review specs

Cheers,<= br>
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Sof= tware Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair -= Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working= Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF De= signated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc=
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroof= music
http://sites.google.com/site/= highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place=C2= =A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221=C2= =A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434


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X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6617661973739308095==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============6617661973739308095== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045e22a6c8da740555df1f50" --f403045e22a6c8da740555df1f50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, I am trying to test printing a PCLm file to a Wifi-direct IPP enabled printer. PCLm is a subset of PDF and is supported by Wifi-direct printer. I typed this command for printing: *ipptool -tv ipp://HP6960... print-job.test* The *print-job.test *file has this contents: Here is the response I get when I run the job: "print-job.test": Print-Job: attributes-charset (charset) = utf-8 attributes-natural-language (naturalLanguage) = en printer-uri (uri) = ipp://HP30E171C3B82D.local:631/ipp/print requesting-user-name (nameWithoutLanguage) = sahil document-format (mimeMediaType) = application/PCLm copies (integer) = 1 * Print file using Print-Job [FAIL]* RECEIVED: 228 bytes in response *status-code = client-error-document-format-error (client-error-document-format-error)* attributes-charset (charset) = utf-8 attributes-natural-language (naturalLanguage) = en job-uri (uri) = ipp://HP30E171C3B82D.local/ipp/print/job-0006 job-id (integer) = 6 job-state (enum) = processing *job-state-reasons (keyword) = document-format-error* job-state-message (textWithoutLanguage) = *EXPECTED: STATUS successful-ok (got client-error-document-format-error) EXPECTED: STATUS successful-ok-ignored-or-substituted-attributes (got client-error-document-format-error) * It says that the job failed because there is a *client-document-format-error*. Are there some other ways I can get a more detailed error message as to why the job is failing, what exactly is the problem with the PCLm file? Since the file I am sending can be viewed in a standard PDF editor correctly. It would be great if someone could help here. I am currently working on converting raster images to PCLm files, and there can be many errors with PCLm files which the PDF viewer does not show but the printer will. Also, if someone has some PCLm files which can be printed without any errors (and having a strip height of 32 if possible) and can share with me, it would be very helpful. Thanks. -- Sahil Arora --f403045e22a6c8da740555df1f50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
I am trying to test = printing a PCLm file to a Wifi-direct IPP enabled printer. PCLm is a subset= of PDF and is supported by Wifi-direct printer. I typed this command for p= rinting:

ipptool -tv ipp://HP6960... print-job.test

The print-job.test file has this contents:

Here is= the response I get when I run the job:

"print-job.test":
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Print-Job:
= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 attributes-charset (charset) =3D= utf-8
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 attributes-natural-lan= guage (naturalLanguage) =3D en
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 printer-uri (uri) =3D ipp://HP30E171C3B82D.local:631/ipp/print
=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 requesting-user-name (nameWithoutLa= nguage) =3D sahil
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 document-fo= rmat (mimeMediaType) =3D application/PCLm
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 copies (integer) =3D 1
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Print file usi= ng Print-Job=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 [FAIL]
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 RECEIVED: 228 bytes in response
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 status-code =3D client-error-document-format-er= ror (client-error-document-format-error)
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 attributes-charset (charset) =3D utf-8
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 attributes-natural-language (naturalLanguage) = =3D en
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 job-uri (uri) =3D ipp:= //HP30E171C3B82D.local/ipp/print/job-0006
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 job-id (integer) =3D 6
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 job-state (enum) =3D processing
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 job-state-reasons (keyword) =3D document-format-error
= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 job-state-message (textWithoutLa= nguage) =3D
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EXPECTED: STA= TUS successful-ok (got client-error-document-format-error)
=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EXPECTED: STATUS successful-ok-ignored-or-su= bstituted-attributes (got client-error-document-format-error)=C2=A0=C2=A0 <= br>

It says that the job failed because there is a = client-document-format-error. Are there some other ways I can get a = more detailed error message as to why the job is failing, what exactly is t= he problem with the PCLm file? Since the file I am sending can be viewed in= a standard PDF editor correctly.

It would be great if someone coul= d help here. I am currently working on converting raster images to PCLm fil= es, and there can be many errors with PCLm files which the PDF viewer does = not show but the printer will. Also, if someone has some PCLm files which c= an be printed without any errors (and having a strip height of 32 if possib= le) and can share with me, it would be very helpful.

Than= ks.
--
Sahil Arora
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X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6821768696980373353==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============6821768696980373353== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114d74fa3890730555df274e" --001a114d74fa3890730555df274e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 at 01:51 Sahil Arora wrote: > Hi, > I am trying to test printing a PCLm file to a Wifi-direct IPP enabled > printer. PCLm is a subset of PDF and is supported by Wifi-direct printer. I > typed this command for printing: > > > > *ipptool -tv ipp://HP6960... print-job.test* > The *print-job.test *file has this contents: > https://gist.github.com/sahilarora535/4790c41601a184391c9352aec49a793f > Here is the response I get when I run the job: > > "print-job.test": > Print-Job: > attributes-charset (charset) = utf-8 > attributes-natural-language (naturalLanguage) = en > printer-uri (uri) = ipp://HP30E171C3B82D.local:631/ipp/print > requesting-user-name (nameWithoutLanguage) = sahil > document-format (mimeMediaType) = application/PCLm > copies (integer) = 1 > * Print file using Print-Job > [FAIL]* > RECEIVED: 228 bytes in response > *status-code = client-error-document-format-error > (client-error-document-format-error)* > attributes-charset (charset) = utf-8 > attributes-natural-language (naturalLanguage) = en > job-uri (uri) = ipp://HP30E171C3B82D.local/ipp/print/job-0006 > job-id (integer) = 6 > job-state (enum) = processing > *job-state-reasons (keyword) = document-format-error* > job-state-message (textWithoutLanguage) = > > > > > *EXPECTED: STATUS successful-ok (got > client-error-document-format-error) EXPECTED: STATUS > successful-ok-ignored-or-substituted-attributes (got > client-error-document-format-error) * > It says that the job failed because there is a > *client-document-format-error*. Are there some other ways I can get a > more detailed error message as to why the job is failing, what exactly is > the problem with the PCLm file? Since the file I am sending can be viewed > in a standard PDF editor correctly. > > It would be great if someone could help here. I am currently working on > converting raster images to PCLm files, and there can be many errors with > PCLm files which the PDF viewer does not show but the printer will. Also, > if someone has some PCLm files which can be printed without any errors (and > having a strip height of 32 if possible) and can share with me, it would be > very helpful. > > Thanks. > -- > Sahil Arora > --001a114d74fa3890730555df274e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Fri= , 4 Aug 2017 at 01:51 Sahil Arora <sahilarora.535@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I am t= rying to test printing a PCLm file to a Wifi-direct IPP enabled printer. PC= Lm is a subset of PDF and is supported by Wifi-direct printer. I typed this= command for printing:

ipptool -tv ipp://HP6960... print-job.test=

The print-job.test file has this contents:
=C2=A0
=
Here i= s the response I get when I run the job:

"print-job.test":
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 Print-Job:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 attributes-cha= rset (charset) =3D utf-8
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 attr= ibutes-natural-language (naturalLanguage) =3D en
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 printer-uri (uri) =3D ipp://HP30E171C3B82D.local:631/= ipp/print
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 requesting-user-nam= e (nameWithoutLanguage) =3D sahil
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 document-format (mimeMediaType) =3D application/PCLm
=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 copies (integer) =3D 1
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= Print file using Print-Job=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 [FAIL]
=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 RECEIVED: 228 bytes in response
= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 status-code =3D client-error-= document-format-error (client-error-document-format-error)
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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EXPECTED: STATUS successful-ok (got client-error-document-format-error)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EXPECTED: STATUS successful-ok-= ignored-or-substituted-attributes (got client-error-document-format-error)= =C2=A0=C2=A0


It says that the job failed becau= se there is a client-document-format-error. Are there some other way= s I can get a more detailed error message as to why the job is failing, wha= t exactly is the problem with the PCLm file? Since the file I am sending ca= n be viewed in a standard PDF editor correctly.

It would be great i= f someone could help here. I am currently working on converting raster imag= es to PCLm files, and there can be many errors with PCLm files which the PD= F viewer does not show but the printer will. Also, if someone has some PCLm= files which can be printed without any errors (and having a strip height o= f 32 if possible) and can share with me, it would be very helpful.

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Thanks.
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ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" All, I have posted the minutes for today's IPP workgroup conference call to: http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20170803.pdf Our next meetings are at the F2F next week on August 9 and 10, 2017 starting at 9am PT / 10am MT / 12pm ET. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Thu Aug 3 13:55:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0130C131BC3 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2017 13:55:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.544 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.544 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, 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X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4759618388529905117==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============4759618388529905117== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_oMjhJB2qTBN/TEfSC0VB1g)" --Boundary_(ID_oMjhJB2qTBN/TEfSC0VB1g) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sahil, This error indicates that the printer thinks there is a format error in the document. In this case either the PDF is using something not allowed for PCLm or the raster bands don't match the printer's PCLm parameters. > On Aug 3, 2017, at 4:21 PM, Sahil Arora wrote: > > Hi, > I am trying to test printing a PCLm file to a Wifi-direct IPP enabled printer. PCLm is a subset of PDF and is supported by Wifi-direct printer. I typed this command for printing: > > ipptool -tv ipp://HP6960... print-job.test > > The print-job.test file has this contents: > > Here is the response I get when I run the job: > > "print-job.test": > Print-Job: > attributes-charset (charset) = utf-8 > attributes-natural-language (naturalLanguage) = en > printer-uri (uri) = ipp://HP30E171C3B82D.local:631/ipp/print > requesting-user-name (nameWithoutLanguage) = sahil > document-format (mimeMediaType) = application/PCLm > copies (integer) = 1 > Print file using Print-Job [FAIL] > RECEIVED: 228 bytes in response > status-code = client-error-document-format-error (client-error-document-format-error) > attributes-charset (charset) = utf-8 > attributes-natural-language (naturalLanguage) = en > job-uri (uri) = ipp://HP30E171C3B82D.local/ipp/print/job-0006 > job-id (integer) = 6 > job-state (enum) = processing > job-state-reasons (keyword) = document-format-error > job-state-message (textWithoutLanguage) = > EXPECTED: STATUS successful-ok (got client-error-document-format-error) > EXPECTED: STATUS successful-ok-ignored-or-substituted-attributes (got client-error-document-format-error) > > > It says that the job failed because there is a client-document-format-error. Are there some other ways I can get a more detailed error message as to why the job is failing, what exactly is the problem with the PCLm file? Since the file I am sending can be viewed in a standard PDF editor correctly. > > It would be great if someone could help here. I am currently working on converting raster images to PCLm files, and there can be many errors with PCLm files which the PDF viewer does not show but the printer will. Also, if someone has some PCLm files which can be printed without any errors (and having a strip height of 32 if possible) and can share with me, it would be very helpful. > > Thanks. > -- > Sahil Arora > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer --Boundary_(ID_oMjhJB2qTBN/TEfSC0VB1g) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Sahil,

This= error indicates that the printer thinks there is a format error in the = document.  In this case either the PDF is using something not = allowed for PCLm or the raster bands don't match the printer's PCLm = parameters.


On = Aug 3, 2017, at 4:21 PM, Sahil Arora <sahilarora.535@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
I am trying to test = printing a PCLm file to a Wifi-direct IPP enabled printer. PCLm is a = subset of PDF and is supported by Wifi-direct printer. I typed this = command for printing:

ipptool = -tv ipp://HP6960... = print-job.test

The print-job.test file has this contents:

Here is the response I get when I run the job:

"print-job.test":
    = Print-Job:
        = attributes-charset (charset) =3D utf-8
        = attributes-natural-language (naturalLanguage) =3D en
        printer-uri (uri) = =3D ipp://HP30E171C3B82D.local:631/ipp/print
        = requesting-user-name (nameWithoutLanguage) =3D sahil
        document-format = (mimeMediaType) =3D application/PCLm
        copies (integer) =3D= 1
    Print file using = Print-Job           = ;            &= nbsp;           &nb= sp;       [FAIL]
        RECEIVED: 228 = bytes in response
       = status-code =3D client-error-document-format-error = (client-error-document-format-error)
        attributes-charset = (charset) =3D utf-8
        = attributes-natural-language (naturalLanguage) =3D en
        job-uri (uri) =3D = ipp://HP30E171C3B82D.local/ipp/print/job-0006
        job-id (integer) =3D= 6
        job-state = (enum) =3D processing
        job-state-reasons (keyword) =3D document-format-error
        job-state-message = (textWithoutLanguage) =3D
        EXPECTED: STATUS successful-ok (got = client-error-document-format-error)
        EXPECTED: STATUS = successful-ok-ignored-or-substituted-attributes (got = client-error-document-format-error)  


It says that the job failed = because there is a client-document-format-error. Are = there some other ways I can get a more detailed error message as to why = the job is failing, what exactly is the problem with the PCLm file? = Since the file I am sending can be viewed in a standard PDF editor = correctly.

It would be great if someone = could help here. I am currently working on converting raster images to = PCLm files, and there can be many errors with PCLm files which the PDF = viewer does not show but the printer will. Also, if someone has some = PCLm files which can be printed without any errors (and having a strip = height of 32 if possible) and can share with me, it would be very = helpful.

Thanks.
--
Sahil Arora
_______________________________________________
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ipp@pwg.org
https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing = System Engineer

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FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: hp.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: hp.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 07 Aug 2017 16:56:42.8078 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: ca7981a2-785a-463d-b82a-3db87dfc3ce6 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DF4PR84MB0281 Subject: [IPP] Minor update to IPP Presets draft whitepaper posted for review at vF2F X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8158676480133512908==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============8158676480133512908== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; 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DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:DF4PR84MB0283; H:DF4PR84MB0284.NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: hp.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: hp.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 09 Aug 2017 21:08:32.8005 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: ca7981a2-785a-463d-b82a-3db87dfc3ce6 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DF4PR84MB0283 Subject: Re: [IPP] 5100.11 : "job-password" and "job-save-disposition" X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2608915732979250548==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============2608915732979250548== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E80A28AE-1A81-40CD-90CB-71C08BE644E5"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_E80A28AE-1A81-40CD-90CB-71C08BE644E5 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_931B236E-7E0B-4C15-A88F-878EC06F15AB" --Apple-Mail=_931B236E-7E0B-4C15-A88F-878EC06F15AB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi there, As per my action item from the June 29, 2017 IPP WG minutes = (http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20170629.pdf= = ), I am finally providing a use case illustrating what I think IPP is = lacking but should support: Wilma has created a document that she wants to be saved on the = department MFD, but wants only those that have the document's password = to be able to print it. She chooses to add a password to the job and = also chooses to save the job in the print dialog, and clicks on "Print" = to submit the job to the printer. The Printer receives the Job, where = its processing consists of the Job being saved for reprint later. The = password persists with the saved Job. Wilma then sends out an email to = her teammates informing them that the document has been saved on the = MFD. Fred needs a copy of the document, so he goes to the MFD, chooses the = job, and is prompted for the saved job's password. Once Fred has entered = it successfully into the MFD's control panel, the MFD prints a copy of = the saved Job for him. Requirements: Provide a method for persisting a job password with a saved job. This is = currently unsupported because the semantics of the current = "job-password" attribute are such that the Job is kept in "pending-held" = state until the password has been provided to the Printer, but the = semantics of IPP saved jobs are such that the processing of a saved job = results in it being saved. If the processing is being delayed until the = password is provided, and then is abandoned (because it is an operation = attribute of a Job Creation operation), a gap exists. The existing = "document-password" attribute could be provided but its semantics are = inappropriate and it only applies to certain document formats. We can discuss at a later IPP WG meeting (not in this week's vF2F). Let = me know if the WG needs more details before proceeding. But this use = case is clearly not well supported by 5100.11 (JPS2). Smith /** Smith Kennedy Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC = Forum / USB IF Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group HP Inc. */ > On Jun 25, 2017, at 5:54 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: >=20 > Smith, >=20 >> On Jun 23, 2017, at 6:15 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) = wrote: >>=20 >> Hi there, >>=20 >> Consider a scenario where a Printer receives a Create-Job operation = with the following attributes: >>=20 >> job-password=3D"12345678" >> job-password-encryption=3D'none' >> job-save-disposition=3D >> { >> save-disposition=3D'save-only' >> save-info=3D >> { >> save-location=3D"whatever" >> save-document-format=3Dapplication/pdf >> } >> } >> =09 >> What would one expect the printer to do: >>=20 >> 1. Hold the Job in 'pending-held' state until the matching password = was provided, then retain the Job as a Saved Job >> 2. Process the Job to retain the Job as a Saved Job per the = definition in 5100.11 section 2.2, but then whenever it might be = reprinted via user selection on the control panel, the user is prompted = for the password >=20 > The result should be 1 or a new 3: >=20 > 3. Treat job-password and job-password-encryption as constrained = against job-save-disposition (i.e. the two are incompatible), and either = return client-error-conflicting-attributes or = successful-ok-ignored-or-substituted-attributes with one or the other in = the unsupported attributes group of the response. >=20 > The problem with #2 is that you are saving private information = (job-password[-encryption]) with the processed job data, which could be = a security issue (information disclosure). Plus the saved job is not = necessarily stored on the printer... >=20 >> If the expectation is #1 then there seems to be no way currently in = standard IPP to create a password protected Saved Job, which I believe = to be a valid use case that IPP needs to support. This could be = supported using my (pending) IPP Document Encryption whitepaper, but = wondered if it was already supported. >=20 > What you want is probably the semantic equivalent of document-password = in the job-save-disposition ("save-password"), not job-password, however = there are issues since we normally send passwords as operation = attributes that are not made available as part of the Job or Document = objects... >=20 > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer >=20 --Apple-Mail=_931B236E-7E0B-4C15-A88F-878EC06F15AB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi there,

As per my action item from the June 29, 2017 IPP WG minutes = (http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20= 170629.pdf), I am finally providing a use case illustrating = what I think IPP is lacking but should support:

Wilma has created a document = that she wants to be saved on the department MFD, but wants only those = that have the document's password to be able to print it. She chooses to = add a password to the job and also chooses to save the job in the print = dialog, and clicks on "Print" to submit the job to the printer. The = Printer receives the Job, where its processing consists of the Job being = saved for reprint later. The password persists with the saved Job. Wilma = then sends out an email to her teammates informing them that the = document has been saved on the MFD.

Fred needs a copy of the document, so = he goes to the MFD, chooses the job, and is prompted for the saved job's = password. Once Fred has entered it successfully into the MFD's control = panel, the MFD prints a copy of the saved Job for him.

Requirements:
Provide a = method for persisting a job password with a saved job. This is currently = unsupported because the semantics of the current "job-password" = attribute are such that the Job is kept in "pending-held" state until = the password has been provided to the Printer, but the semantics of IPP = saved jobs are such that the processing of a saved job results in it = being saved. If the processing is being delayed until the password is = provided, and then is abandoned (because it is an operation attribute of = a Job Creation operation), a gap exists. The existing = "document-password" attribute could be provided but its semantics are = inappropriate and it only applies to certain document formats.

We can = discuss at a later IPP WG meeting (not in this week's vF2F). Let me know = if the WG needs more details before proceeding. But this use case is = clearly not well supported by 5100.11 (JPS2).

Smith

/**
    Smith = Kennedy
    Wireless Architect - Client Software = - IPG-PPS
    Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / = Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum / USB IF
    Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group
    HP Inc.
*/



On Jun 25, 2017, at 5:54 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> = wrote:

Smith,

On Jun 23, 2017, at 6:15 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless = Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:

Hi there,

Consider a scenario = where a Printer receives a Create-Job operation with the following = attributes:

job-password=3D"12345678"
job-password-encryption=3D'none'
job-save-disposition=3D
{
= save-disposition=3D'save-only'
= save-info=3D
{
= save-location=3D"whatever"
= save-document-format=3Dapplication/pdf
}
}

What would one = expect the printer to do:

1. Hold the Job = in 'pending-held' state until the matching password was provided, then = retain the Job as a Saved Job
2. Process the Job to retain = the Job as a Saved Job per the definition in 5100.11 section 2.2, but = then whenever it might be reprinted via user selection on the control = panel, the user is prompted for the password

The result should be 1 or a new = 3:

3. Treat job-password and = job-password-encryption as constrained against job-save-disposition = (i.e. the two are incompatible), and either return = client-error-conflicting-attributes or = successful-ok-ignored-or-substituted-attributes with one or the other in = the unsupported attributes group of the response.

The problem with #2 is that you are saving private = information (job-password[-encryption]) with the processed job data, = which could be a security issue (information disclosure).  Plus the = saved job is not necessarily stored on the printer...

If the expectation is #1 = then there seems to be no way currently in standard IPP to create a = password protected Saved Job, which I believe to be a valid use case = that IPP needs to support. This could be supported using my (pending) = IPP Document Encryption whitepaper, but wondered if it was already = supported.

What you want is = probably the semantic equivalent of document-password in the = job-save-disposition ("save-password"), not job-password, however there = are issues since we normally send passwords as operation attributes that = are not made available as part of the Job or Document objects...

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer


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http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-f2f-minutes-20170809.pdf Our next conference call is on August 17, 2017 at 3pm ET. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Tue Aug 15 06:36:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D061325E0 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 06:36:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.587 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.587 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, 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McDonald Subject: [IPP] Fwd: [saag] Where-to I-Ds: HTTP Auth with SASL, EAP method for SASL X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8392520247545277570==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============8392520247545277570== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11c17f624ee1340556cade09" --001a11c17f624ee1340556cade09 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, New work on an HTTP Authentication method using SASL. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rick van Rein Date: Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 3:08 AM Subject: [saag] Where-to I-Ds: HTTP Auth with SASL, EAP method for SASL To: saag@ietf.org Hello SAAG, I have just posted two I-Ds and am looking where to send them, since the HTTP Auth WG and EAP WG have both been concluded. Could you advise me? https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vanrein-httpauth-sasl/ This one explains how SASL can be used as an HTTP Auth mechanism. This turns out to be beneficial for SASL as well as HTTP. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vanrein-eap-sasl/ This one allows the various front-ends that use SASL to relay the interaction to a backend over EAP, which in turn might be carried over Diameter or RADIUS. I was advised to ask for directions here, so if you have suggestions than I would love to hear them. FYI, EAP requires a specification and an expert review, so it could be an independent submission. I currently think that would be best. And, HTTP Auth through SASL registers an Authentication Scheme, for which IETF Review is the standard. Thank you, Rick van Rein InternetWide.org / ARPA2.net / OpenFortress.nl _______________________________________________ saag mailing list saag@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag --001a11c17f624ee1340556cade09 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

New work on an HTTP Authen= tication method using SASL.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDona= ld (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solut= ions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-IS= TO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Prot= ocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Musi= c / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/= site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.c= om/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Pl= ace=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221= =C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434


---------- Forwarded message ----------
F= rom: Rick van Rein <= rick@openfortress.nl>=
Date: Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 3:08 AM
Subject: [saag] Where-to I-Ds: HT= TP Auth with SASL, EAP method for SASL
To: saag@ietf.org


Hello SAAG,

I have just posted two I-Ds and am looking where to send them, since the HT= TP Auth WG and EAP WG have both been concluded.=C2=A0 Could you advise me?<= br>
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/d= raft-vanrein-httpauth-sasl/

=C2=A0 =C2=A0This one explains how SASL can be used as an HTTP Auth mechani= sm.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This turns out to be beneficial for SASL as well as HTTP.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-= vanrein-eap-sasl/


=C2=A0 =C2=A0This one allows the various front-ends that use SASL to relay = the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0interaction to a backend over EAP, which in turn might be carr= ied
=C2=A0 =C2=A0over Diameter or RADIUS.


I was advised to ask for directions here, so if you have suggestions
than I would love to hear them.

FYI, EAP requires a specification and an expert review, so it could
be an independent submission.=C2=A0 I currently think that would be best.
And, HTTP Auth through SASL registers an Authentication Scheme, for
which IETF Review is the standard.


Thank you,

Rick van Rein
InternetWide.org / ARPA2.net / OpenFortress.nl

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Go to https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?MTID=m0359478143 ca01e059a570ada91f3573 2. If requested, enter your name and email address. 3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: Printing123 4. Click "Join". ------------------------------------------------------- Audio Bridge (join second w/ unique access code from WebEx) ------------------------------------------------------- Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): +1 866 469-3239 <%28866%29%20469-3239> Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 650 429-3300 <%28650%29%20429-3300> Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 408 856-9570 <%28408%29%20856-9570> Global toll-free call in numbers and other audio options ("Call Me Back" or VoIP) are listed once you join the WebEx meeting. Unique attendee access code: Displayed in the WebEx meeting Agenda: (1) PWG IP Policy, Minute Taker, Roll Call, and Agenda Review - Mike unable to attend - minute taker volunteer? (2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meetings - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20170803.pdf - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-f2f-minutes-20170809.pdf -- IPP WG call on 08/03/17 -- IPP WG sessions on 08/09/17, 08/10/17 (3) Review of IPP WG sessions at PWG Virtual F2F - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/slides/ipp-wg-agenda-august-17.pdf -- sole review topic for today's IPP call (4) Status of AMSC and ISO liaisons w/ PWG (Paul) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20170615.htm - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20170706.htm - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20170720.htm - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20170803.htm -- see PWG SC minutes from 06/15/17, 07/06/17, 07/20/17, and 08/03/17 (5) Status of PWG 3D Print Job Ticket (Mike) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-smpjt3d10-20170627.pdf -- Stable draft - PWG Formal Vote started on 07/06/17 ends on 08/18/17 -- Schedule - PWG Candidate Standard in Q3 2017 (6) Status of Mapping of CIP4 JDF to PWG PJT (JDFMAP) (Ira, Rick) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20170714.pdf -- Stable draft - PWG Formal Vote started on 07/14/17 ends on 08/28/17 -- Schedule - PWG Best Practices (Informational) in Q3 2017 (7) Status of Get-User-Printer-Attributes whitepaper (Smith) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-userop-20170801-rev.pdf -- PWG F2F review on 08/10/17 -- Schedule - TBD (8) Status of IPP Presets whitepaper (Smith) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ipp-preset-20170807-rev.pdf -- PWG F2F review on 08/10/17 -- Schedule - TBD (9) Status of IPP HTTP Authentication whitepaper (Smith) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ippauth-20170803.pdf -- PWG F2F review on 08/10/17 -- Schedule - TBD (10) Status of "job-password" and "job-save-disposition" (Smith) - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019238.html -- discussed at IPP WG on 06/29/17 -- Schedule - awaiting further input from Smith (11) Status of IPP System Service (Ira/Mike) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20170719-rev.pdf -- Prototype draft - PWG F2F review on 08/09/17 - completed -- Schedule - prototype in "ippserver" - Stable draft in Q4 2017 (12) Next steps - IPP WG call on Thu 31 August 2017 at 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern -- regular topics - IPP WG call on Thu 14 September 2017 at 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern -- regular topics Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 --001a11c17f6297fcc00556e789ca Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Our next IPP WG call will be Thu= rsday 3 August 2017 at
12:00-1:30pm US Pacific / 3:00pm-4:30pm US Easter= n

NOTE: Please USE t= he *new* WebEx and Audio Bridge below

-----------= --------------------------------------------
Meeting information-------------------------------------------------------
Topic: IPP= WG
Every 2 weeks on Thursday, from Thursday, May 11, 2017, to no= end date
3:00 pm=C2=A0=C2=A0|=C2=A0=C2=A0Eastern Standard Time (New Yor= k, GMT-05:00)=C2=A0=C2=A0|=C2=A0=C2=A01 hr 30 mins

---------= ----------------------------------------------
WebEx online meeting= (join first, before audio = bridge)
----------------------------------------------------= ---
1. Go to https://ieee-isto.w= ebex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?MTID=3Dm0359478143ca01e059a570ada91f3573=
2. If requested, enter your name and email address.
3. If a pass= word is required, enter the meeting password: Printing123
4. Click "= ;Join".

--------------------------------------------------= -----
Audio Bridge (join second w/ unique access code from WebEx)
----------------= ---------------------------------------
Call-in toll-free nu= mber (US/Canada): +1 866 469-3239
Call-in toll number (US/Canada)= : +1 650 429-3300
Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 408 856-= 9570

Global toll= -free call in numbers and other audio options ("Call Me Back" or = VoIP) are listed once you join the WebEx meeting.

Unique attendee ac= cess code:=C2=A0 Displayed in the WebEx meeting

Agenda:=
(1) PWG IP Policy, Minute Taker, Roll Call, and Agenda Review
- Mike= unable to attend - minute taker volunteer?

(2) Approve IPP minutes = from previous meetings
- http://ftp.pwg.org= /pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20170803.pdf
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-f2f-minutes-201= 70809.pdf
-- IPP WG call on 08/03/17
-- IPP WG session= s on 08/09/17, 08/10/17

(3) Review of IPP WG s= essions at PWG Virtual F2F
- htt= p://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/slides/ipp-wg-agenda-august-17.pdf
-- sole review topic for today's IPP call

(4) S= tatus of AMSC and ISO liaisons w/ PWG (Paul)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-201706= 15.htm
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub= /pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20170706.htm
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-<= wbr>minutes-20170720.htm
- http://ftp.pwg.= org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20170803.htm
-- see PWG S= C minutes from 06/15/17, 07/06/17, 07/20/17, and 08/03/17

(5) Status= of PWG 3D Print Job Ticket (Mike)
- h= ttp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-smpjt3d10-20170627.pdf
-- = Stable draft - PWG Formal Vote started on 07/06/17 ends on 08/18/17
--= Schedule - PWG Candidate Standard in Q3 2017

(6) Status of Map= ping of CIP4 JDF to PWG PJT (JDFMAP) (Ira, Rick)
- http:= //ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/sm3/wd/wd-smjdfmap10-20170714.pdf
<= div>-- Stable draft -=C2=A0 PWG Formal Vote started on 07/14/17 ends on 08/= 28/17
-- Schedule - PWG Best Practices (Informational) in Q3 2017
<= br>(7) Status of Get-User-Printer-Attributes whitepaper (Smith)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-userop-= 20170801-rev.pdf
-- PWG F2F review on 08/10/17
-- Sch= edule - TBD

(8) Status of IPP Presets whitepaper (Smith)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ipp-pres= et-20170807-rev.pdf
-- PWG F2F review on 08/10/17
-- Sched= ule - TBD

(9) Status of IPP HTTP Authentication whit= epaper (Smith)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whi= tepaper/tb-ippauth-20170803.pdf
-- PWG F2F review on= 08/10/17
-- Schedule - TBD

(10) Status of "job-= password" and "job-save-disposition" (Smith)
- http:/= /www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019238.html
-- discussed a= t IPP WG on 06/29/17
-- Schedule - awaiting further input from Smi= th

(11) Status of IPP System Service (Ira/Mike= )
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsy= stem10-20170719-rev.pdf
-- Prototype draft - PWG F2F review on = 08/09/17 - completed
-- Schedule - prototype in "ippserver" - = Stable draft in Q4 2017

(12) Next steps

- IPP WG call on= Thu 31 August 2017 at 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern
-- regular topics

- IPP WG call on Thu 14 September 2017 at 3:00-4= :30pm US Eastern
-- regular topics

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Tr= usted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WGSecretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG In= ternet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer M= IB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http= ://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
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mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
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[IPP] Medical 3D, IEEE P3033.2 X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6341778309206013196==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============6341778309206013196== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_502518C5-DE12-492D-835C-97A0DFCAF87D_" --_502518C5-DE12-492D-835C-97A0DFCAF87D_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Paul, Going over my notes and the formal notes of IPP and Plenary meetings, there= seems to be some discontinuity with regard to what was referred to as P305= 3 and the DICOM standard. I recognize that this business I very confusing,= and I apologize if I have mixed up some of your information. 1. The August F2F IPP minutes refer to IEEE P3353, although I recall heari= ng P3033 as dealing with medical 3D aspects. I have found nothing on either= IEEE workgroup but have found IEEE SA PARs under P3033.2 dealing with:=20 Standard for Three-Dimensional (3D) Medical Visualization Standard for Three-Dimensional (3D) Medical Data Management Standard for Three-Dimensional (3D) Medical Simulation Standard for Bio-CAD File Format for Medical Three-Dimensional (3D) Printin= g Is it personnel associated with one of these activities that you have been= referring to as interested in IPP, and if so, which? 2. The minutes indicate =E2=80=9CASTM liaison needed to interface with DICO= M (Digital Imaging and Communications in Medicine) medical imaging/3D print= ing wrapper standards.=E2=80=9D However, I thought it was the one of the IE= EE P3033.2 groups that was interested in using DICAM (I assume the DICOM f= ile format). Further, DICOM is owned by NEMA, so, if we needed a liaison it= would need to be with NEMA? 3. At any rate, it appears that the DICOM organization itself has a 3D-Prin= t-Model-Storage work item (as, it appears, everyone does).=20 No rush on answering these questions. Thanks, Bill W. --_502518C5-DE12-492D-835C-97A0DFCAF87D_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"

Hi Paul,

 

Going over my notes and the formal notes of IPP and Plenary meeti= ngs, there seems to be some discontinuity with regard to what was referred = to as P3053 and the DICOM standard. I=C2=A0 recognize that this business I = very confusing, and I apologize if I have mixed up some of your information= .

 

  1. The August=C2=A0 F2F IPP minutes refer t= o IEEE P3353, although I recall hearing P3033 as dealing with medical 3D as= pects. I have found nothing on either IEEE workgroup but have found IEEE SA= PARs under P3033.2 dealing with:

Standard for Three-Dimensional (3D) Medical Visualization

Standard for Three-D= imensional (3D) Medical Data Management

Standard for Three-Dimensional (3D) Medical Si= mulation

St= andard for Bio-CAD File Format for Medical Three-Dimensional (3D) Printing<= o:p>

=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Is it personnel a= ssociated with one of these activities that you have been referring to as i= nterested in IPP, and if so, which?

 

  1. The minutes indicate =E2=80=9CASTM = liaison needed to interface with DICOM (Digital Imaging and Communications = in Medicine) medical imaging/3D printing wrapper standards.=E2=80=9D Howeve= r, I thought it was the one of the IEEE P3033.2 =C2=A0groups that was inter= ested in using DICAM (I assume the DICOM file format). Further, DICOM is ow= ned by NEMA, so, if we needed a liaison it would need to be with NEMA?=
  1. At any rate, it ap= pears that the DICOM organization itself has a 3D-Print-Model-Storage work = item (as, it appears, everyone does).

 

 

No rush on a= nswering these questions. Thanks,

Bill W.

 <= /o:p>

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boundary="===============6884143986659896548==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============6884143986659896548== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0116_01D317A5.38879A50" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0116_01D317A5.38879A50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bill, =20 The IEEE 3D Medical standards work I know about is coming from the P3333 = effort. =20 Modeling 3333.2.1 Visualization 3333.2.2 Data Management 3333.2.3 Simulation 3333.2.4 Printing 3333.2.5 & ISO = TC 261 =20 I haven=E2=80=99t been involved with the liaison efforts involving the = IEEE P3030 and P3333 groups as I believe that Smith is working with our = IEEE-ISTO PWG Program Administrator (Jane Celusak) to try and forge = initial contact with these groups. =20 DICOM is recognized by the P3333 effort, as playing an important role in = the Additive Manufacturing processing ecosystem within the medical = community, but so far I do not know of any efforts involving possible = cooperative work between DICOM, IEEE SA P3333, and the PWG. =20 The possibility for the PWG to cooperate with DICOM directly involves a = new project 2017-04-E assigned to DICOM WG-17 called = =E2=80=9C3D-Print-Model-Storage=E2=80=9D. I believe the effort is meant = to develop a mechanism for wrapping well known 3D file formats like STL = with DICOM defined medical information. When this work is completed, = DICOM may want to work with the PWG to develop semantics for 3D Job = Ticketing to be used with the DICOM specified wrapped 3D model files.=20 =20 The semantics would ultimately be collected by SME and presented to ASTM = F42/ISO TC 261 for inclusion in ISO/ASTM 52900:2015 =E2=80=9CAdditive = manufacturing -- General principles =E2=80=93 Terminology=E2=80=9D. This = is why this potential collaboration with DICOM would result in our = needing to have a liaison in place with ASTM. In the event there were = questions about PWG defined 3D semantic terms being included with the = terminology being submitted by SME to ASTM/ISO for inclusion in a = medical terminology section to be added to the existing standard, we = wouldn=E2=80=99t necessarily be able to respond without the liaison = agreement being in place. =20 Let me know if you need any further information on these items. =20 Thanks. =20 Best Regards, =20 /Paul -- Paul Tykodi Principal Consultant TCS - Tykodi Consulting Services LLC Tel/Fax: 603-343-1820 Mobile: 603-866-0712 E-mail: ptykodi@tykodi.com =20 WWW: http://www.tykodi.com =20 This e-mail reply and any attachments are confidential and may be = privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify Tykodi Consulting = Services LLC=20 immediately by replying to this message and destroying all copies of = this message=20 and any attachments. Thank you =20 From: wamwagner@comcast.net [mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:42 PM To: Paul Tykodi Cc: ipp Subject: Medical 3D, IEEE P3033.2 =20 Hi Paul, =20 Going over my notes and the formal notes of IPP and Plenary meetings, = there seems to be some discontinuity with regard to what was referred to = as P3053 and the DICOM standard. I recognize that this business I very = confusing, and I apologize if I have mixed up some of your information. =20 1. The August F2F IPP minutes refer to IEEE P3353, although I recall = hearing P3033 as dealing with medical 3D aspects. I have found nothing = on either IEEE workgroup but have found IEEE SA PARs under P3033.2 = dealing with:=20 Standard for Three-Dimensional (3D) Medical Visualization Standard for Three-Dimensional (3D) Medical Data Management Standard for Three-Dimensional (3D) Medical Simulation Standard for Bio-CAD File Format for Medical Three-Dimensional (3D) = Printing Is it personnel associated with one of these activities that = you have been referring to as interested in IPP, and if so, which? =20 2. The minutes indicate =E2=80=9CASTM liaison needed to interface with = DICOM (Digital Imaging and Communications in Medicine) medical = imaging/3D printing wrapper standards.=E2=80=9D However, I thought it = was the one of the IEEE P3033.2 groups that was interested in using = DICAM (I assume the DICOM file format). Further, DICOM is owned by NEMA, = so, if we needed a liaison it would need to be with NEMA? 3. At any rate, it appears that the DICOM organization itself has a = 3D-Print-Model-Storage work item (as, it appears, everyone does).=20 =20 =20 No rush on answering these questions. Thanks, Bill W. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0116_01D317A5.38879A50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Bill,

 

The IEEE 3D Medical standards work I know = about is coming from the P3333 effort.

 

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = Modeling=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 3333.2.1

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = Visualization=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 3333.2.2

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Data = Management=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = 3333.2.3

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = Simulation=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 3333.2.4

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = Printing=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 3333.2.5 & ISO TC = 261

 

I haven=E2=80=99t been involved with the = liaison efforts involving the IEEE P3030 and P3333 groups as I believe = that Smith is working with our IEEE-ISTO PWG Program Administrator (Jane = Celusak) to try and forge initial contact with these = groups.

 

DICOM is recognized by the P3333 effort, as = playing an important role in the Additive Manufacturing processing = ecosystem within the medical community, but so far I do not know of any = efforts involving possible cooperative work between DICOM, IEEE SA = P3333, and the PWG.

 

The possibility for the PWG to cooperate with = DICOM directly involves a new project 2017-04-E assigned to DICOM WG-17 = called =E2=80=9C3D-Print-Model-Storage=E2=80=9D. I believe the effort is = meant to develop a mechanism for wrapping well known 3D file formats = like STL with DICOM defined medical information. When this work is = completed, DICOM may want to work with the PWG to develop semantics for = 3D Job Ticketing to be used with the DICOM specified wrapped 3D model = files.

 

The semantics would ultimately be collected by = SME and presented to ASTM F42/ISO TC 261 for inclusion in ISO/ASTM = 52900:2015 =E2=80=9CAdditive manufacturing -- General principles = =E2=80=93 Terminology=E2=80=9D. This is why this potential collaboration = with DICOM would result in our needing to have a liaison in place with = ASTM. In the event there were questions about PWG defined 3D semantic = terms being included with the terminology being submitted by SME to = ASTM/ISO for inclusion in a medical terminology section to be added to = the existing standard, we wouldn=E2=80=99t necessarily be able to = respond without the liaison agreement being in = place.

 

Let me know if you need any further = information on these items.

 

Thanks.

 

Best Regards,

 

/Paul

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From: wamwagner@comcast.net = [mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 17, = 2017 2:42 PM
To: Paul Tykodi = <ptykodi@tykodi.com>
Cc: ipp = <ipp@pwg.org>
Subject: Medical 3D, IEEE = P3033.2

 

Hi = Paul,

 

Going = over my notes and the formal notes of IPP and Plenary meetings, there = seems to be some discontinuity with regard to what was referred to as = P3053 and the DICOM standard. I  recognize that this business I = very confusing, and I apologize if I have mixed up some of your = information.

 

  1. The August  F2F = IPP minutes refer to IEEE P3353, although I recall hearing P3033 as = dealing with medical 3D aspects. I have found nothing on either IEEE = workgroup but have found IEEE SA PARs under P3033.2 dealing with: =

Standard for = Three-Dimensional (3D) Medical Visualization

Standard for = Three-Dimensional (3D) Medical Data Management

Standard for = Three-Dimensional (3D) Medical Simulation

Standard for Bio-CAD File = Format for Medical Three-Dimensional (3D) = Printing

          = ;  Is it personnel associated with one of these activities that you = have been referring to as interested in IPP, and if so, = which?

 

  1. The minutes indicate = =E2=80=9CASTM liaison needed to interface with DICOM (Digital Imaging = and Communications in Medicine) medical imaging/3D printing wrapper = standards.=E2=80=9D However, I thought it was the one of the IEEE = P3033.2  groups that was interested in using DICAM (I assume the = DICOM file format). Further, DICOM is owned by NEMA, so, if we needed a = liaison it would need to be with = NEMA?
  1. At any rate, it appears = that the DICOM organization itself has a 3D-Print-Model-Storage work = item (as, it appears, everyone does).

 

 

No rush on answering these questions. = Thanks,

Bill = W.

 

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Many thanks Paul. That does make it = a bit clearer.

Bill W.

 

From: Paul Tykodi
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:07 P= M
To: wamwagner@comcast.= net
Cc: 'ipp'
Subjec= t: RE: Medical 3D, IEEE P3033.2

&nbs= p;

Hi Bill,

&= nbsp;

Th= e IEEE 3D Medical standards work I know about is coming from the P3333 effo= rt.

 

           &nbs= p;    Modeling       &nbs= p;             =         3333.2.1

    &n= bsp;           Visualizat= ion             = ;          3333.2.2=

  &= nbsp;           &nbs= p; Data Management          33= 33.2.3

            = ;    Simulation       &nb= sp;            =        3333.2.4

     &n= bsp;          Printing &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;     3333.2.5 & ISO TC 261

 

I haven=E2=80=99t b= een involved with the liaison efforts involving the IEEE P3030 and P3333 gr= oups as I believe that Smith is working with our IEEE-ISTO PWG Program Admi= nistrator (Jane Celusak) to try and forge initial contact with these groups= .

<= o:p> 

DICOM is recognized by the P3333 effort, as playing an important role in= the Additive Manufacturing processing ecosystem within the medical communi= ty, but so far I do not know of any efforts involving possible cooperative = work between DICOM, IEEE SA P3333, and the PWG.

 

The possibility for the PW= G to cooperate with DICOM directly involves a new project 2017-04-E assigne= d to DICOM WG-17 called =E2=80=9C3D-Print-Model-Storage=E2=80=9D. I believe= the effort is meant to develop a mechanism for wrapping well known 3D file= formats like STL with DICOM defined medical information. When this work is= completed, DICOM may want to work with the PWG to develop semantics for 3D= Job Ticketing to be used with the DICOM specified wrapped 3D model files. =

 

The semantics would ultimately be collected by SME and presented to ASTM = F42/ISO TC 261 for inclusion in ISO/ASTM 52900:2015 =E2=80=9CAdditive manuf= acturing -- General principles =E2=80=93 Terminology=E2=80=9D. This is why = this potential collaboration with DICOM would result in our needing to have= a liaison in place with ASTM. In the event there were questions about PWG = defined 3D semantic terms being included with the terminology being submitt= ed by SME to ASTM/ISO for inclusion in a medical terminology section to be = added to the existing standard, we wouldn=E2=80=99t necessarily be able to = respond without the liaison agreement being in place.

=

 =

Let me know if you n= eed any further information on these items.

 

Thanks.

 

Best Regards,<= /o:p>

&nb= sp;

/Pau= l

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From: wamwagner@comcast.net [mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:42 PM
To: Paul Tykodi = <ptykodi@tykodi.com>
Cc: ipp <ipp@pwg.org>
Subj= ect: Medical 3D, IEEE P3033.2

 

Hi Paul,

 

Going over my notes and the formal notes of IPP and Plen= ary meetings, there seems to be some discontinuity with regard to what was = referred to as P3053 and the DICOM standard. I  recognize that this bu= siness I very confusing, and I apologize if I have mixed up some of your in= formation.

 

  1. The August  F2F IPP minutes refer= to IEEE P3353, although I recall hearing P3033 as dealing with medical 3D = aspects. I have found nothing on either IEEE workgroup but have found IEEE = SA PARs under P3033.2 dealing with:

Standard for Three= -Dimensional (3D) Medical Data Management

Standard for Three-Dimensional (3D) Medical = Simulation

= Standard for Bio-CAD File Format for Medical Three-Dimensional (3D) Printin= g

 &nb= sp;          Is it personnel a= ssociated with one of these activities that you have been referring to as i= nterested in IPP, and if so, which?

 

  1. The minutes indicate =E2=80=9CASTM liaison= needed to interface with DICOM (Digital Imaging and Communications in Medi= cine) medical imaging/3D printing wrapper standards.=E2=80=9D However, I th= ought it was the one of the IEEE P3033.2  groups that was interested i= n using DICAM (I assume the DICOM file format). Further, DICOM is owned by = NEMA, so, if we needed a liaison it would need to be with NEMA?<= /li>
  1. At any rate, it appears that the= DICOM organization itself has a 3D-Print-Model-Storage work item (as, it a= ppears, everyone does).

 <= /span>

 

No rush on answering these = questions. Thanks,

Bill W.

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Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: James McCabe Date: Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:41 AM Subject: Slides and Recording from Aug 17 AMSC Webinar To: James McCabe Dear Participants, Please find attached a copy of the slides from yesterday=E2=80=99s AMSC web= inar. A link to the recording of the webinar can be found here: https://goansi.webex.com/goansi/onstage/playback.php?RCID=3D 720fd2f7785000959fe84c83631d4238 Please don=E2=80=99t forget to register for the 9/7 meeting at: https://eseries.ansi.org/source/Events/Event.cfm?EVENT=3DAMSC_0917 Best regards, Jim McCabe Senior Director, Standards Facilitation American National Standards Institute (ANSI) 25 West 43rd Street, 4th Floor New York, NY 10036 U.S.A. Office: 1-212-642-8921 <%28212%29%20642-8921>; Fax: 1-212-840-2298 <%28212%29%20840-2298> jmccabe@ansi.org; www.linkedin.com/pub/jim-mccabe/12/a78/742/ [image: WSW image] --001a1141045a8ba4a1055719b60a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Uploaded th= e slides attachment from Jim McCabe's message below to
the PWG= FTP server at:

https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/liaison/ansi/AM= SC_Webinar_081717.pptx

See link to recording in Jim's = message.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
C= o-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Ope= n Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - = IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP= & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gma= il.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 = 734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-= 494-2434


---------- Forwarded message ----------
F= rom: James McCabe <<= a href=3D"mailto:jmccabe@ansi.org">jmccabe@ansi.org>
Date:= Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:41 AM
Subject: Slides and Recording from Aug 17= AMSC Webinar
To: James McCabe <j= mccabe@ansi.org>


Dear Participants,

Please find attached a copy of the slides from yeste= rday=E2=80=99s AMSC webinar.=C2=A0 A link to the recording of the webinar c= an be found here:

https://goansi.webex.com/goansi/onstage/playback.php?= RCID=3D720fd2f7785000959fe84c83631d4238<= /p>

=C2=A0

Please don=E2=80=99t forget to register for the 9/7 = meeting at: https://eseries.ansi.org/source/Events/Event.cfm?EVENT=3DAMSC_091= 7

=C2=A0

Best regards,

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Jim McCabe=

Senior Director, Standar= ds Facilitation

American National Standa= rds Institute (ANSI)

25 West 43rd Street, 4th= Floor

New York, NY 10036 U.S.A= .

Office: 1-212-642-892= 1; Fax: 1-212-840-2298

jmccabe@ansi.org; www.l= inkedin.com/pub/jim-mccabe/12/a78/742/

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ca7981a2-785a-463d-b82a-3db87dfc3ce6 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DF4PR84MB0219 Subject: [IPP] New draft of IPP Presets posted; discussion needed on storing presets in Printer X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7667658193414834798==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============7667658193414834798== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_EB02DDFA-3667-462A-939A-83632D712DB6"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_EB02DDFA-3667-462A-939A-83632D712DB6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Greetings, I have just posted a new draft of IPP Presets: = https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ipp-preset-20170822.pdf = https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ipp-preset-20170822.odt = https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ipp-preset-20170822-rev.pdf = https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ipp-preset-20170822-rev.odt Changes include: =E2=80=A2 Extensively updated structure of section 4 =E2=80=9CIPP = Presets Definitions=E2=80=9D =E2=97=A6 Added section 4.2 to discuss storing presets using = Set-Printer-Attributes =E2=97=A6 Added section 4.3 (placeholder) to discuss storing presets = as resources =E2=80=A2 Added =E2=80=9CClient Implementation Recommendations=E2=80=9D = section =E2=80=A2 Added =E2=80=9CConformance Requirements=E2=80=9D section =E2=80=A2 Added =E2=80=9CIANA and PWG Considerations=E2=80=9D section As you can see, there remains an open issue of how to best support a = Client's ability to store presets in a Printer. Ira articulated in our = last IPP WG meeting that there were precedent and protocol congruency = issues with using Set-Printer-Attributes for doing this. If advocates = for these competing methods could describe their particular = perspectives, that would help to resolve this aspect of the Presets = ecosystem. 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Do we need a 'fold-letter-outward'? 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Do we need a 'fold-letter-outward'? X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5504303962964078498==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============5504303962964078498== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5A3F1F7A-FA7C-450B-98A8-A6EA7C3266B9"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_5A3F1F7A-FA7C-450B-98A8-A6EA7C3266B9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi there, A question arose about the 'fold-letter' finishing type. For the purpose = of this discussion, let us assume that 'fold-letter' is defined to use = an "inward" fold for both of the folds, and so the Printer includes this = in its "finishings-col-ready": finishings-col-ready=3D { finishing-template=3Dfold-letter media-sheets-supported=3D1-3 media-size-name=3Dna_letter_8.5x11in folding=3D { folding-direction=3Dinward folding-offset=3D8940 folding-reference-edge=3Dtop } folding=3D { folding-direction=3Dinward folding-offset=3D8940 folding-reference-edge=3Dtop } } If the Printer supported both an "inward" and "outward" implementation = of 'fold-letter', how would it appropriately represent this latter = variant? Would the right thing to do be to add this as well? { finishing-template=3Dfold-letter-outward media-sheets-supported=3D1-3 media-size-name=3Dna_letter_8.5x11in folding=3D { folding-direction=3Doutward folding-offset=3D8940 folding-reference-edge=3Dtop } folding=3D { folding-direction=3Doutward folding-offset=3D8940 folding-reference-edge=3Dtop } } It seems like it should it have a discrete name. If the right thing to = do is to register in our IANA registry 'fold-letter-outward' etc. let me = know and I'll submit that. 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25 Aug 2017 12:20:03 -0400 Message-id: <6400C563-EBE1-42A9-8712-C84AB55FE9A4@apple.com> References: To: Smith Kennedy X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrNLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi2FAYrmvqtyDSoGOBqsWxfS9ZLF517WJ2 YPLYtW0nk8e8xdOZApiiuGxSUnMyy1KL9O0SuDK6//9nLjjEXzF/4mu2BsYGni5GTg4JAROJ z69eMnUxcnEICaxhkvj5/BszTOLAyXWMEIlDjBL/Vh1nBEnwCghK/Jh8j6WLkYODWUBe4uB5 WZAws4CWxPdHrSwQ9V8ZJXrnHWcDSQgLSEgc71/ICmGXS7zecxIsziagJvF7Uh9YnFPASqL1 3gewOIuAqsTRnlNMEEPVJF5dnwa2i1fARqLvDtgJQgKWEq1zL4KViAhoSHyY0swGcbOsxK3Z l5hBbpAQaGST6HixhH0Co/AsJGfPQjh7FpKzFzAyr2IUzk3MzNHNzDMy0kssKMhJ1UvOz93E CArt1UxiOxjvvTY8xCjAwajEw+sguCBSiDWxrLgy9xCjNAeLkjivbOL8SCGB9MSS1OzU1ILU ovii0pzU4kOMTBycUg2MeT/aGG5Ne39qpc10/Zxbga/zr648+W/V1NWrPnss3KGYcLK57PPr xlkJaz/8et6/uHuW1frfZcxT9gX9zDh35tqqTG/LOb8sizoLTm8otGC63cNwP8n/O5elz6f9 XRctdD/3vy8RORmbsLRTInUnuwSXz4IIkdbz7mvXZtuejjX5l9Bx1MD6lxJLcUaioRZzUXEi AFoeKxBOAgAA X-Brightmail-Tracker: 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Do we need a 'fold-letter-outward'? X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" Smith, > On Aug 24, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) wrote: > > Hi there, > > A question arose about the 'fold-letter' finishing type. For the purpose of this discussion, let us assume that 'fold-letter' is defined to use an "inward" fold for both of the folds, and so the Printer includes this in its "finishings-col-ready": > > finishings-col-ready= > { > finishing-template=fold-letter > media-sheets-supported=1-3 > media-size-name=na_letter_8.5x11in > folding= > { > folding-direction=inward > folding-offset=8940 > folding-reference-edge=top > } > folding= > { > folding-direction=inward > folding-offset=8940 > folding-reference-edge=top > } > } > > If the Printer supported both an "inward" and "outward" implementation of 'fold-letter', how would it appropriately represent this latter variant? Would the right thing to do be to add this as well? > > { > finishing-template=fold-letter-outward > media-sheets-supported=1-3 > media-size-name=na_letter_8.5x11in > folding= > { > folding-direction=outward > folding-offset=8940 > folding-reference-edge=top > } > folding= > { > folding-direction=outward > folding-offset=8940 > folding-reference-edge=top > } > } > > It seems like it should it have a discrete name. If the right thing to do is to register in our IANA registry 'fold-letter-outward' etc. let me know and I'll submit that. Right now we don't differentiate between them for the standard finishing-template/finishings values. What I would do is use one fold direction consistently as the "default" for 'fold-letter' and then have a vendor template name ('smiNNN-fold-letter-in/outward') for the opposite direction. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Fri Aug 25 09:35:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B4213239A for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 09:35:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.789 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.789 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Our next conference call is on August 31, 2017 at 3pm ET. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Fri Aug 25 11:28:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FEE132962 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 11:28:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.789 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.789 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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13:28:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.23.135 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 13:27:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Ira McDonald Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 16:27:44 -0400 Message-ID: To: Michael Sweet , Ira McDonald Cc: PWG IPP WG Reflector Subject: Re: [IPP] New draft of IPP Presets posted; discussion needed on storing presets in Printer X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5063015335691439485==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============5063015335691439485== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1149d4ae4640a5055799c8a9" --001a1149d4ae4640a5055799c8a9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike, Fine - as long as End Users don't get to use Set-Printer-Attributes. We really need to keep "template-job" Resources. Xerox has implemented them for 20 years in DPA-based production systems. Others have done so. The idea is that there's a NEW End User operation on a Printer called Get-User-Resources that mirrors Get-Resources from System Service. Having End Users push presets to Printers for use by other End Users assumes the whole fine-grained access control policies of original IDS work. Too much new ground for too little benefit. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > Thanks Smith! > > Some comments on the discussions about how to store presets and triggers: > > 1. Printer/server-side Presets should necessarily be managed by an > operator or administrator and are NOT per-user - that's what Client-side > presets are for. So I do not agree with Ira about the operation for this= - > I think Set-Printer-Attributes is absolutely the right way to do this, ju= st > as we do for ICC profiles, metadata (location, organization, etc.), etc. > > 2. A Job (or Document) Template resource (as envisioned by PWG 5108.03: > MFD Resource Service) resembles a Preset, but is not Client-friendly sinc= e > there is no way for the Client to discover or retrieve the contents of th= e > resource from the Printer (just the System). Changing the "job-presets" > attribute to be a "preset-name", "resource-id", and "resource-data-uri" > (for the client to access the template) would allow the Client to discove= r > and retrieve the contents but seems like a step in the wrong direction > since it is more complicated, resource intensive, slower, etc. > > Personally I would like to see us focus on using resources for things tha= t > cannot be expressed/encoded directly in IPP: forms, fonts, ICC profiles, > logos/images, etc. With that in mind, I'm thinking that we should drop t= he > 'template-xxx' values for "resource-type" (no templates for documents, > jobs, or printers) and just add a "resource-ids (1setOf integer(1:MAX))" > member attribute to "job-presets" to instruct a Client to include the > numbered resources in the Create-Job or Print-Job/URI operations for othe= r > types of resources. > > > > On Aug 22, 2017, at 5:22 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) < > smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote: > > > > Greetings, > > > > I have just posted a new draft of IPP Presets: > > > > https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ipp-preset-20170822.pd= f > > https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ipp-preset-20170822.od= t > > https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ipp-preset- > 20170822-rev.pdf > > https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ipp-preset- > 20170822-rev.odt > > > > Changes include: > > > > =E2=80=A2 Extensively updated structure of section 4 =E2=80=9CIPP Prese= ts Definitions=E2=80=9D > > =E2=97=A6 Added section 4.2 to discuss storing presets using > Set-Printer-Attributes > > =E2=97=A6 Added section 4.3 (placeholder) to discuss storing presets a= s > resources > > =E2=80=A2 Added =E2=80=9CClient Implementation Recommendations=E2=80=9D= section > > =E2=80=A2 Added =E2=80=9CConformance Requirements=E2=80=9D section > > =E2=80=A2 Added =E2=80=9CIANA and PWG Considerations=E2=80=9D section > > > > As you can see, there remains an open issue of how to best support a > Client's ability to store presets in a Printer. Ira articulated in our la= st > IPP WG meeting that there were precedent and protocol congruency issues > with using Set-Printer-Attributes for doing this. If advocates for these > competing methods could describe their particular perspectives, that woul= d > help to resolve this aspect of the Presets ecosystem. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Smith > > > > /** > > Smith Kennedy > > Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS > > Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC > Forum / USB IF > > Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group > > HP Inc. > > */ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ipp mailing list > > ipp@pwg.org > > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > --001a1149d4ae4640a5055799c8a9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mike,=

Fine - as long as End Users don't get to use Set-Printer-= Attributes.

We really need to keep "template-job" Re= sources.=C2=A0 Xerox has implemented
them for 20 years in DPA-base= d production systems.=C2=A0 Others have done so.

The idea is t= hat there's a NEW End User operation on a Printer called
Get-U= ser-Resources that mirrors Get-Resources from System Service.

= Having End Users push presets to Printers for use by other End Users
assumes the whole fine-grained access control policies of original IDS
work.=C2=A0 Too much new ground for too little benefit.

Cheers,
- Ira

=
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Ar= chitect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux F= oundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working GroupCo-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated= Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
= http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthincmailto: blue= roofmusic@gmail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0= 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 498= 39=C2=A0 906-494-2434


On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Michael Swe= et <msweet@apple.com> wrote:


> On Aug 22, 2017, at 5:22 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) <<= a href=3D"mailto:smith.kennedy@hp.com">smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:<= br> >
> Greetings,
>
> I have just posted a new draft of IPP Presets:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://ftp.p= wg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ipp-preset-20170822.pdf
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://ftp.p= wg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ipp-preset-20170822.odt
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://f= tp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ipp-preset-20170822-rev.pdf<= /a>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://f= tp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ipp-preset-20170822-rev.odt<= /a>
>
> Changes include:
>
> =E2=80=A2 Extensively updated structure of section 4 =E2=80=9CIPP Pres= ets Definitions=E2=80=9D
>=C2=A0 =E2=97=A6 Added section 4.2 to discuss storing presets using Set= -Printer-Attributes
>=C2=A0 =E2=97=A6 Added section 4.3 (placeholder) to discuss storing pre= sets as resources
> =E2=80=A2 Added =E2=80=9CClient Implementation Recommendations=E2=80= =9D section
> =E2=80=A2 Added =E2=80=9CConformance Requirements=E2=80=9D section
> =E2=80=A2 Added =E2=80=9CIANA and PWG Considerations=E2=80=9D section<= br> >
> As you can see, there remains an open issue of how to best support a C= lient's ability to store presets in a Printer. Ira articulated in our l= ast IPP WG meeting that there were precedent and protocol congruency issues= with using Set-Printer-Attributes for doing this. If advocates for these c= ompeting methods could describe their particular perspectives, that would h= elp to resolve this aspect of the Presets ecosystem.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Smith
>
> /**
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Smith Kennedy
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Allianc= e / NFC Forum / USB IF
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 HP Inc.
> */
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ipp mailing list
> ipp@pwg.org
> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp

_________________________________________________________
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Fri, 25 Aug 2017 14:20:58 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11973e12-a9e399c0000074fd-6e-59a094ba14c7 Received: from nwk-mmpp-sz09.apple.com (nwk-mmpp-sz09.apple.com [17.128.115.80]) by relay2.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 3A.05.09069.AB490A95; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 14:20:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [17.235.17.115] by nwk-mmpp-sz09.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.1.2.20170621 64bit (built Jun 21 2017)) with ESMTPSA id <0OV9001U2FAWK400@nwk-mmpp-sz09.apple.com>; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 14:20:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Sweet In-reply-to: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 17:20:56 -0400 Message-id: <595ACEAD-FC87-4EB3-A89E-416DCA68E526@apple.com> References: To: Ira McDonald X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFjrKLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi2FDorLtryoJIg+X7JS1ev1rKbnFs30sW i1ddu5gdmD12zrrL7rFr204mj3mLpzMFMEdx2aSk5mSWpRbp2yVwZRz4soy5YJpUxaLDGxgb GJeLdjFyckgImEhcn/yYtYuRi0NIYDWTxM/zM1lhEocXf2GESBxklHj9/AwTSIJXQFDix+R7 LF2MHBzMAvISB8/LgoSZBbQkvj9qZYGo/8oo0bFuJRtIQlhAQuJ4/0JWCDtVYu3G38wgNpuA msTvSX1gcU6BYImX+26B2SwCqhJT9uxjhhjqI9FzbgXUXhuJTUc3MkEs2MwoMe3WZkaQI0SA Ni95rghxtKzErdmXmEFqJAQmsEms+PKEZQKj8Cwkd89CuHsWkrsXMDKvYhTKTczM0c3MM9FL LCjISdVLzs/dxAgK9+l2QjsYT62yOsQowMGoxMO7oXhBpBBrYllxZe4hRmkOFiVxXsbE+ZFC AumJJanZqakFqUXxRaU5qcWHGJk4OKUaGF36TtXuOHM3qv2Km6At9yqf2bsbmM9bvhXsm8uo u+3blNntDCseGp6JZQwInpKl7X7gbuSXlkNGhWz/00RSf8083jB9Rk9IJvOV1+2f71neeq0v 8ffSmQiRNXmu9Z0fCrvClS4m8q+cf8r3/oLeS6t81W7vYJh/sLZfKrpBYWvckuid0f6SqUos xRmJhlrMRcWJAAe9VLBYAgAA X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrBLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi2FAcoLtryoJIgzmvhS1ev1rKbnFs30sW i1ddu5gdmD12zrrL7rFr204mj3mLpzMFMEdx2aSk5mSWpRbp2yVwZRz4soy5YJpUxaLDGxgb GJeLdjFyckgImEgcXvyFsYuRi0NI4CCjxOvnZ5hAErwCghI/Jt9j6WLk4GAWkJc4eF4WJMws oCXx/VErC0T9V0aJjnUr2UASwgISEsf7F7JC2KkSazf+Zgax2QTUJH5P6gOLcwoES7zcdwvM ZhFQlZiyZx8zxFAfiZ5zK6D22khsOrqRCWLBZkaJabc2M4IcIQK0eclzRYijZSVuzb7EPIFR YBaSU2chnDoLyakLGJlXMQoUpeYkVhrpJRYU5KTqJefnbmIEh2eh8w7GY8usDjEKcDAq8fBu KF4QKcSaWFZcmXuIUYKDWUmEd2cBUIg3JbGyKrUoP76oNCe1+BCjNAeLkjhv/5E5kUIC6Ykl qdmpqQWpRTBZJg5OqQbGVT+LOWQffvEr8lRwLMp3qjd8M5VRdO05j52R7VPvtC7r1q7RlwuK +si/V1ng4Ioso9/7G94IcS7141v9auZbbeFnvywnLXhhuK8uv/qkx/IHoW+3nnz2O7hvl+b2 ae8LlI3s3tRsO1z3Ln/GsSRuHfW+w5NfhCqZd8RFp66RkZqpy3/C1HyzEktxRqKhFnNRcSIA Cp732EsCAAA= Cc: PWG IPP WG Reflector Subject: Re: [IPP] New draft of IPP Presets posted; discussion needed on storing presets in Printer X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" Ira, > On Aug 25, 2017, at 4:27 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > Fine - as long as End Users don't get to use Set-Printer-Attributes. > > We really need to keep "template-job" Resources. Xerox has implemented > them for 20 years in DPA-based production systems. Others have done so. Well, just because that is the way things have been done in the past by a single vendor doesn't mean we need to encourage future use of templates in the same form. In IPP a template resource would be an IPP message containing the document, job, or printer attributes that would be used in a creation request. A Client that used such a resource would need to: 1. Lookup Printer resources using a new Printer operation (which should probably be Get-Printer-Resources, not Get-User-Resources - the resources are associated with the Printer object, not with a User), 2. Present the user with a list of templates, which when selected either: a. Disable all of the user controls for the attributes; or b. Cause the Client software to download and decode the resource so that the individual controls can be set to match the template. 3. When the User submits the Job, either: a. Include the resource ID in the Job Creation request; or b. Include the individual attributes and values from the resource, including overrides by the User without specifying the resource ID in the Job Creation Request. It's steps 2b and 3b that bother me the most - a lot of extra requests for little benefit. And even if you decide to define the template resource as overlaying the default values for each attribute, with any other attributes in the creation request overriding the template, you make the Client either track differences from the template or send all of the attributes anyways. And if the template resource is canceled before the Client's Job Creation request is accepted, the Job will fail in a way that will require the Client to do a lot of additional processing (is resource-ids in the unsupported attributes group?) or show a (questionable) error to the User, probably requiring them to cancel the print UI and try again... Then there is the question of storing the template resources on the Printer - since resources are managed by the System you need to first create and install the resource on the System (three operations with authorization for the System) and then allocate the resource to the Printer (a fourth operation, this time authorized for the Printer). How likely do you think it will be that the ACLs for that sequence of operations will be misconfigured?!? I understand the reasons for wanting job/document/printer template resources. But I question the need for such complexity in 2017, particularly when such templates introduce further exceptions without an obvious benefit over Presets. > The idea is that there's a NEW End User operation on a Printer called > Get-User-Resources that mirrors Get-Resources from System Service. > > Having End Users push presets to Printers for use by other End Users > assumes the whole fine-grained access control policies of original IDS > work. Too much new ground for too little benefit. Agreed. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Fri Aug 25 15:32:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EFAC132C7C for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 15:32:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.586 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.586 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AC_DIV_BONANZA=0.001, BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (2048-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wN4H8plBoj6e for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 15:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.pwg.org (www.pwg.org [IPv6:2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe70:b03f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF762132C78 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 15:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by www.pwg.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id BE0D74411; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 22:32:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.pwg.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4FB2687; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 22:32:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: by www.pwg.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id CA24126E4; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 22:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qt0-x232.google.com (mail-qt0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::232]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF5752488 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 22:32:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt0-x232.google.com with SMTP id u11so5536640qtu.1 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 15:32:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=XvnG0hmAlghRz7JoZEgXZmgYVOi4gXJWkk7x61jIo6s=; b=BRNQQ8LnXJLwF6anFSUBfUU/rK3cgD2ZwoO0zP3WHlNpTdiXJ53kA5pT0uLnYpyWC5 9sZBFQM9kiyyOZCeb80dVanUhsVlk5CqaqJJLqw0/L0oBZ4TfjMDzKWdnYSgMUzSlvMz /ab5XMZ9Chh8+duJZ5SDIfPfauZHzxyMcAleTexhbDpj82PV80Ybo5hsqsVwWmuCtFVn tAFdFb2UHusyQq/HOIv+8F2ojICufu59tk++EBBEnDz2p9SlHFz2SjqxQbxfmII8X/aX KFsoMOaQIhTQEOTsoGXFYr7AoLgJ0ix/7Nrto3GSswn7ighXTKo+06QnhcfaqTs0ytfl 18pA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=XvnG0hmAlghRz7JoZEgXZmgYVOi4gXJWkk7x61jIo6s=; b=hJAoq0MZzZqfu8kyB6PrZJolxEwf2LoBogaupcixtvGLkTm/2bRM2/Dnkm5EORzdWO PBm70lYMpEcu+0UhHFPHn5j2p5Q1iGcwfA/nyduuZzBe3G2Iy/gp6BS+e+MJoS49O6Jw eUDPPEIiO7QSUpb2nbcA3qKc5bv1jsoZiSqGhoSvw4Ply5pgNH6Z1VcoduZKpKBKBNxT YP4s60Gk0oKrgxNL9aZoaD8My+GZ4bwqZR+rbjBHSP/B3NJen4GqJRlI+jTSOZo09N4V X08A9m3fwAXHqzb+7YhZyTZ+5HYLTD2XwcGQXjbbWL94famEoRBToAafeAtdO2vY+OUk htHA== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5hEgSn4tQmx0a7CpXK6vroOuaP+2BFmc7d/DxDdPPK+CxHvNjt5 fiVLrTfBP7IfBU+3+bYfB14YOo5KbA== X-Received: by 10.200.35.12 with SMTP id a12mr14827516qta.271.1503700356928; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 15:32:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.23.135 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 15:32:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <595ACEAD-FC87-4EB3-A89E-416DCA68E526@apple.com> References: <595ACEAD-FC87-4EB3-A89E-416DCA68E526@apple.com> From: Ira McDonald Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 18:32:16 -0400 Message-ID: To: Michael Sweet , Ira McDonald Cc: PWG IPP WG Reflector Subject: Re: [IPP] New draft of IPP Presets posted; discussion needed on storing presets in Printer X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3563013755676869773==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============3563013755676869773== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113a6e389f99f305579b85ee" --001a113a6e389f99f305579b85ee Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Mike, For Create-Printer it's really nice to have a template-printer Resource for each supported service type. I agree about the template-job (too heavyweight to configure). But we already plan that the HTTP PUT of a font to a well-known URL will quietly create a corresponding Resource object for that font. Why not do that simple HTTP PUT for job templates? Pete's retired from PWG work or he'd be speaking up for Job Templates (they're part (in XML at present) of PWG Job Ticket spec). I think the MIME type of a Job Template Resource should allow application/ipp or text/xml. Is even the simple HTTP PUT support too much for IPP native job templates (i.e., wire-encoded IPP attributes, not PAPI or XML)? Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > Ira, > > > On Aug 25, 2017, at 4:27 PM, Ira McDonald > wrote: > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > Fine - as long as End Users don't get to use Set-Printer-Attributes. > > > > We really need to keep "template-job" Resources. Xerox has implemented > > them for 20 years in DPA-based production systems. Others have done so. > > Well, just because that is the way things have been done in the past by a > single vendor doesn't mean we need to encourage future use of templates in > the same form. > > In IPP a template resource would be an IPP message containing the > document, job, or printer attributes that would be used in a creation > request. A Client that used such a resource would need to: > > 1. Lookup Printer resources using a new Printer operation (which should > probably be Get-Printer-Resources, not Get-User-Resources - the resources > are associated with the Printer object, not with a User), > > 2. Present the user with a list of templates, which when selected either: > a. Disable all of the user controls for the attributes; or > b. Cause the Client software to download and decode the resource so > that the individual controls can be set to match the template. > > 3. When the User submits the Job, either: > a. Include the resource ID in the Job Creation request; or > b. Include the individual attributes and values from the resource, > including overrides by the User without specifying the resource ID in the > Job Creation Request. > > It's steps 2b and 3b that bother me the most - a lot of extra requests for > little benefit. And even if you decide to define the template resource as > overlaying the default values for each attribute, with any other attributes > in the creation request overriding the template, you make the Client either > track differences from the template or send all of the attributes anyways. > And if the template resource is canceled before the Client's Job Creation > request is accepted, the Job will fail in a way that will require the > Client to do a lot of additional processing (is resource-ids in the > unsupported attributes group?) or show a (questionable) error to the User, > probably requiring them to cancel the print UI and try again... > > Then there is the question of storing the template resources on the > Printer - since resources are managed by the System you need to first > create and install the resource on the System (three operations with > authorization for the System) and then allocate the resource to the Printer > (a fourth operation, this time authorized for the Printer). How likely do > you think it will be that the ACLs for that sequence of operations will be > misconfigured?!? > > I understand the reasons for wanting job/document/printer template > resources. But I question the need for such complexity in 2017, > particularly when such templates introduce further exceptions without an > obvious benefit over Presets. > > > The idea is that there's a NEW End User operation on a Printer called > > Get-User-Resources that mirrors Get-Resources from System Service. > > > > Having End Users push presets to Printers for use by other End Users > > assumes the whole fine-grained access control policies of original IDS > > work. Too much new ground for too little benefit. > > Agreed. > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer > > --001a113a6e389f99f305579b85ee Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mike,

For Create-Printer it's really nice t= o have a template-printer Resource
for each supported service type= .

I agree about the template-job (too heavyweight to configure= ).=C2=A0 But
we already plan that the HTTP PUT of a font to a well= -known URL
will quietly create a corresponding Resource object for= that font.
Why not do that simple HTTP PUT for job templates?=C2= =A0

Pete's retired from PWG work or he'd be speaking = up for Job Templates
(they're part (in XML at present) of PWG = Job Ticket spec).=C2=A0 I think the
MIME type of a Job Template Re= source should allow application/ipp
or text/xml.

Is e= ven the simple HTTP PUT support too much for IPP native job
templa= tes (i.e., wire-encoded IPP attributes, not PAPI or XML)?

Chee= rs,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Arch= itect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Fou= ndation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
= Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated E= xpert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
= mailto: bluero= ofmusic@gmail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 4= 8176=C2=A0 734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839= =C2=A0 906-494-2434


On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Michael Swe= et <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

> On Aug 25, 2017, at 4:27 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> Fine - as long as End Users don't get to use Set-Printer-Attribute= s.
>
> We really need to keep "template-job" Resources.=C2=A0 Xerox= has implemented
> them for 20 years in DPA-based production systems.=C2=A0 Others have d= one so.

Well, just because that is the way things have been done in the past= by a single vendor doesn't mean we need to encourage future use of tem= plates in the same form.

In IPP a template resource would be an IPP message containing the document,= job, or printer attributes that would be used in a creation request.=C2=A0= A Client that used such a resource would need to:

1. Lookup Printer resources using a new Printer operation (which should pro= bably be Get-Printer-Resources, not Get-User-Resources - the resources are = associated with the Printer object, not with a User),

2. Present the user with a list of templates, which when selected either: =C2=A0 =C2=A0a. Disable all of the user controls for the attributes; or
=C2=A0 =C2=A0b. Cause the Client software to download and decode the resour= ce so that the individual controls can be set to match the template.

3. When the User submits the Job, either:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0a. Include the resource ID in the Job Creation request; or
=C2=A0 =C2=A0b. Include the individual attributes and values from the resou= rce, including overrides by the User without specifying the resource ID in = the Job Creation Request.

It's steps 2b and 3b that bother me the most - a lot of extra requests = for little benefit.=C2=A0 And even if you decide to define the template res= ource as overlaying the default values for each attribute, with any other a= ttributes in the creation request overriding the template, you make the Cli= ent either track differences from the template or send all of the attribute= s anyways.=C2=A0 And if the template resource is canceled before the Client= 's Job Creation request is accepted, the Job will fail in a way that wi= ll require the Client to do a lot of additional processing (is resource-ids= in the unsupported attributes group?) or show a (questionable) error to th= e User, probably requiring them to cancel the print UI and try again...

Then there is the question of storing the template resources on the Printer= - since resources are managed by the System you need to first create and i= nstall the resource on the System (three operations with authorization for = the System) and then allocate the resource to the Printer (a fourth operati= on, this time authorized for the Printer).=C2=A0 How likely do you think it= will be that the ACLs for that sequence of operations will be misconfigure= d?!?

I understand the reasons for wanting job/document/printer template resource= s.=C2=A0 But I question the need for such complexity in 2017, particularly = when such templates introduce further exceptions without an obvious benefit= over Presets.

> The idea is that there's a NEW End User operation on a Printer cal= led
> Get-User-Resources that mirrors Get-Resources from System Service.
>
> Having End Users push presets to Printers for use by other End Users > assumes the whole fine-grained access control policies of original IDS=
> work.=C2=A0 Too much new ground for too little benefit.

Agreed.

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer


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discussion needed on storing presets in Printer X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" Ira, > On Aug 25, 2017, at 6:32 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > For Create-Printer it's really nice to have a template-printer Resource > for each supported service type. Agreed, and for a sometimes-used admin operation with likely vendor extension attributes, I think it is appropriate. I also think that we should define the semantics of template resources in general, i.e., the order of precedence used in creation operations: 1. Attributes in request (highest) 2. Attributes in resource 3. Default attributes (lowest) That makes it clear how a template resource is applied during a create request. > I agree about the template-job (too heavyweight to configure). But > we already plan that the HTTP PUT of a font to a well-known URL > will quietly create a corresponding Resource object for that font. > Why not do that simple HTTP PUT for job templates? Well, while we do have HTTP PUT for creating and allocating Printer resources (as defined in IPP INFRA), that interface is also quite limited compared to using the Create-Resource operation since you cannot specify a "resource-name" different from the filename in the PUT. So either the Printer has to pull the "resource-name" value from the file's metadata, e.g., the typeface name, and/or you use the "base name" from the URL, e.g., "http://printer.example.com/ipp/print/resources/Foo%20Bold.otf" has a "resource-name" value of 'Foo Bold'. For IPP messages we'd be limited to using the base name approach, which means UTF-8 with percent escapes in the URL (ugh). > Pete's retired from PWG work or he'd be speaking up for Job Templates > (they're part (in XML at present) of PWG Job Ticket spec). I think the > MIME type of a Job Template Resource should allow application/ipp > or text/xml. *If* an implementation chose to support a PWG PJT (with whichever schema) we need to use a specific MIME media type for it, not just "text/xml". Also, I believe IETF currently wants us to use application-scoped media types for this kind of thing, so that would probably mean registering "application/pwg-pjt+xml". There is also the issue of schema versions - do we make that part of the media type (a parameter) that can be included in "resource-formats-supported" values? > Is even the simple HTTP PUT support too much for IPP native job > templates (i.e., wire-encoded IPP attributes, not PAPI or XML)? The issue is how hard will it be for the Client to support them? Doing N requests (Get-User/Printer-Resources + a bunch of HTTP GET requests) to get presets (which is all Job Template resources are) is inefficient and complicated compared to looking at a single collection attribute that is returned by the (common) Get-Printer-Attributes request that Clients already do. I can also say we (Apple) are more likely to support the "job-presets" and "job-triggers" attributes than we are to support Job Template resources - philosophically they are better aligned with how presets and our internal trigger implementations work on macOS, and adding support for them will be easier (since we already have the interface for querying Printer attributes) than if we have to add additional code to query and pull resources. And because there are fewer requests, the time to show the Print UI will remain low. Many Printers also already support Set-Printer-Attributes, so I think adding support for a couple attributes will be easier than adding all of the resource infrastructure. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sun Aug 27 09:34:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D4513293F for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2017 09:34:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.586 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.586 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AC_DIV_BONANZA=0.001, BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (2048-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sPxHTWvqIrL1 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2017 09:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.pwg.org (www.pwg.org [50.116.7.199]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDFC3132328 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2017 09:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by www.pwg.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 8E33F99D6; Sun, 27 Aug 2017 16:34:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.pwg.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2D326F2; Sun, 27 Aug 2017 16:34:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: by www.pwg.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id CD7144160; Sun, 27 Aug 2017 16:34:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qt0-x22d.google.com (mail-qt0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22d]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AAD5D26DB for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2017 16:34:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id v29so16611171qtv.3 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2017 09:34:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=uiwaxa5XaRJK7Xq3gc1KdVPBkLV+0NW83rf2LQNYhtA=; b=umWlJPxQgwgUAWOOlSJAm2RN+sTE9WlfQvHK+H0Ek4W+2CRASVY+1qkFrc9U2JdLXa 47eShA4l/qb5hUvcFAivsJ1+A/OBj+uiTp4zEf5ObX1ONLwngl5kXTkpnlfnHN8NaMew 8uheQQ3e8lyQ1TXFdw0q3jFO4oHiuYZDbXc5eeXwBDv8KKOAiTQWydjT2XpXCzKxfIB8 ARKGpAuAJWPsfVUtELi8BPnOL9+LQMjsVGBDyMjOupYTNL29J5jGQr8YXekrVMdAFXHA sBm2Law7t/4sqb2Pw/6lvKu1bdp0wKZFMIARoQzX7mAHbpMTSHHyrfdHPtkrbus1+R3F KOrA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=uiwaxa5XaRJK7Xq3gc1KdVPBkLV+0NW83rf2LQNYhtA=; b=Ec+U88PPM7up1RYTGsxvzC/GZNPaExXFgYqfuZmz8YDJmZXB4s5nUaeDrk3OXJh6dN o9wL/NW/zctQY8ByyVUbhv0PdBYiG+8Y2BaBf9B6V6Oy0US5fVw+9t5StwB9gIxJaT7H J1oh+h22UzP4syypbtlcRXub/1g9zxRSnfWoDSroY4PvBfy5W+SmcztBbyQ3oaqZRhXs gLCGzI66Hk/a9xvy+vOXJJTkfirRVx4pBj5Z6hAhmGc8H6AsdeW7cW02hmI68rWs8oWI Mi8NPH6O38dCsvHS2wPxN8PT7dEwtsxdwnX4cVqh266OQtrQSryOIe6tJr8sG+ojJUCI a/Dw== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5j4G6klvNXUp6bHT2HQFCfuLnLmbbaItQNGBWPqmEP9wBlR2NV2 UsfOSg/1ekgx9+TxzEt9l6r3Ig7YYw== X-Received: by 10.200.35.12 with SMTP id a12mr5824049qta.271.1503851672797; Sun, 27 Aug 2017 09:34:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.23.135 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Aug 2017 09:34:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <505ADDF2-55F9-44DB-9557-809C8302FFE4@apple.com> References: <595ACEAD-FC87-4EB3-A89E-416DCA68E526@apple.com> <505ADDF2-55F9-44DB-9557-809C8302FFE4@apple.com> From: Ira McDonald Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 12:34:12 -0400 Message-ID: To: Michael Sweet , Ira McDonald Cc: PWG IPP WG Reflector Subject: Re: [IPP] New draft of IPP Presets posted; discussion needed on storing presets in Printer X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6900018884096704708==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============6900018884096704708== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113a6e38c0882d0557bec062" --001a113a6e38c0882d0557bec062 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Mike, Thanks - i agree with all your points. Shoehorning presets into Resources would always be a bit strange. Smith had (verbally) hoped to perhaps use Resources for finer-grained access control (i.e., "this is a preset Resource for my user group"), but even so, there's no getting around that End Users shouldn't be doing the Printer configuration (by whatever operations), so pushing Client side presets to Printers from End Users just doesn't work. I agree with your explicit precedence of attributes for Create-Printer. Pete's original thought about Job Template resources was that they formed a neat alternative to a lot of pre-configured Printers (color, double-sided, etc.). I'll give this a bit more thought. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > Ira, > > > On Aug 25, 2017, at 6:32 PM, Ira McDonald > wrote: > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > For Create-Printer it's really nice to have a template-printer Resource > > for each supported service type. > > Agreed, and for a sometimes-used admin operation with likely vendor > extension attributes, I think it is appropriate. > > I also think that we should define the semantics of template resources in > general, i.e., the order of precedence used in creation operations: > > 1. Attributes in request (highest) > 2. Attributes in resource > 3. Default attributes (lowest) > > That makes it clear how a template resource is applied during a create > request. > > > I agree about the template-job (too heavyweight to configure). But > > we already plan that the HTTP PUT of a font to a well-known URL > > will quietly create a corresponding Resource object for that font. > > Why not do that simple HTTP PUT for job templates? > > Well, while we do have HTTP PUT for creating and allocating Printer > resources (as defined in IPP INFRA), that interface is also quite limited > compared to using the Create-Resource operation since you cannot specify a > "resource-name" different from the filename in the PUT. So either the > Printer has to pull the "resource-name" value from the file's metadata, > e.g., the typeface name, and/or you use the "base name" from the URL, e.g., > "http://printer.example.com/ipp/print/resources/Foo%20Bold.otf" has a > "resource-name" value of 'Foo Bold'. > > For IPP messages we'd be limited to using the base name approach, which > means UTF-8 with percent escapes in the URL (ugh). > > > Pete's retired from PWG work or he'd be speaking up for Job Templates > > (they're part (in XML at present) of PWG Job Ticket spec). I think the > > MIME type of a Job Template Resource should allow application/ipp > > or text/xml. > > *If* an implementation chose to support a PWG PJT (with whichever schema) > we need to use a specific MIME media type for it, not just "text/xml". > Also, I believe IETF currently wants us to use application-scoped media > types for this kind of thing, so that would probably mean registering > "application/pwg-pjt+xml". > > There is also the issue of schema versions - do we make that part of the > media type (a parameter) that can be included in > "resource-formats-supported" values? > > > Is even the simple HTTP PUT support too much for IPP native job > > templates (i.e., wire-encoded IPP attributes, not PAPI or XML)? > > The issue is how hard will it be for the Client to support them? Doing N > requests (Get-User/Printer-Resources + a bunch of HTTP GET requests) to get > presets (which is all Job Template resources are) is inefficient and > complicated compared to looking at a single collection attribute that is > returned by the (common) Get-Printer-Attributes request that Clients > already do. > > I can also say we (Apple) are more likely to support the "job-presets" and > "job-triggers" attributes than we are to support Job Template resources - > philosophically they are better aligned with how presets and our internal > trigger implementations work on macOS, and adding support for them will be > easier (since we already have the interface for querying Printer > attributes) than if we have to add additional code to query and pull > resources. And because there are fewer requests, the time to show the > Print UI will remain low. > > Many Printers also already support Set-Printer-Attributes, so I think > adding support for a couple attributes will be easier than adding all of > the resource infrastructure. > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer > > --001a113a6e38c0882d0557bec062 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mike,

Thanks - i agree with all your points.

=
Shoehorning presets into Resources would always be a bit strange.
=
Smith had (verbally) hoped to perhaps use Resources for finer-gra= ined
access control (i.e., "this is a preset Resource for my = user group"), but
even so, there's no getting around that= End Users shouldn't be doing
the Printer configuration (by wh= atever operations), so pushing Client
side presets to Printers fro= m End Users just doesn't work.

I agree with your explicit = precedence of attributes for Create-Printer.

Pete's origin= al thought about Job Template resources was that they
formed a nea= t alternative to a lot of pre-configured Printers (color,
double-s= ided, etc.).=C2=A0 I'll give this a bit more thought.

Chee= rs,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Arch= itect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Fou= ndation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
= Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated E= xpert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
= mailto: bluero= ofmusic@gmail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 4= 8176=C2=A0 734-944-0094
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On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Michael Swe= et <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

> On Aug 25, 2017, at 6:32 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> For Create-Printer it's really nice to hav= e a template-printer Resource
> for each supported service type.

Agreed, and for a sometimes-used admin operation with likely vendor = extension attributes, I think it is appropriate.

I also think that we should define the semantics of template resources in g= eneral, i.e., the order of precedence used in creation operations:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 1. Attributes in request (highest)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 2. Attributes in resource
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 3. Default attributes (lowest)

That makes it clear how a template resource is applied during a create requ= est.

> I agree about the template-job (too heavyweight to configure).=C2=A0 B= ut
> we already plan that the HTTP PUT of a font to a well-known URL
> will quietly create a corresponding Resource object for that font.
> Why not do that simple HTTP PUT for job templates?

Well, while we do have HTTP PUT for creating and allocating Printer = resources (as defined in IPP INFRA), that interface is also quite limited c= ompared to using the Create-Resource operation since you cannot specify a &= quot;resource-name" different from the filename in the PUT.=C2=A0 So e= ither the Printer has to pull the "resource-name" value from the = file's metadata, e.g., the typeface name, and/or you use the "base= name" from the URL, e.g., "h= ttp://printer.example.com/ipp/print/resources/Foo%20Bold.otf&= quot; has a "resource-name" value of 'Foo Bold'.

For IPP messages we'd be limited to using the base name approach, which= means UTF-8 with percent escapes in the URL (ugh).

> Pete's retired from PWG work or he'd be speaking up for Job Te= mplates
> (they're part (in XML at present) of PWG Job Ticket spec).=C2=A0 I= think the
> MIME type of a Job Template Resource should allow application/ipp
> or text/xml.

*If* an implementation chose to support a PWG PJT (with whichever sc= hema) we need to use a specific MIME media type for it, not just "text= /xml".=C2=A0 Also, I believe IETF currently wants us to use applicatio= n-scoped media types for this kind of thing, so that would probably mean re= gistering "application/pwg-pjt+xml".

There is also the issue of schema versions - do we make that part of the me= dia type (a parameter) that can be included in "resource-formats-suppo= rted" values?

> Is even the simple HTTP PUT support too much for IPP native job
> templates (i.e., wire-encoded IPP attributes, not PAPI or XML)?

The issue is how hard will it be for the Client to support them?=C2= =A0 Doing N requests (Get-User/Printer-Resources + a bunch of HTTP GET requ= ests) to get presets (which is all Job Template resources are) is inefficie= nt and complicated compared to looking at a single collection attribute tha= t is returned by the (common) Get-Printer-Attributes request that Clients a= lready do.

I can also say we (Apple) are more likely to support the "job-presets&= quot; and "job-triggers" attributes than we are to support Job Te= mplate resources - philosophically they are better aligned with how presets= and our internal trigger implementations work on macOS, and adding support= for them will be easier (since we already have the interface for querying = Printer attributes) than if we have to add additional code to query and pul= l resources.=C2=A0 And because there are fewer requests, the time to show t= he Print UI will remain low.

Many Printers also already support Set-Printer-Attributes, so I think addin= g support for a couple attributes will be easier than adding all of the res= ource infrastructure.

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer


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Do we need a 'fold-letter-outward'? X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5346227638965226435==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============5346227638965226435== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_43244BFD-EC7F-4A53-9CF0-45AC8CCDC8A8"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_43244BFD-EC7F-4A53-9CF0-45AC8CCDC8A8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Aug 25, 2017, at 10:20 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: >=20 > Right now we don't differentiate between them for the standard = finishing-template/finishings values. 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Do we need a 'fold-letter-outward'? X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" Smith, That looks about right... > On Aug 28, 2017, at 7:48 AM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) wrote: > > >> On Aug 25, 2017, at 10:20 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: >> >> Right now we don't differentiate between them for the standard finishing-template/finishings values. What I would do is use one fold direction consistently as the "default" for 'fold-letter' and then have a vendor template name ('smiNNN-fold-letter-in/outward') for the opposite direction. > > OK so something like this in our case (our smallest SMI PEN is 11): > > { > finishing-template=smi11-fold-letter-outward > media-sheets-supported=1-3 > media-size-name=na_letter_8.5x11in > folding= > { > folding-direction=outward > folding-offset=8940 > folding-reference-edge=top > } > folding= > { > folding-direction=outward > folding-offset=8940 > folding-reference-edge=top > } > } > > And then we would also put a string in our string catalog (en.strings or whatever) so that "smi11-fold-letter-outward" isn't shown to the user. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Tue Aug 29 07:56:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1214E132D00 for ; 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Hi,

This week's IPP W= G call was canceled due to schedule conflicts.

The next IPP WG= call will be on Thursday 14 September 2017.

Cheers,
= - Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chai= r - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Prin= ting WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
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sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-ID: <3435B1CCD2558D4CB654E7D6DF0DF647@NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: hp.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 01 Sep 2017 01:29:16.1937 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: ca7981a2-785a-463d-b82a-3db87dfc3ce6 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DF4PR84MB0122 Subject: [IPP] =?iso-8859-1?q?Issue_36_part_2_by_wifiprintguy_=B7_Pull_Req?= =?iso-8859-1?q?uest_=2347_=B7_istopwg/ippsample?= X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" Greetings, I have created another pull request for resolving issue #36 "ipptool: EXPECT directive uses case-sensitive host name comparison but should be case insensitive" via 2 commits, that should also properly support the WITH-RESOURCE, WITH-ALL-RESOURCES, WITH-SCHEME and WITH-ALL-SCHEMES EXPECT directives. Please review, as I think this should resolve the issues holding up some of HP's IPP Everywhere Self Certifications. > https://github.com/istopwg/ippsample/pull/47 Cheers, Smith /** Smith Kennedy Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum / USB IF Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group HP Inc. */ _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp