From owner-ietf-ipsra@mail.vpnc.org Tue Jan 2 14:08:34 2001 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id OAA21575 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:08:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12407 for ietf-ipsra-bks; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:14:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from potassium.network-alchemy.com (Potassium.Network-Alchemy.COM [199.46.17.146]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12392; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:14:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from sodium.network-alchemy.com (localhost.Network-Alchemy.COM [127.0.0.1]) by potassium.network-alchemy.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06933; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:13:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dharkins@network-alchemy.com) Message-Id: <200101021813.KAA06933@potassium.network-alchemy.com> To: Paul Hoffman / VPNC cc: ietf-ipsra@vpnc.org Subject: Re: Preliminary minutes In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:41:58 PST." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <6930.978459220.1@network-alchemy.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 10:13:40 -0800 From: Dan Harkins Sender: owner-ietf-ipsra@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: It will have to use a new port/protocol. CRACK originally used a new ISAKMP exchange type but that ran foul of the dictat from our AD: "No changes to IKE". Dan. On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:41:58 PST you wrote > > ** PIC document > draft-ietf-ipsra-pic-01.txt has many changes from -00. It now uses > EAP (RFC 2284) instead of XAuth, it uses a new ISAKMP exchange type, > and it eliminates one round trip. A comment from the floor indicated > that PIC will be open to the same attacks as agressive-mode IKE. From owner-ietf-ipsra@mail.vpnc.org Tue Jan 2 14:52:23 2001 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id OAA22190 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:52:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17432 for ietf-ipsra-bks; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 11:07:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-green.research.att.com (H-135-207-30-103.research.att.com [135.207.30.103]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17427 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 11:07:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from postal.research.att.com (postal.research.att.com [135.207.23.30]) by mail-green.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09211E002; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:11:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smb.research.att.com (postal.research.att.com [135.207.23.30]) by postal.research.att.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA12140; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:11:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from smb.research.att.com (localhost.research.att.com [127.0.0.1]) by smb.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B2335DC2; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:11:50 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with version: MH 6.8.3 #1[UCI] From: "Steven M. Bellovin" To: "Yaron Sheffer" Cc: "Tero Kivinen" , "Linn, John" , ietf-ipsra@vpnc.org Subject: Re: SecurID(r) tokens and multi-step authentication exchanges Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 14:11:46 -0500 Message-Id: <20010102191150.86B2335DC2@smb.research.att.com> Sender: owner-ietf-ipsra@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: In message , "Yaron Sh effer" writes: >Hi Tero, > >I'm not sure I want to be drawn into a theological discussion, but anyway. > >For a security protocol, you want to use: > >1. Standard building blocks. >2. Building blocks that are (or have been) implemented with security in >mind. > >(1) would point you towards SASL or EAP, rather than HTTP plus CGI >scripting. I'd call http far more standard; ditto SSL. > >(2) implies you want to reduce your reliance on "general" standards that may >have hidden security problems, either in protocol or implementation. You can >reasonably expect that a typical *implementation* of IKE is more secure than >a typical implementation of HTTP. Why? --Steve Bellovin From owner-ietf-ipsra@mail.vpnc.org Wed Jan 3 00:19:20 2001 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id AAA28112 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 00:19:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11062 for ietf-ipsra-bks; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:36:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [165.227.249.17] (ip17.proper.com [165.227.249.17]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11057; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:36:27 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: phoffvpnc@mail.vpnc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200101021813.KAA06933@potassium.network-alchemy.com> References: <200101021813.KAA06933@potassium.network-alchemy.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:39:24 -0800 To: Dan Harkins From: Paul Hoffman / VPNC Subject: Re: Preliminary minutes Cc: ietf-ipsra@vpnc.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-ietf-ipsra@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: At 10:13 AM -0800 1/2/01, Dan Harkins wrote: > It will have to use a new port/protocol. CRACK originally used a >new ISAKMP exchange type but that ran foul of the dictat from our AD: >"No changes to IKE". There is huge difference. CRACK is only useful within IKE; the ISAKMP exchange is within PIC itself. The protocols that use ISAKMP other than IKE should be able to adopt CRACK freely. --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium From owner-ietf-ipsra@mail.vpnc.org Thu Jan 4 15:54:43 2001 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id PAA15924 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:54:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05979 for ietf-ipsra-bks; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:01:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [165.227.249.17] (ip17.proper.com [165.227.249.17]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05975 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:01:20 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: phoffvpnc@mail.vpnc.org Message-Id: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:04:56 -0800 To: ietf-ipsra@vpnc.org From: Paul Hoffman / VPNC Subject: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipsec-dhcp-09.txt Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-ietf-ipsra@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: >To: IETF-Announce: ; >Cc: ipsec@lists.tislabs.com >From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org >Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org >Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipsec-dhcp-09.txt >Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 07:25:52 -0500 >Sender: nsyracus@cnri.reston.va.us > > > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >directories. >This draft is a work item of the IP Security Protocol Working Group >of the IETF. > > Title : DHCPv4 Configuration of IPSEC Tunnel Mode > Author(s) : B. Patel, B. Aboba, S. Kelly, V. Gupta > Filename : draft-ietf-ipsec-dhcp-09.txt > Pages : 15 > Date : 03-Jan-01 > >In many remote access scenarios, a mechanism for making the remote host >appear to be present on the local corporate network is quite useful. >This may be accomplished by assigning the host a 'virtual' address from >the corporate network, and then tunneling traffic via Ipsec from the >host's ISP-assigned address to the corporate security gateway. The >Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) provides for such remote host >configuration. This draft explores the requirements for host >configuration in IPSEC tunnel mode, and describes how the DHCP protocol >may be leveraged for configuration in this case. > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipsec-dhcp-09.txt > >Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username >"anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, >type "cd internet-drafts" and then > "get draft-ietf-ipsec-dhcp-09.txt". > >A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in >http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html >or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > >Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > >Send a message to: > mailserv@ietf.org. >In the body type: > "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipsec-dhcp-09.txt". > >NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > how to manipulate these messages. > > >Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader >implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the >Internet-Draft. > > >[The following attachment must be fetched by mail. Command-click the >URL below and send the resulting message to get the attachment.] > >[The following attachment must be fetched by ftp. Command-click the >URL below to ask your ftp client to fetch it.] > --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium From owner-ietf-ipsra@mail.vpnc.org Mon Jan 15 08:22:46 2001 Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id IAA04074 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:22:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19269 for ietf-ipsra-bks; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 04:31:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from michael.checkpoint.com (michael.checkpoint.com [199.203.73.68]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA19261; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 04:31:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from gray (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by michael.checkpoint.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA26028; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:32:18 +0200 (IST) From: "Moshe Litvin" To: "'Yaron Sheffer'" , "'Paul Hoffman / VPNC'" , Subject: RE: Preliminary minutes Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:32:16 +0200 Message-ID: <003601c07eef$325e0580$0b8d96d4@checkpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-ietf-ipsra@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yaron Sheffer wrote: > By requirement, PIC (or getcert) allow anonymous users to > initiate a secure > connection. Any protocol allowing this is open to DoS attacks. This analyses is not entirely true. Aggressive mode based protocol require the initiator to prove nothing before the server start heavy computations. On the other main mode based protocol (or base mode or TCP) require the initiator to prove that he is able to receive packets. This is not a lot in cryptographic terms, but it does mean that he cannot choose an entirely bogus source address. This make it easier to trace such attack and even block them. Moshe From owner-ietf-ipsra@mail.vpnc.org Wed Jan 17 08:46:15 2001 Received: from ns.secondary.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id IAA17504 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:46:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA29319 for ietf-ipsra-bks; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 04:53:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA29312 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 04:53:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA16247; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:58:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200101171258.HAA16247@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: ietf-ipsra@vpnc.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipsra-reqmts-03.txt Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:58:52 -0500 Sender: owner-ietf-ipsra@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Security Remote Access Working Group of the IETF. Title : Requirements for IPsec Remote Access Scenarios Author(s) : S. Kelly, S. Ramamoorthi Filename : draft-ietf-ipsra-reqmts-03.txt Pages : 36 Date : 16-Jan-01 IPsec offers much promise as a secure remote access mechanism. However, there are a significant number of remote access scenarios, each having some shared and some unique requirements. A thorough understanding of these requirements is necessary in order to effectively evaluate the suitability of a specific set of mechanisms for any particular remote access scenario. This document enumerates the requirements for a number of common remote access scenarios. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipsra-reqmts-03.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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draft-ietf-ipsec-dhcp-09.txt Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-ietf-ipsra@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Although this document is not formally part of the IPSRA WG, we should do a last call here, since we are the closest to the real thing for this document. If you haven't read it, please do so: . We should pass this on to the ADs within two weeks. --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium