From nobody Fri Mar 3 15:57:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: its@ietf.org Delivered-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F12C31299AA; Fri, 3 Mar 2017 15:55:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.46.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148858532398.15846.3312024313145861460.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2017 15:55:23 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com, its@ietf.org Subject: [ipwave] ipwave - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 98 X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: IPWAVE - IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments WG at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2017 23:55:24 -0000 Dear Russ Housley, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. ipwave Session 1 (1:30:00) Friday, Morning Session I 0900-1130 Room Name: Zurich E/F size: 200 --------------------------------------------- Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments Area Name: Internet Area Session Requester: Russ Housley Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 100 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: l2sm saag rtgarea manet 6man 6lo intarea stir lamps nfvrg sdnrg detnet Second Priority: lime isis i2nsf ospf roll dhc cfrg sfc People who must be present: Russ Housley Suresh Krishnan Carlos J. Bernardos Resources Requested: Projector in room Meetecho support in room Experimental room setup (boardroom and classroom) subject to availability Special Requests: We are interested in experimenting with a classroom setup (no boardroom). --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Sun Mar 12 09:57:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC8C129412 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 09:57:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.333 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.333 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jrWANqPZ6cGD for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 09:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sainfoin-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr (sainfoin-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr [132.167.192.228]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA18F1293F4 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 09:57:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by sainfoin-sys.extra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id v2CGv8d7048266; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 17:57:08 +0100 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id BC064202F08; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 17:57:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from muguet1.intra.cea.fr (muguet1.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.6]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA02201555; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 17:57:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from [132.166.84.164] ([132.166.84.164]) by muguet1.intra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.4) with ESMTP id v2CGv7Sx011786; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 17:57:08 +0100 To: dickroy@alum.mit.edu References: <148760815996.26105.11019844131535465220.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <81bdbc7d-73b5-3d80-652b-a5bdcafe6b7e@cea.fr> <1581897D14634B82A973F515F80C082F@SRA6> From: Alexandre Petrescu Message-ID: <4f043b87-ad8f-7b29-8b20-17599703aec6@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 17:57:04 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1581897D14634B82A973F515F80C082F@SRA6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "its@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-01.txt - Ethernet Adaptation Layer X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IPWAVE - IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments WG at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 16:57:17 -0000 Dick, I hope now your postings will show up on the email list. Le 21/02/2017 à 03:47, Dick Roy a écrit : > Alex, > > Attached is a doc with some of my initial comments. I thought I > should get it to you ASAP as there are significant issues surrounding > the LLC sublayer and EPD operation throughout the draft that should > be fixed. In particular, the Ethernet Adaptation Layer doesn't > really exist above the 802.11 MAC sublayer ... anywhere. It's all > LLC sublayer operation. The adaptation to which you refer happens in > bridges that connect 802.11 links to Ethernet-based LANs. The "Ethernet Adaptation Layer" I am describing is a new name. But the behaviour is there for many years in implementations. Implementations adapt between 802.11 Headers and Ethernet II Headers. This adaptation is not only happening in a bridge. It als happening in a computer with a single WiFi interface: the Ethernet Adaptation Layer adapts between 802.11 Headers and EthernetII Headers in that computer. The IP stack sees only the EthernetII Headers. This is illustrated in the following figure copied from the draft. Do you agree with this concept of "Ethernet Adaptation Layer"? +--------------------+-------------+-------------+---------+ | 802.11 Data Header | LLC Header | IPv6 Header | Payload | +--------------------+-------------+-------------+---------+ ^ | 802.11-to-Ethernet Adaptation Layer | v +---------------------+-------------+---------+ | Ethernet II Header | IPv6 Header | Payload | +---------------------+-------------+---------+ Alex > > Cheers, > > RR > > -----Original Message----- From: its [mailto:its-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Alexandre Petrescu Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 8:41 AM > To: its@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: > draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-01.txt > > Hello IPWAVErs, > > I submitted this -01 version addressing comments we received so far: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-01 > > Please comment. We could still discuss and make a better -02 before > the deadline for Chicago. > > This is the changelog: o Introduced message exchange diagram > illustrating differences between 802.11 and 802.11 in OCB mode. o > Introduced an appendix listing for information the list of 802.11 > messages that may be transmitted in OCB mode. o Removed appendix > sections "Privacy Requirements", "Authentication Requirements" and > "Security Certificate Generation". o Removed appendix section "Non IP > Communications". o Introductory phrase in the Security Considerations > section. o Improved the definition of "OCB". o Introduced theoretical > stacked layers about IPv6 and IEEE layers including EPD. o Removed > the appendix describing the details of prohibiting IPv6 on certain > channels relevant to 802.11-OCB. o Added a brief reference in the > privacy text about a precise clause in IEEE 1609.3 and .4. o > Clarified the definition of a Road Side Unit. o Removed the > discussion about security of WSA (because is non-IP). o Removed > mentioning of the GeoNetworking discussion. o Moved references to > scientific articles to a separate 'overview' draft, and referred to > it. > > Alex > > Le 20/02/2017 à 17:29, internet-drafts@ietf.org a écrit : >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. >> This draft is a work item of the IP Wireless Access in Vehicular > Environments of the IETF. >> >> Title : Transmission of IPv6 Packets over IEEE 802.11 > Networks in mode Outside the Context of a Basic Service Set > (IPv6-over-80211ocb) >> Authors : Alexandre Petrescu Nabil Benamar Jérôme Härri >> Christian Huitema Jong-Hyouk Lee Thierry Ernst Tony Li Filename >> : draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-01.txt Pages : 32 >> Date : 2017-02-20 >> >> Abstract: In order to transmit IPv6 packets on IEEE 802.11 networks >> run outside the context of a basic service set (OCB, earlier >> "802.11p") there is a need to define a few parameters such as the >> recommended Maximum Transmission Unit size, the header format >> preceding the IPv6 header, the Type value within it, and others. >> This document describes these parameters for IPv6 and IEEE 802.11 >> OCB networks; it portrays the layering of IPv6 on 802.11 OCB >> similarly to other known 802.11 and Ethernet layers - by using an >> Ethernet Adaptation Layer. >> >> In addition, the document attempts to list what is different in >> 802.11 OCB (802.11p) compared to more 'traditional' 802.11a/b/g/n >> layers, layers over which IPv6 protocols operates without issues. >> Most notably, the operation outside the context of a BSS (OCB) has >> impact on IPv6 handover behaviour and on IPv6 security. >> >> An example of an IPv6 packet captured while transmitted over an >> IEEE 802.11 OCB link (802.11p) is given. >> >> >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb/ >> >> >> There's also a htmlized version available at: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-01 >> >> >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-01 >> >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at >> tools.ietf.org. >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> >> _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce >> mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft >> directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt >> > From nobody Sun Mar 12 10:04:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BDE312941E for ; 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Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:04:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from muguet2.intra.cea.fr (muguet2.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.7]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 133222011FE; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:04:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from [132.166.84.190] ([132.166.84.190]) by muguet2.intra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.4) with ESMTP id v2CH4TrV014247; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:04:29 +0100 To: dickroy@alum.mit.edu References: <148760815996.26105.11019844131535465220.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <81bdbc7d-73b5-3d80-652b-a5bdcafe6b7e@cea.fr> <1581897D14634B82A973F515F80C082F@SRA6> From: Alexandre Petrescu Message-ID: <8f6f3314-5b9b-7956-0353-03cdf9fc077b@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:04:24 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1581897D14634B82A973F515F80C082F@SRA6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: thierry.ernst@yogoko.fr, its@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-01.txt - handover paragraph X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IPWAVE - IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments WG at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 17:04:36 -0000 Dick, Please refer to this document when commenting: draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-01.txt If I understand your Word correctly, you propose the addition of the following paragraph at the end of the introduction section. > [RR1]There are currently no specifications for handover between OCB > links since these are currently specified as LLC-1 links (i.e. > connectionless). Any handovers must be performed above the Data > Link Layer. Also, while there is no encryption applied below the > network layer using 802.11p, 16092 does provide security services > for applications to use so that there can easily be data security > over the air w/o invoking IPsec. If yes, then I will add it after this existing paragraph in the Introduction: > However, there may be some deployment considerations helping > optimize the performances of running IPv6 over 802.11-OCB (e.g. in > the case of handovers between 802.11 OCB-enabled access routers, or > the consideration of using the IP security layer). And remember that the "handover" description was moved out of the document. Yours, Alex Le 21/02/2017 à 03:47, Dick Roy a écrit : > Alex, > > Attached is a doc with some of my initial comments. I thought I > should get it to you ASAP as there are significant issues > surrounding the LLC sublayer and EPD operation throughout the draft > that should be fixed. In particular, the Ethernet Adaptation Layer > doesn't really exist above the 802.11 MAC sublayer ... anywhere. > It's all LLC sublayer operation. The adaptation to which you refer > happens in bridges that connect 802.11 links to Ethernet-based LANs. > > Cheers, > > RR > > -----Original Message----- From: its [mailto:its-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of Alexandre Petrescu Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 8:41 > AM To: its@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: > draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-01.txt > > Hello IPWAVErs, > > I submitted this -01 version addressing comments we received so far: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-01 > > Please comment. We could still discuss and make a better -02 before > the deadline for Chicago. > > This is the changelog: o Introduced message exchange diagram > illustrating differences between 802.11 and 802.11 in OCB mode. o > Introduced an appendix listing for information the list of 802.11 > messages that may be transmitted in OCB mode. o Removed appendix > sections "Privacy Requirements", "Authentication Requirements" and > "Security Certificate Generation". o Removed appendix section "Non > IP Communications". o Introductory phrase in the Security > Considerations section. o Improved the definition of "OCB". o > Introduced theoretical stacked layers about IPv6 and IEEE layers > including EPD. o Removed the appendix describing the details of > prohibiting IPv6 on certain channels relevant to 802.11-OCB. o Added > a brief reference in the privacy text about a precise clause in IEEE > 1609.3 and .4. o Clarified the definition of a Road Side Unit. o > Removed the discussion about security of WSA (because is non-IP). o > Removed mentioning of the GeoNetworking discussion. o Moved > references to scientific articles to a separate 'overview' draft, and > referred to it. > > Alex > > Le 20/02/2017 à 17:29, internet-drafts@ietf.org a écrit : >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. >> This draft is a work item of the IP Wireless Access in Vehicular > Environments of the IETF. >> >> Title : Transmission of IPv6 Packets over IEEE 802.11 > Networks in mode Outside the Context of a Basic Service Set > (IPv6-over-80211ocb) >> Authors : Alexandre Petrescu Nabil Benamar Jérôme Härri >> Christian Huitema Jong-Hyouk Lee Thierry Ernst Tony Li Filename : >> draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-01.txt Pages : 32 >> Date : 2017-02-20 >> >> Abstract: In order to transmit IPv6 packets on IEEE 802.11 >> networks run outside the context of a basic service set (OCB, >> earlier "802.11p") there is a need to define a few parameters such >> as the recommended Maximum Transmission Unit size, the header >> format preceding the IPv6 header, the Type value within it, and >> others. This document describes these parameters for IPv6 and IEEE >> 802.11 OCB networks; it portrays the layering of IPv6 on 802.11 >> OCB similarly to other known 802.11 and Ethernet layers - by using >> an Ethernet Adaptation Layer. >> >> In addition, the document attempts to list what is different in >> 802.11 OCB (802.11p) compared to more 'traditional' 802.11a/b/g/n >> layers, layers over which IPv6 protocols operates without issues. >> Most notably, the operation outside the context of a BSS (OCB) has >> impact on IPv6 handover behaviour and on IPv6 security. >> >> An example of an IPv6 packet captured while transmitted over an >> IEEE 802.11 OCB link (802.11p) is given. >> >> >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb/ >> >> >> >> There's also a htmlized version available at: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-01 >> >> >> >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-01 >> >> >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at >> tools.ietf.org. >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> >> _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce >> mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft >> directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt >> > From nobody Sun Mar 12 10:43:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5994129458 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 10:43:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.77 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.77 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J8QRBGEGs841 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 10:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oxalide-out.extra.cea.fr (oxalide-out.extra.cea.fr [132.168.224.8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59164128AC9 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 10:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by oxalide.extra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.4) with ESMTP id v2CHh8sR006058; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:43:08 +0100 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 5B8D920B895; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:43:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from muguet1.intra.cea.fr (muguet1.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.6]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C6D3205514; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:43:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from [132.166.84.59] ([132.166.84.59]) by muguet1.intra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.4) with ESMTP id v2CHh7Zd013753; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:43:07 +0100 From: Alexandre Petrescu To: Michelle Wetterwald References: <148760815996.26105.11019844131535465220.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <81bdbc7d-73b5-3d80-652b-a5bdcafe6b7e@cea.fr> Organization: CEA Message-ID: <090daec2-3b90-c8d2-1f4c-3c36f694bbcc@cea.fr> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:43:03 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms040101090808060400030506" Archived-At: Cc: "its@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-01.txt - par removed from Introduction X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IPWAVE - IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments WG at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 17:43:13 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040101090808060400030506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michelle, I copy the list on this conversation. Following your questioning, I propose to remove the following paragrap from the introduction, since it is too much detail for an Introduction: > The values of these parameters are precisely the same as IPv6 over > Ethernet [RFC2464]: the recommended value of MTU to be 1500 octets, > the Frame Format containing the Type 0x86DD, the rules for forming > an Interface Identifier, the Address Mapping mechanism and the > Stateless Address Auto-Configuration. This paragraph stays in the introduction: > The document then concentrates on the parameters of layering IP over > 802.11 OCB as over Ethernet: value of MTU, the contents of Frame > Format, the rules for forming Interface Identifiers, the mechanism > for Address Mapping and for State-less Address Auto-configuration. > These are precisely the same as IPv6 over Ethernet target=3D"RFC2464"/>. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms030204050503070506000609" Archived-At: Cc: "its@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-01.txt - EthernetII field explanations X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IPWAVE - IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments WG at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 17:56:39 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030204050503070506000609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michelle, You are questioning what does "1000011011011101" mean in the EthernetII=20 Header. The other fields deserve explanation, too. I propose the following text: > Ethernet II Fields: > > o Destination Ethernet Address: the MAC destination address. > > o Source Ethernet Address: the MAC source address. > > o "1 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 1 1 1 0 1": binary representation of the > EtherType value 0x86DD. > > o IPv6 header and payload: the IPv6 packet containing IPv6 header > and payload. 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(pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by sainfoin-sys.extra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id v2CI9YuN001773; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:09:34 +0100 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D55A20B786; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:09:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from muguet1.intra.cea.fr (muguet1.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.6]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9DF200D0C; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:09:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from [132.166.84.51] ([132.166.84.51]) by muguet1.intra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.4) with ESMTP id v2CI9X8C000725; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:09:33 +0100 From: Alexandre Petrescu To: Michelle Wetterwald References: <148760815996.26105.11019844131535465220.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <81bdbc7d-73b5-3d80-652b-a5bdcafe6b7e@cea.fr> Organization: CEA Message-ID: <7dbf9e31-1bf4-3fc4-b5ae-ac05ed21c876@cea.fr> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:09:29 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms080204030503000900020602" Archived-At: Cc: "its@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-01.txt - double mention of "Seq num" - keep one X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IPWAVE - IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments WG at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:09:37 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms080204030503000900020602 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michelle, You are pointing that we talk twice about apparently the same thing: increasing the "Seq number" field of the 802.11 Header when the MTU is smaller than the IP packet to be sent. The paragraphs in question are: > The default MTU for IP packets on 802.11p is 1500 octets. It is the > same value as IPv6 packets on Ethernet links, as specified in > [RFC2464]. This value of the MTU respects the recommendation that > every link in the Internet must have a minimum MTU of 1280 octets > (stated in [RFC2460], and the recommendations therein, especially > with respect to fragmentation). If IPv6 packets of size larger than > 1500 bytes are sent on an 802.11-OCB interface then the IP stack > will fragment. In case there are IP fragments, the field "Sequence > number" of the 802.11 Data header containing the IP fragment field is > increased. and > When the MTU value is smaller than the size of the IP packet to be > sent, the IP layer fragments the packet into multiple IP fragments. > During this operation, the "Sequence number" field of the 802.11 Data > Header is increased. I propose to replace the latter with a brief explanation: > The Ethernet Adaptation Layer performs operations in relation to IP > fragmentation and MTU. One of these operations is briefly described > in section . 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(pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by sainfoin-sys.extra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id v2CIVQef002300; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:31:26 +0100 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 341A620B67D; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:31:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from muguet1.intra.cea.fr (muguet1.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.6]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 258E8205514; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:31:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from [132.166.84.62] ([132.166.84.62]) by muguet1.intra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.4) with ESMTP id v2CIVP9l016593; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:31:25 +0100 From: Alexandre Petrescu To: Michelle Wetterwald References: <148760815996.26105.11019844131535465220.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <81bdbc7d-73b5-3d80-652b-a5bdcafe6b7e@cea.fr> Organization: CEA Message-ID: <7ba6742e-fd49-1ece-53af-a288e7351351@cea.fr> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:31:21 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms030301010406030403020204" Archived-At: Cc: "its@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-01.txt - empty section "Address Mapping -- Unicast" X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IPWAVE - IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments WG at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:31:29 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030301010406030403020204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michelle, You are pointing that the section 5.4 "Address Mapping -- Unicast"=20 section is empty. I will explain why. This section is one of the most difficult sections to write. The original intention was that be precisely the same as section 6=20 "Address Mapping -- Unicast" of RFC2464. But process: IETF 6MAN WG committed on a path of updating the status of=20 'core' IPv6 specs, including RFC 2464. A promising document in that=20 direction is draft-hinden-6man-rfc2464bis-01. This document is an=20 individual proposal at this time. Maybe soon there will be a call for=20 adoption as WG item. Until that's done, it's hard to say whether it's=20 legitimate or not to copy something from it. The text in question, that should come into our draft, in section=20 "Address Mapping -- Unicast", is the following: > The procedure for mapping IPv6 unicast addresses into Ethernet link-= > layer addresses is described in [DISC]. The Source/Target Link-laye= r > Address option has the following form when the link layer is > Ethernet. > > 0 1 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Type | Length | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | | > +- Ethernet -+ > | | > +- Address -+ > | | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Option fields: > > Type 1 for Source Link-layer address. > 2 for Target Link-layer address. > > Length 1 (in units of 8 octets). > > Ethernet Address The 48 bit Ethernet IEEE 802 address, in > canonical bit order. This is the address the > interface currently responds to, and may be > different from the built-in address used to > derive the Interface Identifier. You will notice that text has a number of issues, that I list here for=20 information: - the [DISC] reference is RFC4861. That text uses terms 'mapping' and=20 'resolving' alternatively. Whereas here we only say 'mapping'.=20 'Mapping' is ambiguous in that it some times involve a message exchange=20 like ND, other times not like when following a pre-written rule. I=20 would prefer to use 'resolve'. But will that make it different from=20 RFC2464? Too big difference? - the text seems to recommend to have a direct relationship between an=20 Ethernet Address and an IP address. This is an old formulation that=20 IETF is trying to move away from; many RFCs were issued recently about=20 these Interface IDs ensuring privacy. Overall, this text deserves much clarification that I am not able to=20 propose right now. This should be further discussed before having text there. What do you think? What do WG members think? 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(pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by cirse-sys.extra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id v2CJomwC008015; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 20:50:48 +0100 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 6CC5A20B895; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 20:50:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from muguet2.intra.cea.fr (muguet2.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.7]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D84C20550E; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 20:50:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from [132.166.84.203] ([132.166.84.203]) by muguet2.intra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.4) with ESMTP id v2CJolbj014858; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 20:50:48 +0100 From: Alexandre Petrescu To: Michelle Wetterwald References: <148760815996.26105.11019844131535465220.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <81bdbc7d-73b5-3d80-652b-a5bdcafe6b7e@cea.fr> Organization: CEA Message-ID: <1b9a23a8-b046-46e7-e23c-66133f9639db@cea.fr> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 20:50:43 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms040006040609000603080906" Archived-At: Cc: "its@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-01.txt - text about "tracking" X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IPWAVE - IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments WG at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:50:52 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040006040609000603080906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michelle, You are pointing that the text about privacy risks is more about "tracking". As such I propose the following. OLD: > As with all Ethernet and 802.11 interface identifiers ([RFC7721]), > the identifier of an 802.11p interface may involve privacy risks. A > vehicle embarking an On-Board Unit whose egress interface is 802.11p > may expose itself to eavesdropping and subsequent correlation of > data; this may reveal data considered private by the vehicle owner. NEW: > As with all Ethernet and 802.11 interface identifiers ([RFC7721]), > the identifier of an 802.11-OCB interface may involve privacy risks. > A vehicle embarking an On-Board Unit whose egress interface is > 802.11-OCB may expose itself to eavesdropping and subsequent > correlation of data; this may reveal data considered private by the > vehicle owner; there is a risk fo being tracked; see the privacy > considerations described in . 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(Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D03C12941C; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 12:59:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148934878129.24703.16225949167818324652@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 12:59:41 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: its@ietf.org Subject: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-02.txt X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: IPWAVE - IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments WG at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:59:41 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments of the IETF. Title : Transmission of IPv6 Packets over IEEE 802.11 Networks in mode Outside the Context of a Basic Service Set (IPv6-over-80211ocb) Authors : Alexandre Petrescu Nabil Benamar Jérôme Härri Christian Huitema Jong-Hyouk Lee Thierry Ernst Tony Li Filename : draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-02.txt Pages : 33 Date : 2017-03-12 Abstract: In order to transmit IPv6 packets on IEEE 802.11 networks run outside the context of a basic service set (OCB, earlier "802.11p") there is a need to define a few parameters such as the recommended Maximum Transmission Unit size, the header format preceding the IPv6 header, the Type value within it, and others. This document describes these parameters for IPv6 and IEEE 802.11 OCB networks; it portrays the layering of IPv6 on 802.11 OCB similarly to other known 802.11 and Ethernet layers - by using an Ethernet Adaptation Layer. In addition, the document attempts to list what is different in 802.11 OCB (802.11p) compared to more 'traditional' 802.11a/b/g/n layers, layers over which IPv6 protocols operates without issues. Most notably, the operation outside the context of a BSS (OCB) has impact on IPv6 handover behaviour and on IPv6 security. An example of an IPv6 packet captured while transmitted over an IEEE 802.11 OCB link (802.11p) is given. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Mar 12 13:04:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467441294DD for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 13:04:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.353 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.353 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bbr5vEqMnuMd for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 13:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oxalide-out.extra.cea.fr (oxalide-out.extra.cea.fr [132.168.224.8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FF2B1294C8 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 13:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by oxalide.extra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.4) with ESMTP id v2CK4bcq027350 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 21:04:37 +0100 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id F2D3A20B9A9 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 21:04:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from muguet2.intra.cea.fr (muguet2.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.7]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8FFA2007FA for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 21:04:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from [132.166.84.203] ([132.166.84.203]) by muguet2.intra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.4) with ESMTP id v2CK4aia020385 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 21:04:36 +0100 References: <148934878129.24703.16225949167818324652@ietfa.amsl.com> To: its@ietf.org From: Alexandre Petrescu Message-ID: <15f30dcf-7ee9-f7c2-f77f-32e6ec2691ca@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 21:04:31 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <148934878129.24703.16225949167818324652@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: [ipwave] draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-02.txt X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IPWAVE - IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments WG at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 20:04:41 -0000 Hi participants in IPWAVE WG, This new version of the draft addresses comments received recently from Michelle Wetterwald and Dick Roy. Please use this draft for further discussion. This is the draft that will be discussed in Chicago. The changelog is: o Replaced almost all occurences of 802.11p with 802.11-OCB, leaving only when explanation of evolution was necessary. o Shortened by removing parameter details from a paragraph in the Introduction. o Moved a reference from Normative to Informative. o Added text in intro clarifying there is no handover spec at IEEE, and that 1609.2 does provide security services. o Named the contents the fields of the EthernetII header (including the Ethertype bitstring). o Improved relationship between two paragraphs describing the increase of the Sequence Number in 802.11 header upon IP fragmentation. o Added brief clarification of "tracking". Alex Le 12/03/2017 à 20:59, internet-drafts@ietf.org a écrit : > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments of the IETF. > > Title : Transmission of IPv6 Packets over IEEE 802.11 Networks in mode Outside the Context of a Basic Service Set (IPv6-over-80211ocb) > Authors : Alexandre Petrescu > Nabil Benamar > Jérôme Härri > Christian Huitema > Jong-Hyouk Lee > Thierry Ernst > Tony Li > Filename : draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-02.txt > Pages : 33 > Date : 2017-03-12 > > Abstract: > In order to transmit IPv6 packets on IEEE 802.11 networks run outside > the context of a basic service set (OCB, earlier "802.11p") there is > a need to define a few parameters such as the recommended Maximum > Transmission Unit size, the header format preceding the IPv6 header, > the Type value within it, and others. This document describes these > parameters for IPv6 and IEEE 802.11 OCB networks; it portrays the > layering of IPv6 on 802.11 OCB similarly to other known 802.11 and > Ethernet layers - by using an Ethernet Adaptation Layer. > > In addition, the document attempts to list what is different in > 802.11 OCB (802.11p) compared to more 'traditional' 802.11a/b/g/n > layers, layers over which IPv6 protocols operates without issues. > Most notably, the operation outside the context of a BSS (OCB) has > impact on IPv6 handover behaviour and on IPv6 security. > > An example of an IPv6 packet captured while transmitted over an IEEE > 802.11 OCB link (802.11p) is given. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-02 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-02 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > From nobody Fri Mar 17 09:35:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F371294FA for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 09:35:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.689 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.689 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MYh_LRx3feER for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 09:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sainfoin-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr (sainfoin-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr [132.167.192.228]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B3761294FE for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 09:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by sainfoin-sys.extra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id v2HGZm4j008853 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 17:35:48 +0100 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id B9C5620CE8D for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 17:35:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from muguet2.intra.cea.fr (muguet2.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.7]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B055C202EF5 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 17:35:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.8.34.184] (is227335.intra.cea.fr [10.8.34.184]) by muguet2.intra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.4) with ESMTP id v2HGZmdV031436 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 17:35:48 +0100 References: <148934878129.24703.16225949167818324652@ietfa.amsl.com> Cc: its@ietf.org From: Alexandre Petrescu Message-ID: <3d7d2d63-a679-3101-48eb-fd6d84975322@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 17:35:39 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <148934878129.24703.16225949167818324652@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ipwave] draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-02.txt - IPv6 on OCB as on WiFi X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IPWAVE - IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments WG at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 16:35:52 -0000 Hello IPWAVErs, The following questioning was made about this text: > The IPv6 network layer operates on 802.11 OCB in the same manner as > it operates on 802.11 WiFi. The question is "if 802.11 OCB operates like 802.11 WiFi, then what is the point of 802.11 OCB?" My answer to this is that the reader should read it better. The text does not say that 802.11 OCB operates like 802.11 WiFi does. The text says that the IPv6 network layer operates on OCB as on WiFi. That does not mean OCB operates the same as WiFi. As such there is no need to improve the text. What do you think, François ? If, on the other hand, the question was about how IPv6 operates on WiFi, then I could agree with some consequences of some of the potential answers... Alex Le 12/03/2017 à 20:59, internet-drafts@ietf.org a écrit : > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Wireless Access in > Vehicular Environments of the IETF. > > Title : Transmission of IPv6 Packets over IEEE 802.11 > Networks in mode Outside the Context of a Basic Service Set > (IPv6-over-80211ocb) Authors : Alexandre Petrescu Nabil > Benamar Jérôme Härri Christian Huitema Jong-Hyouk Lee Thierry Ernst > Tony Li Filename : > draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-02.txt Pages : 33 Date > : 2017-03-12 > > Abstract: In order to transmit IPv6 packets on IEEE 802.11 networks > run outside the context of a basic service set (OCB, earlier > "802.11p") there is a need to define a few parameters such as the > recommended Maximum Transmission Unit size, the header format > preceding the IPv6 header, the Type value within it, and others. > This document describes these parameters for IPv6 and IEEE 802.11 OCB > networks; it portrays the layering of IPv6 on 802.11 OCB similarly to > other known 802.11 and Ethernet layers - by using an Ethernet > Adaptation Layer. > > In addition, the document attempts to list what is different in > 802.11 OCB (802.11p) compared to more 'traditional' 802.11a/b/g/n > layers, layers over which IPv6 protocols operates without issues. > Most notably, the operation outside the context of a BSS (OCB) has > impact on IPv6 handover behaviour and on IPv6 security. > > An example of an IPv6 packet captured while transmitted over an IEEE > 802.11 OCB link (802.11p) is given. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-02 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-02 > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at > tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing > list I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft > directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > From nobody Mon Mar 20 07:54:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB31127876 for ; 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[108.51.227.113]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t2sm12578324qkh.0.2017.03.20.07.54.14 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 20 Mar 2017 07:54:15 -0700 (PDT) From: =?UTF-8?Q?Fran=C3=A7ois_Simon?= To: "'Alexandre Petrescu'" Cc: References: <148934878129.24703.16225949167818324652@ietfa.amsl.com> <3d7d2d63-a679-3101-48eb-fd6d84975322@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3d7d2d63-a679-3101-48eb-fd6d84975322@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 10:54:13 -0400 Message-ID: <000601d2a189$d7766de0$866349a0$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 15.0 Thread-Index: AQIAy+k9sdozVWeaHKfQJmlIfifh6QDare2koTqmDDA= Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ipwave] draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-02.txt - IPv6 on OCB as on WiFi X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IPWAVE - IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments WG at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:54:19 -0000 My apologies; error on my part (misinterpretation). Fygs -----Original Message----- From: its [mailto:its-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alexandre Petrescu Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 12:36 PM Cc: its@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ipwave] draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-02.txt - IPv6 = on OCB as on WiFi Hello IPWAVErs, The following questioning was made about this text: > The IPv6 network layer operates on 802.11 OCB in the same manner as it = > operates on 802.11 WiFi. The question is "if 802.11 OCB operates like 802.11 WiFi, then what is = the point of 802.11 OCB?" My answer to this is that the reader should read it better. The text = does not say that 802.11 OCB operates like 802.11 WiFi does. The text = says that the IPv6 network layer operates on OCB as on WiFi. That does not mean OCB operates the same as WiFi. As such there is no need to improve the text. What do you think, Fran=C3=A7ois ? If, on the other hand, the question was about how IPv6 operates on WiFi, = then I could agree with some consequences of some of the potential = answers... Alex Le 12/03/2017 =C3=A0 20:59, internet-drafts@ietf.org a =C3=A9crit : > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts=20 > directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Wireless Access in=20 > Vehicular Environments of the IETF. > > Title : Transmission of IPv6 Packets over IEEE 802.11 > Networks in mode Outside the Context of a Basic Service Set > (IPv6-over-80211ocb) Authors : Alexandre Petrescu Nabil > Benamar J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me H=C3=A4rri Christian Huitema Jong-Hyouk Lee = Thierry Ernst > Tony Li Filename : > draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-02.txt Pages : 33 Date > : 2017-03-12 > > Abstract: In order to transmit IPv6 packets on IEEE 802.11 networks=20 > run outside the context of a basic service set (OCB, earlier > "802.11p") there is a need to define a few parameters such as the=20 > recommended Maximum Transmission Unit size, the header format=20 > preceding the IPv6 header, the Type value within it, and others. > This document describes these parameters for IPv6 and IEEE 802.11 OCB=20 > networks; it portrays the layering of IPv6 on 802.11 OCB similarly to=20 > other known 802.11 and Ethernet layers - by using an Ethernet=20 > Adaptation Layer. > > In addition, the document attempts to list what is different in > 802.11 OCB (802.11p) compared to more 'traditional' 802.11a/b/g/n=20 > layers, layers over which IPv6 protocols operates without issues. > Most notably, the operation outside the context of a BSS (OCB) has=20 > impact on IPv6 handover behaviour and on IPv6 security. > > An example of an IPv6 packet captured while transmitted over an IEEE > 802.11 OCB link (802.11p) is given. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-02 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb > -02 > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of=20 > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at=20 > tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing=20 > list I-D-Announce@ietf.org=20 > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft > directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or=20 > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > _______________________________________________ its mailing list its@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its From nobody Fri Mar 24 10:41:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861A01297DE for ; 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[163.117.219.143]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q129sm6502612wmg.1.2017.03.24.10.40.57 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 24 Mar 2017 10:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1490377256.15180.18.camel@it.uc3m.es> From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs?= Bernardos Cano Reply-To: cjbc@it.uc3m.es To: its@ietf.org Cc: Russ Housley Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 18:40:56 +0100 Organization: Universidad Carlos III de Madrid Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.22.5-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [ipwave] Agenda for IETF98 X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IPWAVE - IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments WG at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:41:03 -0000 Hi, The agenda is available at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/98/agenda/ipwave/ Presenters, please send the slides to the chairs by Wed EOB the latest. 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[2001:67c:370:128:3383:f67d:1f33:6674]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r133sm1866187ith.9.2017.03.28.11.07.18 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Tue, 28 Mar 2017 11:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1490724437.11110.72.camel@it.uc3m.es> From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs?= Bernardos Cano Reply-To: cjbc@it.uc3m.es To: its@ietf.org Cc: Russ Housley Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 20:07:17 +0200 Organization: Universidad Carlos III de Madrid Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.22.5-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [ipwave] Minute takers and jabber scribe X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IPWAVE - IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments WG at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 18:07:23 -0000 Hi, We are looking for a couple of minute takers and a jabber scribe for our IPWAVE session on Friday. As you know, minutes are very important to keep track of the decisions and next steps between physical meetings. And jabber is very valuable resource for our remote attendees. Please volunteer. Thanks! Carlos & Russ From nobody Wed Mar 29 05:46:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9331294D8 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 05:46:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=telecom-paristech.fr Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BDKvSNQny7fT for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 05:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zproxy120.enst.fr (zproxy120.enst.fr [137.194.2.193]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B0991242EA for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 05:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zproxy120.enst.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F089100DBB; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 14:46:13 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: zproxy120.enst.fr (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=telecom-paristech.fr Received: from zproxy120.enst.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zproxy120.enst.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id tFoHiGtPWSIN; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 14:46:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zproxy120.enst.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDDB9100DCC; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 14:46:12 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.9.2 zproxy120.enst.fr CDDB9100DCC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=telecom-paristech.fr; s=A6AEC2EE-1106-11E5-B10E-D103FDDA8F2E; t=1490791572; bh=gapRA1KE2+q3+OAIjBR5DC3hvsdHmsBZgdaihmt056M=; h=Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CJIvqB8DmtHYb2KKrjmflVSfl2czSK8R2ZzlC+PjHSEJCU/XLus6uq/wG7uiwp+cF 7Af7bjcaT/iubZLvIYIhhnAuZ/emT0zs5+2GN/8p8iPNvUa+2ZwohAtxoNuwoSShTV Q7FZdBRRPlZG2qM1xNPI0v8m52YhIVaCUzBzSn90= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zproxy120.enst.fr Received: from zproxy120.enst.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zproxy120.enst.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 4LBBe6K91QZv; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 14:46:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from zmail111.enst.fr (zmail111.enst.fr [137.194.2.201]) by zproxy120.enst.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B09100DBB; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 14:46:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 14:46:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Mounira Msahli To: its@ietf.org Cc: Houda Labiod , ahmed serhrouchni Message-ID: <1187973606.53807541.1490791572667.JavaMail.zimbra@enst.fr> In-Reply-To: <50700431.53802914.1490791293494.JavaMail.zimbra@enst.fr> References: <1575133442.47281418.1481107447078.JavaMail.zimbra@enst.fr> <1260834683.47309360.1481109342289.JavaMail.zimbra@enst.fr> <1BD268B1-1501-4A89-A243-3222B82D294E@sn3rd.com> <225960635.46624063.1490006387696.JavaMail.zimbra@enst.fr> <851B7D2D-C8E0-4D9F-9259-877D0666956E@sn3rd.com> <50700431.53802914.1490791293494.JavaMail.zimbra@enst.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [137.194.2.193] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.0.9_GA_6191 (ZimbraWebClient - FF44 (Win)/8.0.9_GA_6191) Thread-Topic: ITS ETSI/IEEE-TLS extension Thread-Index: grEIeWv1dMfHVq17pt/I1Lf+MgE8qD4KAC7t Archived-At: Subject: [ipwave] ITS ETSI/IEEE-TLS extension X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IPWAVE - IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments WG at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 12:46:16 -0000 Dear ipwave list members, I have updated the draft: Transport Layer Security (TLS) Authentication using ITS ETSI and IEEE certificates, https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-serhrouchni-tls-certieee1609-01.txt My team and I currently working on three major secure vehicular communications projects in Europe: Intercor, SCOOP@F and C-Road. The purpose of this projects is the setting of public key infrastructure for vehicular network. we use the ETSI and IEEE-1609 certificates to make secure link inter-vehicles and between vehicle and its network infrastructure. In this context we propose the draft: "Transport Layer Security (TLS) Authentication using ITS ETSI and IEEE certificates". We extend TLS to support ETSI and IEEE-1609 certificates. This extension is very usefull and has become a pressing need. We already validated our proposal with two implementations over OPENSSL and GNUTLS librairies. Now we want to submit our work on your IETF working group for review. Your working group would be most appropriate for the proposed draft. Could you please send me your comments. Best regards Mounira MSAHLI From nobody Wed Mar 29 07:29:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43290129474 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 07:29:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hW_EN_xYtarj for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 07:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [50.253.254.3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 419AE1295E3 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 07:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C79D6238C; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 10:28:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at htt-consult.com Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id XBZIjEf9axwb; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 10:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx120e.htt-consult.com (dhcp-8901.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.137.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 495D06238A; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 10:28:52 -0400 (EDT) To: Mounira Msahli , its@ietf.org References: <1575133442.47281418.1481107447078.JavaMail.zimbra@enst.fr> <1260834683.47309360.1481109342289.JavaMail.zimbra@enst.fr> <1BD268B1-1501-4A89-A243-3222B82D294E@sn3rd.com> <225960635.46624063.1490006387696.JavaMail.zimbra@enst.fr> <851B7D2D-C8E0-4D9F-9259-877D0666956E@sn3rd.com> <50700431.53802914.1490791293494.JavaMail.zimbra@enst.fr> <1187973606.53807541.1490791572667.JavaMail.zimbra@enst.fr> Cc: Houda Labiod , ahmed serhrouchni From: Robert Moskowitz Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 09:28:50 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1187973606.53807541.1490791572667.JavaMail.zimbra@enst.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ipwave] ITS ETSI/IEEE-TLS extension X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IPWAVE - IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments WG at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 14:29:03 -0000 You need to be specific throughout your document that you are talking about IEEE 1609 certificates. They are NOT the only 'IEEE certificates'. IEEE 802.1AR certificates (and are used here in IETF work) have been around longer, and I suspect there are others. So avoid using 'IEEE certificate' anywhere in your document. Bob On 03/29/2017 07:46 AM, Mounira Msahli wrote: > Dear ipwave list members, > > I have updated the draft: Transport Layer Security (TLS) Authentication using ITS ETSI and IEEE certificates, > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-serhrouchni-tls-certieee1609-01.txt > > My team and I currently working on three major secure vehicular communications projects in Europe: Intercor, SCOOP@F and C-Road. The purpose of this projects is the setting of public key infrastructure for vehicular network. we use the ETSI and IEEE-1609 certificates to make secure link inter-vehicles and between vehicle and its network infrastructure. > > In this context we propose the draft: "Transport Layer Security (TLS) Authentication using ITS ETSI and IEEE certificates". We extend TLS to support ETSI and IEEE-1609 certificates. This extension is very usefull and has become a pressing need. We already validated our proposal with two implementations over OPENSSL and GNUTLS librairies. Now we want to submit our work on your IETF working group for review. Your working group would be most appropriate for the proposed draft. Could you please send me your comments. > > Best regards > Mounira MSAHLI > > _______________________________________________ > its mailing list > its@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its From nobody Wed Mar 29 12:43:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: its@ietf.org Delivered-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F420112975C for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 12:43:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.48.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149081662999.27406.9495954537418114689.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 12:43:49 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: Subject: [ipwave] Milestones changed for ipwave WG X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: IPWAVE - IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments WG at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 19:43:50 -0000 Changed milestone "Draft for "IPv6 over 802.11-OCB" adopted by WG", resolved as "Done", added draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb to milestone. URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/ipwave/about/ From nobody Wed Mar 29 21:54:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: its@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC23129570 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 21:54:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=telecom-paristech.fr Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hBQlc-Ty4rPm for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 21:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zproxy120.enst.fr (zproxy120.enst.fr [137.194.2.193]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 737B8129522 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 21:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zproxy120.enst.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 833C11005FA; Thu, 30 Mar 2017 06:54:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from zproxy120.enst.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zproxy120.enst.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id lOYH58LoZ75c; Thu, 30 Mar 2017 06:53:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zproxy120.enst.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B741005FD; Thu, 30 Mar 2017 06:53:58 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.9.2 zproxy120.enst.fr D8B741005FD DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=telecom-paristech.fr; s=A6AEC2EE-1106-11E5-B10E-D103FDDA8F2E; t=1490849638; bh=oqu/anMnEAsBOM9fZ5wt8rA19EWW313l62mDFQM07EA=; h=Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0zFaeDTh3Tn0zYxgc12zqlNc+8m4uzj84pVzxnQ7zyP2FGFzxa+bOj49yjHpD48OM 3EHqLgMQCs426ZMUgxZJTcKM6Ujr2bIRZMk9AO2sfQLaRxYdo73+6CoGRtStNEjS5p //lVeWOU4tA38ANxkJ19dj/XO3yI4DQDaUdqWZ/8= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zproxy120.enst.fr Received: from zproxy120.enst.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zproxy120.enst.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id p7d2afeW6XXn; Thu, 30 Mar 2017 06:53:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from zmail111.enst.fr (zmail111.enst.fr [137.194.2.201]) by zproxy120.enst.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46601005FA; Thu, 30 Mar 2017 06:53:58 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 06:53:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Mounira Msahli To: Robert Moskowitz Cc: its@ietf.org Message-ID: <871102333.54148429.1490849638309.JavaMail.zimbra@enst.fr> In-Reply-To: References: <1575133442.47281418.1481107447078.JavaMail.zimbra@enst.fr> <1260834683.47309360.1481109342289.JavaMail.zimbra@enst.fr> <1BD268B1-1501-4A89-A243-3222B82D294E@sn3rd.com> <225960635.46624063.1490006387696.JavaMail.zimbra@enst.fr> <851B7D2D-C8E0-4D9F-9259-877D0666956E@sn3rd.com> <50700431.53802914.1490791293494.JavaMail.zimbra@enst.fr> <1187973606.53807541.1490791572667.JavaMail.zimbra@enst.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: [137.194.2.193] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.0.9_GA_6191 (ZimbraWebClient - FF47 (Win)/8.0.9_GA_6191) Thread-Topic: ITS ETSI/IEEE-TLS extension Thread-Index: xRKU7LGwNrGA2Cw8iw7RtT8PaALt4w== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [ipwave] ITS ETSI/IEEE-TLS extension X-BeenThere: its@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IPWAVE - IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments WG at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 04:54:04 -0000 Ok, thank you!!=20 Mounira=20 ----- Mail original -----=20 De: "Robert Moskowitz" =20 =C3=80: "Mounira Msahli" , its@ietf.or= g=20 Cc: "Houda Labiod" , "ahmed serhrouchni"= =20 Envoy=C3=A9: Mercredi 29 Mars 2017 16:28:50=20 Objet: Re: [ipwave] ITS ETSI/IEEE-TLS extension=20 You need to be specific throughout your document that you are talking=20 about IEEE 1609 certificates. They are NOT the only 'IEEE=20 certificates'. IEEE 802.1AR certificates (and are used here in IETF=20 work) have been around longer, and I suspect there are others.=20 So avoid using 'IEEE certificate' anywhere in your document.=20 Bob=20 On 03/29/2017 07:46 AM, Mounira Msahli wrote:=20 > Dear ipwave list members,=20 >=20 > I have updated the draft: Transport Layer Security (TLS) Authentication u= sing ITS ETSI and IEEE certificates,=20 > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-serhrouchni-tls-certieee1609-01.txt=20 >=20 > My team and I currently working on three major secure vehicular communica= tions projects in Europe: Intercor, SCOOP@F and C-Road. The purpose of this= projects is the setting of public key infrastructure for vehicular network= . we use the ETSI and IEEE-1609 certificates to make secure link inter-vehi= cles and between vehicle and its network infrastructure.=20 >=20 > In this context we propose the draft: "Transport Layer Security (TLS) Aut= hentication using ITS ETSI and IEEE certificates". We extend TLS to support= ETSI and IEEE-1609 certificates. This extension is very usefull and has be= come a pressing need. We already validated our proposal with two implementa= tions over OPENSSL and GNUTLS librairies. Now we want to submit our work on= your IETF working group for review. Your working group would be most appro= priate for the proposed draft. Could you please send me your comments.=20 >=20 > Best regards=20 > Mounira MSAHLI=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________=20 > its mailing list=20 > its@ietf.org=20 > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its=20