From nobody Fri Nov 21 07:29:09 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E6801A1A2F for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 07:29:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.595 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.595 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RknrP6_xg7bX for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 07:29:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from wolverine01.qualcomm.com (wolverine01.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.254]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA4891A1A04 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 07:29:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qti.qualcomm.com; i=@qti.qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1416583745; x=1448119745; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MJINAZvNShdrVp4RSVUQMvmsMTpPujymNoOSw4P6T5w=; b=zGHE+yteRLc4yjJqyroDbwldnCci/VJ3Vvu2ECmppXlitj/0JJrFIXzx lU1fGmPQiAJTnOCrFBzpwymJxuJBjm2jokICKbqMc5F2vPHnV6XeiHDV6 HT9dXEaK18Sq83pxV1MBXhjXfxaa9d+p67F1YHBhCIpRKr2DQ/4M3RK2o U=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5600,1067,7628"; a="86843483" Received: from ironmsg03-r.qualcomm.com ([172.30.46.17]) by wolverine01.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 21 Nov 2014 07:29:04 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,431,1413270000"; d="scan'208";a="796158027" Received: from nasanexm01f-t.na.qualcomm.com (HELO NASANEXM01F.na.qualcomm.com) ([10.85.0.32]) by Ironmsg03-R.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 21 Nov 2014 07:29:04 -0800 Received: from resnick2.qualcomm.com (10.80.80.8) by NASANEXM01F.na.qualcomm.com (10.85.0.32) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.913.22; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 07:29:04 -0800 Message-ID: <546F5A3D.5050006@qti.qualcomm.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 09:29:01 -0600 From: Pete Resnick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100630 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "json@ietf.org" References: <20141027071225.1240.9252.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20141027071225.1240.9252.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [10.80.80.8] X-ClientProxiedBy: NASANEXM01F.na.qualcomm.com (10.85.0.32) To NASANEXM01F.na.qualcomm.com (10.85.0.32) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/json/H0x6sgRC7XFLu-9lxynI1wGIdVE Subject: Re: [Json] I-D Action: draft-ietf-json-text-sequence-09.txt X-BeenThere: json@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "JavaScript Object Notation \(JSON\) WG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 15:29:08 -0000 I've requested Last Call for this document, but do note that the 2119isms that I thought we agreed to either didn't get changed, or got changed in the opposite direction: 2.1: 2/SHOULD/can 2.3: s/SHOULD NOT/need not 2.4: s/MAY/can You also changed "MUST drop" to "MUST NOT report", which seems undesirable to me. Consider these Last Call comments. pr On 10/27/14 2:12 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the JavaScript Object Notation Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : JavaScript Object Notation (JSON) Text Sequences > Author : Nicolas Williams > Filename : draft-ietf-json-text-sequence-09.txt > Pages : 10 > Date : 2014-10-27 > > Abstract: > This document describes the JSON text sequence format and associated > media type, "application/json-seq". A JSON text sequence consists of > any number of JSON texts, each prefix by an Record Separator > (U+001E), and each ending with a newline character (U+000A). > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-json-text-sequence/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-json-text-sequence-09 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-json-text-sequence-09 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > json mailing list > json@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/json > -- Pete Resnick Qualcomm Technologies, Inc. - +1 (858)651-4478 From nobody Fri Nov 21 07:40:36 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6481AD3FB; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 07:40:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UGHN272Tht3j; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 07:40:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527441A1A39; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 07:40:08 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Sender: Message-ID: <20141121154008.23894.94907.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 07:40:08 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/json/tHSo16Ns4G639CmDAfJowyC8BLw Cc: json@ietf.org Subject: [Json] Last Call: (JavaScript Object Notation (JSON) Text Sequences) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: json@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: "JavaScript Object Notation \(JSON\) WG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 15:40:27 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the JavaScript Object Notation WG (json) to consider the following document: - 'JavaScript Object Notation (JSON) Text Sequences' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2014-12-05. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document describes the JSON text sequence format and associated media type, "application/json-seq". A JSON text sequence consists of any number of JSON texts, each prefix by an Record Separator (U+001E), and each ending with a newline character (U+000A). This document makes a normative downref to RFC 20. The file can be obtained via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-json-text-sequence/ IESG discussion can be tracked via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-json-text-sequence/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. From nobody Fri Nov 21 07:40:56 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25F021A1A16 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 07:40:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id poVlWzTqELu1; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 07:40:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D2C1A1A50; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 07:40:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: json-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-json-text-sequence@tools.ietf.org, json@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141121154009.23894.70410.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 07:40:09 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/json/xBHVjAssmJ0sRYnbsIxF9U2GDVI Subject: [Json] ID Tracker State Update Notice: X-BeenThere: json@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "JavaScript Object Notation \(JSON\) WG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 15:40:46 -0000 Last call has been made for draft-ietf-json-text-sequence and state has been changed to In Last Call ID Tracker URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-json-text-sequence/ From nobody Fri Nov 21 07:43:47 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39911A1A16; 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Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:09:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DonnzUQI_tNv; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:09:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DE291A00BE; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:09:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141128180953.25862.49932.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:09:53 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/json/39m0lOPHsQEeBMj-xFv6uQsPruY Cc: json@ietf.org Subject: [Json] I-D Action: draft-ietf-json-i-json-04.txt X-BeenThere: json@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "JavaScript Object Notation \(JSON\) WG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:09:56 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the JavaScript Object Notation Working Group of the IETF. Title : The I-JSON Message Format Author : Tim Bray Filename : draft-ietf-json-i-json-04.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2014-11-28 Abstract: I-JSON is a restricted profile of JSON designed to maximize interoperability and increase confidence that software can process it successfully with predictable results. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-json-i-json/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-json-i-json-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-json-i-json-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Nov 28 10:13:02 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532FD1A00BE for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:13:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IJxEbeGjq5Hv for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:12:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-la0-f45.google.com (mail-la0-f45.google.com [209.85.215.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 975F41A0067 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:12:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-la0-f45.google.com with SMTP id gq15so5968373lab.4 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:12:57 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=KQGfyS++/S4STi6jc4YhQQzzlclv7il6C5+sDrDxTOc=; b=FWiEPPx7WKBKfCk+zZ88FdP+20RNEdzmWmNsjKjj5ZQ1XW98rnTlos7CvWseqwZEBe bNTVuT+/haSr7dOq6sgFfzsALEGvjdMAYtq7iuRBQuDWLhSwJtcLm+aTC7OQ9ZeCg9MT pbrn0JSNcQ3W8OB+OHnrvgCluVoM/AuDsckt61REnme1uelSf1YI4bNs94o25bSODC/d ZhiEmG7C1ee0AS9YjOvxf1INZC2AEcoCFyRMpKD2/mH8sbWfE/187YJ/gZ/ifgZIjw9T OPrI7mSaGRx8WPIgBrhtos2BnWdzxRw2lL88j6iil/3dVcbddRdgk7DRZ4Om6B/LkaPo aDPw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkcHfVDxBogW4yWpZL3o+XQkNsHTAqsVDfMXjcLWDgvS0GVeI9DED01M4VPsOgfrKFHIKPY X-Received: by 10.112.201.226 with SMTP id kd2mr34212495lbc.98.1417198376969; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:12:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.2.143 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:12:36 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [24.84.235.32] In-Reply-To: <20141128180953.25862.49932.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20141128180953.25862.49932.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Tim Bray Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:12:36 -0800 Message-ID: To: "json@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c37eb4d5fa620508ef3551 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/json/s8qDBBv4piFFJJomG72QjfHp0wc Subject: Re: [Json] I-D Action: draft-ietf-json-i-json-04.txt X-BeenThere: json@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "JavaScript Object Notation \(JSON\) WG mailing list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:13:01 -0000 --001a11c37eb4d5fa620508ef3551 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Real HTML at https://www.tbray.org/tmp/draft-ietf-json-i-json-04.html On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:09 AM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the JavaScript Object Notation Working Grou= p > of the IETF. > > Title : The I-JSON Message Format > Author : Tim Bray > Filename : draft-ietf-json-i-json-04.txt > Pages : 6 > Date : 2014-11-28 > > Abstract: > I-JSON is a restricted profile of JSON designed to maximize > interoperability and increase confidence that software can process it > successfully with predictable results. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-json-i-json/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-json-i-json-04 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-json-i-json-04 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > json mailing list > json@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/json > --=20 - Tim Bray (If you=E2=80=99d like to send me a private message, see https://keybase.io/timbray) --001a11c37eb4d5fa620508ef3551 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Fri, Nov= 28, 2014 at 10:09 AM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wr= ote:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
=C2=A0This draft is a work item of the JavaScript Object Notation Working G= roup of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= The I-JSON Message Format
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Author=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : Tim = Bray
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-json-i-json-04.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 6
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2014-11-28

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0I-JSON is a restricted profile of JSON designed to maximize =C2=A0 =C2=A0interoperability and increase confidence that software can pro= cess it
=C2=A0 =C2=A0successfully with predictable results.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-json-i-json/
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02:42:40 -0000 --089e0141a9a42fe0fd05091e9075 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree. When this was suggested it didn=E2=80=99t bother me but as I was = putting it into the draft I found myself thinking =E2=80=9Cand how does this help a= nyone?=E2=80=9D I actually thought that maybe we should say =E2=80=9CA receiving implemen= tation SHOULD/MUST treat as equivalent=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D but just dropping it is b= etter. I=E2=80=99m OK with either the =E2=80=9Cdoes not change the meaning=E2=80=9D or the =E2=80= =9CMUST NOT assume=E2=80=9D wording. On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Manger, James < James.H.Manger@team.telstra.com> wrote: > =E2=80=9CA receiving implementation MAY treat two I-JSON messages as equi= valent if they differ only in the order of the object members.=E2=80=9D > > > > I don=E2=80=99t think this text is a good addition to I-JSON. > > MAY treat as equivalent, implies an implementation may also treat them as > not equivalent. > > I=E2=80=99m not sure how this helps. > > Perhaps it is an oblique warning that x.equals(y) might not give the > answer you expect when x & y are I-JSON objects differing only in the ord= er > of their members? > > > > Suggestion: drop the =E2=80=9CMAY treat .. as equivalent=E2=80=9D sentenc= e; keeping the > preceding sentence (shown below): > > =E2=80=9CThe order of object members in an I-JSON message does not change= the meaning of an I-JSON message.=E2=80=9D > > > > > > I actually like the previous wording (in addition to the =E2=80=9C.. does= not > change the meaning ..=E2=80=9D sentence): > > =E2=80=9CImplementations which generate I-JSON messages MUST NOT assume t= hat the order of object members in those messages is available to software = which receives them.=E2=80=9D > > Though I guess others don=E2=80=99t like requirement language that applie= s to * > *designers** of I-JSON messages, but prefer to limit requirement language > to cases that can be tested directly with a JSON parser or generator code= . > > > > -- > > James Manger > > > > *From:* json [mailto:json-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Tim Bray > *Sent:* Saturday, 29 November 2014 5:13 AM > > Real HTML at https://www.tbray.org/tmp/draft-ietf-json-i-json-04.html > > > > On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:09 AM, wrote: > > > > > > Title : The I-JSON Message Format > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-json-i-json-04 > > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-json-i-json-04 > > --=20 - Tim Bray (If you=E2=80=99d like to send me a private message, see https://keybase.io/timbray) --089e0141a9a42fe0fd05091e9075 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I a= gree.=C2=A0 When this was suggested it didn=E2=80=99t bother me but as I wa= s putting it into the draft I found myself thinking =E2=80=9Cand how does t= his help anyone?=E2=80=9D =C2=A0 I actually thought that maybe we should sa= y =E2=80=9CA receiving implementation SHOULD/MUST treat as equivalent=E2=80= =A6=E2=80=9D but just dropping it is better.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m OK with eith= er the =E2=80=9Cdoes not change the meaning=E2=80=9D or the =E2=80=9CMUST N= OT assume=E2=80=9D wording.=C2=A0
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Manger, James = <James.H.Manger@team.telstra.com> wrote:
=E2=80=9CA receiving implementation MAY treat two I-JSON messages as equivalent if they differ o=
nly in the order of the object members.=
=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

I don=E2=80=99t think t= his text is a good addition to I-JSON.

MAY treat as equivalent, implies an i= mplementation may also treat them as not equivalent.

I=E2=80=99m not sure ho= w this helps.

Perhaps it is an oblique warning that x.equals(y) might not gi= ve the answer you expect when x & y are I-JSON objects differing only i= n the order of their members?

=C2=A0

Suggestion: drop the =E2=80=9CMAY treat = .. as equivalent=E2=80=9D sentence; keeping the preceding sentence (shown b= elow):

=E2=80=9CThe order of object member=
s in an I-JSON message does not change the meaning of an I-JSON message.=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=

I actually like the p= revious wording (in addition to the =E2=80=9C.. does not change the meaning= ..=E2=80=9D sentence):

=E2=80=9CImplement=
ations which generate I-JSON messages MUST NOT assume that the order of obj=
ect members in those messages is available to software which receives them.=
=E2=80=9D

Though I guess others don=E2= =80=99t like requirement language that applies to *designers* of I-J= SON messages, but prefer to limit requirement language to cases that can be= tested directly with a JSON parser or generator code.=

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James Manger<= u>

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From: json [mailto:json-bounces@ietf.org]= On Behalf Of Tim Bray
Sent: Saturday, 29 November 2014 5:= 13 AM

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On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:09 AM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wr= ote:

= =C2=A0

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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0: The I-JSON Message Format

http://tools.ie= tf.org/html/draft-ietf-json-i-json-04

http://www= .ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-json-i-json-04



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