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From: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Besides,&nbsp;I support the publication of this d=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">GuRong</span></p>
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<a href=3D"mailto:lime@ietf.org">lime@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:draft=
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g=3D"EN-US">: WGLC: draft-ietf-lime-yang-oam-model-08<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Folks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Hi,

"I have read the most recent revision,and think it is ready for publication.
One nits I spot is in section 7:
"
name: ietf-connectionless-oam namespace: urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:
ietf-connectionless-oam
   prefix: goam reference: RFC XXXX
"
I think the prefix should be "prefix:coam" instead of "prefix:goam" since
the prfix:goam has been allocated for CO model.


Thanks,
Dapeng Liu

2017-01-20 0:12 GMT+08:00 Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>:

> Folks,
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-size:14px">Hi,</span><div><br style=3D=
"font-size:14px"><span style=3D"font-size:14px">&quot;I have read the most =
recent revision,and think it is ready for publication.</span><br style=3D"f=
ont-size:14px"><span style=3D"font-size:14px">One nits I spot is in section=
 7:</span><br style=3D"font-size:14px"><span style=3D"font-size:14px">&quot=
;</span><br style=3D"font-size:14px"><span style=3D"font-size:14px">name: i=
etf-connectionless-oam namespace: urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:</span><wbr s=
tyle=3D"font-size:14px"><span style=3D"font-size:14px">ietf-connectionless-=
oam</span><br style=3D"font-size:14px"><span style=3D"font-size:14px">=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0prefix: goam reference: RFC XXXX</span><br style=3D"font-size:14p=
x"><span style=3D"font-size:14px">&quot;</span><br style=3D"font-size:14px"=
><span style=3D"font-size:14px">I think the prefix should be &quot;prefix:c=
oam&quot; instead of &quot;prefix:goam&quot; since the prfix:goam has been =
allocated for CO model.</span><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px"><br></spa=
n></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:14px">Thanks,</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14p=
x">Dapeng Liu<br></span><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote">2017-01-20 0:12 GMT+08:00 Ron Bonica <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
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<br>
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Have read this document and support WGLC adoption.

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Folks,

This message begins a Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-lime-yang-conne=
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Hi All,

I support this draft. I see it is in good shape.

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<div>I support this draft. I see it is in good shape.</div>
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Hi All,

I support this draft. I see it is in good shape.

Regards,
Sudhin

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Hi All,<br />
<br />
I support this draft. I see it is in good shape.<br />
<br />
Regards,<br />
Sudhin<br />
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Hi,

I read through this document again and think it is ready for publication.

Here are some minor things to ix along the way.

Thanks,
Adrian
===
You might sort out the line lengths.
---
Abstract is missing a final period.
---
Some of the references in sections 1 8 and 9 seem to be duplicated.
---
The last sentence of section 2 presumably belongs with the first 
paragraph.
---
The text in section 2 that defines the notation used in the trees that
are found in this document is useful, but I suspect it of being generic.
(It would be nice if this was in a separate document so that everyone
can reference it, but that is not the job of these authors or this WG.)

I did find several parts of the text confusing and I wondered whether:
- you can can drop the statuses that are not used in this document
  (I think there are no deprecated or obsoleted objects)
- add the other flags that are used (I see, "w" although I am surprised
  to find what is effective a write-only object so perhaps that is an
  error?)
- give simple examples (because "x" and "-x" may be hard to distinguish)
---
In 4 you have
   Under each MA, there can be two or more MEPs (Maintenance Association
   End Points).
But your primary expansion of MEP in section 2.1 is different.
---
Sections 1 and 2.1 use "RPC" the rest of the document uses "rpc"
---
Section 4.4 has
   Please refer to Section 4 for the complete
   data hierarchy
which is a bit odd given that we are in the middle of section 4.
---
Not asking you to do it, but why after the whole of section 4, why are
there no "fragments" in section 4.5?
---
A number of description clauses need to begin with capital letters.
---
loss-of-continuity refers to the receiving MEP's configured CC-V
reception period.  I cannot find where I can read the value of that.
---
Any reason why sometimes

      leaf cc-transmit-interval {
        type Interval;
        description
          "Interval between echo requests";
      }

and sometimes

      leaf interval {
        type Interval;
        description
          "Interval between echo requests";
      }
---
Why is there a minimum packet-size of 64 octets?
Why can't I send smaller CC and CV packets?
---
Stray text "YANG module of OAM" right at the end of the module?
---
6.2 has MEPID and MEP-ID and MEP ID.
---
6.2 has
   In this document we propose to extend the range to 0 to
   65535.
s/propose to extend/extend/
---
6.3 has "MAID" unexpanded.  This is probably just the ID of the MA, but
...
---
Section 7 has
   This section demonstrates the usability of the connection-oriented
   YANG OAM data model to various connection-oriented OAM technologies,
   e.g., TRILL and MPLS-TP.
This should probably be
   This section demonstrates the applicability of the connection-oriented
   YANG OAM data model to TRILL and MPLS-TP.
---
I think the affiliations and emails of the Contributors and Authors need
to be double-checked.


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I would li=
ke to discuss with coauthor and may be change it in next version.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Best Regar=
ds!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">-Michael<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=
=CB<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"fo=
nt-size:10.0pt">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">=B9=CB =C8=D6<span lang=3D"EN-US"> =
[mailto:gurong_cmcc@outlook.com]
<br>
</span><b>=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US"> 2017</span>=C4=EA<span lang=3D"EN-US">1</span>=D4=C2<span lan=
g=3D"EN-US">24</span>=C8=D5<span lang=3D"EN-US"> 12:40<br>
</span><b>=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"> draft-ietf-lime-yang-oam-model.all@ietf.org; lime@ietf.org<br>
</span><b>=B3=AD=CB=CD<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
> rbonica@juniper.net<br>
</span><b>=D6=F7=CC=E2<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
> RE: WGLC: draft-ietf-lime-yang-oam-model-08<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div id=3D"divtagdefaultwrapper">
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Hi dear all,<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">After reading this documen=
t, here are some tiny comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">1)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; In page 22: The range of MD-level is 0..255, but the type defined he=
re is uint32. Uint8 may be a more reasonable type.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">2)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; In page 34: The range of packet-size is 64..1000, therefore, I think=
 uint16 may be a more reasonable type.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">3)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; In page 36: same as the&nbsp;previous comment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Besides,&nbsp;I support th=
e publication of this document as an RFC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">GuRong<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><a href=3D"mailto:gurong_c=
mcc@outlook.com">gurong_cmcc@outlook.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><a href=3D"mailto:gurong@c=
hinamobile.com">gurong@chinamobile.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">-----</span><span style=3D=
"color:black">=D3=CA=BC=FE=D4=AD=BC=FE</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">-----<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"color:black">=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB</s=
pan><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;;color:black">: Ron Bonica [<a href=3D"mailto:rbonica@juniper.=
net">mailto:rbonica@juniper.net</a>]
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"color:black">=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=
=E4</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">: 2017</span><span style=3D"color:black">=
=C4=EA</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,=
&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">1</span><span style=3D"color:black">=D4=
=C2</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">20</span><span style=3D"color:black">=C8=
=D5</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
 0:14<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"color:black">=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB</s=
pan><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;;color:black">:
<a href=3D"mailto:lime@ietf.org">lime@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:draft=
-ietf-lime-yang-oam-model.all@ietf.org">
draft-ietf-lime-yang-oam-model.all@ietf.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"color:black">=D6=F7=CC=E2</span><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;;color:black">: WGLC: draft-ietf-lime-yang-oam-model-08<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Folks,<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">This message begins a WGLC=
 on draft-ietf-lime-yang-oam-model-08. Please submit comments by February 3=
, 2017.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
; Ron<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cali=
bri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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Thanks Michael,

That all looks good.

Adrian

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wangzitao [mailto:wangzitao@huawei.com]
> Sent: 25 January 2017 02:22
> To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'Ron Bonica'; lime@ietf.org;
draft-ietf-lime-yang-oam-
> model.all@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [Lime] WGLC: draft-ietf-lime-yang-oam-model-08
>=20
> Thank Adrian for these valuable comments, please find my reply inline.
>=20
> Best Regards!
> -Michael
>=20
> -----=D3=CA=BC=FE=D4=AD=BC=FE-----
> =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk]
> =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2017=C4=EA1=D4=C225=C8=D5 7:38
> =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: 'Ron Bonica'; lime@ietf.org; =
draft-ietf-lime-yang-oam-
> model.all@ietf.org
> =D6=F7=CC=E2: RE: [Lime] WGLC: draft-ietf-lime-yang-oam-model-08
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> I read through this document again and think it is ready for =
publication.
>=20
> Here are some minor things to ix along the way.
>=20
> Thanks,
> Adrian
> =3D=3D=3D
> You might sort out the line lengths.
> [Michael]: Yes, I can fix it.
>=20
> ---
> Abstract is missing a final period.
> [Michael]: Thanks, I will fix it in next version.
> ---
> Some of the references in sections 1 8 and 9 seem to be duplicated.
> [Michael]: Yes, I will fix it.
> ---
> The last sentence of section 2 presumably belongs with the first =
paragraph.
> [Michael]: Indeed, it need to be fixed.
> ---
> The text in section 2 that defines the notation used in the trees that =
are
found in
> this document is useful, but I suspect it of being generic.
> (It would be nice if this was in a separate document so that everyone =
can
> reference it, but that is not the job of these authors or this WG.)
>=20
> I did find several parts of the text confusing and I wondered whether:
> - you can can drop the statuses that are not used in this document
>   (I think there are no deprecated or obsoleted objects)
> [Michael]: Yep, the deprecated/obsolete statement is not used. Moving =
this
flag
> from the section make sense for me.
>=20
> - add the other flags that are used (I see, "w" although I am =
surprised
>   to find what is effective a write-only object so perhaps that is an
>   error?)
> [Michael]: Agree.
> - give simple examples (because "x" and "-x" may be hard to =
distinguish)
> [Michael]: Agree.
> ---
> In 4 you have
>    Under each MA, there can be two or more MEPs (Maintenance =
Association
>    End Points).
> But your primary expansion of MEP in section 2.1 is different.
> [Michael]: Yes, it need to be fixed.
> ---
> Sections 1 and 2.1 use "RPC" the rest of the document uses "rpc"
> [Michael]: Yes, it need to be synchronized. I'd like to fix it.
> ---
> Section 4.4 has
>    Please refer to Section 4 for the complete
>    data hierarchy
> which is a bit odd given that we are in the middle of section 4.
> [Michael]: Yes, it seems odd, I think it can be modified to "Please =
refer to
Section
> 4.5 for the complete
>    data hierarchy".
> ---
> Not asking you to do it, but why after the whole of section 4, why are =
there
no
> "fragments" in section 4.5?
> ---
> A number of description clauses need to begin with capital letters.
> [Michael]:You are right, I will fix it in next version.
> ---
> loss-of-continuity refers to the receiving MEP's configured CC-V =
reception
period.
> I cannot find where I can read the value of that.
> [Michael]: I'd like to discuss with my coauthor to decide whether we =
need this
> attributes
> ---
> Any reason why sometimes
>=20
>       leaf cc-transmit-interval {
>         type Interval;
>         description
>           "Interval between echo requests";
>       }
>=20
> and sometimes
>=20
>       leaf interval {
>         type Interval;
>         description
>           "Interval between echo requests";
>       }
> [Michael]: according to previous discussion, for continuity check, =
there is a
little of
> difference on same terminology For example:
> for mpls-tp, there are transmit-interval and receive-interval, =
therefore, we
> defined this attribute as cc-transmit-interval.
> ---
> Why is there a minimum packet-size of 64 octets?
> Why can't I send smaller CC and CV packets?
> [Michael]: I agree with your concern, especially consider for future
technologies,
> restrict the minimum packet-size as 64 octets seems not good idea.
> I would like to discuss with coauthor and may be change it in next =
version.
> ---
> Stray text "YANG module of OAM" right at the end of the module?
> [Michael]: yes, it need to be fixed.
> ---
> 6.2 has MEPID and MEP-ID and MEP ID.
> [Michael]: Yes, it need to be synchronized.
> ---
> 6.2 has
>    In this document we propose to extend the range to 0 to
>    65535.
> s/propose to extend/extend/
> [Michael]: Agree.
> ---
> 6.3 has "MAID" unexpanded.  This is probably just the ID of the MA, =
but ...
> [Michael]: Yes, you are right, I would like to fix it.
> Section 7 has
>    This section demonstrates the usability of the connection-oriented
>    YANG OAM data model to various connection-oriented OAM =
technologies,
>    e.g., TRILL and MPLS-TP.
> This should probably be
>    This section demonstrates the applicability of the =
connection-oriented
>    YANG OAM data model to TRILL and MPLS-TP.
> [Michael]: This section demonstrates the CO model's applicability, it
introduce the
> method of augmenting the CO model to derived technology specific =
model.
> Trill and MPLS-TP are just some examples.
> ---
> I think the affiliations and emails of the Contributors and Authors =
need to be
> double-checked.
> [Michael]: Agree.


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Hi,
I have read this document and support it.
I also agree about adding reference for passive, active and hybrid performa=
nce measurements (e.g. RFC7799).

Thanks,

Giuseppe

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Hi, 

I read this document as part of the WG last call. 

In my opinion the document is *almost* ready to move forward, but has
some small issues that need to be resolved first.

Thanks for the work,
Adrian

===

The use of English could use some work. The RFC Editor will catch this,
but there is a risk that they will break something, so if you have the
chance to get someone to edit the document first, that would help.

---

There are a number of nits reported at
https://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits?url=https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf
-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-03.txt

---

The datatracker is reporting "Submission Yang Validation returned 
warnings or errors." No idea about this, but sounds like something that
should be fixed.

---

Need to expand "OAM" in the Abstract.

---

Abstract s/Based model/Base model/

---

I think the Introduction would benefit from a short paragraph 
referencing draft-ietf-lime-yang-oam-model and explaining the 
difference.

---

Section 1 has tree citations of "[lime retrieval methods]". You need
to sort this out.

(I suspect idnits catches this)

---

Section 2.2. See my comments on the equivalent section in 
draft-ietf-lime-yang-oam-model

---

Section 3, etc.
Probably best to use single quotes (') around names of data nodes etc.
Thus, for example, 
   At the top of the Model, there is an 'oper' container for session

---

In 3.3 I can't make sense of
   Level is provided for scenarios where
   it might be possible to define layering relationship as it can be
   used to stitching fault at related OAM layers.

It seems to me (from the example that follows) that you are not talking
about layering of network technologies so much as concatenation of path
segments each of which is at a different technology. Maybe rewrite the 
text
as...
   'Level' defines the relative technology level in a sequence of 
   network portions, and is provided to allow correlation of faults in
   related OAM domains.
Or maybe I am only guessing.

---

3.3
s/thesecond/the second/

---

3.3

                  leaf level {
                      type int32 {
                           range "-1..1";
                      }
                      description
                        "Level";
                  }

It's not important, but I did wonder whether you would be better 
defining "up", "same", and "down" rather than using an int32.

---

A number of description clauses need to begin with capital letters.

---

I am trying to understand how a test point location can be identified 
by a multicast group address. I think you might want to target some of
the OAM tools at a multicast address (e.g., ping a mcast address) but
I don't see this as the same as a text point location. Am I missing
something?

---

You define oam-counter32 but then a number of leaf nodes (such as
session-count) are of type uint32. In fact, I don't see oam-counter32
used at all.

---

    grouping session-packet-statistics {
      description "Grouping for per session packet statistics";
      container session-packet-statistics {

        description "Per session packet statistics.";
        leaf rx-packet-count {
          type uint32;
          description "Total received packet count.";
        }
        leaf tx-packet-count {
          type uint32;
          description "Total transmitted packet count.";
        }
        leaf rx-bad-packet {

          type uint32;
          description "Total received bad packet.";
        }
        leaf tx-packet-failed {
          type uint32;
          description "Total send packet failed.";
        }
      }
    }

Please clarify whether this is "Total number of OAM packets..." If it is
counting normal data packets, uint32 is not large enough.

---

    grouping session-path-verification-statistics {
      description "Grouping for per session path verification statistics";
      container session-path-verification-statistics{
        description "OAM per session path verification statistics.";
        leaf verified-count {
          type uint32;
          description "Total number of packets that went through a path as
intended.";
        }
        leaf failed-count {
          type uint32;
          description "Total number of packets that went through an unintended
path.";
        }
      }
    }

Please clarify whether this is "Total number of OAM packets..." If it is
counting normal data packets, uint32 is not large enough.

---

Not sure why you need to define IP-Multicast-Group-Address since a mcast
IP address surely looks a lot like an IP address for which types already
exist.

---

Quite a few places "IP" is presented as "Ip"

---

      container path-verification {
        description "Optional path verification related information.";
        leaf flow-info {
          type string;
          description
            "ACL name that refers to the flow, if any.";
        }
        uses session-path-verification-statistics;
      }

Why "ACL name"? Why does this have anything to do with ACLs?

(But if it does, you need to expand ACL.)

---

Superfluous "YANG module of OAM" right at the end of the YANG module

---

5.  CL model applicability

Spell out "CL" or use actual model name.

---

6.  Security Considerations

   TBD.

I don't think that will be good enough :-)
You can model on the text in draft-ietf-lime-yang-oam-model

---

Section 8

   The authors of this document would like to thank Greg Mirskey and
   others

Greg spells it "Mirsky".
The others wished to remain anonymous?

---

It is possible that all your references are normative, but I doubt it.
You should go through them and work out which provide information and
which are required reading in order to process this document.

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Dear Authors, WG Chairs, et. al,
please consider my comments as part of WGLC discussion.

   - Overview of the OAM Model
   - Why MEF-38 Service OAM Fault Management YANG Modules not only used as
      prototype but not even referenced?
      - "... for VPLS this can be per VPLS instance" Is this OAM model of
      service OAM of provided by the VPLS instance service or of
IP/MPLS underlay
      that provides transport for the VPLS instance? If the former,
then we have
      MEF-38. if the latter, then it is IP/MPLS network OAM, i.e.
connectionless.
      - "... connectivity verification(loopback) ..." OAM method to verify
      proper connectivity between MEPs of the specified MA rarely, if any,
      supported by the Loopback command. In order to detect in
mis-connection and
      in-defect and out-of-defect conditions, CV should operate as
proactive OAM
      command, e.g. CCM in CFM/Y.1731 or BFD-based CV for MPLS-TP as
described in
      RFC 6428.
      - "The generic YANG model defined here does not require explicit
      configuration of OAM entities prior to using any of the OAM tools."

I consider configuration of a remote MEP to be absolute pre-requisite to
using even Loopback or Linktrace commands. Similarly, configuration of MIPs
may be required as well.


   - Is "base mode for" synonymous to "default values"? The mentioning that
      explicitly would be helpful.
   -  3.5
   <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-03#section-3.5>.
   Test Point Locations
      - "routing instance vrf name if required" YANG Data Model for MPLS-TP
      OAM  <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-mpls-tp-yang-oam-03> does
      not require or even reference to VRF name
   - I don't see any reference to the above mentioned YANG Data Model for
   MPLS-TP OAM.
   - Nor I see substantive references to RFC 6428
   - There's no operational information specific to operation of
   connectivity verification mechanism in container oper, but only ones
   related to operation of continuity check. How MEP reports its state in
   regard to mis-connection defect (in-defect or out-of-defect)?
   - tlv-address should not be used as tp-address but as MPLS-TP
   Identifiers per RFC 6370 and RFC 6428.
   - FEC is not address of a single Test Point but group of IP packets
   which are forwarded in the same manner, over the same path, and with the
   same forwarding treatment.
   - cos-id in grouping cos is of type uint8 though TC filed mentioned as
   example is only three bits long. How these are mapped?
   - output from traceroute allows only MEP response while in linktrace
   MIPs that belong to the same MA should respond with LTR. LSP Ping does the
   same.


Nits:

   - [lime retrieval methods] - looks as meant to be reference but there's
   no a document it points to.
   - grouping cos still refers to EXP field in MPLS-TP even though the
   field has been renamed Traffic Class (TC) in 2009 by RFC 5462
   - s/Ma name format/MA name format/
   - s/Yang/YANG/ (several occasions of this)
   - in 4. 6 s/Augment/augment/
   -

I cannot support publication of this version of the document.

Regards,
Greg

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 8:13 AM, Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net> wrote:

> Folks,
>
> This message begins a WGLC on draft-ietf-lime-yang-oam-model-08. Please
> submit comments by February 3, 2017.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Dear Authors, WG Chairs, et. al,<div>please consider my co=
mments as part of WGLC discussion.</div><div><ul><li>Overview of the OAM Mo=
del<br></li><ul><li>Why MEF-38 Service OAM Fault Management YANG Modules no=
t only used as prototype but not even referenced?</li><li>&quot;... for VPL=
S this can be per VPLS instance&quot; Is this OAM model of service OAM of p=
rovided by the VPLS instance service or of IP/MPLS underlay that provides t=
ransport for the VPLS instance? If the former, then we have MEF-38. if the =
latter, then it is IP/MPLS network OAM, i.e. connectionless.</li><li>&quot;=
... connectivity verification(loopback) ...&quot; OAM method to verify prop=
er connectivity between MEPs of the specified MA rarely, if any, supported =
by the Loopback command. In order to detect in mis-connection and in-defect=
 and out-of-defect conditions, CV should operate as proactive OAM command, =
e.g. CCM in CFM/Y.1731 or BFD-based CV for MPLS-TP as described in RFC 6428=
.</li><li>&quot;The generic YANG model defined here does not require explic=
it configuration of OAM entities prior to using any of the OAM tools.&quot;=
</li></ul></ul></div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:no=
ne;padding:0px"><div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:no=
ne;padding:0px"><div>I consider configuration of a remote MEP to be absolut=
e pre-requisite to using even Loopback or Linktrace commands. Similarly, co=
nfiguration of MIPs may be required as well.</div></blockquote></div></bloc=
kquote><div><ul><ul><li>Is &quot;base mode for&quot; synonymous to &quot;de=
fault values&quot;? The mentioning that explicitly would be helpful.</li></=
ul><li>=C2=A0<a name=3D"m_4415458852181489237_section-3.5" class=3D"gmail-m=
_4415458852181489237gmail-selflink" href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/dra=
ft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-03#section-3.5" target=3D"_blank">3.5<=
/a>.  Test Point Locations</li><ul><li>&quot;routing instance vrf name if r=
equired&quot;=C2=A0<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13.3333px"><a =
href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-mpls-tp-yang-oam-03" target=
=3D"_blank">YANG Data Model for MPLS-TP OAM=C2=A0</a>=C2=A0does not require=
 or even reference to VRF name</span></li></ul><li><font color=3D"#000000">=
<span style=3D"font-size:13.3333px">I don&#39;t see any reference to the ab=
ove mentioned YANG Data Model for MPLS-TP OAM.</span></font></li><li><font =
color=3D"#000000"><span style=3D"font-size:13.3333px">Nor I see substantive=
 references to RFC 6428</span></font></li><li><font color=3D"#000000"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:13.3333px">There&#39;s no operational information speci=
fic to operation of connectivity verification mechanism in container oper, =
but only ones related to operation of continuity check. How MEP reports its=
 state in regard to mis-connection defect (in-defect or out-of-defect)?</sp=
an></font></li><li><font color=3D"#000000"><span style=3D"font-size:13.3333=
px">tlv-address should not be used as tp-address but as MPLS-TP Identifiers=
 per RFC 6370 and RFC 6428.</span></font></li><li><font color=3D"#000000"><=
span style=3D"font-size:13.3333px">FEC is not address of a single Test Poin=
t but group=C2=A0</span></font><span style=3D"color:rgb(82,82,82);font-fami=
ly:arial,helvetica,&quot;helvetica neue&quot;,helveticaneue,&quot;lucida gr=
ande&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:16.25px">of IP packets whi=
ch are forwarded in the same manner, over the same path, and with the same =
forwarding treatment.</span></li><li><span style=3D"color:rgb(82,82,82);fon=
t-family:arial,helvetica,&quot;helvetica neue&quot;,helveticaneue,&quot;luc=
ida grande&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:16.25px">cos-id in g=
rouping cos is of type uint8 though TC filed mentioned as example is only t=
hree bits long. How these are mapped?</span></li><li><span style=3D"color:r=
gb(82,82,82);font-family:arial,helvetica,&quot;helvetica neue&quot;,helveti=
caneue,&quot;lucida grande&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:16.2=
5px">output from traceroute allows only MEP response while in linktrace MIP=
s that belong to the same MA should respond with LTR. LSP Ping does the sam=
e.</span></li></ul></div><div><div><br></div></div><div>Nits:</div><div><ul=
><li>[lime retrieval methods] - looks as meant to be reference but there&#3=
9;s no a document it points to.</li><li>grouping cos still refers to EXP fi=
eld in MPLS-TP even though the field has been renamed Traffic Class (TC) in=
 2009 by RFC 5462</li><li>s/Ma name format/MA name format/</li><li>s/Yang/Y=
ANG/ (several occasions of this)</li><li>in 4. 6 s/Augment/augment/</li><li=
><br></li></ul><div>I cannot support publication of this version of the doc=
ument.</div></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Greg</div></div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 19, 201=
7 at 8:13 AM, Ron Bonica <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rbonica@ju=
niper.net" target=3D"_blank">rbonica@juniper.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Folks,<br>
<br>
This message begins a WGLC on draft-ietf-lime-yang-oam-<wbr>model-08. Pleas=
e submit comments by February 3, 2017.<br>
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Dear Authors, LIME WG Chairs, et.al,
please consider my comments as part of WG LC discussion.

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   3.1 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-03#section-3.1>.
TP Address

   - I think that this topic requires more discussion. In what case, which
      network technology developed at IETF MAC may identify test point?
      - FEC is the most common case among listed. In fact, FEC unlikely
      fits into this list if we understand it as group of IP packets which are
      forwarded in the same manner over the same path, and with the same
      forwarding treatment. In other words, we have the same destination, same
      next hop, egress interface and CoS marking (note that some of these
      parameters may be as wild card).
      - IP Address, whether v4 or v6, does not sufficiently define the Test
      Point and must be associated with the parameter that defines forwarding
      treatment of a test packet addressed to the Test Point, e.g.
DSCP for IP or
      TC for MPLS. True, often CoS parameter is set by default but that doesn't
      exclude it from the list of parameters that define the Test Point
      - I don't know of a case when this is true "a pair of source,
      destination addresses, and interface (Useful for BFD)". Could you please
      elaborate, give an example?
      - "System-id to represent the device or node" Like in Segment
      Routing? Example, reference would be helpful.
   -

   3.2 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-03#section-3.2>.
Tools

   - "performance measurement" As I understand, model of performance
      measurement OAM is outside the scope of this document.
      - I think this section would be the proper place do discuss proactive
      and on-demand OAM tools, give examples of each and how they being used in
      network operations.
   -

   3.3 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-03#section-3.3>.
OAM-layers

   - "each layer has its own OAM protocols"
         - s/protocols/protocol/
         - I think that that is not necessarily the case, e.g. BFD may be
         used in IP/MPLS underlay and L3VPN overlay.
      - "OAM-layers is referred to a list of upper layer, lower layer that
      are related to current test point. This allow users to easily navigate up
      and down to efficiently troubleshoot a connectivity issue at different
      layer."
         - Something is missing in the first sentence.
         - s/this allow/this allows/
         - Connectionless network does not include connection as element of
         its architecture and thus there's no mis-connection defect.
Perhaps you
         were referring to loss of continuity defect here.
      - I don't agree with the proposed use of OAM level. If we consider
      OAM of a service that traverses multiple administrative domains, then
      Service OAM must be at the same level regardless of domain. Service OAM
      would be the outmost top level. Each operator may enable OAM
test points in
      its respective segment so that each of segment would be at the same OAM
      level, e.g. Link OAM at the very bottom with Segment OAM between Service
      and Link OAM levels.
   -

   3.5 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-03#section-3.5>.
Test Point Locations

   - The last sentence is hard to parse and it leaves impression of
      circular reference with the definition of Test Point Location Information
      definition in the previous section.
   - "... data model is made generic enough to allow active, passive and
   hybrid OAMs to do the retrieval"
      - This being mentioned in reference to Path Discovery Data and
      Continuity Check Data. I'd imagine that an OAM mechanism, would it be
      active, passive or hybrid, produces the data but the retrieval
of data done
      using non-OAM protocol, e.g. RPC, gRPC or else.
   -

   3.8 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-03#section-3.8>.
OAM data hierarchy

   - I think that "oper" as name for the container that holds operational
      information is confusing. Could it be extended, more self-explanatory?
      - I there are more than two types of TP (IPv4 or IPv6), e.g.
      System-id, why container *oper* for continuity-check statistics holds
      only for IPv4 and IPv6 types of TP?
      - as-number-location may be part of tp-address, but as identifier of
      a Test Point? Could you please give an example.
      - I believe that connection-oriented-location as part of tp-address
      grouping is not correct.
      - As connectionless network does not use notion of connection, OAM in
      connectioless network does not include tools to conduct connectivity
      verification and to detect mis-connection defect. Hence there's no
      definition of in and out of mis-connection defect for connectionless
      networks.
      - I don't agree with the list of values the 'tp-address-type-value'
      leaf may take. As noted earlier, MAC unlikely to be used as address of a
      test point in connectionless network and so FEC identifier


Nits:

   - cc - is missing from Terminology section
   -  FEC is missing from Terminology section
   - [lime retrieval methods] appears as reference but has no real document
   it points to

I don't support publication of this version.

Regards,
Greg

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On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net> wrote:

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Dear Authors, LIME WG Chairs, <a href=3D"http://et.al" tar=
get=3D"_blank">et.al</a>,<div>please consider my comments as part of WG LC =
discussion.</div><div><ul><li><pre class=3D"m_1882113717292393964m_-9124554=
189860108559gmail-m_2341637594424154371gmail-m_1649649996822509814gmail-new=
page" style=3D"display:inline"><span class=3D"m_1882113717292393964m_-91245=
54189860108559gmail-m_2341637594424154371gmail-m_1649649996822509814gmail-h=
3"><h3 style=3D"display:inline"><a name=3D"m_1882113717292393964_m_-9124554=
189860108559_m_2341637594424154371_m_1649649996822509814_section-3.1" class=
=3D"m_1882113717292393964m_-9124554189860108559gmail-m_2341637594424154371g=
mail-m_1649649996822509814gmail-selflink" href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/ht=
ml/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-03#section-3.1" target=3D"_blank=
">3.1</a>.  TP Address</h3></span></pre></li><ul><li>I think that this topi=
c requires more discussion. In what case, which network technology develope=
d at IETF MAC may identify test point?</li><li>FEC is the most common case =
among listed. In fact, FEC unlikely fits into this list if we understand it=
 as group of IP packets which are forwarded in the same manner over the sam=
e path, and with the same forwarding treatment. In other words, we have the=
 same destination, same next hop, egress interface and CoS marking (note th=
at some of these parameters may be as wild card).</li><li>IP Address, wheth=
er v4 or v6, does not sufficiently define the Test Point and must be associ=
ated with the parameter that defines forwarding treatment of a test packet =
addressed to the Test Point, e.g. DSCP for IP or TC for MPLS. True, often C=
oS parameter is set by default but that doesn&#39;t exclude it from the lis=
t of parameters that define the Test Point</li><li>I don&#39;t know of a ca=
se when this is true &quot;a pair of source, destination addresses, and int=
erface (Useful for BFD)&quot;. Could you please elaborate, give an example?=
</li><li>&quot;System-id to represent the device or node&quot; Like in Segm=
ent Routing? Example, reference would be helpful.</li></ul><li><pre class=
=3D"m_1882113717292393964m_-9124554189860108559gmail-m_2341637594424154371g=
mail-m_1649649996822509814gmail-newpage"><span class=3D"m_18821137172923939=
64m_-9124554189860108559gmail-m_2341637594424154371gmail-m_1649649996822509=
814gmail-h3"><h3><a name=3D"m_1882113717292393964_m_-9124554189860108559_m_=
2341637594424154371_m_1649649996822509814_section-3.2" class=3D"m_188211371=
7292393964m_-9124554189860108559gmail-m_2341637594424154371gmail-m_16496499=
96822509814gmail-selflink" href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l=
ime-yang-connectionless-oam-03#section-3.2" target=3D"_blank">3.2</a>.  Too=
ls</h3></span></pre></li><ul><li>&quot;performance measurement&quot; As I u=
nderstand, model of performance measurement OAM is outside the scope of thi=
s document.</li><li>I think this section would be the proper place do discu=
ss proactive and on-demand OAM tools, give examples of each and how they be=
ing used in network operations.</li></ul><li><pre class=3D"m_18821137172923=
93964m_-9124554189860108559gmail-m_2341637594424154371gmail-m_1649649996822=
509814gmail-newpage"><span class=3D"m_1882113717292393964m_-912455418986010=
8559gmail-m_2341637594424154371gmail-m_1649649996822509814gmail-h3"><h3><a =
name=3D"m_1882113717292393964_m_-9124554189860108559_m_2341637594424154371_=
m_1649649996822509814_section-3.3" class=3D"m_1882113717292393964m_-9124554=
189860108559gmail-m_2341637594424154371gmail-m_1649649996822509814gmail-sel=
flink" href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionl=
ess-oam-03#section-3.3" target=3D"_blank">3.3</a>.  OAM-layers</h3></span><=
/pre></li><ul><li>&quot;each layer has its own OAM protocols&quot;</li><ul>=
<li>s/protocols/protocol/</li><li>I think that that is not necessarily the =
case, e.g. BFD may be used in IP/MPLS underlay and L3VPN overlay.</li></ul>=
<li>&quot;OAM-layers is referred to a list of upper layer, lower layer that=
 are related to current test point.  This allow users to easily navigate up=
 and down to efficiently troubleshoot a connectivity issue at different lay=
er.&quot;</li><ul><li>Something is missing in the first sentence.</li><li>s=
/this allow/this allows/</li><li>Connectionless network does not include co=
nnection as element of its architecture and thus there&#39;s no mis-connect=
ion defect. Perhaps you were referring to loss of continuity defect here.</=
li></ul><li>I don&#39;t agree with the proposed use of OAM level. If we con=
sider OAM of a service that traverses multiple administrative domains, then=
 Service OAM must be at the same level regardless of domain. Service OAM wo=
uld be the outmost top level. Each operator may enable OAM test points in i=
ts respective segment so that each of segment would be at the same OAM leve=
l, e.g. Link OAM at the very bottom with Segment OAM between Service and Li=
nk OAM levels.</li></ul><li><pre class=3D"m_1882113717292393964m_-912455418=
9860108559gmail-m_2341637594424154371gmail-m_1649649996822509814gmail-newpa=
ge"><span class=3D"m_1882113717292393964m_-9124554189860108559gmail-m_23416=
37594424154371gmail-m_1649649996822509814gmail-h3"><h3><a name=3D"m_1882113=
717292393964_m_-9124554189860108559_m_2341637594424154371_m_164964999682250=
9814_section-3.5" class=3D"m_1882113717292393964m_-9124554189860108559gmail=
-m_2341637594424154371gmail-m_1649649996822509814gmail-selflink" href=3D"ht=
tps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-03#sectio=
n-3.5" target=3D"_blank">3.5</a>.  Test Point Locations</h3></span></pre></=
li><ul><li>The last sentence is hard to parse and it leaves impression of c=
ircular reference with the definition of Test Point Location Information de=
finition in the previous section.</li></ul><li>&quot;... data model is made=
 generic enough to allow active, passive and hybrid OAMs to do the retrieva=
l&quot;</li><ul><li>This being mentioned in reference to Path Discovery Dat=
a and Continuity Check Data. I&#39;d imagine that an OAM mechanism, would i=
t be active, passive or hybrid, produces the data but the retrieval of data=
 done using non-OAM protocol, e.g. RPC, gRPC or else.</li></ul><li><pre cla=
ss=3D"m_1882113717292393964m_-9124554189860108559gmail-m_234163759442415437=
1gmail-newpage"><span class=3D"m_1882113717292393964m_-9124554189860108559g=
mail-m_2341637594424154371gmail-h3"><h3><a name=3D"m_1882113717292393964_m_=
-9124554189860108559_m_2341637594424154371_section-3.8" class=3D"m_18821137=
17292393964m_-9124554189860108559gmail-m_2341637594424154371gmail-selflink"=
 href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oa=
m-03#section-3.8" target=3D"_blank">3.8</a>.  OAM data hierarchy</h3></span=
></pre></li><ul><li>I=C2=A0think that &quot;oper&quot; as name for the cont=
ainer that holds operational information is confusing. Could it be extended=
, more self-explanatory?</li><li>I there are more than two types of TP (IPv=
4 or IPv6), e.g. System-id, why container <i>oper</i>=C2=A0for continuity-c=
heck statistics holds only for IPv4 and IPv6 types of TP?</li><li>as-number=
-location may be part of tp-address, but as identifier of a Test Point? Cou=
ld you please give an example.</li><li>I believe that connection-oriented-l=
ocation as part of tp-address grouping is not correct.</li><li>As connectio=
nless network does not use notion of connection, OAM in connectioless netwo=
rk does not include tools to conduct connectivity verification and to detec=
t mis-connection defect. Hence there&#39;s no definition of in and out of m=
is-connection defect for connectionless networks.</li><li>I don&#39;t agree=
 with the list of values the &#39;tp-address-type-value&#39; leaf may take.=
 As noted earlier, MAC unlikely to be used as address of a test point in co=
nnectionless network and so FEC identifier</li></ul></ul></div><div><br></d=
iv><div>Nits:</div><div><ul><li>cc - is missing from Terminology section</l=
i><li>=C2=A0FEC is missing from Terminology section<br></li><li>[lime retri=
eval methods] appears as reference but has no real document it points to</l=
i></ul><div>I don&#39;t support publication of this version.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>Regards,</div><div>Greg</div><ul><li><br></li></ul></div></div><=
div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 19, 20=
17 at 8:12 AM, Ron Bonica <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rbonica@j=
uniper.net" target=3D"_blank">rbonica@juniper.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Folks,<br>
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