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Wed, 01 Nov 2017 08:46:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Sweet Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2017 11:46:50 -0400 Message-id: <9FB9FD1A-F45E-483E-B274-C9D280F5DB09@apple.com> To: ipp X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.4.7) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFuplluLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42IRbCgM1s158zPS4OtrC4tj+16yODB6zFs8 nSmAMYrLJiU1J7MstUjfLoErY8/Wg6wFF1grTs+8xdjAeJ6li5GTQ0LARGLutRdsXYxcHEIC q5kkdj98wAqT+P75GitE4hCjxNy2bkaQBK+AoMSPyfeAujk4mAXkJQ6elwUJMwtoSXx/1MoC Ud/KJNH4+i0bSEJYQELieP9CsKFsAmoSvyf1gdksAqoSr07Ngarxldh+8z8TxHwbiV23zzOD 2CICohLHfi5hhjhIUWLD9XXMIAskBM6ySvx83cE+gVFgFpKbZiHcNAvJTQsYmVcxCuUmZubo ZuaZ6yUWFOSk6iXn525iBIXfdDuxHYwPV1kdYhTgYFTi4X1x+UekEGtiWXFl7iFGaQ4WJXHe P3d/RgoJpCeWpGanphakFsUXleakFh9iZOLglGpgPLrV1s232TY5/L1STd9BHuN37NcfPVwb J96dEX4hkmHF9eApujwXO/68Fqu7feg6p9Xml647jvSYOpX6+oe3tDb9fBv5+1Mcr57D2dT1 MjzX+Bllt4WdWDbDST90gf61AJOYGQrHK0Qc5nt+8l4zU4hrj85P/jWfhf6yhu1J2n8sPPPS +9NvlViKMxINtZiLihMBwKGo6SACAAA= X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFmpgluLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42IRbCiu0s158zPSYM8XU4tj+16yODB6zFs8 nSmAMYrLJiU1J7MstUjfLoErY8/Wg6wFF1grTs+8xdjAeJ6li5GTQ0LAROL752usXYxcHEIC hxgl5rZ1M4IkeAUEJX5MvgdUxMHBLCAvcfC8LEiYWUBL4vujVhaI+lYmicbXb9lAEsICEhLH +xeygthsAmoSvyf1gdksAqoSr07Ngarxldh+8z8TxHwbiV23zzOD2CICohLHfi5hhjhIUWLD 9XXMExh5ZyE5YxbCGbOQnLGAkXkVo0BRak5ipbFeYkFBTqpecn7uJkZwuBQG72D8s8zqEKMA B6MSD6/DtR+RQqyJZcWVuUB/cjArifCeO/MzUog3JbGyKrUoP76oNCe1+BCjNAeLkjhvwXyg aoH0xJLU7NTUgtQimCwTB6dUA6Pu2u9GLCod/UWb//tFMOnNdw1cdS2s/rdWQLjrLZkgN5cY rZrtPBHcVcu0+dQeHDs6xXCbNrfiysV3kuNPJPXcEfkzzehGxK5DckfVInyvXSzU6f3gzVG+ +vKB6DvpNzTyvea/vDhLJujYzLkcT9oDz2z+r+xvlf39rVrPNHPGVfc2Bh71fa7EUpyRaKjF XFScCAAguubcEwIAAA== Subject: [IPP] Registration template for "print-color-mode" value 'auto-monochrome' X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" All, Apple has been using the "print-color-mode" value 'auto-monochrome' for many years to specify that the printer should automatically choose between 'monochrome' and 'process-monochrome' (whichever is the best choice for the current marker and media combination). It was recently brought to my attention that we had never registered this value, so here is out registration template... Attributes (attribute syntax) Keyword Attribute Value Reference ----------------------- --------- print-color-mode (type2 keyword) [PWG5100.13] auto-monochrome [APPLE20171101] _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Fri Nov 3 12:09:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5241213FF58 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2017 12:09:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.789 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.789 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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boundary="===============7892033699509312125==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============7892033699509312125== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0ABEAF7C-7EA4-4CE4-97D5-8DA4C5240F0C"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_0ABEAF7C-7EA4-4CE4-97D5-8DA4C5240F0C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greetings, I have published another stable draft of IPP Presets for review, that = should be a candidate for working group last call. It is available here: https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipppreset-20171103.pdf https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipppreset-20171103.odt https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipppreset-20171103-rev.pdf https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipppreset-20171103-rev.odt Changes include: * Added additional Client requirements to section 4.1.1 requiring the = Client to copy ALL attributes in the Preset into the Job Submission = record, even those that the Client doesn't natively support, to better = satisfy feedback from Canon. * Eliminated instances of passive voice which the editor is prone to = using * Capitalized all uses of RFC 2119 normative keywords * Other editorial changes Please review at your soonest convenience (ideally before the virtual = F2F in ~12 days). 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hp.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: hp.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: a5ec5dfe-f985-43ac-d5fc-08d5233ebf4c X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 04 Nov 2017 04:44:34.6596 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: ca7981a2-785a-463d-b82a-3db87dfc3ce6 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DF4PR84MB0283 Subject: [IPP] Updated stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes is now available for review X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2873250114894381178==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============2873250114894381178== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8EC541E2-58CE-4E52-94D7-10F127F25BE4"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_8EC541E2-58CE-4E52-94D7-10F127F25BE4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greetings, An updated stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes is now = available for review: https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103.pdf https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103.odt https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103-rev.pdf https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103-rev.odt Changes are minor: * Fixed a broken bookmark cross reference in section 3.1 * Fixed a few instances of passive voice * Some other editorial fixes Cheers, Smith /** Smith Kennedy Wireless & Standards Architect - IPG-PPS Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC = Forum / USB-IF Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group HP Inc. */ 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resomta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id Bocjeesq90v3OBockeb2r2; Mon, 06 Nov 2017 21:08:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect)" , PWG IPP WG Reflector From: Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 16:08:05 -0500 Importance: normal X-Priority: 3 Thread-Topic: Updated stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes is nowavailable for review In-Reply-To: References: X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfDLKo7zrXb/s3OyRiiNXRCefOBkxVoGNWfbR9lEP3osZZuM4VRRl9EgjhrTWGkoRwwF2Hl4WDGhmprd2g863lOX0d/tmPIpQh2S5mDaMarKeUiVZUZ4J T2APh1KeGuX0rsXhr0QwCJ3c7Az7bLbPbXB3dLb+K2nWPb7wFjFbcMmEtKK/ju1GX84Uu+1DOnM1Dz/FNXffoPv72m933FJG2eI= Message-Id: <20171106210804.C1E51CDCD@www.pwg.org> Subject: Re: [IPP] Updated stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes isnow available for review X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2447221449509721386==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============2447221449509721386== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_E58877F3-6D8B-432C-BD5B-0392D3C17DB4_" --_E58877F3-6D8B-432C-BD5B-0392D3C17DB4_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Smith, A few comments: 1. Although the standard compliance terms are used, (MUST, SHOULD, etc.) Se= ction 2 does not include the standard reference defining these terms. 2. Section 4 line 150 (in the non-redline pdf): =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6 Attribut= es operation [RFC8011] but can be authenticated =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D suggests= that the operation is authenticated, which I don=E2=80=99t think is a typi= cal way of indicating that the operation may prompt a sequence to authentic= ate the user. Prehaps rewording to =E2=80=9C =E2=80=A6 Attributes operatio= n [RFC8011] except that the response can be filtered based on the most auth= enticated user and to effect this, the operation can prompt a sequence to a= uthenticate the user.=E2=80=9D Or something like that. On a more general topic, for whatever reason, the PWG has typically provide= d drafts in MS Word and PDF formats. The =E2=80=98odt=E2=80=99 format is no= t compatible with , at least, my version of MS Word to the extent that open= ing it in MS Word produces a incorrectly displayed document subject to exte= nsive editorial comments. The Process states =E2=80=9C Internal working ver= sions of PWG documents should be available in an agreed upon, widely availa= ble word processing format, to provide for collaboration between document e= ditors and contributors. For example, Microsoft WORD and HTML are common=20 revisable formats in use, today. =E2=80=9C For those not familiar with your= use of Open Office, perhaps it would be better to include a note in your= draft announcements that the .odt extension files should be viewed with Ap= ache Open Office, not MS Word. Thanks, Bill Wagner From: Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2017 12:44 AM To: PWG IPP WG Reflector Subject: [IPP] Updated stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes isno= w available for review Greetings, An updated stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes is now available= for review: https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103.pdf https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103.odt https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103-rev.pdf https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103-rev.odt Changes are minor: * Fixed a broken bookmark cross reference in section 3.1 * Fixed a few instances of passive voice * Some other editorial fixes Cheers, Smith /** Smith Kennedy Wireless & Standards Architect - IPG-PPS Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum = / USB-IF Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group HP Inc. */ --_E58877F3-6D8B-432C-BD5B-0392D3C17DB4_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"

Hi Smith,

A = few comments:

  1. Altho= ugh the standard compliance terms are used, (MUST, SHOULD, etc.) Section 2 = does not include the=C2=A0 standard reference defining these terms.
    2. Section 4 line 150 (in the non-redline pdf): =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6 Attributes= operation [RFC8011] but can be authenticated =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D suggests t= hat the operation is authenticated, which I don=E2=80=99t think is a typica= l way of indicating that the operation may prompt a sequence to authenticat= e the user. Prehaps rewording to =E2=80=9C=C2=A0 =E2=80=A6 Attributes opera= tion [RFC8011] except that the response can be filtered based on the most a= uthenticated user and to effect this, the operation can prompt a sequence t= o authenticate the user.=E2=80=9D Or something like that.

     

    On a= more general topic, for whatever reason, the PWG has typically provided dr= afts in MS Word and PDF formats. The =E2=80=98odt=E2=80=99 format is not co= mpatible with , at least, my version of MS Word to the extent that opening = it in MS Word produces a incorrectly displayed document subject to extensiv= e editorial comments. The Process states =E2=80=9C Internal working version= s of PWG documents should be available in an agreed upon, widely available = word processing format, to provide for collaboration between document edito= rs and contributors. For example, Microsoft WORD and HTML are common <= /o:p>

    revisable formats in use, today. = =E2=80=9C For those not familiar with your use of =C2=A0Open Office,=C2=A0 = perhaps it would be better to include a note in your draft announcements th= at the .odt extension files should be viewed with Apache Open Office, not M= S Word.

     

    Thanks, Bill Wagner

     

     

     <= /o:p>

    From: Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect)
    Sent: Saturday, Novem= ber 4, 2017 12:44 AM
    To: PWG IPP W= G Reflector
    Subject: [IPP] Updated stable draft of IPP Get-Us= er-Printer-Attributes isnow available for review

     

    Greetings,

     

    An updated stable draft of = IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes is now available for review:

     

    https://ftp.pwg.org/pub= /pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103.pdf

    https://ftp.pwg= .org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103.odt

    https:/= /ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103-rev.pdf

    https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103-rev.odt

     

    Changes are mino= r:

    * Fixed a broken bookmark cross reference in sec= tion 3.1

    * Fixed a few instances of passive voice

    * Some other editorial fixes

     

    Cheers,

    = Smith

     

    /**=

    =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Smith Kennedy

    =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Wireless & Standards Architect - IPG-PPS

    <= p class=3DMsoNormal>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetoot= h SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum / USB-IF

    =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group

    =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 HP Inc.

    */

     

     

     

     

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boundary="===============8520356516422338498==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============8520356516422338498== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_S43If6n8IqtUDJAB2gCRUg)" --Boundary_(ID_S43If6n8IqtUDJAB2gCRUg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Smith/Bill, Perhaps we can use something in section 4 like the following: Access Rights: The authenticated user (see section 9.3 of [RFC8011]) = performing this operation must be either a User permitted to create = Print Jobs or an Operator or Administrator of the Printer. Otherwise, = the Printer MUST reject the operation and return = 'client-error-forbidden', 'client-error-not-authenticated', or = 'client-error-not-authorized' as appropriate. That mirrors the wording from other operations defined in RFC 8011 and = other places and makes it clear that the operation is provided for Users = that want to print. Thoughts? (As for the format debate, I always have used the PDF versions for = review because Word does not preserve the layout of text - local fonts = and margins for your last used printer will mess things up every = time...) > On Nov 6, 2017, at 4:08 PM, wamwagner@comcast.net wrote: >=20 > Hi Smith, > A few comments: > Although the standard compliance terms are used, (MUST, SHOULD, etc.) = Section 2 does not include the standard reference defining these terms. > Section 4 line 150 (in the non-redline pdf): =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6 = Attributes operation [RFC8011] but can be authenticated =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D= suggests that the operation is authenticated, which I don=E2=80=99t = think is a typical way of indicating that the operation may prompt a = sequence to authenticate the user. Prehaps rewording to =E2=80=9C =E2=80=A6= Attributes operation [RFC8011] except that the response can be filtered = based on the most authenticated user and to effect this, the operation = can prompt a sequence to authenticate the user.=E2=80=9D Or something = like that. > =20 > On a more general topic, for whatever reason, the PWG has typically = provided drafts in MS Word and PDF formats. The =E2=80=98odt=E2=80=99 = format is not compatible with , at least, my version of MS Word to the = extent that opening it in MS Word produces a incorrectly displayed = document subject to extensive editorial comments. The Process states =E2=80= =9C Internal working versions of PWG documents should be available in an = agreed upon, widely available word processing format, to provide for = collaboration between document editors and contributors. For example, = Microsoft WORD and HTML are common=20 > revisable formats in use, today. =E2=80=9C For those not familiar with = your use of Open Office, perhaps it would be better to include a note = in your draft announcements that the .odt extension files should be = viewed with Apache Open Office, not MS Word. > =20 > Thanks, Bill Wagner > =20 > =20 > =20 > From: Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) = > Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2017 12:44 AM > To: PWG IPP WG Reflector > Subject: [IPP] Updated stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes = isnow available for review > =20 > Greetings, > =20 > An updated stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes is now = available for review: > =20 > https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103.pdf > https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103.odt > https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103-rev.pdf > https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103-rev.odt > =20 > Changes are minor: > * Fixed a broken bookmark cross reference in section 3.1 > * Fixed a few instances of passive voice > * Some other editorial fixes > =20 > Cheers, > Smith > =20 > /** > Smith Kennedy > Wireless & Standards Architect - IPG-PPS > Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC = Forum / USB-IF > Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group > HP Inc. > */ > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer --Boundary_(ID_S43If6n8IqtUDJAB2gCRUg) Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Smith/Bill,

Perhaps we can use something in section 4 like the = following:

Access Rights: The authenticated user (see section 9.3 of = [RFC8011]) performing this operation must be either a User permitted to = create Print Jobs or an Operator or Administrator of the Printer. =  Otherwise, the Printer MUST reject the operation and return = 'client-error-forbidden', 'client-error-not-authenticated', or = 'client-error-not-authorized' as appropriate.

That mirrors the wording from = other operations defined in RFC 8011 and other places and makes it clear = that the operation is provided for Users that want to = print.

Thoughts?

(As for the format debate, I always have used the = PDF versions for review because Word does not preserve the layout of = text - local fonts and margins for your last used printer will mess = things up every time...)


On Nov = 6, 2017, at 4:08 PM, wamwagner@comcast.net wrote:

Hi Smith,
A few = comments:
  1. Although the standard compliance terms are used, = (MUST, SHOULD, etc.) Section 2 does not include the  standard = reference defining these terms.
  2. Section 4 line 150 (in the non-redline pdf): = =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6 Attributes operation [RFC8011] but can be = authenticated =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D suggests that the operation is = authenticated, which I don=E2=80=99t think is a typical way of = indicating that the operation may prompt a sequence to authenticate the = user. Prehaps rewording to =E2=80=9C  =E2=80=A6 Attributes = operation [RFC8011] except that the response can be filtered based on = the most authenticated user and to effect this, the operation can prompt = a sequence to authenticate the user.=E2=80=9D Or something like = that.
 
On a more general topic, for whatever = reason, the PWG has typically provided drafts in MS Word and PDF = formats. The =E2=80=98odt=E2=80=99 format is not compatible with , at = least, my version of MS Word to the extent that opening it in MS Word = produces a incorrectly displayed document subject to extensive editorial = comments. The Process states =E2=80=9C Internal working versions of PWG = documents should be available in an agreed upon, widely available word = processing format, to provide for collaboration between document editors = and contributors. For example, Microsoft WORD and HTML are common 
revisable formats in use, today. =E2=80=9C For those not = familiar with your use of  Open Office,  perhaps it would be = better to include a note in your draft announcements that the .odt = extension files should be viewed with Apache Open Office, not MS = Word.
 
Thanks, Bill Wagner
 
 
 
From: Kennedy, Smith (Wireless = Architect)
Sent: Saturday, November 4, = 2017 12:44 AM
To: PWG IPP WG Reflector
Subject: [IPP] Updated stable = draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes isnow available for = review
 
Greetings,
 
An = updated stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes is now available = for review:
 
https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103.pdf<= /div>
https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103.odt<= /div>
https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103-rev.pdf<= /a>
https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103-rev.odt<= /a>
 
Changes = are minor:
* Fixed a broken bookmark = cross reference in section 3.1
*= Fixed a few instances of passive voice
 
    Wireless & Standards = Architect - IPG-PPS
    Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer = Working Group
*/
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https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing = System Engineer

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boundary="===============3021487203904385607==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============3021487203904385607== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E3491D0D-4967-40E8-8EF8-A10789292667"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_E3491D0D-4967-40E8-8EF8-A10789292667 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F0C1B450-34F5-43CC-88CB-66E91C4669A8" --Apple-Mail=_F0C1B450-34F5-43CC-88CB-66E91C4669A8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 How about this for an update to section 4: 4 Get-User-Printer-Attributes Operation The Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation is semantically analogous to = the Get-Printer-Attributes operation [RFC8011] but the response can be = filtered based on the most authenticated user. The authenticated user = (see section 9.3 of [RFC8011]) performing this operation MUST be either = a User permitted to create Print Jobs or an Operator or Administrator of = the Printer. Otherwise, the Printer MUST reject the operation and = return 'client-error-forbidden', 'client-error-not-authenticated', or = 'client-error-not-authorized' as appropriate. The Client MUST be prepared to handle an HTTP authentication challenge = in response to a Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation request. If the = Client initiates the Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation over a = non-TLS connection, the Client MUST be prepared to receive an HTTP 426 = response to upgrade the connection to TLS [RFC2817]. See [RFC8010] and = [RFC8011] for authentication methods that require a secure channel. A Printer MUST support all the same operation attributes for a = Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation that it supports with a = Get-Printer-Attributes operation, including those used by a Client to = request a filtered response: =E2=80=9Cdocument-format=E2=80=9D = [RFC8011]; =E2=80=9Cfirst-index=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]; =E2=80=9Climit=E2=80= =9D [PWG5100.13]; and any of the attributes named by = =E2=80=9Cprinter-get-attributes-supported=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]. Smith > On Nov 6, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: >=20 > Smith/Bill, >=20 > Perhaps we can use something in section 4 like the following: >=20 > Access Rights: The authenticated user (see section 9.3 of [RFC8011]) = performing this operation must be either a User permitted to create = Print Jobs or an Operator or Administrator of the Printer. Otherwise, = the Printer MUST reject the operation and return = 'client-error-forbidden', 'client-error-not-authenticated', or = 'client-error-not-authorized' as appropriate. >=20 > That mirrors the wording from other operations defined in RFC 8011 and = other places and makes it clear that the operation is provided for Users = that want to print. >=20 > Thoughts? >=20 > (As for the format debate, I always have used the PDF versions for = review because Word does not preserve the layout of text - local fonts = and margins for your last used printer will mess things up every = time...) >=20 >=20 >> On Nov 6, 2017, at 4:08 PM, wamwagner@comcast.net = wrote: >>=20 >> Hi Smith, >> A few comments: >> Although the standard compliance terms are used, (MUST, SHOULD, etc.) = Section 2 does not include the standard reference defining these terms. >> Section 4 line 150 (in the non-redline pdf): =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6 = Attributes operation [RFC8011] but can be authenticated =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D= suggests that the operation is authenticated, which I don=E2=80=99t = think is a typical way of indicating that the operation may prompt a = sequence to authenticate the user. Prehaps rewording to =E2=80=9C =E2=80=A6= Attributes operation [RFC8011] except that the response can be filtered = based on the most authenticated user and to effect this, the operation = can prompt a sequence to authenticate the user.=E2=80=9D Or something = like that. >> =20 >> On a more general topic, for whatever reason, the PWG has typically = provided drafts in MS Word and PDF formats. The =E2=80=98odt=E2=80=99 = format is not compatible with , at least, my version of MS Word to the = extent that opening it in MS Word produces a incorrectly displayed = document subject to extensive editorial comments. The Process states =E2=80= =9C Internal working versions of PWG documents should be available in an = agreed upon, widely available word processing format, to provide for = collaboration between document editors and contributors. For example, = Microsoft WORD and HTML are common=20 >> revisable formats in use, today. =E2=80=9C For those not familiar = with your use of Open Office, perhaps it would be better to include a = note in your draft announcements that the .odt extension files should be = viewed with Apache Open Office, not MS Word. >> =20 >> Thanks, Bill Wagner >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> From: Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) = >> Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2017 12:44 AM >> To: PWG IPP WG Reflector >> Subject: [IPP] Updated stable draft of IPP = Get-User-Printer-Attributes isnow available for review >> =20 >> Greetings, >> =20 >> An updated stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes is now = available for review: >> =20 >> https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103.pdf = >> https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103.odt = >> https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103-rev.pdf = >> https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103-rev.odt = >> =20 >> Changes are minor: >> * Fixed a broken bookmark cross reference in section 3.1 >> * Fixed a few instances of passive voice >> * Some other editorial fixes >> =20 >> Cheers, >> Smith >> =20 >> /** >> Smith Kennedy >> Wireless & Standards Architect - IPG-PPS >> Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC = Forum / USB-IF >> Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group >> HP Inc. >> */ >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp = > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer >=20 --Apple-Mail=_F0C1B450-34F5-43CC-88CB-66E91C4669A8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 How = about this for an update to section 4:

4  Get-User-Printer-Attributes = Operation
The Get-User-Printer-Attributes = operation is semantically analogous to the Get-Printer-Attributes = operation [RFC8011] but the response can be filtered based on the most = authenticated user. The authenticated user (see section 9.3 of = [RFC8011]) performing this operation MUST be either a User permitted to = create Print Jobs or an Operator or Administrator of the Printer. =  Otherwise, the Printer MUST reject the operation and return = 'client-error-forbidden', 'client-error-not-authenticated', or = 'client-error-not-authorized' as appropriate.

The Client MUST be prepared to handle = an HTTP authentication challenge in response to a = Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation request. If the Client initiates = the Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation over a non-TLS connection, the = Client MUST be prepared to receive an HTTP 426 response to upgrade the = connection to TLS [RFC2817]. See [RFC8010] and [RFC8011] for = authentication methods that require a secure channel.

A Printer MUST support = all the same operation attributes for a Get-User-Printer-Attributes = operation that it supports with a Get-Printer-Attributes operation, = including those used by a Client to request a filtered response: = =E2=80=9Cdocument-format=E2=80=9D [RFC8011]; =E2=80=9Cfirst-index=E2=80=9D= [PWG5100.13]; =E2=80=9Climit=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]; and any of the = attributes named by =E2=80=9Cprinter-get-attributes-supported=E2=80=9D = [PWG5100.13].


Smith



On Nov 6, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> = wrote:

Smith/Bill,

Perhaps we can use = something in section 4 like the following:

Access Rights: The = authenticated user (see section 9.3 of [RFC8011]) performing this = operation must be either a User permitted to create Print Jobs or an = Operator or Administrator of the Printer.  Otherwise, the Printer = MUST reject the operation and return 'client-error-forbidden', = 'client-error-not-authenticated', or 'client-error-not-authorized' as = appropriate.

That mirrors the wording from other = operations defined in RFC 8011 and other places and makes it clear that = the operation is provided for Users that want to print.

Thoughts?

(As for the format = debate, I always have used the PDF versions for review because Word does = not preserve the layout of text - local fonts and margins for your last = used printer will mess things up every time...)


On Nov 6, 2017, at 4:08 PM, wamwagner@comcast.net= wrote:

Hi Smith,
A few = comments:
  1. Although the standard compliance terms are used, = (MUST, SHOULD, etc.) Section 2 does not include the  standard = reference defining these terms.
  2. Section 4 line 150 (in the non-redline pdf): = =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6 Attributes operation [RFC8011] but can be = authenticated =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D suggests that the operation is = authenticated, which I don=E2=80=99t think is a typical way of = indicating that the operation may prompt a sequence to authenticate the = user. Prehaps rewording to =E2=80=9C  =E2=80=A6 Attributes = operation [RFC8011] except that the response can be filtered based on = the most authenticated user and to effect this, the operation can prompt = a sequence to authenticate the user.=E2=80=9D Or something like = that.
 
On a more general topic, for whatever = reason, the PWG has typically provided drafts in MS Word and PDF = formats. The =E2=80=98odt=E2=80=99 format is not compatible with , at = least, my version of MS Word to the extent that opening it in MS Word = produces a incorrectly displayed document subject to extensive editorial = comments. The Process states =E2=80=9C Internal working versions of PWG = documents should be available in an agreed upon, widely available word = processing format, to provide for collaboration between document editors = and contributors. For example, Microsoft WORD and HTML are common 
revisable formats in use, today. =E2=80=9C For those not = familiar with your use of  Open Office,  perhaps it would be = better to include a note in your draft announcements that the .odt = extension files should be viewed with Apache Open Office, not MS = Word.
 
Thanks, Bill Wagner
 
 
 
From: Kennedy, Smith (Wireless = Architect)
Sent: Saturday, November 4, = 2017 12:44 AM
To: PWG IPP WG Reflector
Subject: [IPP] Updated stable = draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes isnow available for = review
 
Greetings,
 
An = updated stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes is now available = for review:
 
https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103.pdf<= /div>
https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103.odt<= /div>
https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103-rev.pdf<= /a>
https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103-rev.odt<= /a>
 
Changes = are minor:
* Fixed a broken bookmark = cross reference in section 3.1
*= Fixed a few instances of passive voice
 
    Wireless & Standards = Architect - IPG-PPS
    Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer = Working Group
*/
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stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributesisnow available for review X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3230296819096461753==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============3230296819096461753== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_2F6733A4-8AC1-4C03-9720-FBA573866643_" --_2F6733A4-8AC1-4C03-9720-FBA573866643_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Looks good=E2=80=A6except I am trying to remember why we weasleword and say= that the response =E2=80=9Ccan=E2=80=9D be filtered, whereas we use standa= rd compliance terms elsewhere. I vaguely recall this being discussed, but t= he implication is that a printer could respond without filtering. If that = were the intent, I expect that we would use =E2=80=98MAY=E2=80=99. Thanks, Bill Wagner From: Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 6:26 PM To: Michael Sweet Cc: William A Wagner; PWG IPP WG Reflector Subject: Re: [IPP] Updated stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributesi= snow available for review How about this for an update to section 4: 4 =C2=A0Get-User-Printer-Attributes Operation The Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation is semantically analogous to the = Get-Printer-Attributes operation [RFC8011] but the response can be filtered= based on the most authenticated user. The authenticated user (see section = 9.3 of [RFC8011]) performing this operation MUST be either a User permitted= to create Print Jobs or an Operator or Administrator of the Printer. =C2= =A0Otherwise, the Printer MUST reject the operation and return 'client-erro= r-forbidden', 'client-error-not-authenticated', or 'client-error-not-author= ized' as appropriate. The Client MUST be prepared to handle an HTTP authentication challenge in r= esponse to a Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation request. If the Client i= nitiates the Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation over a non-TLS connectio= n, the Client MUST be prepared to receive an HTTP 426 response to upgrade t= he connection to TLS [RFC2817]. See [RFC8010] and [RFC8011] for authenticat= ion methods that require a secure channel. A Printer MUST support all the same operation attributes for a Get-User-Pri= nter-Attributes operation that it supports with a Get-Printer-Attributes op= eration, including those used by a Client to request a filtered response: = =E2=80=9Cdocument-format=E2=80=9D [RFC8011]; =E2=80=9Cfirst-index=E2=80=9D = [PWG5100.13]; =E2=80=9Climit=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]; and any of the attribut= es named by =E2=80=9Cprinter-get-attributes-supported=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]= . Smith On Nov 6, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: Smith/Bill, Perhaps we can use something in section 4 like the following: Access Rights: The authenticated user (see section 9.3 of [RFC8011]) perfor= ming this operation must be either a User permitted to create Print Jobs or= an Operator or Administrator of the Printer. =C2=A0Otherwise, the Printer = MUST reject the operation and return 'client-error-forbidden', 'client-erro= r-not-authenticated', or 'client-error-not-authorized' as appropriate. That mirrors the wording from other operations defined in RFC 8011 and othe= r places and makes it clear that the operation is provided for Users that w= ant to print. Thoughts? (As for the format debate, I always have used the PDF versions for review b= ecause Word does not preserve the layout of text - local fonts and margins = for your last used printer will mess things up every time...) On Nov 6, 2017, at 4:08 PM, wamwagner@comcast.net wrote: Hi Smith, A few comments: 1. Although the standard compliance terms are used, (MUST, SHOULD, etc.) Se= ction 2 does not include the=C2=A0 standard reference defining these terms. 2. Section 4 line 150 (in the non-redline pdf): =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6 Attribut= es operation [RFC8011] but can be authenticated =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D suggests= that the operation is authenticated, which I don=E2=80=99t think is a typi= cal way of indicating that the operation may prompt a sequence to authentic= ate the user. Prehaps rewording to =E2=80=9C=C2=A0 =E2=80=A6 Attributes ope= ration [RFC8011] except that the response can be filtered based on the most= authenticated user and to effect this, the operation can prompt a sequence= to authenticate the user.=E2=80=9D Or something like that. =C2=A0 On a more general topic, for whatever reason, the PWG has typically provide= d drafts in MS Word and PDF formats. The =E2=80=98odt=E2=80=99 format is no= t compatible with , at least, my version of MS Word to the extent that open= ing it in MS Word produces a incorrectly displayed document subject to exte= nsive editorial comments. The Process states =E2=80=9C Internal working ver= sions of PWG documents should be available in an agreed upon, widely availa= ble word processing format, to provide for collaboration between document e= ditors and contributors. For example, Microsoft WORD and HTML are common=C2= =A0 revisable formats in use, today. =E2=80=9C For those not familiar with your= use of =C2=A0Open Office,=C2=A0 perhaps it would be better to include a no= te in your draft announcements that the .odt extension files should be view= ed with Apache Open Office, not MS Word. =C2=A0 Thanks, Bill Wagner =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 From:=C2=A0Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) Sent:=C2=A0Saturday, November 4, 2017 12:44 AM To:=C2=A0PWG IPP WG Reflector Subject:=C2=A0[IPP] Updated stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes= isnow available for review =C2=A0 Greetings, =C2=A0 An updated stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes is now available= for review: =C2=A0 https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103.pdf https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103.odt https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103-rev.pdf https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103-rev.odt =C2=A0 Changes are minor: * Fixed a broken bookmark cross reference in section 3.1 * Fixed a few instances of passive voice * Some other editorial fixes =C2=A0 Cheers, Smith =C2=A0 /** =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Smith Kennedy =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Wireless & Standards Architect - IPG-PPS =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi A= lliance / NFC Forum / USB-IF =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0HP Inc. */ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System=C2=A0Engineer --_2F6733A4-8AC1-4C03-9720-FBA573866643_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"

Looks good=E2=80=A6except I am tryin= g to remember why we weasleword and say that the response =E2=80=9Ccan=E2= =80=9D be filtered, whereas we use standard compliance terms elsewhere. I v= aguely recall this being discussed, but the implication is that a printer c= ould=C2=A0 respond without filtering. If that were the intent, I expect tha= t we would use =E2=80=98MAY=E2=80=99.

Thanks, Bill = Wagner

 

Fro= m: Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Arc= hitect)
Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 6:26 PM
To: = Michael Sweet
Cc: William A Wagner; PWG IPP WG Reflector
Subject: Re: [IPP] Updated s= table draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributesisnow available for review

 

How a= bout this for an update to section 4:

 

4  Get-User-Printer-Attributes Operation

Th= e Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation is semantically analogous to the Ge= t-Printer-Attributes operation [RFC8011] but the response can be filtered b= ased on the most authenticated user. The authenticated user (see section 9.= 3 of [RFC8011]) performing this operation MUST be either a User permitted t= o create Print Jobs or an Operator or Administrator of the Printer.  O= therwise, the Printer MUST reject the operation and return 'client-error-fo= rbidden', 'client-error-not-authenticated', or 'client-error-not-authorized= ' as appropriate.

 =

The Client MUST be prepared to ha= ndle an HTTP authentication challenge in response to a Get-User-Printer-Att= ributes operation request. If the Client initiates the Get-User-Printer-Att= ributes operation over a non-TLS connection, the Client MUST be prepared to= receive an HTTP 426 response to upgrade the connection to TLS [RFC2817]. S= ee [RFC8010] and [RFC8011] for authentication methods that require a secure= channel.

 

A Printer MUST support all the same opera= tion attributes for a Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation that it support= s with a Get-Printer-Attributes operation, including those used by a Client= to request a filtered response: =E2=80=9Cdocument-format=E2=80=9D [RFC8011= ]; =E2=80=9Cfirst-index=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]; =E2=80=9Climit=E2=80=9D [PWG= 5100.13]; and any of the attributes named by =E2=80=9Cprinter-get-attribute= s-supported=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13].

<= div>

 

 

Smith



<= o:p>

On Nov 6, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

 

Smith/Bill,

 =

Perhaps we can use something in section= 4 like the following:

&= nbsp;

Access Rights: The authenticated user (see se= ction 9.3 of [RFC8011]) performing this operation must be either a User per= mitted to create Print Jobs or an Operator or Administrator of the Printer.=  Otherwise, the Printer MUST reject the operation and return 'client-= error-forbidden', 'client-error-not-authenticated', or 'client-error-not-au= thorized' as appropriate.

 

That mi= rrors the wording from other operations defined in RFC 8011 and other place= s and makes it clear that the operation is provided for Users that want to = print.

 

<= /div>

Thoughts?

 

(As for t= he format debate, I always have used the PDF versions for review because Wo= rd does not preserve the layout of text - local fonts and margins for your = last used printer will mess things up every time...)

 



On Nov 6, 2017, at 4:08 PM, wamwagner@comcast.net wrote:

 

Hi Smith,

A few comments= :

  1. Although the standard co= mpliance terms are used, (MUST, SHOULD, etc.) Section 2 does not include th= e  standard reference defining these terms.
  2. Section 4 line 150 (in the n= on-redline pdf): =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6 Attributes operation [RFC8011] but can = be authenticated =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D suggests that the operation is authenti= cated, which I don=E2=80=99t think is a typical way of indicating that the = operation may prompt a sequence to authenticate the user. Prehaps rewording= to =E2=80=9C  =E2=80=A6 Attributes operation [RFC8011] except that th= e response can be filtered based on the most authenticated user and to effe= ct this, the operation can prompt a sequence to authenticate the user.=E2= =80=9D Or something like that.

 

On a more gener= al topic, for whatever reason, the PWG has typically provided drafts in MS = Word and PDF formats. The =E2=80=98odt=E2=80=99 format is not compatible wi= th , at least, my version of MS Word to the extent that opening it in MS Wo= rd produces a incorrectly displayed document subject to extensive editorial= comments. The Process states =E2=80=9C Internal working versions of PWG do= cuments should be available in an agreed upon, widely available word proces= sing format, to provide for collaboration between document editors and cont= ributors. For example, Microsoft WORD and HTML are common 

revisable formats in use, today. =E2=80=9C For those not fami= liar with your use of  Open Office,  perhaps it would be better t= o include a note in your draft announcements that the .odt extension files = should be viewed with Apache Open Office, not MS Word.

=

 

Thanks, Bil= l Wagner

 

 

<= /div>

 

From: Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect)
Sent: Saturday, Novemb= er 4, 2017 12:44 AM
To: PWG IPP= WG Reflector
Subject:=  [IPP] Updated stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attribu= tes isnow available for review

 

Greetings,

 

=

An updated stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attrib= utes is now available for review:

 

 

Changes are minor:

* Fixed a broken bookmark cross reference in section 3.1<= /o:p>

* Fixed a few instances of passive= voice

* Some other editorial= fixes

 

<= /div>

Cheers,

Smith

 

/**

    = Smith Kennedy

 &n= bsp;  Wireless & S= tandards Architect - IPG-PPS

=     Standard= s - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum / USB-IF

    Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group

    HP Inc.

*/

 

 

 

=  

____________________________________= ___________
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ipp@pwg.o= rg
https://www.= pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp

 

____________________= _____________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing Sys= tem Engineer

 

 

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boundary="Apple-Mail=_7BA11ED4-0300-43E6-83E3-DBF9165DB377"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_7BA11ED4-0300-43E6-83E3-DBF9165DB377 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D472EE47-1BE7-47FA-ACCC-2EBD3A87BB0E" --Apple-Mail=_D472EE47-1BE7-47FA-ACCC-2EBD3A87BB0E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Ah, good catch. I suggest we replace "can" with "shall" in that first = paragraph: 4 Get-User-Printer-Attributes Operation The Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation is semantically analogous to = the Get-Printer-Attributes operation [RFC8011] but the response MUST be = filtered based on the most authenticated user. The authenticated user = (see section 9.3 of [RFC8011]) performing this operation MUST be either = a User permitted to create Print Jobs or an Operator or Administrator of = the Printer. Otherwise, the Printer MUST reject the operation and = return 'client-error-forbidden', 'client-error-not-authenticated', or = 'client-error-not-authorized' as appropriate. The Client MUST be prepared to handle an HTTP authentication challenge = in response to a Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation request. If the = Client initiates the Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation over a = non-TLS connection, the Client MUST be prepared to receive an HTTP 426 = response to upgrade the connection to TLS [RFC2817]. See [RFC8010] and = [RFC8011] for authentication methods that require a secure channel. A Printer MUST support all the same operation attributes for a = Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation that it supports with a = Get-Printer-Attributes operation, including those a Client can use to = request a filtered response: =E2=80=9Cdocument-format=E2=80=9D = [RFC8011]; =E2=80=9Cfirst-index=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]; =E2=80=9Climit=E2=80= =9D [PWG5100.13]; and any of the attributes named by = =E2=80=9Cprinter-get-attributes-supported=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]. > On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:16 PM, wamwagner@comcast.net wrote: >=20 > Looks good=E2=80=A6except I am trying to remember why we weasleword = and say that the response =E2=80=9Ccan=E2=80=9D be filtered, whereas we = use standard compliance terms elsewhere. I vaguely recall this being = discussed, but the implication is that a printer could respond without = filtering. If that were the intent, I expect that we would use = =E2=80=98MAY=E2=80=99. > Thanks, Bill Wagner > =20 > From: Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) = > Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 6:26 PM > To: Michael Sweet > Cc: William A Wagner ; PWG IPP WG = Reflector > Subject: Re: [IPP] Updated stable draft of IPP = Get-User-Printer-Attributesisnow available for review > =20 > How about this for an update to section 4: > =20 > 4 Get-User-Printer-Attributes Operation > The Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation is semantically analogous to = the Get-Printer-Attributes operation [RFC8011] but the response can be = filtered based on the most authenticated user. The authenticated user = (see section 9.3 of [RFC8011]) performing this operation MUST be either = a User permitted to create Print Jobs or an Operator or Administrator of = the Printer. Otherwise, the Printer MUST reject the operation and = return 'client-error-forbidden', 'client-error-not-authenticated', or = 'client-error-not-authorized' as appropriate. > =20 > The Client MUST be prepared to handle an HTTP authentication challenge = in response to a Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation request. If the = Client initiates the Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation over a = non-TLS connection, the Client MUST be prepared to receive an HTTP 426 = response to upgrade the connection to TLS [RFC2817]. See [RFC8010] and = [RFC8011] for authentication methods that require a secure channel. > =20 > A Printer MUST support all the same operation attributes for a = Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation that it supports with a = Get-Printer-Attributes operation, including those used by a Client to = request a filtered response: =E2=80=9Cdocument-format=E2=80=9D = [RFC8011]; =E2=80=9Cfirst-index=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]; =E2=80=9Climit=E2=80= =9D [PWG5100.13]; and any of the attributes named by = =E2=80=9Cprinter-get-attributes-supported=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]. > =20 > =20 > Smith >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Nov 6, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Michael Sweet > wrote: > =20 > Smith/Bill, > =20 > Perhaps we can use something in section 4 like the following: > =20 > Access Rights: The authenticated user (see section 9.3 of [RFC8011]) = performing this operation must be either a User permitted to create = Print Jobs or an Operator or Administrator of the Printer. Otherwise, = the Printer MUST reject the operation and return = 'client-error-forbidden', 'client-error-not-authenticated', or = 'client-error-not-authorized' as appropriate. > =20 > That mirrors the wording from other operations defined in RFC 8011 and = other places and makes it clear that the operation is provided for Users = that want to print. > =20 > Thoughts? > =20 > (As for the format debate, I always have used the PDF versions for = review because Word does not preserve the layout of text - local fonts = and margins for your last used printer will mess things up every = time...) > =20 >=20 >=20 > On Nov 6, 2017, at 4:08 PM, wamwagner@comcast.net = wrote: > =20 > Hi Smith, > A few comments: > Although the standard compliance terms are used, (MUST, SHOULD, etc.) = Section 2 does not include the standard reference defining these terms. > Section 4 line 150 (in the non-redline pdf): =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6 = Attributes operation [RFC8011] but can be authenticated =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D= suggests that the operation is authenticated, which I don=E2=80=99t = think is a typical way of indicating that the operation may prompt a = sequence to authenticate the user. Prehaps rewording to =E2=80=9C =E2=80=A6= Attributes operation [RFC8011] except that the response can be filtered = based on the most authenticated user and to effect this, the operation = can prompt a sequence to authenticate the user.=E2=80=9D Or something = like that. > =20 > On a more general topic, for whatever reason, the PWG has typically = provided drafts in MS Word and PDF formats. The =E2=80=98odt=E2=80=99 = format is not compatible with , at least, my version of MS Word to the = extent that opening it in MS Word produces a incorrectly displayed = document subject to extensive editorial comments. The Process states =E2=80= =9C Internal working versions of PWG documents should be available in an = agreed upon, widely available word processing format, to provide for = collaboration between document editors and contributors. For example, = Microsoft WORD and HTML are common=20 > revisable formats in use, today. =E2=80=9C For those not familiar with = your use of Open Office, perhaps it would be better to include a note = in your draft announcements that the .odt extension files should be = viewed with Apache Open Office, not MS Word. > =20 > Thanks, Bill Wagner > =20 > =20 > =20 > From: Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) = > Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2017 12:44 AM > To: PWG IPP WG Reflector > Subject: [IPP] Updated stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes = isnow available for review > =20 > Greetings, > =20 > An updated stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes is now = available for review: > =20 > https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103.pdf = > https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103.odt = > https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103-rev.pdf = > https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103-rev.odt = > =20 > Changes are minor: > * Fixed a broken bookmark cross reference in section 3.1 > * Fixed a few instances of passive voice > * Some other editorial fixes > =20 > Cheers, > Smith > =20 > /** > Smith Kennedy > Wireless & Standards Architect - IPG-PPS > Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC = Forum / USB-IF > Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group > HP Inc. > */ > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp = > =20 > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer --Apple-Mail=_D472EE47-1BE7-47FA-ACCC-2EBD3A87BB0E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Ah, = good catch. I suggest we replace "can" with "shall" in that first = paragraph:


4 =  Get-User-Printer-Attributes Operation
The = Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation is semantically analogous to the = Get-Printer-Attributes operation [RFC8011] but the response MUST be = filtered based on the most authenticated user. The authenticated user = (see section 9.3 of [RFC8011]) performing this operation MUST be either = a User permitted to create Print Jobs or an Operator or Administrator of = the Printer.  Otherwise, the Printer MUST reject the operation and = return 'client-error-forbidden', 'client-error-not-authenticated', or = 'client-error-not-authorized' as appropriate.

The Client MUST be prepared to handle = an HTTP authentication challenge in response to a = Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation request. If the Client initiates = the Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation over a non-TLS connection, the = Client MUST be prepared to receive an HTTP 426 response to upgrade the = connection to TLS [RFC2817]. See [RFC8010] and [RFC8011] for = authentication methods that require a secure channel.

A Printer MUST support = all the same operation attributes for a Get-User-Printer-Attributes = operation that it supports with a Get-Printer-Attributes operation, = including those a Client can use to request a filtered response: = =E2=80=9Cdocument-format=E2=80=9D [RFC8011]; =E2=80=9Cfirst-index=E2=80=9D= [PWG5100.13]; =E2=80=9Climit=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]; and any of the = attributes named by =E2=80=9Cprinter-get-attributes-supported=E2=80=9D = [PWG5100.13].





On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:16 PM, wamwagner@comcast.net= wrote:

Looks good=E2=80=A6except I am trying to remember why we = weasleword and say that the response =E2=80=9Ccan=E2=80=9D be filtered, = whereas we use standard compliance terms elsewhere. I vaguely recall = this being discussed, but the implication is that a printer could  = respond without filtering. If that were the intent, I expect that we = would use =E2=80=98MAY=E2=80=99.
Thanks, Bill Wagner
 
From: Kennedy, Smith (Wireless = Architect)
Sent: Monday, November 6, = 2017 6:26 PM
To: Michael Sweet
Cc: William A Wagner; PWG IPP WG Reflector
Subject: Re: [IPP] Updated = stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributesisnow available for = review
 
How about = this for an update to section 4:
 
4  Get-User-Printer-Attributes = Operation
The Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation is semantically = analogous to the Get-Printer-Attributes operation [RFC8011] but the = response can be filtered based on the most authenticated user. The = authenticated user (see section 9.3 of [RFC8011]) performing this = operation MUST be either a User permitted to create Print Jobs or an = Operator or Administrator of the Printer.  Otherwise, the Printer = MUST reject the operation and return 'client-error-forbidden', = 'client-error-not-authenticated', or 'client-error-not-authorized' as = appropriate.
 
The Client MUST be prepared to handle an HTTP authentication = challenge in response to a Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation = request. If the Client initiates the Get-User-Printer-Attributes = operation over a non-TLS connection, the Client MUST be prepared to = receive an HTTP 426 response to upgrade the connection to TLS [RFC2817]. = See [RFC8010] and [RFC8011] for authentication methods that require a = secure channel.
 
A Printer MUST support all the same operation attributes for = a Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation that it supports with a = Get-Printer-Attributes operation, including those used by a Client to = request a filtered response: =E2=80=9Cdocument-format=E2=80=9D = [RFC8011]; =E2=80=9Cfirst-index=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]; =E2=80=9Climit=E2=80= =9D [PWG5100.13]; and any of the attributes named by = =E2=80=9Cprinter-get-attributes-supported=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13].
 
 

Smith



On Nov 6, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> = wrote:
 
Smith/Bill,
 
Perhaps we can use something in section = 4 like the following:
 
Access Rights: The authenticated user (see section 9.3 of = [RFC8011]) performing this operation must be either a User permitted to = create Print Jobs or an Operator or Administrator of the Printer. =  Otherwise, the Printer MUST reject the operation and return = 'client-error-forbidden', 'client-error-not-authenticated', or = 'client-error-not-authorized' as appropriate.
 
That mirrors the wording from other operations defined in RFC = 8011 and other places and makes it clear that the operation is provided = for Users that want to print.
 
Thoughts?
 
(As for the format debate, I always have used the PDF = versions for review because Word does not preserve the layout of text - = local fonts and margins for your last used printer will mess things up = every time...)
 


On Nov 6, 2017, at 4:08 PM, wamwagner@comcast.net wrote:
 
Hi Smith,
A few comments:
  1. Although the = standard compliance terms are used, (MUST, SHOULD, etc.) Section 2 does = not include the  standard reference defining these terms.
  2. Section 4 = line 150 (in the non-redline pdf): =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6 Attributes = operation [RFC8011] but can be authenticated =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D suggests = that the operation is authenticated, which I don=E2=80=99t think is a = typical way of indicating that the operation may prompt a sequence to = authenticate the user. Prehaps rewording to =E2=80=9C  =E2=80=A6 = Attributes operation [RFC8011] except that the response can be filtered = based on the most authenticated user and to effect this, the operation = can prompt a sequence to authenticate the user.=E2=80=9D Or something = like that.
 
On a more general topic, for whatever = reason, the PWG has typically provided drafts in MS Word and PDF = formats. The =E2=80=98odt=E2=80=99 format is not compatible with , at = least, my version of MS Word to the extent that opening it in MS Word = produces a incorrectly displayed document subject to extensive editorial = comments. The Process states =E2=80=9C Internal working versions of PWG = documents should be available in an agreed upon, widely available word = processing format, to provide for collaboration between document editors = and contributors. For example, Microsoft WORD and HTML are common 
revisable formats in use, today. =E2=80=9C= For those not familiar with your use of  Open Office,  = perhaps it would be better to include a note in your draft announcements = that the .odt extension files should be viewed with Apache Open Office, = not MS Word.
 
Thanks, Bill Wagner
 
 
 
From: Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect)
Sent: Saturday, November 4, = 2017 12:44 AM
To: PWG IPP WG Reflector
Subject: [IPP] Updated stable = draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes isnow available for review
 
Greetings,
 
An updated stable draft of IPP = Get-User-Printer-Attributes is now available for review:
 
https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103.pdf<= o:p class=3D"">
Changes are minor:
Cheers,
 
    Smith Kennedy
    Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / = Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum / USB-IF
    HP Inc.
 
 
 
_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing = System Engineer

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2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0291555188430558378==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============0291555188430558378== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_fl2N57BbzFcafTXP4DooQw)" --Boundary_(ID_fl2N57BbzFcafTXP4DooQw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Smith, I don't see how we can validate conformance for this MUST, particularly = when the default (open) policy will return the same attributes and = values as Get-Printer-Attributes. I suggest we simply declare the = intended behavior: "... the response is filtered based on the most authenticated user." > On Nov 6, 2017, at 11:56 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) = wrote: >=20 > Ah, good catch. I suggest we replace "can" with "shall" in that first = paragraph: >=20 > 4 Get-User-Printer-Attributes Operation > The Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation is semantically analogous to = the Get-Printer-Attributes operation [RFC8011] but the response MUST be = filtered based on the most authenticated user. The authenticated user = (see section 9.3 of [RFC8011]) performing this operation MUST be either = a User permitted to create Print Jobs or an Operator or Administrator of = the Printer. Otherwise, the Printer MUST reject the operation and = return 'client-error-forbidden', 'client-error-not-authenticated', or = 'client-error-not-authorized' as appropriate. >=20 > The Client MUST be prepared to handle an HTTP authentication challenge = in response to a Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation request. If the = Client initiates the Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation over a = non-TLS connection, the Client MUST be prepared to receive an HTTP 426 = response to upgrade the connection to TLS [RFC2817]. See [RFC8010] and = [RFC8011] for authentication methods that require a secure channel. >=20 > A Printer MUST support all the same operation attributes for a = Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation that it supports with a = Get-Printer-Attributes operation, including those a Client can use to = request a filtered response: =E2=80=9Cdocument-format=E2=80=9D = [RFC8011]; =E2=80=9Cfirst-index=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]; =E2=80=9Climit=E2=80= =9D [PWG5100.13]; and any of the attributes named by = =E2=80=9Cprinter-get-attributes-supported=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:16 PM, wamwagner@comcast.net = wrote: >>=20 >> Looks good=E2=80=A6except I am trying to remember why we weasleword = and say that the response =E2=80=9Ccan=E2=80=9D be filtered, whereas we = use standard compliance terms elsewhere. I vaguely recall this being = discussed, but the implication is that a printer could respond without = filtering. If that were the intent, I expect that we would use = =E2=80=98MAY=E2=80=99. >> Thanks, Bill Wagner >> =20 >> From: Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) = >> Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 6:26 PM >> To: Michael Sweet >> Cc: William A Wagner ; PWG IPP WG = Reflector >> Subject: Re: [IPP] Updated stable draft of IPP = Get-User-Printer-Attributesisnow available for review >> =20 >> How about this for an update to section 4: >> =20 >> 4 Get-User-Printer-Attributes Operation >> The Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation is semantically analogous = to the Get-Printer-Attributes operation [RFC8011] but the response can = be filtered based on the most authenticated user. The authenticated user = (see section 9.3 of [RFC8011]) performing this operation MUST be either = a User permitted to create Print Jobs or an Operator or Administrator of = the Printer. Otherwise, the Printer MUST reject the operation and = return 'client-error-forbidden', 'client-error-not-authenticated', or = 'client-error-not-authorized' as appropriate. >> =20 >> The Client MUST be prepared to handle an HTTP authentication = challenge in response to a Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation = request. If the Client initiates the Get-User-Printer-Attributes = operation over a non-TLS connection, the Client MUST be prepared to = receive an HTTP 426 response to upgrade the connection to TLS [RFC2817]. = See [RFC8010] and [RFC8011] for authentication methods that require a = secure channel. >> =20 >> A Printer MUST support all the same operation attributes for a = Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation that it supports with a = Get-Printer-Attributes operation, including those used by a Client to = request a filtered response: =E2=80=9Cdocument-format=E2=80=9D = [RFC8011]; =E2=80=9Cfirst-index=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]; =E2=80=9Climit=E2=80= =9D [PWG5100.13]; and any of the attributes named by = =E2=80=9Cprinter-get-attributes-supported=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]. >> =20 >> =20 >> Smith >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Nov 6, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Michael Sweet > wrote: >> =20 >> Smith/Bill, >> =20 >> Perhaps we can use something in section 4 like the following: >> =20 >> Access Rights: The authenticated user (see section 9.3 of [RFC8011]) = performing this operation must be either a User permitted to create = Print Jobs or an Operator or Administrator of the Printer. Otherwise, = the Printer MUST reject the operation and return = 'client-error-forbidden', 'client-error-not-authenticated', or = 'client-error-not-authorized' as appropriate. >> =20 >> That mirrors the wording from other operations defined in RFC 8011 = and other places and makes it clear that the operation is provided for = Users that want to print. >> =20 >> Thoughts? >> =20 >> (As for the format debate, I always have used the PDF versions for = review because Word does not preserve the layout of text - local fonts = and margins for your last used printer will mess things up every = time...) >> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Nov 6, 2017, at 4:08 PM, wamwagner@comcast.net = wrote: >> =20 >> Hi Smith, >> A few comments: >> Although the standard compliance terms are used, (MUST, SHOULD, etc.) = Section 2 does not include the standard reference defining these terms. >> Section 4 line 150 (in the non-redline pdf): =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6 = Attributes operation [RFC8011] but can be authenticated =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D= suggests that the operation is authenticated, which I don=E2=80=99t = think is a typical way of indicating that the operation may prompt a = sequence to authenticate the user. Prehaps rewording to =E2=80=9C =E2=80=A6= Attributes operation [RFC8011] except that the response can be filtered = based on the most authenticated user and to effect this, the operation = can prompt a sequence to authenticate the user.=E2=80=9D Or something = like that. >> =20 >> On a more general topic, for whatever reason, the PWG has typically = provided drafts in MS Word and PDF formats. The =E2=80=98odt=E2=80=99 = format is not compatible with , at least, my version of MS Word to the = extent that opening it in MS Word produces a incorrectly displayed = document subject to extensive editorial comments. The Process states =E2=80= =9C Internal working versions of PWG documents should be available in an = agreed upon, widely available word processing format, to provide for = collaboration between document editors and contributors. For example, = Microsoft WORD and HTML are common=20 >> revisable formats in use, today. =E2=80=9C For those not familiar = with your use of Open Office, perhaps it would be better to include a = note in your draft announcements that the .odt extension files should be = viewed with Apache Open Office, not MS Word. >> =20 >> Thanks, Bill Wagner >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> From: Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) = >> Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2017 12:44 AM >> To: PWG IPP WG Reflector >> Subject: [IPP] Updated stable draft of IPP = Get-User-Printer-Attributes isnow available for review >> =20 >> Greetings, >> =20 >> An updated stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes is now = available for review: >> =20 >> https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103.pdf = >> https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103.odt = >> https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103-rev.pdf = >> https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103-rev.odt = >> =20 >> Changes are minor: >> * Fixed a broken bookmark cross reference in section 3.1 >> * Fixed a few instances of passive voice >> * Some other editorial fixes >> =20 >> Cheers, >> Smith >> =20 >> /** >> Smith Kennedy >> Wireless & Standards Architect - IPG-PPS >> Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC = Forum / USB-IF >> Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group >> HP Inc. >> */ >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp = >> =20 >> _________________________________________________________ >> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer >=20 _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer --Boundary_(ID_fl2N57BbzFcafTXP4DooQw) Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Smith,

I = don't see how we can validate conformance for this MUST, particularly = when the default (open) policy will return the same attributes and = values as Get-Printer-Attributes.  I suggest we simply declare the = intended behavior:

    "... the response is filtered based on the most = authenticated user."


On Nov 6, 2017, at 11:56 PM, = Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:

Ah, good catch. I = suggest we replace "can" with "shall" in that first paragraph:

4  Get-User-Printer-Attributes = Operation
The Get-User-Printer-Attributes = operation is semantically analogous to the Get-Printer-Attributes = operation [RFC8011] but the response MUST be filtered based on the most = authenticated user. The authenticated user (see section 9.3 of = [RFC8011]) performing this operation MUST be either a User permitted to = create Print Jobs or an Operator or Administrator of the Printer. =  Otherwise, the Printer MUST reject the operation and return = 'client-error-forbidden', 'client-error-not-authenticated', or = 'client-error-not-authorized' as appropriate.

The Client MUST be prepared to handle = an HTTP authentication challenge in response to a = Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation request. If the Client initiates = the Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation over a non-TLS connection, the = Client MUST be prepared to receive an HTTP 426 response to upgrade the = connection to TLS [RFC2817]. See [RFC8010] and [RFC8011] for = authentication methods that require a secure channel.

A Printer MUST support = all the same operation attributes for a Get-User-Printer-Attributes = operation that it supports with a Get-Printer-Attributes operation, = including those a Client can use to request a filtered response: = =E2=80=9Cdocument-format=E2=80=9D [RFC8011]; =E2=80=9Cfirst-index=E2=80=9D= [PWG5100.13]; =E2=80=9Climit=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]; and any of the = attributes named by =E2=80=9Cprinter-get-attributes-supported=E2=80=9D = [PWG5100.13].





On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:16 PM, wamwagner@comcast.net= wrote:

Looks good=E2=80=A6except I am trying to remember why we = weasleword and say that the response =E2=80=9Ccan=E2=80=9D be filtered, = whereas we use standard compliance terms elsewhere. I vaguely recall = this being discussed, but the implication is that a printer could  = respond without filtering. If that were the intent, I expect that we = would use =E2=80=98MAY=E2=80=99.
Thanks, Bill Wagner
 
From: Kennedy, Smith (Wireless = Architect)
Sent: Monday, November 6, = 2017 6:26 PM
To: Michael Sweet
Cc: William A Wagner; PWG IPP WG Reflector
Subject: Re: [IPP] Updated = stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributesisnow available for = review
 
How about = this for an update to section 4:
 
4  Get-User-Printer-Attributes = Operation
The Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation is semantically = analogous to the Get-Printer-Attributes operation [RFC8011] but the = response can be filtered based on the most authenticated user. The = authenticated user (see section 9.3 of [RFC8011]) performing this = operation MUST be either a User permitted to create Print Jobs or an = Operator or Administrator of the Printer.  Otherwise, the Printer = MUST reject the operation and return 'client-error-forbidden', = 'client-error-not-authenticated', or 'client-error-not-authorized' as = appropriate.
 
The Client MUST be prepared to handle an HTTP authentication = challenge in response to a Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation = request. If the Client initiates the Get-User-Printer-Attributes = operation over a non-TLS connection, the Client MUST be prepared to = receive an HTTP 426 response to upgrade the connection to TLS [RFC2817]. = See [RFC8010] and [RFC8011] for authentication methods that require a = secure channel.
 
A Printer MUST support all the same operation attributes for = a Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation that it supports with a = Get-Printer-Attributes operation, including those used by a Client to = request a filtered response: =E2=80=9Cdocument-format=E2=80=9D = [RFC8011]; =E2=80=9Cfirst-index=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]; =E2=80=9Climit=E2=80= =9D [PWG5100.13]; and any of the attributes named by = =E2=80=9Cprinter-get-attributes-supported=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13].
 
 

Smith



On Nov 6, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> = wrote:
 
Smith/Bill,
 
Perhaps we can use something in section = 4 like the following:
 
Access Rights: The authenticated user (see section 9.3 of = [RFC8011]) performing this operation must be either a User permitted to = create Print Jobs or an Operator or Administrator of the Printer. =  Otherwise, the Printer MUST reject the operation and return = 'client-error-forbidden', 'client-error-not-authenticated', or = 'client-error-not-authorized' as appropriate.
 
That mirrors the wording from other operations defined in RFC = 8011 and other places and makes it clear that the operation is provided = for Users that want to print.
 
Thoughts?
 
(As for the format debate, I always have used the PDF = versions for review because Word does not preserve the layout of text - = local fonts and margins for your last used printer will mess things up = every time...)
 


On Nov 6, 2017, at 4:08 PM, wamwagner@comcast.net wrote:
 
Hi Smith,
A few comments:
  1. Although the = standard compliance terms are used, (MUST, SHOULD, etc.) Section 2 does = not include the  standard reference defining these terms.
  2. Section 4 = line 150 (in the non-redline pdf): =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6 Attributes = operation [RFC8011] but can be authenticated =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D suggests = that the operation is authenticated, which I don=E2=80=99t think is a = typical way of indicating that the operation may prompt a sequence to = authenticate the user. Prehaps rewording to =E2=80=9C  =E2=80=A6 = Attributes operation [RFC8011] except that the response can be filtered = based on the most authenticated user and to effect this, the operation = can prompt a sequence to authenticate the user.=E2=80=9D Or something = like that.
 
On a more general topic, for whatever = reason, the PWG has typically provided drafts in MS Word and PDF = formats. The =E2=80=98odt=E2=80=99 format is not compatible with , at = least, my version of MS Word to the extent that opening it in MS Word = produces a incorrectly displayed document subject to extensive editorial = comments. The Process states =E2=80=9C Internal working versions of PWG = documents should be available in an agreed upon, widely available word = processing format, to provide for collaboration between document editors = and contributors. For example, Microsoft WORD and HTML are common 
revisable formats in use, today. =E2=80=9C= For those not familiar with your use of  Open Office,  = perhaps it would be better to include a note in your draft announcements = that the .odt extension files should be viewed with Apache Open Office, = not MS Word.
 
Thanks, Bill Wagner
 
 
 
From: Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect)
Sent: Saturday, November 4, = 2017 12:44 AM
To: PWG IPP WG Reflector
Subject: [IPP] Updated stable = draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes isnow available for review
 
Greetings,
 
An updated stable draft of IPP = Get-User-Printer-Attributes is now available for review:
 
https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103.pdf<= o:p class=3D"">
Changes are minor:
Cheers,
 
    Smith Kennedy
    Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / = Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum / USB-IF
    HP Inc.
 
 
 
_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing = System Engineer


_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing = System Engineer

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Make it declarative ("is") rather than normative. If filtering wasn't performed, then this new operation would be useless. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: > Smith, > > I don't see how we can validate conformance for this MUST, particularly > when the default (open) policy will return the same attributes and values > as Get-Printer-Attributes. I suggest we simply declare the intended > behavior: > > "... the response is filtered based on the most authenticated user." > > > On Nov 6, 2017, at 11:56 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) < > smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote: > > Ah, good catch. I suggest we replace "can" with "shall" in that first > paragraph: > > *4 Get-User-Printer-Attributes Operation* > The Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation is semantically analogous to th= e > Get-Printer-Attributes operation [RFC8011] but the response MUST be > filtered based on the most authenticated user. The authenticated user (se= e > section 9.3 of [RFC8011]) performing this operation MUST be either a User > permitted to create Print Jobs or an Operator or Administrator of the > Printer. Otherwise, the Printer MUST reject the operation and return > 'client-error-forbidden', 'client-error-not-authenticated', or > 'client-error-not-authorized' as appropriate. > > The Client MUST be prepared to handle an HTTP authentication challenge in > response to a Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation request. If the Clien= t > initiates the Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation over a non-TLS > connection, the Client MUST be prepared to receive an HTTP 426 response t= o > upgrade the connection to TLS [RFC2817]. See [RFC8010] and [RFC8011] for > authentication methods that require a secure channel. > > A Printer MUST support all the same operation attributes for a > Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation that it supports with a > Get-Printer-Attributes operation, including those a Client can use to > request a filtered response: =E2=80=9Cdocument-format=E2=80=9D [RFC8011];= =E2=80=9Cfirst-index=E2=80=9D > [PWG5100.13]; =E2=80=9Climit=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]; and any of the attrib= utes named by > =E2=80=9Cprinter-get-attributes-supported=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]. > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:16 PM, wamwagner@comcast.net wrote: > > Looks good=E2=80=A6except I am trying to remember why we weasleword and s= ay that > the response =E2=80=9Ccan=E2=80=9D be filtered, whereas we use standard c= ompliance terms > elsewhere. I vaguely recall this being discussed, but the implication is > that a printer could respond without filtering. If that were the intent,= I > expect that we would use =E2=80=98MAY=E2=80=99. > Thanks, Bill Wagner > > *From: *Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) > *Sent: *Monday, November 6, 2017 6:26 PM > *To: *Michael Sweet > *Cc: *William A Wagner ; PWG IPP WG Reflector > > *Subject: *Re: [IPP] Updated stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attribu= tesisnow > available for review > > How about this for an update to section 4: > > > *4 Get-User-Printer-Attributes Operation* > The Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation is semantically analogous to th= e > Get-Printer-Attributes operation [RFC8011] but the response can be filter= ed > based on the most authenticated user. The authenticated user (see section > 9.3 of [RFC8011]) performing this operation MUST be either a User permitt= ed > to create Print Jobs or an Operator or Administrator of the Printer. > Otherwise, the Printer MUST reject the operation and return > 'client-error-forbidden', 'client-error-not-authenticated', or > 'client-error-not-authorized' as appropriate. > > The Client MUST be prepared to handle an HTTP authentication challenge in > response to a Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation request. If the Clien= t > initiates the Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation over a non-TLS > connection, the Client MUST be prepared to receive an HTTP 426 response t= o > upgrade the connection to TLS [RFC2817]. See [RFC8010] and [RFC8011] for > authentication methods that require a secure channel. > > A Printer MUST support all the same operation attributes for a > Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation that it supports with a > Get-Printer-Attributes operation, including those used by a Client to > request a filtered response: =E2=80=9Cdocument-format=E2=80=9D [RFC8011];= =E2=80=9Cfirst-index=E2=80=9D > [PWG5100.13]; =E2=80=9Climit=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]; and any of the attrib= utes named by > =E2=80=9Cprinter-get-attributes-supported=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]. > > > > > Smith > > > > On Nov 6, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > > Smith/Bill, > > Perhaps we can use something in section 4 like the following: > > > Access Rights: The authenticated user (see section 9.3 of [RFC8011]) > performing this operation must be either a User permitted to create Print > Jobs or an Operator or Administrator of the Printer. Otherwise, the > Printer MUST reject the operation and return 'client-error-forbidden', > 'client-error-not-authenticated', or 'client-error-not-authorized' as > appropriate. > > > That mirrors the wording from other operations defined in RFC 8011 and > other places and makes it clear that the operation is provided for Users > that want to print. > > Thoughts? > > (As for the format debate, I always have used the PDF versions for review > because Word does not preserve the layout of text - local fonts and margi= ns > for your last used printer will mess things up every time...) > > > > On Nov 6, 2017, at 4:08 PM, wamwagner@comcast.net wrote: > > Hi Smith, > A few comments: > > 1. Although the standard compliance terms are used, (MUST, SHOULD, > etc.) Section 2 does not include the standard reference defining thes= e > terms. > 2. Section 4 line 150 (in the non-redline pdf): =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6 Att= ributes > operation [RFC8011] but can be authenticated =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D sugges= ts that the operation > is authenticated, which I don=E2=80=99t think is a typical way of indi= cating that > the operation may prompt a sequence to authenticate the user. Prehaps > rewording to =E2=80=9C =E2=80=A6 Attributes operation [RFC8011] excep= t that the response > can be filtered based on the most authenticated user and to effect thi= s, > the operation can prompt a sequence to authenticate the user.=E2=80=9D= Or something > like that. > > > On a more general topic, for whatever reason, the PWG has typically > provided drafts in MS Word and PDF formats. The =E2=80=98odt=E2=80=99 for= mat is not > compatible with , at least, my version of MS Word to the extent that > opening it in MS Word produces a incorrectly displayed document subject t= o > extensive editorial comments. The Process states =E2=80=9C Internal worki= ng > versions of PWG documents should be available in an agreed upon, widely > available word processing format, to provide for collaboration between > document editors and contributors. For example, Microsoft WORD and HTML a= re > common > revisable formats in use, today. =E2=80=9C For those not familiar with yo= ur use of > Open Office, perhaps it would be better to include a note in your draft > announcements that the .odt extension files should be viewed with Apache > Open Office, not MS Word. > > Thanks, Bill Wagner > > > > *From: *Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) > *Sent: *Saturday, November 4, 2017 12:44 AM > *To: *PWG IPP WG Reflector > *Subject: *[IPP] Updated stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes > isnow available for review > > Greetings, > > An updated stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes is now > available for review: > > https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103.pdf > https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103.odt > https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103-rev.pdf > https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103-rev.odt > > Changes are minor: > * Fixed a broken bookmark cross reference in section 3.1 > * Fixed a few instances of passive voice > * Some other editorial fixes > > Cheers, > Smith > > /** > Smith Kennedy > Wireless & Standards Architect - IPG-PPS > Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC > Forum / USB-IF > Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group > HP Inc. > */ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer > > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > --001a113b908e8c7c5e055d67159e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

+1 to Mike's comment.=C2=A0= Make it declarative ("is") rather than normative.
If f= iltering wasn't performed, then this new operation would be useless.

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted M= obility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secret= ary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet = Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
B= lue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://si= tes.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http:/= /sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Jan-Apr= il: 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094
May-D= ec: PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434


On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Michael Swe= et <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
Smith,
I don't see how we can validate conformance for this = MUST, particularly when the default (open) policy will return the same attr= ibutes and values as Get-Printer-Attributes.=C2=A0 I suggest we simply decl= are the intended behavior:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "...= the response is filtered based on the most authenticated user."
=


On Nov 6, 2017, at 11:56 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Ar= chitect) <smit= h.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:

Ah, good catch. I suggest we replace "can" wit= h "shall" in that first paragraph:

4 =C2=A0Get-User-Printer-Att= ributes Operation
The Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation i= s semantically analogous to the Get-Printer-Attributes operation [RFC8011] = but the response MUST be filtered based on the most authenticated user. The= authenticated user (see section 9.3 of [RFC8011]) performing this operatio= n MUST be either a User permitted to create Print Jobs or an Operator or Ad= ministrator of the Printer.=C2=A0 Otherwise, the Printer MUST reject the op= eration and return 'client-error-forbidden', 'client-error-not-= authenticated', or 'client-error-not-authorized' as approp= riate.

The Client MUST be prepared to handle an HT= TP authentication challenge in response to a Get-User-Printer-Attributes op= eration request. If the Client initiates the Get-User-Printer-Attributes op= eration over a non-TLS connection, the Client MUST be prepared to receive a= n HTTP 426 response to upgrade the connection to TLS [RFC2817]. See [RFC801= 0] and [RFC8011] for authentication methods that require a secure channel.<= /div>

A Printer MUST support all the same operation attr= ibutes for a Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation that it supports with a = Get-Printer-Attributes operation, including those a Client can use to reque= st a filtered response: =E2=80=9Cdocument-format=E2=80=9D [RFC8011]; =E2=80= =9Cfirst-index=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]; =E2=80=9Climit=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13];= and any of the attributes named by =E2=80=9Cprinter-get-attributes-su= pported=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13].





On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:16 PM, wamwagner@comcast.net wrote:

Looks good= =E2=80=A6except I am trying to remember why we weasleword and say that the = response =E2=80=9Ccan=E2=80=9D be filtered, whereas we use standard complia= nce terms elsewhere. I vaguely recall this being discussed, but the implica= tion is that a printer could=C2=A0 respond without filtering. If that were = the intent, I expect that we would use =E2=80=98MAY=E2=80=99.
=C2=A0
From= :=C2=A0<= /b>Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Archit= ect)
Sent:=C2=A0Monday, November 6, 2017 6:26 PM
To:=C2=A0Michael Sweet
Cc:=C2=A0William A Wagner;=C2=A0PWG IPP WG Reflector
Subject:=C2=A0Re: [IPP] Updated stable draft o= f IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributesisnow available for review
=C2=A0
How about this for an update= to section 4:
=C2=A0
=
4 =C2=A0Get-User-Printer-Attribu= tes Operation
The Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation is = semantically analogous to the Get-Printer-Attributes operation [RFC8011] bu= t the response can be filtered based on the most authenticated user. The au= thenticated user (see section 9.3 of [RFC8011]) performing this operation M= UST be either a User permitted to create Print Jobs or an Operator or Admin= istrator of the Printer.=C2=A0 Otherwise, the Printer MUST reject the opera= tion and return 'client-error-forbidden', 'client-error-not-authenticated', or 'client-error-not-authorized' as appropria= te.
=C2=A0
The Client MUST be prepared to handle an HTTP authenticatio= n challenge in response to a Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation request.= If the Client initiates the Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation over a n= on-TLS connection, the Client MUST be prepared to receive an HTTP 426 respo= nse to upgrade the connection to TLS [RFC2817]. See [RFC8010] and [RFC8011]= for authentication methods that require a secure channel.
=C2=A0
A Pr= inter MUST support all the same operation attributes for a Get-User-Printer= -Attributes operation that it supports with a Get-Printer-Attributes operat= ion, including those used by a Client to request a filtered response: =E2= =80=9Cdocument-format=E2=80=9D [RFC8011]; =E2=80=9Cfirst-index=E2=80=9D [PW= G5100.13]; =E2=80=9Climit=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]; and any of the attributes = named by =E2=80=9Cprinter-get-attributes-supported=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.1= 3].
=C2= =A0
=C2=A0

Smith


On Nov 6, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
=C2=A0
Smith/Bill,<= u>
=C2=A0
Perhaps we can use something in section 4 like the following:<= u>
=C2=A0
Access Rights:= The authenticated user (see section 9.3 of [RFC8011]) performing this oper= ation must be either a User permitted to create Print Jobs or an Operator o= r Administrator of the Printer.=C2=A0 Otherwise, the Printer MUST reject th= e operation and return 'client-error-forbidden', 'client-error-= not-authenticated', or 'client-error-not-authorized' as ap= propriate.
=C2=A0
That mirrors the wording from othe= r operations defined in RFC 8011 and other places and makes it clear that t= he operation is provided for Users that want to print.
<= /div>
=C2=A0
Thoughts= ?
=C2=A0
<= div>
(As for the format debate, I always have used the PDF version= s for review because Word does not preserve the layout of text - local font= s and margins for your last used printer will mess things up every time...)=
=C2=A0


On Nov 6, 2017, at 4:08 PM,=C2=A0wamwagner@comcast.net=C2=A0wrote:
=C2=A0
Hi Sm= ith,
A few comments:<= /div>
  1. Although the standard compliance terms = are used, (MUST, SHOULD, etc.) Section 2 does not include the=C2=A0 standar= d reference defining these terms.
  2. Section 4 line 150 (in the non-redline pdf): =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6 Attri= butes operation [RFC8011] but can be authenticated =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D sugge= sts that the operation is authenticated, which I don=E2=80=99t think is a t= ypical way of indicating that the operation may prompt a sequence to authen= ticate the user. Prehaps rewording to =E2=80=9C=C2=A0 =E2=80=A6 Attributes = operation [RFC8011] except that the response can be filtered based on the m= ost authenticated user and to effect this, the operation can prompt a seque= nce to authenticate the user.=E2=80=9D Or something like that.
=C2=A0
On a more general topic, for whatever reason, the PWG has typically prov= ided drafts in MS Word and PDF formats. The =E2=80=98odt=E2=80=99 format is= not compatible with , at least, my version of MS Word to the extent that o= pening it in MS Word produces a incorrectly displayed document subject to e= xtensive editorial comments. The Process states =E2=80=9C Internal working = versions of PWG documents should be available in an agreed upon, widely ava= ilable word processing format, to provide for collaboration between documen= t editors and contributors. For example, Microsoft WORD and HTML are common= =C2=A0
revisable formats in use,= today. =E2=80=9C For those not familiar with your use of =C2=A0Open Office= ,=C2=A0 perhaps it would be better to include a note in your draft announce= ments that the .odt extension files should be viewed with Apache Open Offic= e, not MS Word.
=C2=A0
Thanks, Bill Wagner
= =C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Change= s are minor:
* Fixed a broken bookm= ark cross reference in section 3.1
= * Fixed a few instances of passive voice
* Some other editorial fixes
= =C2=A0
Cheers,
<= /div>
Smith
=C2=A0=
/**
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Smith Kennedy
=C2=A0Wireless & Standards Architect - IPG-PPS
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Blu= etooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum / USB-IF
<= div>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0HP Inc.
*/
=C2=A0=
=C2=A0
=
=C2=A0
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https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp
=C2=A0
_______________________________= __________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System=C2=A0En= gineer
<= /div>


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boundary="===============0208013649246302977==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============0208013649246302977== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_19475F46-37F3-410B-8F1D-D9DA8700E9C0"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_19475F46-37F3-410B-8F1D-D9DA8700E9C0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A55F7E7A-2A75-4DFC-A50F-19CB77DB6933" --Apple-Mail=_A55F7E7A-2A75-4DFC-A50F-19CB77DB6933 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Sounds good. I'll make that change. I plan on posting a new draft later = today for both Presets and GUPA to include the absent section 2 = subsections. Smith > On Nov 7, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Ira McDonald = wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > +1 to Mike's comment. Make it declarative ("is") rather than = normative. > If filtering wasn't performed, then this new operation would be = useless. >=20 > Cheers, > - Ira >=20 >=20 > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic = > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc = > mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 > May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Michael Sweet > wrote: > Smith, >=20 > I don't see how we can validate conformance for this MUST, = particularly when the default (open) policy will return the same = attributes and values as Get-Printer-Attributes. I suggest we simply = declare the intended behavior: >=20 > "... the response is filtered based on the most authenticated = user." >=20 >=20 >> On Nov 6, 2017, at 11:56 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) = > wrote: >>=20 >> Ah, good catch. I suggest we replace "can" with "shall" in that first = paragraph: >>=20 >> 4 Get-User-Printer-Attributes Operation >> The Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation is semantically analogous = to the Get-Printer-Attributes operation [RFC8011] but the response MUST = be filtered based on the most authenticated user. The authenticated user = (see section 9.3 of [RFC8011]) performing this operation MUST be either = a User permitted to create Print Jobs or an Operator or Administrator of = the Printer. Otherwise, the Printer MUST reject the operation and = return 'client-error-forbidden', 'client-error-not-authenticated', or = 'client-error-not-authorized' as appropriate. >>=20 >> The Client MUST be prepared to handle an HTTP authentication = challenge in response to a Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation = request. If the Client initiates the Get-User-Printer-Attributes = operation over a non-TLS connection, the Client MUST be prepared to = receive an HTTP 426 response to upgrade the connection to TLS [RFC2817]. = See [RFC8010] and [RFC8011] for authentication methods that require a = secure channel. >>=20 >> A Printer MUST support all the same operation attributes for a = Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation that it supports with a = Get-Printer-Attributes operation, including those a Client can use to = request a filtered response: =E2=80=9Cdocument-format=E2=80=9D = [RFC8011]; =E2=80=9Cfirst-index=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]; =E2=80=9Climit=E2=80= =9D [PWG5100.13]; and any of the attributes named by = =E2=80=9Cprinter-get-attributes-supported=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:16 PM, wamwagner@comcast.net = wrote: >>>=20 >>> Looks good=E2=80=A6except I am trying to remember why we weasleword = and say that the response =E2=80=9Ccan=E2=80=9D be filtered, whereas we = use standard compliance terms elsewhere. I vaguely recall this being = discussed, but the implication is that a printer could respond without = filtering. If that were the intent, I expect that we would use = =E2=80=98MAY=E2=80=99. >>> Thanks, Bill Wagner >>> =20 >>> From: Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) = >>> Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 6:26 PM >>> To: Michael Sweet >>> Cc: William A Wagner ; PWG IPP WG = Reflector >>> Subject: Re: [IPP] Updated stable draft of IPP = Get-User-Printer-Attributesisnow available for review >>> =20 >>> How about this for an update to section 4: >>> =20 >>> 4 Get-User-Printer-Attributes Operation >>> The Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation is semantically analogous = to the Get-Printer-Attributes operation [RFC8011] but the response can = be filtered based on the most authenticated user. The authenticated user = (see section 9.3 of [RFC8011]) performing this operation MUST be either = a User permitted to create Print Jobs or an Operator or Administrator of = the Printer. Otherwise, the Printer MUST reject the operation and = return 'client-error-forbidden', 'client-error-not-authenticated', or = 'client-error-not-authorized' as appropriate. >>> =20 >>> The Client MUST be prepared to handle an HTTP authentication = challenge in response to a Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation = request. If the Client initiates the Get-User-Printer-Attributes = operation over a non-TLS connection, the Client MUST be prepared to = receive an HTTP 426 response to upgrade the connection to TLS [RFC2817]. = See [RFC8010] and [RFC8011] for authentication methods that require a = secure channel. >>> =20 >>> A Printer MUST support all the same operation attributes for a = Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation that it supports with a = Get-Printer-Attributes operation, including those used by a Client to = request a filtered response: =E2=80=9Cdocument-format=E2=80=9D = [RFC8011]; =E2=80=9Cfirst-index=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]; =E2=80=9Climit=E2=80= =9D [PWG5100.13]; and any of the attributes named by = =E2=80=9Cprinter-get-attributes-supported=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]. >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> Smith >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Michael Sweet > wrote: >>> =20 >>> Smith/Bill, >>> =20 >>> Perhaps we can use something in section 4 like the following: >>> =20 >>> Access Rights: The authenticated user (see section 9.3 of [RFC8011]) = performing this operation must be either a User permitted to create = Print Jobs or an Operator or Administrator of the Printer. Otherwise, = the Printer MUST reject the operation and return = 'client-error-forbidden', 'client-error-not-authenticated', or = 'client-error-not-authorized' as appropriate. >>> =20 >>> That mirrors the wording from other operations defined in RFC 8011 = and other places and makes it clear that the operation is provided for = Users that want to print. >>> =20 >>> Thoughts? >>> =20 >>> (As for the format debate, I always have used the PDF versions for = review because Word does not preserve the layout of text - local fonts = and margins for your last used printer will mess things up every = time...) >>> =20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 4:08 PM, wamwagner@comcast.net = wrote: >>> =20 >>> Hi Smith, >>> A few comments: >>> Although the standard compliance terms are used, (MUST, SHOULD, = etc.) Section 2 does not include the standard reference defining these = terms. >>> Section 4 line 150 (in the non-redline pdf): =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6 = Attributes operation [RFC8011] but can be authenticated =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D= suggests that the operation is authenticated, which I don=E2=80=99t = think is a typical way of indicating that the operation may prompt a = sequence to authenticate the user. Prehaps rewording to =E2=80=9C =E2=80=A6= Attributes operation [RFC8011] except that the response can be filtered = based on the most authenticated user and to effect this, the operation = can prompt a sequence to authenticate the user.=E2=80=9D Or something = like that. >>> =20 >>> On a more general topic, for whatever reason, the PWG has typically = provided drafts in MS Word and PDF formats. The =E2=80=98odt=E2=80=99 = format is not compatible with , at least, my version of MS Word to the = extent that opening it in MS Word produces a incorrectly displayed = document subject to extensive editorial comments. The Process states =E2=80= =9C Internal working versions of PWG documents should be available in an = agreed upon, widely available word processing format, to provide for = collaboration between document editors and contributors. For example, = Microsoft WORD and HTML are common=20 >>> revisable formats in use, today. =E2=80=9C For those not familiar = with your use of Open Office, perhaps it would be better to include a = note in your draft announcements that the .odt extension files should be = viewed with Apache Open Office, not MS Word. >>> =20 >>> Thanks, Bill Wagner >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> From: Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) = >>> Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2017 12:44 AM >>> To: PWG IPP WG Reflector >>> Subject: [IPP] Updated stable draft of IPP = Get-User-Printer-Attributes isnow available for review >>> =20 >>> Greetings, >>> =20 >>> An updated stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes is now = available for review: >>> =20 >>> https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103.pdf = >>> https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103.odt = >>> https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103-rev.pdf = >>> https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103-rev.odt = >>> =20 >>> Changes are minor: >>> * Fixed a broken bookmark cross reference in section 3.1 >>> * Fixed a few instances of passive voice >>> * Some other editorial fixes >>> =20 >>> Cheers, >>> Smith >>> =20 >>> /** >>> Smith Kennedy >>> Wireless & Standards Architect - IPG-PPS >>> Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC = Forum / USB-IF >>> Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group >>> HP Inc. >>> */ >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ipp mailing list >>> ipp@pwg.org >>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp = >>> =20 >>> _________________________________________________________ >>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer >>=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp = >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_A55F7E7A-2A75-4DFC-A50F-19CB77DB6933 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Sounds good. I'll make that change. I plan on posting a new = draft later today for both Presets and GUPA to include the absent = section 2 subsections.

Smith



On Nov 7, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

+1 to Mike's = comment.  Make it declarative ("is") rather than = normative.
If filtering wasn't performed, then this = new operation would be useless.

Cheers,
- = Ira


Ira = McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG = Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation = Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working = Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol = WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  = 734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI = 49839  906-494-2434


On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 10:21 = AM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
Smith,

I = don't see how we can validate conformance for this MUST, particularly = when the default (open) policy will return the same attributes and = values as Get-Printer-Attributes.  I suggest we simply declare the = intended behavior:

    "... the response is filtered based on the most = authenticated user."


On Nov 6, 2017, at 11:56 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless = Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:

Ah,= good catch. I suggest we replace "can" with "shall" in that first = paragraph:

4 =  Get-User-Printer-Attributes Operation
The = Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation is semantically analogous to the = Get-Printer-Attributes operation [RFC8011] but the response MUST be = filtered based on the most authenticated user. The authenticated user = (see section 9.3 of [RFC8011]) performing this operation MUST be either = a User permitted to create Print Jobs or an Operator or Administrator of = the Printer.  Otherwise, the Printer MUST reject the operation and = return 'client-error-forbidden', 'client-error-not-authenticated', or 'client-error-not-authorized' as = appropriate.

The= Client MUST be prepared to handle an HTTP authentication challenge in = response to a Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation request. If the = Client initiates the Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation over a = non-TLS connection, the Client MUST be prepared to receive an HTTP 426 = response to upgrade the connection to TLS [RFC2817]. See [RFC8010] and = [RFC8011] for authentication methods that require a secure = channel.

A = Printer MUST support all the same operation attributes for a = Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation that it supports with a = Get-Printer-Attributes operation, including those a Client can use to = request a filtered response: =E2=80=9Cdocument-format=E2=80=9D = [RFC8011]; =E2=80=9Cfirst-index=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]; =E2=80=9Climit=E2=80= =9D [PWG5100.13]; and any of the attributes named by = =E2=80=9Cprinter-get-attributes-supported=E2=80=9D = [PWG5100.13].





On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:16 PM, wamwagner@comcast.net wrote:

Looks = good=E2=80=A6except I am trying to remember why we weasleword and say = that the response =E2=80=9Ccan=E2=80=9D be filtered, whereas we use = standard compliance terms elsewhere. I vaguely recall this being = discussed, but the implication is that a printer could  respond = without filtering. If that were the intent, I expect that we would use = =E2=80=98MAY=E2=80=99.
Thanks,= Bill Wagner
 
From: Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect)
Sent: Mon= day, November 6, 2017 6:26 PM
To: Michael Sweet
Cc: William A Wagner; PWG IPP WG Reflector
Subject: Re:= [IPP] Updated stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributesisnow available for review
 
How= about this for an update to section 4:
 
4 =  Get-User-Printer-Attributes Operation
The Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation is semantically = analogous to the Get-Printer-Attributes operation [RFC8011] but the = response can be filtered based on the most authenticated user. The = authenticated user (see section 9.3 of [RFC8011]) performing this = operation MUST be either a User permitted to create Print Jobs or an = Operator or Administrator of the Printer.  Otherwise, the Printer = MUST reject the operation and return 'client-error-forbidden', = 'client-error-not-authenticated', or = 'client-error-not-authorized' as appropriate.
 
The = Client MUST be prepared to handle an HTTP authentication challenge in = response to a Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation request. If the = Client initiates the Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation over a = non-TLS connection, the Client MUST be prepared to receive an HTTP 426 = response to upgrade the connection to TLS [RFC2817]. See [RFC8010] and = [RFC8011] for authentication methods that require a secure channel.
 
A = Printer MUST support all the same operation attributes for a = Get-User-Printer-Attributes operation that it supports with a = Get-Printer-Attributes operation, including those used by a Client to = request a filtered response: =E2=80=9Cdocument-format=E2=80=9D = [RFC8011]; =E2=80=9Cfirst-index=E2=80=9D [PWG5100.13]; =E2=80=9Climit=E2=80= =9D [PWG5100.13]; and any of the attributes named by = =E2=80=9Cprinter-get-attributes-supported=E2=80=9D = [PWG5100.13].
 
 

Smith



On = Nov 6, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
 
Smith/Bill,
 
Perhaps= we can use something in section 4 like the following:
 
Access = Rights: The authenticated user (see section 9.3 of [RFC8011]) performing = this operation must be either a User permitted to create Print Jobs or = an Operator or Administrator of the Printer.  Otherwise, the = Printer MUST reject the operation and return 'client-error-forbidden', = 'client-error-not-authenticated', or = 'client-error-not-authorized' as appropriate.
 
That = mirrors the wording from other operations defined in RFC 8011 and other = places and makes it clear that the operation is provided for Users that = want to print.
 
Thoughts?
 
(As = for the format debate, I always have used the PDF versions for review = because Word does not preserve the layout of text - local fonts and = margins for your last used printer will mess things up every time...)
 


On = Nov 6, 2017, at 4:08 PM, wamwagner@comcast.net wrote:
 
Hi = Smith,
A few = comments:
  1. Although the = standard compliance terms are used, (MUST, SHOULD, etc.) Section 2 does = not include the  standard reference defining these terms.
  2. Section 4 line = 150 (in the non-redline pdf): =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6 Attributes operation = [RFC8011] but can be authenticated =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D suggests that the = operation is authenticated, which I don=E2=80=99t think is a typical way = of indicating that the operation may prompt a sequence to authenticate = the user. Prehaps rewording to =E2=80=9C  =E2=80=A6 Attributes = operation [RFC8011] except that the response can be filtered based on = the most authenticated user and to effect this, the operation can prompt = a sequence to authenticate the user.=E2=80=9D Or something like that.
 
On a = more general topic, for whatever reason, the PWG has typically provided = drafts in MS Word and PDF formats. The =E2=80=98odt=E2=80=99 format is = not compatible with , at least, my version of MS Word to the extent that = opening it in MS Word produces a incorrectly displayed document subject = to extensive editorial comments. The Process states =E2=80=9C Internal = working versions of PWG documents should be available in an agreed upon, = widely available word processing format, to provide for collaboration = between document editors and contributors. For example, Microsoft WORD = and HTML are common 
revisable formats in use, today. =E2=80=9C For those not = familiar with your use of  Open Office,  perhaps it would be = better to include a note in your draft announcements that the .odt = extension files should be viewed with Apache Open Office, not MS Word.
 
Thanks,= Bill Wagner
 
 
 
From: Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect)
Sent: Sat= urday, November 4, 2017 12:44 AM
To: PWG IPP WG Reflector
Subject: [IP= P] Updated stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes isnow = available for review
 
Greetings,
 
An = updated stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes is now available = for review:
 
https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103.pdf
https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103.odt
https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103-rev.pdf
https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171103-rev.odt
 
Changes= are minor:
* = Fixed a broken bookmark cross reference in section 3.1
* = Fixed a few instances of passive voice
* = Some other editorial fixes
 
Cheers,
Smith
 
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quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Following feedback, a new stable draft of IPP Presets (PRESET) has been = posted. It is here: https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipppreset-20171108.pdf https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipppreset-20171108.odt https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipppreset-20171108-rev.pdf https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipppreset-20171108-rev.odt Changes since the last draft include the following: * Added missing sub-sections =E2=80=9CConformance Terminology=E2=80=9D = and =E2=80=9CPrinting Terminology=E2=80=9D to section 2. I am once again hopeful that this draft is suitable for WG last call = and/or review at next week's vF2F. But if there are any showstopper = portions you wish to comment on, please don't hesitate to reply with = feedback. 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Received: by 10.140.42.180 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 08:41:34 -0800 (PST) From: Ira McDonald Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 11:41:34 -0500 Message-ID: To: "ipp@pwg.org" , Ira McDonald Subject: [IPP] IPP WG Agenda 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern (9 November 2017) X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5882705509409389951==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============5882705509409389951== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113e828e5e302c055d8f7be1" --001a113e828e5e302c055d8f7be1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, [with apologies for belated agenda] Our next IPP WG call will be Thursday 9 November 2017 at 12:00-1:30pm US Pacific / 3:00pm-4:30pm US Eastern NOTE: Please USE the *new* WebEx and Audio Bridge below ------------------------------------------------------- Meeting information ------------------------------------------------------- Topic: IPP WG Every 2 weeks on Thursday, from Thursday, May 11, 2017, to no end date 3:00 pm | Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00) | 1 hr 30 mins ------------------------------------------------------- WebEx online meeting (join first, before audio bridge) ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Go to https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?MTID=m0359478143 ca01e059a570ada91f3573 2. If requested, enter your name and email address. 3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: Printing123 4. Click "Join". ------------------------------------------------------- Audio Bridge (join second w/ unique access code from WebEx) ------------------------------------------------------- Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): +1 866 469-3239 <%28866%29%20469-3239> Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 650 429-3300 <%28650%29%20429-3300> Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 408 856-9570 <%28408%29%20856-9570> Global toll-free call in numbers and other audio options ("Call Me Back" or VoIP) are listed once you join the WebEx meeting. Unique attendee access code: Displayed in the WebEx meeting Agenda: (1) PWG IP Policy, Minute Taker, Roll Call, and Agenda Review - Mike as minute taker? (2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meetings - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20171026.pdf -- IPP WG call on 10/26/17 (3) Status of AMSC and ISO liaisons w/ PWG (Paul) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20170928.htm - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20171012.htm -- see PWG SC minutes 09/28/17, 10/12/17 -- Pat Picariello sent signed ASTM/PWG liaison on 11/01/17 (4) Review of IPP Registration requests (Mike) - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019392.html -- "print-color-mode" value 'auto-monochrome' (5) Status of Get-User-Printer-Attributes (Smith) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171108-rev.pdf -- IPP WG adopted for registration track -- Schedule - TBD (6) Status of IPP Presets (Smith) - https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipppreset-20171108-rev.pdf -- IPP WG adopted for registration track -- Schedule - TBD (7) Status of IPP HTTP Authentication whitepaper (Smith) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ippauth-20170803.pdf -- PWG F2F review on 08/10/17 -- Schedule - TBD (8) Status of "job-password" and "job-save-disposition" (Smith) - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019238.html -- discussed at IPP WG on 06/29/17 and mailing list through 08/17/17 -- Schedule - awaiting further input from Smith, Mike, Ira (9) Review of IPP System Service (Ira/Mike) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20170910-rev.pdf -- Prototype draft - PWG F2F review on 08/09/17 - completed -- Schedule - prototype in "ippserver" - Stable draft in Q4 2017 (10) Next steps - IPP sessions at PWG F2F on Wed/Thu 15-16 November 2017 -- regular topics - IPP WG call on Thu 23 November 2017 - CANCELED -- due to US holiday - IPP WG call on Thu 7 December 2017 at 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern -- regular topics Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 --001a113e828e5e302c055d8f7be1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

[with apologie= s for belated agenda]

Our next IPP WG = call will be Thursday 9 November 2017 at
12:00-1:30pm US Pacific / 3:00p= m-4:30pm US Eastern

= NOTE: Please USE the *new* WebEx and Audio Bridge below

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Topic: IPP WG
Every 2 weeks on Thursday, from= Thursday, May 11, 2017, to no end date
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1. Go to h= ttps://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?MTID=3Dm0359478143ca01= e059a570ada91f3573
2. If requested, enter your name and email addres= s.
3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: Printing123=
4. Click "Join".

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Ca= ll-in toll-free number (US/Canada): +1 866 469-3239
Call-in toll = number (US/Canada): +1 650 429-3300
Call-in toll number (US/Canad= a): +1 408 856-9570

Global toll-free call in numbers and other audio options ("Call= Me Back" or VoIP) are listed once you join the WebEx meeting.

= Unique attendee access code:=C2=A0 Displayed in the WebEx meeting
Agenda:
(1) PWG IP Policy, Minute Taker, Roll Cal= l, and Agenda Review
- Mike as minute taker?
<= /div>

(2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meetings- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv= 2-concall-minutes-20171026.pdf
-- IPP WG call on 10/26/1= 7

(3) Status of AMSC and ISO liaisons w/ PWG (= Paul)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call= -minutes-20171012.htm
-- see PWG SC minutes 09/28/17, 10/12/17<= br>
-- Pat Picariello sent signed ASTM/PWG liaison on 11/01/17

(4) Review of IPP Registration requests (Mi= ke)
-- "print-color-mode" value 'auto-monochrome'

(5) Status of Get-User-Printer-Attributes (Smith)- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171108-r= ev.pdf
-- IPP WG adopted for registration tra= ck
-- Schedule - TBD

(6) Status of IPP Presets= (Smith)
- https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp= preset-20171108-rev.pdf
-- IPP WG= adopted for registration track
-- Schedule - TBD
(7) Status of IPP HTTP Authentication whitepa= per (Smith)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ippauth-20170803.pdf
-= - PWG F2F review on 08/10/17
-- Schedule - TBD

(8) St= atus of "job-password" and "job-save-disposition" (Smit= h)
- http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019238.html
-- discussed at IPP WG on 06/29/17 and mailing list through= 08/17/17
-- Schedule - awaiting further input from Smith, Mike, I= ra

(9) Review of IPP System Servic= e (Ira/Mike)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp<= /span>/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20170910-rev.pdf
-- Prototype dra= ft - PWG F2F review on 08/09/17 - completed
-- Schedule - prototype in &= quot;ippserver" - Stable draft in Q4 2017

(10) Next steps

- IPP sessions at PWG F2F on = Wed/Thu 15-16 November 2017
-- regular topics
=

- IPP WG call on Thu 23 November 2017 = - CANCELED
-- due to US holiday

- IPP WG call on Thu 7 December 2017 at 3:00-4:30pm = US Eastern
-- regular topics


Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
= Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Op= en Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair -= IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IP= P & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gm= ail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0= 734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906= -494-2434

--001a113e828e5e302c055d8f7be1-- --===============5882705509409389951== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --===============5882705509409389951==-- From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Thu Nov 9 12:35:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB9A129B62 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 12:35:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I6rVMw5YTw5k for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 12:35:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.pwg.org (www.pwg.org [50.116.7.199]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E761E129B61 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 12:35:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by www.pwg.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 5B1F7CDCD; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 20:35:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.pwg.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD9D2669; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 20:35:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: by www.pwg.org (Postfix, from userid 48) id 7B5732669; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 20:35:41 +0000 (UTC) To: ipp@pwg.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 1000:db-issue.php From: smith.kennedy@hp.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 20:35:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [IPP] [PWG5100.19] Issue #66: Add discussion of responsible power management behavior X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: webmaster@pwg.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" [Issue Unconfirmed] Querying all discovered printers via IPP presented in a discovery dialog can negatively impact the power used by printers found in the discovery. Section 4.1 / 4.2 should be updated to discourage doing this. Link: http://www.pwg.org/issues/66 _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Thu Nov 9 13:29:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84C21294CF for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 13:29:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.789 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.789 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (2048-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=apple.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3JPHinFj_TDQ for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" All, I have posted the minutes for today's IPP WG concall to: http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20171109.pdf Our next meeting is on December 15, 2017 at 10:30am MT for the F2F. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Fri Nov 10 09:53:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B82612EC88 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2017 09:53:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.789 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.789 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Fri, 10 Nov 2017 09:53:31 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: 11973e15-27dff700000051f9-de-5a05e79b9d50 Received: from nwk-mmpp-sz12.apple.com (nwk-mmpp-sz12.apple.com [17.128.115.204]) by relay4.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 8F.32.21277.B97E50A5; Fri, 10 Nov 2017 09:53:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [17.235.39.95] by nwk-mmpp-sz12.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.1.3.20170825 64bit (built Aug 25 2017)) with ESMTPSA id <0OZ700JJUR15UD40@nwk-mmpp-sz12.apple.com>; Fri, 10 Nov 2017 09:53:31 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Sweet In-reply-to: Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2017 12:53:28 -0500 Message-id: <0A8A1355-8D18-4B8D-873B-7F2352C92E27@apple.com> References: To: "Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.4.7) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFrrCLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi2FAYrjv7OWuUQcd2LYtj+16yWLzq2sXs wOSxa9tOJo95i6czBTBFcdmkpOZklqUW6dslcGVce7CDsWC1V8Wc81OZGxiv23cxcnJICJhI 3Nzax9LFyMUhJLCaSeLunEZmmMSWxxuYIRKHGCXuXVnOCJLgFRCU+DH5HguIzSwQJrH+1F+o 7i+MEo/nTWYDSQgLSEgc71/ICmEHSyz4/RpsKpuAmsTvSX1gcU4BK4nXjeeYQGwWAVWJlVN6 2SGGqkm8uj6NBWKZjUTrmp9g9UIClhJXLzwEs0UEHCSeL/nEAnGposSG6+vALpUQmMMmsWPZ L5YJjEKzkBw7C8mxELaWxPdHrUA2B5AtL3HwvCxEWFPi2b1P7BC2tsSTdxdYFzCyrWIUyk3M zNHNzDPTSywoyEnVS87P3cQIiobpdqI7GM+ssjrEKMDBqMTD6/GAJUqINbGsuDL3EKM0B4uS OG/qK4YoIYH0xJLU7NTUgtSi+KLSnNTiQ4xMHJxSDYzzbq0uEQlO/R+r2PCldIIUe3GBgvXp 4HvCE+bmMt4t/prm7b79mF7e7eNN7rJnW/Ye3+6af+vG+bp9E0+0T/G98IpVKE9zZ8v6+mcS wvYCZy6ul13Ic8/wiOjRxIsya9cvrnq+bXFHUcH+lzbaJ3JWeZgZCt/f3RzvH9R78XpmV9aG WRt/qHUqsRRnJBpqMRcVJwIA4Q2pp2cCAAA= X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFjrOLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi2FB8Rnf2c9Yog+971CyO7XvJYvGqaxez A5PHrm07mTzmLZ7OFMAUxWWTkpqTWZZapG+XwJVx7cEOxoLVXhVzzk9lbmC8bt/FyMkhIWAi seXxBuYuRi4OIYFDjBL3rixnBEnwCghK/Jh8jwXEZhYIk1h/6i8LRNEXRonH8yazgSSEBSQk jvcvZIWwgyUW/H7NDGKzCahJ/J7UBxbnFLCSeN14jgnEZhFQlVg5pZcdYqiaxKvr01ggltlI tK75CVYvJGApcfXCQzBbRMBB4vmSTywQlypKbLi+jnkCI/8sJPfNQnIfhK0l8f1RK5DNAWTL Sxw8LwsR1pR4du8TO4StLfHk3QXWBYxsqxgFilJzEitN9BILCnJS9ZLzczcxgoO3MHwH479l VocYBTgYlXh4PR6wRAmxJpYVV+YCA4mDWUmEN3Aea5QQb0piZVVqUX58UWlOavEhRmkOFiVx 3o4MhighgfTEktTs1NSC1CKYLBMHp1QDo6/HmvX2upxWlZFffxjsMH588obk9IMmxcL7Pabv eZSrfo5LaR9fbKWm48PVQW1/l3Bf3F2W/5dPKP1YVfVp8ZayQ5bXNlWfytVPr1pelnLb7RTT Co3YRaXaTFM+B76+ebl720bviwyhHikKOyKdIjl+7P/W1O7Py7livZ/3g+d9D6ff9zswQ4ml OCPRUIu5qDgRAKsncCRaAgAA Cc: PWG IPP WG Reflector Subject: Re: [IPP] Assistance in correcting the "OAuth2" diagram in IPP Authentication? X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6389285889228714308==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============6389285889228714308== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_lz+97NihYdMm1WYo8w3C8Q)" --Boundary_(ID_lz+97NihYdMm1WYo8w3C8Q) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Smith, OK, so to "help" I think we need to separate things because OAuth2 has three distinct steps: 1. Web-based authentication/authorization - a web browser has to be used, out-of-band from IPP, to obtain a "grant" from the Authorization Server. The grant is supplied via a URL redirect that is primarily geared towards web services (point to a HTTPS web page on service X) but can also use application-specific URL schemes ("myspecialapp://bla/?code=fsdlfkjasdfdsfsd0324df "), which is how you implement OAuth2 for so-called "native apps". 2. Once you have the grant, you can request an "access token" (and optionally a "refresh token", which is essentially a grant you can use at a later time to keep using the resource) from the authorization server using a HTTP POST (no web browser needed). 3. Once you have the access token, you can supply it in response to the HTTP 401 status code with a "WWW-Authenticate: Bearer" header. Only step 1 requires a web browser. Only step 3 is in-band of IPP. The token you get in steps 1 and 2 can potentially be reused indefinitely. When you get a 401 with and error parameter in the WWW-Authenticate header, it is time to either a) refresh the access token or b) repeat steps 1 and 2 to re-authenticate. The list of RFCs is extensive (https://oauth.net/2/ ) but the important ones for IPP are: - RFC 6749: The OAuth 2.0 Authorization Framework (doing out-of-band authentication and getting access tokens) - RFC 6750: OAuth 2.0 Bearer Token Usage (doing in-band authentication) - RFC 7636: Proof Key for Code Exchange (doing out-of-band authentication more securely with native Client applications) - RFC 8252: Recommendations for using OAuth 2.0 with native apps (doing out-of-band authentication on a Client - for implementors) The following Internet Draft will (hopefully) define how an input constrained device like a printer can authenticate as a client (important for IPP INFRA proxies). > On Oct 25, 2017, at 3:59 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > One of my action items to move the IPP Authentication white paper forward was to solicit help from you in correcting the OAuth2 diagram(s). Could you take a look at the attached PlantUML sequence diagram files and make corrections you feel are needed? The versions from the latest white paper (from August) are attached - there are two of them. You can edit it in any text editor, then render it using the PlantUML tool: > > http://plantuml.com/download > > Thanks in advance! > > Smith > > /** > Smith Kennedy > Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS > Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum / USB IF > Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group > HP Inc. > */ > > > _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer --Boundary_(ID_lz+97NihYdMm1WYo8w3C8Q) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Smith,

OK, = so to "help" I think we need to separate things because OAuth2 has three = distinct steps:

1. Web-based authentication/authorization - a web browser has = to be used, out-of-band from IPP, to obtain a "grant" from the = Authorization Server.  The grant is supplied via a URL redirect = that is primarily geared towards web services (point to a HTTPS web page = on service X) but can also use application-specific URL schemes ("myspecialapp://bla/?code=3Dfsdlfkjasdfdsfsd0324df"), = which is how you implement OAuth2 for so-called "native apps".

2. Once you have the = grant, you can request an "access token" (and optionally a "refresh = token", which is essentially a grant you can use at a later time to keep = using the resource) from the authorization server using a HTTP POST (no = web browser needed).

3. Once you have the access token, you can supply it in = response to the HTTP 401 status code with a "WWW-Authenticate: Bearer" = header.

Only = step 1 requires a web browser.

Only step 3 is in-band = of IPP.

The token you get in steps 1 and 2 can potentially be reused = indefinitely.  When you get a 401 with and error parameter in the = WWW-Authenticate header, it is time to either a) refresh the access = token or b) repeat steps 1 and 2 to re-authenticate.

The list of RFCs is = extensive (https://oauth.net/2/) but the important ones for IPP = are:

- RFC = 6749: The OAuth 2.0 Authorization Framework (doing out-of-band = authentication and getting access tokens)
- RFC = 6750: OAuth 2.0 Bearer Token Usage (doing in-band = authentication)
- RFC 7636: Proof Key for Code = Exchange (doing out-of-band authentication more securely with native = Client applications)
- RFC 8252: Recommendations = for using OAuth 2.0 with native apps (doing out-of-band authentication = on a Client - for implementors)

The following Internet Draft will = (hopefully) define how an input constrained device like a printer can = authenticate as a client (important for IPP INFRA proxies).


On Oct = 25, 2017, at 3:59 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:

Hi = Mike,

One of my action items to move the = IPP Authentication white paper forward was to solicit help from you in = correcting the OAuth2 diagram(s). Could you take a look at the attached = PlantUML sequence diagram files and make corrections you feel are = needed? The versions from the latest white paper (from August) are = attached - there are two of them. You can edit it in any text editor, = then render it using the PlantUML tool:

http://plantuml.com/download

Thanks in advance!

Smith

/**
   Smith = Kennedy
   Wireless Architect - Client = Software - IPG-PPS
   Standards - IEEE = ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum / USB IF
   Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group
   HP Inc.
*/


<= ipp-authentication-6-http-oauth2.pu><= ipp-authentication-8-http-oauth2-with-digest.pu>

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing = System Engineer

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Mon, 13 Nov 2017 15:43:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.43.133 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 15:42:47 -0800 (PST) From: Ira McDonald Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:42:47 -0500 Message-ID: To: "ipp@pwg.org" , Ira McDonald Subject: [IPP] Posted PROTOTYPE draft of IPP System Service (13 November 2017) X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4672031894663602728==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============4672031894663602728== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114f0ce81ef26a055de5d56a" --001a114f0ce81ef26a055de5d56a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have just posted the third PROTOTYPE draft of IPP System Service for review during PWG Virtual F2F and IPP WG calls: http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20171113-rev.pdf - PDF with line numbers and redlines http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20171113-rev.docx - MS Word source with line numbers and redlines Cheers, - Ira ------------------------------- Change History: 13 November 2017 - Prototype draft =E2=80=93 changes per IPP WG review on 9 November 2017 - global =E2=80=93 accepted all changes from previous draft - global =E2=80=93 added comments to all Create-Xxx operations to possibly = move to section 6.4 System Operations - revised section 2.4 Abbreviations to add =E2=80=9CDPA=E2=80=9D with link - revised section 5.4 System Operations to capitalize Systems, add DPA reference [ISO10175-3], and correct typos - revised section 6 IPP Operations to delete =E2=80=9Cof the originating Op= erator or Administrator=E2=80=9D - revised section 6.1.6 Get-Printer-Resources to insert missing =E2=80=9Cth= e=E2=80=9D in =E2=80=9Creturn =E2=80=9Cresource-id=E2=80=9D for each=E2=80=9D - revised section 6.1.6.1 Get-Printer-Resources Request to change =E2=80=9Csystem-uri=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9Cprinter-uri=E2=80=9D - revised section 6.2.3 Get-Resources to insert missing =E2=80=9Cthe=E2=80= =9D in =E2=80=9Creturn =E2=80=9Cresource-id=E2=80=9D for each=E2=80=9D - revised section 6.4 System Operations to insert missing leading quote before printer-message-from-operator=E2=80=9D - revised section 8.1 Cancel-Subscription, Get-Notifications, and Renew-Subscription and section 8.3 Create-Job, Get-Job-Attributes to add comments about minimal extension format for existing operations - revised section 8.2 Get-Printer-Attributes to change =E2=80=98successful-= ok=E2=80=99 to =E2=80=98client-error-not-found and add comment about minimal extension for= mat for existing operations --001a114f0ce81ef26a055de5d56a Content-Type: text/html; 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Hi,

I hav= e just posted the third PROTO= TYPE draft of IPP = Syste= m
Service for review during PWG Virtual F2F and IPP WG calls:

=C2=A0 http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsyste= m10-20171113-rev.pdf
=C2=A0 - PDF with line numbers and redlines
=C2=A0
=C2=A0 http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20171113-rev.d= ocx
=C2=A0 - MS Word source with line numbers and redlines

Cheers,
- Ira

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Change History:

13 November 2017

- Prototy= pe draft =E2=80=93 changes per IPP WG review on 9 November 2017
- global= =E2=80=93 accepted all changes from previous draft
- global =E2=80=93 a= dded comments to all Create-Xxx operations to possibly move to section 6.4 = System Operations
- revised section 2.4 Abbreviations to add =E2=80=9CDP= A=E2=80=9D with link
- revised section 5.4 System Operations to capitali= ze Systems, add DPA reference [ISO10175-3], and correct typos
- revised = section 6 IPP Operations to delete =E2=80=9Cof the originating Operator or = Administrator=E2=80=9D
- revised section 6.1.6 Get-Printer-Resources to = insert missing =E2=80=9Cthe=E2=80=9D in =E2=80=9Creturn =E2=80=9Cresource-i= d=E2=80=9D for each=E2=80=9D
- revised section 6.1.6.1 Get-Printer-Resou= rces Request to change =E2=80=9Csystem-uri=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9Cprinter-uri= =E2=80=9D
- revised section 6.2.3 Get-Resources to insert missing =E2=80= =9Cthe=E2=80=9D in =E2=80=9Creturn =E2=80=9Cresource-id=E2=80=9D for each= =E2=80=9D
- revised section 6.4 System Operations to insert missing lead= ing quote before printer-message-from-operator=E2=80=9D
- revised sectio= n 8.1 Cancel-Subscription, Get-Notifications, and Renew-Subscription and se= ction 8.3 Create-Job, Get-Job-Attributes to add comments about minimal exte= nsion format for existing operations
- revised section 8.2 Get-Printer-A= ttributes to change =E2=80=98successful-ok=E2=80=99 to =E2=80=98client-erro= r-not-found and add comment about minimal extension format for existing ope= rations

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X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7863453617061690206==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============7863453617061690206== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8879A41E-C64E-490E-99C9-EE6FEBB895FF"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_8879A41E-C64E-490E-99C9-EE6FEBB895FF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E91B2C40-0FEF-45E1-B446-CDDAAFCFBBEE" --Apple-Mail=_E91B2C40-0FEF-45E1-B446-CDDAAFCFBBEE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Mike, I'm not sure how to incorporate your feedback into the current OAuth2 = sequence diagram. I will list some of my questions here, but we may need = to save discussion till the F2F session. > 1. Web-based authentication/authorization - a web browser has to be = used, out-of-band from IPP, to obtain a "grant" from the Authorization = Server. Could that not be implemented such that the client provides its own "web = view" able to render web content as per the current OAuth2 sequence = diagram? Also, if IPP is performed before Step 1, then is the "Step 0" a IPP = Get-Printer-Attributes or Validate-Job IPP operation? > The grant is supplied via a URL redirect that is primarily geared = towards web services (point to a HTTPS web page on service X) but can = also use application-specific URL schemes = ("myspecialapp://bla/?code=3Dfsdlfkjasdfdsfsd0324df"), which is how you = implement OAuth2 for so-called "native apps". OK so the HTTP response will be an HTTP 302 or similar, where the URL = could be an https scheme, or could be some other scheme? What about the = "ipp" scheme? Or maybe that is too premature / inappro. But the token = comes in as basically a parameter in the URL in the 30x redirect = response? >=20 > 2. Once you have the grant, you can request an "access token" (and = optionally a "refresh token", which is essentially a grant you can use = at a later time to keep using the resource) from the authorization = server using a HTTP POST (no web browser needed). So the "grant" is basically an "access token access token" that allows = the Client to request an "access token"? >=20 > 3. Once you have the access token, you can supply it in response to = the HTTP 401 status code with a "WWW-Authenticate: Bearer" header. And it is up to the Client to manage that access token? Is it typically = stored in a cookie or via some other place / method? Smith /** Smith Kennedy Wireless & Standards Architect - IPG-PPS Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC = Forum / USB-IF Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group HP Inc. */ > On Nov 10, 2017, at 10:53 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: >=20 > Smith, >=20 > OK, so to "help" I think we need to separate things because OAuth2 has = three distinct steps: >=20 > 1. Web-based authentication/authorization - a web browser has to be = used, out-of-band from IPP, to obtain a "grant" from the Authorization = Server. The grant is supplied via a URL redirect that is primarily = geared towards web services (point to a HTTPS web page on service X) but = can also use application-specific URL schemes = ("myspecialapp://bla/?code=3Dfsdlfkjasdfdsfsd0324df = "), which is how you = implement OAuth2 for so-called "native apps". >=20 > 2. Once you have the grant, you can request an "access token" (and = optionally a "refresh token", which is essentially a grant you can use = at a later time to keep using the resource) from the authorization = server using a HTTP POST (no web browser needed). >=20 > 3. Once you have the access token, you can supply it in response to = the HTTP 401 status code with a "WWW-Authenticate: Bearer" header. >=20 > Only step 1 requires a web browser. >=20 > Only step 3 is in-band of IPP. >=20 > The token you get in steps 1 and 2 can potentially be reused = indefinitely. When you get a 401 with and error parameter in the = WWW-Authenticate header, it is time to either a) refresh the access = token or b) repeat steps 1 and 2 to re-authenticate. >=20 > The list of RFCs is extensive (https://oauth.net/2/ = ) but the important ones for IPP are: >=20 > - RFC 6749: The OAuth 2.0 Authorization Framework (doing out-of-band = authentication and getting access tokens) > - RFC 6750: OAuth 2.0 Bearer Token Usage (doing in-band = authentication) > - RFC 7636: Proof Key for Code Exchange (doing out-of-band = authentication more securely with native Client applications) > - RFC 8252: Recommendations for using OAuth 2.0 with native apps = (doing out-of-band authentication on a Client - for implementors) >=20 > The following Internet Draft will (hopefully) define how an input = constrained device like a printer can authenticate as a client = (important for IPP INFRA proxies). >=20 >=20 >> On Oct 25, 2017, at 3:59 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) = > wrote: >>=20 >> Hi Mike, >>=20 >> One of my action items to move the IPP Authentication white paper = forward was to solicit help from you in correcting the OAuth2 = diagram(s). Could you take a look at the attached PlantUML sequence = diagram files and make corrections you feel are needed? The versions = from the latest white paper (from August) are attached - there are two = of them. You can edit it in any text editor, then render it using the = PlantUML tool: >>=20 >> http://plantuml.com/download >>=20 >> Thanks in advance!=20 >>=20 >> Smith >>=20 >> /** >> Smith Kennedy >> Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS >> Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC = Forum / USB IF >> Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group >> HP Inc. >> */ >>=20 >>=20 >> = >=20 > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer --Apple-Mail=_E91B2C40-0FEF-45E1-B446-CDDAAFCFBBEE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hi Mike,

I'm not sure how to incorporate your feedback into the = current OAuth2 sequence diagram. I will list some of my questions here, = but we may need to save discussion till the F2F session.

1. Web-based authentication/authorization - a = web browser has to be used, out-of-band from IPP, to obtain a "grant" = from the Authorization Server.

Could that not be = implemented such that the client provides its own "web view" able to = render web content as per the current OAuth2 sequence diagram?

Also, if IPP is performed = before Step 1, then is the "Step 0" a IPP Get-Printer-Attributes or = Validate-Job IPP operation?

 The grant is supplied via a URL = redirect that is primarily geared towards web services (point to a HTTPS = web page on service X) but can also use application-specific URL schemes = ("myspecialapp://bla/?code=3Dfsdlfkjasdfdsfsd0324df"), = which is how you implement OAuth2 for so-called "native = apps".

OK so the HTTP response will be an HTTP = 302 or similar, where the URL could be an https scheme, or could be some = other scheme? What about the "ipp" scheme? Or maybe that is too = premature / inappro. But the token comes in as basically a parameter in = the URL in the 30x redirect response?


2. Once you have the grant, you can request an "access token" = (and optionally a "refresh token", which is essentially a grant you can = use at a later time to keep using the resource) from the authorization = server using a HTTP POST (no web browser = needed).

So the "grant" is basically an "access token access token" = that allows the Client to request an "access token"?


3. Once you have the = access token, you can supply it in response to the HTTP 401 status code = with a "WWW-Authenticate: Bearer" header.

And it = is up to the Client to manage that access token? Is it typically stored = in a cookie or via some other place / method?

Smith

/**
  =   Smith Kennedy
    Wireless & = Standards Architect - IPG-PPS
    Standards - = IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum / = USB-IF
    Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working = Group
    HP Inc.
*/



On Nov 10, 2017, at 10:53 AM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> = wrote:

Smith,

OK, so to "help" I = think we need to separate things because OAuth2 has three distinct = steps:

1. Web-based = authentication/authorization - a web browser has to be used, out-of-band = from IPP, to obtain a "grant" from the Authorization Server.  The = grant is supplied via a URL redirect that is primarily geared towards = web services (point to a HTTPS web page on service X) but can also use = application-specific URL schemes ("myspecialapp://bla/?code=3Dfsdlfkjasdfdsfsd0324df"), = which is how you implement OAuth2 for so-called "native apps".

2. Once you = have the grant, you can request an "access token" (and optionally a = "refresh token", which is essentially a grant you can use at a later = time to keep using the resource) from the authorization server using a = HTTP POST (no web browser needed).

3. Once you have the = access token, you can supply it in response to the HTTP 401 status code = with a "WWW-Authenticate: Bearer" header.

Only step 1 requires = a web browser.

Only = step 3 is in-band of IPP.

The token you get in = steps 1 and 2 can potentially be reused indefinitely.  When you get = a 401 with and error parameter in the WWW-Authenticate header, it is = time to either a) refresh the access token or b) repeat steps 1 and 2 to = re-authenticate.

The list of RFCs is = extensive (https://oauth.net/2/) but the important ones for IPP = are:

- RFC 6749: = The OAuth 2.0 Authorization Framework (doing out-of-band authentication = and getting access tokens)
- RFC 6750: OAuth = 2.0 Bearer Token Usage (doing in-band authentication)
- RFC 7636: Proof Key for Code Exchange (doing out-of-band = authentication more securely with native Client applications)
- RFC 8252: Recommendations for using = OAuth 2.0 with native apps (doing out-of-band authentication on a Client = - for implementors)

The following = Internet Draft will (hopefully) define how an input constrained device = like a printer can authenticate as a client (important for IPP INFRA = proxies).


On Oct = 25, 2017, at 3:59 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:

Hi = Mike,

One of my action items to move the = IPP Authentication white paper forward was to solicit help from you in = correcting the OAuth2 diagram(s). Could you take a look at the attached = PlantUML sequence diagram files and make corrections you feel are = needed? The versions from the latest white paper (from August) are = attached - there are two of them. You can edit it in any text editor, = then render it using the PlantUML tool:

http://plantuml.com/download

Thanks in advance! 

Smith

/**
   Smith Kennedy
   Wireless Architect - Client Software - = IPG-PPS
   Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / = Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum / USB IF
   Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group
   HP Inc.
*/


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X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" Smith, > On Nov 14, 2017, at 11:44 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architec) wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > I'm not sure how to incorporate your feedback into the current OAuth2 sequence diagram. I will list some of my questions here, but we may need to save discussion till the F2F session. > >> 1. Web-based authentication/authorization - a web browser has to be used, out-of-band from IPP, to obtain a "grant" from the Authorization Server. > > Could that not be implemented such that the client provides its own "web view" able to render web content as per the current OAuth2 sequence diagram? Technically yes, however the current best practice is to run the authentication page either in the default web browser or an isolated web view so that the application does not have access to state/cookies/etc. that it shouldn't have access to and it isn't as easy to spoof the OAuth authorization form. > Also, if IPP is performed before Step 1, then is the "Step 0" a IPP Get-Printer-Attributes or Validate-Job IPP operation? You need to do a Get-Printer-Attributes request to get the OAuth Authorization Server URL ("oauth-authorization-server-uri") to use in step 1... You might have done other IPP requests the triggered the 401 response with the Bearer scheme challenge, or you might have gotten the authentication info when presenting the print UI and then proactively done the authentication step. >> The grant is supplied via a URL redirect that is primarily geared towards web services (point to a HTTPS web page on service X) but can also use application-specific URL schemes ("myspecialapp://bla/?code=fsdlfkjasdfdsfsd0324df"), which is how you implement OAuth2 for so-called "native apps". > > OK so the HTTP response will be an HTTP 302 or similar, where the URL could be an https scheme, or could be some other scheme? What about the "ipp" scheme? Or maybe that is too premature / inappro. But the token comes in as basically a parameter in the URL in the 30x redirect response? Yes. (and as for using "ipp" as the scheme, that is totally OK but just needs to be registered with the client ID when you setup the OAuth environment...) >> 2. Once you have the grant, you can request an "access token" (and optionally a "refresh token", which is essentially a grant you can use at a later time to keep using the resource) from the authorization server using a HTTP POST (no web browser needed). > > So the "grant" is basically an "access token access token" that allows the Client to request an "access token"? Yeah, you could look at it that way. The second step basically is a way of confirming that you did the first step and got the redirect - kind of like getting a credit card and then calling to activate it. >> 3. Once you have the access token, you can supply it in response to the HTTP 401 status code with a "WWW-Authenticate: Bearer" header. > > And it is up to the Client to manage that access token? Is it typically stored in a cookie or via some other place / method? The access token must be protected just like a password. And that's why the "destination-accesses" and "document-access" collections are operation attributes - they are not externally visible in the Job object because they contain sensitive information that is not supposed to be exposed. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Wed Nov 15 05:33:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7352E1205F0 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 05:33:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.788 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.788 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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boundary="===============7748230084147738203==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============7748230084147738203== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_rxqWundYNFdmvIoajSsrIg)" --Boundary_(ID_rxqWundYNFdmvIoajSsrIg) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT and I am passing it on as well. Some information on Zstd, which I hadn't heard of until this morning, which looks really interesting: http://facebook.github.io/zstd/ > Begin forwarded message: > > From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" > Subject: Zstd compression (FYI) > Date: November 15, 2017 at 2:57:47 AM EST > To: ietf-http-wg@w3.org > Resent-From: Yves Lafon > Resent-To: HTTP Working Group > > I'd like to make this WG aware of a draft that's being processed in the ART area, namely draft-kucherawy-dispatch-zstd[1]. It describes a data compression algorithm and registers a related media type and content encoding. The developers aren't seeking browser adoption at this point but since it is making entries in registries affecting in this area, I wanted to make it visible here. > > It was discussed briefly in DISPATCH at IETF 100, and it was decided that it will be AD-sponsored. There's no action item for HTTPBIS. Just FYI. > > Thanks, > > -MSK > > [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kucherawy-dispatch-zstd/ _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer --Boundary_(ID_rxqWundYNFdmvIoajSsrIg) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable and = I am passing it on as well.

Some information on Zstd, which I hadn't heard of until this = morning, which looks really interesting:

= http://facebook.github.io/zstd/


Begin forwarded message:

From: = "Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>
Subject: = Zstd compression = (FYI)
Date: = November 15, 2017 at 2:57:47 AM = EST
To: = ietf-http-wg@w3.org
Resent-From: Yves Lafon <ylafon@w3.org>
Resent-To: = HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>

I'd like to make this WG aware of a draft that's being = processed in the ART area, namely draft-kucherawy-dispatch-zstd[1].  It describes a data compression algorithm and registers a related media type and content encoding.  The developers aren't seeking browser=20= adoption at this point but since it is making entries in registries=20 affecting in this area, I wanted to make it visible here.

It was discussed briefly in DISPATCH at IETF 100, and it was decided that=20= it will be AD-sponsored.  There's no action item for HTTPBIS.  = Just FYI.

Thanks,

-MSK

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kucherawy-dispatch-zstd/=

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Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer

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Noteworthy comments included Harald Alvestrand objecting strongly to the use of "standard" in the name (he's gotten lots of support for this comment) and several cryptographers questioning why it's worthwhile, given that it uses existing crypto primitives and it currently lacks good treatment of the security considerations. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 8:33 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: > and I am passing it on as well. > > Some information on Zstd, which I hadn't heard of until this morning, > which looks really interesting: > > http://facebook.github.io/zstd/ > > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From: *"Murray S. Kucherawy" > *Subject: **Zstd compression (FYI)* > *Date: *November 15, 2017 at 2:57:47 AM EST > *To: *ietf-http-wg@w3.org > *Resent-From: *Yves Lafon > *Resent-To: *HTTP Working Group > > I'd like to make this WG aware of a draft that's being processed in the > ART area, namely draft-kucherawy-dispatch-zstd[1]. It describes a data > compression algorithm and registers a related media type and content > encoding. The developers aren't seeking browser adoption at this point but > since it is making entries in registries affecting in this area, I wanted > to make it visible here. > > It was discussed briefly in DISPATCH at IETF 100, and it was decided that > it will be AD-sponsored. There's no action item for HTTPBIS. Just FYI. > > Thanks, > > -MSK > > [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kucherawy-dispatch-zstd/ > > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer > > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > --001a1141049ca00c49055e05c652 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mike,

Zstandard h= as provoked a lively discussion on IETF lists.=C2=A0 Noteworthy
c= omments included Harald Alvestrand objecting strongly to the use of
"standard" in the name (he's gotten lots of support for thi= s comment)
and several cryptographers questioning why it's wor= thwhile, given that
it uses existing crypto primitives and it cur= rently lacks good treatment
of the security considerations.
<= br>
Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (M= usician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions = WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Pr= inter Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol = WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / H= igh North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/= blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/si= te/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place= =C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221=C2= =A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434


On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 8:33 AM, Michael Swe= et <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
and I am= passing it on as well.

Some information on Zstd, which = I hadn't heard of until this morning, which looks really interesting:

<= div>

Begin forwarded message:
From: "Murray S. Kuc= herawy" <s= uperuser@gmail.com>
Subject: Zstd compression (FYI)
Date: N= ovember 15, 2017 at 2:57:47 AM EST
Resent-From: Yves Lafon <= ylafon@w3.org>
Resent-To: HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>

=
I'd like to make this WG aware of a draft that's being process= ed in the ART area, namely draft-kucherawy-dispatch-zstd[1].=C2=A0 It describes a data compression algorithm and registers a related media type and content encoding.=C2=A0 The developers aren't seeking browser= =20 adoption at this point but since it is making entries in registries=20 affecting in this area, I wanted to make it visible here.

It was discussed briefly in DISPATCH at IETF 100, and it was decided that=20 it will be AD-sponsored.=C2=A0 There's no action item for HTTPBIS.=C2= =A0 Just FYI.

Thanks,

-MSK=

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-= kucherawy-dispatch-zstd/

_____________________= ____________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing= System=C2=A0Engineer


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boundary="===============4049475449918519522==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============4049475449918519522== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_9T3IlwKL7QKcmJvPJBaz7g)" --Boundary_(ID_9T3IlwKL7QKcmJvPJBaz7g) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Ira, Yeah, the naming is unfortunate - perhaps the Facebook folks would be open to renaming it to "Znext" or something? I didn't read far enough in to comment on any of the crypto/hash usage, but the new data compression technique is certainly novel. > On Nov 15, 2017, at 8:49 AM, Ira McDonald wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > Zstandard has provoked a lively discussion on IETF lists. Noteworthy > comments included Harald Alvestrand objecting strongly to the use of > "standard" in the name (he's gotten lots of support for this comment) > and several cryptographers questioning why it's worthwhile, given that > it uses existing crypto primitives and it currently lacks good treatment > of the security considerations. > > Cheers, > - Ira > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 > May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 > > > On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 8:33 AM, Michael Sweet > wrote: > and I am passing it on as well. > > Some information on Zstd, which I hadn't heard of until this morning, which looks really interesting: > > http://facebook.github.io/zstd/ > > >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" > >> Subject: Zstd compression (FYI) >> Date: November 15, 2017 at 2:57:47 AM EST >> To: ietf-http-wg@w3.org >> Resent-From: Yves Lafon > >> Resent-To: HTTP Working Group > >> >> I'd like to make this WG aware of a draft that's being processed in the ART area, namely draft-kucherawy-dispatch-zstd[1]. It describes a data compression algorithm and registers a related media type and content encoding. The developers aren't seeking browser adoption at this point but since it is making entries in registries affecting in this area, I wanted to make it visible here. >> >> It was discussed briefly in DISPATCH at IETF 100, and it was decided that it will be AD-sponsored. There's no action item for HTTPBIS. Just FYI. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -MSK >> >> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kucherawy-dispatch-zstd/ > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer > > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer --Boundary_(ID_9T3IlwKL7QKcmJvPJBaz7g) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Ira,

Yeah, = the naming is unfortunate - perhaps the Facebook folks would be open to = renaming it to "Znext" or something?  I didn't read far enough in = to comment on any of the crypto/hash usage, but the new data compression = technique is certainly novel.

On Nov = 15, 2017, at 8:49 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Mike,

Zstandard has provoked a lively discussion on IETF = lists.  Noteworthy
comments included Harald = Alvestrand objecting strongly to the use of
"standard"= in the name (he's gotten lots of support for this comment)
and several cryptographers questioning why it's = worthwhile, given that
it uses existing crypto = primitives and it currently lacks good treatment
of the = security considerations.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software = Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  = 734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI = 49839  906-494-2434


On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 8:33 = AM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
and= I am passing it on as well.

Some information on Zstd, which I hadn't heard of until this = morning, which looks really interesting:

http://facebook.github.io/zstd/


Begin forwarded message:

From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>
Subject: Zstd compression = (FYI)
Date: November 15, 2017 at 2:57:47 AM = EST
To: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
Resent-From: Yves Lafon <ylafon@w3.org>
Resent-To: HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>

I'd like to make = this WG aware of a draft that's being processed in the ART area, namely = draft-kucherawy-dispatch-zstd[1].  It describes a data compression algorithm and registers a related media type and content encoding.  The developers aren't seeking browser=20= adoption at this point but since it is making entries in registries=20 affecting in this area, I wanted to make it visible here.

It was discussed briefly in DISPATCH at IETF 100, and it was decided that=20= it will be AD-sponsored.  There's no action item for HTTPBIS.  = Just FYI.

Thanks,

-MSK

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kucherawy-dispatch-zstd/

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" Greetings, I've posted an update to IPP Presets following our IPP WG sessions at today's virtual F2F: https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipppreset-20171116.pdf https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipppreset-20171116.odt https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipppreset-20171116-rev.pdf https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipppreset-20171116-rev.odt Changes include removing unused references and naming Rick Yardumian as a contributor for Canon's contributions and feedback. 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boundary="===============8068635130422930707==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============8068635130422930707== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2759B8BF-7B0F-4C41-9D5C-36F0442AC2CC"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_2759B8BF-7B0F-4C41-9D5C-36F0442AC2CC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greetings, I've posted an update to IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes following our = IPP WG sessions at today's virtual F2F: https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171116.pdf https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171116.odt https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171116-rev.pdf https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171116-rev.odt Changes include fixing instances of "non-TLS" and adding a reference to = RFC 5246. 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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 16 Nov 2017 21:16:33.4563 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: ca7981a2-785a-463d-b82a-3db87dfc3ce6 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DF4PR84MB0282 Subject: [IPP] New stable draft of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes (GUPA) posted for review and last call X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" Greetings, Here are links to the updated IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes document: https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171117.pdf https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171117.odt https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171117-rev.pdf https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171117-rev.odt I believe this revision is the one that will be the subject of the IPP WG last call. Cheers and thanks to all for the review! Smith /** Smith Kennedy Wireless & Standards Architect - IPG-PPS Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum / USB-IF Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group HP Inc. */ _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Thu Nov 16 19:25:30 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF8A127B57 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 19:25:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.789 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.789 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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This IPP Last Call ends at 10pm PT on December 1, 2017. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Thu Nov 16 19:25:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD4B1275F4 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 19:25:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.789 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.789 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (2048-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=apple.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lehjqspqcCoM for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" All, This message begins the IPP Last Call of the IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes registration which is available at the following URLs: https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171117.pdf https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171117.odt Please review this registration and respond to the IPP mailing list (reply-all to this message is fine) with any feedback you have for the proposed registration. This IPP Last Call ends at 10pm PT on December 1, 2017. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Fri Nov 17 05:34:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE9B12785F for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 05:34:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.789 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.789 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (2048-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=apple.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qeVvorCmgYmv for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" One Apple comment: there is no IANA Considerations section! (and I don't believe I missed this with all of the reviews we did!) You'll need two subsections to register the new operation and its corresponding value, to insert before the current section 8 (references) - the current reg-template.docx has the necessary text you can copy from: N IANA Considerations N.1 Type2 enum Registrations The attributes defined in this registration will be published by IANA according to the procedures in IPP Model and Semantics [RFC8011] section 7.1 in the following file: http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipp-registrations The registry entries will contain the following information: Attributes (attribute syntax) Enum Value Enum Symbolic Name Reference ---------- ------------------ --------- operations-supported (1setOf type2 enum) [RFC8011] 0x0066 Get-User-Printer-Attributes [IPPGUPA] N.2 Operation Registrations The attributes defined in this registration will be published by IANA according to the procedures in IPP/1.1 Model and Semantics [RFC8011] section 7.4 in the following file: http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipp-registrations The registry entries will contain the following information: Operation Name Reference -------------- --------- Get-User-Printer-Attributes [IPPGUPA] > On Nov 16, 2017, at 10:25 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > > All, > > This message begins the IPP Last Call of the IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes registration which is available at the following URLs: > > https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171117.pdf > https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171117.odt > > Please review this registration and respond to the IPP mailing list (reply-all to this message is fine) with any feedback you have for the proposed registration. > > This IPP Last Call ends at 10pm PT on December 1, 2017. > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Fri Nov 17 07:02:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B55126CB6 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 07:02:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.788 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.788 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" 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AJaThX43biBxbQdXMmJQq0Uam2Uvi/IQbvcuhWK6tcJ491xNzW3Cwr/o 7F3yzgonVA1F8d3+DnYXCaI7gJxxexNvUf+I2a4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZH2RH+Irt/daDPy80yL1U2S6iTH2RYLc+HYTnjexiHtidc+mAyKsY+Wq/H2Olcn5gdHbK0QIaX7ln54H6iWPc= X-Received: by 10.200.28.82 with SMTP id j18mr9152876qtk.133.1510932276571; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 07:24:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.86.144 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 07:24:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <84923B4C-7706-4DFB-A5F9-5D9897E5C05B@hp.com> References: <8E26C192-A86E-4E3C-B0E5-144F830B4F00@apple.com> <84923B4C-7706-4DFB-A5F9-5D9897E5C05B@hp.com> From: Ira McDonald Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 10:24:16 -0500 Message-ID: To: "Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architec)" , Ira McDonald Cc: PWG IPP WG Reflector Subject: Re: [IPP] IPP Last Call of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes Registration (Ends 10pm December 1, 2017) X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2332689215881448103==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============2332689215881448103== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c032f5e9ff120055e2f5579" --94eb2c032f5e9ff120055e2f5579 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Smith, Please treat as conventional WG last call feedback and hold the changes for end of last call version. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architec) wrote: > Wow, I wonder how I missed that too! I can hammer out another revision and > we can re-issue the last call. Or we can just treat this as conventional > last call feedback. Which do you and the IPP WG prefer? > > Cheers, > Smith > --- > > Smith Kennedy > Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS > Standards - PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum > Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group > HP Inc. > > > On Nov 17, 2017, at 6:34 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: > > One Apple comment: there is no IANA Considerations section! (and I don't > believe I missed this with all of the reviews we did!) > > You'll need two subsections to register the new operation and its > corresponding value, to insert before the current section 8 (references) - > the current reg-template.docx has the necessary text you can copy from: > > N IANA Considerations > > > N.1 Type2 enum Registrations > > The attributes defined in this registration will be published by IANA > according to the procedures in IPP Model and Semantics [RFC8011] section > 7.1 in the following file: > > http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipp-registrations > > The registry entries will contain the following information: > > Attributes (attribute syntax) > Enum Value Enum Symbolic Name Reference > ---------- ------------------ --------- > operations-supported (1setOf type2 enum) [RFC8011] > 0x0066 Get-User-Printer-Attributes [IPPGUPA] > > > N.2 Operation Registrations > > The attributes defined in this registration will be published by IANA > according to the procedures in IPP/1.1 Model and Semantics [RFC8011] > section 7.4 in the following file: > > http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipp-registrations > > The registry entries will contain the following information: > > Operation Name Reference > -------------- --------- > Get-User-Printer-Attributes [IPPGUPA] > > > On Nov 16, 2017, at 10:25 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > > > All, > > > This message begins the IPP Last Call of the IPP > Get-User-Printer-Attributes registration which is available at the > following URLs: > > > https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171117.pdf > > https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171117.odt > > > Please review this registration and respond to the IPP mailing list > (reply-all to this message is fine) with any feedback you have for the > proposed registration. > > > This IPP Last Call ends at 10pm PT on December 1, 2017. > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer > > > _______________________________________________ > > ipp mailing list > > ipp@pwg.org > > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > --94eb2c032f5e9ff120055e2f5579 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Smith,

Please treat as conv= entional WG last call feedback and hold the changes for end of last call ve= rsion.

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (= Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions= WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO P= rinter Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol= WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / = High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site= /blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/s= ite/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place= =C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221=C2= =A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434


On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Kennedy, S= mith (Wireless & Standards Architec) <smith.kennedy@hp.com>= wrote:
Wow, I wonder how I missed that too! I can hammer out another revision and = we can re-issue the last call. Or we can just treat this as conventional la= st call feedback. Which do you and the IPP WG prefer?

Cheers,
Smith
---

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0Smith Kennedy
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0Standards - PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0HP Inc.


On Nov 17, 2017, at 6:34 AM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

One Apple comment: there is no IANA Considerations section! (and= I don't believe I missed this with all of the reviews we did!)<= br>
You'll need two subsections to register the new operation and its= corresponding value, to insert before the current section 8 (references) -= the current reg-template.docx has the necessary text you can copy from:

N IANA Considerations


N.1 Type2 enum Registrations

The attributes defined in this registration will be published by IANA= according to the procedures in IPP Model and Semantics [RFC8011] section 7= .1 in the following file:

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipp-regis= trations

The registry entries will contain the following information:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Attributes (attribute syntax)
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Enum Value =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0Enum Symbolic Name =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Refere= nce
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0---------- =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0------------------ =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0------= ---
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0operations-supported (1setOf type2 enum) =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0[RFC8011]
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A00x0066 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Get-User-Printer-Attributes =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0[IPPGUPA]


N.2 Operation Registrations

The attributes defined in this registration will be published by IANA= according to the procedures in IPP/1.1 Model and Semantics [RFC8011] secti= on 7.4 in the following file:

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipp-regis= trations

The registry entries will contain the following information:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Operation Name =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Ref= erence
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0-------------- =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0---= ------
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Get-User-Printer-Attributes =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0[IPPGUPA]


On Nov 16, 2017, at 10:25 PM, Michael Sweet= <msweet@apple.com= > wrote:

All,

This message begins the IPP Last Call of th= e IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes registration which is available at the fo= llowing URLs:

=C2=A0=C2=A0https://ftp.pwg.o= rg/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171117.pdf
=C2=A0=C2=A0https://ftp.pwg.o= rg/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171117.odt

Please review this registration and respond= to the IPP mailing list (reply-all to this message is fine) with any feedb= ack you have for the proposed registration.

This IPP Last Call ends at 10pm PT on Decem= ber 1, 2017.

______________________________________= ___________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engin= eer

______________________________________= _________
ipp mailing list
ipp@pwg.org
https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp

_________________________________________________________=
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer

_______________________________________________
ipp mailing list
ipp@pwg.org
https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp

_______________________________________________
ipp mailing list
ipp@pwg.org
https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp


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(ptykodi@tykodi.com@174.199.33.147) by 0 with ESMTPA; 17 Nov 2017 15:29:20 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Paul Tykodi X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14G60) In-Reply-To: <84923B4C-7706-4DFB-A5F9-5D9897E5C05B@hp.com> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 10:29:18 -0500 Message-Id: <6CEA4404-8B7E-445F-ADC9-D1A56C093F35@tykodi.com> References: <8E26C192-A86E-4E3C-B0E5-144F830B4F00@apple.com> <84923B4C-7706-4DFB-A5F9-5D9897E5C05B@hp.com> To: "Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architec)" Cc: PWG IPP WG Reflector Subject: Re: [IPP] IPP Last Call of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes Registration (Ends 10pm December 1, 2017) X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6387011298953936890==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============6387011298953936890== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-E9ABE1C3-21A0-4173-A864-69D50A61FDC1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-E9ABE1C3-21A0-4173-A864-69D50A61FDC1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Smith, Since we missed a required section in the template, I personally like the re= -publish and re-start option as opposed to considering it as a last call com= ment. Generally I am seeing this as a process failure (i. e. template used was mis= sing a required section) rather than a content related issue. I realize adding the section into the document adds content so I think eithe= r proposed solution will work fine within PWG process rules. Thanks. Best Regards, /Paul P.S. - Thanks Mike for catching this issue. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 17, 2017, at 10:02 AM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Archite= c) wrote: >=20 > Wow, I wonder how I missed that too! I can hammer out another revision and= we can re-issue the last call. Or we can just treat this as conventional la= st call feedback. Which do you and the IPP WG prefer? >=20 > Cheers, > Smith > --- >=20 > Smith Kennedy > Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS > Standards - PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum > Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group > HP Inc. >=20 >=20 > On Nov 17, 2017, at 6:34 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: >=20 >> One Apple comment: there is no IANA Considerations section! (and I don't b= elieve I missed this with all of the reviews we did!) >>=20 >> You'll need two subsections to register the new operation and its corresp= onding value, to insert before the current section 8 (references) - the curr= ent reg-template.docx has the necessary text you can copy from: >>=20 >> N IANA Considerations >>=20 >>=20 >> N.1 Type2 enum Registrations >>=20 >> The attributes defined in this registration will be published by IANA acc= ording to the procedures in IPP Model and Semantics [RFC8011] section 7.1 in= the following file: >>=20 >> http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipp-registrations >>=20 >> The registry entries will contain the following information: >>=20 >> Attributes (attribute syntax) >> Enum Value Enum Symbolic Name Reference >> ---------- ------------------ --------- >> operations-supported (1setOf type2 enum) [RFC8011] >> 0x0066 Get-User-Printer-Attributes [IPPGUPA] >>=20 >>=20 >> N.2 Operation Registrations >>=20 >> The attributes defined in this registration will be published by IANA acc= ording to the procedures in IPP/1.1 Model and Semantics [RFC8011] section 7.= 4 in the following file: >>=20 >> http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipp-registrations >>=20 >> The registry entries will contain the following information: >>=20 >> Operation Name Reference >> -------------- --------- >> Get-User-Printer-Attributes [IPPGUPA] >>=20 >>=20 >>>> On Nov 16, 2017, at 10:25 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: >>>=20 >>> All, >>>=20 >>> This message begins the IPP Last Call of the IPP Get-User-Printer-Attrib= utes registration which is available at the following URLs: >>>=20 >>> https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171117.pdf >>> https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171117.odt >>>=20 >>> Please review this registration and respond to the IPP mailing list (rep= ly-all to this message is fine) with any feedback you have for the proposed r= egistration. >>>=20 >>> This IPP Last Call ends at 10pm PT on December 1, 2017. >>>=20 >>> _________________________________________________________ >>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ipp mailing list >>> ipp@pwg.org >>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >>=20 >> _________________________________________________________ >> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --Apple-Mail-E9ABE1C3-21A0-4173-A864-69D50A61FDC1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Smith,

Since we missed a required s= ection in the template, I personally like the re-publish and re-start option= as opposed to considering it as a last call comment.

Generally I am seeing= this as a process failure (i. e. template used was missing a required secti= on) rather than a content related issue.

I realize adding the section into t= he document adds content so I think either proposed solution will  work= fine within PWG process rules.

Thanks.

Best Regards,

/Paul

P.S. - Thanks M= ike for catching this issue.

Sent fr= om my iPhone

On Nov 17, 2017, at 10:02 AM, Kennedy, Smith (Wir= eless & Standards Architec) <= smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:

<= div> Wow, I wonder how I missed that too! I can hammer out another revision and w= e can re-issue the last call. Or we can just treat this as conventional last= call feedback. Which do you and the IPP WG prefer?

Cheers,
Smith
---

  &= nbsp;Smith Kennedy
  &= nbsp;Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS
  &= nbsp;Standards - PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum
  &= nbsp;Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group
  &= nbsp;HP Inc.


On Nov 17, 2017, at 6:34 AM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

One Apple comment: there is no IANA Considerations section! (and I= don't believe I missed this with all of the reviews we did!)

You'll need two subsections to register the new operation and its corr= esponding value, to insert before the current section 8 (references) - the c= urrent reg-template.docx has the necessary text you can copy from:
N IANA Considerations


N.1 Type2 enum Registrations

The attributes defined in this registration will be published by IANA a= ccording to the procedures in IPP Model and Semantics [RFC8011] section 7.1 i= n the following file:

   http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipp-registrations

The registry entries will contain the following information:
   Attributes (attribute syntax)
     Enum Value      = ;Enum Symbolic Name          &n= bsp;          Reference
     ----------      = ;------------------          &n= bsp;          ---------
   operations-supported (1setOf type2 enum)   = ;            &nb= sp; [RFC8011]
     0x0066      &nb= sp;   Get-User-Printer-Attributes     &nb= sp;      [IPPGUPA]


N.2 Operation Registrations

The attributes defined in this registration will be published by IANA a= ccording to the procedures in IPP/1.1 Model and Semantics [RFC8011] section 7= .4 in the following file:

   http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipp-registrations

The registry entries will contain the following information:
   Operation Name       &= nbsp;            = ;            &nb= sp;          Reference
   --------------       &= nbsp;            = ;            &nb= sp;          ---------
   Get-User-Printer-Attributes     =             &nbs= p;            [I= PPGUPA]


On Nov 16, 2017, at 10:25 PM, Michael Sweet &= lt;msweet@apple.com> wrote:

All,

This message begins the IPP Last Call of the= IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes registration which is available at the foll= owing URLs:

  https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd= -ippgupa-20171117.pdf
  https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd= -ippgupa-20171117.odt

Please review this registration and respond t= o the IPP mailing list (reply-all to this message is fine) with any feedback= you have for the proposed registration.

This IPP Last Call ends at 10pm PT on Decemb= er 1, 2017.

____________________________________________= _____________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engine= er

____________________________________________= ___
ipp mailing list
ipp@pwg.org
https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer

_______________________________________________
ipp mailing list
ipp@pwg.org
https://www.pwg.o= rg/mailman/listinfo/ipp
____________________= ___________________________
ipp mailing list
ipp@pwg.org
https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinf= o/ipp
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charset="UTF-8" Hi Paul, Several comments: 1) The IANA section was NOT missing in the template. 2) The PWG Process for IPP Registrations is work-in-progress in SC. 3) This is a WG last call, NOT a PWG last call. 4) Stop, revise, and restart is a slippery slope that does not have any existing PWG Process 3.0 sanction for WG last call. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 10:29 AM, Paul Tykodi wrote: > Hi Smith, > > Since we missed a required section in the template, I personally like the > re-publish and re-start option as opposed to considering it as a last call > comment. > > Generally I am seeing this as a process failure (i. e. template used was > missing a required section) rather than a content related issue. > > I realize adding the section into the document adds content so I think > either proposed solution will work fine within PWG process rules. > > Thanks. > > Best Regards, > > /Paul > > P.S. - Thanks Mike for catching this issue. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 17, 2017, at 10:02 AM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards > Architec) wrote: > > Wow, I wonder how I missed that too! I can hammer out another revision and > we can re-issue the last call. Or we can just treat this as conventional > last call feedback. Which do you and the IPP WG prefer? > > Cheers, > Smith > --- > > Smith Kennedy > Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS > Standards - PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum > Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group > HP Inc. > > > On Nov 17, 2017, at 6:34 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: > > One Apple comment: there is no IANA Considerations section! (and I don't > believe I missed this with all of the reviews we did!) > > You'll need two subsections to register the new operation and its > corresponding value, to insert before the current section 8 (references) - > the current reg-template.docx has the necessary text you can copy from: > > N IANA Considerations > > > N.1 Type2 enum Registrations > > The attributes defined in this registration will be published by IANA > according to the procedures in IPP Model and Semantics [RFC8011] section > 7.1 in the following file: > > http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipp-registrations > > The registry entries will contain the following information: > > Attributes (attribute syntax) > Enum Value Enum Symbolic Name Reference > ---------- ------------------ --------- > operations-supported (1setOf type2 enum) [RFC8011] > 0x0066 Get-User-Printer-Attributes [IPPGUPA] > > > N.2 Operation Registrations > > The attributes defined in this registration will be published by IANA > according to the procedures in IPP/1.1 Model and Semantics [RFC8011] > section 7.4 in the following file: > > http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipp-registrations > > The registry entries will contain the following information: > > Operation Name Reference > -------------- --------- > Get-User-Printer-Attributes [IPPGUPA] > > > On Nov 16, 2017, at 10:25 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > > > All, > > > This message begins the IPP Last Call of the IPP > Get-User-Printer-Attributes registration which is available at the > following URLs: > > > https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171117.pdf > > https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171117.odt > > > Please review this registration and respond to the IPP mailing list > (reply-all to this message is fine) with any feedback you have for the > proposed registration. > > > This IPP Last Call ends at 10pm PT on December 1, 2017. > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer > > > _______________________________________________ > > ipp mailing list > > ipp@pwg.org > > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > --f403043a4108674805055e300b7d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Paul,

Several com= ments:

1) The IANA section was NOT missing in the template.
2) The PWG Process for IPP Registrations is work-in-progress in SC.<= br>
3) This is a WG last call, NOT a PWG last call.
4) S= top, revise, and restart is a slippery slope that does not have any
existing PWG Process 3.0 sanction for WG last call.

=
Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (M= usician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions = WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Pr= inter Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol = WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / H= igh North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/= blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/si= te/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place= =C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221=C2= =A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434


On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 10:29 AM, Paul Tykod= i <ptykodi@tykodi.com> wrote:
Hi Smith,

Since we missed a required section in the template, I personally lik= e the re-publish and re-start option as opposed to considering it as a last= call comment.
Generally I am s= eeing this as a process failure (i. e. template used was missing a required= section) rather than a content related issue.

I realize adding the section into the document adds content= so I think either proposed solution will =C2=A0work fine within PWG proces= s rules.

Thanks.

Best Regards,

/Paul

P.S. - Tha= nks Mike for catching this issue.

Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 17, 2017, at 10:02 AM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Ar= chitec) <smith= .kennedy@hp.com> wrote:

Wow, I wonder how I missed that too! I can hammer out another revision and = we can re-issue the last call. Or we can just treat this as conventional la= st call feedback. Which do you and the IPP WG prefer?

Cheers,
Smith
---

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0Smith Kennedy
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0Standards - PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0HP Inc.


On Nov 17, 2017, at 6:34 AM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

One Apple comment: there is no IANA Considerations section! (and= I don't believe I missed this with all of the reviews we did!)<= br>
You'll need two subsections to register the new operation and its= corresponding value, to insert before the current section 8 (references) -= the current reg-template.docx has the necessary text you can copy from:

N IANA Considerations


N.1 Type2 enum Registrations

The attributes defined in this registration will be published by IANA= according to the procedures in IPP Model and Semantics [RFC8011] section 7= .1 in the following file:

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipp-regis= trations

The registry entries will contain the following information:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Attributes (attribute syntax)
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Enum Value =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0Enum Symbolic Name =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Refere= nce
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0---------- =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0------------------ =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0------= ---
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0operations-supported (1setOf type2 enum) =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0[RFC8011]
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A00x0066 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Get-User-Printer-Attributes =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0[IPPGUPA]


N.2 Operation Registrations

The attributes defined in this registration will be published by IANA= according to the procedures in IPP/1.1 Model and Semantics [RFC8011] secti= on 7.4 in the following file:

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipp-regis= trations

The registry entries will contain the following information:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Operation Name =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Ref= erence
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0-------------- =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0---= ------
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Get-User-Printer-Attributes =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0[IPPGUPA]


On Nov 16, 2017, at 10:25 PM, Michael Sweet= <msweet@apple.com= > wrote:

All,

This message begins the IPP Last Call of th= e IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes registration which is available at the fo= llowing URLs:

=C2=A0=C2=A0https://ftp.pwg.o= rg/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171117.pdf
=C2=A0=C2=A0https://ftp.pwg.o= rg/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171117.odt

Please review this registration and respond= to the IPP mailing list (reply-all to this message is fine) with any feedb= ack you have for the proposed registration.

This IPP Last Call ends at 10pm PT on Decem= ber 1, 2017.

______________________________________= ___________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engin= eer

______________________________________= _________
ipp mailing list
ipp@pwg.org
https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp

_________________________________________________________=
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer

_______________________________________________
ipp mailing list
ipp@pwg.org
https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp
___________________= ____________________________
ipp mailing listipp@pwg.org
https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp

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(ptykodi@tykodi.com@174.199.33.147) by 0 with ESMTPA; 17 Nov 2017 18:54:20 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Paul Tykodi X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14G60) In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 13:54:19 -0500 Message-Id: <494D4ED7-7084-4CF0-8EB9-9E39A259C8A3@tykodi.com> References: <8E26C192-A86E-4E3C-B0E5-144F830B4F00@apple.com> <84923B4C-7706-4DFB-A5F9-5D9897E5C05B@hp.com> <6CEA4404-8B7E-445F-ADC9-D1A56C093F35@tykodi.com> To: Ira McDonald Cc: PWG IPP WG Reflector Subject: Re: [IPP] IPP Last Call of IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes Registration (Ends 10pm December 1, 2017) X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8927894715264837542==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============8927894715264837542== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-F9AB0862-C622-439C-A805-2A77D99FDF44 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-F9AB0862-C622-439C-A805-2A77D99FDF44 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ira, If the template had the IANA section included and the relevant data was simp= ly not added, then I completely agree with your earlier suggestion to includ= e the item in the last call comments. Thanks. Best Regards, /Paul Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 17, 2017, at 11:15 AM, Ira McDonald wrote= : >=20 > Hi Paul, >=20 > Several comments: >=20 > 1) The IANA section was NOT missing in the template. > 2) The PWG Process for IPP Registrations is work-in-progress in SC. > 3) This is a WG last call, NOT a PWG last call. > 4) Stop, revise, and restart is a slippery slope that does not have any > existing PWG Process 3.0 sanction for WG last call. >=20 > Cheers, > - Ira >=20 >=20 > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 > May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 >=20 >=20 >> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 10:29 AM, Paul Tykodi wrote:= >> Hi Smith, >>=20 >> Since we missed a required section in the template, I personally like the= re-publish and re-start option as opposed to considering it as a last call c= omment. >>=20 >> Generally I am seeing this as a process failure (i. e. template used was m= issing a required section) rather than a content related issue. >>=20 >> I realize adding the section into the document adds content so I think ei= ther proposed solution will work fine within PWG process rules. >>=20 >> Thanks. >>=20 >> Best Regards, >>=20 >> /Paul >>=20 >> P.S. - Thanks Mike for catching this issue. >>=20 >> Sent from my iPhone >>=20 >>> On Nov 17, 2017, at 10:02 AM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Archi= tec) wrote: >>>=20 >>> Wow, I wonder how I missed that too! I can hammer out another revision a= nd we can re-issue the last call. Or we can just treat this as conventional l= ast call feedback. Which do you and the IPP WG prefer? >>>=20 >>> Cheers, >>> Smith >>> --- >>>=20 >>> Smith Kennedy >>> Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS >>> Standards - PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum >>> Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group >>> HP Inc. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Nov 17, 2017, at 6:34 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: >>>=20 >>>> One Apple comment: there is no IANA Considerations section! (and I don'= t believe I missed this with all of the reviews we did!) >>>>=20 >>>> You'll need two subsections to register the new operation and its corre= sponding value, to insert before the current section 8 (references) - the cu= rrent reg-template.docx has the necessary text you can copy from: >>>>=20 >>>> N IANA Considerations >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> N.1 Type2 enum Registrations >>>>=20 >>>> The attributes defined in this registration will be published by IANA a= ccording to the procedures in IPP Model and Semantics [RFC8011] section 7.1 i= n the following file: >>>>=20 >>>> http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipp-registrations >>>>=20 >>>> The registry entries will contain the following information: >>>>=20 >>>> Attributes (attribute syntax) >>>> Enum Value Enum Symbolic Name Reference >>>> ---------- ------------------ --------- >>>> operations-supported (1setOf type2 enum) [RFC8011] >>>> 0x0066 Get-User-Printer-Attributes [IPPGUPA] >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> N.2 Operation Registrations >>>>=20 >>>> The attributes defined in this registration will be published by IANA a= ccording to the procedures in IPP/1.1 Model and Semantics [RFC8011] section 7= .4 in the following file: >>>>=20 >>>> http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipp-registrations >>>>=20 >>>> The registry entries will contain the following information: >>>>=20 >>>> Operation Name Reference >>>> -------------- --------- >>>> Get-User-Printer-Attributes [IPPGUPA] >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>>> On Nov 16, 2017, at 10:25 PM, Michael Sweet wrote:= >>>>>=20 >>>>> All, >>>>>=20 >>>>> This message begins the IPP Last Call of the IPP Get-User-Printer-Attr= ibutes registration which is available at the following URLs: >>>>>=20 >>>>> https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171117.pdf >>>>> https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171117.odt >>>>>=20 >>>>> Please review this registration and respond to the IPP mailing list (r= eply-all to this message is fine) with any feedback you have for the propose= d registration. >>>>>=20 >>>>> This IPP Last Call ends at 10pm PT on December 1, 2017. >>>>>=20 >>>>> _________________________________________________________ >>>>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer >>>>>=20 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> ipp mailing list >>>>> ipp@pwg.org >>>>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >>>>=20 >>>> _________________________________________________________ >>>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> ipp mailing list >>>> ipp@pwg.org >>>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ipp mailing list >>> ipp@pwg.org >>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-F9AB0862-C622-439C-A805-2A77D99FDF44 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ira,

If the template had the IANA s= ection included and the relevant data was simply not added, then I completel= y agree with your earlier suggestion to include the item in the last call co= mments.

Thanks.

Best Regards,

/Paul
<= br>Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 17, 2017, at 11:15 AM, Ira McDon= ald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:


=

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 10:29 AM, Paul Tykodi= <ptykodi@tykodi.com> wrote:
Hi Smith,

Since we missed a required section in the template, I personally like the r= e-publish and re-start option as opposed to considering it as a last call co= mment.

Generally I am seeing this= as a process failure (i. e. template used was missing a required section) r= ather than a content related issue.

I realize adding the section into the document adds content so I think ei= ther proposed solution will  work fine within PWG process rules.
<= div id=3D"m_8123283183656896416AppleMailSignature">
Thanks.

Best Regards,

/Paul

P.S. - Thanks Mike for catching th= is issue.

Sent f= rom my iPhone

On Nov 17, 2017, at 10:02= AM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architec) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote= :

Wow, I wonder how I missed that too! I can hammer out another revision and w= e can re-issue the last call. Or we can just treat this as conventional last= call feedback. Which do you and the IPP WG prefer?

Cheers,
Smith
---

   = Smith Kennedy
   = Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS
   = Standards - PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum
   = Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group
   = HP Inc.


On Nov 17, 2017, at 6:34 AM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

One Apple comment: there is no IANA Considerations section! (and I= don't believe I missed this with all of the reviews we did!)

You'll need two subsections to register the new operation and its corr= esponding value, to insert before the current section 8 (references) - the c= urrent reg-template.docx has the necessary text you can copy from:
N IANA Considerations


N.1 Type2 enum Registrations

The attributes defined in this registration will be published by IANA a= ccording to the procedures in IPP Model and Semantics [RFC8011] section 7.1 i= n the following file:

   http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipp-registr= ations

The registry entries will contain the following information:
   Attributes (attribute syntax)
     Enum Value      = ;Enum Symbolic Name          &n= bsp;          Reference
     ----------      = ;------------------          &n= bsp;          ---------
   operations-supported (1setOf type2 enum)   = ;            &nb= sp; [RFC8011]
     0x0066      &nb= sp;   Get-User-Printer-Attributes    &nbs= p;       [IPPGUPA]


N.2 Operation Registrations

The attributes defined in this registration will be published by IANA a= ccording to the procedures in IPP/1.1 Model and Semantics [RFC8011] section 7= .4 in the following file:

   http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipp-registr= ations

The registry entries will contain the following information:
   Operation Name       &= nbsp;            = ;           &nbs= p;           Referenc= e
   --------------       &= nbsp;            = ;           &nbs= p;           --------= -
   Get-User-Printer-Attributes     =             &nbs= p;            [<= wbr>IPPGUPA]


On Nov 16, 2017, at 10:25 PM, Michael Sweet &= lt;msweet@apple.com> wrote:

All,

This message begins the IPP Last Call of the= IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes registration which is available at the foll= owing URLs:

  https://ftp.pwg.org= /pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171117.pdf
  https://ftp.pwg.org= /pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171117.odt

Please review this registration and respond t= o the IPP mailing list (reply-all to this message is fine) with any feedback= you have for the proposed registration.

This IPP Last Call ends at 10pm PT on Decemb= er 1, 2017.

_______________________________________= __________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engine= er

_______________________________________= ________
ipp mailing list
ipp@pwg.org
https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp=

_________________________________________________________<= br> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer

_______________________________________________
ipp mailing list
ipp@pwg.org
https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp
____________________= ___________________________
ipp mailing list
= ipp@pwg.org
https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp

________________________________________= _______
ipp mailing list
ipp@pwg.org
https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp


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boundary="===============4184058245851087346==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============4184058245851087346== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_9mguuRcNmfHcpUQnk3GW0g)" --Boundary_(ID_9mguuRcNmfHcpUQnk3GW0g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable It isn=E2=80=99t a technical change (just editorial =E2=80=9Cpaperwork=E2=80= =9D) so let=E2=80=99s keep going as is... Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 17, 2017, at 10:02 AM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Archite= c) wrote: >=20 > Wow, I wonder how I missed that too! I can hammer out another revision and= we can re-issue the last call. Or we can just treat this as conventional la= st call feedback. Which do you and the IPP WG prefer? >=20 > Cheers, > Smith > --- >=20 > Smith Kennedy > Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS > Standards - PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum > Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group > HP Inc. >=20 >=20 > On Nov 17, 2017, at 6:34 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: >=20 >> One Apple comment: there is no IANA Considerations section! (and I don't b= elieve I missed this with all of the reviews we did!) >>=20 >> You'll need two subsections to register the new operation and its corresp= onding value, to insert before the current section 8 (references) - the curr= ent reg-template.docx has the necessary text you can copy from: >>=20 >> N IANA Considerations >>=20 >>=20 >> N.1 Type2 enum Registrations >>=20 >> The attributes defined in this registration will be published by IANA acc= ording to the procedures in IPP Model and Semantics [RFC8011] section 7.1 in= the following file: >>=20 >> http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipp-registrations >>=20 >> The registry entries will contain the following information: >>=20 >> Attributes (attribute syntax) >> Enum Value Enum Symbolic Name Reference >> ---------- ------------------ --------- >> operations-supported (1setOf type2 enum) [RFC8011] >> 0x0066 Get-User-Printer-Attributes [IPPGUPA] >>=20 >>=20 >> N.2 Operation Registrations >>=20 >> The attributes defined in this registration will be published by IANA acc= ording to the procedures in IPP/1.1 Model and Semantics [RFC8011] section 7.= 4 in the following file: >>=20 >> http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipp-registrations >>=20 >> The registry entries will contain the following information: >>=20 >> Operation Name Reference >> -------------- --------- >> Get-User-Printer-Attributes [IPPGUPA] >>=20 >>=20 >>>> On Nov 16, 2017, at 10:25 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: >>>=20 >>> All, >>>=20 >>> This message begins the IPP Last Call of the IPP Get-User-Printer-Attrib= utes registration which is available at the following URLs: >>>=20 >>> https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171117.pdf >>> https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippgupa-20171117.odt >>>=20 >>> Please review this registration and respond to the IPP mailing list (rep= ly-all to this message is fine) with any feedback you have for the proposed r= egistration. >>>=20 >>> This IPP Last Call ends at 10pm PT on December 1, 2017. >>>=20 >>> _________________________________________________________ >>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ipp mailing list >>> ipp@pwg.org >>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >>=20 >> _________________________________________________________ >> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --Boundary_(ID_9mguuRcNmfHcpUQnk3GW0g) Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable It isn=E2=80=99t a technical change (just e= ditorial =E2=80=9Cpaperwork=E2=80=9D) so let=E2=80=99s keep going as is...
Sent from my iPhone

On No= v 17, 2017, at 10:02 AM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architec) &= lt;smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrot= e:

Wow, I wonder how I missed that too! I can hammer out another revision and w= e can re-issue the last call. Or we can just treat this as conventional last= call feedback. Which do you and the IPP WG prefer?

Cheers,
Smith
---

  &= nbsp;Smith Kennedy
  &= nbsp;Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS
  &= nbsp;Standards - PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum
  &= nbsp;Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group
  &= nbsp;HP Inc.


On Nov 17, 2017, at 6:34 AM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

One Apple comment: there is no IANA Considerations section! (and I= don't believe I missed this with all of the reviews we did!)

You'll need two subsections to register the new operation and its corr= esponding value, to insert before the current section 8 (references) - the c= urrent reg-template.docx has the necessary text you can copy from:
N IANA Considerations


N.1 Type2 enum Registrations

The attributes defined in this registration will be published by IANA a= ccording to the procedures in IPP Model and Semantics [RFC8011] section 7.1 i= n the following file:

   http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipp-registrations

The registry entries will contain the following information:
   Attributes (attribute syntax)
     Enum Value      = ;Enum Symbolic Name          &n= bsp;          Reference
     ----------      = ;------------------          &n= bsp;          ---------
   operations-supported (1setOf type2 enum)   = ;            &nb= sp; [RFC8011]
     0x0066      &nb= sp;   Get-User-Printer-Attributes     &nb= sp;      [IPPGUPA]


N.2 Operation Registrations

The attributes defined in this registration will be published by IANA a= ccording to the procedures in IPP/1.1 Model and Semantics [RFC8011] section 7= .4 in the following file:

   http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipp-registrations

The registry entries will contain the following information:
   Operation Name       &= nbsp;            = ;            &nb= sp;          Reference
   --------------       &= nbsp;            = ;            &nb= sp;          ---------
   Get-User-Printer-Attributes     =             &nbs= p;            [I= PPGUPA]


On Nov 16, 2017, at 10:25 PM, Michael Sweet &= lt;msweet@apple.com> wrote:

All,

This message begins the IPP Last Call of the= IPP Get-User-Printer-Attributes registration which is available at the foll= owing URLs:

  https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd= -ippgupa-20171117.pdf
  https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd= -ippgupa-20171117.odt

Please review this registration and respond t= o the IPP mailing list (reply-all to this message is fine) with any feedback= you have for the proposed registration.

This IPP Last Call ends at 10pm PT on Decemb= er 1, 2017.

____________________________________________= _____________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engine= er

____________________________________________= ___
ipp mailing list
ipp@pwg.org
https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer

_______________________________________________
ipp mailing list
ipp@pwg.org
https://www.pwg.o= rg/mailman/listinfo/ipp
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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" All, I have posted an updated prototype draft of the IPP System Service v1.0 specification to: http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20171117.docx http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20171117.pdf http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20171117-rev.pdf _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Nov 27 07:02:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ADA6128796 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 07:02:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" All, One question I regularly get from implementors is how to handle so-called "multi-purpose trays" which can function both as a tiny paper tray and as the manual feed source. The question comes up because you don't report manually fed media in "media-col-ready" or "media-ready", but for these trays you can actually load media and tell the printer (via the built-in console) what media was loaded, just as if it was a dedicated paper tray. My guidance has been the following: 1. The 'manual-feed' value of "media-source" requests that the Printer pause for user interaction (to insert the requested media) while 'by-pass-tray' requests that the Printer immediately print using the media from that source (pausing only when the tray is empty or loaded with a different media). 2. Implementations should report two values in the "media-source-supported" Printer Description attribute for so-called multi-purpose trays: 'manual-feed' and 'by-pass-tray'. 3. Likewise, implementations should report two values in the "printer-input-tray" Printer Description attribute, with "type=sheetFeedManual" for the 'manual-feed' source and "type=sheetFeedAutoRemovableTray" or "type=sheetFeedAutoNonRemovableTray" for the 'by-pass-tray' source, as applicable. If there is consensus on this approach, I can write up a (short!) tech brief that we can publish to make it "official", and I can then point people to it... (this should probably be more clearly specified in JPS3, but I have neither the time nor energy to tackle updating *that* document right now... :) _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Nov 27 08:21:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E5512426E for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 08:21:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" and I've posted my proposed (best practice) white paper text here: http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd-sweet-mptray-20171127.docx http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd-sweet-mptray-20171127.pdf > On Nov 27, 2017, at 10:02 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: > > All, > > One question I regularly get from implementors is how to handle so-called "multi-purpose trays" which can function both as a tiny paper tray and as the manual feed source. The question comes up because you don't report manually fed media in "media-col-ready" or "media-ready", but for these trays you can actually load media and tell the printer (via the built-in console) what media was loaded, just as if it was a dedicated paper tray. > > My guidance has been the following: > > 1. The 'manual-feed' value of "media-source" requests that the Printer pause for user interaction (to insert the requested media) while 'by-pass-tray' requests that the Printer immediately print using the media from that source (pausing only when the tray is empty or loaded with a different media). > > 2. Implementations should report two values in the "media-source-supported" Printer Description attribute for so-called multi-purpose trays: 'manual-feed' and 'by-pass-tray'. > > 3. Likewise, implementations should report two values in the "printer-input-tray" Printer Description attribute, with "type=sheetFeedManual" for the 'manual-feed' source and "type=sheetFeedAutoRemovableTray" or "type=sheetFeedAutoNonRemovableTray" for the 'by-pass-tray' source, as applicable. > > If there is consensus on this approach, I can write up a (short!) tech brief that we can publish to make it "official", and I can then point people to it... > > (this should probably be more clearly specified in JPS3, but I have neither the time nor energy to tackle updating *that* document right now... :) > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Tue Nov 28 10:24:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D165C128954 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 10:24:34 -0800 (PST) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BANNED, message contains application/zip,.rar,Anexo-20832927474883.rar,UNDECIPHERABLE X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER SECTION, Non-encoded 8-bit data (char E7 hex): Subject: Or\347amento 856804 -[...] X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 4.645 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.645 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_08=1.651, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.723, RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT=1.449, T_PDS_TO_EQ_FROM_NAME=0.01, T_REMOTE_IMAGE=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gL740Ypax3ak for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 10:24:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from orcamentos-d144.is-a-llama.com (orcamentos-d144.is-a-llama.com [185.43.209.121]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70768128D0F for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 10:24:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by orcamentos-d144.is-a-llama.com (Postfix, from userid 33) id 09EA482C4; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 18:51:25 +0100 (CET) To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Subject: ***UNCHECKED*** =?UTF-8?Q?Or=C3=A7amento?= 856804 - Claudionor Martinez Dos Santos - ME X-PHP-Originating-Script: 0:NOVOANEXO-REMETENTE-RV.php MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="XYZ-281120175125-ZYX" Message-Id: <20171128175125.09EA482C4@orcamentos-d144.is-a-llama.com> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 18:51:25 +0100 (CET) XYZ-281120175125-ZYX --XYZ-281120175125-ZYX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bits Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1"

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X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" All, I'm seeing a lot of questions from users of different IPP-based projects (CUPS, node.js, etc.) that show a fundamental lack of understanding of basic IPP concepts - URIs, attribute syntaxes (types), etc. - and I generally hesitate before pointing them at the various specifications because IPP is such a large, multi-headed beast. Do people have any interest in working on an "IPP for Dummies" document that would provide a beginners (application developer's) guide to IPP? A rough table-of-contents might be: 1. Introduction a. What is IPP? (short history) b. URIs c. Requests/Responses d. Attributes and Groups e. Attribute Syntaxes (types) 2. Print Jobs a. What are Print Jobs? b. Job Description Attributes c. Job Status Attributes d. Job Template Attributes e. Documents 3. Printers a. What are Printers? b. Printer Description Attributes c. Printer Status Attributes d. Printer Capabilities 4. Submitting Print Jobs a. CUPS API Examples b. Node.js API Examples 5. Checking Job and Printer Status a. CUPS API Examples b. Node.js API Examples 6. IPP Map (visual map of IPP specifications) Thoughts? _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Thu Nov 30 13:45:46 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A911294EC for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 13:45:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.788 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.788 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=hp.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0d--sZnyg6gF for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 13:45:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.pwg.org (www.pwg.org [IPv6:2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe70:b03f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E442F1294B2 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 13:45:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by www.pwg.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 6A21D3432; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 21:45:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.pwg.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45CA82689; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 21:45:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: by www.pwg.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 61E7A269F; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 21:45:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from NAM03-DM3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-dm3nam03on0136.outbound.protection.outlook.com [104.47.41.136]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B36B9266B for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 21:45:36 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=HP.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector1-hp-com; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=Bp5+pHXGPXluWQtIPdrwVfedEz/5YA9HfDk1Ra8IlSo=; b=Cxx/s3T7bOY4n73gneiV7jT9VqcBP+Nv22f0+r3HVbJnGP46q58vjJHVz+/d/HrXlVq6J9p1V4x2Q67G1RjFeTEnLLXhhxSTxMrNqznfjpiy/qyZk9HXhxKxzRULsEBOtA15+BDdAly6y36sOnUSvzM5ggcdVcPWB7uKXapiPOY= Received: from DF4PR84MB0284.NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM (10.162.193.22) by DF4PR84MB0282.NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM (10.162.193.20) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P256) id 15.20.197.13; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 21:45:34 +0000 Received: from DF4PR84MB0284.NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM ([10.162.193.22]) by DF4PR84MB0284.NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM ([10.162.193.22]) with mapi id 15.20.0218.017; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 21:45:34 +0000 From: "Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architec)" To: Michael Sweet Thread-Topic: [IPP] Interest in developing an "IPP for Dummies" document? 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X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5044554822997994777==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============5044554822997994777== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1E17132A-D77A-4B47-8B0D-356B02D1279D"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_1E17132A-D77A-4B47-8B0D-356B02D1279D Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_308C00DB-7923-4126-84A1-9D59B27CE249" --Apple-Mail=_308C00DB-7923-4126-84A1-9D59B27CE249 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Mike, I agree we need a document like this and support its creation, and = volunteer to co-author. Others within HP have also expressed interest in = contributing to it. I had hoped that the IPP Implementor's Guide v2 was = going to provide some of this. But an "IPP Basics" document like what = you describe below is really a better first starting point, which then = may refer the reader to IPP Implementor's Guide v2. Perhaps the examples = you discuss below should also be done using "ipptool" / "ippserver"? Smith /** Smith Kennedy Wireless & Standards Architect - IPG-PPS Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC = Forum / USB-IF Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group HP Inc. */ > On Nov 30, 2017, at 1:10 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: >=20 > All, >=20 > I'm seeing a lot of questions from users of different IPP-based = projects (CUPS, node.js, etc.) that show a fundamental lack of = understanding of basic IPP concepts - URIs, attribute syntaxes (types), = etc. - and I generally hesitate before pointing them at the various = specifications because IPP is such a large, multi-headed beast. >=20 > Do people have any interest in working on an "IPP for Dummies" = document that would provide a beginners (application developer's) guide = to IPP? A rough table-of-contents might be: >=20 > 1. Introduction > a. What is IPP? (short history) > b. URIs > c. Requests/Responses > d. Attributes and Groups > e. Attribute Syntaxes (types) > 2. Print Jobs > a. What are Print Jobs? > b. Job Description Attributes > c. Job Status Attributes > d. Job Template Attributes > e. Documents > 3. Printers > a. What are Printers? > b. Printer Description Attributes > c. Printer Status Attributes > d. Printer Capabilities > 4. Submitting Print Jobs > a. CUPS API Examples > b. Node.js API Examples > 5. Checking Job and Printer Status > a. CUPS API Examples > b. Node.js API Examples > 6. IPP Map > (visual map of IPP specifications) >=20 > Thoughts? >=20 > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --Apple-Mail=_308C00DB-7923-4126-84A1-9D59B27CE249 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi = Mike,

I agree we = need a document like this and support its creation, and volunteer to = co-author. Others within HP have also expressed interest in contributing = to it. I had hoped that the IPP Implementor's Guide v2 was going to = provide some of this. But an "IPP Basics" document like what you = describe below is really a better first starting point, which then may = refer the reader to IPP Implementor's Guide v2. Perhaps the examples you = discuss below should also be done using "ipptool" / = "ippserver"?

Smith

/**
  =   Smith Kennedy
    Wireless & = Standards Architect - IPG-PPS
    Standards - = IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum / = USB-IF
    Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working = Group
    HP Inc.
*/



On Nov 30, 2017, at 1:10 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> = wrote:

All,

I'm seeing a lot of = questions from users of different IPP-based projects (CUPS, node.js, = etc.) that show a fundamental lack of understanding of basic IPP = concepts - URIs, attribute syntaxes (types), etc. - and I generally = hesitate before pointing them at the various specifications because IPP = is such a large, multi-headed beast.

Do = people have any interest in working on an "IPP for Dummies" document = that would provide a beginners (application developer's) guide to IPP? =  A rough table-of-contents might be:

1. = Introduction
  a. What is IPP? (short = history)
  b. URIs
=   c. Requests/Responses
  d. = Attributes and Groups
  e. Attribute Syntaxes = (types)
2. Print Jobs
  a. What = are Print Jobs?
  b. Job Description = Attributes
  c. Job Status Attributes
  d. Job Template Attributes
=   e. Documents
3. Printers
=   a. What are Printers?
  b. Printer = Description Attributes
  c. Printer Status = Attributes
  d. Printer Capabilities
4. Submitting Print Jobs
  a. CUPS = API Examples
  b. Node.js API Examples
5. Checking Job and Printer Status
=   a. CUPS API Examples
  b. Node.js = API Examples
6. IPP Map
  (visual = map of IPP specifications)

Thoughts?

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer

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(ptykodi@tykodi.com@174.192.20.44) by 0 with ESMTPA; 30 Nov 2017 22:18:16 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Paul Tykodi X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14G60) In-Reply-To: <9C52CDCF-AB2D-4450-AA2C-526F092C99D9@hp.com> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 17:18:15 -0500 Message-Id: <53FD5445-3F24-4240-A72D-19FE49AF1B11@tykodi.com> References: <792D6632-E17D-4139-A59D-B663C7210033@apple.com> <9C52CDCF-AB2D-4450-AA2C-526F092C99D9@hp.com> To: "Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architec)" Cc: PWG IPP WG Reflector Subject: Re: [IPP] Interest in developing an "IPP for Dummies" document? X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3671706550159782774==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============3671706550159782774== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-613B76F8-AF92-4A40-BD6C-AA74F6DF186E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-613B76F8-AF92-4A40-BD6C-AA74F6DF186E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Smith, I also agree this is a good idea. I think we should consider developing a 3D focused chapter as well. I volunteer to generate some content for a potential 3D chapter in the event= it is accepted as part of the document. Best Regards, /Paul Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 30, 2017, at 4:45 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architec= ) wrote: >=20 > Hi Mike, >=20 > I agree we need a document like this and support its creation, and volunte= er to co-author. Others within HP have also expressed interest in contributi= ng to it. I had hoped that the IPP Implementor's Guide v2 was going to provi= de some of this. But an "IPP Basics" document like what you describe below i= s really a better first starting point, which then may refer the reader to I= PP Implementor's Guide v2. Perhaps the examples you discuss below should als= o be done using "ipptool" / "ippserver"? >=20 > Smith >=20 > /** > Smith Kennedy > Wireless & Standards Architect - IPG-PPS > Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum= / USB-IF > Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group > HP Inc. > */ >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Nov 30, 2017, at 1:10 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: >>=20 >> All, >>=20 >> I'm seeing a lot of questions from users of different IPP-based projects (= CUPS, node.js, etc.) that show a fundamental lack of understanding of basic I= PP concepts - URIs, attribute syntaxes (types), etc. - and I generally hesit= ate before pointing them at the various specifications because IPP is such a= large, multi-headed beast. >>=20 >> Do people have any interest in working on an "IPP for Dummies" document t= hat would provide a beginners (application developer's) guide to IPP? A rou= gh table-of-contents might be: >>=20 >> 1. Introduction >> a. What is IPP? (short history) >> b. URIs >> c. Requests/Responses >> d. Attributes and Groups >> e. Attribute Syntaxes (types) >> 2. Print Jobs >> a. What are Print Jobs? >> b. Job Description Attributes >> c. Job Status Attributes >> d. Job Template Attributes >> e. Documents >> 3. Printers >> a. What are Printers? >> b. Printer Description Attributes >> c. Printer Status Attributes >> d. Printer Capabilities >> 4. Submitting Print Jobs >> a. CUPS API Examples >> b. Node.js API Examples >> 5. Checking Job and Printer Status >> a. CUPS API Examples >> b. Node.js API Examples >> 6. IPP Map >> (visual map of IPP specifications) >>=20 >> Thoughts? >>=20 >> _________________________________________________________ >> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --Apple-Mail-613B76F8-AF92-4A40-BD6C-AA74F6DF186E Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Smith,

I also agree this is a good= idea.

I think we should consider developing a 3D focused chapter as well.<= /div>

I volunteer to generate some content for a potential 3D chapter in the even= t it is accepted as part of the document.

Best Regards,

/Paul

Sent f= rom my iPhone

On Nov 30, 2017, at 4:45 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wir= eless & Standards Architec) <= smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:

<= div>Hi Mike,

I agree we n= eed a document like this and support its creation, and volunteer to co-autho= r. Others within HP have also expressed interest in contributing to it. I ha= d hoped that the IPP Implementor's Guide v2 was going to provide some of thi= s. But an "IPP Basics" document like what you describe below is really a bet= ter first starting point, which then may refer the reader to IPP Implementor= 's Guide v2. Perhaps the examples you discuss below should also be done usin= g "ipptool" / "ippserver"?

Smith

/**
    Smith Kennedy
   = Wireless & Standards Architect - IPG-PPS
    St= andards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum / U= SB-IF
    Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group
    HP Inc.
*/



On N= ov 30, 2017, at 1:10 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

All,

I'm seeing a lot of questions from users of different IPP-based projects (= CUPS, node.js, etc.) that show a fundamental lack of understanding of basic I= PP concepts - URIs, attribute syntaxes (types), etc. - and I generally hesit= ate before pointing them at the various specifications because IPP is such a= large, multi-headed beast.

Do people have any i= nterest in working on an "IPP for Dummies" document that would provide a beg= inners (application developer's) guide to IPP?  A rough table-of-conten= ts might be:

1. Introduction
&nb= sp; a. What is IPP? (short history)
  b. URIs<= br class=3D"">   c. Requests/Responses
  = d. Attributes and Groups
  e. Attribute Syntaxes (t= ypes)
2. Print Jobs
  a. What are Pri= nt Jobs?
  b. Job Description Attributes
  c. Job Status Attributes
  d. Job T= emplate Attributes
  e. Documents
3. P= rinters
  a. What are Printers?
&nbs= p; b. Printer Description Attributes
  c. Prin= ter Status Attributes
  d. Printer Capabilities
4. Submitting Print Jobs
  a. CUPS API Ex= amples
  b. Node.js API Examples
5. C= hecking Job and Printer Status
  a. CUPS API Exampl= es
  b. Node.js API Examples
6. IPP M= ap
  (visual map of IPP specifications)

Thoughts?

___________________= ______________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior P= rinting System Engineer

_______________________= ________________________
ipp mailing list
ipp@pwg.org
https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listi= nfo/ipp

__________________= _____________________________
ipp mailing list
ipp@pwg.org
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X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5278823881760174074==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============5278823881760174074== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_FC60E9CE-FE2F-4DBF-88BF-6DE5FBD26A3B_" --_FC60E9CE-FE2F-4DBF-88BF-6DE5FBD26A3B_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" All, Interesting project. We could argue the outline order a bit. Although a cle= ar presentation the basics is necessary, IPP as a way to interface with pr= inters (lower case, hardcopy image-making device) has been around for ages = and probably would not cause much excitement. Perhaps there would be more i= nterest (and there certainly is more need) in aspects where there is not m= uch implementation (and great potential); infra/cloud and scanning/image h= andling. And I wonder how much interest there would be from application de= velopers without first getting their managers aware of the product advantag= es? Bill Wagner From: Paul Tykodi Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 5:18 PM To: Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architec) Cc: PWG IPP WG Reflector Subject: Re: [IPP] Interest in developing an "IPP for Dummies" document? Hi Smith, I also agree this is a good idea. I think we should consider developing a 3D focused chapter as well. I volunteer to generate some content for a potential 3D chapter in the even= t it is accepted as part of the document. Best Regards, /Paul Sent from my iPhone On Nov 30, 2017, at 4:45 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architec)= wrote: Hi Mike, I agree we need a document like this and support its creation, and voluntee= r to co-author. Others within HP have also expressed interest in contributi= ng to it. I had hoped that the IPP Implementor's Guide v2 was going to prov= ide some of this. But an "IPP Basics" document like what you describe below= is really a better first starting point, which then may refer the reader t= o IPP Implementor's Guide v2. Perhaps the examples you discuss below should= also be done using "ipptool" / "ippserver"? Smith /** =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Smith Kennedy =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Wireless & Standards Architect - IPG-PPS =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi=C2=A0Allian= ce / NFC Forum / USB-IF =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group =C2=A0 =C2=A0 HP Inc. */ On Nov 30, 2017, at 1:10 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: All, I'm seeing a lot of questions from users of different IPP-based projects (C= UPS, node.js, etc.) that show a fundamental lack of understanding of basic = IPP concepts - URIs, attribute syntaxes (types), etc. - and I generally hes= itate before pointing them at the various specifications because IPP is suc= h a large, multi-headed beast. Do people have any interest in working on an "IPP for Dummies" document tha= t would provide a beginners (application developer's) guide to IPP? =C2=A0A= rough table-of-contents might be: 1. Introduction =C2=A0=C2=A0a. What is IPP? (short history) =C2=A0=C2=A0b. URIs =C2=A0=C2=A0c. Requests/Responses =C2=A0=C2=A0d. Attributes and Groups =C2=A0=C2=A0e. Attribute Syntaxes (types) 2. Print Jobs =C2=A0=C2=A0a. What are Print Jobs? =C2=A0=C2=A0b. Job Description Attributes =C2=A0=C2=A0c. Job Status Attributes =C2=A0=C2=A0d. Job Template Attributes =C2=A0=C2=A0e. Documents 3. Printers =C2=A0=C2=A0a. What are Printers? =C2=A0=C2=A0b. Printer Description Attributes =C2=A0=C2=A0c. Printer Status Attributes =C2=A0=C2=A0d. Printer Capabilities 4. Submitting Print Jobs =C2=A0=C2=A0a. CUPS API Examples =C2=A0=C2=A0b. Node.js API Examples 5. Checking Job and Printer Status =C2=A0=C2=A0a. CUPS API Examples =C2=A0=C2=A0b. Node.js API Examples 6. IPP Map =C2=A0=C2=A0(visual map of IPP specifications) Thoughts? _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --_FC60E9CE-FE2F-4DBF-88BF-6DE5FBD26A3B_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"

All,

Interes= ting project. We could argue the outline order a bit. Although a clear pres= entation the basics is necessary, IPP =C2=A0as a way to interface with prin= ters (lower case, hardcopy image-making device) has been around for ages an= d probably would not cause much excitement. Perhaps there would be more int= erest (and there certainly is more need) in aspects =C2=A0where there is no= t much implementation (and =C2=A0great potential); infra/cloud and scanning= /image handling. And I wonder how much=C2=A0 interest there would be from a= pplication developers without first getting their managers aware of the pro= duct advantages?

Bill Wagner

 

From: Paul Tykodi
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017= 5:18 PM
To: Kennedy, Smi= th (Wireless & Standards Architec)
Cc: PWG IPP WG Reflector
Subject: Re: [IPP] Interest= in developing an "IPP for Dummies" document?

 

Hi Smith,=

 

=

I also agree this i= s a good idea.

 

I think we should consider developing a 3D focused chapter as = well.

 

I volunteer to generate some content for a potential 3D chapter in the e= vent it is accepted as part of the document.

 

Best Regards,

 

/Paul

Sent fro= m my iPhone


On Nov 30, 2017, at 4:45 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless &am= p; Standards Architec) <smith.ke= nnedy@hp.com> wrote:

Hi Mike,

 

I agree we need a document like this and support its creation, an= d volunteer to co-author. Others within HP have also expressed interest in = contributing to it. I had hoped that the IPP Implementor's Guide v2 was goi= ng to provide some of this. But an "IPP Basics" document like wha= t you describe below is really a better first starting point, which then ma= y refer the reader to IPP Implementor's Guide v2. Perhaps the examples you = discuss below should also be done using "ipptool" / "ippserv= er"?

 

Smith

/**
    Smith Kennedy
&n= bsp;   Wireless & Standards Architect - IPG-PPS
    S= tandards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum = / USB-IF
    Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group
  =   HP Inc.
*/



On Nov 30, 2017, at 1:1= 0 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.co= m> wrote:

 =

All,

I'm seeing a lot of question= s from users of different IPP-based projects (CUPS, node.js, etc.) that sho= w a fundamental lack of understanding of basic IPP concepts - URIs, attribu= te syntaxes (types), etc. - and I generally hesitate before pointing them a= t the various specifications because IPP is such a large, multi-headed beas= t.

Do people have any interest in working on an "IPP for Dummie= s" document that would provide a beginners (application developer's) g= uide to IPP?  A rough table-of-contents might be:

1. Introducti= on
  a. What is IPP? (short history)
  b. URIs  c. Requests/Responses
  d. Attributes and Groups<= br>  e. Attribute Syntaxes (types)
2. Print Jobs
 &nbs= p;a. What are Print Jobs?
  b. Job Description Attributes
&= nbsp; c. Job Status Attributes
  d. Job Template Attribut= es
  e. Documents
3. Printers
  a. What are Pr= inters?
  b. Printer Description Attributes
  c. = Printer Status Attributes
  d. Printer Capabilities
4. Subm= itting Print Jobs
  a. CUPS API Examples
  b. Nod= e.js API Examples
5. Checking Job and Printer Status
  a. C= UPS API Examples
  b. Node.js API Examples
6. IPP Map
&n= bsp; (visual map of IPP specifications)

Thoughts?

______= ___________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senio= r Printing System Engineer

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ipp@pwg.org
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